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Kavau continues: "The law does not directly prohibit the fabrication of private copies, but it offers the copyright holder the right to do just that. And we probably can expect the majority of copyright holders to make use of this right. The law simply takes away what US citizens would call the consumer's right to fair use. An exception is made for schools and research institutes, which may provide excerpts of copyrighted media to a group students or researchers.
One of the most important maxims of European law is "in dubio pro reo" (if in doubt, rule in favor of the defendant). While this principle applies to the judicature, and we are talking about the legislature here, the new law nevertheless seems to have perverted this principle: it treats every computer owner as a potential copyright pirate. Thank you, government, for the trust you are showing in your citizens! What's next? Special taxes on pen and paper? Note also that we are likely going to see similar laws in other European countries soon. The law follows guidelines imposed by the European Union in 2001."
Cool another case of the wrold gone mad. So once again I can't copy something I bought for my own private use. What about making a backup of a CD? So basically this is covering everything that can make copies of sounds and then play them back. Prehaps its time we outlawed parrots :)
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All the Americans here told the rest of the world to watch out, other DMCA-like bills would try to be passed in other countries. Germany it still isn't too late. Protest in the streets, call representatives, anything. Don't let it pass or you're going to end up in a similar mess as us.
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The upper house (Bundesrat) in Germany is only 'allowed' to intervene under certain circumstances. Since only the FDP - who have around 7% of the vote - are against this, consider the Bundesrat to be a formality.
What this law represents is making a decision already passed at EU level a law valid in Germany, they did not have a lot of room to maneuvre.
Mielipiteet omiani - Opinions personal, facts suspect.
Who cares? They're both red and white and start with "the".
that the DeCSS code would be illegal in germany? damn now dose that just sux. DVD Johnson you roX!
Maybe I should clarify, for Timothy's sake: the links goes to http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8879, but you say it goes to the Register. Might want to fix that real quick.
Music is not illegal.
The RIAA is burning in their tanks, and commiting suicide.
The P.O.W.s were not rescued today, more Hollywood lies.
Our victory will be apparent soon.
You are safe now. Trust me.
-yours truely Mohamm3d Al-Sahaf
Soon a photographic memory and voicebox will be eligible to make the list. That's awfully restrictive - can someone clarify this? And what kind of taxes are we talking? 10% of cost? 20%? Just curious.
... but it starts to smell likes you have to go to beyond the ex iron curtain to get some liberty on your privat stuff (like back up every single of your soft *which* I do after loosing 2 cd to accident) or loosing public domain or everything. We really seems to go into the Corporantism at outrance where we human cease to have rights except obying what the corporation comes up with sicne they hold or nearly hold the hands of the law.
And before you starts speaking of alternative, let me snort a big time and ask you if those alternative are for the big public or only a few hacker resistant.
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Silly me, I thought they had lived in Florida.
I dont know if these are dynamically created URL's, but here is a link to the Babelfish's translation - a bit ropey, but for those who dont read German at all, its a start :)
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"Hey! Unless this is a nude love-in, get the hell off my property!!"
How are people supposed to circumvent copyright laws using cell phones? :)
Wait.. you probably shouldn't tell me, it might be illegal.
But what does a German Law have anything to do whatsover with MY Rights Online?
You people do realize not everybody in this world has the same rights, right?
But what does a US Law have anything to do whatsover with MY Rights Online?
You do realize not everybody in this world is boud to US rights, right?
Das tut mir leid... Looks like our American diseases are contagious.
Let's get drunk and delete production data!
Jerry Brown might have wanted California Uber Ales, but it looks like Hollywood over all.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Is there a country I can move that has one bit of intelligence? Boy politicians are getting more dumb everyday.
A closer relationship than that. The Inquirer was founded (about two years ago, I think) by Mike Magee, who previously founded and edited The Register, which continues in his absence.
Yes, the corret link is at The Inquirer.
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A quick Babel Fish of the article (not a bad translation either), however, shows that the law is not wholly welcomed.
Link to Babel Fish translation:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltru
The article is quite long, best not to post it in whole.
There were some spaces in the link above, remove these.
Jeden Tag verlieren wir immer mehr unserer Rechte, die Profite der großen Firmen zu schützen.
Michael.
Linux : Mac
IMHO, the real battle is going on in the US. If we win here, than the other countries will fall like dominos - and ease copy restrictions across the board, if we loose here then there is no way in hell any other country is going to have the strength to hold out.
