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Lucky Wander Boy

Hello Kitty writes "As far back as 1981, the videogame industry was pulling in more than Hollywood and Vegas combined; that year it raked in $5 billion, and for the most part did so one quarter at a time. So why haven't the arcade games so formative to geek youth (okay, geek 30somethings, young in the glory days of arcade play) gotten their due from the rest of popular culture? Lucky Wander Boy, DB Weiss' debut novel, is a step toward correcting that oversight. It's also a meditation on the bardo (the Buddhist notion of that which lies between the moment of death and the afterlife), on the excesses of the late dot-com era, and on where Pac-Man went in that split-second between disappearing on one side of the screen and reappearing on the other. And oh, yeah, it has a lead character screwed up just like your hysterical older relatives thought you would be if you didn't quit playing those nasty computer games. Bust out the rasterized graphics and Atari cartridges -- it's a party." Hello Kitty's review continues below. Lucky Wander Boy author DB Weiss pages 272 publisher Plume rating 9 reviewer Hello Kitty ISBN 0452283949 summary the Big Videogame Chill

It's the mid-90s and Adam Pennyman's got no particular place to go, so he finds himself in a Los Angeles apartment with a cranky soon-to-be-ex girlfriend and a copy of MAME, everyone's favorite game emulator. His collection grows until he feels compelled to document it, or his life as realized through his gaming, in an unpublishable text called the Catalogue of Obscure Entertainments.

Unimpressed, his girlfriend starts edging out of his life just as a chance meeting with a former friend lands Adam a copywriting gig at Portal Entertainment, a dot-com ostensibly in the process of turning various videogame properties into movies. (The real business, of course, involves turning smoke and mirrors into venture cap; alumni of, oh, D*N or El*ctr*m*dia are encouraged to up the dosage of whatever they're taking to quell the flashbacks during the passages describing Portal's office culture.)

But Portal puts Adam within reach of the gamer's Grail: Lucky Wander Boy, a rare and bizarre game created by the reclusive Araki Itachi. Lucky Wander Boy was years ahead of its time, and so intricately coded that no one, no one, ever reached third level. Or have they? Adam nearly did once, long ago, and has been haunted ever since by a memory of gameplay that just couldn't have truly happened... could it? Adam will go far to find out. Very far indeed.

I love me some metaphysical conceits in my fiction, so strictly for the description of the Lucky Wander Boy game I'd rate this book highly. (It doesn't exist. It couldn't exist. I want it to exist. Dammit.) The author's done a fine job capturing a certain kind of thinking that occurs when smart people start reading deeper meaning into their obsessions.

Adam's ruminations on many of the classics (Pac-Man, Microsurgeon, Donkey Kong, Super Mario Bros., et al.) ring player-true -- which is why it's so glorious and scary when he goes off the rails with you right beside him. If you played in the days when primitive graphics and freshly-minuted archetypes made gameplay somehow even more addictive, this book will cause howls of recognition. Best of all, it's well-written and for the most part affectionate to the subculture; be glad this quasi-historical novel was written by the promising Weiss and not by that maiden aunt of yours who wouldn't let you have any more quarters.

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172 comments

  1. So by unterderbrucke · · Score: 0, Insightful

    We'll correct the oversight of games not being recognized as a part of pop culture by writing a book about them?

    1. Re:So by Flamerule · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "We'll correct the oversight of something not happening by making that thing happen?"

      Yes, that does make sense.

      You see, right now, classic gaming and arcade culture haven't been recognized by any segment of popular culture. However, a large percentage of young adults (and, indeed, older adults) today played video games as a child (or still do). Hence, writing an accessible book that recognizes this experience will automatically become a part of "popular" culture, since a large portion of the population will be interested in the book's subject matter.

      QED, baby. Take a philosophy course sometime, it really can change the way you perceive the world.

  2. Does it detail the part... by The+Beezer · · Score: 0, Funny

    where Lucky Wander Boy becomes the 43rd President of the United States?

    1. Re:Does it detail the part... by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Uh, shouldn't that be "42nd President"?

      No, wait that would be "Horny Party Boy".

  3. Implausible by tmark · · Score: 5, Funny

    so he finds himself in a Los Angeles apartment with a cranky soon-to-be-ex girlfriend and a copy of MAME,

    Right here is where the story would lose me. It is nigh impossible that some nerd with MAME whose mission is to seek out this one mythical video game is going to have a girlfriend in the first place.

    If it were a movie I'd be screaming at the screen.

    1. Re:Implausible by greenalbatros · · Score: 0


      I'd be screaming at the screen


      isnt that what slashdot's all about?

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    2. Re:Implausible by torpor · · Score: 1

      Freaked me out a bit, though. I was in that *same* exact boat myself during the 90's - soon-to-be-gf, life in a dumpy LA apartment, and naught but MAME to keep me company.

      Freakin' introspection...

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  4. Stop Whining by stoolpigeon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So why haven't the arcade games so formative to geek youth (okay, geek 30somethings, young in the glory days of arcade play) gotten their due from the rest of popular culture?

    Am I the only one who saw Tron? Last Starfighter? Mario Brothers?

    Would an InSync ballad to Centipede be what you are looking for? Popular culture has been riddled with the games I loved to play. And vice versa. This whining is unseemly.

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    1. Re:Stop Whining by coke_dite · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Q-BERT!!! I used to *love* that cartoon!!! Mario Brothers was a little weird, but still, it was okay, and the PacMan cartoon? Did the author of this review completely MISS the 80s?? Wasn't Sonic originally an arcade game? (or did that only come out in console? I really don't remember). Arcade video games were a HUGE part of early 80s pop culture :) it's all we had to do on Saturdays!

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    2. Re:Stop Whining by stevey · · Score: 1

      The Last Starfighter was the first film I ever saw at a cinema.

      I'm hoping it will be out upon DVD sometime soon..

    3. Re:Stop Whining by Moskie · · Score: 1

      DVD you say?

      p.s. That's a link off of the imdb page that you linked to. In the upper-right, click on DVD...

    4. Re:Stop Whining by rodney+dill · · Score: 1

      Tron was later on, The tank battle part of Tron was the best part. If you liked that you should download the demo version of Treadmarks. I remember Pong Break out SpaceWars Asteroids Battlezone Later on was Joust, and Donkey Kong. I have an excellent PC version of Asteroids that works just like the arcade version after I remapped the keys. The arrival of these games coincided with my college days so of course I had a lot of time to play them.

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    5. Re:Stop Whining by stevey · · Score: 1

      D'oh!

      Thanks for the link .. I actually searched Amazon.co.uk before posting my message and got no matches. It' turns up just fine on Amazon.com.

      *sigh*

    6. Re:Stop Whining by dexter+riley · · Score: 1

      Would an InSync ballad to Centipede be what you are looking for?

      Well, N'Sync DID sample Pac-Man (and gave it credit) for their song "The Game is Over". But personally, I think Buckner and Garcia did it better.

      wokka wokka wokka wokka wokka

    7. Re:Stop Whining by Shalda · · Score: 2, Funny

      Let's not forget movies based on Mortal Kombat, Final Fantasy, Wing Commander, Tomb Raider, Double Dragon, and so many others. No, on second thought, let's please try to forget all of them.

    8. Re:Stop Whining by madgeorge · · Score: 1

      No Nsync, please. Please don't ruin my memory of the greatest album ever. Yes, I'm a nerd, and I bought the CD from their site. :)

      --madgeorge

    9. Re:Stop Whining by Luveno · · Score: 2, Funny
      Am I the only one who saw Tron?

      Homer: "I'm in a place I've never been before!"
      Marge: "What does it look like?"
      Homer: "Did you ever see the movie Tron?"
      Marge: "No."
      Apu: "No."
      Doctor Hibbert: "No."
      Otto: "No."
      Dr. Frink: "No."
      Chief Wiggam: "Yes.... I mean no."

