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Growth Job Sector: Freelance Technical Support

An anonymous reader wrotes: "Over at World New York, they've posted excellent advice to the geek masses: If you're out of work and know how to use a computer, you can make a killing doing freelance technical support." Update: 07/25 20:00 GMT by M : The author has asked that we link to the article on homepage.mac.com due to server overload. :)

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  1. Only in theory... by kmak · · Score: 5, Funny

    It'll probably work.. until everyone's doing it.. I guess the real question is, "Is there enough idiots out there to support all the 'geeks'?"

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    1. Re:Only in theory... by jonman_d · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Is there enough idiots out there to support all the 'geeks'?"

      You're new to tech/user support, I see...

    2. Re:Only in theory... by ChiPHeaD23 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If there's one thing we'll never run out of, it's idiots.

      The whole "the Universe or human stupidity" thing.

    3. Re:Only in theory... by Ogrez · · Score: 5, Funny

      And the bad part is.... every time I idiot-proof a system...

      they build a better idiot.

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      Fire in the hands of the village idiot is no tool, but a weapon of mass destruction
    4. Re:Only in theory... by MidKnight · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Here's a relevant quote for you, then:
      • "No one in this world ... has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby. "
      - H.L. Mencken

      Remember, this is the general public that doesn't understand why a monopoly in general-use operating systems is a Bad Thing (tm). Yeah, that's right... I had to throw some anti-Microsoft sentiment into this, so sue me.

      --Mid

    5. Re:Only in theory... by ichimunki · · Score: 4, Interesting

      While I'm not sure suing you is a viable business plan, I have been wondering what the geek world thought of starting a home computer leasing program where regular users would lease a computer (running GNU/Linux, of course) from my (as yet hypothetical) business for a regular monthly fee. In addition to low initial costs for the users, minimal configuration computer is free with a 12 month contract kinda thing, I would think knowing that someone out there was obligated to help with tech support would be very comforting. Basically take how the typical cell phone plan works and apply that to GNU/Linux system leasing and service support. Would it work?

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    6. Re:Only in theory... by kmak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Really though, can you make enough money to make it a full-time job? Can you actively seek users to pay you 20$ an hour doing trivially tedious work?

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    7. Re:Only in theory... by ajakk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One of the main problems is that computers depreciate in value extremely quickly. You would need to lease the computers to the home users at a price that would be near the same cost of buying the computer. Thus, because individuals (in general) prefer ownership to leasing, they would just buy the computer as opposed to leasing it from you.

    8. Re:Only in theory... by Dashing+Leech · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The answer is yes. Right now you have two levels of idiots -- those who need tech support and those who provide tech support. It's a case right now of the blind leading the blind. An actual geek who knows what they're doing could put the current tech support shops out of business.

      From an actual call from my wife and later me (both engineers):
      Wife: Our channels went out during a storm and we're only getting about half of them now.
      Tech: Turn off your receiver, pull out the SmartCard, wait 10 seconds, reinsert it and turn it on.
      Wife: I already did that, it didn't work.
      Tech: It's probably the cabling.
      Wife: How? We're getting half the channels perfectly clear. In fact, it's only the even transponder channels that aren't working.
      Tech: According to my database, it's probably the cables. Do you know if you have RG6 cables?
      Wife: I don't know, my husband installed it.
      Tech: Have your husband call us back when he gets home.

      When I got home, I called. While on hold for about 15 minutes, I surfed through the onscreen setup and came to a page that listed satellite and transponders. Everything was X'ed out except one satellite was listed "Transponders: Odd". I ran the "Check Switch" option and it updated with two satellites and both odd and even transponders. Everything worked fine.

      What kind of moron, or database, thinks the cables are the problem when half the channels are perfect? Dumbasses! They don't even know their own system setup or even basic electronics debugging.

    9. Re:Only in theory... by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ah, the joys of Level 1 Support, also known as "If it's not in our checklist, we can't fix it" support. :)

      Generally, the first thing you do when you call support is ask a question that you know couldn't possibly be answered in their checklist, and ask to be transfered up the Support Chain.

