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UK Parliament Domain Without Registrar
asobala writes "According to this story at The Register, the UK parliament is using the domain www.parliament.uk. It's a top-level domain because it was registered before August 1996, before Nominet handled .uk domains. But since there is no registrar, they can't prove that they own it."
I should hurry up and sue, and get my website back!!!
so. What does it matter?
Innocent till proven guilty
they cant prove they own it because they dont have to, its up to others to prove they don't own it or are not entitled to it
simple
It is well known that parliament.uk is rightfully the property of George Clinton and Parliament-Funkadelic.
Are you kidding me?!
Everyone knows they are just a bunch of cybersquaters who registered parliament.uk so all the people who don't know how to spell it the right way (Parlament) will get to their site.
oh wait... that is the right spelling? never mind.
Why wouldn't this just be a case of manuvering to register this domain? Is the issue that someone may register this and boot them off?
Yeah, I own slashdot.org, I registered it back in 1954 before Al Gore invented the internet. I DEMAND you hand the domain over to me!!
I tried getting out of paying my £90 to nominet UK too, seriously thats how much they charge ro renew domains without a registra, ripp off.
soon they won't even be able to prove it exists.
Well, short of going in and holding a gun to Thwate's head, they have several options, as I see it:
/(.*) to www.parliment.govt.uk/$1.
1. Setup www.parliment.govt.uk, and have the webserver that handles www.parliment.uk redirect
2. Sign their own cert.
3. Farm out the credit card transactions themselves to another site.
I guess if they got smart about it they could go through some sort of legal process that confirms that they have "ownership" of the netblock that the DNS servers for parliment.uk are on, and therefore they are the defacto owners (posession is 9/10ths of the law?) of parliment.uk.
Nonetheless, an interesting situation.
Me and my wife own the domain
Interesting story. It's sounds so strange having all these second level org.uk, ac.uk, police.uk etc. and non an official .uk operator.
It's the same thing that makes me wonder why is that the case.
How can all these second level domain operators exist but not an operator of the 1st level?
Why don't they give it to the sum of the second level operators to decide?
If the matter is really on the air, that's the most sane solution I can think of
Doesn't anybody stop to think that the UK parliament might *implicitly* own the domain www.parliament.uk because they've been using it since before 1996? If they haven't registered it then nobody else has either, so nobody else is more apt to acquire it. And I'm sure somebody else wants it. I don't have a receipt for that pair of boots I bought in 1998. Maybe somebody else owns them even though I've been wearing them for the past 5 years. Come to think about it, I'm going out to buy a new pair of boots. Come on, give us some good articles to talk about.
Why would they have to prove that they own it? Seeing how they are the governing body of the UK wouldn't common sense dictate that they get it esp. if there is no registar. Hell couldn't they just pass a law saying that they own it? That would be a useless law but I'm sure they have lots of them. At least its not full of porn like the site Digital Teenz is. Then they might have a cause for concern if someone had stolen it and turned it into a porn site, but if there's no registar then I would guess that it can't be stolen correct?
We don't want the Royal Marines raiding the VA Software headquarters looking for alleged terrorists Abdul Hemos and the commander of the cell, Hashish Taco.
I know that co stands for commercial but why doesn't Nominet allow plain .uk to be registered anymore?
There are 2 kinds of people in this world: Those who write in decimal and those who don't
I read this a few days ago on The Reg, and I couldn't believe it.
No matter what the rules are, it's pretty obvious to anyone that parliament.uk belongs to the UK parliament.
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a slashdotting joke!
too funny!
please kill yourself!
In fact, no one runs parliament.uk and it doesn't officially exist. OK, go on, you twisted my arm. For a mere £78k per annum, and a lifetime seat in the House of Lords, I'll oversee the running of this tld.
:)
Obviously, I'll need a 155Mb pipe, and all the leggy blondes I can eat. (So to speak.) Oh, and a nice quiet office somewhere
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Of course, the question should be why doesn't the UK use its *real* ISO country code GB instead of UK.
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I do security
This is a time to think why USA doesn't use .us and com.us, org.us, ac.us, gov.us more often.
This is 2003. It's not 1988 when USA had 90% of the inet.
Is it a flame bait? Or is a bait to all sane people the fact that I stress?