    10. Re:Stop Whining by Lando · · Score: 1

      Correct me if I am wrong, but The Last Starfighter was never an released game... There were plans to make a game to capitalize on the movie, but I don't think it ever happened. Tron also doesn't work since the game was made based on the moving, not the movie being made based on the game.

      To replace the two that I disqualified I add the following Tomb Raider and Mortal Combat

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    11. Re:Stop Whining by perfessor+multigeek · · Score: 1

      Sure. This is yet another case of folks claiming a neglect or marginalization of gaming that just doesn't exist.
      The truth is that post-Madonna, post-Reagan academia *loves* tropes like those in gaming, while as for transmission within pop culture itself, hmmm, how many early music videos used video game imagery? At least ten? Twenty?
      How about movies? War Games anybody?
      Well, moving on, lesse, clothing? Check. How many gen-Y kiddies bought their Atari or Pac Man t-shirts at Urban Outfitters who never even played Pac Man?
      Music? As you pointed out, songs about video games are just about a cliché.

      I could go on but between us, I think the horse in not only dead but smushed into the sidewalk.
      "Unseemly"? I would vote for clueless and self-involved but it's the same conclusion in either case.

      Rustin

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    12. Re:Stop Whining by coke_dite · · Score: 1
      No, it wasn't made into a game, but it was a movie ABOUT an arcade game - pop culture - get it? :) It was actually a *book* first, if anyone remembers those, but Foster did a pretty good job of setting the good ole arcade game in history - altho my nephew reads TLS now and goes "what was he playing? quarters? HUH?" *sigh*

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    13. Re:Stop Whining by \\ · · Score: 1

      sonic was originally a console game, though an arcade game was eventually made with the same perspective as sonic 3d. mame has only recently gotten it emulated, and it still has some graphical glitches.

  5. Can't read by l33t+j03 · · Score: 1, Funny

    It would take time away from gaming.

  6. Re:Maybe First Post by ggambett · · Score: 0

    There are great games now. I particulary liked The Lost World!

  7. How powerful is Hollywood? by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since you brought it up, how much money DOES Hollywood and the recording industry bring in every year compared to the computer industry/software companies? Hollywood and the record companies seem to be the ones pushing for severe restrictions curtailing our computing equipment.. is it a case of David pushing Goliath around?

    1. Re:How powerful is Hollywood? by Lawbeefaroni · · Score: 1

      The arcade vs. Hollywood comparison is skewed anyway. It's more like arcade vs. Hollywood first run US box office profit. Everyone knows Hollywood is viewed as huge, so everyone loves to compare themselves to it, with a statistician's fine print thrown in.

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    2. Re:How powerful is Hollywood? by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      Not exactly a proper comparison - "Hollywood", for example, has no beef with the console gaming industry, and their problems with PC's have nothing to do with gaming, but piracy of copyrighted content. Hollywood and the gaming industry are coming closer together - they're hardly adversaries...

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    3. Re:How powerful is Hollywood? by jweeld · · Score: 1

      In 2002 Hollywood box office total (first-run ticket sales only) was about $9M.

      In 2002 the video game industry (hardware, software, and accessories) brought in about $10M.

      Hello Kitty is *just* a little bit off with his Hollywood & Vegas combined statement.

      QED

    4. Re:How powerful is Hollywood? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hollywood really doesn't make that much money. They could make a bigger profit by putting all the money they use to make films into a high interest savings account.

    5. Re:How powerful is Hollywood? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have a link to an original study or just some cold, hard numbers? I'd really like to know the origin of this innacurate or highly conditional "video games are bigger than Hollywood" meme.

    6. Re:How powerful is Hollywood? by mrleemrlee · · Score: 1

      "Hollywood" is owned by the same companies that distribute most of the video games ...

  8. Ten Pence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I spent a whole day when I was 12 with a single ten pence piece, playing Wonderboy in monsterland, my score at the end of it was 867,000 odd and I was quite proud.

    Previoud high score just scraped in at the 80k mark.

    I didn't win the weekly high score prize because my dad owned the said arcade.

    Shame. Was a fiver. Could get chips, a litre of cider, and a spccy game in them days. With change. Didn't drink mind you.

  9. RTFR? by russx2 · · Score: 1

    I'm trying.... One of the most random books reviewed on /. I've ever seen.

    Where *does* pacman go?! Arghh

  10. Lucky Wander Boy by larien · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does it include his arch-nemesis, Nastyman?

  11. Lucky Wander Boy == Buddy Lee! by embedded_C · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anyone else think the Lucky Wander Boy looks a little like Buddy Lee?

  12. Where do the little poeple go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No really, where do they go? That little door int he screen. Where do they go?

    Where does the me go?

    Yeah, but where does the meat go?

  13. Quarters? by mrgrey · · Score: 1

    written by the promising Weiss and not by that maiden aunt of yours who wouldn't let you have any more quarters.

    Who needed quarters? Didn't you read the Jolly Roger Cookbook? Getting arcade games for a penny instead of a quarter. Or mabye I read that somewhere else. Flicking pennies up the coin return and getting credits. woohoo.....

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  14. claims... by Misha · · Score: 1

    As far back as 1981, the videogame industry was pulling in more than Hollywood and Vegas combined; that year it raked in $5 billion, and for the most part did so one quarter at a time.

    this seems like wishful thinking. Perhaps Hollywood could not have been a 5 billion dollar market (back then there probably weren't videos, dvds, omnipresent cable tv, product placement, etc.), but Vegas ?!? i really do not think there was a domestic market bigger than Vegas in 1981. maybe DoD... and oil... and cocaine...

    sorry, off topic.

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  15. WTF pop culture do you live in? by mcmonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "So why haven't the arcade games so formative to geek youth (okay, geek 30somethings, young in the glory days of arcade play) gotten their due from the rest of popular culture?"

    Let's see...there have been pop songs about arcade games, movies based on arcade games, movies about people playing arcade games, movies about people arcade video games, television cartoons based on arcade games, and almost every household you see on tv in US of A has at least one video game system.

    Yes, there is no Hollywood 'walk of fame' star for gaming, but what kind of 'due' do you expect?

    I think the important question is, why does every video game on tv sound like Pac Man for the 2600?

    1. Re:WTF pop culture do you live in? by IsoRashi · · Score: 3

      I think the important question is, why does every video game on tv sound like Pac Man for the 2600?

      They actually do this so that it is easily recognized as a video-game. I guess I can understand--as hardware gets better and better some games' graphics are increasingly realistic. Having Pac-man or Space Invader sounds lets everyone know that someone is playing a video-game and not watching car races or something like that.

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    2. Re:WTF pop culture do you live in? by 80bower · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't the fact that they have a big XBox controller in their hand kinda tip off the viewers?

    3. Re:WTF pop culture do you live in? by dmeeking · · Score: 1

      No kidding! Everyone and their dog wears an Atari t-shirt too.

    4. Re:WTF pop culture do you live in? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      No kidding! Everyone and their dog wears an Atari t-shirt too.

      I was amazed to see an Atari sweatshirt on a 13-year-old girl a few weeks ago. She only had any idea what "Atari" was because her mom told her. Where the heck did that come from?

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    5. Re:WTF pop culture do you live in? by Tetsujin28 · · Score: 1
      I think the important question is, why does every video game on tv sound like Pac Man for the 2600?

      We'll figure this out just as soon as we discover why so many or their video text displays still sound like teletypes from 1965.

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    6. Re:WTF pop culture do you live in? by Jester99 · · Score: 1

      The Atari shirt is now classified as "vintage." Teenagers who try to look "cool" and "counter-culture" do so by rejecting modern logos such as the Nike swoosh or whatever and embrace now-obscure logos from the past (e.g., Atari, the Ninja Turtles, etc) to reaffirm to the world that progress in culture died years ago.

      Wow, that sounded cynic. Sorry, I am. :) Anyway, you can readily buy atari t-shirts in "punk" clothing stores, right next to "Emo" CDs.

    7. Re:WTF pop culture do you live in? by Chester+K · · Score: 1

      They actually do this so that it is easily recognized as a video-game.

