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New Software Secures Data when Owners Walk Away

Makarand writes "Leave an operating laptop unattended on your desk and your sensitive data is accessible to anyone who gets hold of it. To limit this risk many users configure their systems to fall into a "sleep" mode after a period of inactivity and ask for a password before the system can be awakened. This constant re-authentication proves to be a headache for many users. Now a Professor and his graduate student at at the University of Michigan have come up with a system called Zero-Interaction Authentication (ZIA), described in this article in The Age, to protect data on mobile devices. The system works by starting to encrypt data the moment the owner walks away from the system. The owners wear a token with a encrypted wireless link with the laptop. If the token moves out of range the ZIA re-encrypts all data within 5 seconds. If the cryptographic token moves within range the system decrypts the information for the owner. The token, which could take many forms, is currently a wristwatch with a processor running Linux designed by IBM."

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  1. wouldn't it make more sense by drDugan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    would it not be more sensible to make the token a passive device, like one with an RFID

    I'm not an expert in encryption, but I have had serveral security related dongles and all of them were a pain in the arse.

    it would seem that there are technologies (I've read about) that can return specific information passively when hit with specific radio frequencies. Wouldn't these be more easily used than a powered device like a watch?

    Anyone else know more about these technologies?

    1. Re:wouldn't it make more sense by DoctorPhish · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think the problem with rfids in a security environment is that anyone with a reader could query the device as you walked by, and would have your encryption keys (or token id, or whatever), and could probably reproduce them without too much grief...rf tags can't perform authentication, as far as I'm aware..

    2. Re:wouldn't it make more sense by drDugan · · Score: 2, Interesting



      I think that my thought was that the
      (hypothetical) passive device return a different
      signal dependant on the signal recieved, not
      simply the same one each time. ...

      The more I think about it, the more it sounds
      like such an action would require an
      "active" (ie powered) device to accomplish
      this.

      but since I don't understand how RFIDs work
      at all, the question still stands... could
      it work with a passive (non-powered) device?

    3. Re:wouldn't it make more sense by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Informative

      RFIDs are "dumb" devices. They're like your EZ-Pass in your car, when a radio beam passes through them, they alter the beam to add their "signature" which is uniquely identifyable. This is useful for identity, but nonsense for encryption. The problem is that if you are within range to "hear" the signal, you get the ID and enough to make a duplicate token. Tardly the model for security. There's no place for encryption here... whatever value is broadcast is the key value. By requring the token to have a microprocessor, the key never gets broadcast. It's an encrypted conversation between the station and the token, which if properly implemented makes it impossible to have a duplicate token take its place.

    4. Re:wouldn't it make more sense by DoctorPhish · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, I'm only an armchair cryptanalyst, but to the best of my knowledge you need some kind of challenge-response system in order to ensure that everyone is who they say they are. That pretty much eliminates any passive system, unless there are some wacky theoretical mathematics I don't understand...

    5. Re:wouldn't it make more sense by swordboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not an expert in encryption, but I have had serveral security related dongles and all of them were a pain in the arse.

      Which is why most users would just leave the dongle next to the PC with the sticky note that has all of their passwords on it.

      User's need to be in the habit of locking the workstation when they leave it. A good IT department will audit this (at least for the users that reside in the office... that goes for plain-view passwords, etc) and penalize users who do not (give them a slow POS or something with a ton of dead pixels). Soon, it will be a subconscious task that is performed before the PC is left. Add a hard drive password (laptop only?) or a drive encryption mechanism (like Safeguard and the data is more secure than it would be with a dongle.

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    6. Re:wouldn't it make more sense by iabervon · · Score: 2

      That's why you want a wireless dongle. The user wears the device or has it in their pocket all the time. Most users aren't in the habit of leaving their wallet and keys by the sticky note, and they don't do that with their non-security-related watches. Of course, the wireless device has to be active, because passive ones are trivial to clone, which is why this is a watch and not a card.

    7. Re:wouldn't it make more sense by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you unify the office security systems, then the system can require you be wearing your watch in order to unlock the bathroom door... if you left your watch at your desk while you go to the bathroom, you have to go back and get it.

      People will carry their key with them if it's required to do everything they want to do away from their desk too.

    8. Re:wouldn't it make more sense by cybermace5 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As the previous poster pointed out, RFID is relatively easy to snoop on.

      One of my major peeves is the RFID card that gets me into work every morning. In certain stores, my RFID card returns a code that sets off their RF tag detectors at the door. Usually I remember, pull out my wallet, and hold it over my head while walking through. Once I forgot at Fleet Farm (basically a giant general store, like Home Depot with tractor parts) and I set off the alarm. Of course someone came to visit me, and it was especially embarrassing because I was wearing a big coat and didn't buy anything. She handed me a little piece of cardboard called a "Schlage Shield" and said to put it in my wallet. No more alarm.

      Worked great, except that opening the door at work involved putting down my coffee, laptop, and lunch to get out the RF card (instead of conveniently pressing my butt against the door). So I took it out, and promptly set off a Barnes & Noble alarm. No one seemed to care, so I just pulled out my wallet and walked through with the wallet over my head again.

      ANYWAY...the point is that RFID tags are barely more secure than keeping a post-it note with an access code.

      I am curious exactly what my card claims to be on the store scanners....

      And the whole article is a duplicate.

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    9. Re:wouldn't it make more sense by Cruciform · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm soooo sorry about the wastebasket, Sir. You see they were serving East Indian cuisine in the caf and I forgot my watch today. And you know those locks on the bathroom doors... once again Sir, my apologies.

    10. Re:wouldn't it make more sense by Hubert_Shrump · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Anyone else know more about these technologies?

      If I read you right, you're talking about passive RF stuff, like in those bigassed Honda keys.

      They use RF generated from the car (ping!) to generate just enough electricity to de/encrypt a response (pong!). Viola! (sic)

      I guess it's more like a transformer coil than RF, but what the hoo.

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    11. Re:wouldn't it make more sense by FyRE666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      A good IT department will audit this (at least for the users that reside in the office... that goes for plain-view passwords, etc) and penalize users who do not [lock machine when leaving it unattended]

      I used to have great fun with people who did this at a previous job where the majority of machines were Sun/Linux. One guy constantly left his machine logged in, so I'd sneak over and drop the security on his X server (xhost +), then have great fun randomly opening apps on his machine across the room. Since he was a hardcore Windows man (he was working as a Perl programmer, and didn't have any interest in the operating system) he had no idea what was going on.

      Oh yeah, I also set up a cron job to open Netscape, pointed at the famous goatcx site at lunch every day on his machine for a while...