    10. Re:Only in theory... by headkick · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning. " -Robert Cringley

    11. Re:Only in theory... by mr_z_beeblebrox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem I see, is that all the companies may encourage you to do freelance tech support, with your rates a little lower than established firms. Then viciousness ensues, the firms are undercut in price and begin going in death throes so they attempt to function with lower prices. Then unemployed freelancers lower their business. Eventually, you hear "what do you mean you want 7$ an hour for computer support, that's robbery". You need to have a very good reason for going into business for yourself. Unemployment is not a good reason.

    12. Re:Only in theory... by jonadab · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Disposal laws impact businesses; home users mostly ignore them. We
      have comprehensive disposal laws for things like used motor oil and
      leftover paint, but you don't see home users paying fees to dispose
      of _them_. Nope. Pour it into a used milk jug, bag it up with the
      rest of the trash, and leave it for the garbage truck; that's the
      only approach I've seen home users take.

      This is of course illegal and morally questionable at best, but it's
      nevertheless what people do. They'll do the same thing with anything
      else there are disposal laws for.

      Then there are the people who just _keep_ things. I've still got my
      ITT XTRA (an 8086), if you must know... haven't turned it on in a
      good long while, but I have it. We also still have my dad's 286,
      my sister's 386, and my other sister's 486. My Pentium II got parted
      out to build two other systems, but I've got the CPU sitting around...

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    13. Re:Only in theory... by really? · · Score: 3, Informative

      In the US/Canada "you" are still lucky - I say "you" because I am currently residing in Japan.
      As garbage dumps get fuller, and as people realize the environmental impact they have laws will change. For example, in Tokyo not only do we have to separate garbage into burnables/non-burnables, but they have to be placed in _clear_ plastic bags. Yeah, there was some noise about privacy when the clear bags were first mandated, but it's accepted now.

      Or, maybe I am just an optimist, and we will just "export" to garbage to some poor coutry. "garbage credits" ...???

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    14. Re:Only in theory... by N3WBI3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No but assuming you get laid off with some severance or have a bit of money on the side (I try to keep enough to pay rent/car payment/insurance for about 8 months. I think it might be a good stopgap..

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    15. Re:Only in theory... by macshune · · Score: 2, Informative

      I used to be a tv cable guy, and (IIRC) if there is water in the line, the upper channels can get cut out because the higher frequencies run along the outside of the line. It obviously wasn't the cable in your case, but it does happen.

      Nice anecdote, btw. Illustrates how companies can't really taylorize tech support. Was the guy you called in India?

    16. Re:Only in theory... by pmz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Remember, this is the general public that doesn't understand why a monopoly in general-use operating systems is a Bad Thing (tm).

      Then, why do they know enough to be suspicious of monopolies in other industries? If they went to buy a car, and they had no choice but to buy, for example, a Ford Pinto, Ford Streaky Clean windsheild wipers, Ford Slippery When Wet tires, and Ford Big Bang gasoline they would throw a fit that would make a 2-year-old envious.

      My theory is that humans are very susceptible to user interfaces. All cars are basically the same, all screwdrivers are basically the same, etc., but there are enough differences between MS Windows and Motif CDE to make people uncomfortable. One thing Microsoft does well is shove a somewhat-consistent UI down everyone's throats.

    17. Re:Only in theory... by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The hard part is finding an idiot who's smart enough to pay you.

      Or stupid enough.

    18. Re:Only in theory... by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think thist quote is absolute bullshit. TONS of people have lost money underestimating the intelligence of great masses, especially in the last few years...i'm thinking of America Online, but there are others, especially in the tech sector and double especially in the dot com dreams of Silly Con Valley.

      "So easy to use, no wonder it's #1!" Yes. Easy is good when something is cheap, it becomes automatic. But when the price goes up, people are willing to do more work to save a few bucks.

      I think the adage should be "A fool and his money are soon parted...but fools don't get that much money to begin with." Managers excepted.

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    19. Re:Only in theory... by GlassHeart · · Score: 2, Insightful
      My theory is that humans are very susceptible to user interfaces. All cars are basically the same, all screwdrivers are basically the same, etc., but there are enough differences between MS Windows and Motif CDE to make people uncomfortable.