      Not to mention the more quoted reason that those sounds from the 2600 are the only ones they don't have to pay someone for.

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  16. arcade games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    if they weren't important, i wouldn't have built my own

    1. Re:arcade games by LinuxCumShot · · Score: 0

      dude.. thats fucking sweet.... sweet dude sweet

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    2. Re:arcade games by perfessor+multigeek · · Score: 1

      Very, very pretty.
      I would have KILLED for one of those when I was fifteen.

      *Please* say that you will make the top graphics plate swappable.

      So, are you gonna sell these things or what?

      Rustin

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    3. Re:arcade games by LinuxCumShot · · Score: 1

      the marquee (graphics plate) will be swapable, but at $100 a pop, i don't think i'll be getting more than one.

      you can buy them here http://www.arcadeshopper.com/mame/assembledmame.ht m, but they aren't cheap. i'm too lazy to make another one.

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  17. Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anyone that makes it to the third level gets a visit from Robert Preston.

  18. Re:Arcade games were a FAD by FortKnox · · Score: 1

    Arcade's weren't a fad, they just didn't upgrade at the speed of consoles, so consoles caught up and passed up arcades. Why would I fork over $0.50 a game when I could spend $50 for the entire game, and not have to leave my house (plus better graphics, saved gameplay, and no smoke)?

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  19. Wow by LooseChanj · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Adam is a very sad little boy.

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  20. You see the problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now everyone has consoles. And the internet.

    Unfortunately, if you want some real physical companionship, you have to either :

    1. Find a friend, or someone who will pretend to be your friend whilst you have a superior console or more games

    2. Go into said arcade, and risk the consequences.

  21. That's not quite true. by wackybrit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Disco might not be the same as it was in the 70's, but disco music has consistently proven to be a money spinner.

    Many of the latest cuts from the top DJs are remixes of older tracks, and in the late 90's there was a definite 'disco vibe' to a lot of the commercial club output.

    Recent club music seems to be having a bit of an 80's resurgence (as does European pop music in general - for proof, listen to 'Freak Like Me' by the Sugababes).

    Disco culture, however, has proven popular since the 70's. If you're in the US, just take a look at some of those candy ravers and you'll see what I mean.

  22. Lucky Wander Boy - Sounds Familiar by jratcliffe · · Score: 1

    I wonder if this name has any link (in either direction) to Lupus Yonderboy, in _Neuromancer_?

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  24. wtf. by termos · · Score: 1

    I thought the subject said Lucky Wanker Boy.

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  25. Pinball by TheIronDuke · · Score: 1

    I started with pinball: Gone by the wayside.
    I moved to Space Invaders: Gone as well
    ... Now it's AC2: will be gone in 3 years
    Such is life, such is the way of world and all pop culture. What can I say Shit Happens!

    1. Re:Pinball by The+Jonas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yep, I grew up playing pinball, skee-ball, etc... in old-fashioned arcades and bowling alleys. Did anyone else ever draw a correllation between the makers (Bally, Midway, etc...) of these games and makers of the video games that followed (Same ones, etc...). Aren't these names (Bally, Midway, etc...) tied-in to the casino industry? Does anyone know if video game companies received venture capital (or other funding, investment) from the gambling industry (aka - The Mafia). It seems it would be more profitable and draw less attention from the law to make money from video games (which only provide the illusion of winning something tangible) than operating brick-and-mortar gambling establishments. One may think this is an offtopic rant, but does a plan exist to have the youth of the world addicted (and I use the term very loosely) to gaming/gambling from an early age? Haven't we already seen evidence of this through video_game_themed Slot/Video_Poker machines in casinos for some time now?

    2. Re:Pinball by RembrandtX · · Score: 1

      I still love pinball .. [as shown at http://www.remsbox.com on occation] and have devoted 1/2 my basement to keepign some of these awesome beasts around.

      [and to answer jonas' question below .. yeah .. Bally/Midway design the 'fruit' machines in casinos now.]

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    3. Re:Pinball by Hellkitty · · Score: 1

      Actually, the marriage of pinball manufacturers and gambling devices such as a slot machine is not a new development. They were intertwined as early as the 1930s when pinball was still a flipperless game. Slot machine manufacturers branched out into pin games because they were less regulated and saw an opportunity to break into areas where gambling devices were outlawed.

      There was a long time when many considered pinball machines themselves to be a form of gambling. The states of New York and Wisconsin declared the winning of free pinball games a form of gambling and outlawed it. The work around for this was a style of game called Add-a-Ball, where a player would get a free ball instead of the free game. This satisfied all uptight anti-gambling measures.

      It really is sad that pinball is the product that didn't make it out of this alive. With the exception of Stern, all manufacturers have pretty much abandoned it. Barring any major resurgance in the industry, kids will never know what it was like to hang out at the arcades in the mall, pumping all of your allowance money into Black Knight.

    4. Re:Pinball by La+Temperanza · · Score: 1

      What's *really* sad, IMO, is that digital pinball machines have shown up in arcades. Not just your usual table with an LCD, but software games in the regular arcade cabinets. This is fine on home computers and consoles, but in an arcade it's plain sacreligious. I suspect the mechanical pinball machines break too often to be profitable these days, since you can't really charge more then 50 cents a play.

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  26. High Score - that is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where else can you really obtain a true High Score and true infamy?

    Think Frogger seinfeld ep.

    Virtually every other game can be tampered with, patched, repatched, exploited etc. Plus noone knows who you really are.

    So next time you see an arcade which doesn't have the default high score entries (they all seem to have them these days, pah, kids) think of the skills, effort and no-lifes that these people posess.

    Then think that you just read all this comment, and whats worse, I wrote it.

  27. Merits of old games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A lot of people like to play old games like Donkey Kong, $YOUR_FAV_OLD_GAME. on MAME. However, I think the main draw must be the nostalgia factor, because I find these games to be boring after about 2 minutes of play. I don't think there is any merit to the "they don't make 'em like they used to" argument.

    What are some of your old favorites?

    mine:
    Metroid, Zelda, Megaman, SMB, Tecmo Bowl (yeah, nintendo kicks a55)

    1. Re:Merits of old games by rppp01 · · Score: 1

      I have MAME with 2 games on it- cyberball tournament 2072 and Pigskin 946.

      One I enjoy for the strategy and timing, the other is just funny as hell to run around, picking up weapons and killing the other team's players. Boring? Never. I can play cyberball for hours. While I win most of the time, it still pulls the upset here and there (damn blitzing linebackers!). While I have games up to WarCraft III, I still pull up MAME and Cyberball almost daily to get that rush of running a kickoff back, or catching a receiver with a critical ball- boom!

      I always thought they could make a newer version of the game- the premise is great. Add more coaches, teams, and even network gameplay, this game would be IT for me.

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  28. Sounds like Zen and the Art... kinda... by mekkab · · Score: 1

    I haven't read this book, and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance(ZATAOMM) I read a while ago,

    but it sounds like if you are interested in that sort of philosophy 101 kinda stuff (NOT an insult! I am very into the philosophy 101 stuff! I'd rather not read Kant) its got a video-game wrapper.

    but it sounds like something I'd get from the library and read.

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    1. Re:Sounds like Zen and the Art... kinda... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable. And Heidegger? Heidegger was a drunken beggar who could think you under the table.

  29. Re:Arcade games were a FAD by Drey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Arcades were /always/ full of freaks, they're just no longer /your/ freaks.

  30. Pacman? That's easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "and on where Pac-Man went in that split-second between disappearing on one side of the screen and reappearing on the other"

    There was a urinal just off-screen. You wouldn't think he'd drop his load in front of a crowd of teenagers, 4 ghosts and a bunch of cherries do you?

  31. Megamania! by scovetta · · Score: 0

    Megamania was the greatest game ever. I still play it. I think my high score was around 360,000. Of course, most atari games are superior to the crap they hock in stores now.

    Anyone here ever owned an Aquarius? They had a D&D game on it--probably the best game I've ever played, I wish I could get a PC version of it. Oh well, back to reality.