Therefore, if you are from outside the USA - I recommend paying attention to what goes on here 1st. Copyrights are very quickly becoming unenforceable without draconian measures, with trillions at stake, for each side, I wouldn't be supprised if all hell's about to break loose.
Strict copyright laws, drug laws, and harsh gun control laws are the pinnacle of an orderly society. A police state with countless laws and excessive punishments for victimless "crimes" while light punishments for crimes against people or their property (excluding the property of the elites which deserves higher amounts of protection) is a sure way to stop terrorism and other highly politically incorrect acts such as privately owning guns. The USA and Germany are both socialist countries where law and order are above all else. If the constitution has to be "reinterpreted" then so be it. Socialism is the best way and it's here to stay.
This new law has a good paragraph:
It allows scientific articals ect to be distributed in intranets without need for royality fees if it is for tutoring purposes.
Of couese the puplishers are fuming, but they are even worse than the music industry.
(in germany,for example), a great part of the research at university is funded by the gouvernment. The results are given to puplishers for free. Now the puplishers make a little bit of peer-review (of course everyone his happy if he is allowed to review an article, so it doest cost the company) and sells the result back to the government (for a lot of money).
So far so good (or bad).
Now welcome to the digital age. The last xxx years everybody went to the university library and xeroxed tons of stuff. Now they want to release the stuff digitally do a littly pay per view. Great.
HI O WISE PRINCE. WHT TOOK U SO DAM LONG?
Tax PRINTERS? I really like the idea of printing my pirated albums off in binary onto paper.
Only when I see a home printer capable of printing money, including security measures, will I see a need to restrict printers.
With a pencil, I have been able to render some pretty good copies of art work in the past. With a typewriter, I can neatly copy an tire book... or more depending on how much time I can devote to it. For that matter, I can use the same pencil I used to duplicate the copyrighted artwork found on "whatever" commercial product out there.
Okay, yeah, I'm preaching to the choir. I don't believe these IP owners are losing money... and I don't believe they will increase their flow by screwing people via the government using taxes.
And where that is concerned, I can't understand how it can be both ways!!
Either (A) criminalize the act of copying or (B) legalize and tax the act of copying. You can't do both! (Okay, they can do both, but it's kind wrong though.)
I can't understand how we can be taxed for "potentential criminal activity."
do'nt think that this is the opinion of the people, is the same think like all aroud the world: lobbism
(and in this case, most of them did'nt take notice because of the Iraq war.)
geating from germany
20 Euro tax on an inkjet printer.
Now both the tax and the ink will cost more than the printer!
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
Under ancient (and not-so-ancient) Arabic law, you steal, and you get your hand chopped off.
Under new American/EU policy, you get your hand chopped off so that you can't steal.
And *who* has the brutal regime here?
WTF is up with those Germans? First Adolf Hitler, now THIS??
Must be something in the Wurstsalat eh?
Oh, good.
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This is not funny.
Sebastian
So you won't have problems with laws like that. After all, we don't need any of those gadgets.
Here in the NL we already have something on that, being charges 0,14 extra per CD-RW last time I bought a batch. Feels lovely to get fined for a crime I did not commit. Yet. Hell, I already paid my fine, so now I can copy copyrighted crap without worries, based on the fact you can get charged for the same offense twice. Too bad that won't work in court when I'm facing a small army of lawyers...
Also, if there are any other dutch people around here, (hard to imagine there aren't) does any of you have any information on "Stichting Thuiscopy", in whose name the charges are fined? If so, please relay that information to me because I want my 25 * 0,14 back from those thieving bastards!
Hate me!
"With a typewriter, I can neatly copy an tire book... or more depending on how much time I can devote to it. For that matter, I can use the same pencil I used to duplicate the copyrighted artwork found on "whatever" commercial product out there."
Let's make a list of everything they could demand compensation for;
- Xerox machines
- VCRs
- Tape Recorders
- Cameras, still and video
- CD and DVD Players with an analog out.
- Sharpie Markers (for defeating copy restriction...)
- The internet
- Microphones
- Computers with audio in
- Pocket PCs with record capability
etc
We have fought the feeble attemps of the godless evil dog aggressors who tried to storm our gates and won. Victory is ours. Praise Hillary.
Germany is just trying to make uncle sam be its friend again, after that whole anti-iraq-war thingy. They figure the easist way to butter up our gov't is to pass restrictive copyright laws that hurt its citizenry. I see a great friendship blooming...
