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Who Really Invented The Telegraph?

Fat Boy unslim writes "It's been 250 years since the publication of a paper describing the theory behind sending messages down a wire using electricity. Unfortunately, no one knows who wrote it." If you thought the answer was as simple as "Morse," this article may come as a surprise.

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  1. Had to be Al Gores great great great grandfather. by Typingsux · · Score: 4, Funny
    Who else?

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  2. It could be none other than... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Hedy Lamarr.

    1. Re:It could be none other than... by paganizer · · Score: 1

      Actually, she invented spread spectrum technology, and of course a better homing torpedo guidance system.

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  3. Uh-oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    How long before this site is slash-dot-dot-dot-dash-dot-dash-dotted?

  4. Inventor of the Telegraph? by slipgun · · Score: 1

    I thought everyone knew it was Charles Moore.

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    1. Re:Inventor of the Telegraph? by dubbayu_d_40 · · Score: 1
      He was on my list of suggestions too, but he was fourth....

      I'm voting for Charles Manson.

    2. Re:Inventor of the Telegraph? by BenjyD · · Score: 1

      Now there's a Telegraph we could do without.

    3. Re:Inventor of the Telegraph? by slipgun · · Score: 1

      I don't know about that, it's the most libertarian mainstream paper in Britain.

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  5. I did by geekoid · · Score: 3, Funny

    and thanks for finding that. you all own me 1 penny per sine wave ever sent down a wire, however I will generously give you the amplitude under a GPL liscense.

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    1. Re:I did by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 2, Funny

      hmmmm...if I send a square wave down a wire, can I get a discount for all the sine waves I used to make the square wave? :P

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    2. Re:I did by geekoid · · Score: 1

      If you send a pefect square wave, you can send it free, however you immediatly turn over all right to me that involved creating a square wave with no ramp.

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    3. Re:I did by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Sure, please send me your address, plus $2.50(US) for Shipping and handling.

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  6. Let the inevitable Al Gore slams begin ... by stinkyfingers · · Score: 2, Funny

    Someone work in a Microsoft slam, too. I need my fix.

    1. Re:Let the inevitable Al Gore slams begin ... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Someone work in a Microsoft slam, too. I need my fix."

      In other related news, MS sued Renfrew's descendents over patents relating to the point and click interface that they invented.

      Hmm... let's see, I involved Microsoft and a rather obvious abuse of patents, that should get me a +1 Funny, right? Damn, I wish I could think of a way to work AMD's overheating into it too, that would have been a slam dunk +1.

  7. From the article.... by Chester+K · · Score: 4, Funny

    ground-breaking paper was simply signed with the initials "CM, Renfrew"

    CM obviously stands for CowboyMeal, which is CowboyNeal's pen name.

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    1. Re:From the article.... by governorx · · Score: 2, Funny

      Although cowbotkneel's penmenship is hard to read. CM actually stands for chief monkey. Yes, they had a thousand monkeys but no typewriters, so instead of shakespear they got electrical information transfer.

  8. The Victorian Internet by Hanashi · · Score: 5, Informative
    If you really want the reference for the technical and social history of the telegraph, check out Tom Standage's The Victorian Internet: The Remarkable Story of the Telegraph and Nineteenth Century's On-Line Pioneers.

    I read this book shortly after it came out in paperback, and I have to say that it's fascinating. It discusses various early telegraph systems in detail, including those not using electricity at al. More importantly, it draws startling parallels between the telegraph's influence on 19th century society and the Internet's influence today, especially during the dotcom boom. This is a must-read for the true geek.

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    1. Re:The Victorian Internet by blamanj · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes. Great book,it also points out that the telegraph originally did not even require electricity and wires. It was done with signaling mirrors. Of course, Greeks and American Indians used signal fires, but not as a continuous information architecture the way the telegraph was.

    2. Re:The Victorian Internet by uberdave · · Score: 2, Funny

      So! Early long distance communication was done using smoke and mirrors?

    3. Re:The Victorian Internet by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      Yes. Worldcom has been around for A LONG time.

  9. Wow by CausticWindow · · Score: 1

    Disputes between would-be-inventors of obvious things? Who would've expected that?

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  10. I think I found him by long_john_stewart_mi · · Score: 4, Funny

    EXACTLY 250 years ago today, a Scottish inventor penned a theory that led to the electric telegraph and the mobile phone.

    I have a neighbor that looks about that age, maybe it was him.

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    1. Re:I think I found him by Snowbeam · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or could it have been Connor Mcleod of the clan Mcleod?

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    2. Re:I think I found him by pingflood · · Score: 1
      Does he go "I warned ya, didn't I warn ya? That telegraph was forged by Lucifer himself!" a lot?

    3. Re:I think I found him by GQuon · · Score: 1

      Sure it wasn't Marty McFly of the clan McFly? Often seen hanging around with a strange guy called "Doc"?

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  11. CM by freeb · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wow...Configuration Management actually accomplished something! :)

  12. Morse invented the serial port :) by hpa · · Score: 5, Informative

    Morse certainly didn't invent the first electrical telegraph; he just invented the most practical one. Most of the previous electrical telegraphs had been either analog and highly unreliable or required multiple wires; some were even both.

    The Morse telegraph required only one wire (the return went through the Earth), which was a huge cost savings in the time before cheap insulation, and yet was a binary on/off transmission with the associated reliability advantages. The original Morse code (sometimes called "railway Morse") used four symbol lengths; once the Morse telegraph spread and eventually went wireless the "international Morse code" simplified this to only two symbol lengths; this is the code which is invariably used even today.

    1. Re:Morse invented the serial port :) by rgmoore · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Morse certainly didn't invent the first electrical telegraph; he just invented the most practical one.

      This is, of course, true of a lot of classic inventions. The person who is given popular credit for inventing them isn't necessarily somebody who built the thing from scratch, or even the first person who made one that really worked. It's usually the person who made the final few tweaks that pushed an invention from being an interesting curiosity or a minor but useful device into something that had widespread applicability. In many cases there's something of a tipping point. Until a key technological hurdle is crossed, the device is so impractical that nobody is willing to invest a lot of time, effort, and money into improving it. But when it crosses some threshold of practicality, it starts attracting capital investment that causes it to improve and spread into more and more applications, which draws more investment, and so on.

      A classic case is James Watt and the steam engine. Steam engines had been in use long before Watt came along, but they were fuel hogs that were limited to use at coal mines where there was plenty of fuel just sitting around. Watt figured out a way of radically improving their efficiency (by using an external condenser) and thus pushed them from being an isolated curiosity to being a major industrial workhorse.

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    2. Re:Morse invented the serial port :) by Our+Man+In+Redmond · · Score: 1

      this is the code which is invariably used even today.