      Another thing to consider is that a stereotypical teenager might have observed his stereotypical father driving for 16 years before being allowed to touch the steering wheel. While the teenager hasn't been paying attention to the mechanics of driving all this time, he is developing a great deal of familiarity with the car.

      If you pull a stereotypical caveman from the forest, and try to teach him to drive, you'll probably find that he'll be scared to touch the car radio if you didn't explicitly teach him to work it. This is a lot like computer newbies being fearful of clicking on any menu item they weren't taught before.

      What we are beginning to see is a generation that grew up watching their parents work the computer. I don't think they will be nearly as uncomfortable as any generation before them.

    20. Re:Only in theory... by realdpk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A good goal is to pay off your car loan ASAP. Then, when necessary, you can drop your insurance to liability only. My car payment was $150 and my insurance was $160! Now I pay ~$60 total (yeah, comp/coll was more than liability).

      It may not sound like much to save $250/month, but if you're laid off and barely making the bills, you'll be happy you got rid of your debt.

    21. Re:Only in theory... by sugrshack · · Score: 2, Funny
      "If you pull a stereotypical caveman from the forest"

      wow! what forest do YOU leave near?

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    22. Re:Only in theory... by EverLurking · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Yeah you can because the software and hardware vendors/manufacturers have completely dropped the ball. IF you can even reach a human via their toll free 800 voice mail hell, you will likely be stuck with one of two scenarios:
      1. Software Vendor says: "Sounds like a hardware issue. Sorry we can't help you, contact your hardware vendor..."
      2. Hardware Tech support: "Nope, not a hardware issue, must be a software issue. Contact the Software vendor or the makers of your Operating System"
      Rinse, repeat ad nauseum. This is assuming that upon reaching a human being, you can even understand that the tech support person (who is likely in another country reading from a rather inflexible/unimaginative script and doesn't even personally own a computer themselves).

      I know my clients are willing to pay $50-120/hr (depending on the job) for someone who is reliable, who they trust and who will show up and get the job done. Rather than them wasting an entire day of productivity waiting for a human tech support to do utterly nothing for them, or trying to find an answer on the web and rebooting over and over again after trying multiple patch/update/drivers in vain.

      There aparently isn't much service in "Customer Service" any more as far as the computer industry is concerned unless you are paying for a multi-million dollar annual service contract.

      That's OK, between Window's lousy reliability/maintainability, cheap commodity PC hardware and non-existant manufacturer tech support, I have a guaranteed job.

      Funny, don't here from the ones I've switched over to OS X much...

      DaveC

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    23. Re:Only in theory... by bluesangria · · Score: 3, Insightful
      OH HELL YES!!

      Before the business where I work at hired their own tech support staf,f they had blown through a $150,000 budget by calling in a "consultant" - at $50/Hr - to do things like, reboot their machines, install a driver, install the OS, etc. - and those were Macs!! Arguably even simpler to maintain than PC's!

      The important distinction to note here is this - a HOME user will want to get away with paying as little as possible beause its THEIR money. A business user won't give a shit if someone charges $50-$75/hr to install 1 memory stick - it's a company expense.
      I've given this some thought before, but the reality is, if you are sick of doing tech support now, imagine how nauseaus you'll become doing tech support for every frelled up installation of AOL or "Barbie Beauty Shop". AAARGH!!

      There are no ifs ands or buts, tech support for home users SUCKS!!

  2. I'd rather by BoomerSooner · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd rather lay bricks in oklahoma in august, it's less frustrating, more consistant and pays just as well.

    1. Re:I'd rather by the.jedi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But would you fix air conditioners in Phoenix in July?

      Why yes I would. I can't even stand to give technical support to my family and I love them.
      Taking angry calls from people who think ie is the internet and trying to fix some computer completely loaded with spyware over the phone sounds like a 40 hour a week root cannel to me.

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    2. Re:I'd rather by ishpeck · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Technical support is a draining experience. I worked in techsupport for a while. The company I worked for had a 110% turn-over rate for employees. If they needed 20 people to keep the call-floor running, they would hire 22 people every quarter to keep up with the amount of quitting that happened: It's that miserable listening/talking-to people who are predisposed to hate everything related to computers (including you).