Stupid people make stupid things profitable.
Every thing is back to normal with the american and german relationship.
The US had it's DMCA in 1998. The Germans follow in 2003.
NoSuchGuy
Grundgesetz * 23. Mai 1949 - 30. November 2007 - http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de/
With a typewriter, I can neatly copy an tire book
Watch out Michelin, Bridgestone, Firestone, Pirelli, etc! He's after your tire books!
Most of the people who brought the Third Reich are already long deceased, so in one way or the other, this problem has been solved. On the other hand, most of the people who currently are bringing neo-colonialism and war to the world are currently IN CHARGE in your country.
BTW: This law has actually been brought to Germany from your country.
Sebastian
You fucking idiot. Germany is more free than most of the world today.
Read a fucking history book or better yet, go visit Berlin.
Asshole.
"Not my manner of thinking but the manner of thinking of others has been the source of my unhappiness." - M
Hrmm...muts be because of the possible infringment on the copyrighted touch tones.
Oh come on now. Nobody would tax a pencil. They aren't "digital" and "scary" like computers are. Have you SEEN those computer things? Sometimes they go "beep" FOR NO APPARENT REASON! COMPUTERS MUST BE STOPPED! MACHINES BAD, PEOPLE GOOD!
Do not fight the symptoms (these bad laws). Cure the disease. Corporations are more and more taking control of the legislatures all over the world. In some places, they are taking over the judicial system as well.
You can also watch as corporation-like entities such as Church of Scientology take over all three branches of government (in the United States). They have police, judges, and legislators in their pockets.
fifth sigma, inc.
Actually, we all do have the same rights. People have a basic right for free speech, free religion, free press, property rights, right to assemble, right to bear arms, and a right to copy things, among others no matter who they are or where they live. While some governments acknowledge these rights, others do not - but they exist no matter what type of government you have, or no matter what type of laws you are under.
In countries that tend to acknowledge these rights, people tend to be more secure, successfull, and happy - in countries that don't, just the opposite. Societies that promote these rights tend to uplift the world, societies that don't tend to bring it down. That's the way it is.
More like from the Fourth Reich the US Government is trying to impose on the rest of the world.
Germans can now say "Danke" to corporate America for this.
Did I miss an innovation? How can cell phones be used to circumvention copyrights?
A programmer is a machine for converting coffee into code.
I don't understand how printers and cellphones fall into this category? How can they circumvent copyright? A printer prints...it may commit copyright infringment, but how could it circumvent any!? Same with a cellphone, how!?
The German parliament which has just adopted DMCA-style provisions to outlaw the circumvention of technical protection measures that control and curtail the fair use of intellectual property (and only needs the other House's assent for part of the new legislation) makes Germany the third country, following Denmark and Greece, to implement the highly controversial "monstrosity" known as the European Union Copyright Directive 2001/29/EC.
This move, allegedly a "propaganda victory" dubbed "lex Bertelsmann" (after the giant media conglomerate expected to line their corporate pockets under the new laws) in furious disapproval by tech-savvy parts of the news media, makes Germany one of the early adopters setting an unfortunate precedent for further European countries like the UK and France whose citizens, and notably developers like Linux kernel guru Alan Cox, will probably not be spared from similar legislation for much longer either.
Although open-source researchers, cyber-rights activists and even the ruling Social Democrats' very own IT experts as well as hardware manufacturers underlined the severe dangers and inconsistencies of this new and doubtful philosophy extending copyright law to reduce many of the general public's rights to insignificance, in a debate focusing only on academic exemptions from the publishers' power grab, the opposition even tried to tighten the government's bill, ignoring widespread experiences of Chilling Effects such as censorship and assaults on the Freedom to Tinker during the past four years under the EUCD's U.S. counterpart of draconian "bad law and bad policy", the flawed Digital Millennium Copyright Act, another overreaching implementation of the
punished.
The draft text of the law states that circumvention for private use is not allowed, but cannot be punished. It also states that you have the right to make a private copy. It doesn't say you have the right to a private copy.
Private use means that you can give a copy to people you have immediate private contact, i.e. friends and family.
***Quis custodiet ipsos custodes***
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The very last part de_en can be substituted with your language but I don't have a list handy.
Sometimes the translations are very funny.