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  32. Mario Brothers Was Crap by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I think that video games have penetrated (ha ha, I said "penetrated) popular culture to an extent BUT the inroads haven't led to the assault and basic water-logged state of music and movies. Yes, video games make more money than movies but when you're watching television how often do you see commercials for video games? I hardly ever see them. I mean, the only commercials I really remember seeing lately are the ones for GTA and a few for some sports games. Compare this to how often you see commercials for movies - all the goddamned time - and you'll begin to see my main point, which I will get to after a dramatic interlude.

    Dramatic Interlude

    It seems that video games occupy a certain space of popular culture and that it is only slowly expanding beyond that. The geek influences are still in place even though they're mass market items. When I am interested in a new video game or a new system, I don't check the mainstream news outlets, I go to a video game website or read a video game magazine. Comparing this to when I want to read a review of a new movie - just open the newspaper or just watch the trailer on TV and judge it from that. Video games have clearly broken out of the niche of being a toy for kids BUT the marketing of them seems to be stuck in a limited circle. Of course, maybe this is a good thing - perhaps it's the fact that people are interested enough in video games to seek out information about them, without huge marketing budgets pushing them down our throats, that shows just why the video game industry pulls in so much more money.

    Oh also, the Mario Brothers movie was crap. I think that stunning pile of dog feces shows that a lot of people outside of the video game industry just don't get it - they don't have the ability to translate because their heads are stuck in Hollywood mode. All they did for that wretched mistake was take the basic characters from the game (two Italians, one wearing red, the other wearing green) and throw them into a run of the mill crap movie. There was no real use of the dynamics of the games. Video games are different. :D

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    1. Re:Mario Brothers Was Crap by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

      I don't play games anymore and I'm not real into the whole thing like I was when I was a teenager in the 80's.

      But it sounds like from what I've read here that the industry is tough and making money is not easy. Why spend big dollars on advertising if you don't have to?

      Not to mention I would not think the indicators you mention above necessarily are good for measuring pop culture (t.v. ads and newspaper reviews). But I do see video game ads quite a bit. Also I see commercials where video games play a part - like the battery one w/the little handheld games.

      Yes Mario Bros. was not high art- but I'm just saying video games were all over in pop culture in the 80's. Technology in general was huge. It was all out there. Everybody wanted to see all the gizmos.

      Now we've come around full circle. People want the power and convenience of the technology but they do not want to see it. They want it to be like a good butler. Always there, always anticipating your every need, but never intruding.

      .

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    2. Re:Mario Brothers Was Crap by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 2
      You mean you haven't seen the, "It worked -- Dave's a chicken!" commercial, or that kind of spooky one with the little old lady in the nursing home muttering about dragons and whatnot (to her daughter's obvious consternation) until her grandson tells her about the gold crystal or somesuch?

      Maybe we just watch different channels, but I've been seeing a fair number of ads for specific carts as well as consoles themselves. Dothack, Xenosaga -- I don't even own a console (well, I've got a VCS) but I've seen and noticed the ads.

      You're dead right about reviews, though -- they're only sporadic in the mainstream press, and generally in the form of "will this permanently damage your children, or do the effects wear off after while?",

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    3. Re:Mario Brothers Was Crap by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 1
      Hmm, yeah - I think we're watching different channels. I pretty much stick to ESPN, Fox News and TechTV although I occassionally watch some junk on the networks if I feel like sitting on the couch and farting a lot.

      On a related-video games on TV-note, I do watch Extended Play on TechTV (which, in case you've not seen, is a show that has video game reviews) and I really enjoy that. The host is a bit of a clown but I get around that by pretending he doesn't exist. But do you think a show like that would make it on a network? I don't really know. I think the networks don't believe it would get any ratings. But, Siskel and Ebert (minus the dead one, plus the replacement) have a show that's on a network and I guess that must get ratings. So, why couldn't a video game show succeed? Oh well, I'm happy with TechTV.

      Ha, that line about Siskel and Ebert was pretty fun. I crack myself up.

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    4. Re:Mario Brothers Was Crap by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 1

      Yes, we do. My local system doesn't carry TechTV, and I don't spend much time on the other ones. Try TNT, NBC, Cartoon Network, or Fox ('cause pretty much all I watch regularly, besides news, in Law and Order, Twentyfour, and Futurama, so I've probably mostly seen the ads in those places.)

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    5. Re:Mario Brothers Was Crap by mistersupercat · · Score: 1

      Totally agree (not just about Mario Brothers). There is something nice about the fact that I don't have to see GTAIII billboards every five feet everywhere I go... but the penetration of gaming has been limited by a refusal to recognize them as a creative endeavor as worthwhile (potentially, anyway) as movies and music and whatever. And I hate to harp on the most tired-ass analogy in the fucking world... but you're not going to get the Citizen Kane of video games (or pick whatever movie you like the most if you think Citizen Kane is long and boring) until games are to people now what movies were to people in the 30s and 40s. And there's a difference between a story slapped together with the characters from a video game to make a quick buck (even if, like Mortal Kombat I, it's a pretty good popcorn movie), and a story about what games mean to people in the real world. This book is the latter.

  33. I met the author... by gribbly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...at my boxing class. I won't ruin the "mystique" except to say he's a really nice, smart guy with a genuine love for video games.

    I read the book too, and I agree very much with the review. The excerpts from the "Catalogue of Obsolete Entertainments" were my favorite part - some very canny insights into old-school arcade games. I particularly liked in one section where on of the character starts critiquing the catalogue in a manner that completely echoed what I was thinking...

    Go read the book, it's cool!

    grib.

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  34. Re:Arcade games were a FAD by Dread_ed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "I still prefer battling it out with another live human in a game of Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter 2"

    Me too, however I get the same thrill matching wits and reflexes while playing Quake/UT/etc. online. It's nice to play for free and I don't have to leave the house.

    The other nice thing is no one complains that I am stark naked.

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  35. I can prove you're wrong. by solarrhino · · Score: 3, Funny
    It is nigh impossible that some nerd with MAME [...] is going to have a girlfriend in the first place

    Behold! I give you CmdrTaco!

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  36. back in my day by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even the coolest video games only cost a quarter! Now anything more advanced then a 1994 version of Street Fighter costs at least 50 cents, and I've seen some that take a doller to two dollers just so you can lose after one try.

    That's the reason I was turned off from arcades, dagnabbit.

    OT: I think the best baseball game ever made was SNK "Baseball Stars" for the NES. I've yet to seen one be as fun as that.

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    1. Re:back in my day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm still a cheap bastard in aracades. Will only pay 25 cents. Which means I get like 3 machines to choose from. Which is usually fine, since the expensive ones are all streetfighter clones anyway.

    2. Re:back in my day by funbobby · · Score: 1

      If you're ever in Silicon Valley, there are a bunch of nickel arcades here, where you can play all kinds of games really cheaply. ( I think one is called "Nickel City" if you want to look it up)

      You pay two bucks to get in the door, and then 5 to 15 cents a game, some of them even pretty new. But the best part is a wall of games in the back that are FREE. This includes a lot of old favorites from the 80's.

      I don't know if these things exist elsewhere. Have other people seen them in other places?

      One interesting thing I've concluded from them is that a large part of the cost of video games is maintenance, since about half the games in the nickel arcade are usually broken. (but its not so frustrating to lose your money when its only a nickel)

      OT: Glad to hear someone else say it: SNK was the best baseball game ever. No question.

    3. Re:back in my day by DLWormwood · · Score: 1
      I don't know if these things exist elsewhere. Have other people seen them in other places?

      I have; there's some in Northwest Ohio. (Findlay has one that I've been to.) There, they are usually run as an extension or "kid-friendly" version of the adult-focused mega-arcades (like Dave & Buster's) that are in vogue currently.

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    4. Re:back in my day by mark_lybarger · · Score: 1

      nope, as the op mentioned, most games cost $1.00 or more. the only arcades are in bar type places (dave-n-busters) or in movie theaters. no such luck for .25$ games these days.