      Not invariably. Last I heard there were still some amateur radio nets for people who enjoy using American Morse code. They're probably few and far between, though, and getting fewer and farther as time goes on.

      Elements of American Morse still pepper ham radio procedure today, actually. Probably the most widespread example is the signoff code "didididahdit daaaaaaaah", often incorrectly transliterated into International Morse as "SK" because those are the characters it sounds the most like. In reality that last dah is supposed to be a longer than normal one, and the symbol is American Morse for "30", which in early telegraph procedure meant "end of message. (This is also the origin of the mark "# # # 30 # # #" you often see at the bottom of press releases and similar documents.)

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    3. Re:Morse invented the serial port :) by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      " ...this is the code which is invariably used even today."

      Morse code was recently used by the United States on July 4, 1997 to mobilize the largest international airbattle of recorded history. Apple deserves some of the credit too, though.

    4. Re:Morse invented the serial port :) by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Morse code was recently used by the United States on July 4, 1997 to mobilize the largest international airbattle of recorded history. Apple deserves some of the credit too, though. "

      Psst: It was 1996. July 4th, 1997 is when the Americans recovered the galaxy on Orion's belt and returned it to an angry agressor.

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    5. Re:Morse invented the serial port :) by hpa · · Score: 1

      Actually the symbol ...-.- (written @ or ) is the recognized International Morse Code symbol for End of Text, equivalent to ASCII 04h .

      It might have a history from old American Morse, but it's nothing "incorrect" about it being used in International Morse Code.

      It is *not* ... -.- (SK), just as the I.M.C. distress call is the single symbol ...---... () and not the three letters ... --- ... (SOS).

    6. Re:Morse invented the serial port :) by hpa · · Score: 2, Informative
      ARGH... Slashdot butchered the <> in this message, even though I had it set to "Plain Old Text".

      It was supposed to say:

      Actually the symbol ...-.- (written @ or <SK>) is the recognized International Morse Code symbol for End of Text, equivalent to ASCII 04h .

      It might have a history from old American Morse, but it's nothing "incorrect" about it being used in International Morse Code.

      It is not ... -.- (SK), just as the I.M.C. distress call is the single symbol ...---... (<SOS>) and not the three letters ... --- ... (SOS).

    7. Re:Morse invented the serial port :) by xnixman · · Score: 1

      Morse and Watt had to wait until the patent's expired.

      Dan

  13. Re:Had to be Al Gores great great great grandfathe by loknor · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm not sure who invented it but I think I know what one of the first messages was:

    Dear Sir

    I am calling to help you lower your long distance calling rates

    Please respond

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  14. Give societies their due by Autonymous+Toaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I suspect the question of "who invented this first" is often the wrong one to ask. It's natural to seek a simple, contained explanation for these things, but in reality almost anything that's more than trivial has a longer history to follow than just the inspiration of one person (or intelligence).

    For instance just as another example, the question of who invented the toaster seems like it might have a short answer, but the truth is that this pinnacle of culinary automation is the result of thousands of years of refinement.

    I certainly don't want to play down the importance of any one individual in inventing toasters or telegraphs, but that also means we can't play down all the others before them. So instead we might ask "what process was involved in creating X". The answer will probably be more interesting too.

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    1. Re:Give societies their due by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 1

      Dagnabbit, my mod points ran out yesterday. Just wanted to give you a pseudo-mod +1 Great Post.

    2. Re:Give societies their due by JAZ · · Score: 3, Informative

      Reminds me of a great show a few years back called Connections (I think.) I should know the name of the host and find some links, but I don't have any and my first google attempt didn't help.

      Basically it followed the flow of technology backwards. Like "The space shuttle would not have been possible with out an ancient egyptian plow." and then documents key technologies that make up a modern civilization.

      Anyway it was a great show.

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    3. Re:Give societies their due by pubjames · · Score: 3, Informative

      James Burke's connections:

      http://home.earthlink.net/~billotto/Connections. ht ml

      I remember it being very compelling to watch.

    4. Re:Give societies their due by Gumshoe · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Basically it followed the flow of technology backwards. Like "The space shuttle would not have been possible with out an ancient egyptian plow." and then documents key technologies that make up a modern civilization.


      Found in my email archives...

      The US standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet 8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used? Because that's the way they built them in England, and English expatriates built the US railroads.

      Why did the English build them like that? Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used.

      Why did 'they' use that gauge then? Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing.

      Okay! Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing? Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts.

      So who built those old rutted roads? The first long distance roads in Europe (and England) were built by Imperial Rome for their legions. The roads have been used ever since. And the ruts? Roman war chariots first made the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels and wagons. Since the chariots were made for, or by Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing.

      Thus, we have the answer to the original question. The United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches derives from the original specification for an Imperial Roman war chariot.

      Specifications and bureaucracies live forever. So, the next time you are handed a specification and wonder which horse's rear came up with it, you may be exactly right. Because the Imperial Roman war chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two war-horses.

      And now, the twist to the story...

      There's an interesting extension to the story about railroad gauges and horses' behinds. When we see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. Thiokol makes the SRBs at their factory in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRBs would have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the factory had to run through a tunnel in the mountains. The SRBs had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track is about as wide as two horse behinds.

      So, a major design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was determined by the width of a horse's rear! Are we stuck in a rut?
    5. Re:Give societies their due by tbmaddux · · Score: 1
      ... the question of who invented the toaster seems like it might have a short answer, but the truth is that this pinnacle of culinary automation is the result of thousands of years of refinement.
      Thousands?!? You'd think if this were true we'd be finding the bodies of dead electrocuted cavemen still clutching forks trying to get their burnt toast back from their early design attempts.

      Hell, my toaster is so dangerous I'm surprised the human race survived at all. We should have been wiped out in some sort of primordial toaster cataclysm. Maybe that's what killed the dinosaurs?

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    6. Re:Give societies their due by tbmaddux · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, the old railroad track width due to deprecated specs from Roman times. Refuted by snopes.

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    7. Re:Give societies their due by unitron · · Score: 1

      James somebody, writes a column for Scientific American, interesting and entertaining.

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    8. Re:Give societies their due by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 1

      This is a nice idea, but continental Europe uses a different gauge. Again, some of the original road infrastructure was built by the Romans, but they have a slightly different width between the wheels. I can't imagine the Romans having different chariots for England than the rest of their conquests.

  15. Re:Had to be Al Gores great great great grandfathe by macdaddy357 · · Score: 1

    CM = Charles Manson!