I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
These happen to be the rights that come from the US constitution if I'm not mistaken. I don't mean to flame the US or anything, but these 'rights' were all invented by people. There is no such thing as an inalienable right. Your government has to grant you this right, and if you're lucky you live in a place where the people elect this government so you can have _some_ influence on the rights you get. Whoever thinks they somehow have a _right_ to live, is wrong. It's just that under most present day governments people are denied the right to kill you by a mechanism called law and there's a sanction to keep them from violating this law. There's a difference there.
Legislature is all man-made, and thus imperfect. Personally, being an atheist, I'm happy to be here and make the best of things while I'm here.. and I try to play nice with my neighbors. But I'm not under the illusion that I have any absolute rights. There is only law that keeps people from doing things that are counterproductive to the big picture or threaten the government that imposes these laws.
So in short you don't have a right to live, you have a right to not be killed deliberately by another person.
Learn from the mistakes of others. There isn't enough time to make them all yourself.
"fair use" uber alles.
in Germany, you are still alowed to make private copies for you and your fiends. the only thig that is now disalowed is to beake "effective protections" . A antagonism in itself -> i love politicans ;-)
Canada has done no such thing, you idiot. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, but you're mighty confused.
--sdem
Then I think about how, here in the USA(TM), it is illegal to drink under the age of 21, illegal to have sex under the age of 17 (most states) and illegal to smoke pot. Yet these events happen every day, all the time, easily and freely. At least for us geeks that manage to get out of the house a few days a week! :)
So I ask myself, "Self! What is harder to stop the distribution of: a physical, smelly, heavy shippment of pot, or an mp3?" And then I realize that NOTHING can stop me from enjoying my music where and when I want. If the USA(TM) government can't stop the Crack and the Pot, how can they stop mp3's, an invisible, intangible, almost instantly transferable commodity?
They can't.
It's only a matter of time before a Strausburg E-PM (European Parliament Member) passes something similar. The RIAA includes German music companies as well thus they're only seeking to protect themselves on their home turf before moving on to other areas. I'd be surprised if lesiglation is not already pending or passed in the Japanese Diet or Indian Parliament as well as all the major European countries.
That reminds me: Maybe the Iraqi foreign minister will take up his next job as the RIAA spokes person? "There are no reasons to allow people to back up their own CDS! None! Our profits no longer exist now that the Americans...er, pirates have illegally burned music onto CDs regardless of whether they own the songs or not! The RIAA will triumph and see all the pirates locked up!"
As long as there is a Second Amendment, there will always be a First Amendment.
Does it fit it over your retard suit?
It's sad to note that the FDP (our "liberal" patry) didn't vote for this bill, because it was not far reaching enough. According to them it limits the rights of copyright owners over their product too much.
True, it has nothing to do with _your_ rights in the immediate sense. However, governing bodies tend observe each other in the course of formulating and prescribing the law (at least in more democratic governments).
While this doesn't matter to you on a local level right now, there is no guarantee that it won't start a trend of similar regulation that eventually rears its ugly head close to home. Bad ideas can catch on like that, as terrible as it may seem.
i enjoyed it. +5 for having a sense of humor. -5 for not incorporating a goatse link
Apparently, the longest you can be in prison for a crime in Germany is 15 years, regardless if you killed one person or 3000. Even George W Bush wouldn't do more than 15 years.
Yes, European law functions differently than American law does with respect to sentencing it seems. I had a discussion with a German law student once about this very thing. She said life sentences were very rare. 15 or 20 years even for vicious murder seemed to be the standard. Furthermore, the death penalty is banned (mandatory for EU members). I think this just stands in stark contrast to the spirit of American law making that is often influenced by the "be tough on crime" mentality.
Welcome to "Missing The Point 101."
So far you are doing very well!
like Nokia 7650 or SoneEricson E800 haveing ARM 100+ mhz prozessors can run C++ programms. or are they not availeble for your C-net Phones ;-)
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buy three large hdd's, do raid5 and copy your stuff onto them. hdd's are still exempt from taxes and can carry much more media than blank dvd's. hdd's will be exempt forever, since the it-industrie would heavily bombard laws that would change that.
use non-taxed HDDs to save your stuff.
From what I read about the new law, this is only the first step. It implements regulations agreed upon by the European Union and the WIPO. That means, other european countries will soon implement similar laws. Additionally in Germany there will be a follow up they call "second basket" which will restrict the rights of consumers even more. Of course the lobbying efforts of the music and film industry will go in a second round, too. From what I can tell our brainwashed politicians believe every word of the constant whining of the music industry speakers which means, those restrictions will probably go through as well. Both major parties are in favour of it and only the rather small liberal party (FDP) is against it as they were with the first. I don't think they'll make a difference though, which is really sad.