They say that possession is 9/10 of the law. I think the fact that they've had the domain for 9 years should be proof enough that they own it.
47% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
Touche ;)
I'm just a standards freak.
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The UK and France were the only ones to declare war on Germany during WWII. If they wouldn't have started war that early the germans at that time would have advanced a lot quicker. The U.S. didn't really care at the time what was happening over there. It was called Isolationism. The only reason US entered the war was because of Pearl Harbor. I don't think the US could've won a war against the world when we were that demobolized.
You know why? Their cigarettes. They've got these fucking cool exotic brands that I can't pronounce, like Gauloises. Hell, what do we have in the good old USofA? Fuckin Camels. Who are you going to impress with Camels? A motherfucker whips out a pack of Players, however, and you think "now here's a guy with some fucking class."
Fuck you, Europe and your amazingly delicious cigarettes.
By the way, how do you pronounce Gauloises?
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Of course, the question should be why doesn't the UK use its *real* ISO country code GB instead of UK
Well, GB isn't correct. I don't want to argue history & politics, but it is currently the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. And thus, UK.
QED
A better question is would the UK call itself UK if Northern Ireland joined the republic?
Also, cut it out with your lame worship of Europe. I hate you beret-wearing liberals who like to bash American culture and elevate to idiotic heights any culture that isn't American. It's so pathetic. If you hate this country so much, get out. I'm sure some hairy French broads would love to play with your two-inch cock you yellow bastard.
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lemme guess...
you're a lil salty because its your servers going down like a dress on prom night?
Why, does the province of Northern Ireland have it's own domain?
There was a discussion about this on the Nominet mailing lists recently. The most convincing reason is Northern Ireland.
.uk, the powers that be decided on using .uk for British domains, and it's stuck ever since.
The official name of the UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. "Great Britain" is the island that includes England, Wales, Scotland and the multitude of little islands, which includes the Isle of Wight (part of England), the Isle of Man (not really part of the UK at all), and doesn't include the Channel Islands (which are closest to Normandy, which the French refer to as the Anglo-Norman islands, but otherwise are as British as the Isle of Man).
"GB" would be a useful code, except that it excludes Northern Ireland, and if you've followed Northern Irish history at all you'll know that the the protestants / Unionists in Northern Ireland are very fond of being part of the UK, and would vehemently protest to the UK being known by a code, "GB", that explicitly did not include them.
So, way before ICANN's official policy to use the ISO country codes for ccTLDs, and even though Ukraine had a strong claim to
I expect a bill banning Thawte from selling anything to British citizens until this is resolved... Some higher up at Thawte will think twice... :)
Alex
Err..."Might be"???!!!
And you're really ignoring what I was saying. I was not telling him he had no right to argue with the government or express an opinion that differs from policy. What I was stating is that this trend that has caught on in bashing American CULTURE (I didn't bring up the fucking government you dumbass) in favor of European or Asian cultures by kids from the suburbs is apalling. Furthermore, if they are so in love with all things [insert whatever country they love] they should go there to live. If they think that American television is a wretched cesspool in comparison to the high comedy of Faulty Towers, they should get the fuck out of this country. I hope you get the point and stop trying to play the typical faggot liberal. There's are reasons I hate liberals and it appears you are one of them.
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A better question is would the UK call itself UK if Northern Ireland joined the republic?
Yes it would. The "United" refers to the union of the Scottish throne and the England/Wales throne - Wales having been conquered by England. The lowland Scotsmen wanted access to England's East India company, because of the huge profits it made out of the Empire. The English wanted the highlanders to stop raping and pillaging England. Therefore, the lowland Scotsmen agreed to join Scotland and England -- a promise to keep the pesky highlanders at bay, provided they got the riches of the England's empire.
Ireland (the whole island) was briefly conquered by the UK, but the IRA conquered it back. However, the UK had succeeded in settling many UK loyalists (protestants) in the northern counties, so when the UK was forced in defeat to return Ireland to native/roman catholic rule, it did not return Northern Ireland because mostly loyalists lived there.
Yes, but Parliament is 10/10 of the law, and it's not helping them.
