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Gamecube Finally Plays GBA Games

ytzombe writes "Gamespot News is reporting that for about 5000 yen an attachment will be available to play GBA games on the Gamecube. The serial port underneath the system will be the gateway to the device and will include a port to enable multiplayer games. This will finally allow me to play the Castlevania games without fusing my naked retina to the screen."

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  1. Metroid Prime by BigBir3d · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A kick ass game (just got it today), and it will be using this feature too.

    1. Re:Metroid Prime by Osty · · Score: 5, Informative

      A kick ass game (just got it today), and it will be using this feature too.

      No, the article is about a way to play GBA games on your NGC sans GBA. Metroid Prime uses the link cable with the GBA to do two things -- beat Metroid Prime and link to Metroid Fusion, and you can play the game using Samus' new Fusion suit. Beat Metroid Fusion and link the two, and you can play the original Metroid on the GameCube. (I may have those reversed on what you have to do to get each, but those are the two things you get.) Since you need to have the Prime disk in the NGC to access these features, and you have to use an emulator disk with this peripheral, I don't believe you're going to be able to connect the NGC back to itself via the GBA link cable. It'd be kinda sweet if you could, but that would mean the peripheral itself would just be a GBA that sits under the cube and hooks into the cube's A/V outputs, which it's not.

    2. Re:Metroid Prime by dimator · · Score: 2

      I just peeled myself away from the game so I can get some homework done... I think I might have to drop out of school this quarter. The game is unbelievable.

      A 3D metroid had all the markings of a poor crossover. However just like Mario and Zelda, Nintendo (& Retro) have shown they know exactly how to cross the 2D/3D barrier without taking away the essence of a classic game.

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    3. Re:Metroid Prime by Viewsonic · · Score: 4, Insightful
      how do you rationalize it playing like crap then? there is no speed or freedom of movement whatsoever. this game is riddled with so many design flaws -- it's unbelievable. it would make a B+ quake clone on the PC, but combined with the completely inadequate precision x/y controls on the gamecube, combat just makes for a button mashing contest.

      This is a troll .. There is full freedom of movement. There is nothing on rails like some XBox fanboys were trying to rumor. It plays at a solid 60fps in full 3D, and it is by FAR the best 1st person controlled game ever. Nintendo & Rare got the controls down so slick. Really, it is insane. You obviously haven't played it, and I will assume you're just upset you got locked out of the XBox Live because your modchip got you canned.

    4. Re:Metroid Prime by edwdig · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's made by Retro Studios, not Rare.

      But yeah, the controls are nice. Especially jumping.

      The people who complain about the controls are people who expect it to be another Halo or GoldenEye. If you play it from the same frame of mind as you would play any other Metroid game, then the controls are perfect. If you play it expecting another Halo, then you'll hate the controls and won't like the game at all.

    5. Re:Metroid Prime by CeruleanSilver · · Score: 3, Informative

      you have to press at least 4 different buttons to force samus to 'look' at something

      Or you can just move the analog joystick in the direction you'd like to look... that always works for me. If you're referring to the manual aiming mode, then yes, you must press the R button and then use the analog stick. I'm not sure where you got 4 from though.

      button mashing contests to shoot monsters first

      Not exactly. Sometimes if there's a horde of beetles or wasps or something, then it does get frantic. But most of the time this is not the case. In fact, most of your time isn't really spent dispatching enemies in a frag-fest like most FPS. It's more like Metroid on the SNES, where you have to take out some creature roaming around on a platform you'd like to jump onto. Exploration and platforming are key to Metroid Prime.

      you cannot look up or down and walk at the same time

      This is true, but it hasn't been a problem for me. The jumping/platforming in Metroid is quite good and not nearly as frustrating as it normally is in a FPS-- probably because it isn't like most FPS.

      just to keep the hideous hud from blinding me

      You can adjust the HUD's opacity in the options menu.

    6. Re:Metroid Prime by GweeDo · · Score: 2

      Metroid Prime doesn't use this feature at all. It uses the GBA->GCN link cable if you have Metroid Fusion for the GBA. If you beet Fusion and link it to Prime you can play the original Metroid on your GCN. If you beat Prime and link with Fusion you can play Prime in the Fusion outfit. This actually won't be possible with this new add-on since you will already have the GBA Emulator GOD in the GCN.

    7. Re:Metroid Prime by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 2

      you still have to hold down a button to look around

      Oh, I see, you haven't mastered the art of being skilled, have you?

      I admit, it took me about 5 hours to really truely get the hang of using the two buttons in conjunction, learning not to press them in all the way (they do different things at different levels, you know...)...

      After I got used to it, I'm absolutely in love with the controls, if not the controller it's self.

      Too many times I've fired off missles accidently while only trying to look at the map -- but that's probably just my big hands wrapped around that little controller. Still, I got used to it and the game plays quite well. I say this having played almost everything worth a shit out there, and being an avid Halo fan.

      letting go will snap your view back to where it started.

      Hint: after looking around with the right trigger, SLIGHTLY press in the left trigger. The screen will lock, and you can move around.

      If you had actually taken time to learn the controls you'd realize this game is absolutely brilliant. But since you're an unskilled sack of shit, you're naturally just pissed off because the game wasn't easy enough for you to play.

      Gamer's now days. They've got no balls, I swear.

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    8. Re:Metroid Prime by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 2

      This is true, but it hasn't been a problem for me.

      You'll be glad to know that it's actually not true. As I said in another post, if you look around with the R button SLIGHTLY press in the left button and let off of the R button, you ccan stay focused in whichever directly you like without having your view snap back. If you let off of the left button it will snap on you. Pressing in on the R button will allow you to make small adjustments.

      The key here is to treat the buttons as ANALOG, try different combinations of pressure levels, you'll find you can actually acheive quite a bit with practice.

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    9. Re:Metroid Prime by GMontag451 · · Score: 2
      I admit, it took me about 5 hours to really truely get the hang of using the two buttons in conjunction, learning not to press them in all the way (they do different things at different levels, you know...)...

      Thats ridiculous, any game that forces you to play it for more than 30 minutes just to get the hang of the controls before you can enjoy it is crap.

      But since you're an unskilled sack of shit, you're naturally just pissed off because the game wasn't easy enough for you to play.

      Complaining because the game isn't easy enough to beat is one thing. If the grandparent had been doing that, then you certainly would have cause to call him an unskilled hack. But complaining about it not being easy enough to play is something completely different. Game designers should *never* increase the difficulty of the game by fubaring the controls. If you can't place the controls in a way that works well and is intuitive, you need to redesign the interface.

    10. Re:Metroid Prime by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 2

      If you can't place the controls in a way that works well and is intuitive, you need to redesign the interface.

      Generally, I would agree with you 100%, but I think I'm not making my point here.

      The controls certainly became more than usable within 30 minutes, but I certainly was still very unsure about certain things in those 30 minutes.

      It was only a little akward at first... I would say it was very cumbersome throughout the entire space-station mission, but by the time the game had actually "Started" and I was down planetside I was very used to the controls.

      Could they have been re-designed? Yes, I think they could have been more Halo-like. Would it have been better? I don't know. Probably not, the point of the matter is that they way they are you can do SO MUCH without having to worry about switching between missiles and beams, jumping, scanning, etc.

      That's just it. You can do SO MUCH AT ONCE now that in the end I think that they control scheme works out better for this type of game, and that's the point everyone needs to be stressing.

      This type of game is NOT intended to be a typical first person shooter. It's a first person platform adventure.

      In that respect, as different as it may be, I would have to say it pulls it off far better than I expected.