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  16. Other information on CM's identity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Pasted From: http://www.globusz.com/ebooks/Telegraph/00000011.h tm

    The identity of 'C. M.,' who dated his letter from Renfrew, has not been established beyond a doubt. There is a tradition of a clever man living in Renfrew at that time, and afterwards in Paisley, who could 'licht a room wi' coal reek (smoke), and mak' lichtnin' speak and write upon the wa'.' By some he was thought to be a certain Charles Marshall, from Aberdeen; but it seems likelier that he was a Charles Morrison, of Greenock, who was trained as a surgeon, and became connected with the tobacco trade of Glasgow. In Renfrew he was regarded as a kind of wizard, and he is said to have emigrated to Virginia, where he died.

    1. Re:Other information on CM's identity by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 1

      From the 2 first lines I figured you meant CM = Clever Man. :)

      I guess not.

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    2. Re:Other information on CM's identity by Cy+Guy · · Score: 2, Informative

      This link to an online book on the history of the Telegraph has a similar (identical?) account.

      More interesting (to me anyway), is the text of the actual letter to the Scots' Magazine which can be found here.

      Both describe the system as using individual wires to which would be electrified using the spark from a Leyden jar, and depending on which wire you electrified, you would know which letter was being represented. Much of the decription could be used to credit CM with the invetnion of the telephone pole as well, since he/she describes how the wires would need to be suspended and insulated at the suspension points.

      Curious though, is that it was originally identified as means for transmitting intelligence, yet the plan for constructing it was published in a magazine - an early proponent of Open Source I guess.

      The second link also indicates that work on electric was performed as early as 1746 coinciding with the invention of the Leyden Jar itself, so I think the current Scotsman article may be a bit biased when it claims this CM is the real inventor of electric telegraphy. And that in the 1780's a system was proposed that would have used either a 5-bit or 6-bit 'binary' system for sending the signals over fewer wires - by having different combinations of wires signal each character (ie 00001 = A, 00010 = B, 00011 = C, etc.)

    3. Re:Other information on CM's identity by Willard+B.+Trophy · · Score: 1
      A clever man living in Renfrew or Paisley? C'mon, I'm from the area, and I know this is highly unlikely.

      Mind you, leaving the area is a sign of great intelligence ...

    4. Re: Other information on CM's identity by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


      > The identity of 'C. M.,' who dated his letter from Renfrew, has not been established beyond a doubt. There is a tradition of a clever man living in Renfrew at that time

      Clearly then, "C.M." stands for "clever man".

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  17. The answer is obvious by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Funny
    It was Scotty. That's right: Captain Montgomery Scott. First he came back in time and invented transparent aluminum. Then, going further back in time and visiting the ancestral manse, he decided to invent the telephone/telegraph.

    But what of the signature "CM Renfrew"? Captain Montgomery from Renfrew. Why no S for Scott? Unnecessary. Everyone from Renfrew (in those days) was a Scott. It was the ancestral home. It's so obvious, it's silly.

  18. Re:And while were at it by gpinzone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Edison wasn't a thief, but he certaintly wasn't a "creator." He was an "adaptor." He took other people's ideas that were half-baked and unfinished and actually made them work. The ancient Greeks created lots of stuff, but the Romans perfected many of them.

  19. Re:Just more Brits trying to take credit from Yank by Giltron · · Score: 1

    actually Philo Farnsworth invented the television

  20. Re:Had to be Al Gores great great great grandfathe by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 1

    Really? I thought it was either an offer to refinance someone's mortgage or to tell them they'd won a trip to London.

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  21. Geography? by siskbc · · Score: 1
    First, I'll take your 10 bucks...

    I'm sure Marcino picked some obscure Scottish town he'd never heard of, and picked a Scottish journal. Since he hated recognition and all. Oh, and he was born in 1874 - which was just a BIT late.

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  22. Re:Let me guess... by gorilla · · Score: 1

    There is no political correctness to say that America spent a long time establishing itself, with the opening frontier, and because of this, Europe was where the majority of inventions were developed. Obviously this changed over time, but looking at inventions in the late 1800's, Europe definatly contributed the majority.

  23. Whoever it was... by Bendebecker · · Score: 1

    Was probably bought out by MicroMorse.

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  24. Re:Fluff by Doppleganger · · Score: 2, Informative

    Renfew is the name of the town, not the person. All they have is a paper signed with the initials "C.M." and a location of Renfew, which is a far cry from knowing who the paper was written by.

  25. Root of the problem by captainstupid · · Score: 1

    Obviously, if the original inventor had secured his IP rights through patents early on, he would have been credited for his idea instead of being doomed to languish in obscurity.

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  26. Re:Tesla invented the radio, not Marconi by SteveAstro · · Score: 1

    Bollocks. Hertz gets the main credit, and Marconi's use of the lodge-Muirhead coherer was what beat Tesla hollow.

    Tesla had some good ideas, but a lot of very very bad ones too. Live with it.

    Steve

  27. Re:Addendum by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

    "Guglielmo Marconi"

    You mean that guy who knocked off Tesla's invention?

  28. Does it matter? by Malfeas · · Score: 1
    Really, what does it matter who invented it? The fact that it was invented is important. Monetarily speaking, it is important in today's world for people to be able to prove that they invented Invention A, but for something long since incorporated into our lives (not to mention the inventor is long since deceased, whoever it may be) it just doesn't make sense.

    Certainly, we can't forget our history, but in this case, who invented it is irrelevant; the fact that it was invented is. The recognition of a name is, frankly, petty.

    1. Re:Does it matter? by praksys · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Try to imagine a history text in which all of the names have been replaced with labels like "person x". Putting names to the people who made history is important for all sorts of reasons. Here are some of them:

      (1) Reading history would be tedious if it ceased to be about particular individuals.

      (2) Historians need to know identities so that they can make connections. Was CM a woman, poor, rich, a prolific scientist, or someone who had one good idea? What else did CM do in life? We will not know until we identify the person.

      (3) Honouring the dead may not serve a useful purpose but it is the right thing to do. What sort of person goes through life thinking "gee its nice that I enjoy all these benefits produced by people in the past, but I really couldn't give toss about the people who produced them, and certainly won't waste my time even trying to remember their names, let alone anything else about them". If you have children do you want them to remember that they had parents, and never mind who they were, or do you want them to remember you?

      These arguments about who invented what might seem tedious, but they arise because we value the people who have contributed to the world that we live in. The day we stop having arguments like this is the day we stop carring about those people.

  29. Re:Easy question! by Russ+Steffen · · Score: 2, Funny

    I say it was a Tesla. According to this here slashdot thingy Tesla is responsible for everything that ever was and will be invented. All Hail Nikola Tesla!

  30. Re:Had to be Al Gores great great great grandfathe by Decimal · · Score: 3, Funny

    Al Gores [sic] great great great grandfather

    Ah. Must have been before the invention of the apostrophe.