    12. Re:wouldn't it make more sense by Tony.Tang · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > [RFIDs are] useful for identity, but nonsense for encryption

      I don't know much about RFID's, but I think you're probably right. Here's a question: wouldn't it be possible to capture someone else's EZ-Pass ID then and then replay it? If it is possible, how come no one has (apparently) done it?

      I think the key take-away from this article is not so much its implementation as the idea: 1. the mobile device somehow identifies its owner, 2. when the owner is not around, then the mobile device becomes useless.

      If RFID's aren't the way to accomplish (1), then people in the future just need to think about the way to accomplish it in a different way.

    13. Re:wouldn't it make more sense by Sheridan · · Score: 5, Funny
      but I have had serveral security related dongles and all of them were a pain in the arse.

      Dude, you're definitely wearing your dongle in the wrong place!

    14. Re:wouldn't it make more sense by xrayspx · · Score: 2

      If you leave your watch at your desk, your laptop doesn't auto-encrypt, you get pwned, and get fired for leaking company (govt. whatever) secrets.

      Clearly, the only solution is implants. :-)

    15. Re:wouldn't it make more sense by dasmegabyte · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, hahaha! It is so fun to abuse the norms on Windows! Cretins, why don't they embrace our hilarious operating system which allows such cunning exploits as showing porn at lunc time, not to mention intuitive prevention from them! Just open a terminal, change directories to /bin/ and sudo -c chmod 500 me.mygroup xhost lol!

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    16. Re:wouldn't it make more sense by jonadab · · Score: 2

      If you need the thing to transmit a signal via radio waves, then I
      think you're probably right. However, there _are_ passive (as in
      non-powered, like the other poster was asking) one-way cryptographic
      devices. I read an article once (possibly on /., possibly elsewhere)
      about some people who had taken bits of glass and embedded them in
      a card-shaped slab of something-or-another, so that shining light
      through it from various angles would produce various patterns. It
      was said to be impossible to work backwords from the speckle-patterns
      it produced and create a copy of the thing, so if the authenticator
      picked a different angle each time to shine the light through, it
      could be assured that the correct pattern could only be produced
      by the original "key".

      However, any object-key system like this doesn't prevent somebody
      from just stealing the key object along with the thing it unlocks.
      It's fine for things like the article discussed (preventing random
      people in a hospital from reading patient records when the doctor
      steps away from the computer), but it would not work in a case
      involving someone actively seeking your data (e.g., espionage).

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    17. Re:wouldn't it make more sense by jonadab · · Score: 2

      > User's need to be in the habit of locking the workstation when
      > they leave it.

      That would be good for security, certainly...

      > A good IT department will audit this (at least for the users
      > that reside in the office... that goes for plain-view passwords,
      > etc) and penalize users who do not (give them a slow POS or
      > something with a ton of dead pixels).

      The IT department does not always have the authority to do this.
      For that matter, the IT department doesn't always have the authority
      to require passwords to be changed annually (or to change them), let
      alone penalising anyone in any way.

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    18. Re:wouldn't it make more sense by FyRE666 · · Score: 2

      That you consider goatecx a porn site is somewhat disturbing...

  2. It'll be a movie plot element within 3 years. by Apuleius · · Score: 2

    Specifically, someone with such a token getting clubbed on the head and stuffed in the office supplies closet, and his token stolen.

    1. Re:It'll be a movie plot element within 3 years. by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Funny

      You know, common movie elements won't understand this "token wristwatch that has a Linux-running microprocessor" thing, so let's dumb it down. How about he gets clubbed in order to get a piece of metal that has been engraved in some semi-random form so that when it's placed into its reader, it causes a door to be unlocked.

      I know... call it The Key

    2. Re:It'll be a movie plot element within 3 years. by 4of12 · · Score: 2

      I was thinking how cool it would be to have colored metallic foil RFID tattoos!

      It sure would look nicer than the black and white UPC bar code on the top of my forehead - for some reason hot chix don't dig it very much.

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  3. Interesting article/research project by ekrout · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But what happens when the neighborhood/college/company bully steals your watch?

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    1. Re:Interesting article/research project by EverDense · · Score: 5, Funny

      Then you offer praise to whomever you worship that the company you work for didn't use
      finger print authentication. Its a lot easier to replace a stolen device than a stolen finger.

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    2. Re:Interesting article/research project by spruce · · Score: 2, Funny

      So in your scenario, the big bad neighborhood bully beats the nerd to a pulp, and then logs on for some kernel hacking or something?

    3. Re:Interesting article/research project by LostCluster · · Score: 2

      Same thing that happens when you lose your physical key or your pass-card... you change the lock so that the old watch is no longer acceptable, and you get a new watch who is the new keeper of the key.

    4. Re:Interesting article/research project by bloo9298 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you Eric Raymond?

    5. Re:Interesting article/research project by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Interesting
      It's also a lot easier to steal a watch than a finger...

      Not necessarily.

    6. Re:Interesting article/research project by (startx) · · Score: 2

      Then look at it the other way around. What stops the person going after your laptop from changing the key themselves?

    7. Re:Interesting article/research project by PYves · · Score: 2, Funny

      it's mostly a moral issue, really. with a big knife it's very easy to steal either or both.

    8. Re:Interesting article/research project by sql*kitten · · Score: 2

      Then you offer praise to whomever you worship that the company you work for didn't use
      finger print authentication. Its a lot easier to replace a stolen device than a stolen finger.


      Any engineer will tell you that a decent fingerprint reader won't be fooled by a dead finger. Temperature, electrostatic properties, lack of a pulse etc - these things are easy to check. But Joe Random Criminal isn't going to know that...

  4. Sounds like smartcards by Cat_Byte · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sounds like the smartcards to me where you stick it in the slot & it knows your password, domain, etc. Console is locked unless you have the card.

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    1. Re:Sounds like smartcards by Cat_Byte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is not a troll. It's exactly the same thing a smartcard does.

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    2. Re:Sounds like smartcards by Cat_Byte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How the hell is saying this technology is a ripoff from smartcards a troll? Are you mods still on crack? I use smartcards and they're more configurable than these from what I read about them.

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  5. Would that be the J R R Token by cyber_rigger · · Score: 4, Funny

    That you wear on your finger? :^)

    1. Re:Would that be the J R R Token by Dannon · · Score: 2

      And they shall be allocated thus:

      Three for the executives, with their heads in the sky,
      Seven for the managers, with skulls of stone,
      Nine for the programmers, who need to die(t),
      One for the Sysadmin on his dark throne.

      One Ring with Root to all, one Ring to scoff them, one Ring to bring them all, and in their cubicles BOFH them.

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  6. Vulnerable to brute force cracking by commodoresloat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gimme your watch, punk!

