Andorion writes "How many comics will make it to the big screen, how many will be as good as Spiderman or X-Men, and how many will be as bad as Daredevil? Who knows, but the new trailer for The Hulk was just released, and it looks pretty sweet!"
lets hope...
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REBloomfield
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· Score: 3, Insightful
they stick to the story on this. I don't mind chaning bits to make it flow, but most of Dredd made me cringe....
Re:lets hope...
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 2, Insightful
Let's hope they include the sad walking away music.
Re:lets hope...
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Mancide
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· Score: 2, Insightful
I thought DD was a good movie for what they had to work with. DD was never Spidey in the comics, and the movie had to follow the Spidey movie which was huge, and I think a lot of people expected an edgier Spidey movie, when that isn't even what the comic was.
Daredevil wasn't awful, the vision effects were really cool and the sound effects were the first in a movie that I felt they spent as much time on as the movie itself, as the sound played a really important role in certain scenes.
I think most of you all are taking pot shots at DD because of Affleck, but he's really a good actor.
-- "This amp is special, see all the knobs go up to 11, that means it is one louder than other amps"
Yeah... I'm sick of seeing all of these comic book movies get botched up and end up looking like some silly caricatures of a saturday morning cartoon show.
Oh... Wait....
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Re:lets hope...
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D.Throttle
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· Score: 2, Insightful
This is directed by Ang Lee, director of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Ice Storm, Sense and Sesibility, and Eat Drink Man Woman. I believe it is highly probable that this is going to kick major ass.
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Re:lets hope...
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h4x0r-3l337
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· Score: 2, Funny
I didn't know that Bruce grew to a 20 foot hight when he turned into the Hulk.
Not to mention that despite that enormous size, his pants still fit! Only in the US do pants stretch THAT far...
I don't know...
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Shads
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· Score: 3, Interesting
... I was kinda disappointed, why the hulk, there are much better movies they could have made. The hulk is a pretty poor choice although it does invoke some nogstolgia.
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Re:I don't know...
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RaboKrabekian
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· Score: 2, Insightful
I think the nostalgia factor plays a huge part. Not only are you making a Marvel property, which is a hot thing right now, but you can also tap in to everyone who fondly remembers the TV show. (And any younger Family Guy fans who want to see what all the fuss is about).
-- "Moderate drinking can help prevent amputated limbs" -- Abigail Zuger, NYTimes, 12/31/02
I hear you can clear that up with some antibiotics.
Re:I don't know...
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Brendor
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· Score: 4, Informative
I think of all the Marvel Heroes, HULK is a much more fascinating character than most and definitely more than nostalgic. As revealed by a backstory search on goolge, Bruce Banner is a rich character with much backstory and a tortured soul.
Between Ang Lee's direction and what looks to be very dynamic character work, I think this wil be a very satisfying ride.
Some backstory
Everything from his relationship with his father to his girlfriend's father/nemesis has potential for interesting drama and conflict.
From Julk History PageRobert Bruce Banner was born in Dayton, Ohio, the son of Dr. Brian Banner and Rebecca Banner. He was loved by his mother, but hated by his alcoholic father, who was extremely jealous of his relationship with his mother.
A former atomic physicist Brian concluded that Bruce's intelligence was a mutation derived from Brian's exposure to radiation.
Brian Banner finally murdered his wife when she attempted to leave with Bruce. Bruce was raised by Rebecca's sister and later attended Science High School. He diverted his anger into his study of science.
Bruce Banner attended Desert State University in Navapo, New Mexico, where he studied with such contemporaries as Walter Langkowski (a.k.a. Sasquatch) Peter Corbeau and Raoul Stoddard.
Banner was a highly withdrawn intellectual unable to cope with emotions. Obtaining his doctorate in nuclear physics from the California Institute of Technology, Banner went to work at a nuclear research facility at Desert Base, New Mexico.
Before the days before the Gamma Bomb accident that would create the Hulk, Banner's father was released from the mental hospital. This release would lead up to the last confrontation between Bruce Banner and his father at his mother's grave.
Better Choices
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 2, Funny
Go for the popular comics - like Blue Beetle!
New Trailer for The Hulk?
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GMontag
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· Score: 5, Funny
What happened to his old trailer? Was it just a plain aluminum job like the kind old people tow to Florida?
I hope his trailer is made of something really strong, like adamantium(sp?) as in Wolverines bones. Stainless just does not stand up to the nasty temper of the Hulk!
Well, you have two options as I see it:
(1) Stop watching trailers
(2) Suck it up and get over it
The choice is yours...:)
Seems the most "comic booky" ...
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binaryDigit
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· Score: 2, Insightful
Of all the big money superhero movies. I guess this is the first one where the primary character is physically larger than life. The trailer makes it almost look like a photorealstic cartoon vs a "live action" movie with the scenes including the Hulk (and I guess technically those scenes probably are).
I was very surprised by how much of the Hulk they actually showed. I would have expected much more "teasing" up until the very end.
Cheesy Look
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buktotruth
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· Score: 2, Interesting
As much as I love a movie where a big green guy smashes things, I think the CGI could you use ALOT of work. In the trailer he looks obviously computer generated.
I'm waiting for the Matrix where you can't tell the difference b/w real Neo and computer generated Neo.