Your points are valid and I agree with them, but morals don't substitute rights. Humans indeed have a natural aversion against killing eachother. This only means they are less likely to do it than if they didn't have this set of morals, or collective survival instinct.
My point was about inalienable rights, which in my view you don't have since they come from governments. Governments are transient, even though we may not believe it when it concerns our own present day government. This also means that the rights they grant their citizens are transient. Currently I'd agree that democracy is the best system of government available and the rights associated with it make very good sense in the context of a democracy. But who knows, maybe in two or three centuries some clever person shouts out with a radically new idea that revolutionises goverment as we know it (a bit like communism, but this time something that actually does work). It's very likely that basic rights from current democratic constitutions need to change at least somewhat in such a case. Communism (just hypothetically assuming it would work) needs a different set of ground rules from a democracy.. and so will probably any future 'revolution'.
Learn from the mistakes of others. There isn't enough time to make them all yourself.
Each time a story like this concerning the U.S. comes up on Slashdot, Euros (and Canadians) come around and offer up the standard-issue slop about how repressive, greedy and evil the "American Empire" is. I wonder if they plan to throw in their 2 cents (actually, 1.1 cent, adjusted for exchange rates) on this story.
For those of you willingly oblivious to your own faults and contradictions, let me help you out by reposting the standard excuses. "It's a different culture and this is appropriate for them." "Big deal! __country__'s concept of freedom isn't the same as yours." "Big deal! __country__'s only doing this to make sure they can still feed their poor and take care of their sick." "If you weren't a fat, lazy American who doesn't read, perhaps you'd understand why __country__ is doing this."
Etc., etc... yawn.
Good laws are evident to all people and they respect such laws because they know it's for the greater good. For example, traffic laws are so obviously for the good of the drivers that I've yet to hear one person complain about them.
On the other hand, what kind of law is one that is feared? If the only enforcement mechanism for such law is fear, then how well respected is it going to be? If most people believe MP3 and digital material should be legally shareable, then how would a law based on fear of retribution and not based on mutual understanding of what's good, be a workable law?
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltru
We use the same logic to attack our enemies before they are a threat, so, why not?
Together, we will drive the rats from the tundra.
- A brain
I can remember lots of books, songs and films I've only payed at most once to read, listen, or see, without paying any further royalties to the IP owners. If that doesn't make me an IP pirate, what else should?Programming can be fun again. Film at 11.
At least this way, they got you to notice. Especially for an issue like this that most people wouldn't even notice, it's esential that they do something that gets in people's way. Something that can't easily ignored.
As a historian once told me - history is a story of visionaries and reactionaries. The visionaries create the new future, and the reactionaries try to block those changes and keep the status quo. Here one might say, the USA is the visionary and old-Europe is the reactionary. The US is constantly changing, and growing, where Europe is trying to maintain the world super power status they once had. Another example, visionary currency traders figured out how to call a nations "bluff" (eg when when HK artifically peged their currency to the dollar) reactioaries grouped their currences together into a single large one (the Euro, but notice how the two strongest Euopean economies passed). When visionary leadership in the US went to route out a ruthless dictator who terrorists could possibly get deadly weapons from, reactionaries desperately tried to block it every step of the way. Visionary programmers figured out how to share music on the internet, reactionary media industries sought to counter it. Visionary companies figured out how to make money from free software, reactionaries are trying to impose the DMCA. Visionary students in the the US now consider it the norm to freely share music, reactionaries are suing for billions.
Sadly, I would say Euope multi-lateralism is more about being reactionary than not.
After all, we all know how much Socialists just looooove corporations and their copyrights.
/me rolls eyes
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
Your point that human rights are "man-made" and therefore arbitrary is also spectacularly irrelevant, in addition to being just plain wrong. Who else could establish human rights if not humans?
I'm sure you believe you stumbled onto something deep and profound, but all you are doing is showing that you don't really understand what the concept of human rights means.
I think it is unfair to: impose(s) special taxes on virtually any device that can potentially be used for copyright circumvention (among these devices are printers, CD burners, scanners and cell phones). What the hell kind of rationalization is this? Punish the masses for the acts of a few just on the sheer whim that it is *possible* these things can be used to avert putting money into already deep and greedy pockets. And where praytell do these additional taxes end up? This reeks like an excuse to gouge the citizens of a bought and paid for RIAA/MPA Government.