      You can make a killing in tech support -- assuming you don't kill yourself before your first paycheck.

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    3. Re:I'd rather by brakk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My best method is to just let them talk. Try and pay attention enough to get the details you need, then zone out for a while. Most people who are frustrated with their computer have already had people talking down to them like you said and just want to be heard out. Also while they were waiting on hold, they've already thought of every point they can argue with you and if you let them get it all out first, they don't have any fight left to disagree with what you tell them. And it gives you time to think about the problem and come up with a solution or at least make up something that sounds good to get them off the phone.

    4. Re:I'd rather by Derkec · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've seen a lot of these sorts of comments. What it shows to me is that the company is very poor at managing it's staff and it's relations with clients. Having worked support with my current employer, I know we haven't had much of a turnover rate at all. We are small, encourage the employees to work together on problems, and generally maintain a positive relationship with our clients.

      Still, a straight day or week or tech support is draining. However, if that day is broken up with other work (writing code, scripts, documentation, testing, etc) tech support isn't that bad.

      You do need to quickly adapt your language to the technical sophistication of the caller. Sometimes, they will know more about X than you do, othertimes they will call the desktop "the screen with all the pictures." If you keep in mind that they are not trying to be difficult and probably aren't dumb, just ignorant, a little effort can get you past most of these problems. The intolerance I'm reading on this board saddens me. It's why some people are frightened to call support and others feel they need to be overly assertive (read abusive).

      Treat people with respect and more often than not you'll be treated the same way. This goes for the tech support worker taking calls as well as the manager who struggles with absurd turn-over rates.

    5. Re:I'd rather by wing03 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are two events in my life as a "LAN admin"/"Corporate Computer Guy"/"Helpdesk Guy" that turned the job from being fun to hell.

      1) Seeing John/Jane Q. Public from off the street hired as junior support personnel being trained to follow a problem script rather than relying on their familiaity with an O/S and ability to solve the problem.

      2) Being a LAN Admin with a new manager who came in from a merger and being told that we had to follow a problem solving script, not being allowed to use image casting software and being forced to sit through all the progress bar indicators when installing O/S or any software.

      I believe that through the last 5 years, IT and the computer nerd had been forced apart by the flood of average people that would have normally gone into blue collar jobs.

      Shame.

  3. slashdotted already by Wiggin · · Score: 5, Funny

    judging by the quick slashdotting, there must be a lot of unemployed geeks out there.

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    1. Re:slashdotted already by banky · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's "subscriber-dotted" now.

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  4. Liability by DigiShaman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's too much of a liability. Trust me, I know. I almost got sued because some ladies drive physically crashed after I worked on her Windowz problems (spyware locking up PC). So even if you have them sign a before and after contract, just the rigamaroll of having to go through all that is a pain in the ass. No thank you, I would have to be incorporated with a few other people. This is NOT something you want to do by yourself.

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    1. Re:Liability by SpacePunk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is why you do one of, or both of two things...

      1) get a million dollars worth of liability insurance. Cheap enough really.

      2) Form your service as a Limited Liability Corporation that has no assets.

      So, if you do get sued, and they do gain ownership of your LLC; they get nothing. And, you can happily go off, form another LLC and continue business.

      Remember, your dealing with idiots, and when dealing with idiots you can't do enough CYA.

    2. Re:Liability by vasqzr · · Score: 2, Informative


      This article, and others on Slashdot talk about this.

    3. Re:Liability by warpSpeed · · Score: 3, Informative
      2) Form your service as a Limited Liability Corporation that has no assets.

      IANAL, but my 'L' told me that this will not hold up in court. To form an LLC you must put some assets into the company, otherwise it is just a shell to protect you. The court will see right though this and allow the plantif to go after you directly.

      The Site is /.ed so I could not read the article, but I would suggest that after you finish with the work, get your client to sign off that s/he is satisfied with the work. That will not help with getting sued (any one can sue you for any reason), but it might speed the process up a little to get the case dropped. Again, IANAL

    4. Re:Liability by TenaciousPimple · · Score: 4, Insightful
      This is true.

      Once you touch an idiot's computer, you are seen by them as responsible for everything/anything that happens to them afterwards.