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  31. Damn. If we only new the name. by nlinecomputers · · Score: 1

    The way current IP laws are heading the guy would STILL have the patent on it!

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  32. who invented anything? by g4dget · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I think we should really stop being so obsessed with attributing inventions to individual people. Morse's combination of single wire and serial code was clearly very practical and made the telegraph successful. But if it hadn't been Morse, someone else would have done the same thing within a few years: all the general ideas had been around. On the other hand, while the insight that electricity can be used for long distance signaling is great, it in itself does not lead to a viable and practical telegraph system.

    The same is true for most of the "great" inventions or ideas we celebrate. It is very rare indeed that a ground breaking new idea appears out of the mainstream, and when it does, it usually doesn't catch on until the mainstream catches up with it and someone else gets the credit.

    1. Re:who invented anything? by BillLumberg · · Score: 1

      actually, the invention would still be patent pending...

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  33. Re:Let me guess... by Negadecimal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It wasn't an American.

    Couldn't have been, either. The U.S. didn't exist in 1753. I think it's more remarkable that this article predated the battery... this guy was really thinking ahead of his time.

  34. Re:Another example by MImeKillEr · · Score: 1

    ...and there's evidence that the Norse found it even before the Greek...

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  35. Re:Had to be Al Gores great great great grandfathe by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

    The real first message ever sent using Morse, by Charles Morse, is actually interesting by itself: "What hath God wrought?"

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  36. communication application, not telegraph by fermion · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The paper does not seem to refer to a telegraph as we know it. In fact claiming the 1753 paper "invented" the telegraph leaves said paper open to unfair criticism and minimizes the importance of the paper.

    The true relevance can be seen from this quote
    because other scientists experimenting with electricity at the time could not see any use for it in communications.
    In other words, this CM was the first to imagine and publish this application for electricity. It was a great leap of intuitiveness. I do not believe it was, however, the telegraph, which needed other leaps of intuitiveness.

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  37. Smoke signals by La+Temperanza · · Score: 1

    Didn't the Native Americans (or anyone else who used patterned smoke signals before them) invent telegrapy? Yeah, yeah, it's not the *electric* telegraph but it's almost the exact same principle...

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  38. Reminds me of a dumb joke by Ugmo · · Score: 4, Funny

    There are two (English|Scottish) Lords bragging about who's family was more important.

    The first Lord says that while doing renovations on their family castle they found a buried copper cable 2 miles long put down in the 1500's. This, he says, proves his family invented the telegraph hundreds of years before any one else.

    The second Lord says that while doing renovations on HIS castle they found NO cable. THIS proves, he says, that his family was using WIRELESS, hundreds of years before the first Lord's family was using telegraph.

  39. Nikoli Tesla's grandfather by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After seeing so many of these "who's on first" discussions break down into unresolvable claims and counter claims, usually along nationalistic lines, we start to see that many 'inventions' actually look like state of the art 'waves' involving MANY, MANY people working in varying degress of interinvolvment, and that any one particular person just bob's up and down on the wave crest - if that one person wasn't there at the right place at the right time any one of the others could have easily taken his or her place. You might as well be saying someting like "Neil Armstrong invented moon walking!" which overlooks the talents and dedicated efforts of a huge number of people over a very long time, from the ancient Chinese to Robert Goddard to Werner Von Braun and a large cast of others who helped put him there.

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    1. Re:Nikoli Tesla's grandfather by cheezit · · Score: 1

      A well-reasoned and insightful post like that will get you *nowhere* on Slashdot... :)

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    2. Re:Nikoli Tesla's grandfather by siesta+at+uni · · Score: 1

      I thought Michael Jackson invented moonwalking..?

  40. Re:Another example by RatBastard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What the hell does the second sentence have to do with the first? Columbus was a Spaniard, not an American (as there were no "Americans" at the time).

    Besides, the first person to "discover" America was wandered over a land bridge from eastern Siberia some 10,000 - 15,000 years ago.

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  41. My recollection was by nani+popoki · · Score: 2, Informative

    If I remember right -- and no, I wasn't around back then! -- Henry invented the idea of an electromagnetic "sounder" and an interrupted circuit as a method of signalling. Morse (who was an artist by trade) invented the code that bears his name (though what we call "Morse code" today is not much like his original encoding, just as EBCDIC isn't ASCII insn't UNICODE). Originally, Morse code was a VISUAL medium -- the telegraph was supposed to output as short and long marks on a moving paper tape (which method -- Kleinschmidt?? -- was used by the military in WWII, though I forget what the details were). But the telegraph operators soon learned to decode the clicks and gaps without bothering to refill the messy, balky inking devices.

  42. Here we go again! by Chocolate+Teapot · · Score: 1
    EXACTLY 250 years ago today, a Scottish inventor penned a theory that led to the electric telegraph and the mobile phone.
    It's only a matter of time before the Scots claim to have invented everything (which they usually did, but we English can invoke the 'British' clause to steal the glory - ha ha!). Shortly after that, the Americans claim to have invented everything (on the grounds that their ancestors were Scottish/Irish/English/Whatever suits them at the time [delete as applicable]).
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    1. Re:Here we go again! by sakeneko · · Score: 1
      EXACTLY 250 years ago today, a Scottish inventor penned a theory that led to the electric telegraph and the mobile phone.
      It's only a matter of time before the Scots claim to have invented everything (which they usually did, but we English can invoke the 'British' clause to steal the glory - ha ha!). Shortly after that, the Americans claim to have invented everything (on the grounds that their ancestors were Scottish/Irish/ English/Whatever suits them at the time [delete as applicable]).

      You have obviously not spent enough time around soc.culture.greek .... Didn't you know that everything was invented by Greeks, including America? Just ask Agamemnon. ;P

  43. Re:Another example by killmenow · · Score: 1

    That's odd... I thought America was discovered by the people who lived there.

  44. Re:Damn. If we only new the name. by cyb97 · · Score: 1

    Following the logic of the new IP laws the guy would still be alive.

    Goes to show how much brainpower that goes into creating them...

  45. Morse Code by Radio+Shack+Robot · · Score: 2, Informative

    In case you didn't know, Radio Shack no longer sells morse code training tapes. You'll have to buy them from the ARRL.

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  46. Re:homer must make his way into the post? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Finally, he really did try to work on a machine to see if there was life after death, but no model or plans were found in any of his labs.
    I guess you really can take it with you...