    1. Re:Vulnerable to brute force cracking by Tolchz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually I believe the term is "rubber hose" cryptanalysis

  7. Sounds like fun... by Grip3n · · Score: 2

    Great! Now I'll have a growth on my arm from my ZIA wristwatch to go along with my brain tumor from my cell phone!

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  8. hmmm... by jasno · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What about using some kind of biometric data, like key cadence, or a profile of typical mouse movement characteristics (like icon overshoot?) to do it? That way its totally seamless, although one could still do some damage as it would take a few input events to establish the identity.

    Sure, its not foolproof, but who wants to wear an identifying token?

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    1. Re:hmmm... by pboulang · · Score: 5, Funny

      ... or maybe some secretly hidden sequence of key presses?

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    2. Re:hmmm... by AceyMan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, great.

      Four whiskeys later, and you've locked yourself out of your computer for the next 8 hours.

      This would ruin pr0nsurfing as we know it....

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    3. Re:hmmm... by spotter · · Score: 2

      bluetooth actually, unless they figured out a way to get 802.11 working w/ decent power savings on the watch. Bluetooth requires much less power than 802.11 (a reason why its range is so much less)

      When i was working on it (2 summers ago, so a while back) we got bluetooth working decently well, in that one could give a talk w/ slides and control the slides w/ the watch's thumbwheel.

    4. Re:hmmm... by barzok · · Score: 2

      My key cadence and mouse movement vary based upon the task at hand. Wouldn't work too well there.

  9. Non-PDF version by David_Bloom · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those of us who don't want the Acrobat plugin crashing our browser: Google's handy PDF->HTML cache.

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  10. Something's missing by Safety+Cap · · Score: 5, Interesting
    (from the article)
    At the beginning of the process, the user enters a password on the watch~.
    Isn't the point so that lazy people don't have to be bothered with remembering passwords? Doesn't this defeat the purpose? (sigh)

    What happens if you take your watch off and leave it next to the computer? It never encrypts!

    Worse yet---what happens if your watch gets stolen? Now you can't get at your data! Better make sure you get the Casio watch option instead of the Breitling. No one would want to steal a Casio POS, so you should be safe.

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    1. Re:Something's missing by cicadia · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Isn't the point so that lazy people don't have to be bothered with remembering passwords? Doesn't this defeat the purpose? (sigh)

      <sigh> No, that isn't the point at all. The technology is intended to stop the problem of people walking away from their computers ("I'm sure I'm only going to be away for a minute" -- gets dragged into a five hour meeting...) without locking them first.

      The article even says that it was designed for use by people who are already using passwords, but are bothered by the inconvenience of having to lock the computer, and reenter the password every time they are called away for a few seconds. Not because they don't want to remember a password, but because it's a hassle to have to enter it all the time.

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    2. Re:Something's missing by Jorrit · · Score: 2
      Apparently you didn't read the parent. The problem is that they do not WANT to type in the password every time they go away for a short time and come back. That is what the proposed system of the slashdot article is about. Not having to type the password every time you come back at your computer.


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  11. you call THAT secure? by SHEENmaster · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have a v8 engine block set to fall on my hard disk if I'm away for more than five minutes (3 minute walk to fridge(coke!) and back)!!!

    Your security is nothing compared to that!!!!!

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    1. Re:you call THAT secure? by MullerMn · · Score: 2

      I have a v8 engine block set to fall on my hard disk if I'm away for more than five minutes (3 minute walk to fridge(coke!) and back)!!!

      Erm..
      3 mins to fridge +
      retrieve coke +
      3 mins back

      ... I hope you've got backups.

  12. is currently a wristwatch with.... by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2
    a processor running Linux designed by IBM.

    Soon to be a chip implanted in your hand.

    Don't forget the barcode on the forehead!

    I'd much rather computers go wearable than implantable...

  13. Use my technique by ekrout · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I keep all mission-critical and government-classified information on portable USB Flash DRAM-based storage devices. They're incredibly portable and can be brought to the gym, in the car, to work, back home, swimming, hiking, biking, etc.

    To be perfectly honest, I just can't bring myself to respect anyone who would leave a $4,000 laptop with supposedly top-secret information on it sitting out on a cafeteria table or something while they go sit in the bathroom and read the paper.

    Just stick with portable USB drives. They're cheap, efficient, fast, and more secure than any fly-by-night research project out there right now.

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    1. Re:Use my technique by Mitreya · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Parent might be a troll, but he makes a valid point. If you are already prepared to carry some device on you, you might as well have the data *on* that device... So not only is it safe from someone's tampering, but stays with you if the laptop is stolen alltogether...

    2. Re:Use my technique by Surak · · Score: 4, Funny

      I keep all mission-critical and government-classified information on portable USB Flash DRAM-based storage devices. They're incredibly portable and can be brought to the gym, in the car, to work, back home, swimming, hiking, biking, etc.

      I think you had a typo.

      What you meant to say was
      "and can be LOST at the gym, in the car, at work, at home, swiming, hiking, biking, etc.

  14. hmmm... by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 2
    The token... is currently a wristwatch with a processor running Linux designed by IBM.

    hmmm....we have a watch, it obviously has some sort of wi-fi networking if it can keep in touch with the computer. How long until someone is assasinated by launching a DoS attack against his watch? It may not kill, but at least cripple as the watch burns its way through the flesh as the poor NIC on it is overloaded.....

  15. For Regular Business Users? by webword · · Score: 2

    This is yet another device created by geeks for geeks. These researchers probably think this is a good idea, but do they really think it is a good idea for most people? How much market analysis was done? How much usability testing? Well, at least they are targeting corporations and large organizations. There might be some money in it down the road.

  16. Ehhh... by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

    Security for the people too lazy to practice good security habits. Yay. Although I suppose this will make life easier for certain sysadmins...

    At any rate, my question is "When will this be used to make smart guns?"

    1. Re:Ehhh... by afidel · · Score: 2

      Guns have no need for electronics. The most cost effective way to do "smart" guns is to have a ring with a magnet and a spring loaded pin that goes in from of the firing pin/hammer and keeps them from engaging unless the rings magnet pulls the pin out of the way. The only thing this system lacks is individual user identification but it solved 80+% of the problem with weapons, those mostly being the weapon being fired by children/ other non-owners of the weapon accidently and the weapon being used against the owner by an assaliant.

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    2. Re:Ehhh... by afidel · · Score: 2

      At least three companies offer magnetic trigger locks.
      Smartlock
      tarnhelm
      and Colt
      The companies have all determined that there is a market for these devices and that they offer a low enough chance of being sued for it to be profitable. Colt also offers an electronic version to police officers, but I know my inlaws (both of which are police officers) would not want some battery powered thing determining if they can fire their weapon or not.