      And, I've said this one, and I'll say it again. I have an XBox. I have Halo. I love Halo... and I STILL think this game beats Halo hands down.

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  2. Which in turn means... by writertype · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will run a MAME port, so you can run Super Mario Bros. on a machine that can play Super Mario Advance connected to a machine that can play Super Mario Sunshine. Or maybe I'm the one eating magic mushrooms.

  3. interesting... by frenetic3 · · Score: 5, Funny

    but as far as console addons go, i don't think anything can hold a candle to my trusty Sega 32X for Genesis. man, that was sweet.

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    1. Re:interesting... by nofx_3 · · Score: 5, Funny

      OMG it was you that bought the other 32X. One of my friends had one and tried to call sega for support, but they said they couldn't offer support for it becuase they only sold 2 units. Well at least the sales were better than Virtual Boy, when are they gonna let people play all their virtual boy games on the game cube, though they will have to bring the price down from 7 cents though if they want to sell any of em.

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    2. Re:interesting... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2
      Agreed, I have two virtual boys and three games; Red Alarm, Wario Land, and Mario Tennis. These are the only three games at all worth bothering with; Red Alarm is by far the best, followed by tennis.

      The problem is that Red Alarm is the only one of the three to really use the 3D aspect of the system. It's beneficial in Red Alarm, it's just an annoyance in the others IMO.

      Personally I think the best official addon for a system ever is a tossup between SegaCD (for genesis) and the CD-ROM for the TG16. A strong argument could also be made for the VCD player module for the Sega Saturn, but it impacted too few lives. (They didn't make all that many of them; Some US/English versions exist but they are VERY rare.) TG16 CD games were fantastic; A few of the SegaCD games are quite good, and it really brought some advanced features to a system which didn't do all that much. Sega systems always had more CPU power, but they lacked in bells and whistles. I suppose that makes them easier to code for but then the competitors' systems blow it away anyway. CPU power ain't everything.

      We all know where they screwed up with Saturn and DC, so I guess this comment is over.

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    3. Re:interesting... by TotallyUseless · · Score: 2

      I bought this add-on just for the version of DooM you could get with it. I already had DooM for my computer, but it was so popular with my friends that they ended up getting more playing time than me it seemed like. At the time I was the only person i knew face to face with a computer, so I got the 32x so my friends could play DooM on the sega while I played on the Mac. Eventually (with the help of the 32x and DooM) I was able to convince most of my friends to get computers so we could play together.

      Yes, I love the 32X and hold it in a sacred place in my memory, simply because it was the catalyst for turning my friends onto computing.

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  4. Yaknow... by AsbestosRush · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... games without fusing my naked retina to the screen.

    You really should get that looked at. It can't be heathy.

    Maybe this is only funny becuase it's so late on the East Coast of the US.

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  5. umm... by H0NGK0NGPH00EY · · Score: 5, Funny

    The unit is scheduled to hit stores worldwide in early-to-mid 2003 and is currently scheduled to sell for around 5000 yen, or approximately $41.34.

    Hmm... I think someone isn't quite clear on the use of the word approximately.

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    1. Re:umm... by Sokie · · Score: 2

      Well, since currency exchange rates are constantly fluctuating, the more specific you are, the more approximate you are really. For instance when I just did the conversion it came out to like $40.80. But you're right, they really should have just said "about $40."

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  6. TV Adapter by radon28 · · Score: 5, Informative

    i already bought the GBA "cybernetic upgrade" tv adapter on a trip to hong kong.. it's not licensed by nintendo though, it makes your GBA big and bulky, requires it's own power source, and costs about the same..i just installed it on a second GBA that i had laying around (they're very cheap in asia). look into it if you don't have a gamecube but you are as annoyed with the GBA screen (w/no afterburner) as many other people are.

  7. Lemme get this straight. by Blaede · · Score: 2, Informative

    A $44 attachment for a $70 unit to plug into your $150 console to play $35 games with the quality lesser than that of a 1990 era NES that sells for $20?

    1. Re:Lemme get this straight. by MNJavaGuy · · Score: 5, Informative

      No. This negates the need for a Game Boy Advance completely. It comes with an emulator disc and the hardware part is just a cartridge reader. So, it's a $44 attachment for the $150 console to play games that are around SNES quality (not NES, that was the Game Boy Color)

    2. Re:Lemme get this straight. by tdegruyl · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A $44 attachment for a $70 unit to plug into your $150 console to play $35 games with the quality lesser than that of a 1990 era NES that sells for $20?

      ... priceless
    3. Re:Lemme get this straight. by cscx · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, no, no... the article said 5000 yen. That's like.... um.... 7 cents.

    4. Re:Lemme get this straight. by Kris_J · · Score: 2

      If you want NES games then you have to buy the $20 e-reader adapter for the $44 attachment for the $150 console. But then the games are only $5.

    5. Re:Lemme get this straight. by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      As of Nov 20, 2002 at 7:54 5000 yen is
      $41.34 American Dollars,
      $65.53221 Canadain,
      40.82965 Euros,
      26.00493 Pounds,
      $73.58498 Australian Dollars.

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    6. Re:Lemme get this straight. by TheWickedKingJeremy · · Score: 2

      This negates the need for a Game Boy Advance completely.

      I would not say "completely" --- Keep in mind the most important feature of the GBA is that its portable. ;)

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    7. Re:Lemme get this straight. by GMontag451 · · Score: 2

      No you don't. You just need a Flash Advance Linker and an NES emulator for the GBA. Then the games are free.

  8. Conversion by flatface · · Score: 5, Funny
    5,000 yen =

    $40.85 USD
    $5,000 Canad..Whoops, $64.61 Canadian

  9. wow by outsider007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    An adapter that lets me play sweet retro-looking 16 bit games on my tv *drool*
    - oh wait I can just dust off the snes in the attic!

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    1. Re:wow by Tofuhead · · Score: 2

      Compare the prices of new games for the SNES and the same games for the GBA.

      A new copy of Breath of Fire for SNES will cost you at least $75 (on a good day) on eBay. It's also available for GBA for $30. New system buyers who don't buy old or used stuff just to be "retro" are better served by this adapter. For people who buy used, the SNES is probably the better system to have, but you won't have any new games.

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    2. Re:wow by Tofuhead · · Score: 2

      I already own both. I also like to own my games.

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  10. Afterburner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This will finally allow me to play the Castlevania games without fusing my naked retina to the screen.

    Or, if you're feeling particularly ambitious, you can install Triton Labs' Afterburner lighting kit.

    Sure, you'll have to open up your GBA and do some (very easy) soldering, but if you're reading Slashdot, chances are that you either
    A) Can solder in your sleep
    B) Are smart enough to find someone who can solder if you're not up to the challenge, rather than fuck up your GBA by trying anyway.

    The end result is worth it. Clear visibility in any lighting, even complete darkness! Sure, there's a modest drain on the batteries, but you'd get the same drain using an (inferior) external lighting solution. Plus, you can opt to install the potentiometer (included) to allow you to dim or turn off the light when not needed.

    Sure, you can buy the attachment to play GBA games on the GC, but why? The main reason to buy a Gameboy is portability. If you want to play the games on a large screen, get an emulator.

    1. Re:Afterburner by happystink · · Score: 2

      I'd love to hear from someone who has done this, cause triton's site makes it sound simple as pie.. well not really, but they made it sound okay until I read this on portable monopoly's site: "you've read the horror stories and seen the results of installations done by others " and okay, I'm scared now!

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    2. Re:Afterburner by Kanon · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://www.xyramax.co.uk in the UK will fit one for you or you can buy a GBA from them pre-fitted.

