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FreeBSD 5.0-RC1 Now Available
Dan writes "Murray Stokely of FreeBSD release engineering team announces that they're one milestone closer with the immediate availability of FreeBSD first release candidate for the i386, alpha, sparc64, and ia64 platforms. ISO images and FTP installation directories are available now from the FreeBSD FTP site."
*BSD Lives Forever!
Murray Stokely of FreeBSD release engineering team announces that they're one milestone closer with the immediate availability of FreeBSD first release candidate for the i386, alpha, sparc64, and ia64 platforms.
So what are you saying here? That FreeBSD has never been released before?
But does it run Linux?
BSD IS DYING
more info at goatse.cx
FreeBSD releases you!
Look it moves... It must be alive!
5.0 really cute sorority girls are now available.
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If it's available of course.
Thanks in advance.
great, I just installed 4.7 last night...
try looking for yourself at freebsd.org maybe?
it's just a thought
...because those Linux folks started to get to culty--kinda like the Mac people.
Wasn't it released this summer?
I remember downloading a 5.0 ISO and I am sure it was RC1, but then again I might be wrong.
I have 4.6 running in our office, never had any problems, but with all the talk of the improvements, I'm tempted to upgrade.
Is this stuff ready for "prime time?"
Location: Mt. Xinu
Here's a direct link to the pertinent section. It details kernel, userland, and security updates that have gone into the 5.0 tree of FreeBSD.
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BSD is dead?
BSD sux, Linux rocks!
"I switched to FreeBSD and was amazed..."
"I tried FreeBSD and it sucked..."
"Not to troll, but why should I use FreeBSD instead of Linux"
FreeBSD and SMP sucks!
"In Soviet Russia, the RC1 releases YOU!"
"BSD != DEAD"
So you se my friends, no need to post further! Thank you, come again.
and 802.11b cards, and Arcnet. Due to lack of these drivers I replaced my FreeBSD 4.6 Server with RedHat, despite its higher stability and software availability (no qmail, courier imap, proftpd for redhat).
I bought an Olicom 3140 PCI TR card just for FreeBSD and hooked it up. Made the whole server very unstable with uptimes of less than two weeks a pop. Plus the lousy kernel error messages.. TR support is alpha in both 4.6 and 4.7 and I wouldnt recommend it for any use at all.
Hope also that FreeBSD will soon enough shoot for a journalled filesystem; hopefully one of the already stable ones like XFS. FreeBSD is lagging behind the Linux trailblazer in features, and despite its stability, people are choosing Linux simply because FreeBSD's options are really limiting.
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
cunts. all of you.
fucking go to hell, i hate you.
so much
no, really
Isn't it great how people can release things for hardware you wouldn't even know how to buy if you wanted to. I've often wondered how elements like the FreeBSD team and Linux get people interested in doing these things. Its not like an "itch you need to scratch" because you don't even have the body part to have the itch on!
An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
Have they fixed all the performance/stability problems yet?
or does it?
I mean decent ones?
Look at the title on the link you provided. FreeBSD/i386 5.0DP2 Release Notes. Meh.
I for one am very glad to hear about this.
This release promises a whole new freebsd kernel. I hope it brings them success. Congratulations on the hard work guys.
"If a show of teeth is not enough, bite
Should be basically the same as RC1 though considering DP2 and RC1 are basically the same set of code just with a different name.
SMPng: The next generation support for SMP machines (work in progress). There is now partial support for multiple processors to be running in the kernel at the same time.
KSE: Kernel Scheduled Entities allow a single process to have multiple kernel-level threads, similar to Scheduler Activations.
New architectures: Support for the sparc64 and ia64 architectures, in addition to the i386, pc98, and alpha.
GCC: The compiler toolchain is now based on GCC 3. X , rather than GCC 2.95. X .
MAC: Support for extensible, loadable Mandatory Access Control policies.
GEOM: A flexible framework for transformations of disk I/O requests. An experimental disk encryption facility has been developed based on GEOM.
FFS: The FFS filesystem now supports background fsck (8) operations (for faster crash recovery) and filesystem snapshots.
UFS2: A new UFS2 on-disk format has been added, which supports extended per-file attributes and larger file sizes.