    5. Re:back in my day by NeuroManson · · Score: 1

      Except for laserdisk games. Some of those monsters would eat an entire week's allowance (in ye olden days, $5 to $10 depending how rich your parents were) within an hour.

      he sheer volume of quarters I pumped into Dragon's Lair is about what some would pay to have sex with a real woman, let alone Princess Daphne.

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    6. Re:back in my day by Techiegeeks · · Score: 1
      OT: I think the best baseball game ever made was SNK "Baseball Stars" for the NES. I've yet to seen one be as fun as that.
      Your absolutely right about that. Baseball Stars rocked! I remember hiring all rookies for my team and playing the Lucky Ladies (got more cash for playing the ladies). My brothers I would play this one to death! Great game. It was way ahead of it's time!
  37. Fucking geek steroetypes. by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    God. I have a wife. I have a copy fo MAME. I'm a hard core nerd, my day job is coding z80 ASM for ATM's, my hobby at night is making video games. Yet, I've dated a lot, had a lot of girlfriends, and don't understand this geek steroetype BECAUSE NO ONE I HAVE MET HAS EVER BEEN ONE. And I know alot of nerds.

    God. You know what's unbeleivable? Somebody so stupid they actually would place their suspension of disbleif in something so bad as a stereotype. 1. It's fiction. So suspend away NONE OF IT IS REAL. 2. That would be like saying "God, this cop-buddy comedy with a black man in it isn't racist enough in it's portrayal of a subculture.".

    1. Re:Fucking geek steroetypes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You said God quite a few times there, sexual frustrations????

    2. Re:Fucking geek steroetypes. by The+Apostrophe+Guy · · Score: 0
      ""God, this cop-buddy comedy with a black man in it isn't racist enough in it is portrayal of a subculture."

      You should have used "its", you stereotypical fucktard.

    3. Re:Fucking geek steroetypes. by jgerman · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      NONE OF IT IS REAL


      Patently untrue bullshit. Sterotypes come into existence for a reason, they are a valid generalization that have aquired a stigma with the onslaught of PC. That's not to say that you can ever apply a sterotype to a particular individual, the chances of every attribute of the sterotype fitting are next to nil.


      Sterotypes are a distillation of the common traits of a group. They are valid, however you are correct. You cannot apply them to an individual with any accuracy. However, we're talking about humor here, it's a joke lighten up.


      Besides:



      God. I have a wife. I have a copy fo MAME. I'm a hard core nerd, my day job is coding z80 ASM for ATM's, my hobby at night is making video games. Yet, I've dated a lot, had a lot of girlfriends


      Fat chicks don't count.


      Thppppt

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    4. Re:Fucking geek steroetypes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a major dooooooosssshhbaaagg! And I bet you couldn't get laid with a line of creidt in a whorehouse.

    5. Re:Fucking geek steroetypes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, I know that Slashbot you're replying to was awfully lame, even pathetic... But you're coming off as awfully emotional and defensive here.

      Yeah, the kid was dumb, making a tired and predictable joke. I guess he thought it was funny. I wasn't laughing. But you don't have to say fucking this and fucking that.

      I see a lot of ignorance here on slashdot. I see a lot of ignorance here on planet earth, and in life. But lately I find it's best not to get worked up about it. Just as long as you know to yourself, in your own heart and in your own mind, what the score is, what is right, and the truth, you are golden. Let the ignorant be ignorant.

    6. Re:Fucking geek steroetypes. by ColdForged · · Score: 1

      Easy, man, he was simply going for a (+5, Funny), he didn't screw your sister. I mean, he is a geek, he'd probably just ask her whether she could help him exchange his floppy for a hard drive, get slapped, mope in his room and play Doom before shooting a dozen people at his high school.

      Oh wait, am I mixing stereotypes?! I always get geeks and goths mixed up.

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    7. Re:Fucking geek steroetypes. by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      You said God quite a few times there, sexual frustrations????

      Well, he did say he's married...

  38. Captain N: The Game Master by yorgo · · Score: 1

    Anyone remember this blockbuster? Captain N: The Game Master http://us.imdb.com/Title?0096554

  39. Title Rhythm by Iridar · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm sorry, but every time I see this title I think "Happy Fun Ball" for some reason.

    Do NOT taunt happy fun ball...

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  40. Amazon's "Also shopped for list" by pbemfun · · Score: 2, Funny

    Since this book is about geeks and games, I think its kinda appropriate that Amazon's "Customers who shopped for this item also shopped for" list contains: The Definitive Book of Pick-Up Lines. :)

  41. cheap royalties or running joke? by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

    I would think the holding of video game controllers and the dialogue about, "Hay, let's play video games" would clue the viewer they're not watching a show about people watching car races. And it's not "Pac-man or Space Invader sounds" or a composition of stereotypical video game sound, it's Pac-Man for the Atari 2600.

    I've heard it on at least a dozen different sit coms, for range of game--road racers, FPS, etc. I can't be the only person who's noticed this.

    1. Re:cheap royalties or running joke? by Pxtl · · Score: 1

      Its because some sound engineer who probably hates his job of professionally hunting down varied canned laughter tracks has been told "go find me some videogame sounds and a speedball" by the director.

    2. Re:cheap royalties or running joke? by IsoRashi · · Score: 1

      If the kid or whoever is already sitting down playing, then there's not necessarily dialogue clueing you in to the fact that s/he's playing video-games. And if the person has his/her back to the camera, then you can't exactly see the controller. Okay, so it's specifically Pac-man and no other game, but my original point stands.

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  42. True Dat, Yo by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 3, Informative
    Well measuring pop culture is a really hard problem (we're talking NP here) and I don't think there are any "good" ways of doing it. We can discuss what seems to be popular based on indicators but without having some way of observing all people at all times - it's hard to really know what is popular and what isn't. Economically, video games are obviously a huge part of pop culture because they are a very large industry. But I think that if you asked the average scumbag on the street which was a bigger part of pop culture, movies or video games (again, I don't really know how you go about measuring such a thing), he would say movies. I believe that there's a perception that video games are small market while movies, television, music, etc. are big market. Of course, this perception may have to do with the fact that people become famous from being in a movie or on television or releasing music - but who wants to look at the people from Id?

    I think that this perception is what the article summary was talking about. Video games are a part of pop culture but people think they play a much smaller role than they do.

    Interesting analogy with the butler there; very true. No one wants to solder anymore! - those wimps

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  43. My wife got pretty good at chair sex... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because of games, so I see it as a positive aspect.

    1. Re:My wife got pretty good at chair sex... by BurKaZoiD · · Score: 1

      You made your wife have sex with a chair?!?

  44. Perspective by prgrmr · · Score: 1

    So why haven't the arcade games so formative to geek youth (okay, geek 30somethings, young in the glory days of arcade play) gotten their due from the rest of popular culture?

    As mentioned, this isn't exactly accurate. Arcades were and are still very much of an either/or proposition: Either you went, or you did not; and the folks in the later case greatly outnumbered those of us in the former. Yet anthor example of being good vs. being popular. If this doesn't make sense, watch Tron a couple of times through.

    mark

  45. Arcades "Back In The Day" by istartedi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you played in the days when primitive graphics and freshly-minuted archetypes made gameplay somehow even more addictive, this book will cause howls of recognition.

    I feel priveleged to have been born in '68, because I got to experience arcades at the height of their glory. Best arcade I ever went to: Spaceway Raceway in Springfield Mall. Actually, there were *two* arcades in Springfield mall during the 80s--IIRC, they were both called "Timeout" at one point. The Spaceway Raceway was the one that was remodeled to include a circular electric bumper-car track.

    The important thing is that the arcades were DARK. This cannot be stressed too much. Also, games were new, we were young, and this was "cutting edge technology that nobodoy knew where it would take us". It was soooo... easy to get "lost" in this fantasy world... perhaps too easy. I honestly believe I was addicted to games at one point.