      Best thing I ever did to my GBA.

    3. Re:Afterburner by h0tblack · · Score: 2

      It's a must upgrade IMHO, although there are two caveats. (1) MAJOR you've got too be extremely careful about dust getting in there (2) while the soldering is easy, the proper application of the film and boring out of a hole for the Afterburner in the case is not as straightforward.
      That said, it's a fun little project/upgrade and really makes a huge difference to the GBA.

  11. Re:blah by runenfool · · Score: 2

    Two words: Metroid Prime

  12. Metroid Prime is INCREDIBLE. by Viewsonic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hands down best console game EVER. My jaw was on the ground for the 7 hrs I played it today. If there was EVER a game to buy a single console for, this game is IT. Also, when you win the GBA Metroid Fusion, and link it to the Metroid Prime, you get the ORIGINAL Metroid game unlocked to play on the GameCube. It REALLY looks like Nintendo hit a virtual goldmine with the GBA to GameCube connectivity features. Wait till you see ZELDA in a few months.

    1. Re:Metroid Prime is INCREDIBLE. by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 2

      Metroid Prime IS fucking incredible. I started playing 4pm my time, it's not 2:05am. I just not got around to putting the controller down and picking my jaw up off of the ground.

      Tomorrow, I'm going to go buy a GBA and Metroid Fusion.

      I guess when this thing comes out I won't have to play Metroid Fusion on a wee-tiny little nearly invisible screen, which is fine by me.

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    2. Re:Metroid Prime is INCREDIBLE. by Jayde+Stargunner · · Score: 5, Funny

      Even better... According to my sources, if you grab an NES and plug the ORIGINAL Metroid game into it, you can even play it as well!

      No word if this works with Metroid II or Super Metroid... Hopefully those stealthy code-crackers will figure that one out soon. ;-)

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    3. Re:Metroid Prime is INCREDIBLE. by infiniti99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I haven't played a recent console game in awhile, but the last one that blew me away was Metal Gear Solid for the playstation. The quality of the game at the time was astounding, and put nearly all other playstation games to shame. I never owned a playstation, but I borrowed it from a friend just to play that game. It was much like when Final Fantasy 7 was released, which was the only reason my brother bought a playstation. Simply amazing!

      Hoping you have played MGS and/or FF7 when they were first released, would you consider your initial reaction to Metriod Prime to be similar? If it is really that good, then maybe I should seek out a GameCube for the same reason. :)

      Interestingly, I also bought a DreamCast for only one game: Marvel vs. Capcom 2. Granted, that game is not nearly as cool as any of these other games we are talking about (I mean, come on, it is a fighting game), but it sure is addictive. Considering the arcade scene is pretty competitive down here in Orange County, I've probably spent more hours on MvC2 than any other game ever ...

      Anyone else buy a console for just one game?

    4. Re:Metroid Prime is INCREDIBLE. by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2


      This hack didn't work for me! I plugged the game into the NES and turned the power on but all I got was a blinking screen full of gibberish.

      Maybe I need to blow on the connectors again...?

    5. Re:Metroid Prime is INCREDIBLE. by Moonshadow · · Score: 2
      Anyone else buy a console for just one game?

      Yes. Dreamcast, Soul Calibur.

      Looks like I may have to buy a Cube. Metroid Prime, from what I've played of it, is pure crack-in-a-box.

    6. Re:Metroid Prime is INCREDIBLE. by Nightpaw · · Score: 2

      Try smacking the side of the console with your hand.

    7. Re:Metroid Prime is INCREDIBLE. by Xenographic · · Score: 2

      Well, if all you want is to play the original Metriod, go to consoleclassix.com -- you can play it for free, there :] I just beat it the other day, in fact.

    8. Re:Metroid Prime is INCREDIBLE. by JebusIsLord · · Score: 2

      Aw come on, my 2 favorite games of all time (well before this week with the 2 new metroid games Uhhhhh...) are/were super metroid for the SNES and metal gear solid on the PSX. MGS was so NOT a click-through movie, it was an incredibly suspensefull gaming experience start-to-finish. The wonderfull tv show 24 actually reminds me of it a whole lot as far as emotional reaction.

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  13. Re:blah by MNJavaGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    And just how are they aiming the new Zelda at children? Because of the cel shaded graphics? Have you played the new Zelda? It is honestly a very well made game. The graphics are fluid and the framerate is stable and from what I hear, it promises to be more challenging than most children would be able to take. Don't judge a book by it's cover and don't judge a game by it's graphics. Just because it doesn't look like the realistic, gritty Spaceworld tech demo doesn't mean that it is automatically geared towards children. And since when has Zelda been an adult oriented game? I've found all of them to be a lot of fun for all ages, even the E3 demo of Zelda GC.

    Just my $0.02

  14. It's the godsend for oldschool 2D games on the TV. by Viewsonic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    THAT is why it is being made. People still love the 2D side scrollers like Castlevania, but no developers have had the balls to make any more on an actual 3D based console since Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. Why? I have no idea, SotN sold a LOT of copies, you would have thought Konami would have started doing more 2D based games after that. Same with Nintendo .. But I suppose they dont want to infringe on their GBA market (lol.. )!

  15. Re:woohoo by 1nfern0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ha! master blaster. I love it. Imma got Masturblast now

  16. Cheap alternative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why buy a GBA, GC and GBA to GC adapter (AUS$600+ plus games @ AUS$70 each)when you can pick up a used SNES for AUS$30 and Classic Games for AUS$12 each? All the good games Nintendo have released for GBA are ports/remakes of the greatest games ever! Just plug a SNES into your TV... so easy!

    1. Re:Cheap alternative? by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

      "Why buy a GBA, GC and GBA to GC adapter (AUS$600+ plus games @ AUS$70 each)when you can pick up a used SNES for AUS$30 and Classic Games for AUS$12 each? All the good games Nintendo have released for GBA are ports/remakes of the greatest games ever! Just plug a SNES into your TV... so easy!"

      You mean Metroid Fusion is available for the SNES? And nobody told me!?!? I suppose next you'll tell me that the Zelda: Oracle games were available for the NES as well...

  17. Are you kidding? by Viewsonic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Zelda has ALWAYS looked like a cartoon. Nintendo is doing EXACTLY what true console fanatics want. They are giving us the next generation of THE best console games ever made. And to top it off with a nice cherry, they're giving us a great retro nostaligic kickback to the very cool 2D gaming we all fell in love with on the GameBoy Advance, and now the Adaptor to play them on the TV. If you're REALLY into the console gaming, the stuff Nintendo is doing is HEADS AND TAILS above everyone else. If you look at what Microsoft is doing, its laughable. They're trying to turn CONSOLE GAMING into PC GAMING - If I wanted to play Unreal Tournament on my TV, I would have used my TV OUT on my video card! Talk about ignorant marketing!

    1. Re:Are you kidding? by Viewsonic · · Score: 2
      Hardly, last figures I saw, it was a step ahead of the XBox, and behind the PS2. Over in JAPAN the PS1 is outselling the XBox, maybe that is what you are thinking of... Sales charts can be found at http://www.the-magicbox.com/ .. And everywhere in the world the GBA is leading them all.

      Consider yourself owned bucko.

    2. Re:Are you kidding? by Zico · · Score: 2, Informative

      Time to update your figures, bucko. Xbox has outsold the GameCube by 570,000 units in the US, and by 70,000 just in the last month. The Xbox's Japanese sales might be very shitty, but it has at least outsold the PS One there this year (267,800 to 201,900).