Pass the silly law, as stated before in a previous comment people will do what they want to do(And not just Americans)...but why stick it to everybody and jack up prices even more which is the almost UNIVERSAL reason why things are pirated. Fucking dolts.
-1 Overrated (Too many big words for me to comprehend)
This shouldn't be a suprise to anyone. This is just the next step required of each signatory to the 1996 World Intellectual Property Organization Treaty. First the DMCA, in the US, then legislation in Mexico and now Germany. It's important also to note that the DMCA is only the first step with regard to amended copyright legislation in the U.S. It only partially brings the United States into complience with the 1996 treaty. The german legislation comes closer to bringing that country into compliance, than the U.S. legislation. Expect far more stringent laws to be passed in the U.S., updating the DMCA, and also additional legislation in Germany (after passage of the bill currently before their legislature) to bring that country completely into compliance with the treaty as well.
--CTH
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Dass ist voll upgefuckt!!
...we still can't wait to see X-Men XVII, The Matrix Reloaded Again and Again, Armageddon III, Terminator XV, et. al.
We still put money in their pockets, the same money they use to buy these legislators.
What is wrong with us?
Bertelsmann, one of the biggest publishers in the world, and owner of BMG (Bertelsmann Music Group) is a German corporation, and stands to benefit greatly from these "proactive taxes" (ie, corporate tithes). Don't neglect to give credit where credit is due.
Hard disks taxed too?
Ok, this post most probably won't be rated as 'informative' but too bad. I've got some karma to waste to tell how I'm feeling right now.
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This is the lowest point since last June, when Palladium was announced. At that time I thought, if Americans want to sell their freedom to Valenti&Rosen, that's their problem, and this piece of suicidal legislation will never pass in Europe because Europe is just soooo cultivated - or so I thought.
Today, Europe's most cultivated country adopts the DMCA. The other european countries are likely to follow. Even the UK - who has always been good at preserving its freedom - will fall, because he won't dare to offend the US. France will fall in the end : although she likes very much to disagree with the US, and although she values citizenship higher than any economic consideration, she can't do much without Germany.
So, DMCA, Palladium, Longhorn, all that will be in Europe just as soon as in the USA. Palladium hardware is already being manufactured - think about the Opteron. The Palladium OS, Longhorn, will be released in 2005 or 2006. Somewhat later, when critical mass will be reached, the 'secure network' will be activated, thus cutting us from the mainstream network.
The question is no longer how to avoid it. The only thing that could have prevented it from happening was lack of international cooperation. Even the USA were not mighty enough to kill alone the internet. International cooperation was needed. There it is.
The question is how long it will take before people react. The main factors that are going to maintain them asleep are
1) vast availability of media contents on the palladium network
2) patriotism, excited by fear (of terrorism, of piracy...)
3) ignorance : not everybody understands why palladium is so bad.
Reason 1) is definitely the most dreadful. Because 2) and 3) can only be temporary, or so I think. But think of the 'brave new world' book by Huxley and you'll understand how I feel about 1).
War doesn't prove who's right, just who's left.
I'm quite happy with my Panasonic KXP-1091 dot matrix.
You wouldn't believe it, but people actually throw ink ribbons for it away! I got a whole case of the things for free.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
Told you so.
Maybe next time you'll listen when we warn you about such things.
Use 'slashdot stuff' in the subject line in any email you send me if you want to get past the spam filter.
The system is great - automatic cashflow. Every inkjet printer is charged 20.- Euro's, multipurpose 38.- Euro's on top out of the consumer's pocket, well that's planned.
It's not a question of balancing interests or any adequacy of measures. Pure greed!
http://sf.indymedia.org/archives/archive_by_id.php ?id=1225&category_id=12
the benifits of a proportional legislative branch?
it seems that it is just a suseptale to becoming corupted by big media and ignoribng the will of their constituents.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
A few points:
But more important for the point at hand--European law being different from US American law--is that the whole judicial process (such as court structure) and the way the law is constructed is completely and utterly different in continental Europe. For example, Germany has entire court hierarchies for tax cases, work-related cases, social cases, and IP cases that are separate from the main hierarchy for civil and criminal trials. There are no juries in criminal cases--instead, part of the judges are laymen and -women, who have the same rights in the trial as regular judges, such as questioning a witness. A criminal trial is not adversarial as in the US (there is a prosecutor and a defense attorney, but their roles are subtly different: for instance, witnesses are primarily questioned by the presiding judge, and both prosecution and defense then have the right to ask questions as well). The prosecution can appeal a case even in a criminal trial--against the defendant, but also for him. Attorney fees are regulated and have to paid by the losing side (unless there's a settlement, of course). In Germany, a lawyer is not allowed to take a case on a contingency basis. The concept of punitive damages does not exist. And so on.