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  17. facial recognition by Nathdot · · Score: 2

    More and more laptops/palmtops incorporating a camera as part of the design, so why not use facial recognition to lock the pc.

    Short of growing a beard before you get back to the laptop it'd be a cheap workable solution.

    Then you don't have to remember/wear some crazy ass security dongle.

  18. Is it really so hard? by NineNine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When you stand up, hit ctrl+alt+del. When you sit down, type in your password. I had to do it at one company, and now it's just habit. Not exactly a tough thing to do. I think that these guys are trying to solve a non-problem.

    1. Re:Is it really so hard? by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are business analysts (remember what the first four letters of that word are..) who add up all those seconds lost to things like hitting Ctrl-Alt-Del and typing their passwords over a year, then multiply it by the hourly wage to determine how many dollars are wasted by that task. If that step is replaced by a passive process, it theoretically makes employees more effective... YMMV in actual use.

    2. Re:Is it really so hard? by NineNine · · Score: 4, Interesting

      True, but then you have to factor in the physical cost of these doohickeys, and the support time when one dies, is lost, or malfunctions. I dunno. Seems like it's making things more complicated and expensive for no really good reason. In most businesses, a LOT more time and money can be saved by doing something as simple as making sure that no non-developers or non-admins have full control of their box, limiting the damage they can do. Most companies that I've seen make each user admin of their own box, when really if they're just doing work, they'd never need.

    3. Re:Is it really so hard? by strick · · Score: 2, Funny

      The best way I have seen to enforce is through a little social engineering known as baggy pantsing

      People usually fall for this trick exactly one-time.

      Has anyone seen my pants?

    4. Re:Is it really so hard? by deblau · · Score: 2
      I think that these guys are trying to solve a non-problem.

      Rarely do I see such brilliance on /.! I give parent poster full marks.

      As we all know by now, security is a process, not a goal. People walking away from their keyboards is endemic of bad security practice. This problem can only be fixed by training. New tech like this, while it may have a 'neato' factor, solves the wrong problem. Likewise, having the computer automatically put itself to sleep and ask for a password solves the wrong problem as well.

      People are asking the computers to practice good security for them because, and here's the important thing to take away, they are too lazy to practice good security themselves. This problem has nothing to do with intelligence. Anyone smart enough to use Excel is smart enough to follow (blindly, mechanically) a few simple security rules from IT. No, the source of this problem is laziness. Until that problem is addressed, all the neato tech in the world won't prevent people from fux0ring themselves.

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  19. I thought dell lattitudes did this? by t0qer · · Score: 2

    With a combination of a prickly bios password and some sort of hardware lockout?

    I had a crackhead friend bring me one of these recently asking if I could make it work. I spent about 10 minutes reading posts about the hardware lockout and figured out it wouldn't happen without him calling dell. It was of questionable origin and he did not want to do that.

    He then insisted on leaving it at my house for two fucking weeks insisting that i'm a computer genius and I could figure it out, despite the documention I had read.

    Two weeks later he came back accusing me of being too lazy to have a look at it. Isn't that just the way it goes when you're the computer fixit guy?

  20. repeat article by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Informative
    The repeat mania continues ... amazing.

    The original is here. At least they waited some weeks before reposting it.

    1. Re:repeat article by Ack_OZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > The repeat mania continues ... amazing.

      This is why I like slashdot... an interesting story comes along, & I miss it...

      A few days, weeks, or sometimes hours later it's reposted and I catch it on its second run.

      Makes me wonder how many interesting articles I really do miss...

  21. Encrypts the data? by dagg · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The system protects data by automatically scrambling it the moment users walk away...

    What does it actually encrypt? All sensitive data? I doubt it could do that in 5-6 seconds. Also, how do you decrypt the data if you lose your key? Or what if you fire the employee and don't get the key back? How will you get the data, then? Is there a back door for sysadmins?

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    1. Re:Encrypts the data? by Mitreya · · Score: 2
      What does it actually encrypt? All sensitive data? I doubt it could do that in 5-6 seconds.

      It probably encrypts your passwords.txt so that the thief of the laptop can not compromize your *other* accounts including that porn site one...
      Or maybe it is really smart and it keeps both copies of your data -- encrypted and unencrypted. The second you walk away the unencrypted copy is erased :) Dunno about the decryption part happening in 5 seconds though... undelete?

    2. Re:Encrypts the data? by LostCluster · · Score: 2

      "Sensitive data" basically boils down to the one or two directories where you actually save your work to. You don't really need to encrypt your programs or .mp3 files.

    3. Re:Encrypts the data? by afidel · · Score: 2

      Decryption in cases of lost/inoperable keys or removed employees is probably done through escrow much like NTFS encryption in an AD Domain. There is an AD key (one per tree I believe) and there is a group that is assigned to have use of that key. This group can access any encrypted data in the tree because they can pull the origional encryption key out of an escrow database using the AD key. Another strategy is that used by PGP where you include two keys, the users and a master, either key can decrypt the information so you just need the master if someone leaves/forgets their passphrase etc. This is a feature that Phil didn't really like but knew was needed for commercial sucess.

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    4. Re:Encrypts the data? by jbf · · Score: 2

      It encrypts the cache. Which is very easy to do in 5-6 seconds. The disk contents are always encrypted.

  22. Jeez, just use on-the-fly encryption already by HEbGb · · Score: 3, Informative

    A token can be easily misplaced, duplicated, or bypassed. A password is NOT a big deal to enter when you sit at your desk. If they're too lazy/clueless to enter a password, they shouldn't be responsible for any secret information.

    Use a program like Scramdisk or the commercial version Drivecrypt. Keep all of your critical files on the encrypted partition. When you leave your desk, activate the screenserver with a keystroke.

    Unless someone knows your password, you're safe. If they reboot, the encrypted disk is inaccessible.

    What's the big deal?

  23. Practical? by Sandman1971 · · Score: 2

    I don't see this as being very practical.

    How fast will this encrypt/decrypt data? I probably have well over a gig's worth of 'sensitive' documents and data on my laptop, stored in various directories (and unfortunately the approved OS at work is winblows). Encrypting will not take mere seconds.

    More often than not, when I'm not at my desk I'm a few cubicles away working with other co-workers. Sometimes I'm not away from my desk for more than 10-15 seconds. Right now if I suspect I'll be gone from my desk for a while, and it's not in plain view, I'll turn on my screensaver (password locked) with a touch of 2 keys. This system sounds like it will arbitrarilly start encrypting my data as soon as I'm outside a specified range. If I'm away for just 15-20 seconds, this seems very impractical. Not to mention other things, like forgetting the transmitter at home (how many of us have forgotten our work passes at home once or twice?), having the battery die, etc.... On such occasions you'd be totally locked out from accessing your own data.