  47. Re:Another example by rgmoore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is such a thing as multiple discovery. The reason that Columbus is given credit for discovering the New World is because his discovery was the historically significant one. The response to previous discoveries of America was minor and historically unimportant; none of those other travelers started significant, long lasting communication between the New and Old World. That's why Columbus was able to re-discover it independently. The previous discoverers' knowledge quickly died out. Columbus's voyage, OTOH, quickly lead to large scale trips between Europe and America, so that the two of them became socially, politically, and economically tied together. After Columbus, you couldn't discover America again because knowledge of it was too widespread for it to count as a discovery.

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  48. Re:Let me guess... by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Perhaps because it's true. Sorry to disturb your cosy worldview, but the sad fact is not -everything- was invented or discovered in America.

    And I'm fast starting to believe that the only thing Americans are any good at these days is stealing other people's ideas and claiming them as their own. Bill Gates is of course the first name that comes to mind; esr's rant ends up with a list of every major 'innovation' from MS, and who it was bought or stolen from. Then there's all the business-method patent companies; Amazon, PanIP, etc.

    And then there's the entire issue of the wright brothers, philo farnsworth, etc. Sure the wright brothers were scientific about things, but baboo dick managed some fairly well controlled flights as well as his first less than impressive decent and crash into a ditch.
    Sure the CRT was a great step forward, but bard invented the basic syncronised scanning of an image.
    The camera part of this has already gone to CCD. The basic scanning concept that bard invented is still used; the beam of electrons that farnsworth invented isn't. So who invented the video camera again?
    When most TV's go LCD, are we going to forget farnsworth and credit the inventor of the LCD with inventing "television" ?

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  49. Earl of Sandwich by OpCode42 · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...invented the sandwich.

    Samuel Morser invented Morse Code.

    Plato invented the plate.

    that is all

  50. Re:Just more Brits trying to take credit from Yank by phillymjs · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah! Next thing you know, the Brits'll say that THEY were the first ones to capture an Enigma from the Nazis, and not a team of Americans like was portrayed in U-571... oh, wait. :-)

    ~Philly

  51. Re:Had to be Al Gores great great great grandfathe by davew666 · · Score: 1

    Interestingly, the apostrophe is a recent invention. It is not a real punctuation mark, but a printers note which has found its way into mainstream English use. It is the only punctuation mark to have absolutely no effect on pronunciation.

  52. What the first message really said by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    Hello,This is a excite game
    This game is my first work.
    You're the first player.
    I hope you would like it.

  53. who really invented the wireless ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In the same light "who invented wireless ?"

    The most common answer would be Marconi.
    This is completely incorrect.
    The first wireless communication was invented by an Indian scientist named Jagadish Chandra Bose in 1899 (recognised now by IEEE). Of course he wasn't savvy enough to get patents and all and as in those times it was easy to suppress a scientific achievement from a thirld world colonial rules state. He is very respected in part of the country who studied science as a gift to mankind.

    see some information here
    http://www.minhas.net/culture/indianpeople/j cbose. htm
    http://www.tuc.nrao.edu/~demerson/bose/bose.h tml

    or otherwise google on "jagadish chandra bose".

    As a further information he was the first scientist to discover and prove that plants have life.

    1. Re:who really invented the wireless ? by zolon · · Score: 1

      And here I thought it would have been native americans or australian aborigoneas who invented wireless. Smoke signals and Digaredo's and the like. merf

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    2. Re:who really invented the wireless ? by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 1

      First to discover and prove that plants have life???

      I'm not sure what you mean by this, but this "discovery" predates Bose by, oh, say, thirty or forty thousand years?

      (Not to detract from Bose, nor from any of the other great Boses, like physicist Satyendra Nath Bose, after whom the Boson is named.)

      .

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    3. Re:who really invented the wireless ? by fatboy · · Score: 1

      In the same light "who invented wireless ?" The most common answer would be Marconi. This is completely incorrect. The first wireless communication was invented by an Indian scientist named Jagadish Chandra Bose in 1899 (recognised now by IEEE). Of course he wasn't savvy enough to get patents and all and as in those times it was easy to suppress a scientific achievement from a thirld world colonial rules state. He is very respected in part of the country who studied science as a gift to mankind.

      As all good Southerners know, you and others are wrong. Nathan B. Stubblefield invented radio.

      (Being from the south, I just love blind siding people with that one, even if it really was only induction and not radio.)

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    4. Re:who really invented the wireless ? by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      So you're suggesting that Nathan Stubblefield stole Jagadish Chandra Bose's invention 30 years before Jagadish was born?

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    5. Re:who really invented the wireless ? by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      So, do you regard that as an argument for or against the value of patents?

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    6. Re:who really invented the wireless ? by Starman9x · · Score: 1

      I have had the unfortunate pleasure (?) of living across the street from a descendant of N.B. any time anything remotely "radio" oriented came up I'd get bombarded by "the story". (Actually, she wasn't so bad about it, but her father "just won't let it rest") -- if the slashdot crowd feels up to a not-very-interesting diversion from their usual web hangouts, check out www.smart90.com WARNING: the guy who builds these "smart90" sites has a lousy sense of what makes a "good" web page. The pages he's pumping out now are a little better than in the past, but you should still dig out an airsickness bag before visiting this site just in case...

  54. Could the telegraph be invented today? by ThinkingGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    A random thought that occurred to me while reading the article: If the telegraph were invented for the first time today, would it have a chance of being successful?
    Naturally there would be the big patent fight, with various people and corporations suing back and forth, claiming credit for the invention. But even if that were settled, think of the resistance that there would be to the (new) idea of setting poles with wires strung between them:

    Environmental groups: "Birds will be tangled in the wires.. and what about the effects of EMF on children?"

    Religous groups: "God didn't mean for man to be able to communicate with other men in an instant fashion. The telegraph is an instrument of the devil!"

    Rich people: "I don't want those ugly poles and wires in my neighborhood. They'll lower my property values!"

    Poor people: "It's only rich people who can afford to send telegraphs, but they run all the wires through our neighborhoods. It's discrimination!"

    1. Re:Could the telegraph be invented today? by nomadic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sane people: "Someone just invented a laborious system of sending simple text messages? Why not just use e-mail?"

    2. Re:Could the telegraph be invented today? by nathanh · · Score: 1
      A random thought that occurred to me while reading the article: If the telegraph were invented for the first time today, would it have a chance of being successful? Naturally there would be the big patent fight, with various people and corporations suing back and forth, claiming credit for the invention. But even if that were settled, think of the resistance that there would be to the (new) idea of setting poles with wires strung between them:

      There has always been opposition to new ideas and new technologies. The Luddites are the most famous example because they violently opposed the introduction of steam engines. The explorer who introduced the raincoat to England was executed for possessing "Devil's Fabric". And innoculation - one of the great medical discoveries which eventually led to vaccination - was opposed by religious groups and medical doctors.