    Timeout is still there, but SWRW was turned into something else... not sure what. The beginning of the end came for me when games started getting "cartoony" and I learned to drive. Then they started turning on lights in Time Out. They started turning on lights in all the arcades, reason given was that drug deals and pick-pocketing were going down. Lousy people always have to spoil it... but perhaps this was part of the "Star Wars Cantina" low-grade danger that made the places so appealing... that, and the fact that I had to ride my bike pretty far to get there.

    It all fell apart when I went to college. Even before that, they were losing their luster. And, when you can drive a car, there are much more interesting places to go...

    Of course kids these days have better tech, but I can't help but think they are deprived. There tech is too good. No epic bike rides for gaming... they sit on their butts too long... the effect of the tech and the direction it will take seems more predictable.

    Games now? I fire up Quake once in a while when I'm frustrated with something, but that's it. The addiction left, as mysteriously as it came.

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    1. Re:Arcades "Back In The Day" by VGMSupreme · · Score: 0

      {Might be OT, so don't flame me in a bad way.}

      In a way, you might be right, we are deprived. We did not have the same experiences as you did when arcades were at their prime. But there are still some people of our generation that beleive that the older arcades are "more of a game" (use this term loosely) than the newer ones that are out now.

      Personally, alot of the newer arcade games out now (if you can find one now), contain games that are very high tech, but alot of memorization and/or are very complex to pick up. A couple of years ago, I walked into a arcade, and between the 30+ machines in there, I only saw three machines really being used. One was the Marvel vs Capcom, which alot of people were crammed at with quarters planced on the game to hold spots. The other game was the first Gautlet (sp?) (The third game was a old racing game that people were crowding around cause the guy has nearly beaten all of the tracks, and were both rooting for him to finish, and yelling at him to stop putting quarters in the machine and give someone else a chance). When I walked up to the Gautlet group and watch, it was crowded with people older than I was (and I was 17, these people looked to be about 35-40, very odd for me). They were all talking about the games back in the day and I wish I could get in on the conversation, but I knew nothing about the games of the day. The mentioned a few things that you said (place being dark, people playing for hours on end, etc.)

      I had to think about it for a second, but our technology has brought us a long way from what was Tron and Ms. PacMan, but we don't really show our apperication for the past. Most of us take it for granted. I hear people talk about the latest games for the PS2 and Xbox, but I barely hear anyone talk about Blaster Master for NES, or Donkey Kong for Coleco (sp?) Vision (Yes, I had that system, and I was 5 when I started playing it).

      If there was a museum for the era in which the first arcade games came out, I would so go and visit, to remember the roots of what brought up the video game industry, but for now, I will deal with what I have, and maybe at some point, I will finally finish playing Zelda 1.

      (P.S. I am just curions (and yes, this is OT), but is there an actual end to PacMan, or does it just keep going?)

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    2. Re:Arcades "Back In The Day" by Steve525 · · Score: 1

      I can relate to a lot of what you wrote. I suspect a lot of people our age can. That's one of the things that made MAME so great when I first discovered it: shared nostalgia.

      I will admit that when Doom came out, suddenly I was interested in games again. I still am, but the interest is waning. There doesn't seem to be anything as fresh and exciting out now, just the same old gameply with better graphics. In addition, I'm busier with family. I guess you could say the same happened all those years ago, when I was first able to drive. The games were getting old, and I had better things to do.

    3. Re:Arcades "Back In The Day" by perfessor+multigeek · · Score: 1

      Oh, most certainly. You take me back. Born in '66, myself.

      I used to be really into video games back in the late seventies when Asteroids was considered very high tech.

      There is just no way that the sort of arcades I went to could exist now. First of all, I went to ones on the edge of Times Square in New York City. Yeah, that Times Square. Pre-cleanup, with drug dealers and trannie hookers and all the stuff they've now made movies of. And I was a geeky little white boy waiting patiently (mostly) for my turn at whatever.
      Know what? I never once had a problem. Never had a quarter stolen or so much as a person jump me in line and get away with it.

      Back in those days, hard though it must be for the youngun's to picture, video games were actually a little bit "gangsta". In sleazy neighborhoods, along whatever the local midway was, with the tough guys (and some girls) playing the harder pinball games and kids hanging out who were pretty much homeless and used arcades as a warm, relatively safe place to be indoors.
      Around here video games were just a new form of pinball and pinball was a thing learned by people who spent their days in bars. A few steps down from pool because at least pool meant the bar was respectable enough to have room for a table. Pinball or Space Invaders would just be shoved in whatever corner they could fit it in. Or maybe they would get one of those fancy tables with a video game built in. Sit down with your drink, drop in a quarter and play Pong. Yeah, that's right. Pong.
      I *loved* those games. But I also was there *because* I was a geeky white boy. Because there, of all places, I wasn't the "walking dictionary" or the person to push in the halls because I knew too many answers or didn't dress right.
      I was just one more guy among the other guys, and as long as I was straight with them, they were straight with me. You could lean over the shoulder of a guy who was perhaps a few years from federal prison and comment on his Galaga technique or he might do the same with you. It was all cool.
      Hang out at a place for a while and you were just you. They nodded at you at the counter in recognition when you came in to get your quarters, maybe slipped you an extra one or let you get away with being a bit short once in a while. It was a level of class ambiguity and allowed risk that seems as distant from how today's kids live at the Victorian Era.
      Now, sure, I don't remember the name of a single person I used to exchange tips and comments with back in '78 or '79. And I'm sure that some of them are now dead and perhaps a few would even consider me mugging material if they were to see me in a dark alley some day. But it was still a wonderful and even important part of growing up for a lot of us. No higher frame rates or better motion capture will ever give back the old ways.
      Think about it. For us, video games taught us socialization skills. Well, arcades, actually. How ironic. How hard, these days, to parse. Chuck E Cheese just ain't ever gonna provide the same sort of thing.

      I'm glad that Terminator II and Lost Boys and War Games had the arcade scenes they did. It's not much, but at least it sealed for the record a tiny flavor of what that was like. Truth is, I think Pretty In Pink does a better job of capturing the wrong-side-of-the-tracks dynamic that underlaid it all.

      *sigh*

      Not much we can do to get that back, is there?
      Maybe build more of those nickel arcades.
      Spread 'em around.

      Guess we'll all do what we can.

      Rustin

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    4. Re:Arcades "Back In The Day" by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > But I also was there *because* I was a geeky white boy. Because there, of all places, I wasn't the "walking dictionary" or the person to push in the halls because I knew too many answers or didn't dress right.

      Wow. Took the words outa my mouth.

      Favorite arcade memory - a chance meeting with one of my high school minor-nemeses at one of the rougher downtown arcades. Hey, it was the only place that had enough Robotrons that I could actually play for an hour or so without having to yield the machine to the guy with the next quarter lined up on the control panel.

      I had no idea my minor nemeses was even there until I heard a couple of familiar voices behind me - "Holy shit! It's $NAME!!" ("$NAME? What the fuck's he doing here?!") "I dunno, but check it out, he's kickin' ass!"

      > Think about it. For us, video games taught us socialization skills. Well, arcades, actually. How ironic. How hard, these days, to parse. Chuck E Cheese just ain't ever gonna provide the same sort of thing.

      Yep. Nemesis and I both learned a lesson about "respect" that day. We never had trouble with each other again.

    5. Re:Arcades "Back In The Day" by La+Temperanza · · Score: 1

      PacMan has 256 levels, but the very last one is corrupted. Far more prestigious then nearing the last level is nearing the perfect score: 3,333,360 points. This was first achieved in 1999 by a 33-year-old hot sauce manufacturer named Billy Mitchell, 19 years and over 10 million plays after the game appeared in arcades.

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  46. Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Acording to Forbes Magazine, the Video Game Industry made closer to 10 billion in 2002. Thats in the US alone.

  47. 30 somethings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Friday nights at the arcade with the tokens lined up 4 rows deep on the donkey kong machine. oh, and you could actually smoke while you played your video game if you were so inclined.