Actually I'm sure it *will* help them out. The fact that they ARE the law means that someone high up enough at Thawte to make a decision will decide to acknowledge Parliment's ownership of their domain. Or parliment can pass a law that simply says "we own parliment.uk" - If that is not enough for Thawte Parliment could pass a law that says "Any entity failing to recongise parliments sole ownership of 'Parliment.uk" shall have it's assets frozen and executives held in custody until such time as they recongise said ownership". I'm sure Thawte would come around, it doesn't pay for a commercial entity to get into a fight with the legislative body of a country they want to do business in.
It does: ie..
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I think our culture sucks nuts, but that doesn't mean our country does. By your reasoning, if I think the traffic light by my house takes way too long to change, I should just get the fuck out of the country.
I don't know why I'm responding to someone whose first volley involved penile derision.
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the strongest word is still the word "free"
It's more trouble than it's worth with little practical benifit to those involved. Sure, it gives everyone a warm fuzzy feeling of equality, but other than that there just isn't much practical benifit compared to the effort of such a change.
Exacting standards look great on paper, but when dealing with legacy systems (esp. when those systems are historicaly and socialy based) it's sometimes more trouble than its worth.
If you'd like to spearhead the effort to convience everyone to change, then more power to you. But frankly I think you'll need to get in line right behind the people who want to have everyone learn esperanto.
That's the same reason that the US Whitehouse owns www.whitehouse.com
Yeah, but check out www.whitehouse.org or www.whitehouse.net. Then there's www.whitehouse.com, which you'd expect to be the government office that sells political favors, but isn't that at all.
I wonder how long before the gummint cracks down on these. This might be fun to watch. I expect they have already tried, but like the trademark on "windows", "white house" is a rather generic term. I mean, half the people in my neighborhood live in a white house. So do lots of people in the US government, for that matter.
The main problem here, as I see it, is that the main article was badly misclassified. It should have been "It's funny; laugh".
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
That's for the Republic of Ireland as you're well aware, I guess they could always try to light up the dark fibre that is .GB
I always thought it was because the British portion of the Internet was originally set up mostly by academics, and they wanted .ac.uk because they were all Bloom County fans.
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
K.GB doesn't have a chance now
ahh well at least we burned that ugly-ass white house a little. Why kill when you can just cut of the d*ck off :)
Don't bother replying again. You've obviously got no argument against your filthy suburbanite longing to be in another country where Dr. Phil doesn't reign supreme.
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I just wish I could get Sam Kinison's emotion into that subject...
Ireland (the whole island) was briefly conquered by the UK,
About 120 years is briefly?
I'm in awe of your magnificent skill in the art of debate. Nothing wins an argument like completely unsubstantiated claims that one's opponent is a fucking moron.
Since you seem to be incapable of carrying out an argument at anything but the most base level, your mom is a filthy slut, but your dad sure can suck a mean cock.
Thank you and have a pleasant evening.
Who's Dr. Phil?
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the strongest word is still the word "free"
Find out what he did, and if you really want to see what's going on even today, find out who his followers and relatives are.
Hint: On of them was born Rahman Abdul Rauf el-Qudwa el-Husseini...
Well, you're so off topic it's untrue, this has bugger all to do with anything because Blair only seized power in 1997... but you're also damned right. Anybody who supports this war is fighting for the Jew. It would be merely cannon fodder for the unquestioned support and arse-kissing for "Israel" which the USA is famous for and has reaped the punishment for on Sep 11 2001.
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You make a very interesting point. I think I am right in thinking that we are the only ccTLD which does not match the ISO of assigned country codes. .gb is registered to the United Kingdom and is the domain we would/should have used but it is just marked as reserved and nothing more. One day it might open up, you never know. Then there will be a whole new registration frenzy!
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You are wrong, as are nearly all others who try that quote.
The correct quote is that "possession is 9 POINTS of the law" not 9 tenths of the law.
That is a very big difference. If you don't believe me, google it.
"Posession is very much 9/10s of the law. Any lawyer will tell you that"
The correct quote is this:
Possession is nine points of the law.
Not 9/10!! 9 points
Your misquote is enormously different than the real quote. The meanings aren't even in the same ballpark. So no, I don't think "any lawyer" would tell me that, only a really bad one.
"GB" would be a useful code, except that it excludes Northern Ireland, and if you've followed Northern Irish history at all you'll know that the the protestants / Unionists in Northern Ireland are very fond of being part of the UK, and would vehemently protest to the UK being known by a code, "GB", that explicitly did not include them.