      From NPD's October US numbers at http://mail.chartermi.net/~spartan85/NPD_UBS.pdf:

      Sales of Xbox hardware (239,000 units) were up 38% month over month, as the Sega bundle clearly had a positive impact on sales. GameCube hardware sales (169,000 units) were disappointing, flat from September, as new Nintendo Software ( StarFox, Mario Party 4) did not spur consumers to buy hardware. Game Boy Advance hardware (315,000 units) grew 12% month over month and 8% year over year. Probably offsetting GBA is the fact that PlayStation One sales continue to be inexplicably strong. The system, which sells for $50, saw its hardware unit sales increase 43% to 134,000 units in October. Year-to-date, PlayStation One sales are actually ahead of GameCube (1.45 million versus 1.26 million).

      You were saying?

    3. Re:Are you kidding? by bryanbrunton · · Score: 2


      Fanboy gibberish? His post was informative.

      On the other hand, your waste of space excuse for a post was the true mark of fanboy. If you can't bother participating with facts or well informed opinion then just bugger off.

    4. Re:Are you kidding? by Hrothgar+The+Great · · Score: 2

      i SEE your POINT! You are ABSOLUTELY correct! And you DON'T sound like a complete IDIOT either!

      And I REALLY LOVE the way you CAPITALIZE so many words to get your FANTASTICALLY GROOVY point across!

      I DONT SEE HOW ANYONE CAN RESPOND PROPERLY TO THAT MUCH CAPITALIZATION! I mean, your letters are bigger than theirs! How can they possibly defeat the SHOUT MASTAH?!

  18. Not an unprecedented idea... by Samir+Gupta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The idea of allowing portable games to be played on the big screen is not new. Nintendo has had a device called Super Game Boy which allowed you to play Game Boy games on the Super NES/Famicom. Some Game Boy games even could take advantage of Super Game Boy features such as limited color ability, etc. SEGA also had a handheld system called Game Gear, which had an adapter to allow its games to be played on the Genesis/MegaDrive.

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    1. Re:Not an unprecedented idea... by juggler314 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Forgot to mention the one really great *reverse* system. The Turbographics (turbographix?) portable. That played every system game to full compatibility in full color and full resolution. So far ahead of it's time...poor turbographics. I loved that system, it had far better graphics than anything available at the time.

    2. Re:Not an unprecedented idea... by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 2

      TurboGrafx, and it couldn't play the CD-ROM games. Which the console also first brought to market. By the way, most people have fogotten that system was by NEC, you know the people brought us the Earth Simulator.

      Sega also made a system called the Nomad that played Genesis games but was hand held. It came about pretty late in the life of the Genesis (it has 6 buttons on the controller) and was orginally a Toy-R-Us exclusive.

    3. Re:Not an unprecedented idea... by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 2

      Actually the limited color ability is what the Color Game Boy does exactly with orginal Game Boy and Super Game Boy enhanced games.

      I know of no adaptor to play the Game Gear games on the Genesis/Mega Drive. There was the Master Gear (a 3rd party product) that let you play Master System games on the Game Gear, and the Power Base Converter that let you play the Master System games on the Genesis. But I don't know of the converter that you are talking about. Any links?

    4. Re:Not an unprecedented idea... by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

      "That nobody bought one also astounds me."

      1.) The price tag.

      2.) The fact that it went through batteries so fast that it made the Game Gear's battery life look like that of a GBA.

  19. An alternative to a SNES by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Posts aside about this adapter being the functional equivalent of pulling an SNES out from the closet, the point is there are NEW, addictive games for the GBA that deserve an occaisonal big screen treatment. And it's not like we forget the GBA is portable, you take the game with you when you can't sit in front of the console any longer.

    Here'd be another neat trick, getting the SNES cartridges to work with the GBA with a smart dongle. Then you'd have the full monte.

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    1. Re:An alternative to a SNES by edwdig · · Score: 4, Informative

      The GBA and the SNES are completely different hardware. They're roughly equivalent in power (each has some strongpoints over the other), which is reason they get compared so much.

      I forget the exact model number, but the SNES processor is a 16 bit version of the 6502 (the chip in the NES). The GBA uses an ARM processor (and also has a Z80 in there to run the old GB/GBC games).

    2. Re:An alternative to a SNES by Tofuhead · · Score: 2

      The SNES uses a 65c816, same as an Apple //gs, even clocked the same, IIRC (3.58 MHz).

      Regarding the 65c816, there's an interesting anecdote involving the SNES, the Apple //gs, Mac OS, fabricated accounts of Zip disk intrigue within Nintendo, and legal action against emu coders, but that's a story I've told too many times already. :)

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    3. Re:An alternative to a SNES by Marc2k · · Score: 2

      The SNES uses a 65c816

      ..which is still a processor in the 6502 family.

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    4. Re:An alternative to a SNES by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2

      "They're roughly equivalent in power"

      I have to question this statement. Given that the GBA VDP has features roughly comparable to the SNES ("mode 7" on the GBA has to be simulated, though), and the GBA has a CPU roughly 4 times faster (3.8 mhz vs 16), it seems to me that the GBA is clearly the winner, in terms of raw performance. At least, IMHO.

    5. Re:An alternative to a SNES by edwdig · · Score: 2

      The SNES has much better sound hardware. The GBA uses more CPU power to play sound than the SNES. As you mentioned, the graphics hardware is also a little better on the SNES. So the GBA has more raw CPU power, but the SNES has better supporting hardware. It really depends on the game as to which is better.

  20. Re:Linux on Gamecube? by edwdig · · Score: 2

    Nope, PS2 is 32 megs. Gamecube is 43. 24 meg high speed + 16 meg slower speed + 3 meg video mem.

  21. Re:Linux on Gamecube? by racerx509 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Erm no, it has more ram. It has less than the 64mb in the X-Box, but more than the PS2's 32mb. Its got 40mb total of ram, 16 being "A-memory", 81mhz D-Ram and 24mb of MoSys 1T-Sram. I'm sure it could be made to run Linux, but as of yet, nobody is known to have cracked the disc system. You can see the rest of the specs here.

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  22. Re:Linux on Gamecube? by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

    "Anyone tried it yet?"

    Why would you want to? You see, unlike Xbox, the GameCube is a console that has actual, you know, good games to play on it...

    Ah, console flame wars. Just like the good ol' days on Prodigy and local BBSes. :)

  23. Game Cube Web server then? by CaptCanuk · · Score: 2, Funny

    So if you get this and then use the gameboy advanced web server, that gets you one step closer to a Game Cube Web server, right?
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  24. You got it wrong. There is no "emulator" disc. by Viewsonic · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is a boot disc that makes the Gamecube AWARE of the device, it's more of a device driver, but the actual GBA functionality is all hardware based. Games like Metroid Fusion that can talk to GameCube games will NOT need to have this disc loaded beforehand. The games are aware of the GBA carts in the add-on and can and will read directly from the memory of the GBA game in question. Again, NOTHING is being "emulated" with the Gameboy Player, you will just need to load the device driver disc to play the games beforehand. But you WILL NOT need to use it when using Gamecube games that use GBA linkups because thats already in the Gamecube software itself.

  25. Some quick thoughts... by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It will also feature some form of link cable support for multiplayer gaming.
    You know, the GBA has four controller ports on it, coincidentally the same number the GBA link cable supports...and a TV has enough screen real-estate for four GBA screens. You'd probably have to scale down the resolution a bit, so somegames could start to look rather nasty...but I bet it could be a decent feature for a lot of games.