    3. Re:Could the telegraph be invented today? by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

      The explorer who introduced the raincoat to England was executed for possessing "Devil's Fabric".

      ehhh, this one sounds pretty urban-legendish. Any references?

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    4. Re:Could the telegraph be invented today? by nathanh · · Score: 1

      I can't find the reference easily with Google or Snopes, and I'm not talking about Mackintosh. The other two examples are less urban-legendish. I'll retract this one because I can't find the reference.

  55. As a Morse... by jmorse · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...I resent all this talk about my ancestor not being the innovative pioneer that he was. And I resent all those royalties that...oh, wait, I've never actually received a royalty. Nevermind.

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  56. Well... by Exitthree · · Score: 1

    It might not have been Morse who invented it, but I bet if we wait long enough SBC will come out saying they have a patent on it.

  57. Re:Easy question! by GMontag · · Score: 1

    Well, I am voting for Les Paul.

    The "CM" is not initials. They are really his favorite musical note and another note he was still working on.

  58. Re:Had to be Al Gores great great great grandfathe by GreyPoopon · · Score: 4, Funny
    The real first message ever sent using Morse, by Charles Morse, is actually interesting by itself: "What hath God wrought?"

    Afterwards, his older brother, Samuel, beat the living daylights out of him for playing with his stuff.

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  59. An effort to claim Scots invented everything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Scotsman story does contain an interesting error, claiming that the steam engine had not been invented in 1753. Truth was two Englishmen Thomas Savery and then Thomas Newcomen had built successful steam engines before 1753, which were being used to pump water out of mines.

    In 1765 James Watt, a Scot, figgured out why Thomas Newcomen's steam engine didn't work well, and came up with a much better design.

    Still, between telegraph and steam engine do we have a plot to claim Scotland is the source of all good things (ok, so it is often true, but...).

  60. Columbus wasn't a Spaniard! by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 3, Informative

    Columbus was a Spaniard

    Columbus was Genovese! He was only working for the Spanish.

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  61. American theft? by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 1
    And I'm fast starting to believe that the only thing Americans are any good at these days is stealing other people's ideas and claiming them as their own. Bill Gates is of course the first name that comes to mind; esr's rant [tuxedo.org] ends up with a list of every major 'innovation' from MS, and who it was bought or stolen from.

    Anti-American rants are of course terribly fashionable, but that's a weird example to give. Most of Gates' nonnovations were stolen from other American companies.

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    1. Re:American theft? by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1

      I said they were stolen; I didn't say they were stolen from foreigners.

      Anti-american rants are fashionable. Several small countries are viciously attacking you. The rest of the world hates you. I wonder if there's something about America's foreign policy, behaviour, or overall image that causes this?

      Yeah.. I know.. this is totally offtopic and inflamatory and shit. I recently saw someone's sig (on slashdot) that strongly implied an American was the first to climb Everest. Well fuck you all too!!

      Don't like it? mod me down, I have karma to burn at the moment :)

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    2. Re:American theft? by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1

      It was bugging me, so I did a google search. Now i feel slightly stupid.

      The quotation that had me irate was in fact from George Mallory, a British explorer, who wanted to climb Everest "because it was there" many years before Hillary. Mallory never got there, but he was first to use the phrase later repeated by Hillary.

      At least I can admit when I'm wrong.

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  62. No man can be my equal by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 1

    Or could it have been Connor Mcleod of the clan Mcleod?

    Here We Are STOP Born To Be Kings STOP Are Princes Of Universe FULL STOP

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  63. One word by Scrameustache · · Score: 1


    Semaphore.

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  64. Re:And while were at it by gpinzone · · Score: 1

    Last time I checked the dictionary, "perfecting and then patenting" an idea wasn't considered theft. Not even in Europe.

  65. RIAA vs telegraph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    The RIAA would shut down the telegraph because there would be a possibility that songs could be encoded into Morse and sent over the wires.

    "If you hear silence, thank Hillary Rosen".

  66. No no no! by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny

    In "CM, Renfrew", Renfrew isn't a place name, it's the name of CM's asistant who was taking dictation of the paper. CM is obviously the infamous Scottish vampire, Count MacCula.

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  67. Re:Give societies their due - Connections by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

    James Burke. He seems to working a project called KnowledgeWeb

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  68. Re:I thought Al Gore Invented the Internet? by Shadowclaw · · Score: 1

    You're correct. Al Gore didn't invent the Internet, (D)Arpa did. (And it wasn't a military project, like a lot of people say.)

  69. Re:Just more Brits trying to take credit from Yank by Q+Who · · Score: 1

    Or Russians will claim that it were them who won the WWII...

  70. Morse didnt invent the morse code either. by leprkan · · Score: 1

    Morse didn't actually invent the morse code. His was flawed and wouldn't make sence, so his partner changed it. Naturally Morse took credit for it, and his partner was forgotten.

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  71. Re:Had to be Al Gores great great great grandfathe by sakeneko · · Score: 1
    I'm not sure who invented it but I think I know what one of the first messages was:
    Dear Sir
    I am calling to help you lower your long distance calling rates
    Please respond

    Why this, and not MAKE*MONEY*FAST, or "Increase the Size of your Penis!!!", or "Radio Controlled Matchbox Cars!!!" or a personal email from Mariam Abacha begging you to let her give you $85 million United States Dollars, or...?

  72. Re:And while were at it by hemanman · · Score: 1

    Oh please, with that bad english he can't be from europe... errh, wait, maybe france..

    -H

  73. Re:Had to be Al Gores great great great grandfathe by squiggleslash · · Score: 1
    Gah. That was stupid of me.

    And I have a frightening feeling that "Charles Morse" was some combination of Samuel and Moore, the latter being the inventor of FORTH.

    dit dit dit, dit dit dit, dah dah dah.

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  74. Wait one moment!!! by sryx · · Score: 1

    You mean it wasn't Al Gore!?
    -Jason

  75. All I can say is... by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 1

    dididida di didadi dadidada didi dadi da di didadi di dididi da didi dadi dadadi


    (Change "di" to "." and "da" to "-" before decoding it here. Sorry - it was the only way to get this post past /.'s lameness filter)

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    1. Re:All I can say is... by dukarukus · · Score: 1, Funny

      dididi da dididadi didida

  76. The times being what they were... by theCat · · Score: 1

    ...my first thought was that CM was a woman. Ada Lovelace not withstanding, female intellectuals had a hard time being taken seriously until just recently (perhaps up to the 1940s.) I don't know if that was more or less the case in ascestral Scotland, but it was not uncommon for women and girls to publish their writings anonymously or pseudonymously, thus to remain utterly unknown even if their ideas did go on to have lives of their own.