.uk to .gb, we'd seriously piss off the Ulster Unionists? Sounds like an excellent reason to me!
So if we changed from
The UK and France were the only ones to declare war on Germany during WWII
Actually, Canada did as well. And Canada had a real military at the time. Not like now, when the LAPD is a stronger fighting force than the Canadian forces.
I always wondered why I always see .com, and almost never .com.us.
The British Parliament is effectively an extension of the US congress.
Or at least Tony Blair is GWB's poodle, or America's foreign secretary according to Jaque Chirac.
Ireland was GIVEN to UK by the pope, in an attempt to stop the UK breaking away from the pope.
If you read the article you might come across the section that sats:
.co.uk domains, you just submitted to the commitee, and if they liked you they voted that you could have the domain and use it. (There might be more to it, I was only 16 when the ISP I was working for was doing this!! - But I do belive thats the gist)
there was no contract between Nominet and the registrants of domain names registered by the "Naming Committee" - the loose assortment of tech-heads that existed prior to Nominet.
Since, at one point you didnt have to pay for
There was also a 'limbo' of about 24 hours when the Naming commity handed over to Nominet, where people could register anything (No more voting by the committee), for free(Because Nominet werent charing yet).. but there is no paper work of any kind for these domains. (One of which I own - But cann't prove and not sure how to go about getting it back into my full control!)
There's also been several court cases I know about because of this lack of paperwork, and people selling domains they may or may not have been the owners off.
Since you never have to pay for these domains, you dont even have the invoices, no renewal fees etc. They just exist. Some are no doubt lost forever because people have just left them behind, and theres nothing to remind anyone about them.
I saw the light at the end of the tunnel... But it was just someone with a flashlight bringing more work.
Anyone know where I can regestar a .GB, as I think we (the brits) should give NI back :)
Wow, I should not post when knackered.
... and then it's yours.
How can they possibly run a country if they can't even organise a domain name for thenselves. Well I ask you!
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Outside of Soviet Russia, joke is on you!
All good points, the real issue is that the UK hasn't
bothered to change its two-letter code to UK from
GB. Odd.
this is a hoax. there's no such country as "uk", it's just an elaborate fiction.
That's for Eire, or The Republic of Ireland, which has the same sort of relationship to Northern Ireland as the US has to Canada: same language, common border, totally different culture.
Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom and is much closer culturally to Scotland, even down to its internal religion-based troubles, than to "The South".
TWW
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
According to Netcracft.com:
The site www.parliament.uk is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Solaris.
Is Microsoft branching out into Unix software after all?
how the fuck do they update their IPs? I think they could just pass a law forcing nominet to register the domain for free. Fuck 'em, all registers are fucking cocksuckers anyway.
The current Slashdot moderation system is made by gay communists!
What about a nice constitution?
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
.gb is registered. There are some old uk military sites on it, or were. Which is even odder.
They want a SSL cert, so they can sell stuff. does the site parliment.uk have to be the same site that 'sells stuff'? can the ordering of govermnet publications be handled by a second site? i.e. www.parliment-gpo.co.uk?
every day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
Well... it depends on the scale of things... 120 years is 1/5th the times my ancestors spent feuding with each other...
Whois www.parliament.uk returns "No match for "www.parliament.uk".(c)Nominet UK" but ping www.parliament.uk returns PING www.parliament.uk (194.60.38.75): 56 data bytes . However, they don't respond to ping. But that probably is offtopic...
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.co.uk - open to anybody, anybody can register them, and have as many as they want. By and large the most popular 2nd level domain in the UK .org.uk - supposedly for non-profit organisations, though again there's no restrictions on who can register them and how many. .net.uk - restricted to ISPs, generally people who have a netblock assigned to them from RIPE, and even then the registration must match the name of the ISP. .me.uk - open to anybody again, supposedly for personal registrations. .police.uk - restricted, open only to police force regions .nhs.uk - restricted, open only to NHS institutions, although even in practice NHS institutions tend to use co.uk and org.uk. .sch.uk - restricted to schools, usually a school will register under a regional version, such as balbycarr.doncaster.sch.uk (in the case of my old school). .ac.uk - similar to above, but for any academic institutions. This includes universities, colleges (such as don.ac.uk), and institutions relating to academia (ukerna.ac.uk - the people who look after the .ac.uk domain) .mod.uk - restricted to Ministry of Defence. .gov.uk - restricted to governmental organisations. .plc.uk/.ltd.uk - restricted to PLCs/Limited companies respectively. Like .net.uk, the registration must match the name of the company registering the domain. .nic.uk - Nominet use only.