    No thanks, this seems way too impractical for my taste. Move along, there's nothing to see here.

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  24. New technology only changes the attack mechanism by JayBonci · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I applaud these people for making steps to make it harder to casually get information off of laptop computers, it still does not stop other attacks on such a system. Flooding the laptops area with uniformly strong signal that matches the watch's key would be as difficult as acquire-and-replicate. There seems to be a smart card like system with keys, and key encrypting keys.
    It's very comprehensive, and it addresses many aspects of the social and technological attacks.

    In my mind, the weak link here is clearly the watch. Watch technology isn't very complicated (read: very big), and how many designs could their possibly be? If one knows where the hardware information is located, a system replacement under the face, and you've got some issues. How many people wear watches to bed at night? Or in the shower? Difficult, but possible

    A quick couple of replacements, and you have a watch that has a short range transmitter also transmitting the information that you'd need to dissolve the encryption link, and maybe begin a traditional man-in-the-middle attack. Once you see what cards the watch is holding, shouldn't the rest of the exchange be trivial?

    While this is a great mechanism for an encryption scheme, what attacks are there against the physical and social component? These are the items of which spy thrillers are made, and will probably (hopefully) never come into play.

    All in all, an excellent read from the UMich folk, and they have my applause.

    --jaybonci

  25. Fry the Cache by cranos · · Score: 2

    From what I understand, this new system decrypts the cache when you come within a certain distance and re-encrypts when you go past that distance, does this mean that doing the hokey pokey (you put your left foot in...) could lead to a system crash??

    1. Re:Fry the Cache by cranos · · Score: 2

      Im sorry I have to write this. Imagine an entire office of Cubicle dwellers doing the hokey pokey just to crash their machines.

      Damnit I need a smoke.

  26. Weakest Link by Dolohov · · Score: 2

    As always, the weakest link will be the user. I can just see some schmuck decide that he's tired of waiting six seconds every time he gets back from the water cooler, and so he leaves the wristwatch next to the laptop at all times.

  27. To save my hand... by wray · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let me use a ring, then I only lose a finger when someone wants access :~)

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    1. Re:To save my hand... by XNormal · · Score: 3, Funny

      So that's why Sauron made a ring of power instead of a bracelet of power!

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  28. Why to use an active device by SirCrashALot · · Score: 2, Informative
    The best way for a device like such to work is public/private authentication. You give the computer your public key. To challenge user authentication, it sends out its public key encrypted by your public key. The watch then decrypts that the laptops key with its own private key. The watch then sends back the user's password.
    If the password is received and is correct, the computer stays in public mode. IF the password is incorrect: either
    • Someone has launched a man in the middle attack
    • You co-worker is walking past with their watch on
    • The wrong password was entered on the watch

    So the laptops locks up until you start to use it and the watch recived a timed ping, or you initiate the send from the laptop.

    This system provided user authentication and data security, the two main points of a secure system.
  29. Dongles revisited by mark_space2001 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    In other news, University of Michigan has re-invented the dongle. "You know those things you hated and were a pain in the ass to use? We'll, we got it all figured out, trust me."

    Great, something else to buy. My fingers are cheaper and I'm not one of the people who has a problem logging in with a password. Why should I fork out cash for this?

    1. Re:Dongles revisited by reconbot · · Score: 2, Informative

      To be fair dongle's don't carry encryption info. Nor did anyone expect you to pay money for this. This is tartgeted more for docters and such with patien information on thier laptops. I for one like the idea but I'd have having something stealable as the key. As least the key needs its own "key" (a password) to operate, but the artical never said exactly how that worked.

      I think its a good idea espicaly if it expands I'd like to see other devices use the same key. You could start your car, buy a coffe, walk in the (locked) parking entrence at work, open your office, and log in your computer all with a password you entered in your watch when you woke up.

      I like it - beats the hell our of attaching a dongle into the back of my computer to use the encyclopedia bratianica. (way back when)

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    2. Re:Dongles revisited by Malcontent · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Why should I fork out cash for this?"

      Here is one possible reason.

      If this device (or a similar device) is able to encrypt your hard drive then it would be an effective combat against some of the more intrusive aspects of the patriot act. In that legislation there are clauses that allow the FBI to enter your home when you are not in and bug your place and place trojans in your computer while you are not home and without letting you know about it.

      My point is that automatically encrypting your hard drive is more effective then having a password protected system especially if that encryption is done with huge keys that are stored on the watch.

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  30. The golden rule is broken by nuckin+futs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Leave an operating laptop unattended on your desk and your sensitive data is accessible to anyone who gets hold of it
    I was taught that once someone has physical access to a system, it's game over with regards to security.
    In other words, the authentication system will only deter, not stop unauthorized access. How about just taking the laptop with you?

  31. Flushing sound heard as user backs away by dnoyeb · · Score: 2

    The distinct flushing sound one hears as he backs away from his device is the users 'sensitive' data being stored safely where no man is sure to venture.

    Only the men with get this joke..

  32. Re:New technology only changes the attack mechanis by call+-151 · · Score: 2
    In my mind, the weak link here is clearly the watch. Watch technology isn't very complicated (read: very big), and how many designs could their possibly be?

    The watch is running Linux; how many possible programs can there be? More than there are particles in the universe...

    There are lots of challenge/response identification schemes that run nicely on my old 200 Mhz PII box that would be very hard to crack with current technology, so I would have faith in that part of the system.

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  33. Or! Use it in the opposite direction... by KwisatzHaderach · · Score: 2, Funny

    Like putting a bell on the cat. "Pat your manager on the back" and then you can rest assured surfing freely knowing that the next time he comes within 15 feet of your desk, a browser window will open maximized pointed to http://java.sun.com.

    Or tag the girlfriend and always hide the pr0n!

  34. ZIA Redux by mcorner · · Score: 5, Informative

    As much as I enjoy the free publicity, this has been posted on slashdot before.

    To correct a serious error that appears in this article and in the nytimes article this was cribbed from: The system was NEVER run on the IBM watch. We mentioned it as a possibility and somehow it was taken as fact.

    I welcome the comments on the work, however remember that the world of university research is often more forward looking than the commercial world. That is our job!