If you can vote in Germany, contact your local offical and let them know that the Americans will love this bill because it makes Germany less efficient which will give the US goods a slight edge. The problem with geeks talking to goverment officals is they make points that are completely lost. Don't make the points too complex or you will get ignored.
Your like does not work, AC, try this.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
For murder the maximum is life sentence but you can get out after 15 years under certain circumstances
The two main goals of German law are a) to dissuade others from doing the same and b) penance and remorse with the intent of reintegrating the culprit into society. In cases where that seems unlikely (the reintegration part - i.e. another crime seems probable, child molesters and other sex offenders in most cases) it is possible to keep ppl imprisoned to protect the general public
Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage
I guess that means it's permanent...
Huh? Germany implements an EU-directive based on a US law and you think that this is due to the "people who brought you the Third Reich"? Are you alleging that the US was behind Nazi Germany or something?
Can anyone from germany teach you how to do it. After all, you guys must do something to get your tax worth.
The jews run ALL the media on the planet, music, televitz (aka Zionvision, aka TV), newspapers, books, magazines, movies, EVERYTHING.
If they don't get those sheckles they get pissed and pass these sort of laws.
They also control all the non Muslim governments on earth, (except Afghanistan and Iraq) and they also print and control the money supply, IE the World Bank and the Federal Reserve..
Really now, does this suprise you??
Amerika destroyed Germany for the jew and handed the remains of Germany over to the jew. The jews are now milking Germany dry as they are milking the US dry.
Turn on the TV and read the names of all the people in power. Read the credits of movies. You can not deny it unless you are ignorant.
oh man,
thouse people, who makes the laws, don't realy know how it is. They don't realy know what would be adjuvant and what would handicap the software evolution. I think thouse laws will only handicap the evolution and confine the usage of the software.
Greetings - Mirko
PS: I buy good cd's even when i've got them first as mp3's. But I fail to see, why i should buy thouse "less talent - only profit" music that is "ok" to listen like thouse chart stuff. soon or later i delete the track from my harddisk. besides the "artist" earns more money when you visit a concert. when you are buying the cd, most of the money earn the record company and they are not very affraid about that mp3 "pirates" but it is only the feedback, when the people dont want to pay for bad music just want to listen for a moment.
Well, I'm not really sure about it, but if I read that law right, the copyright holders might be forced to give DeCSS to _you_.
Now this is obviously all in German, but have a look at the text, 95b. What it basically says (if I read the lawyerspeak correctly) is this:
If a copyright holder uses technical protection measures to protect their work, they must provide certain people the means to circumvent this technical measure. This is the case in what you might call "fair use" situations such as:
- translation into another form for physically challenged people
- copying for educational purposes (i.e. teachers handing out copies to their class)
- copying for personal use
In other words, I buy a "copy-protected" audio CD and the copyright holder has to provide me the means for ripping the tracks off the CD to add them to my Ogg collection. Sounds... interesting. I wonder what will happen when somebody goes to court over this.
Let's see wheter there's a little sanity left in the German House of Lords. If not, this might be an ugly precedent for the implementation of the EU directive in the rest of Europe.
As it is pointed out in the article (and whenever i ask a national politican why they try to pass such laws) "they had no much choice because the EU directive 2001/29/CE needs to be passed in national law". But if confronted an EU politician with the same question they refer to regulations/treaties done by the WIFO.
This whole attitude "it's not my choice - i have to do it because a higher instance made this regulation" is irresponsible. Why do we pay politicians with our taxes if they don't have the guts to stand up and say something is wrong with this law?
For my part i already started to make a list of politicians/parties i will (not) give my vote in the next election.
"and imposes special taxes on virtually any device that can potentially be used for copyright circumvention"
:) Cheap online content is the way ahead.
Well surely if the people are being taxed for copyright circumvention, then they are basically saying that people have the right to break copyrights since they have been taxed for it. Or as I suspect its more a case of having the cake and eating it. i.e. the media companies have lobbied that this is the right thing to do, so now they have a guaranteed revenue stream (the tax) as well as the over charged prices for CDs and Games.