    Of course, nobody knows either way regarding CM and likely never will know. But it is worth pausing for a moment and reflecting on not only the random nature of fame and recognition, but also how many great discoveries we certainly have lost over the centuries because someone was not allowed to write, or speak or even to dream.

    I don't know if things have changed much even now, but it has always been my greatest hope that the ubiquitous Internet would serve to unlock some of that untapped and otherwise lost human potential. IP laws, software patents, and the thugs seeking to control the flow of information aside, there are surely a lot of new voices out there to be heard, and new ideas they can share with us to help take us to the next great era of discovery and global progress. In the shadow of looming wars and unrest, AIDS and WMDs, and all the other noise of our discontent it is comforting to think that this might indeed be so.

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  77. Um, batteries were invented 1000s of years ago by KlomDark · · Score: 1
    Batteries were found in ancient Arabia, used for electroplating. Ancient Greeks used batteries for medicinal purposes.

    More Info

    Some More Info

    1. Re:Um, batteries were invented 1000s of years ago by Razor+Gaunt · · Score: 1

      You need to read your sources better. They are only speculating that it is a battery because they don't know what else it could be. According to your source the Greeks used live electric eels for medicine, AND the article admits that it would take ALOT more juice than the couple volts a battery like this would contain to do electroplating. (Also there have been no elctroplated items found) The only thing credible is that the then Iraqis were using these as substitute medicinal electic eels, but again wouldn't that take more juice than a couple volts? So maybe it was a battery, but it currently has no known use.

    2. Re:Um, batteries were invented 1000s of years ago by KlomDark · · Score: 1

      I don't get why they were knocking the low voltage of the battery - a typical single cell (such as a AAA, AA, C, or D battery) produces 1.5 volts, the same as this one. A 9 volt battery is actually 6 small cells in one package. A 12 volt car battery has 9 cells.

      A cattle prod typically has a single 1.5 volt D cell, it just charges a capacitor and uses a coil to create the momentary burst to cause a shock.

      Don't knock the battery just because it's only 1.5 volts...

  78. Do let's cite our sources... by starsong · · Score: 1

    ... in a proper fashion. :)

    Red Dwarf... the "Holly Hop" episode, I believe.

    I feel oddly sad that I recognized it so fast.

  79. Re:Had to be Al Gores great great great grandfathe by EricWright · · Score: 1

    Read the article. The original design consisted of 26 parallel wires, 1 for each letter of the alphabet. No room for punctuation. That came later with mysterious theoretical paper v2.0, presumably written by CM++.

  80. Heroes of the Telegraph by John Munro by uglyMood · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I stumbled accross this book on Project Gutenberg: Heroes of the Telegraph by John Munro. It's a fascinating account of the various inventions that led up to the telegraph. Oddly enough, the book was written when the telephone and phonograph were pretty new, so the author's speculations as to the future of these devices is interesting.

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  81. Re:Just more Brits trying to take credit from Yank by Kintanon · · Score: 1

    Wasn't that the name of the guy from "Carter Beats the Devil" I think that's the name, that was a book about a magician and television and stuff...? Interesting book. I'm pretty sure the kid who invented television in that buck was named Philo Farnsworth. I have no idea of the historical accuracy of that, but it was a damn fine book.

    Kintanon

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  82. "If it's not Scotish... by SuperMario666 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ..IT'S CRAP!!!"

    1. Re:"If it's not Scotish... by fciron · · Score: 1

      If I were motivated I would say something clever about your mispelling of scottish being crap or shooting itself in the foot or something funny.

      If you feel that strongly SPELL IT RIGHT!!!

    2. Re:"If it's not Scotish... by shepd · · Score: 1

      "If it's nae Scottish, it's C-R-R-R-AP!"

      My selective jeopardy memory fails to produce a useful result again. But it's great for remembering pointless stuff like that.

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  83. Re:Just more Brits trying to take credit from Yank by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 1

    So I post something that I thought was funny and it gets moded down to a -1 flamebait. Seems someone is a bit touchy about the subject. Meanwhile the replies are up to +2. There's no justice for a karma whore.

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  84. Re:I thought Al Gore Invented the Internet? by Noren · · Score: 1
    "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. "
    - Al Gore, on CNN's 'Late Edition" program, 9 March 1999.

    No, he didn't claim to have anything to do with authorizing the DARPA project that ultimately led to the internet, as he didn't become a member of congress until 1977, well after ARPANET was up and running. Your version of what he claimed he did is no more true than that of the parent poster.

    Even though he was one of the leading congressional supporters of the internet in the 80s, he did overstate his own role in its creation even if the quote is read in context. This was a bad mistake and led to inevitable criticism- but only some of that criticism was justified. He never claimed he'd invented the internet.

  85. Re:Had to be Al Gores great great great grandfathe by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

    ha ha, ha ha, ha. that was funny, just keep in mind that Gore never claimed to have invented the Internet.

  86. Re:And while were at it by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
    Point of fact: Edison didn't invent the lightbulb. They had lightbulbs at the time, but were impracticle because they had to use bloody expensive tungsten filaments. Edison invented a bulb that used carbon impregnated cotton filaments. Short-lived junk, but cheap.

    What he did invent was the industrial research lab. Rather being a solitary inventor, he had scores of assistants, and he'd flit from project to project, giving direction, and taking credit.

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  87. Re:Tesla invented the radio, not Marconi by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

    You do know that Marconi's patents were eventually overturned in favour of Telsa?

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  88. Who invented the telegraph? by book_reader · · Score: 1

    Gauss, arguably the greatest mathematician who ever lived, (well along with his collegue Weber), did. See for example:

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=&cat=&meta=&q=ga us s+telegraph

  89. Re:which country? by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1

    Probably the same country that first notices I misspelled bamboo and Baird. Twice even!

    The link was working at the time I bookmarked it.

    I've just checked, ~esr and / at tuxedo.org are also 404. Perhaps he's been infected by the slammer worm :)

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  90. Why is it... by Razor+Gaunt · · Score: 1

    that so many inventions are undisputed, at least publicly, for so long then suddenly many claimants cry that they know who the TRUE inventor is? I have seen this same cycle for airplane, telescope, radio, telephone, baseball, the computer, and coincidentally for the morse code itself. I am not suggesting that they are all lying, but should I now think when something new comes out, "I wonder who really invented this?".

    1. Re:Why is it... by sparkhead · · Score: 1

      Two main reasons I can think of.

      1. Inventions are almost never an act of revolution, they're almost always an act of evolution. A lot of great minds adding a piece here and there over the years leads up to an "invention" that becomes known in the public eye.

      2. Either way, often an invention will be created by one person or company, and then publicized by another, sometimes directly stealing ideas whether they're patented or not. The latter takes credit for the invention and has the public's eye, but the former is the true origin of the invention. Such claims of invention due to who showed it to the public first are common. Television, radio, etc.