    The product will also come with a disc, presumably used to boot up the GameCube and prepare it for use with the peripheral.
    LAAAAAAME. Extra hassle is never good, and in this case a user has to put in a disc (which can get lost or broken) and a game pak. Extra steps are never fun.

    The unit will not have full compatibility with the entire back catalog of Nintendo portable software, but no specific incompatibility problems have been announced at this time.
    Double LAME. I would expect the inner-workings of the GB series to be understood well enough to emulate perfectly.

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    1. Re:Some quick thoughts... by edwdig · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Gameboy Advance resolution = 240x160
      Not sure on the original Gameboy, but I'd guess 160x160. So yeah, you could fit 4 GBA screens on TV.

      Nintendo hasn't released enough details to know for sure, but odds are that there's a full Gameboy Advance motherboard in the device. Super Gameboy was basically just a Gameboy motherboard in an SNES cartridge.

      As to games that won't work... Any game that has a tilt sensor in the cartridge won't work. Well, maybe it will, but, i don't think you'd want to subject your GameCube to that torture. It's probably just games like that that have odd cartridges or require additional addons that attach to the Gameboy, and hence wouldn't physically be able to attach to the device.

    2. Re:Some quick thoughts... by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 2

      Double LAME. I would expect the inner-workings of the GB series to be understood well enough to emulate perfectly.

      Not lame at all. There are several Playstation games that still have gliches on the PS2. A handful of games refuse to work at all.

      It's expected, even when systems are SUPPOSED to be fully compatible. Nintendo however won't claim compatibility at any stage before the Game Boy Colour, with good reason. There are literally thousands of Gameboy games out there. Claiming compatability with a game that is almost 15 years old now would be unwise.

      It's best to say that MOST games should work, and leave it at that.

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  26. Re:Linux on Gamecube? by The+Original+Yama · · Score: 2

    How much of that RAM can be used for general data? Unless the RAM is unified (like the 64MB in the Xbox), I don't think you can use the video RAM for anything other than video.

    BTW, the PS2 is 32MB of system RAM + 4MB video + 2MB audio. Remember that next time some weenie proclaims, "the Xbox has twice as much RAM as the PS2!"

  27. It is not emulating.... by Viewsonic · · Score: 2

    The games it will not be compatable with are the VERY early Gameboy games. You know, the 4 color monochrome ones from what? 1989? The same was said when the GBA was released, it wouldnt work with those same games. But you know what? I dont think ANYONE knows of a SINGLE game that hasn't worked on these. It's more of a safeguard if someone digs up "Bobs Whacky Gameboy Adventure" from some 1997 alpha release that got leaked.. The boot disc is a device driver CD so the Gamecube can recognise the hardware and use it. The actual Gamecube games that use GBA game data for extra features will not need this disc loaded beforehand because the Gamecube game itself will have that software built-in already. And really, a tiny 2" boot disc isnt that rough. It's not like its as bad as going to the fridge to get a beer or something! Sheesh...

  28. Region coding? by Tsuzuki · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One thing immediately springs to mind as a PAL gamer who likes Japanese games...

    Since GBA games aren't region-coded and Gamecubes are region-specific, I wonder if this item would limit the region you could play your GBA games in?

    1. Re:Region coding? by edwdig · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'd doubt it, as so far all the GameCube accessories have been region free. Controllers are interchangable, and so are the modem & ethernet adapters. So this probably will be too.

    2. Re:Region coding? by DarkZero · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Since GBA games aren't region-coded and Gamecubes are region-specific, I wonder if this item would limit the region you could play your GBA games in?

      You need to put a GameCube disc into the GameCube to play the games, so it appears that the Japanese Gameboy Player will only work with the Japanese GameCube and the US or European Gameboy Players will only work with US or European Gamecubes (respectively), but once you have a GameCube and Gameboy Player of the same region together, you can play a GBA game from any region.

      Why didn't they just make both the GBA AND the GameCube region free?

    3. Re:Region coding? by MountainLogic · · Score: 2

      Ever heard of NTSC and PAL, pal? When the world can decide on one TV standard you'll see region free consoles games.

    4. Re:Region coding? by blincoln · · Score: 2

      Ever heard of NTSC and PAL, pal? When the world can decide on one TV standard you'll see region free consoles games.

      The video output type has nothing to do with whether a game from another country will run on a given system or not. European Amigas and Sega Genesises can play US games just fine - and vice versa - for example. The only issue that can occur is that if the European version of the game uses the bottom 40-odd lines of vertical resolution, which is of course cropped off on NTSC displays.

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  29. Re:blah by Aexia · · Score: 2

    Nintendo is not growing with the gaming industry, and I don't think that bodes well for their future.

    Are there *any* portable gaming units on the horizon?

  30. Thats exactly it.. Newer 2D games! by Viewsonic · · Score: 2

    Including the *4* Zeldas, and 2 more on the way. ANOTHER Metroid coming. Possibly another Kid Ikarus! A new Contra just came out. And A BUNCH OF FINAL FANTASY GAMES. You wont be seeing ANY of those on the SNES.

  31. Re:Linux on Gamecube? by edwdig · · Score: 2

    40MB of the Gamecube RAM can be used for anything. The 16MB part is technically considered audio RAM, but can be used for anything. It is slower than the other 24MB, so you probably won't want to put commonly used textures there, but it should be fine for the majority of the game data.

  32. Why Don't You Try... by krmt · · Score: 2
    This will finally allow me to play the Castlevania games without fusing my naked retina to the screen.
    You know, there's always emulation. It might not be your TV, but it's free and it's there.
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  33. GBA a bit underpowered....but still holding on by CodePyro · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You know what I noticed about GBA and just Nintendo games in general, they might not have the best graphics or the latest type of shading and lighting but they are addictive and fun. For Example for me its SUPER MARIO CART....I can't get enough of that game. Even Mario, I thought I'd get tired of him by now but once I started playing I am just as much addicted now as I was 10 years ago with Super Mario Brothers on Nintendo.

    1. Re:GBA a bit underpowered....but still holding on by gamgee5273 · · Score: 2
      ...they might not have the best graphics...

      Dude, you have got to play Pikmin. The graphics in there! The water, just as an example, is amazing...just simply amazing. I find it even better than the water in Super Mario Sunshine...

    2. Re:GBA a bit underpowered....but still holding on by gamgee5273 · · Score: 2

      I second that opinion - SA is a strong game, and a good swan song for Rare, now that it's been swallowed by M$ and will probably lose its identity much the way Bungie did...

  34. Kinda off and kinda on topic by forgoil · · Score: 3, Interesting

    5000 Yen. Spiffy and nice, but I am not good at currency conversion. This is just a dream, but I would love to see this:

    5000

    And then let the browser do the job. Either let it be, translate it to my choice, or give me both the original and in my choice in paranthesis.

    Would be pretty simple, really, as long as you can grab a conversion table from somewhere.

    1. Re:Kinda off and kinda on topic by TheWickedKingJeremy · · Score: 2

      This is just a dream, but I would love to see this: 5000 And then let the browser do the job. Either let it be, translate it to my choice, or give me both the original and in my choice in paranthesis.

      It would be vital to somehow let the browser know which values are currency related and which are not... Otherwise, statements such as "Wilt Chamberlain slept with 5000 women" might be converted to a much less impressive American dollar result. - Wilt would be pissed.

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    2. Re:Kinda off and kinda on topic by forgoil · · Score: 2

      Or it would be a good idea to not forget that the slashcode removes my faked HTML so the point of my whole argument died away ;)

      so |money currency="yen"| 5000 |/money| (| represents ) would a whole lot more sense.