  35. Sounds like a nice idea. by Chris_Stankowitz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds like a nice idea. However we all know that once physical security is compromise the rest is all down hill. On-top of which, a thief that is just after the machine and cares nothing about the data will still take the machine. He doesn't know that you have a proximity sensor (whether it uses encryption or not). What I would like to see is a tool and/or system that has the kind of reliability and name recognition that something like low-jack has. What I mean is something that a crook will look at and walk away because he will recognize that it will be more trouble than it is worth. Even if he is just stealing it for the hardware. Something that he knows he just can't slap in a windows boot disk and format. Because we all know that most laptop thefts are not by criminals that want data. Its the common crook that just wants a buck. Granted what would also bring down those thefts would just be the prices in laptops coming down, the prices on those haven't fallen nearly as close to the same rate as desktops.

    For now I will continue to dream and maybe even write a book entitled "2085" by Ali Orwell. :)

    1. Re:Sounds like a nice idea. by LostCluster · · Score: 2

      LoJack is invisible. I think you mean The Club.

    2. Re:Sounds like a nice idea. by Chris_Stankowitz · · Score: 2

      Yes it is, but you put a sticker on your car. Altough my personal favorite deterence is the led that rolls that a line (like the KNight Rider car kit), that does Di*k & Bubble Gum, but people think there is an alarm in the car.

  36. Erm...brute force? by BSDevil · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd say why not brute force the thing, but here's something easier...Make a device that constantly scans for the signal of a token (there has to be some characteristic fingerprint to the signal). When it finds one, remember the signal and indicate to the user. User then goes and mugs target, takes laptop, uses stored signal. We've shown that man-in-the-middle attacks are do-able for a system like this, so why not keep with what works? If one knows how the system works, and can get a long enough string of interactions between the token and the server, then the key is vaunerable. Maybe this means that you have to tail the guy for a while, but let's be honest - if he's using one of these systems (I don't imagine they come cheap) then there's probably somehting worth stealing on that machine, if that's what you're up to. Make a scanner that tracks the signature of packets, walk around the financial centers of the world, and then the device goes off you know which laptops to take.

    On another note, this reminds me of the plan to put RFIDs in the new high-denomination Euro-notes. Something like takes all the effort of guesing who to mug: emit the signal, and anytime you get a response, you know the guys's packing a high-value Eruo-note.

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    1. Re:Erm...brute force? by karlm · · Score: 2
      Ehh.. you're describing a replay attack, not a MITM attack. It's pretty trivial to make the system invlunerable to a replay attack.

      Imagine a system in which a signed 1128-bit number, representing the number of milliseconds since Jan. 1, 1970 is encrypted using Twofish or Mars with a 256-bit key. The laptop broadcasts this as a querry. The token decrypts it and makes sure it's not too far in the future or too far in the past, flips the MSB, re-encrypts, and sends it back as the repsonse. You could have the token keep track of latencies. If some guy snags the laptop and uses a sgnal booster while driving away in a car, latencies are going to start going up rapidly, and the watch should stop repsonding for a little while.

      Give the watch a nice big panic button to make it forget the key.

      Go to mug the guy and he hits the panic button and the watch is useless. (Put a pulse sensor and a sensor on the watch clasp if you're really paranoid.)

      It'll take literally decillions of years of following the guy in order to be able to replay querry responses.

      The simplest attack I can think of that would work in this case is to have a signal booster to increase the range that the token can be from the laptop. The range is still limited by the amount of latency the watch is willing to accept, so you still can't take the laptop too far from the token.

      Unless your line of work involves carying a suicide pill, a system like this should work fine.

      The main thing is that you want the data encrypted all the time it's on disk and use something like encrypted loopback device or a cryptographic fs driver, otherwise some guy puts an ice pickthrough your battery and runs off with the dead laptop and reads the HD with a different machine.

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  37. Still... by Velocity44 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anyone who wanted your information that much should be willing to beat up up for it - I feel that this just makes it one step easier to get your information. Anyway, it's not even a new idea.

  38. Seems Like They're Doing It The Hard Way by John+Hasler · · Score: 2

    Why not use an encrypted filesystem and store the key in the token?

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  39. Breaks an important rule by afidel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    good security should always be based on at least two of the three from the list

    Something you have

    Something you know

    Something you are

    Anything that relies on just one of these catagories is going to be significantly easier to break than one the follows the rules. Most commercial security these days is based on something you know (password) and nothing more. Good security systems require all three, biometrics, password, and a physical token. biometrics are suseptible to advanced attacks but thing like thermal imaging for skull structure combined with retinal imaging is pretty close to unbreakable. Passwords are notoriously lacking because passwords strong enough to be secure are difficult for most people to remember so they end up either weak or written down. As for token systems other than smart cards and the IBM watch I have not seen many implementations out there.

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  40. Re:Airport? by surprise_audit · · Score: 2

    Or "defused" by a robot with a bolt gun...

  41. Use in hospitals by SCHecklerX · · Score: 2

    I don't think it encrypts, but IIRC, there are hospitals that use bluetooth for automatic login/logoff when a doctor approaches a terminal, so this is nothing new or revolutionary. It is one of the things bluetooth was originally designed to accomplish.

  42. Great combination opportunities ? by miffo.swe · · Score: 2

    I guess the hackers of the future will be both hackers and pocket thiefs. The man in the corner selling clocks get a new buisiness.

    "you want an www.ibm.com/we/own/joo or a www.bank.com/all/your/base/is/in/my/pocket?"

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  43. Existing measures are overlooked by Proc6 · · Score: 2

    If you're talking about WindowsXP/2000, you can lockout automatically on a 60 second screensaver or whatever. You can also enable lockout on resume from a suspend. And finally if you just NTFS and a strong name/password, then EFS to encrypt your My Documents (or whever your secret recipes live), someone could physically take the drive out, put it in another machine, and not do much with it. Im sure there are *NIX versions of all of these things too, which, when employed together, can be setup once, and pretty much forgotten about by the end user's standpoint.

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  44. Re:mmm, mmm good by Orne · · Score: 2

    But passphrases are sooo hard to remember! If it were up to me, I'd use my voice as my passport, to verify me.

    On the other end of the spectrum, you want to avoid what I see at work... I use 12+ different Oracle databases which expire in uneven rotations (# includes dev/test/production), an NT account, SAP software payroll account, and if I want to work off-campus, they're now giving out these RSA fob-number-generators, where you have to enter the 8 digit number generated every minute (and synchronized to the base station) into the VPN software you use to dial in. Not exactly the most user-friendly authentication system.

  45. What headache...? by sapgau · · Score: 2, Informative

    How lazy can u be... I type my password without thinking now.

  46. Vulnerability already discovered! by wirelessbuzzers · · Score: 4, Funny

    It was discovered soon after the press release that the "zero interaction authentication" system was vulnerable to a transmission replay attack. This attack may prove fatal to the design; in any case, it should take a few years to get the kinks worked out, so don't expect it on your desktop any time soon.