Re:Cheesy Look
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AssFace
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· Score: 2, Interesting
In the outdoor scene in the trailer - where he is standing at the base of a hill of what looks to be a San Fran scene perhaps - has a bunch of cops in front of him, his back is to us and covered in dust... THAT shot of him looks real.
the rest looks like a giant toddler that is a bit too shiny and plastic looking.
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Damning with a faint praise
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secolactico
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how many will be as good as Spiderman or X-Men
I did like X-Men, but if Hulk's only as good as Spiderman, I guess I won't be going to see it.
That said, I hope the end credit roll to the tune of the "Sad Piano Music" of the Bill Bixby/Lou Ferrigno series (as seen on Family Guy).
Considering the Hulk's anger-management problem, is it really wise to put him up in another trailer? Maybe he should be forced to lie in the bed he has made. That's the only way he'll learn personal responsibility.
Considering the Hulk's anger-management problem, is it really wise to put him up in another trailer?
Maybe in the sequel, the Hulk will be ordered by the courts to have Jack Nicholson move in with him to help control his anger.
At least THAT would be a far more interesting anger management movie than the dreck the Adam Sandler is currently in.
Lies! Death to the infidels!
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Tuxinatorium
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· Score: 2, Funny
This is OUR hulk, not the americans' hulk! It will slaughter them all at the gates of baghdad before any American troops come close to our glorious city!
What's wrong with Quicktime ?
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dnaumov
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· Score: 4, Insightful
Can someone explain me why there is always so much whining about Quicktime ? For Windows and Mac, you have the official Apple Quicktime player, for UNIX, you have MPlayer and Xine, which both play Quicktime videos just fine. What is the problem ? I've been watching Quicktime videos under Windows, Linux and FreeBSD and never had a problem, am I the only one ? "It just sucks" is not a valid explanation / reason.
Re:What's wrong with Quicktime ?
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smoondog
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· Score: 2, Insightful
Agreed. Quicktime works just fine for me and I think that generally, the quality of quicktime can't be beat.
-Sean
Re:What's wrong with Quicktime ?
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Matt+Amato
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· Score: 4, Insightful
The problem is that even though you can play quicktime under linux, doing so is still in the shady area of legality. There are no native libraries to read the sorenson codec. Currently, developers have to resort to tricks using the windows DLLs and bits from wine. As for some other complaints, it's a closed format, and protected by patents. The ability to do something isn't enough to justify it being okay. I want to be able to fully and legally do it.
Matt
Another misuse of CGI
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stratjakt
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· Score: 5, Interesting
Some of those hulk shots look plain phony. CGI models look great and all, but the motion is always too fluid, too phony.
A big muscleman with green greasepaint would move much more convincingly, Lou Ferigno (sp?) made a more convincing Hulk than an animated model. Roll Big Poppa Pump around in some grass clippings and have him hulk around.
Sometimes the most simple and conventional SFX are the most convincing on screen. CGI is great for aliens and monsters and stuff like that, but there are too many subtleties with human movement that we're all subconciously accustomed to.
Plus, the "making of" documentaries are now just filming a couple nerds sitting in front of a 22 inch monitor looking at wire models.
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Re:Another misuse of CGI
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Iamthefallen
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Ah, the new age of CGI. Remember Jurassic Park? Terminator 2?
Back when CGI was used to create things that didn't exist, or create spectacular scenes and special effects that'd be near impossible to make with conventional films. For a while now however, CGI is simply the cheaper alternative. It's easier, faster and cheaper to blow up something in a computer than to actually rig explosives, if it looks real is irrelevant. It is a step back to the corny special effects of previous decades where the audience is asked to not look to closely at the screen. When CGI is used to create scenes that are hard to do in reality it is a Good Thing, when it's used to keep the budget down it usually tends to suck badly.
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Re:Another misuse of CGI
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fermion
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I just think this is an example of very bad and exaggerated CGI. As it stands now, it is little more than a high tech shadow puppet. Some of the things, like the Hulk running as if he were in the gravity well of the moon rather than the earth, and the over the edge effects with the tanks cannot be fixed. OTOH, I do hope the body work is not final. As they say, we have the technology to rebuild him, and the science to do a better job.
-- "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide."
Orphan Black
Of course there wasn't as much CG in T2 as you might think. There were a good number of practical effects, miniatures, robotics, make-up and squibs... and little things like using twin actors (and actresess) whenever the T-1000 had to confront the person it had just morphed into face-to-face. A lot of clever stuff, and the CG work, while impressive and certainly groundbreaking, took more of credit than it deserved.
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Talk about interesting shows to make movies of...
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Yoda2
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· Score: 2, Funny
...was quite good IMHO. OK, so it was a smaller-scale story than X-Men or Spider-Man, and the main character didn't have the firepower of a battalion of Marines. So what? It definitely got me interested in DD as I had no prior experience with that corner of the Marvel-verse. It even raised my opinion of Ben Affleck out of the cellar.
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Re:Daredevil
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gravelpup
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· Score: 3, Interesting
It's because you have no experience with DD that you thought it was good. Read some of the comic books and see for yourself.