  35. Re:blah by Maul · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Nintendo is not growing with the gaming industry?
    Why? Because they release an GBA adaptor to play good 2D games on your TV? Because they still make great games that are fun for both youngsters and adults?

    What should Nintendo be doing? Should Miyamoto ditch his emphasis on gameplay and enjoyability and instead fill his games with T&A or tons of blood? I don't think so.

    It is quite obvious that Miyamoto could make a better game with an abacus than Microsoft can with an X-Box.

    The new Zelda looks 100% sweet. It is definately done in the tradition of the original NES Zelda:
    A fun game set in a fantasy world that will captivate both children and adults. I don't see anything wrong with that approach at all. The cell shaded animation looks great, IMHO.

    The Game Cube may not be doing the best in sales, but it and the GameBoy Advance has the most enjoyable games out there.

    As for me and Link, we will be doing some serious princess rescuing this upcoming spring.

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  36. Someone hasn't played them... by Arcaeris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "This will finally allow me to play the Castlevania games without fusing my naked retina to the screen"

    If you bothered to pick up Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance, you'd see that Konami has put some things in the game to combat the lack of backlighting. Large characters/monsters, some bright colors, lighting effects, spell effects that center on the character, and even Juste's "blue-shadow" all contribute a lot to making the game very playable when other games on the sustem aren't.

    You still need decent light, but it's not a total eye-strainer. You can even play Harmony of Dissonance well in moderate indoor lighting, which is a feat on the GBA.

    Still, I'd like to see it on a TV. That'd hopefully fix some issues with the crappy sound (which few people seem to bitch about, but which sucks).

  37. get excited, this is great by nsda's_deviant · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i don't see why more people are excited about this, asuming your a nintendo nut you probablly already won a gamecube and possiblly a GBA. this device is awesome cause i can play castlevania, old schoool mario and even the great metal gear on my wega in pretty damn good comfort. i dont think the device was ever ment for the mass audience because not everyone gets tingly seeing castlevania post 2000. the little things like this really are things you really dont see in the industry all the time

  38. Re:What the Hell is a GBA? by The+Original+Yama · · Score: 2

    No, I was right. A contraction is a shortened word or words formed from omitting or combining some of the letters or sounds. An abbreviation is simply a shortened form of a word or phrase. So "GBA" is an abbreviation because it isn't pronounced as a word (you could pronounce it as a word, but it'd sound pretty silly).

  39. That's kind of confusing by NetGyver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To my understanding (correct me if i'm wrong) but doesn't the gameboy double as a controller when hooked up to the gamecube?

    If so, then why didn't they build that functionality into the system to begin with? The gameboy already has a connection to the system, how hard would it have to have the gamecube access the gamboy game and pipe it through the GC and out to the tv?

    Maybe it has something to do with it going over a controller port. In any case it would have been a neat feature to add if they thought about this ahead of time and could get it to work right.

    Otherwise this is nothing new. The SNES had a cart/adapter which allowed you to play old gameboy games on your SNES.

    Personally i never saw the point, except it's easier on the eyes which doesn't seem to justify the cost of buying one. I couldn't see people buying this adapter and buy gameboy games without a gameboy either. But hey, options options options!

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    1. Re:That's kind of confusing by palo0019 · · Score: 2

      The GBA's link cable is SLOW. It's not designed to transfer more than a few hundred KB, not 8MB roms.

      Also, it's a lot eaiser to just put the GBA hardware sans LCD in a box and plug it into the GC than writing an emulator that is sure to play 100% of all GB, GBC, and GBA games perfectly.

    2. Re:That's kind of confusing by Babbster · · Score: 2

      I should note here that the word from Nintendo is that the device will not play all Gameboy games - some early ones are apparently left out in the cold.

    3. Re:That's kind of confusing by gamgee5273 · · Score: 2
      I think they did think it out, and the argument that sending 8MB ROMs is important.

      Nintendo, however, did do almost exactly that in Pokemon Stadium on the N64. With Pokemon Stadium (N64 cart), the included Transfer Pak for the N64 controller, and either Pokemon Red, Blue or Yellow (GBC carts), you could plug the GBC cart into the Pak and play it - it actually convinced me to buy Stadium & Yellow (don't laugh, Pokemon games are fun).

      So, Nintendo has the adapter experience from the SNES and the "push" technology from the N64. After seeing how difficult, I think, it was to push the ROM over the controller for the N64, they decided to go back to the adapter solution.

      Considering that I have multiplayer games for my GBA that my wife likes, but she doesn't see the justifcation to buy a (second for the household) GBA she would rarely use, this makes sense for us. I can play my GBA games on the road and she can play the ones I leave when I'm traveling and we can play the multiplayer games without another GBA and I don't need to use up batteries, or move furniture to reach an outlet for the GBA power adapter, when I want to play at home.

      I'm sold.

  40. Metroid Prime by ctar · · Score: 2

    Shouldn't THAT be the big news? That Metroid Prime is released today, Nov. 20th? One of the most anticipated console games ever?!?!

  41. Re:What the Hell is a GBA? by Nastard · · Score: 2

    While on the subject, I recall some Nintendo fanboy reaction over using "GCN" (GameCube Nintendo) as the acronym for the Nintendo GameCube instead of the slightly more obvious "NGC". Obviously, this was done to provide a uniform acronym system compliant with the standard set by the GameBoy Advance (GBA), and to show emphasis on that first word, "Game".

    I always thought that the fanboy backlash was silly, and that Nintendo should abbreviate the name of the Nintendo GameCube the most logical way, and simply refer to it as the NiGaCube.

  42. Re:blah by gl4ss · · Score: 2

    just few weeks ago there were pics of next gen gameboy's. looked veeeeeeeerry spiffy.

    but i don't see point in bringing them over yet. the original gb sold for, what, 10 years?

    gba's got lot of juice and gamebase to suck from(snes) to go for couple of years imho.

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  43. Correction: by fireboy1919 · · Score: 2

    I've always been rather partial to Crystalis(NES) as the best console game ever made, with Chronotrigger(SNES) in close second.

    All Zelda games I would rate a distant third, behind all Final Fantasy games. (Except Zelda 2, which is on my list of "What the heck where they thinking?" games, right next to Super Mario 2).

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  44. Re:What the Hell is a GBA? by The+Original+Yama · · Score: 2

    A Niga Cube? Yeah, it's called a gaol cell!

    NOTE: This is intended to be only a joke, I mean no offence whatsoever. In fact, I am black myself.

    But seriously, what's wrong with just calling it a GameCube? Everyone knows it is made by Nintendo. How often do you see somebody say/write "MS Xbox" or "Sony PS2"? Almost never -- there's no need to.

  45. Have you actually played one? by starX · · Score: 3, Informative

    games with the quality lesser than that of a 1990 era NES

    If you can say that with any degree of seriousness my guess is the answer is no. The graphics are most definitely comparable to a mid-1990s SNES, the 16 bit one, not the NES (the 8 bit).

    Besides, I think you're missing the point entirely; far too many modern games suck because they over-emphasize the importance of graphics. I'll take the old Final Fantasy games for the SNES over the newer ones any day for the simple reason that they were more fun. The graphics were usually pretty simple, but the story and game play were always unbeatable, and GBA has done a bit to bring that sort of game play back

  46. No doubt! by 13Echo · · Score: 2

    I picked up a Platinum Gamecube with Metroid Prime (and a used memory card) last night for only $202.

    One of the most polished games that I have played for years. I can't believe that the little GameCube is capable of such breathtaking graphics.

