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In-Depth Look At Matrix Previews
QuietKarma writes "Consider this the first of next year's ads for Matrixx Reloaded and Matrixx Revolutions releases. Here's some semi-official poop from MSNBC with some spoilers. Or you can do what I did and read about halfway through without learning how Reloaded will end. Either that or wait until Harry at Ain't It Cool News comes out with his list of spoilers."
The movie is so hotly anticipated that they've added another 'x' to each title...
Either that or both feature a lot of pole dancing in Zion...
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Dunno about soup or cabbage... ...all I know is... ...there is no spoon.
I hope that in a few years when WB sells a boxed set of all the Matrix movies, they include The Animatrix along with it. Animatrix looks to be the most unique title in the series, and probably the most eclectic mix of cartoons ever made.
Am I missing something or did the submitter of a story about the Matrix sequels really misspell "Matrix" twice?
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
So the Matrix will be Reloaded, then overthrown in a Revolution.
Meanwhile, LOTR will continue to the overthrow of Mordor and the restoration of Gondor.
The war between Mutants and non-Mutants will begin in X-Men 2.
Anakin must become Darth Vader in Episode 3.
Harry Potter will get another installment in there somewhere.
Mad Max will ride again.
James Bond...
And Oh, yeah, did you hear that Dumb and Dumber is getting a prequel?
I myself LOVE sequels, if they don't suck. I just hope that they put all of the Matrix Movies and all of the LOTR movies in the IMAX theater after it's all said and done so that the die-hards can see the films the way they were meant to be seen.
From the column of Mark Millar, comic book writer:
"A baby-sitter two nights in a row is close to impossible in our family so I stuck on my old copy of The Matrix as a poor sub for a night out. It was the first time Gill had ever seen it and she actually managed to ruin it for me completely by pointing out a major plot hurdle the next two films really better explain. We're all living in The Matrix, right? We're all slaves to the robotic parasites who use our bodies as batteries while they distract us with our nice, glamorous lives in what we perceive to be the real world, right? Neo is The One who's going to free us from these evil robot masters and help us all wake up and reclaim our planet, right? So far, so good, but the world we reclaim is a post-nuclear nightmare, brother! No sun, no fun, no food, no nice clothes, no new comics every Wednesday or Thursday. Imagine everything and everyone you know suddenly switching off as you open your eyes in your little special effects pod and Lawrence bloody Fishburne is standing there with a nuclear winter blowing behind him, telling us he's saved humanity.
Thanks a lot, Morpheus, you big, fucking twat."
dispite the recent 'jackass' stunts done on tv, a teenager will try to jump into another person, or jump off a cliff, or get into a telephone booth while getting a dump truck to smash into them... and then joe lieberman will want these movies controlled :)
Runnin' On Empty
You aren't seriously confused about this, are you?
Carpe Deez
You're not kidding about the spoilers, it almost gives away the entire end climax for "The Matrix Reloaded". I only skimmed the article but it seems like a quite informative read given that I knew very little about parts 2 and 3 prior. It is also interesting to note the following:-
Silver is promising a climactic battle like we've never seen before: a 17-minute sequence that alone cost about two thirds of the budget of the first "Matrix." (That film, in case you're wondering, cost $65 million.)
Given the recent discussions about the climatic battle in The Towers, and the Clone Wars in Episode which I found impressive, it seems to be the selling point of these movies and is making bigger and badder battles.
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You mean we don't win in the end? Come on, we're going to see the Wizard of Oz at the end right? And realize he's just a man behind a green curtain. Oh, I'm gonna wish for a new brain.... :)
"This isn't a study in computer science, its a study in human behavior"
Since in the sequels he'll be required to act more than dumbfounded, I'm not confident that he will be able to pull it off. Maybe that's why they're releasing bang-bang, one right after the other.
BTW, I have the same thoughts about casting in the Terminator, Arnold didn't have to act either. A perfect role.
I for one am really looking forward to seeing how the series ends. The first was a great movie. Usually sequels are not that great, but then again, this is not a sequel.
"Previews 6 months before the movie, geez.
Overhype maybe?"
Maybe, though not unusual these days. LOTR2 and T3 both started promos six months or MORE (T3) before the anticipated date of 1st showing, and there are probably others. I dont go to movies that often, but those are the 2 I noticed.
p.s. I also think the extra 'x' thing needs to be explained... Did I miss something?
We need to see all those millions(?) of people being used as batteries become self aware and kick the shite out of the machines in the real world.
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Reloaded and Revolutions are sequels to Matrix 1.
The next 2 that come out will be the prequels.