.gb TLD, under which a few domains were registered, but is now deprecated.
then there's the oddities:-
parliament.uk - Houses Of Parliament
bl.uk - British Library
jet.uk - European Fusion Development Agency
Also:-
govt.uk - Original governmental 2nd-level domain. Some domains still exist under this (www.meto.govt.uk is one example)
orgn.uk - Original non-profit organisational domain.
There also exists a
The UK is the only country in the world that, by dispensation of the international postal union, doesn't have to put its name on its postage stamps. This is because the UK was the first country to have postage stamps, so when they were introduced obviously there was no need to differentiate them from anyone else's.
.us domain in the same way.
You can think of the US's disregard for the
That's it.
Eire? I dont know of a country called Eire.
:)
The ie. domain does not make distinctions between the South and North.
As for culture and NI not having anything in common with the South, that really depends on your perspective. There are lots of Northern Irish down here, many of whom'd be of the more orange persuasion, and they get on fine. but i'd still say they're closer in culture to the South than to those in England. (same applies to Scotland). There is one cultural aspect that Northern Ireland and Scotland share which the south does not, and which i'm glad of, and that is the secterian bigotry that sadly still infects the two.
There's a reason that orange is one of the colours of the flag of the Republic: Irish independence was originally a middle-class protestant cause and many of the well-known names involved in gaining that independence were protestant. Orange for the Orangemen in the North, Green for the south and white for peace between them.
And imo, the unionists in NI would ultimately be better off sitting in Dail Eireinn than in English Parliament. They'd have a lot more seats and influence for a start - ~25%. However, strange sentimentalities for a dutch prince who lived 400 years ago seem to have clouded their thinking.
And btw, I have a protestant dutch father, and i've lived in scotland.
1. 3.5 million people in the south, ~2.5M in the north. Presuming 60% of the NI population votes for some unionist party, then 1.5M/6M = 25%. Lot better than the measly representation NI has in English parliament. (course, on occassion the unionists will hold balance of power and the "orange card" will be played).
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Eire? I dont know of a country called Eire.
Well, according to article 4 of its constitution, it's the official name of the country where you live in its native language. Now you know!
The ie. domain does not make distinctions between the South and North.
That's a matter of opinion...
There are lots of Northern Irish down here, many of whom'd be of the more orange persuasion, and they get on fine.
Having different cultures does not have to mean not getting on.
Irish independence was originally a middle-class protestant cause and many of the well-known names involved in gaining that independence were protestant.
I think you're confusing "independance" and "wanting to be able to bully anyone they like with no fear of public opinion". Rather like today's "Loyalists": their cause was one of convienience in which only a few intellectuals had any genuine interest. Most people, then and now, would prefer them all to piss off and leave them to earning enough cash to retire on.
They'd have a lot more seats and influence for a start - ~25%.
Yes, and zero influence on the EU, just like the people in Northern Ireland. Big deal! Ireland votes the "wrong way"? Have another vote. Keep on having votes until they give in and vote the "right way". Still, as long as the hand-outs keep coming who gives a toss about independance now, eh?
And btw, I have a protestant dutch father, and i've lived in scotland. :)
I have a mildly protestant Northern Irish family, I'm an athest and my girlfriend's family is Catholic and we live (at the moment) in Surrey although we would move to NI if the government ever decided to lock the criminals up (again) and stop pretending that crack sellers are politically motivated.
TWW
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
That's not going to stop people from saying it the way it is most commonly known, as "nine tenths".
I ran a quick googlefight between "possession is nine points" and "possession is nine tenths", and the former was the overwhelming winner (by an order of magnitude). So, it seems you're wrong -- while "nine tenths" is common, it isn't even close to being most common.
Members of the Government are usually either members of the House of Commons or House of Lords.
Parliment's not part of the government? I'm confused. I always thought it was.