Cardbus: Support for Cardbus devices.
was the adoption of a new method naming scheme in the kernel. Now all functions are in hungarian notation for extra speed. If you look at the page scheduler code and squint you can just barely make out an image of Bill Joy creating intellegent killer robots that will destroy the world.
Why isn't this posted in the BeOS section? Turnabout is fair play.
How does this make it to the front page? I think its fairly obvious that BSD is dead and only the die hard cultists still clench their fists at switching to a better OS.
A major improvement in FreeBSD 5.x over 4.x is the new modular init. Instead of one monolithic script (classical BSD) or several scripts in a symlink farm with manual sorting and dependency resolution (SysV / Debian, RedHat, SuSE...), it uses an internal automatic sorting and dependency resolution comparable to apt-get or modprobe on GNU/Linux. I would like to see mainstream adoption of this in the GNU/Linux world of this. To date, Gentoo Linux is the only distribution offering and supporting this excellent feature.
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GBDE ROCKS!
BSD = Bravely Sucking Dick. iow, a perfect article for that faggot michael. y'know, i'm really surprised that fucking homowhore boy hasn't been dragged into an alley and castrated. i mean, after all the young boys he's raped, he deserves it. fucking faggot pedophile!
02-12-09 14:33 BSD: FreeBSD 5.0-RC1 Now Available
My monitor sometimes thinks it is a crystal ball; using it I can predict future /. headlines. Here goes:
03-01-06 9:25 BSD: FreeBSD 5.0-RC2 Now Available
03-01-14 9:25 BSD: FreeBSD 5.0-RC3 Now Available
03-01-25 9:25 BSD: FreeBSD 5.0-RC4 Now Available
03-02-02 9:25 BSD: FreeBSD 5.0-RC5 Now Available
03-02-17 9:25 BSD: FreeBSD 5.0 Released
03-02-19 9:25 BSD: FreeBSD 5.0.1 Released
Funny thing though, apart from the different version numbers the discussion is always exactly the same...
Wenn ist das Nunstueck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput.
Why did they bother releasing a port to IA64? Don't they know that IA64 is dying?
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
I just heard the sad news on talk radio. FreeBSD was found dead this morning. There were no further details. Dilletante-dabbler troll hobbyists miss it very much.
I find it a way more interesting to realize that the _FABULOUS_ MPlayer hackers have released MPlayer 0.90 RC1 and guess what - ALL CODECS ON THE PLANET ARE SUPPORTED! Way to go! You guys are the best!
is that stupid-looking devil guy.
Real OS's shouldn't need cartoon character mascots.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
Vinum has not been mantained at a high level for some time and I have heard that there is a replacement in 5.0 that emulates the IBM AIX volume manager (which kicks ass in my opinion).
Any word on this?
Either give it away or get top dollar, but never sell yourself cheap.
Linux users are even faggier!
It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming close on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers:
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a cockeyed miracle could save *BSD from its fate at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
n/t
As a note to the curious, the Linux compatibility improved "greatly" in the latter half of the 4.x series. It's more likely that one or two simple functions were fixed (I haven't followed closely, and it's been a while), but this means that previously tempermental software- the Amiga/Elate SDK, for one example- now runs flawlessly as of 4.5 or so.
;)
Loki games should be no problem, not that they were before.
I was going to say...not necessarily support I'd be looking for. Unless of course you're going to build a DNS server - you know, one server to rule them all, one server to BIND them...
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
... The domain name freebse.org isn't registered yet... :D
I tried to get DP-2 working in Virtual PC but networking seemed to get stuck. Anyone have luck with getting FreeBSD to work in Virtual PC? Are there patches that need to be applied?
What tag= should I use in my cvsup conf file to update to this wonderful release? stuf.f
Jace is cool.
Daniel Bendorf
nt
any real reason for even releasing an ISO? according to the sparc64 page, it is completely crippled, not keyboard or mouse support,no video support and no floppy support. So is this a blank iso or what?
Mac OS X 10.2, being a hybrid of FreeBSD, does already support some features coming with FreeBSD 5 (such as SMP), but OS X does not use BSD 5.0, yet.