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  47. You missed the point entirely by jpmorgan · · Score: 2
    The point is to automate the whole 'active screensaver' and 'type in password' bit by using a physical token that communicates with the laptop wirelessly so it seemlessly does that without you having to do anything. More importantly, you're a lot less likely to take your watch off and leave it next to the laptop than forget to lock the screen (but I was only gone for a minute!).

    Really, this is nothing new. People have been using physical tokens for authentication for years (although usually for the added security value). In this case the token is being used to increase convenience, not security direclty (although the end goal being to improve security indirectly), which is what makes it different.

    Of course, if you are the kind of person who'd leave your watch next to your laptop when you go to the bathroom, I'd recommend against using this. ;)

    1. Re:You missed the point entirely by Chakotay · · Score: 2

      Actually, when I sit down to work, I take off my watch. When I run off to take a little break, I generally leave it lying there. When I leave my watch on, I will get RSI-like pains in my left hand after a few minutes of work. Sometimes the same kind of problems occur in my ring finger, which dissipate quickly when I take off my ring.

      Guess I'm not the kind of person who could use this particular gadget...

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  48. Man in the middle attack by jpmorgan · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The thing is, these are radio devices. Radio is analog, not digital, and one of the amusing things about analog is it's actually much easier to authenticate.

    A possible solution is to generate a second low powered signal from the laptop; this signal would be generated from nothing more than some strongly encrypted hash, and most certainly be an AM signal. The nice thing about strong encryption is that it should be pretty much indistinguishable from random noise, so the this signal would be indistinguishable from background noise.

    Then you have the frequency the signal is broadcasted on randomly shuffled based on the current time. The laptop and the token are time-synced (not a problem, most decent cryptographic tokens are time-synced anyway), so the token is always listening on the correct frequency.

    At this point you have the correct waveform, although its amplitude will depend on your distance from the device. Every tenth of a second, or something, normalise the signal based on the RMS power, then compare the input signal based on what you compute it should be (you know the secret, so you can also compute the hash).

    To fool this system you have to replicate the exact signal as it bounces around frequencies. Since it's bouncing around frequencies you can't just repeat the signal you're recieving on a specific frequency, since that won't matter. Further, for each part of the signal you repeat, you'll be off in intensity by a certain amount based on the frequency you're tuning into relative to the frequency its actually being transmitted at, and unless you can exactly predict the pattern you your error will vary. You can't track the frequency since you'd need to break the encryption. Really, this is nothing more than frequency scrambling that's been used by the military to secure communication for years, used in a slightly different way.

    I'm sure there are other ways to solve the problem. So yes, it could be a problem if it wasn't taken into consideration, but it is a solvable problem.

    1. Re:Man in the middle attack by jpmorgan · · Score: 2

      Yes, but if your keys are long enough it probably won't happen until sometime long after the universe dies. :P

    2. Re:Man in the middle attack by jonadab · · Score: 2

      > Then you have the frequency the signal is broadcasted on
      > randomly shuffled based on the current time.

      You have assumed that the repeaters can't just blindly repeat
      all frequencies. (I'm not sure how they'd do that, but if they
      did, it would foil your frequency-switching encryption.)

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    3. Re:Man in the middle attack by jpmorgan · · Score: 2

      And RSA assumes I can't factor large numbers quickly. As far as I am aware, there's no way to rebroadcast a continuous spectrum of frequencies.

  49. A question by uradu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As others have already mentioned, unless the article had it all wrong, it seems that you're going about this the hard way. Why not create an encrypting FS driver along the lines of Scramdisk or DriveCrypt that always stores the disk data in encrypted form and only decrypts it upon reading? The token would then simply provide the key, and when it's not present, you simply can't decrypt the data, without requiring a lengthy de/encryption process each time you leave and return? In addition, you could make the driver smart enough to let you encrypt only certain directories, plus you could still keep the cache encryption functionality as it is now.

    1. Re:A question by mcorner · · Score: 2, Informative

      The article isn't wrong, just vague. For more details see the paper.

      However, what you describe is almost precisely how it works. The "walking away encryption" is only for the file CACHE in memory. The alternative is to bzero the cache which takes a lot less time. Unfortunately, recovery is equivalent to a cold cache which may annoy users with a lot of disk i/o.

      The data always sits on the disk encrypted. Otherwise reencrypting it would take forever.

  50. Hehe gotta love the spelling by Leeji · · Score: 2

    Don't mean to be a grammar nazi, but... from the don't-lost-your-watch dept

    Is that poor grammar, or just hedging their bets? The alternative is to misspell "lose" as "loose," which is definite grammar nazi fodder :)

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  51. Lost tokens? by MyHair · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What happens when the decryption key device fails or is lost or stolen?

    I'm a netadmin for some not-very-savvy users, and if I couldn't restore access to their data just by resetting their password then they are all in trouble.

    This is an issue for a lot of encryption solutions, not just this one. Is there a master key list somewhere than can be used to recover encrypted files or volumes or at least recreate the encryption key device? How long would that take? (This opens another discussion over security of the master list and key-changing and reencryption procedures for lost and stolen tokens.)

    And what if the device gets stolen? I have a security token that requires a PIN in conjunction with its security (both the PIN and device are needed for access), but in the case of this article the whole point seems to be to avoid entering a password or PIN.

  52. Facial Expressions by skinfitz · · Score: 2

    I think there should be some special facial expression that users have to do as a password.

    Hey it might be a silly idea but it would be damned funny to watch.

  53. Security by MyHair · · Score: 2

    (Disclaimer: USA Fortune 500 company bias)

    Every time I read about encryption and other security technologies I have to wonder how much effort it's all worth. Mainly I compare to physical security of paper, for example.

    In most businesses several people have keys to everyone's office. Think IT staff, janitorial staff, security staff, higher levels of management and facility maintenance. In my experience much of the information that might be desired by compromising computer security is readily available to many in paper form on a desk or in a filing cabinet. Okay, the filing cabinet key may not be shared by many.

    Briefcases and similar carry-alongs tote a lot of confidential paper.

    Encryption always worries me because it seems to easy to accidentally or forgetfully cause the data to be lost forever to everyone including the data 'owner' and his/her management.

    The parent post provides some good examples of how some computer security can be used against the 'protected' user.

    Well, I've sort of made my point, but I'm too tired to clarify it, so I'll stop here.

  54. Security-wise, this is still a PASSWORD issue by btellier · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At the beginning of the process, the user enters a password on the watch. "That's to make sure an imposter isn't wearing your token," Noble says. Then, each second, the laptop broadcasts a cryptographic request that only the token can correctly answer. This procedure, an exchange of cryptographic numbers, is a standard security measure.