So, the lineup looks like:
Prequel 1
Prequel 2
The Matrix
Matrix Reloaded
Matris Revolutions
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We need to see all those millions(?) of people being used as batteries become self aware and kick the shite out of the machines in the real world.
No we don't. This is why I feel that there is no reason for a sequel. As usual Hollywood in their pursuit of money is overtelling another story. The first Matrix was great, pelnty of substance, and really overachieved as far as my expectations were concerned. The sequels will most likely be nothing more than standard action movies.
Kinda like sequel's to Highlander
I'm the big fish in the big pond bitch.
So, the article says that they capture the keymaker who has all the keys to the doors in the matrix.
I hope that this movie is a little more than Neo and Trinity slapping the keymaker around in a room on the Nebuchadnezzar, yelling "sign my certificate! SIGN MY CERTIFICATE! SIGN IT NOW!"
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
1. Morpheus didn't die.
2. Neo didn't "beat" the Matrix.
I'm really not looking forward to a sequel. The original was well done and a good movie. The sequels will be nothing but overtold action flicks. However, the justification can be made, without plot holes, for sequels, I just don't feel that they SHOULD be made.
I'm the big fish in the big pond bitch.
"The Matrix" borrowed heavily from several sources, mostly comic books, Japanese anime and Asian kung fu movies (graphic). "But I think people misunderstand art when they say things like that," says Pope. "Once you filter an influence through yourself, it's not the same thing anymore--if you really filter it. There's a film vocabulary out there, and it's for everybody to use."
This is exactly why copyright should fall in the public domain after a short time.
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Not a problem. there wasn't any story in the original.
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Most over-rated movie... EVER.
"Enough of this wretched, whining monkey life." -- Marcus Aurelius, _Meditations_, Book 9, 37
No way. If you ask me, they've been pretty conservative (or, at least, standard) with The Matrix. Hell, I've seen marketing devices (posters, cardboard cutouts, etc) and previews for movies up to a year in advance of the release (Captain Corelli's Mandolin comes to mind).
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Actually, I've had this discussion with some friends of mine. The fact is, the first Matrix movie was, for all intents and purposes, incredibly hokey (I know it, you know it... but we loved it anyway :). The acting was... well... horrible, and the plot, while interesting, was not *that* innovative (although, I rather enjoyed it). BUT, the movie had two things: incredble action, and style. There was something interesting and unique about the feel of The Matrix. But now, with Hollywood copying many of the styalistic elements (eg. the fight scene choreography), The Matrix sequels may not provide the same bang that the original did.
;). So, if they simply match the original Matrix in style and form, they will be relatively unoriginal and people will accuse them of simplying "copying" the first movie. Hence, the question $65,000 becomes: how will the Wachowski brothers one-up themselves for the sequels. I have no idea, but I'm sure looking forward to finding out. :)
So, we have a problem: the sequels will be just as hokey as the original. This is undeniable (after all, Keanu is still in them
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gollum was WAY too cutesy. gollum is a villainous wretch of a creature, corrupted by absolute evil for over 500 years. it is true he had a pathetic, obsequious side, but jackson made him WAY too likeable....
and gimli was unfairly cast as a clown. the guy killed 49 orcs during one battle in the book but he can't keep up with aragorn and legolas during their manly run in the movie.
and how did merry and pippin not only manage to TRICK treebeard into destroying isengard, but they also ensured that the whole lot of other ents were in the woods when treebeard conveniently got hot. very cheap and prostethic, the usual hollywood crapola....
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Actually, I never once thought Gollum was cute... unfortunately, some of the scenes where Gollum appeared funny were probably not deliberate. For example, when he was "fighting" with himself... many people laughed in the theatre, whereas I felt pity for him. And that was the point: I started to feel for Gollum. He was taken by the ring and used. He couldn't control his destiny, and now he finds himself twisted and warped. And at the same time, Gollum serves as a mirror for Frodo; an image of what he could become if he is not strong enough. So, Gollum also provides additional insight into the struggle Frodo is enduring.
As for the way he is depicted, in the books, he fawns over Frodo, at first, because Frodo is the first person to ever take pity on him and be kind to him. Later, of course, it becomes an act when Frodo effectively betrays him (probably one of the more heartwrenching scenes in the movie and the books, as, at that point, Gollum is truly foresaken) and Gollum decides to lead him into Shelob's lair.
Now, as for Gimli... I couldn't agree more. Dwarves are depicted in the books as strong, honourable, and dignified, if a little bit stupid and greedy at times (eg, The Hobbit). But to turn him into comic relief went much too far, IMHO.
Seriously, "The Matrix" was released back in 1999. Four years to the sequel(s) isn't a short wait. Personally, I'm glad they're releasing them both within such a short span.