According to Apple's OS X 10.2 System Overview, Mac OS X 10.2 is based on 4.4BSD subsystem elements. This was an update from, I believe, 3.3BSD support in 10.1.
Apple is careful not to get experimental with their production operating systems, although it a safe bet that somebody at Apple is continually testing new configurations from FreeBSD development builds.
FreeBSD 5 will have to show its mettle before Apple officially integrates the 5.0BSD subsystem in a later OS X update.
Vos teneo officium eram periculosus ut vos recipero is.
You can help by getting off your rear and writing to your congressman or senator. Tell them FreeBSD is important to you. Tell them that without FreeBSD, you would have to find less managable and intelligently designed alternatives. Let them know that this is an issue that effects YOU directly, that YOU vote, and that your vote will be influenced, indeed dependent, on his or her policy on FreeBSD.
You CAN make a difference. Don't treat voting as a right, treat it as a duty. Keep informed, keep your political representatives informed on how you feel. And, most importantly of all, vote.
KMSMA (WWBD?)
...and you have just demonstrated closed-minded arrogance of the freebsd crowd, all five of you.
We're all full of shit. Ours just doesn't smell as bad as yours does.
FreeBSD has grown larger and larger -- back in the 3.x days I could run it easily. The 4.x series have consumed much more memory, even when the kernel is compiled to use the same features. I had heard that one of the 5.x trees goals was to regain some of that "thin" nature which IMHO is one of FreeBSD's biggest draws. Anyone know how that is coming along?
MORTAR COMBAT!
Is there a release roadmap, guessing when 5.0 final and 5.1 will come out? I haven't seen it on the FreeBSD site.
I know everyone was saying how better and more secure BSD is, but didn't we hear how RC5 was cracked? Why the heck would I want RC1, then? ;-)
Vinum has not been mantained at a high level for some time and I have heard that there is a replacement in 5.0 that emulates the IBM AIX volume manager (which kicks ass in my opinion).
Will it also have a journaled filesystem that is growable while mounted and users are accessing it?
Mods: Please mod +5, Kiss My Ass. Thanks ;)
It crashes if you eject a floppy disk without unmouting it!
Actually that means its not fault tolerant... :) You are the unstable one who ejects things without unmounting them.
The kernel does panic if you try to mount a CD that wasn't fixated though... or at least it did back in 4.6. That is the same kind of fault intolerance as the floppy eject thing I bet.
...RELENG_5, for "5-STABLE," or perhaps RELENG_5_0, for "5.1?"
t ml carries some hints; I can't say I've ever found the CVS layout fully documented, myself, though I'm also as much a moron as all of you are. ;)
/usr/src if it's not right.
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.0R/schedule.h
Try a cvsup and see what you end up with; rm
The base install should allow for boot scripts, minimal drivers, and system binaries. Try using the FreeBSD installer to install a system onto a 64 MB flash IDE drive, for instance -- you can't, because the base system takes up too much space. RAM really isn't the issue, although "whopping" 16 MB is fairly whopping considering the target audience.
MORTAR COMBAT!
Actually, I've had no problems with x.0-RELEASEs. We installed 3.0-RELEASE on our machines the day it was released. We were waiting for it because we needed support for our SCSI card. This was before I knew about -SNAPSHOTs. Anyway, we installed it and ended up running it for like two years without a reboot. I remember a few security issues that could be patched while the machine was running but I don't remember any showstopper stability issues or system corruption issues. In fact, in all the releases that I've installed since 2.something-really-low, I don't think I've ever seen an unstable or dangerous -RELEASE.
Now that FreeBSD has cardbus support can we expect Apple to grab some code and improve their cardbus support. While Apple's CardBus support does the basics there are many drivers that I have heard could not be written simply because the API support did not exist. Is this something Apple can grab. I'm not funny up to date on what Apple grabs from which various BSD projects. -Tim
Tim Smith - Ramblings from Nerd Land
Our lifehood depends on using Win4Lin to run our Windows application.
Does FreeBSD 5.0 run Win4Lin? Thanks a whole lot.
I tried FreeBSD, and found the cult mentality to be very much in evidence. That, plus the FreeBSD credo of "if it was hard to write, it should be hard to use" drove me back to Linux. If they lose their elitist attitude, maybe I'll try it again some day when Linux can't do what I need. Right now there's no reason at all for me to switch.