    Make no mistake... This is Metroid. Everything about it is Metroid, only in 3D. It is the most perfect transistion that I have ever seen a 2D platformer make. And there is *so much* story here too. It isn't an all-out frag fest like most FPS games. It is about exploration and puzzles. I think that the monsters are only in there to keep you on your toes.

    This is a platform/aventure game in the first person. It is the perfect way to resurrect a series that many of us started playing about 15 years ago.

    1. Re:No doubt! by BigBir3d · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I doubt I have ever read a /. comment/reply that I have agreed with more.

      MP is the perfect transition from 2D to 3D.

      I love the action of games like Quake3, but playing MP last night I remembered why the old school Nintendo games (Metroid, Zelda etc) were/are so addicting; you need to use your brain to figure stuff out. They are not just spray and pray games.

      That is why I decided on the GC instead of PS2 or the XBOX, playable games. MP was the hook though, as were Madden 2002/2003 to a lesser degree.

  47. Re:blah by Schnapple · · Score: 2
    The Game Cube may not be doing the best in sales
    Yeah but its still outdoing Microsoft's Xbox.

    Plus this is Slashdot, aren't we supposed to be anti-MS? And anti-Sony?

  48. Cheaper than TV out by yerricde · · Score: 2

    Why not try an emulator instead

    Because this $40 GBA adapter seems cheaper than $200 PC video card with TV out or a $500 21-inch VGA monitor.

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    1. Re:Cheaper than TV out by outsider007 · · Score: 2

      Bah, I got a decent geforce2 w/tv-out card for my pc on ebay a year ago for $50. the hard part is cramming a gc controller into your game port.

      btw, there's nothing illegal about emulating games that you already own, and nothing morally wrtong with using a gba emulator to demo games that you're considering buying. I bought 3 gba games because I liked the way they played on my emulator, but naturally it's not the same when your pixels are 2"x2"

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    2. Re:Cheaper than TV out by GMontag451 · · Score: 2
      btw, there's nothing illegal about emulating games that you already own,

      Its only legal if two things are true. One, that you personally backed up the game with a flash advance linker, rather than downloading it from a ROMs site, and two, that Nintendo's EULA stating backups are illegal period doesn't hold up in court.

      Whether or not its morally wrong is a different question though.

  49. (Obligatory) Penny Arcade Link by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 2
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  50. $41.10 in american cash by flogger · · Score: 2
    It is also:
    • 73.61 Australlian Dollars
    • 25.88 British Pounds
    • 40.67 Euros

    Feel free to use this.
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  51. Emulate carts you own with RIAA v Diamond by yerricde · · Score: 3, Informative

    I also like to own my games.

    Then only dump the cartridges that you have purchased. Format-shifting of non-encrypted media such as GBA games is your right under the RIAA v. Diamond precedent.

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    1. Re:Emulate carts you own with RIAA v Diamond by Tofuhead · · Score: 2

      No. To me it would be pointless to do that; I'd already have the game.

      I download whatever I want. ROMs are like previews to me; if I like the game, I'll keep the ROM and buy the game. If not, there's no reason for me to keep the ROM on my disk anyway. Emulation for me is like a free game rental store. It's the same way with MP3s and file-sharing progs, too. I treat Gnutella as one big 24-hour all-request radio station.

      For all that time that I have ROMs in my posession but don't yet own the game, I'm infringing copyright. I sleep well at night, regardless. :)

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  52. Re:Zelda by tgibbs · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Nintendo's decision to aim the new Zelda game at young children cost them at least one Gamecube sale: mine.

    This is pretty ridiculous. Zelda has always been a "kids of all ages" series. Personally, I like the new look (which actually is more in the spirit of the original series than the rather generic look of the N64 Zelda games).

    I think Nintendo's business model is stronger than ever. There are always going to be kids, and Nintendo is the only company that seems to have found the formula for producing games that appeal to kids as well as to many adults. The only difference is that they have broadened their focus to accept a few of the best teen game, like Resident Evil.

  53. Video cards are expensive by yerricde · · Score: 3, Informative

    Buy a Gravis gamepad an a video card that supports video out.

    Let's see... Can you get a good gamepad (the Gravis GamePad Pro USB is too touchy on the SE diagonal), a video card with TV-out, and a $30 PC link cable for under $40? thought so.

    Even if you don't have a Cube, it's difficult to squeeze a good gamepad, a video card with TV-out and 3D acceleration, and a PC link cable for $190 ($150 for Cube and $40 for wideboy).

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  54. Format-shifting is not a crime by yerricde · · Score: 2

    So the GC-Cube adapter will let them play games like Mario Advance leagally without having to get a GameBoy Advance or violating copyright law.

    To play Super Mario Advance lawfully, you can buy Super Mario Advance and then

    • buy a GBA and run it in your GBA
    • buy a Cube and a wideboy and run it in the wideboy
    • buy a "flash advance linker", put the game in your flash advance linker, copy it to the PC, and run it in VisualBoyAdvance (format-shifting, a right affirmed in RIAA v. Diamond)
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  55. NOT a serial port add-on! by Frag-A-Muffin · · Score: 2

    The serial port underneath the system will be the gateway to the device and will include a port to enable multiplayer games.

    NB: Emphasis on serial port was added by me

    If you look at the unit, you can see that it most likely plugs into the high speed port and NOT the serial port. Which would also mean it would allow you to keep that broadbad adaptor in there. Smart and beautiful design if you ask me.

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  56. IIGS was inferior by yerricde · · Score: 2

    The SNES uses a 65c816, same as an Apple //gs, even clocked the same, IIRC (3.58 MHz).

    The IIGS's processor was clocked at 2.8 MHz. The Super NES ran at 3.6 MHz. The IIGS had only a dumb frame buffer for graphics. The Super NES had three layers of scrollable tiles or one layer of mode 7 plus sprites.

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  57. Re:GBA == Super NES with overclocked Super FX by starX · · Score: 2

    Only because you sucked ;-)

    Note that I said the game play, and not the games themselves were what was tops at the time, and in my mind remains untouched today. Ever since we started to be able to create "realistic" 3d environs, games seem to be overly focused on creating these environments. It just seems to me that at that time, developers were trying to craft a better game, and it was really cool when they could milk their hardware for all it was worth. IMHO, those days were the golden age of gameing and game development.

    Then again, thatwas when I was a kid with almost unlimited amounts of disposeable time, and I'm sure my father thinks the same thing about pinball and early arcade machines :)

  58. GBA sound by yerricde · · Score: 2

    The rest of the system is (comparatively) great but, the sound is the one reason why I refuse to buy it. my little nephew has one and the sound is just the same as the GB/C.

    Most GBA games use the stereo 8-bit sound channels, which have a similar programming model to the Sound Blaster Pro. Some GBA games such as Pinobee and Doom use only the "legacy" GBC sound channels because it takes some serious CPU power to be able to mix eight channels at 18 kHz, and some CPU-intensive graphics engines don't leave much CPU to spare. Some games, such as TOD and Mario Kart Super Circuit, use both.

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  59. Loading... by yerricde · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why the heck couldn't they stick a freakin' CD/DVD in the N64?

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    For one thing, N64 came out in 1996 and DVD Video came out in 1997 or so.

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    For another, loading on the PlayStation takes up to 15 seconds or more, and Miyamoto claimed that such delays would kill the flow of a game. Note that "Super Smash Bros. Melee" for GCN never loads for longer than 4 seconds.

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    Third, Nintendo didn't yet see how a CD-ROM could improve game play, given how bad the FMV games for Sega CD and 3DO were.

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    1. Re:Loading... by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 2

      You forgot...

      Please Wait... Loading...