    That was back when pacman for the 2600 looked liked dog shit, but you still put your order in months in advance to plop down your $50. I guess this wa '82'sh.

    I guess when the graphics on your x-box are just as good or better than anything in the arcades these days, there's not much point of an arcade. Kindof a shame though. Something about the dark arcades, with all the different sounds and music(everybody hating the manager/token-boy), beating each other's high scores, just doesn't cut it while sitting on your couch.

    Maybe arcades will make a comeback with some kind of advanced virtual reality system with full tacticle/pressure suits. Who knows.

  48. Re:Arcade games were a FAD by prator · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I'd like to issue a formal complaint concering your stark nakedness.

    -prator

  49. Re:Wonderboy eh'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The least you could fucking do is get the lyrics right, asshat. Quit karma whoring for "Funny" (especially since this'd be "Redundant", see the link to the Wonderboy lyrics above). Die now, thanks.

  50. heh, yeah by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 1

    nothing beats playing super mario 3 for sexual favors either. A favorite game for me and my wife- - heh.

  51. Waaaay Off Base by Reedo · · Score: 1

    Hollywood makes FAR more than the gaming industry. Always has and will for at least a long time yet. This myth about the gaming industry making more than Hollywood began because it was reported that the game industry had surpased BOX OFFICE receipts (true, BARELY). This turned into, "Games are bigger than movies!"

    Nope, isn't even close. Once you include DVD sales/rentals and such, Hollywood is way above and beyond the gaming industry.

  52. heh I'm at work right now.... by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 1

    so there unless my wife drops out of the sky, I think I'll be sexually frustrated until I get home from work.

    1. Re:heh I'm at work right now.... by GTRacer · · Score: 1
      ...until I get home from work.

      Why wait? Surely there must be SOMETHING you can do about it!

      GTRacer
      - Not really endorsing such interoffice activity

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  53. it sure beats having sex with a joystick by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 1

    brings a whole new meaning to the name "space invaders".

    Of course, with the PSX/2 vibrating function, it's almost as if the controller was asking for it.

  54. Billion not Million by jweeld · · Score: 1

    Oops...I meant B as in billion, not M.

    QED

  55. In search of turtles, the Arcade Game... by linus_vp · · Score: 1

    I can totally relate to the main character in the book wanting to find an old arcade game. In fact I was looking for Turtles by Konomi, 1980, a couple years ago, and couldn't find it. Then, enter MAME, and a seach for the rom - voila. Now I'm happily playing it. www.mame.dk/gameinfo/turtles/

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  56. Cold Hard Numbers (via Business 2.0 Magazine) by Reedo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's what the September 2002 issue of Business 2.0 magazine had to say about this myth.

    Videogames Vs. Hollywood
    You've probably heard that the videogame business is now bigger than the movie industry. Don't believe the hype. The reality: Videogame sales last year still trailed Hollywood box-office receipts (not to mention books and music). Throw in revenues from VHS and DVD sales and rentals, and game software becomes a distant also-ran.

    Share of the entertainment dollar, 2001 (TOTAL: $59 Billion)

    Video (VHS and DVD): 28%
    Books: 28%
    Movies (box office): 14%
    Music: 19%
    Videogames: 11%

    1. Re:Cold Hard Numbers (via Business 2.0 Magazine) by senorsangre · · Score: 2, Insightful

      http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/fun.games/03/12/game. sales.reut/index.html

      Well take a looksee at this. Videogame sales have apparently tripled, then, since 2001. And we all know that piracy is "killing" the music business, so its share will have gone down. DVDs are more popular then ever, so its chunk may have risen. So either the video game industry has Andersen for bookkeeping, or Bidness 2.0 and CNN have some wonky numbers.

  57. Hmm... by fondue · · Score: 1
    I'm confused. Is the book's author breathtakingly pretentious and only barely acquainted with video games, or just this reviewer?

    'Lucky Wander Boy'? 'Araki Itachi'? Nostalgia instead of appreciation? Oh... just, *cringe*

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    1. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i read an advance copy a few weeks ago and thought it was really good. it's a little strange in places, but the ending was phenomenal, and it is definitely not a 'nostalgia' book. almost none of it even takes place in the 80s.

  58. thank you by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 1

    i'll remember that next time I'm typing in a response to a post that will maybe last a day or two on the internet, you shit for brains.

  59. ? that was unnecassary. by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 1

    you didn't have to slam my wife. First of all- not fat, but like you would know in the first place. Of course, if you knew anything about women, you'd also know how utterly cruel of an insult this is. No matter how thin the woman is, a sentance like that could send her into extrememly deep depression.

    only a real prick would say something like that off-handedly.

    Joke or not, I hate these stereotypes. So far, I've met no one who fit into it. To me, it's about as bad as saying "All mexians or lazy". It's not there for a reason, other than as a self-perpuatating myth. You enjoy perpuatating it because of the positive aspects of the stereotype.

    1. Re:? that was unnecassary. by Kintanon · · Score: 1

      Hell, my wife would beat the shit out of someone that had the bad manners to call her fat... I mean good lord, what kind of total asshole does someone have to be to say something like that and think no one will care?
      Possibly his problem is that he's never spoken to an actual female... Perhaps he should get out more?

      Kintanon

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    2. Re:? that was unnecassary. by jgerman · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      I have no problem being called a prick, that's life and I expect as much from people with no sense of humor. I also don't get offended by what people post on /.. So regardless of what you claim outright or imply in your posts, my self image isn't threatened, maybe you should try the same attitude, life will be much easier.

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    3. Re:? that was unnecassary. by jgerman · · Score: 1

      Oh and BTW as far as sterotypes go you've thrown out a few yourself, as well as some unfounded generalizations. The difference is, I'm not a hypocrite when I do it.

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    4. Re:? that was unnecassary. by dswensen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, lord knows when I see someone posting insulting flamebait on Slashdot, the first thing I think is "now there's a guy that's secure in his self-image!"

      Good one, kid.

    5. Re:? that was unnecassary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Possibly his problem is that he's never spoken to an actual female... Perhaps he should get out more?
      Well, I've known a lot of people like that, that will just call a girl "fat" unprovoked, or call perfectly attractive women "ugly"... And a lot of the times the problem with these guys is not that they don't have girlfriends -- they just don't deserve them.

      Usually, they have pitiful views of relationships and indeed life itself, but so do their significant others. It's depressing, really.
    6. Re:? that was unnecassary. by jgerman · · Score: 1

      LOL. Actually it wasn't flamebait, but I'll take the label, karma to burn and all. It was actually a joke, and that wasn't even the primary portion of the post, but oh well, some people are uptight some aren't.

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  60. Old Skool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To me arcades were a kinda of heaven. A place of escape and fantasy. The arcade machines themselves were visual works of art expecially in the low light. I think the art portion is not appreciated as much. It wasn't complex most of the time but from a visual stand point they are\were brilliant. Down the line I plan on buying a bunch of old games and some new ones. So lets hear it everyone. What was your favorite, nostalgia video game. Not necessarily the best game you liked but the one that helps define arcade to you.

    For me it's Star Castle or Star Wars Arcade. Love those vector graphics!

    1. Re:Old Skool by Techiegeeks · · Score: 1

      I'm 32 and I lived through the Arcade Hey Day. And while I enjoyed arcades in the 80's, it wasn't until the late 80's/early 90's until my favorite 2 games came out Street Fighter 2 and Mortal Kombat. Besides which, I sucked at Pac-Man and Donkey Kong! :) I think what makes those games stand out is the fact you would play someone else. Human vs. Human. It was so much fun to play against another human!

    2. Re:Old Skool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea I was/still am a big Street Fighter fiend. My friend owns an actual Hyper Fighting Cabinet. I play Alpha, Hyper regularly through WinKawaks. Game play is fantastic and on newer the titles from Capcom the backgrounds are imaginative and beautiful. Though I still love Vector games I can still appreciate all the new stuff, I'm not closed minded to fun! LOL. I'm 30 and all my friends in their late 20s and 30s still get together to play head to head. As for arcades, they will make a comeback. It's just a matter of breaking new fantastic technology that home systems can't replicate. And when it comes around I'll be there to play it along with everyone else.
      C you at the arcades.