  91. Morse Code by feenberg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Morse didn't invent the telegraph. He invented the Morse Code. Anyone who ever read a child's biography of Morse knows that. To claim anyone believed otherwise is the silliest form of revisionism ever. Of course if you go "Jaywalking" you can find people who believe anything, but to be a real "revisionist historian" you ought to revise a misunderstanding a bit more widespread than this.

  92. so in 1753 a scot sent... by fogpilot · · Score: 1

    TEST please ignore

  93. Re:Just more Brits trying to take credit from Yank by Zeinfeld · · Score: 1
    Baird invented the television, blah blah blah, Turing invented the computer, blah blah blah, Lukas invented shitty car parts, blah blah blah...

    Actually Baird was a poseur.

    The first real TV system was assembled by the engineering dept of the BBC in a bake off that was set up essentially to shut Baird up.

    They used a bunch of ideas that had been developed by others, in particular the cathode ray tube. They get the claim to invent TV because they were the first to do it over radio signals at a distance (as in Tele...)

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  94. Re:Tesla invented the radio, not Marconi by SteveAstro · · Score: 1

    Ultimately, he who gets there furstest with the mostest wins. Marconi did far far more to create the radio as a viable technology than did Tesla. The fact that the US courts rules that the US scientist had primacy over the Italian scientist's US patents is hardly surprising. The US has a history of such things. Witness last weeks announcement of the American who "invented" radar bears me out.

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  95. Re:Why this by loknor · · Score: 1

    Why? Duh, Because the Pony Express hadn't delivered my AOL disk yet. :p

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  96. Re: Damn. If we only new the name. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


    > The way current IP laws are heading the guy would STILL have the patent on it!

    Inspired by this thread, I have applied for a patent on a one-click telegraph system.

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  97. Re:Had to be Al Gores great great great grandfathe by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

    It is the only punctuation mark to have absolutely no effect on pronunciation.

    Not true, in some cases. I'm having trouble coming up with a non-lame example, but adding an apostrophe as a possessive to a word ending in "s" often adds an extra "es" sound to the end.

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  98. It was SBC by Geekbot · · Score: 1

    Wasn't it SBC that invented this? I'm pretty sure they've got the patent. I heard they were going to start demanding licensing for anyone using communication devices using electricity.

  99. eh hem... anyone heard of Nicola Tesla??? by nfinityeight · · Score: 1

    Anyone who has knows that Nicola Tesla, not only was the first to conceptualize wireless transmission, but the first to actually accomplish his goal of sending a wireless communication. Nicola Tesla is one of those invetors who is not well known, at least by the general public. He is known to be a "mad scientist" of sorts, but his other inventions/conceptions include rotating magnetic field, which in turn led to the development of alternating current, vertical take off and landing vehicles, and many other interesting and eclectic designs that boggle the mind, and entrance the imagination. Nicola Tesla was not only an inventor, but an innovator. His designs and ideas also helped people like Thomas Edison better the light bulb, and paved the way for the technological revolution we experience each day. I just want to give more credit to this guy, it's unfortunate that the U.S. Government shut him down the way they did, but I guess all is fair in love in war, right?

    1. Re:eh hem... anyone heard of Nicola Tesla??? by nfinityeight · · Score: 1

      oh, and by the way, anyone trying to bring up Macaroni will be shot on site....

  100. Sir Strong Bad by Jormundgard · · Score: 1

    He's the first person I've seen use a telegramaphone.

  101. This one beats all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I vote for best of the year.

  102. Excellent example for teachers by Azar · · Score: 1

    I think that this is an excellent example for school teachers. There's always that one student in the class who always forgets to write his name at the top of the papers. Now the teacher can hold it against him...

    "Do you want to be like that guy who invented the telegraph? Hmmm? Nobody knows his name because he didn't put it on his paper either..."

    It ought to work better than my moms "Eat your breakfast! Don't you know kids are starving in China?!"

  103. It was by madsenj37 · · Score: 1

    If I know my Scooby Doo kids right it was none other than Red Herring.

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  104. Re:Had to be Al Gores great great great grandfathe by GreyPoopon · · Score: 1
    Gah. That was stupid of me.

    Nevertheless, I still found your post informative. I never knew what the first message sent was. I must have been daydreaming that day in school. :-)

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  105. Re:Had to be Al Gores great great great grandfathe by stanmann · · Score: 1

    You are right he merely "took the initiative in creating the internet"

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  106. I resent that! by CowboyMeal · · Score: 1

    You know nothing of CowboyMeal!

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  107. Scottish surnames.......... by bobba22 · · Score: 1

    beginning with M, let me think........

  108. Inventors and Discoverers by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

    Regarding the Radio, while many people think Marconi, most realize that Marconi just built what Tesla designed and wrote about. (more about the Indian fellow below) Everyone is a Discoverer: I discovered Canada at the age of 5 - before then neither I nor any of my associates had heard of it. And I just discovered Qanat (Cool underground Irrigation system found in Mexico and Iran). Neither I nor any one I knew of had heard of them before. To get credit as a Discoverer you need to be the first of X group. An unknown indian discovered the New world first for his tribe and their friends. Then possibly an unknown Asian for Asia, then almost certainly a Viking for the Vikings, then Definitely Columbus discovered it for the southern Europeans. As for inventions, the truth is God invented everything. But we call someone that discovers how to apply a scientific principle in a new way, the inventor of any product that 1)was impossible without that discovery 2)at the time of their "invention", only needed that discovery to be possible. Otherwise you could say that Benjamin Franklin invented all electrical devices because he made some discoveries about electricity. Inventors are just discoverers with a pracitcal bent. And Discoverers are group related. Question: If we find out that intelligent life exists on other planets and that 10,000 years ago, they "invented" radio, are we going to say that Tesla, Marconi and that indian fellow did NOT invent the Radio? No. All three, Tesla, Marconi and the Indian fellow all qualify as inventors of the Radio. They invented it for different groups of people.

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  109. Who gives a damn? by Josh+Booth · · Score: 1

    I hear about people debating over dumb things like who discovered America (It was Columbus! No, it was the Vikings! No, it was the Mongols! etc.), who invented the first computer (Eckert and Mauckley! No, it was Attenesoff! [It's been a while and I don't remember the spellings] Etc.), and who invented the telegraph. It's not really that important who invented it because someone would have invented it anyway. There is sort of a critical mass where people realize that "Hey, we need a (insert fabulous invention here)" and someone goes and invents it. Normally, people with the same idea are within a few years of each other, but sometimes its within a few months and other times its whoever can sprint to the patent office faster.