I can tell that you're the typical liberal who loves to criticize American culture. You grew up in the suburbs. You don't have any black friends but you think (and use the word) "urban culture" is great. You think that like is perfect in Britain and France. So, what I have to say to you is 'get the fuck out.' You enjoy another culture, which is basically how you experience life, more so go live within that one. I'm not talking about the government of any country. I'm merely saying that if you like the culture of another country so much better, go live in that one.
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The proper URL is now www.parliament.airstrip1
help me i've cloned myself and can't remember which one I am
I hope you don't ask mommy for milk money with that mouth, son.
Since you figure you've got me all worked out, let's see what I know about you.
You're a whiny little bitch, probably sitting there soiling yourself in idignance as you read this, brain feebly trying to come up with a response that doesn't instantly turn into a string of profanity. You can't argue worth a damn, you can only insult. Even when you throw "a bit more thought" at it, it's plainly obvious you read and write at a sixth grade level.
You're probably going to sit there and fume for a while, then churn out some idiotic response to this like the little monkey you are. You're easier to play than a god damned Nintendo. When someone riles you, you have no recourse but to respond with childish insults. It's truly pathetic.
Thank you for your time, and have a pleasant evening.
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Thinking of starting a company in the Cook Islands?
.co.ck domain now!
:)
Well hurry and get your
Nobody ever believes me when I tell them they can register mybigfat.co.ck. Albeit, it is US$150 to set up and US$150 for two years (for non-NZ residents).
I own a Djiboutian (sp?) domain, wicked.dj, and a Christmas Island domain, suc.cx, but i'd like to get an Icelandic one, *.is. The redirection possibilities are endles... this.is/cool this.is/shit you.are.what.you.is slashdot.is/silly etcetc
... and then there were none
Well, according to article 4 of its constitution, it's the official name of the country where you live in its native language. Now you know!
/after/ people ask why it isnt following its own rules, but still.. :) )
/would/ consider themselves culturally closer to the South than to the english. Further, going by trends in the NI census figures, the "Taigs" look like they may one day be in the majority. (They tend to have more kids than the other half of the NI population). One reason why the Unionists were a bit anxious about the self-determination clause in the Good Friday agreement.
:) ). But who has influence in the EU anyway? That's a general problem with the EU at the moment, very little accountability and even lower perception of the accountability there is. The Nice referendum, well because of the initial "No" we were able to get some concessions, chiefly on neutrality. Once that contentious issue was dealt with the second vote was much more likely to be "yes". Handouts: yes, we took them, but Ireland was very under developed. I'll note that we will soon become net contributors to the EU soon if you exclude CAP (which benefits the big 2 quite a lot too). As for independence, we're still a sovereign state, however we /agreed/ to enter the EU and to the processes, overseeing institutions and international law that go with it, just as has the UK i'll note.
:) (his son has been on TV talk shows down here too). Personally, i rate the leader of the PUP (the guy with the moustache) very very highly.
:)
So it is and all. I always thought Eire was the name the english mistakingly used instead of Eireann, which i thought was the correct name in irish. Hmm.. (i was exempt from irish in school).
That's a matter of opinion...
It isnt, the IEDR dont. Applications are as welcome fron NI as from the south. The general criteria for a ie. domain apply to all 32 counties. (Those criteria may be rubbish, and the IEDR may have a tendency to change its rules
Having different cultures does not have to mean not getting on.
Well, i meant that even those in the north who would consider themselves more english than irish get on fine down south. And in general i feel the scots, northern irish and irish have more in common with each other culturally than they do with the english. Finally, you seem to forget that a significant part of the population of Northern Ireland are "Taigs" and
I think you're confusing "independance" and "wanting to be able to bully anyone they like with no fear of public opinion". Rather like today's "Loyalists": their cause was one of convienience in which only a few intellectuals had any genuine interest. Most people, then and now, would prefer them all to piss off and leave them to earning enough cash to retire on.
I was talking more of the likes of Erskine Childers, the first president of the Free State, Sir Roger Casement, yer man who married Kitty O'Shea and many many other men who were involved in the long struggle for indepedence but whose names i cant remember (was O'Connell protestant? probably not, but OTOH he was rich and in his times it was nearly impossible to be rich and catholic).
Your view on the modern paramilitaries i'd agree on. They're a curse.