    People will still use stupid passwords. GONG!. They'll use the same letter conventions that 99% of the population uses. I guarantee that one guy with a high-end laptop could walk through an office and guess 99% of the passwords within a few minutes. Or maybe they'll guess 1% and get the temp's password. Good enough, access to the internal network is almost always sufficient to own the rest of the network.

    There is no technology that will override stupidity.

  55. Re:Pacemaker plugin? by Chakotay · · Score: 2

    Publish the contents upon death? Now we only have to kill the user to get to his data without any inconvenient password cracking. Requires complete lack of conscience, but there are lots and lots of people who fulfill that requirement (heck, some people kill a friend over a fscking beer - let alone his encrypted pr0n collection), and it's a hell of a lot faster!

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  56. Biometrics are flawed by jpmorgan · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The whole 'something you are' rule is really dangerous. Almost every application I've seen of biometrics gets it wrong, and then there's the question of whether or not it's even practical at all.

    The fundamental problem with biometrics is that you can't change your keys. You have a set of fingerprints, retinal patterns, DNA sequences that are really pretty damn hard to change.

    Biometrics can only work with strong physical security to ensure that the tests aren't being compromised (i.e., someone hacking the device).

    To steal your password I have to look over your shoulder, and once done you can change it. To steal your authentication token, I have to pick your pockets, and once done you can get a new one. But I can pull your fingerprints from anything you touch, and you'll have a much, much harder time changing those.

    Biometrics are often portrayed as the panacea for authentication, but of the three 'seomthing you X', it's really the weakest. Haven't we learned yet that there's no such thing as a silver bullet?

    1. Re:Biometrics are flawed by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

      That's why, as the orignal poster said, it is important that it is coupled with one (or both) of the others to have real good security. Basically take any current setup and add biometrics and you have made it that much more secure.

      The idea is that each of these three things requires a different method of compramise. To get a token, like a key or a smartcard, you have to steal it physically from me. You also then have to use it before I notice it's gone and sound an alarm. To get a password, you either have to get me to tell you or intercept it somehow. Much harder than stealing my card BUT I'm not as likely to know, and if I don't know I really can't find out. With biometrics, you have to convince the system that you are me. As you say, possable with most biometrics, but by no means trivial.

      Now combine those three, and you will have real trouble. You have to intercept my password, figure out how to fake you are me, and steal my keycard and do that all (and get what you want) before I notice and invalidate the card and password.

      The two of those rule is applied to the new electronic access system on campus. Your student/employee ID opens doors, just by swiping it. Well for interior doors, they are satisfied with just that, for convenience sake. Not very secure, but when people are around during the day it's not like you can just walk into a restricted area unhindered. Buildings, however, require the card and a code. So even if you loose your card and don't notice (as soon as you notice you call it in and they invalidate the card's access) it's still no good. The combination is fairly hard to defeat since, as I said, you have to intercept the code AND get the card, then use it before both are invalidated.

    2. Re:Biometrics are flawed by afidel · · Score: 2

      Notice I didn't user fingerprinting as the biometric? Fingerprinting is fairly easy to fake as it is an exterior feature. Capilary patern detection of the retina is pretty darn hard to fake, especially when in infrared rather than optical camera is used. Combine this with reading the skull shape using infrared and it is basically unbreakable (not even identical twins will have the same retinal capilary patern). The point is that this is just one check out of three. The idea is that you have to fake out the biometrics, have physicall access to my token (or somehow have made something that replicates its functionality) AND know my passphrase. Taking security from simply passwords that can be sniffed or read off a postit note to that level is like comparing a pinto to a ferrari.

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  57. Been here before by AlecC · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember reading an article about a system like this years ago - running somewhere like ARM's labs in Cambridge. They were using it for desktops rather than laptops, but that is a detail. More importantly, they had hooked a load of other systems up to the ID. It provided the security access to the building - no more fiddling for cards, the door unlocks as you approach. Rather than just blanking off the screen as you waked away from one workstation, as you moved towards another workstation, it moved your "desktop" to that station, so that your work could "follow" you round the building. And, by detecting which room you were in, the phone system could route calls to you wherever you were.

    There are a lot of questions (privacy etc) about those other uses, but a system which gives you multiple returns from the single cost of wearing some kind of ID is much more likely to be adopted than a single dongle for a single job.

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  58. Is this really a new idea? by g4dget · · Score: 2
    Several HCI research groups have worked on tokens and user tracking before. Some, for example, have used IR beacons emitted from lapel tags that are received by IR receivers situated near computers in order to determine whether the user is near the computer or not, and as part of that, people have discussed automatic authentication schemes (including placing the cryptographic token into the beacon).

    The ZIA paper does describe a technically nice piece of work, and its specific approach may be novel. But the omission of references to prior work related to user tracking and ubiquitous computing approaches really leaves me wondering whether the authors have done their homework and whether this is really the first time that the method has been published. I think the authors would do well to track down more HCI references on beacons, wearable tags, physical user interfaces, and tracking.

    Note that, in terms of hardware, you can fairly easily implement such a system these days with a Bluetooth PDA (which you wear on your person) and a disk encryption card. The range for Bluetooth is perhaps a little far, but tinkering with the Bluetooth dongle and some conductive paint should fix that.

  59. Not New by Deathlizard · · Score: 2

    http://www.secure-it.com/products/linkit.htm

    although Zia is different and more powerful in many ways from this system, the basic idea is there, (when you walk away it secures the laptop.)

  60. Overly complicated. by TerryAtWork · · Score: 2

    What they should do is have transparent encryption on the disk and let the user turn it off with a ctrl-alt-del-like key sequence then use a password when he gets back to turn it back on.

    I bet that's out there somewhere.

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  61. This is spooky by infolib · · Score: 2

    Imagine when everyone has a bunch of RFID cards like that. Then you could uniquely identify a person by the combined signature of his cards. Now all Big Brother has to do is to put up scanners in crowded places, feeding results into the TIA database. Welcome to Minority Report.

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  62. Re:Pacemaker plugin? by DoctorPhish · · Score: 2

    Publishing implied things that people would rather didn't get out; ie. blackmail etc. ^_^;

  63. Wireless authentication has been done before by Coward+Anonymous · · Score: 2

    A now defunct company, First Access, did "Vicinity Authentication" in 1998. The product used a proprietary RF/IR card and sensor combination. The card could be worn anywhere and the sensor would hook up to RS-232. It was cryptographically secure and worked well. Several untis were sold to German and Australian companies. Unfortunately, First Access' management didn't know what to do with themselves and the company died a slow painful death.