  61. not without by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 1

    scaring the crap out of the two chinese girls that share an office with me. I knwo, I can claim I really love programming, and that I'm just typing really fast....

  62. I read this book by mo · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, I had the displeasure of reading this book. While the subject matter is right up my (and most slashdotter's) alley, the author lacks the ability to actually present characters, and a story that is worth reading. It's like watching a documentary on the discovery channel with the volume turned all the way down. You're pretty sure it's supposed to be something you like but by the end, you never really got anything useful from it.

    If you're considering buying this novel, don't. It's really bad, even if you are a videogame geek.

    1. Re:I read this book by mistersupercat · · Score: 1

      I have to disagree. I read the book, I thought the central character was very well drawn, and that the book was a very unique take on the 'quest story' genre (since what the character is questing for is basically unattainable). Since the whole story is told from one character's point of view, the other characters are seen through his eyes, and his powers of perception are pretty limited when it comes to other people. But I thought it was consistently funny, LOL in many places, insightful, and a little sad. Oh well. That's what makes horse races...

  63. thanks man. by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 1

    That was really damn rude of him. I wonder why he thinks the geek stereotype is true? Maybe it's easier to blame something outside fo your control rather than to admit that saying shit like that will drive girls away faster than rotting meat tapes to your genitals.

    1. Re:thanks man. by dswensen · · Score: 1

      He's just a troll trying to get a rise out of you. Pay them no mind.

  64. US perhaps by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 1
    But I think in the UK for example videogames retailed more in 2002 than video or box office, and was catching the heels of music.

    Of course, your figures are also for 2001 (a bad year, just before CameCube and Xbox kicked in).

  65. cheating? by kisrael · · Score: 1

    Hmm, MAME has a facility for hacking/cheating games, kind of like Game Genie / Gameshark for console systems. I wonder if the protaganist considered looking for some cheat codes to help get through that level...

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  66. 2600 Pac Man by dstone · · Score: 1

    why does every video game on tv sound like Pac Man for the 2600?

    Ugh. The 2600 version has the worst sound fx of any version I've ever heard. Eating the dots sounds like "gonk gonk gonk gonk" instead of the authentic "waka waka waka waka".

  67. Re:Arcade games were a FAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just want to know if the moderator who rated this interesting was interested in the fact you play FPS's online, or that you do it naked...

  68. You got the subject wrong... by wikthemighty · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...I think you meant to say non-fucking geek steroetypes.

    Either that or you're thinking of a different one than I am.

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  69. mod up by rppp01 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I almost shot soda out my nose when I read this....lol...

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  70. hahah- damn, didn't think about it that way. n/t by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 1

    NO TEXT!@

  71. yeah i guess your right by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 1

    but i've also had very little sleep today...so i probably should have phrased it better. but I didn't.

  72. Horace goes Skiing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Horace goes Raving
    Horance goes bungee jumping
    Horance goes mental
    Horace get aquitted
    Horace and the Happy Hairy Humping Heathen Hippies
    Horace on Mars
    Horace does Slashdot
    Horace get First Post

  73. Not surprising by Powercntrl · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yet, I've dated a lot, had a lot of girlfriends, and don't understand this geek steroetype BECAUSE NO ONE I HAVE MET HAS EVER BEEN ONE.

    My God man, no wonder you've never met any stereotypical geeks! There're not going to be at places you MEET people! True geeks avoid social meeting places and if you approach them at work they just mumble something about staplers until you go away and leave them to their coding.

    Want to find some REAL geeks? You need to stay IN more - go on IRC, start a blog. The geeks will come.

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  74. gl00000ry daayyyz.... by mojoNYC · · Score: 1

    my favorites from back in the day:

    space invaders, gorf, donkey kong, joust, tempest, dig dug, wizard of wor, galaga...

    now, i can't even be bothered to fire up my roomie's ps2, but i'd love to get my hands on any of the above consoles....

    1. Re:gl00000ry daayyyz.... by Techiegeeks · · Score: 1

      Get yourself Mame (http://www.mame.net/). Then you can!

  75. That's suck an idiotic claim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many video games do you own?

    How many DVDs?

    Now consider that at least half the population doesn't play video games at all.

  76. heh go outside? by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 1

    i never said i went outside. you can meet people online as well...

    and why do you think I posted so much in this forum today? Because I am socialite? No. I too just mumble and etc when people try to talk to me (although not about staplers....mainly because there is no such thing as a red swingline stapler...heh) at work. But then again, I hate everyone I work with.

    I do have friends in the real world- but since I've gotten married I much perfer stayinh home with my wife after work than going outside.

  77. re: Atari 2600 PacMan-in-name-only by stonedCoder · · Score: 1

    I think the important question is, why does every video game on tv sound like Pac Man for the 2600?

    damn right! I've noticed that since the 80s up to present day. CLANK CLANK CLANK CLANK... so close to the original, too(!)

    Is there some 'realistic computer noises'[tm] audio stock all non-primetime studios bought back in the day? ;)

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  78. Seems kinda thin storywise, by NeuroManson · · Score: 1

    Maybe he should have titled it "Pac Man Feeble" instead?

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  79. Are you sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They weren't basing it on your previous purchases?

  80. focus by simpl3x · · Score: 1

    we all wish 43 had the attention span to get past the first level!

  81. Ghettoization of Gaming Coverage & Ads by perfessor+multigeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ok, *now* I understand.

    Yes. I agree. Pop culture has long since taken video games to heart, but the powers that be in Hollywood and the other centers of Big Media still don't get it.
    Now, personally, I think that it's a generational thing. Oddly enough, given their core customers, media companies famously are run by guys (pretty much all guys) who are positively decrepit. And like Wall Street, the culture is so strong and pervasive that even if somebody isn't from that world, they ape its morés and behaviors to fit in.
    Unitl the people running the studios and managing the papers/televison stations are of the generation that grew up with video games, and even for five or six years after that during the transitions in priorities and procedures, this will keep happening. If you look at magazine publishing, from GQ to TimeOut, they review video games just as they do movies, and have for years. So do pretty much all men's magazines (especially the "lad"-oriented ones), most of the hipper style magazines (Vice, not Vogue), as well as most nightlife guides.
    Of course the weakness in this argument is that there is no reason that iD can't just write a check to ABC and have ads all over the screen by Monday morning. Why don't they? Dunno.

    Me? I don't have a TV, stopped playing video games in the late eighties, and only keep an eye on this stuff as a media guy tracking buying and production.

    When it comers to editorial policies, well, if you don't like the coverage, start your own news company.;-) But as for ads, bitch at iD or Blizzard, or Bungie, ILM, or these days the ever-newly-evil Micro$oft. They choose the ad pages. Until *they* decide to shift their media buys ain't nothin' doin.

    Rustin

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  82. Nickel arcades by perfessor+multigeek · · Score: 1

    Well, that decides it then. I'm moving to Ohio.
    Findlay, you say? Where is that exactly?

    Rustin

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  83. Speaking of stereotypes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No matter how thin the woman is, a sentance like that could send her into extrememly deep depression.

    Yeah, right. Well, maybe someone extremely thin, like anorexic, but nothing you could say about my weight would send me into even a minor depression. I don't care. I don't even know my weight. Last scale I saw was in a doctor's office - he had no complaints. Call me fat in person, I'll wonder what you're smoking. Do it on Slashdot - I'll just figure you aren't good at original insults.

  84. Re: Welcome to Cyberball... by JaxGator75 · · Score: 1
    I could easily have purchased a 4-player tournament edition Cyberball machine if I had put as many quarters into a jar as I did into that machine. There were intense competitions, both 1-on-1 and 2-on-2, that often came down to the wire.


    We had to make rules, tho, to insure the losing team wouldn't use a credit to upgrade to a Titanium Runningback or Receiver in between "periods" (there were 6 quarters in Cyberball)

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