That's probably true. But it raises an interesting question:
What makes a "good" comic book movie?
a) the one that can manage the most suspension of disbelief (i.e. makes the story the "realest")?
b) the one that sticks closest to canon?
c) the one that throws continuity out the window, but goes for the best "interpretation" of the "spirit" of the comic?
d) The one that makes the most money because the most people like it?
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Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.
Hope they include classic Hulk theme
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buddhaunderthetree
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· Score: 5, Funny
Doc Bruce Banner, Belted by gamma rays, Turned into the Hulk. Ain't he unglamo-rays! Wreckin' the town With the power of a bull, Ain't no monster clown Who is that lovable? It's ever lovin' Hulk! HULK!! HULK!!"
Maybe Smashmouth could do it.
-- "Technology.....the knack of so arranging the world that we don't have to experience it."
Max Firsch
Next comic hero on the screen...
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jherubin
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· Score: 2, Interesting
I, personally, would like to see Iron Man on the big screen.
Bringing the tech of the armor to the movies should be interesting with the effects that are possible today.
Re:Dude The Hulk can fly!
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stratjakt
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Superman jumps too (tallest buildings in a single bound). Eventually he just started flying.
I was watching old Superfriends shows on Cartoon Network, apparently Bat Man could fly too.
Oh yeah, and Wonder Woman flies now too in the new Justice League cartoons.
Spiderman doesnt fly, but somehow he can swing above the roofline of a city. Just what does he attach his webs too, birds?
The problem with these cartoons is that they arent realistic.
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I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
Actually I thought the hulk was usually better about physics in that he usually wasn't lifting absurd things that would simply crumble.
The leaping would really be a function of how fast the muscles could contract and expand. Since he's obviously muscled to a point beyond extreme he probably could do these things. (Personally I liked in the comics when he was switching between brainless Hulk and Bruce Banner Hulk and came out of one of his rages while half-way through a leap. He paniced, created a huge crater, and came out smiling since he didn't die.)
My favorite part of the trailer has to be him hammer-throwing the tank. The barrell of a tank just MIGHT be strong enough to do that too.
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Re:Physics?!?
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AssFace
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While it is largely a moot point to argue the physics of a made up character in a made up similar world - assuming that he is a really big human and doesn't have special muscles... which again, is a silly presumption in a made up world... he is moving to fast in his leaps.
But yes, for the lifting and smashing parts, I like the physics - yay! But the jumping silliness, the plastic looking skin shaders in most scenes, and the movement physics are what annoy me.
Again - I really think I need to just work on suspending disbelief - or they need to have a character that makes it easier to suspend it for.
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Re:Physics?!?
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John+Carmack
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To leap 50' in the air, you must be going 56.6 ft/s when leaving the ground, disregarding air resistance. Apogee will be in 1.77 seconds.
Assuming a linear acceleration, and a four foot period of acceleration from crouching to leaving the ground with legs extended, the average speed must be 28.3 ft/s over the four feet, for 0.14 seconds of acceleration, or 404 ft/s^2. 12.6 G's of acceleration isn't at all unreasonable for arm / leg contraction at light loads. You can make a >50G acceleration with a pitching motion of your arm.
12.6 G's of acceleration for an 800 pound hulk is only 10080 pounds, divided by two 24" long by 8" wide feet give a mere 26.25 psi force on the pavement.
If I botched these calculations, everyone is surely going to take the opportunity to say how the Armadillo vehicles will crash and burn...:-)
John Carmack
Re:Don't make me angry...
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Dr.Enormous
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· Score: 5, Funny
You wouldn't like me when I'm Ang Lee...
Re:Don't make me angry...
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Farley+Mullet
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· Score: 3, Funny
Hulk SMASH!
Ang Lee's directing, so more like: Hulk BORED!
Read the book!
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Kredal
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· Score: 4, Informative
The
book version is being written by Peter David, who has written TONS of stuff about the Hulk, including comics, other books, and even the Hulk's wedding. I'm looking forward to it... and I can imagine the Hulk as a big hulking green giant, and not the cute cuddly cartoon version of the movie... and it'll probably be closer to the comic, too.
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Re:Dude The Hulk can fly!
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pi+radians
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The problem with these cartoons is that they arent realistic.
How true.
Every one I know from planet Krypton can't fly (but man they sure can jump high) and those two guys that I work with who were bitten by those radioactive spiders still only take the bus to get through the city.
Join me brothers in our fight to maintain realism and accuracy in our comic books!
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Size Changes, etc.
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agentkhaki
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· Score: 2, Interesting
First of all, I must admit that the CGI does look a little on the phoney side. That being said...
The size of the Hulk doesn't really matter. Just like in the comic books, where the size of the character, the proportions of his muscles, the angluarity of his overall form varies from one artist/comic to the next. If the Hulk varies in size through-out the movie, good for him. If he seems a little large, well, deal with it. It's a movie based on a comic book - double-suspension of disbelief.
Second, what's with black in CGI never looking 'right?' At least, that's what my brain is telling me whenever I see CGi that looks like... well... CGI - ie that the black of shadows and whatnot doesn't seem as dark as it actually is in nature.
Third, I was liking everything about the trailer until I saw that hell-hound looking thing standing on the tree-branch, and then a few frames later, the Hulk swatting it into oblivion. Is that supposed to be a real dog? Or some sort of hell-spawn dog that's going to destroy everything about the movie?