Yeah, there's DVD players available for FreeBSD.
Please do us a favor, and die. Thank you.
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can i download a service pack to upgrade?
free (as in mp3s) electronic music
You must mean "kldload GNU/linux ; ./sick-GNU-linux-binary ; rejoice!"
Can I get an eye poke?
Dog House Forum
I think maybe it would be timely to start using "z-index" for posts on Slashdot, such that meta-comments, like the one I am replying to would float above one layer. This post of course, would have a z-index of 2, being a meta-meta-comment. Self-referential posts (like this one; I just upgraded) may cause cool "tunneling" effects on your monitor due to infinite recursion.
FreeBSD 4.5 works fine with both my mouse and keyboard so I know its a bug.
http://saveie6.com/
VMware uses /proc (or rather, /usr/compat/linux/proc ;-)
/proc.
/proc from tape, rendering it totally useless for me as a file system. But then again, I'm not a plan 9 fan either, which probably makes me a heretic in many UNIX users eyes.
This is Evil, I quite agree. But from what little research I've done, even a getppid() call on Linux seems to involve opening
I only wished mount had an option to make a file system visible under emulation only.
Last I checked, I was unable to restore
Native VMware support for FreeBSD is when I unzip my purse again. I have a hard time believing it'll take more than a day or two for a VMware engineer to fix up the fallout from a "make World" on FreeBSD. Oh well. I think too many FreeBSD users overestimate the engineer/marketer ratio at VMware, and I believe they'll have a hard time getting an engineer off his proverbial to do such a port, and train the support staff ("look, when you tell the user to type "uname -a" and he mentiones FreeBSD, go to page 5 of your cheat sheet"). I'm only half joking there; educating the support staff is an important job, and while I feel VMware support is less than stellar, I challenge any commercial operation to do a better job (or Plex86 to come up with a better Open Source equivalent, FWIW, and I sure lack the time to assist there).
Bert Driehuis -- All I asked was a friggin' rotatin' chair. Throw me a bone here, people.
Right now there's no reason at all for me to switch.
Hey, if Linux does the job for you, why switch? One mans elitist stance is another mans sign of quality. And vice versa. I think that if you look around in the Linux world, you'll find that Debian is much closer to FreeBSD, than Redhat is. If you look around in the BSD world, you'll find that FreeBSD is much closer to Redhat than NetBSD is.
All are excellent OSes. If it were anything near practical, I'd be multibooting Linux for productivity apps, FreeBSD for server development, NetBSD for kernel development, Debian for server deployment, OpenBSD for security critical stuff, Win98 for games and Win2k for Windows support. All of them tasks I perform at times. Stuck with limited disk space and the annoyance of reboots, I use FreeBSD for work and Win98 for games. And I payed the Microsoft tax for the games. So sue me.
As Opus so eloquently put it, "to each his dentifrice".
Bert Driehuis -- All I asked was a friggin' rotatin' chair. Throw me a bone here, people.
(I'm not aware of any pthreads implementation being of the "npw" variety, so I changed the subject to match what I think the original poster intended -- but then again, the _np suffix has bit me more than once in the past, so there very well might be a Non Portable Windows standard by now, pardon my ignorance).
Or you asking about kernel threads?
I still see pthreads as a programming convenience, and as such, FreeBSD pthreads has served me very well.
Once you get to serious pthreads programming, all but a few commercial implementations fall flat on their face. Needless to say, to support those Serious Programming efforts, those commercial implementations generally do not rank highly on performance, as all that multi-CPU stuff more often than not eats CPU time in spinlocks, and most apps that on the surface could do with multiple CPU's turn out to be disk bound in the first place.
It is so rare that I see apps that actually would benefit from multiple CPU's that I'm consistently stunned to see this issue receiving attention from folks who are not doing fluid dynamics or some other highly parallelizable task.
Bert Driehuis -- All I asked was a friggin' rotatin' chair. Throw me a bone here, people.
it seems that 4.7 and probably 4.6 install floppies don't work for alpha - they panic
as soon as dhclient gets an IP, it seems.
time to go try the new version
there are many knowlegable geeks that are available for free tech support here