The last sequel I waited a long time for (and wasn't even sure they'd make) was Beverly Hills Cop III. Seven years, and it wasn't even that good. Let's hope the Newsweek article is right and the upcoming Matrix sequels will be worth the wait.
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...that a supposedly "futuristic" movie has to devolve into car chases?
Hollywood...we blow things up.
I'm pretty sure I was the first to preview this movie, I collected scraps from the Warner Bros cutting room floor and was able to piece together an in-depth review:
http://www.stephenvandyke.com/?p=article&id=21 06
Hammer of Truth
That was about all I knew about The Matrix when I went into the theater (I had seen the trailer) and I was blown away. Completely surprised by the plot and the details. Because of this I am avoiding any spoilers for the next two. I wouldn't want to know what to expect. Though it is tempting to know what happens I will resist!
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You, my friend, have just explained away all religion. I hope you're proud of yourself!
Seriously, consider what you've said in the context of the casting out from the Garden of Eden of Adam and Eve. They tasted of the fruit of the tree of knowledge, they desired to be like God in the one manner which God had forbidden them. They learned the truth and fell from grace. Ignorance was bliss, as living in ignorance is as living in Paradise. As we grow in knowledge, we desire to return to the innocence of our ignorant youth. Hence, by tempting Eve with the fruit of the tree, Satan became both Man's damnation and teacher. And, in consideration of what you say about choosing truth, Lucifer is The Messiah, who freed us from ignorance.
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Centropolis was NOT doing the majority of the CGI work - they were doing a minimum amount of work.... around 100 shots. And that work has been moved over to Sony Pictures Imageworks who is more than capable.
The article mentions how the Matrix used ideas from other stories, and I see a Key Maker is an integral part of the plot. Could this be none other than Vince Clortho, the Keymaster of Gozer?
Out of work these many years and demoted to Key Maker, he has aligned himself with the uber-machines in an attempt to regain control of the mortal realm. Can Neo defeat the Sta-Puft Marshmallow Battle Droid? Will Morpheus and Trinity have to cross their streams? Only time will tell!
(Before anyone tries to debunk this by pointing out that the Key Maker is played by "a tiny Asian man", have you seen any pictures of Rick Moranis lately?)
Read about The Matrix' bad movie Physics from the Insultingly Stupid Movie Physics Page
No, this time, there going to use a 2D matrix ... and they need a way to index it :)
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Beating the Matrix isn't that hard. Up down Up Down Left Right Left Right B A B A Start (the sequence he used to be Morpheus) gave him Thirty Lives. They just edited out the other 28 attempts to improve to flow of the film.
There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
Uhh, yeah, that means I didn't read the story. Or it COULD mean that I knew they were planned in advance I STILL feel they aren't needed... which they aren't.
I'm the big fish in the big pond bitch.
Nice try at BS'ing... and it would make a cool plot twist. The only problem is that agents are electronic and computerized entities. The don't have human bodies. Unless Neo were an android, which I'm sure they would have realized as they were rebuilding his body etc etc, that plot twist is a no-fly.
Still thing it would be cool though.
If you haven't seen Equilibrium yet (or have no idea what I'm talking about), do yourself a favor and go take a look.
Reason I mention it in this thread is that some of the influences are the same, most people who liked The Matrix will like this, and it's too good a movie to die this quickly. I saw it last Thursday, and was astounded by it. Sure, there are a lot of cool fight scenes, but it's also a good movie, doing certain things you didn't expect (several bits of foreshadowing are slick), has an actual story, good acting, good dialog, makes you think, and overall is a great movie.
Go see it.
"Sometimes a woman is a kind of religion, she can save your soul & set you free from all your sins" - Bad Examples
Obviously, you didn't read the article, which essenciallly addresses all of the problems you just brought it.
Is it original (plot wise)? Not entirly, but no one else had put those combinations of things together before. And is any art entirely original, or is it a re-interpretation of someone else ideas.
Were the effects original and can they be out-done? Yes. No one had ever done things like that before, which is why everyone tried to rip it off. They claim to have done amazing new things which will be impossible for people without huge budgets to rip off.
Cire
I'm afraid we can't pin the whole "humans-as-batteries" thing on The Matrix. Stephen King had that little nugget of joy working in The Tommyknockers more than a decade before Neo first said "Whoa".
I think the real reason the machines would keep people around after taking over the earth is quite simple. Without humans, the machines wouldn't have anything to do. Do you honestly think that once the machines took over they would be able to keep themselves occupied for more than a few minutes without humans?
Let's face it, no matter how sentient machines may become, they're most likely still going to be constrained by some finite-valued logic system. They need us for new ideas. Without new ideas, they'll have nothing to do. With nothing to do, they might as well not exist.