Four, I have to agree about the speed of his movement. The Hulk relies on brute strength to get things done - not brains, and certainly not speed. The bits where he leaps from place to place - yes. The shot of him windmilling his legs like the Flash gone gamma - no. Sorry, but no. Wrong.
Uhm. That's actually about all. I wish someone would do a *good* movie about Deadpool - more trash-talking, wise-crakin' than the comic book (not the movie) Spiderman, without the reliance on a mutant spider to get things moving.
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Re:More from the TV show?
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SealBeater
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In the comics he's Bruce, in the TV show he's David. Not sure why.
Stan Lee liked names with both initials the same, Richard Reed, Bruce Banner, Peter Parker, etc. It helped him remember what the names were. The producers of the TV show changed it to David, because at the time, they felt "Bruce" would stir up homosexual connotations. In other words, they thought "Bruce" was gay and "David" was more manly. Side note, considering that "David" is the name of the naked statue that Michaelangelo sculpted, I'm not quite sure what they were thinking.
SealBeater
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Its survival of the fittest...and we got the fucking guns!!!
The one I'm really waiting for - TINTIN !!!
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agslashdot
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Tintin, now that's a REAL comic. The cartoon version's available for all 22 episodes.
Spielberg's now putting together the first American version of Tintin. Most likely, Caprio'll play the lead. I can't think of anybody else with a closer resemblance to Tintin.
( For the ignorant masses who know not who Tintin is, the definitive site : http://www.tintin.be )
Re Iron Man
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 4, Interesting
You will. And Silver Surfer, FF, etc. Check out Superhero Hype.com sometime. Now is the Golden Age of Comics Film and (to paraphrase Ovid): Let others praise ancient times, I am glad to be born in these.
Are you high?
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Scrameustache
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· Score: 4, Insightful
In the trailer, Banner claims that he likes becoming the Hulk
Nope, he doesn't like becoming the hulk, he's fighting it. He likes it once he's gone past the point of no return, when the hulk totally supresses his own thoughts and replaces them with pure animal rage. And he doesn't like the fact that he likes it.
Why try to find a cure for his Hulk-ness when he likes the destruction he causes?
Because, if you pay attention you'll see that he doesn't like the destruction. Dunno what you were watching, but it wasn't that trailer.
Hollywood has never gotten a comic book movie right since Superman
lol! Yeah, right, because flying around the earth to go back in time was "getting it right"! Wheee, same thing for the comic-relief Luthor huh?
Batman was getting it right (the first one). Spiderman was giving the horny teens what they wanted, wich commercially is getting it right but not in spirit. XMen got it right. Daredevil...hell, I like that better than Spiderman (at least the wet t-shirt moment wasn't so damned forced and pointless).
David Keown
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First_In_Hell
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As a long time reader of the Hulk comics, this trailer makes me feel a lot better. As a kid I could never get into the TV show because visually it was nothing like the comic book. The Hulk was all about size and power, and back then it just was not possible.
Someone mentioned the leaping was unrealistic. In the comic the Hulk could leap like a mofo.
Does anyone know the classic David Keown rendering of the Hulk in the early 90's? He was FREAKING HUGE. That is how a comic book hero should be. This is how the Hulk was originally imagined to be . . . SUPPOSED to be.
You guys can keep your TV show. I'm on board for this. If you ever read the comics this IS the Hulk, visually the TV show was just a cheap imitation.
Re:Don't make me angry...
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72beetle
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· Score: 2, Funny
You wouldn't like me when I'm angry...
Hell, I don't like you NOW.
-72
-- -Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music.
I love my HULK HANDS!!!
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CowardNeal
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· Score: 2, Informative
I love em so much! Get them before they run out.
New .sig file quote
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LookSharp
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· Score: 2, Funny
After all of these negative reviews based on a two minute trailer (which may or may not contain pieces of file that will actually be shown in the 100-minute version), I think I have a new.sig quote:
"Those who would give up watching a fun movie to spend hours disecting the teaser-trailer deserve neither."
Every cliche needs a little modernization from time to time, right?:)
For those having trouble playing it:
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Gyorg_Lavode
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· Score: 4, Informative
I've posted this before but since people still seem to have problems with quicktime and linux I'll post it again w/ a bit more added on.
As everyone should be aware, mplayer playes quicktime movies on linux. Unfortunately, alot of people have problems with the audio. Basically, the problem is that the new quicktime movies use aac (advanced audio codec) audio instead of mp3 like older quicktime files. The solution of course is to install aac support for mplayer.
To do this, first you must install the codec. The codec that supports aac is available at audiocoding.com. It's called FAAD2. I used the cvs (1.2 beta) so I don't know if the stable 1.1 will work. (The 1.1 requires a small patch to get it to compile with newer forms of the libsndfile or forms of gcc > 3.) Other than that it compiled fine. The second change is that the libraries for faad are installed in/usr/local/lib. Apperently mplayer doesn't, by default, look in/usr/local/lib. I symbolically linked the libraries to/usr/lib (where mplayer DOES look), but I assume you could add/usr/local/lib to the search path.