      Also, from this point on, they won't consider for a second to investigate their problems for themselves, but insist that you fix them.

      For example, I had a friend that I helped out by upgrading his computer. 2-3 weeks later he calls me with problems. Since I'm a nice guy, I go check it out.

      Turns out it's nothing I did, but a trojan that infected his computer. When I got there, I already knew how to fix it, as a result of a 5sec. search I did on Google from the symptoms he gave me.

  5. Free Lance Technical Support? by ambisinistral · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Isn't that what boobs that are a few credits short of a Community College degree and badly printed business cards have been trying to do for years?

    That market is saturated pretty bad if you ask me.

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    1. Re:Free Lance Technical Support? by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, I have certifications and job experience going for me to land me a job. I don't have a College degree (two years of college under my belt), but then at least I'm not in debt over it either. Besides, I STILL don't know if I want to be working with computers all my life. Which by the way is primarly why I haven't pushed for the effort.

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    2. Re:Free Lance Technical Support? by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 5, Funny

      I had a friend of mine, genius he wasn't, who tried this. His website is full of typos and grammar errors. That would fill me with confidence as a client.

      My fave consulting story: he begs me once that he needs me to help fix someone's printer. Mac couldn't print. After some convincing (I was jealous he was doing it and I knew i was too lazy to get off my ass) I went over. Tried some basic stuff, didn't work. Went to core simple things:
      Printer plugged in? yep, light on and everything.
      Cable plugged into Mac? yep.
      AppleTalk turned off on serial port? yep.
      Printer cable plugged into printer? ummm, nope.

      The kid also had a PowerCD, essentially a CD player you could use as a portable or hook to the Mac (i told you this was years ago). Kid wanted to show me some games, so to show me, he shut the computer down, removed the CD and restarted it. My jaw dropped slightly. "Umm, you know you can drag the CD to the trash can to eject it". "Wow, just like a floppy?" "yeah," I said "just like a floppy". I asked my 'consultant' friend why didn't he teach the kid that. He said "well, I didn't want to confuse him." Oh, so to not confuse him, you show him an alternate way of ejecting a CD instead of showing its just like all removable media. Umm, OK.

      Hmm, then again this is the same guy who's car was on fire, didn't notice it, and when a cop pulls him over to kill the flames, pulls into a gas station.

      Silly thing is, he got a lot of clients, including one of The Kennedys. He's going to her house, in her car, and she says "I have to stop by work for a second." Pulls up to the Merchandise Mart, at one time the only commercial building in the US with it's own ZIP code (they've since sold off their interests). he goes "wow, you work there?" "Kind of, I own it." Goes to show, sometimes you don't need to be smart, just have to look smart to the people paying you.

    3. Re:Free Lance Technical Support? by zulux · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Isn't that what boobs that are a few credits short of a Community College degree and badly printed business cards have been trying to do for years?

      That's me.

      Except that some of my clients have grown, and my business has grown with it. In 7 years we went from

      Me - fixing windows 95 CD-ROM drivers.

      to

      Me and four other people - making accounting packages with PostgreSQL and XUL, installing OpenBSD firewalls/WAN, FreeBSD file-servers, making KDE apps that are served with Linux, and all sorts of other fun stuff.

      All the while making a shit-load of money.

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  6. A few extra factors by TopShelf · · Score: 5, Informative

    While overall this is a pretty well drawn-out argument for striking out on your own, there are of course extra difficulties along the way, like:

    1) Health Insurance
    2) Liability
    3) Accounting

    Not that these factors can't be dealt with, but they are, amongst other things, stuff you normally don't have to worry about as an employee of a company.

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    1. Re:A few extra factors by MP2Kmag.com · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree with this.. I was able to round up several small programming jobs and training over the Internet and collected some nice little checks, but I had my wife's health insurance and little liability since I wasn't working directly on their computer. If I knew there would be a steady stream of jobs coming in and I could pick and choose -- maybe I'd try it again. http://www.mp2kmag.com - The Magazine for MapPoint

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    2. Re:A few extra factors by notNeilCasey · · Score: 4, Informative

      1) Health Insurance

      check out the Working Today Freelancer's Union. They offer Individual and Family Health & Dental Insurance plans for freelancers in tech-related jobs in the greater NYC metropolitan area.