Yes, and zero influence on the EU, just like the people in Northern Ireland. Big deal! Ireland votes the "wrong way"? Have another vote. Keep on having votes until they give in and vote the "right way". Still, as long as the hand-outs keep coming who gives a toss about independance now, eh?
Well, the president of the European Parliament is an Irish man (like yourself
Anyway, on the national level, 25% of Dail Eireann beats 2% of English parliament anytime. And the unionists'd be welcomed the same as any other to it. Didnt Pat Kenny have Ian Paisley on his Friday night talk show on RTE1 once upon a time?
stop pretending that crack sellers are politically motivated.
Actually, one of the best arguments i've heard for the 6 counties / Northern Ireland ceding from the UK and joining "Ireland" was that immediately all reasons for republican paramilitarism would cease, and presumably loyalist too, if they wanted this. This argument actually came from a sitting Unionist MP, who was promptly kicked out of his party
I use Friend/Foe + mod-point modifiers as a karma/reputation system.
My own domain is in .cx (Christmas Island); it is pushing it to say that .cx "applies" to people from NI even though they can buy such domains.
Well, i meant that even those in the north who would consider themselves more english than irish get on fine down south
Such people are vanishingly rare in NI; it is a common belief amoungst Southern Irish and even Northern Catholics that non-Catholic Northerners think of themselves as more English than Irish. In fact, Ireland's Rugby team (for example) will be cheered on in any pub especially when playing England. England is regarded very poorly for obvious reasons. I have never met anyone in NI of any background (other than born in England) that would not be insulted by your idea that they would regard themselves as more English than Irish. But I have met plenty that are more British than Irish.
I was talking more of the likes of Erskine Childers, the first president of the Free State, Sir Roger Casement, yer man who married Kitty O'Shea and many many other men who were involved in the long struggle for indepedence
That's the people I meant too: politicians and other low-lifes that want the high-life.
Well, the president of the European Parliament is an Irish man (like yourself :) ).
I'm no more Irish than a Canadian is American and I don't see why that's a problem.
But who has influence in the EU anyway? That's a general problem with the EU at the moment, very little accountability and even lower perception of the accountability there is.
Certainly, I didn't mean that it was a particular issue for Ireland. The EU is a fundimentally undemocratic organisation for all its "citizens".
we were able to get some concessions, chiefly on neutrality.
Ah, Irish neutrality. I often wonder about a country that's still proud that it refused to stand up to the Nazis. I can't imagine why anyone would even want to talk about such a disgraceful act against humanity let alone try to ensure that it could happen again.
we / agreed/ to enter the EU and to the processes, overseeing institutions and international law that go with it, just as has the UK i'll note.
I think that once you are contributing instead of receiving it will start to dawn just how poor a bargain it is, just as the UK is.
we're still a sovereign state,
For sufficently small values of "sovereign".
Personally, i rate the leader of the PUP (the guy with the moustache) very very highly.
You must know very little about him, then; I would be more than happy to see him behind bars. Unfortunately, he's always been very careful. Internment was invented for people like him.
Actually, one of the best arguments i've heard for the 6 counties / Northern Ireland ceding from the UK and joining "Ireland" was that immediately all reasons for republican paramilitarism would cease, and presumably loyalist too, if they wanted this.
This is not true. The Ireland that republican "true-believers" want to join no longer exists (ie a truly Catholic country) and the vast majority of the ones causing the trouble are no longer interested in the issue of a united Ireland. They're making their money from drugs, protection rackets and prostitution. What relevance has a united Ireland to them? They same applies to the loyalist gangs.
This is a problem that can never be solved by politics. Historically, the only thing that has lessened the troubles over the 3-4000 years that they've been going has been low unemployment: idle hands and all that. Poverty breeds discontent and discontent make people easy to manipulate into joining "the cause". If there was zero unemployment in NI the troubles would just end. Until the next economic downturn.
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"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
Contempt of Parliament
Any action taken by either a Member of Parliament or a stranger which obstructs or impedes either Parliament in the performance of its functions, or its Members or staff in the performance of their duties, is a contempt of Parliament.
The Commons has the power to order anyone who has committed a contempt of Parliament to appear at the Bar of the House and to punish the offender.
If the offence has been committed by an MP he or she may be suspended or expelled.
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Ultimately, you're a homosexual and therefore will soon have AIDS.
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