Hopefully this helps many of the people who want to run these and other quicktime files on linux. Mplayer has made great strides and while it's not perfect, (crashes if you try to run 2 qt files back to back without restarting), it is the best there is for linux, (or for that matter any other system). (As an alternate note, the rpm faad2-1.1-fr1.20030409.i386.rpm does not work. While it installs to the correct place, the mplayer config is not able to detect the version of faad from it. I've heard that it will work as long as you also install the devel package, but did not test it.)
Now, it turns out that it's pretty easy to embed mplayer into mozilla, (or in my case phoen...err, firebird). You just need to go to the mplayer plugin project at sourceforge, download, compile and put in your plugin directory and mplayer will but up inside your browser so that those embeded-only files are no longer a problem.
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you didn't read the Frank Miller books did you?
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Uberbah
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· Score: 2
Actually I haven't either, but I know what happened.
He was one of the first comic book authors to take a charachter and basically destroy his life, then watch what he does. Now thats pretty common, seems to happen to Spider-Man all the time, but when Miller was writting DD it was fresh, shocking, and cool.
The way Bullseye kills Electra in the movie is straight out of the comic book. He takes her own sword and impales her with it striaght through the heart, and yeah you see the tip sticking out her back. Then she got ressurected by the Hand (ninja sorcerors) and ends up working for the Kingpin as his assasin, and is tasked with killing Daredevil.
One of the all time great moments in comics came after the Kingpin destoryed Daredevils personal and professional life prior to killing him. He had Daredevil put in a car that was then tossed in the river so he'd drown. The great moment is when the Kingpin realizes that not only did Matt escape from the car, but now he has enough reason to hate the Kingpin for the next ten thousand years and has nothing to lose.
So the movie is actually pretty tame compared to the comics. That said, I also dislike violence when its totally pointless. I'm a big Dr. Who fan, and there are several otherwise great episodes that I don't care for because everybody dies.
The Fatal Flaw makes the Hero
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PMuse
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· Score: 5, Insightful
The Marvel pantheon is full of deep, fascinating characters (as well as some real stinkers). The best of the Marvel heroes revolve around some fundamental question of humanity or some basic emotion. For instance:
Spiderman = Responsibility. Stan Lee's quip, "With great power comes great responsibility" may not be as catchy as "Up, Up and Away" or "To the Batmobile, Robin", but it's a lot more inspiring when you think about it. Pete Parker received a talent by random chance, an accident, something that he had no say about. That talent has been both blessing and curse to him. That talent is what makes the stories fun to read. What Pete does with that talent is what makes them meaningful.
Hulk = Rage. Bruce David Banner is a civilized, intelligent man. The raging child inside him is anything but. The writers of this book have spent years dousing for the sources of the ever-flowing font of rage that wells up within Banner's fractured soul. His father, his mother, his wife, his father-in-law, his employers. About the only thing they haven't thrown at poor Bruce, as far as I can recall, is children. It doesn't hurt the story any that it was the work of Bruce's own intellect (the gamma experiment) that set the monster within him loose. Now, every day that Bruce wakes up amid the wreckage of some unfamiliar place, he must ask "My God, what have I done?" of his actions taken both while monster and as a man.
Iron Man = Weakness. Bright and shiny on the outside, a lifestyle of flash and sparkle. But, within, there are flaws. Billionaire playboy inventor Tony Stark has a weak heart, is an alcoholic, and has no lasting relationships. Is his entire life a hollow shell? In addition, Iron Man must also deal with the constant possibilities that the handiwork of his mind, which is also the foundation of his fortune, can be so easily turned to evil by others. Iron Man, and to some extent the Hulk as well, must address the problem presented over and over in Tolkien's works: the creations of our intellects can turn against us to work great evil because all machines, once created, have no governing wisdom of their own. Bruce Banner's science opened Pandora's Box and found the Hulk inside. Tony Stark tried to create a better world through technology and learned that technology is equally powerful as a tool of evil.
Captain America = Idealism. Steve Rogers is a man of high ideals faced with a world filled with awful circumstances. Sure, he can try to fight the bad guy, but he's only human and he often fails. What's harder to fight are the situations where the country he loves hasn't lived those ideals.
X-Men = Alienation. While individual X-men have very individual stories, the series overall explores the question of conflict between diverse groups. The homo sapiens v. homo superior conflict serves as a metaphor not only for race relations, but for relationships between parents and children as well. Each mutant must deal with the feelings of isolation and loneliness they experience while acting out their personal mythology: "nothing like this has ever happened to anyone buy me."
Green Lantern (and Dare Devil) = Fear. Courage is an act that only those who feel fear can perform. I'm not sure that either of these characters lives up to their billing as being "without fear", but they both show that it's possible to act in situations that would scare the living @&%! out of any rational person.
To sum it up, every great hero needs a fatal flaw. The flaw is how the reader relates. The flaw is how the tale teaches. Stories in comics are just as full of flash and bang as any other mythic tale, but they can also be as full of substance.
'Nuff said.
-- "We reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals." --The American President (20.1.2009)
Does anybody know how the heck the Incredible Hulk's pants stay on when he makes his transformation??? How can he grow 10 times in size and still fit into Bruce Banner's skivvies???? I need answers!!
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C'mon now, that really wouldn't be much of a fight, unless the Autobots have built some new "Saturn" Transformers that I haven't heard about.