      (Add pretty animated line to truely drive in exactly how long this truely is taking...)

      (any doubts, see Grand Theft Auto 3 or Vice) ...

      Grand Theft Auto 3: Vice starts off very quickly with an animation that looks like the screen of a C64...

      The guy types

      LOAD "VICE CITY"

      then you see

      PRESS PLAY ON TAPE

      Then the game begins to load. ...

      This is all a lie of cource.

      The C64 would have loaded it faster.

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  60. What the Atari Lynx lacked by yerricde · · Score: 2

    the atari lynx had backlighting over 10 years ago

    And a display resolution of only 160x100 pixels. That's twice as coarse as the display mode used for the original Doom for PC.

    And a small library, due in part to the lack of an Atari 2600 adapter.

    And no mascot. Mascot games sell. The Game Boy had Mario and Mega Man; the Game Gear had Sonic; the Lynx had what?

    That's why the Lynx failed in the market.

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  61. Because of non-worldwide franchise licensing by yerricde · · Score: 2

    Why didn't they just make both the GBA AND the GameCube region free?

    Because it's much more difficult or sometimes impossible to secure "worldwide" rights to trademarked and copyrighted worlds and characters, or the royalty situation varies widely from country to country. For instance, if Disney commissions a game based on "Return to Never Land", Disney will have to pay royalties to Great Ormond Street Hospital (the copyright owner of Peter Pan, which is PD in USA but under perpetual copyright in the UK) for every region P (Europe) disc sold, just as it has to for the DVD of the movie.

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    1. Re:Because of non-worldwide franchise licensing by DarkZero · · Score: 2

      That does not answer why one gaming platform would be region free and another from the same company would have region lockouts. It explains the reasoning for region lockouts in the first place, but not the reasoning for the inconsistency.

  62. TV standards by yerricde · · Score: 2, Informative

    Controllers are interchangable, and so are the modem & ethernet adapters.

    Controllers and network adapters have nothing to do with the video. The GBA video runs at 59.7275 Hz, which can probably be mapped nearly frame-to-frame with the 59.94 Hz NTSC system of the USA and Japan and the 60 Hz PAL system of Brazil. On the other hand, Europe uses a 50 Hz PAL system.

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  63. New GB Zelda by kmhebert · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, I saw a commercial for the new Zelda prior to Harry Potter II in the theater this weekend. It's unbelievable. Just like playing a cartoon. On the other hand, when it comes to a Miyamoto game, it could be "Super Mario's Roadside Sobriety Test" and I'd still get it and probably love it. I also have PS2 and while there are certainly some incredible games on that platfor (GTA: VC and Kingdom Hearts JUST for starters), I will continue to buy Nintendo consoles because they have a monopoly on ALL new Shigeru Miyamoto games. That guy hasn't had a flop since Donkey Kong Jr. Math, I have never regretted purchasing a Miyamoto game.

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  64. Actually, you are missing one point. by LordZardoz · · Score: 2

    First, let me state that I am very much a Nintento Loyalist. I own a Game Cube, and I love the system.

    The problem is not the playability of the games available on the GameCube. Every one of the Cube games that I have purchased has been very entertaining and legitimately difficult. However, almost none of those games are geared for a more mature gaming audience.

    Here is an example. Super Monkey Ball 2 is a very difficult game to beat, and is totally addictive (Monkey Ball 1 is has this going for it also). However, I cannot stand to play that game's story mode, as the FMV's seem geared towards moronic 3 year olds. With the Cube, its like having a huge amount of 'G' rated movies to choose from, but almost no 'R' rated movies. As good a movie as Harry Potter may be, I would much rather watch Red Dragon.

    As much as I like my game cube, I have to look very hard to find games for it that can satisfy my blood lust.

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  65. Re:Nintendo... by edwdig · · Score: 2

    They aren't using the GBA as a controller. It's not going to be required. It's just going to provide some added bonuses for people who have both.

  66. You got it backwards by Guppy06 · · Score: 3, Informative

    "SEGA also had a handheld system called Game Gear, which had an adapter to allow its games to be played on the Genesis/MegaDrive."

    No, they had an adapter to let you play Master System games on the Game Gear. AFAIK, there is no Super Game Boy equivalent for the Genesis.

    On the other hand, Nintendo released a "Super Game Boy 2" in Japan for the Super Famicom. Just like the original only with a game link port. It was released a little after Pokemon (go figure).

  67. Re:Nintendo... by gamgee5273 · · Score: 2

    Dude...losing Squarsoft? You have got to check out the latest Nintendo line-ups, then, because you aren't up on the news. There are two or three Final Fantasy games on the plate for the GC and the GBA - with more to come.

  68. Re:It is NOT free. It is piracy. by krmt · · Score: 2

    I'd just like to confirm that I do, in fact own a GBA (and the aforementioned Castlevania game), and while I don't play it emulated I wouldn't feel the least bit of guilt if I did.

    As a side note, one can also use emulation to try out new games for yourself before you buy them. I played dodge ball on my friend's GBA emulator, and am planning to get it soon. Just one of those little things.

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  69. Two video cards in one computer? by yerricde · · Score: 2

    Bah, I got a decent geforce2 w/tv-out card for my pc on ebay a year ago for $50.

    Which means that if you want to change from playing your game on a TV to playing a game that requires a more advanced video card, you have to shut down your computer, open the case, take your TV out card out, put in your Geforce 4, close the case, turn on your computer, play your game, shut down your computer, open the case, take your Geforce 4 out, put in your TV out card, close the case, turn on your computer, and turn your computer back on. That is, unless your computer has two AGP ports.

    the hard part is cramming a gc controller into your game port.

    That's already been done well for Super NES controllers and N64 controllers. Both have enough buttons for GBA games.

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    1. Re:Two video cards in one computer? by outsider007 · · Score: 2

      A geforce4 with tv-out costs $71

      Does that mean tv-out costs $71? no, because you can get a tv-out capable card for much less. the $71 is for the gf4.

      and yes I know you can find controller adapters, but it will likely cost more than the tv-out. that was the point.

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  70. Re:blah by Daetrin · · Score: 2
    I played it at E3, and was too distracted by the crappy graphics to pay much attention to the gameplay. From what i could tell though it was very like Ocarina of Time, which i didn't really like the gameplay of. So i'm guessing that even if i get over the weird graphics, it will be a mediocre game at best for me. (Got about halfway through ToOT before giving up cause it just wasn't that fun.)

    However the GBA Zelda looks awesome! I'm hoping it will be as in depth as Link to the Past, which is still fun to go back and play.

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  71. Found the Problem by Kaz+Riprock · · Score: 2

    without fusing my naked retina to the screen

    Well, there is your problem right there. Since it's not backlit, if you fuse your retina to the screen, you're blocking all the reflective light from getting to the GBA. No wonder you can't see anything on the screen.

    Or, you could just buy one of these case mods.

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  72. Re:Scan eighty cards for SMB3? by Kris_J · · Score: 2
    I wonder how long it will take before one of the developers builds a fast load boot block that provides better (or some?) compression and then allows the games to fit on fewer cards.

    Or perhaps "widescreen" cards will be printed that are 50% longer so there's not as much swiping...

    Plenty of room for innovation.

  73. Re:Nintendo... by gamgee5273 · · Score: 2

    True. But there is a lack of a lot of games for the N64 - Square's not the only one.

  74. Re:blah by duren686 · · Score: 2

    No, no, Sony's fine. they have Linux officially on their system, remember? The fact that they own more of the console gaming world than all of their competitors combined does not warrant hatred since they're not Micro"dollar sign"oft.

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