Then there's Star Wars, which is pushing 30 years to finish a story which can be summed up as "Faction takes over galaxy, nefarious faction leader subverts powerful good guy, child of subverted good guy reconverts dad, who kills nefarious faction leader, presumably freeing galaxy."
Seriously, I've had friends (well, one, but one's enough) born around or after Episode IV who didn't live long enough to see Episode II. I don't want a movie to cover a major span of my life. It's entertainment. Give it to me over a shorter span, or don't expect me to get too invested in it. These guys get major credit from me for shooting the movies simultaneously and not making me wait 5 years for the conclusion.
I guess this means that the MPAA boycott is off....
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It would have been so easy to say the machines used human brains as CPUs, and that's why they kept us around, instead of the battery rubbish.
I assume that in the later films we must find out that Morpheus was wrong about the reason the machnes are keeping humans around.
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Isn't it spelled Matrix... unless, of course, Redd Foxx wrote the storyline.
Trolling is a art,
Have you, by chance, been away for a very long time in a place without access to mainstream media?
There are three movies in the series. "The Matrix" was the first one. We've already seen that one, by the way. "The Matrix Reloaded" will be the second. "The Matrix Revolutions" will be the third. And that's pretty much all there is. No prequels. Just the three. Or am I missing something in your post?
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I stopped reading this article halfway through. I don't want to know ANY of this... and see no benefit to reading the rest of the article, except you will no longer be surprised when some things happen.
Berto
I think what is the worst is that they are releasing two sequels the same year. Whatever happened to waiting, speculation, and hype?
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Yeah, because look how well that idea worked for the dot.com industry
Code, Hardware, stuff like that.
"So, even according to the Bible itself, blind obedience like the one that Religion demands, is a Sin."
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Lol. Seeing as grand generalizations are almost always wrong, you want to stand by the statement that nowhere in the bible does it say to just believe? Or that it says somewhere that blind belief/faith is a sin?
References please?
LOL. I guess you have a point :P
Nothing, to each his own, but for me the Matrix was a great movie, I hate to see it degenerate (that's obviously MHO) into just an action movie. They're boring as far as I'm concerned.
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I just followed my friends in to see it one night and was completely blown away. Why, oh why didn't *I* take the blue pill? That was the first movie in many years I went out of my way to see several times in the theater; and have seen several more times since then on video and DVD. I skimmed these articles; and am an avid viewer of whatisthematrix.com, but I am trying to avoid spoilers myself because I hope that the next two are the equals of their predecessor.
I think with the interesting people, their lives can't possibly be wrapped up into a nice little package.
The whole Humans as Power Source part of the Matrix really bothered me. The machines would entrap humans only if they needed a resource that only humans could provide. That resource is not energy. I don't care how many BTUs of energy the human body produces, the machines could get more energy by combining "a form of fusion" in rats, cockroaches, or maybe algae. Any of those life forms would be far simpler to care for and less rebellious too.
So I've concluded that Morpheus is somewhat incorrect (GASP) and that the machines are using humans as hard drives, not batteries. Think about it. This explains the Matrix a lot better. We know that the Agents can "possess" any human by "teleporting" into them. This is essentially copying their entire data into that human's brain at amazing bandwidth. We can assume that with its great interconnectivity and ability to store huge quantities of data such as video and audio, the human mind is one of the only appropriate storage mediums for the machines. This would explain why the machines create a world that attempts to stimulate the human brain as opposed to inducing a comatose state or inflicting the newborne humans with mental retardation: Only a healthy mind makes an acceptable organic host for the machines.
This line of thinking even hints at a possible resolution for the entire series: The humans could help the Machines invent a replacement storage medium besides human brains. Any information medium with data density equal the human brain should be sufficient. Then the machines could agree to float off into space and inhabit only worlds inhospitable to humans. (There are plenty.) This would leave the humans free to live out their lives on M class planets, although I suspect they would only pollute them to death anyway. (Agent Smith was pretty accurate in his assesment of industrial humans as viral.)
I've wanted to get this off my chest for a long time, now that I've posted on slashdot I can consider myself heard. ; -)
It's also important to note they aern't sequels, they are one year interludes while they finish the CG elements for the next movie.
The year is like a big long intermission.
It makes alot more sense if you think of it that way.
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Keanu has his own style and put everything he had into that movie
Yep, and that's the problem, really.
Troll, I know, but please ppl, face facts - Keanu Reeves' best work was Bill and Ted, a movie in which the main requirement was to act badly but look cool. A job which he did well, for the same reason that Hervé Villechaize was good at being short.
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