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they stick to the story on this. I don't mind chaning bits to make it flow, but most of Dredd made me cringe....
... I was kinda disappointed, why the hulk, there are much better movies they could have made. The hulk is a pretty poor choice although it does invoke some nogstolgia.
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What happened to his old trailer? Was it just a plain aluminum job like the kind old people tow to Florida?
I hope his trailer is made of something really strong, like adamantium(sp?) as in Wolverines bones. Stainless just does not stand up to the nasty temper of the Hulk!
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Well, you have two options as I see it: (1) Stop watching trailers (2) Suck it up and get over it The choice is yours... :)
Of all the big money superhero movies. I guess this is the first one where the primary character is physically larger than life. The trailer makes it almost look like a photorealstic cartoon vs a "live action" movie with the scenes including the Hulk (and I guess technically those scenes probably are).
I was very surprised by how much of the Hulk they actually showed. I would have expected much more "teasing" up until the very end.
As much as I love a movie where a big green guy smashes things, I think the CGI could you use ALOT of work. In the trailer he looks obviously computer generated. I'm waiting for the Matrix where you can't tell the difference b/w real Neo and computer generated Neo.
how many will be as good as Spiderman or X-Men
I did like X-Men, but if Hulk's only as good as Spiderman, I guess I won't be going to see it.
That said, I hope the end credit roll to the tune of the "Sad Piano Music" of the Bill Bixby/Lou Ferrigno series (as seen on Family Guy).
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New Trailer for The Hulk
Considering the Hulk's anger-management problem, is it really wise to put him up in another trailer? Maybe he should be forced to lie in the bed he has made. That's the only way he'll learn personal responsibility.
GF.
Lots of petrified grits
This is OUR hulk, not the americans' hulk! It will slaughter them all at the gates of baghdad before any American troops come close to our glorious city!
Repeal the DMCA!
Can someone explain me why there is always so much whining about Quicktime ? For Windows and Mac, you have the official Apple Quicktime player, for UNIX, you have MPlayer and Xine, which both play Quicktime videos just fine. What is the problem ? I've been watching Quicktime videos under Windows, Linux and FreeBSD and never had a problem, am I the only one ? "It just sucks" is not a valid explanation / reason.
Some of those hulk shots look plain phony. CGI models look great and all, but the motion is always too fluid, too phony.
A big muscleman with green greasepaint would move much more convincingly, Lou Ferigno (sp?) made a more convincing Hulk than an animated model. Roll Big Poppa Pump around in some grass clippings and have him hulk around.
Sometimes the most simple and conventional SFX are the most convincing on screen. CGI is great for aliens and monsters and stuff like that, but there are too many subtleties with human movement that we're all subconciously accustomed to.
Plus, the "making of" documentaries are now just filming a couple nerds sitting in front of a 22 inch monitor looking at wire models.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
They are in the early stages of making a movie of The Greatest American Hero.
...was quite good IMHO. OK, so it was a smaller-scale story than X-Men or Spider-Man, and the main character didn't have the firepower of a battalion of Marines. So what? It definitely got me interested in DD as I had no prior experience with that corner of the Marvel-verse. It even raised my opinion of Ben Affleck out of the cellar.
Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.
Doc Bruce Banner,
Belted by gamma rays,
Turned into the Hulk.
Ain't he unglamo-rays!
Wreckin' the town
With the power of a bull,
Ain't no monster clown
Who is that lovable?
It's ever lovin' Hulk! HULK!! HULK!!"
Maybe Smashmouth could do it.
"Technology.....the knack of so arranging the world that we don't have to experience it." Max Firsch
I, personally, would like to see Iron Man on the big screen.
Bringing the tech of the armor to the movies should be interesting with the effects that are possible today.
Superman jumps too (tallest buildings in a single bound). Eventually he just started flying.
I was watching old Superfriends shows on Cartoon Network, apparently Bat Man could fly too.
Oh yeah, and Wonder Woman flies now too in the new Justice League cartoons.
Spiderman doesnt fly, but somehow he can swing above the roofline of a city. Just what does he attach his webs too, birds?
The problem with these cartoons is that they arent realistic.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
Actually I thought the hulk was usually better about physics in that he usually wasn't lifting absurd things that would simply crumble.
The leaping would really be a function of how fast the muscles could contract and expand. Since he's obviously muscled to a point beyond extreme he probably could do these things. (Personally I liked in the comics when he was switching between brainless Hulk and Bruce Banner Hulk and came out of one of his rages while half-way through a leap. He paniced, created a huge crater, and came out smiling since he didn't die.)
My favorite part of the trailer has to be him hammer-throwing the tank. The barrell of a tank just MIGHT be strong enough to do that too.
--- I wish I could hear the soundtrack to my life. That way I'd know when to duck.
You wouldn't like me when I'm Ang Lee...
Ang Lee's directing, so more like:
Hulk BORED!
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Whoever stated that signature sizes should be limited to one hundred and twenty characters can just go ahead and kiss my
The problem with these cartoons is that they arent realistic.
How true.
Every one I know from planet Krypton can't fly (but man they sure can jump high) and those two guys that I work with who were bitten by those radioactive spiders still only take the bus to get through the city.