The companies need to learn how to sell their produce to the digital age savvy customer, and this is not the right way to go
It would be interesting to see if anyone could make a test case out of that concept "you taxed me for copyright circumvention (which I had no intention of doing anyway), so since you have taxed me for it, I will go ahead and circumvent. You are sueing me? No no, I've paid my tax." etc.,
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Another anonymous coward
The protection of DRMS - the controversial part of the DMCA - has never been an US-only law. It is also part of the WIPO Copyright Treaty (WCT) currently signed by 51 countries, including the European Communities and all of its member states.
While the WCT could theoretically be ignored by its signatories as there's no legal system to enforce its implementation, this is different for the European Communities member states: The EC has implemented the WCT as a EC Directive (Directive 2001/29/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 22 May 2001 on the harmonisation of certain aspects of copyright and related rights in the information society), which is binding to all EC member countries. It had to be implemented until 22 Dec 2002 (yes, last year).
So, one should note that:
To really change something, you have to address the WCT (and the EUCD).
Claus
Yes, this means that Human Rights could theoretically be enforced in Russia much better than in the USA.
Claus
Chew on this one for a while. And everybody who doesn't understand is an idiot.
There is a saying we have here in Germany: give a child your little finger and it will grab the whole hand.
Cheers, Sven
The software DRM will soon be followed by a hardware implementation. With both the hardware and software DRM in place, non-military control of the Germans is possible if needed. If worse comes to worse, the White House can order Microsoft to use WPA to pull the plug on German computers. That will not be needed often because it will be possible to monitor general activities, and even the contents of specific documents, to effect smoother diplomatic solutions. In a tight spot, the desktop set's microphone activated to pick up conversations.
Audits by the Business Software Alliance can be used as a milder intermediate measure than pulling the plug and as a supliment to monitoring.
Americans are sheep. We have to be told what to do and what to buy. We have bought into this status and money game, we are consumers. Why was there a Hummer driving next to me on the commute to work today? Why is there an insane amount of suburban sprawl? Why is the answer to so many questions "you should sue them"?
To your specific point, The Matrix was a great movie. The Terminator (and T2) were good movies. X-Men was done pretty well, for a story that has been around for as long as it has been. Armageddon probably sucked, but I never saw it. It was too predictable, and just a typical hollywood movie.
In one respect, I hate the entertainment industry because it is so un-authentic. On the other hand, I enjoy good entertainment. There are the occasional glimmers of hope, but those are quickly exploited TO THE EXTREME! I just rented My Big Fat Greek Wedding this weekend. Good movie, worth seeing. Was it worth creating a sitcom of it? No. Lethal Weapon was a good movie, but they ruined the hell out of it. The original Star Wars trilogy was great, but it has been ruined as well. The list goes on and on and on.
The same holds true for the music industry. So many bands have great breakthrough albums, but quickly start to make music that will "sell". It is the difference between true art and faux-art. We go see movie sequels, and buy follow-up albums, because we are promised that they are as good if not better than the originals. It rarely happens. We are also taught to get something NOW NOW NOW. Don't wait, get it now!
I think the real problem is that the American public is so stupid that they don't think for themselves anymore. They are told so many times that "Star Wars Episode II" is great that they start to believe it. I can't wait to see the next Matrix movie because I loved the first one. I have seen the trailers, I have read the articles on the technology used. Now I am going to sit back, and wait until it comes out. I'll even wait a week or two to go see it, just to try to avoid some of the hype. And if it sucks, I'll admit it sucks.
I want what everyone else wants - good entertainment. I think the American public needs to get some taste.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
... i don't know... like... dumb.
do you try to be funny?
WATCH OUT 4 the bOOgey mans under the bed and the skellets in CLOSEt
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AFAIK the big problem is, that the germans MUST make such laws because the European Union.
There were some basic EU rules they had to implement, and some from the WIPO.
But nevertheless the new law cound be better
In Germany it's called "Lex Bertelsmann": Bertelsman owns hundrets of radio stations, magazines, book publishers, music labels (like BMG), TV stations and so on. Compare it to Fox
Yutsok
It seems we live in a world of pre-emptive strikes. We're talking about governments who attack other countries because they someday might decide to become dangerous to their interests, it is perfectly understandable that people get taxed for potential criminal activity. I guess we should be all grateful that we don't go to prison in advance for crimes we might someday commit.