Join me brothers in our fight to maintain realism and accuracy in our comic books!
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First of all, I must admit that the CGI does look a little on the phoney side. That being said...
The size of the Hulk doesn't really matter. Just like in the comic books, where the size of the character, the proportions of his muscles, the angluarity of his overall form varies from one artist/comic to the next. If the Hulk varies in size through-out the movie, good for him. If he seems a little large, well, deal with it. It's a movie based on a comic book - double-suspension of disbelief.
Second, what's with black in CGI never looking 'right?' At least, that's what my brain is telling me whenever I see CGi that looks like... well... CGI - ie that the black of shadows and whatnot doesn't seem as dark as it actually is in nature.
Third, I was liking everything about the trailer until I saw that hell-hound looking thing standing on the tree-branch, and then a few frames later, the Hulk swatting it into oblivion. Is that supposed to be a real dog? Or some sort of hell-spawn dog that's going to destroy everything about the movie?
Four, I have to agree about the speed of his movement. The Hulk relies on brute strength to get things done - not brains, and certainly not speed. The bits where he leaps from place to place - yes. The shot of him windmilling his legs like the Flash gone gamma - no. Sorry, but no. Wrong.
Uhm. That's actually about all. I wish someone would do a *good* movie about Deadpool - more trash-talking, wise-crakin' than the comic book (not the movie) Spiderman, without the reliance on a mutant spider to get things moving.
Ack!
In the comics he's Bruce, in the TV show he's David. Not sure
why.
Stan Lee liked names with both initials the same, Richard Reed, Bruce Banner,
Peter Parker, etc. It helped him remember what the names were. The producers
of the TV show changed it to David, because at the time, they felt "Bruce"
would stir up homosexual connotations. In other words, they thought "Bruce"
was gay and "David" was more manly. Side note, considering that "David" is the
name of the naked statue that Michaelangelo sculpted, I'm not quite sure what
they were thinking.
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-- Its survival of the fittest...and we got the fucking guns!!!
Tintin, now that's a REAL comic. The cartoon version's available for all 22 episodes.
Spielberg's now putting together the first American version of Tintin. Most likely, Caprio'll play the lead. I can't think of anybody else with a closer resemblance to Tintin.
( For the ignorant masses who know not who Tintin is, the definitive site : http://www.tintin.be )
You will. And Silver Surfer, FF, etc. Check out Superhero Hype.com sometime. Now is the Golden Age of Comics Film and (to paraphrase Ovid): Let others praise ancient times, I am glad to be born in these.
In the trailer, Banner claims that he likes becoming the Hulk
Nope, he doesn't like becoming the hulk, he's fighting it. He likes it once he's gone past the point of no return, when the hulk totally supresses his own thoughts and replaces them with pure animal rage. And he doesn't like the fact that he likes it.
Why try to find a cure for his Hulk-ness when he likes the destruction he causes?
Because, if you pay attention you'll see that he doesn't like the destruction. Dunno what you were watching, but it wasn't that trailer.
Hollywood has never gotten a comic book movie right since Superman
lol!
Yeah, right, because flying around the earth to go back in time was "getting it right"! Wheee, same thing for the comic-relief Luthor huh?
Batman was getting it right (the first one).
Spiderman was giving the horny teens what they wanted, wich commercially is getting it right but not in spirit.
XMen got it right.
Daredevil...hell, I like that better than Spiderman (at least the wet t-shirt moment wasn't so damned forced and pointless).
You can't take the sky from me...
Isn't that car in the first couple of frames the same one that the agent jumps on in the Matrix trailer?
Man, these movie tie-ins are getting strange.
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Someone mentioned the leaping was unrealistic. In the comic the Hulk could leap like a mofo.
Does anyone know the classic David Keown rendering of the Hulk in the early 90's? He was FREAKING HUGE. That is how a comic book hero should be. This is how the Hulk was originally imagined to be . . . SUPPOSED to be.
You guys can keep your TV show. I'm on board for this. If you ever read the comics this IS the Hulk, visually the TV show was just a cheap imitation.
You wouldn't like me when I'm angry...
Hell, I don't like you NOW.
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-Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music.
I love em so much! Get them before they run out.
After all of these negative reviews based on a two minute trailer (which may or may not contain pieces of file that will actually be shown in the 100-minute version), I think I have a new .sig quote:
:)
"Those who would give up watching a fun movie to spend hours disecting the teaser-trailer deserve neither."
Every cliche needs a little modernization from time to time, right?
As everyone should be aware, mplayer playes quicktime movies on linux. Unfortunately, alot of people have problems with the audio. Basically, the problem is that the new quicktime movies use aac (advanced audio codec) audio instead of mp3 like older quicktime files. The solution of course is to install aac support for mplayer.
To do this, first you must install the codec. The codec that supports aac is available at audiocoding.com. It's called FAAD2. I used the cvs (1.2 beta) so I don't know if the stable 1.1 will work. (The 1.1 requires a small patch to get it to compile with newer forms of the libsndfile or forms of gcc > 3.) Other than that it compiled fine. The second change is that the libraries for faad are installed in /usr/local/lib. Apperently mplayer doesn't, by default, look in /usr/local/lib. I symbolically linked the libraries to /usr/lib (where mplayer DOES look), but I assume you could add /usr/local/lib to the search path.
Hopefully this helps many of the people who want to run these and other quicktime files on linux. Mplayer has made great strides and while it's not perfect, (crashes if you try to run 2 qt files back to back without restarting), it is the best there is for linux, (or for that matter any other system). (As an alternate note, the rpm faad2-1.1-fr1.20030409.i386.rpm does not work. While it installs to the correct place, the mplayer config is not able to detect the version of faad from it. I've heard that it will work as long as you also install the devel package, but did not test it.)
Now, it turns out that it's pretty easy to embed mplayer into mozilla, (or in my case phoen...err, firebird). You just need to go to the mplayer plugin project at sourceforge, download, compile and put in your plugin directory and mplayer will but up inside your browser so that those embeded-only files are no longer a problem.
I do security
Actually I haven't either, but I know what happened.
He was one of the first comic book authors to take a charachter and basically destroy his life, then watch what he does. Now thats pretty common, seems to happen to Spider-Man all the time, but when Miller was writting DD it was fresh, shocking, and cool.
The way Bullseye kills Electra in the movie is straight out of the comic book. He takes her own sword and impales her with it striaght through the heart, and yeah you see the tip sticking out her back. Then she got ressurected by the Hand (ninja sorcerors) and ends up working for the Kingpin as his assasin, and is tasked with killing Daredevil.
One of the all time great moments in comics came after the Kingpin destoryed Daredevils personal and professional life prior to killing him. He had Daredevil put in a car that was then tossed in the river so he'd drown. The great moment is when the Kingpin realizes that not only did Matt escape from the car, but now he has enough reason to hate the Kingpin for the next ten thousand years and has nothing to lose.
So the movie is actually pretty tame compared to the comics. That said, I also dislike violence when its totally pointless. I'm a big Dr. Who fan, and there are several otherwise great episodes that I don't care for because everybody dies.
The Marvel pantheon is full of deep, fascinating characters (as well as some real stinkers). The best of the Marvel heroes revolve around some fundamental question of humanity or some basic emotion. For instance:
Spiderman = Responsibility. Stan Lee's quip, "With great power comes great responsibility" may not be as catchy as "Up, Up and Away" or "To the Batmobile, Robin", but it's a lot more inspiring when you think about it. Pete Parker received a talent by random chance, an accident, something that he had no say about. That talent has been both blessing and curse to him. That talent is what makes the stories fun to read. What Pete does with that talent is what makes them meaningful.
Hulk = Rage. Bruce David Banner is a civilized, intelligent man. The raging child inside him is anything but. The writers of this book have spent years dousing for the sources of the ever-flowing font of rage that wells up within Banner's fractured soul. His father, his mother, his wife, his father-in-law, his employers. About the only thing they haven't thrown at poor Bruce, as far as I can recall, is children. It doesn't hurt the story any that it was the work of Bruce's own intellect (the gamma experiment) that set the monster within him loose. Now, every day that Bruce wakes up amid the wreckage of some unfamiliar place, he must ask "My God, what have I done?" of his actions taken both while monster and as a man.
Iron Man = Weakness. Bright and shiny on the outside, a lifestyle of flash and sparkle. But, within, there are flaws. Billionaire playboy inventor Tony Stark has a weak heart, is an alcoholic, and has no lasting relationships. Is his entire life a hollow shell? In addition, Iron Man must also deal with the constant possibilities that the handiwork of his mind, which is also the foundation of his fortune, can be so easily turned to evil by others. Iron Man, and to some extent the Hulk as well, must address the problem presented over and over in Tolkien's works: the creations of our intellects can turn against us to work great evil because all machines, once created, have no governing wisdom of their own. Bruce Banner's science opened Pandora's Box and found the Hulk inside. Tony Stark tried to create a better world through technology and learned that technology is equally powerful as a tool of evil.
Captain America = Idealism. Steve Rogers is a man of high ideals faced with a world filled with awful circumstances. Sure, he can try to fight the bad guy, but he's only human and he often fails. What's harder to fight are the situations where the country he loves hasn't lived those ideals.
X-Men = Alienation. While individual X-men have very individual stories, the series overall explores the question of conflict between diverse groups. The homo sapiens v. homo superior conflict serves as a metaphor not only for race relations, but for relationships between parents and children as well. Each mutant must deal with the feelings of isolation and loneliness they experience while acting out their personal mythology: "nothing like this has ever happened to anyone buy me."
Green Lantern (and Dare Devil) = Fear. Courage is an act that only those who feel fear can perform. I'm not sure that either of these characters lives up to their billing as being "without fear", but they both show that it's possible to act in situations that would scare the living @&%! out of any rational person.
To sum it up, every great hero needs a fatal flaw. The flaw is how the reader relates. The flaw is how the tale teaches. Stories in comics are just as full of flash and bang as any other mythic tale, but they can also be as full of substance.
'Nuff said.
"We reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals." --The American President (20.1.2009)
Does anybody know how the heck the Incredible Hulk's pants stay on when he makes his transformation??? How can he grow 10 times in size and still fit into Bruce Banner's skivvies???? I need answers!!
C'mon now, that really wouldn't be much of a fight, unless the Autobots have built some new "Saturn" Transformers that I haven't heard about.