    3. Re:A few extra factors by Brian+Stretch · · Score: 4, Informative

      1) Health Insurance

      Get catastrophic health insurance. I'm paying about $75/month for a $2,000/year deductable ($500/year deductable for prescriptions). Basically, unless I get hit by a truck, get cancer, or some other catastrophy, I don't bother the insurance company and they don't bother me (or my docs, etc). The cost diff between that and Blue Cross is more than enough to pay routine expenses, even after having to pay them with aftertax dollars (which is the real reason why health insurance is employer paid: tax deduction).

      2) Liability

      Get the obligatory Nolo's Quick LLC book. Setting up a LLC will protect your personal assets. But yeah, there's a lot of lawsuit-happy morons out there. My homeowners association has been sued by a few fellow homeowners who don't realize that suing an association of 300 members that they are a part of is really, really self-defeating.

      3) Accounting

      I'm still working on that one. Actually, I'm working on getting a master's in accounting, now that the job market for software engineers is shot to hell. But my prof told me about how he just spent serious money getting someone from Rent-A-Geek (I kid you not, they drive around what appear to be repainted Slashdot Cruisers, remember those?) to fix his wireless network. $75 for them to come out plus over $100/hour on top of that. (The diagnosis? The Linksys WLAN card was DOA. Shock.) Since I was the guy that tech support came to when they got stuck on Wintel platform issues at my last job, doing home/small business freelance tech support sounds plausible to me. Maybe I'll give it a try.

    4. Re:A few extra factors by Tupper · · Score: 2, Informative

      Another place to look is your college alumni association. Some of them offer these plans which look pretty good to me.

  7. i did tech support 5 years ago by phaetonic · · Score: 4, Funny

    and after 6 months, i was on the brink of insanity and would take my anger out on friends and family. mom: why isnt sound coming out? me: you stupid cunt, you have the sound muted, dont you see the red circle with the slash going through it on the speaker icon? jesus you are so stupid..

  8. Grandmothers by SugoiMonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    $5 an hour with free cookies and milk to boot.

    1. Re:Grandmothers by subterranean · · Score: 3, Informative

      A friend once asked me to help her grandmother fix her modem. I think she had removed the password from the logon box, so it was a pretty easy fix. I told her that there was no charge, but she wouldn't hear it. She went to the kitchen, and came out with a plate of brownies.

    2. Re:Grandmothers by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Funny

      You use cookies and milk to boot? Do the cookies slide into that little slot in front, right below the cup holder, which I assume is for the milk?

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  9. Yup by grub · · Score: 4, Interesting


    That's how I got my current job ~2 years ago. Configuring 2 Cisco PIX firewalls on a contract basis. Now I'm full time and love it.

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  10. Tech Support is Easy! by LordYUK · · Score: 5, Funny

    I mean, heck, just take a page from AT&T... (actual call!)

    Me: Yeah, hi, I have a cable modem through you and...
    Drone: You have a what?
    Me: I have a cable modem, its not ...
    Drone: You have a what?
    Me: I. Have. A. Cable. Modem. High. Speed. Internet. You. Know? Its out, flashing lights...
    Drone: Oh, you have broadband. Unplug your modem for 5 seconds, and then plug the network cable directly into your computer if you have a hub/router (obvious they have no clue what either is, its probably just in their script as such).
    Me: I've already done that, and no, its not the hub, the hub works fine.
    Drone: Let me send out a technician.
    Me: ARGH!!!!

    God I hate them. Thank you Speakeasy! At least they laugh when I tell them how much I hate the cable companies!

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  11. Great Opportunity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What a great opportunity to meet bored and lonely housewives.

    1. Re:Great Opportunity by Marcah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Meet them??
      Some of those callers seemed to have so bad attitude problems that it's no wonder they are lonely housewives. Which ofcourse made me happy there was a phoneline and >100 kilometers between us ;-)

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    2. Re:Great Opportunity by witts · · Score: 2, Interesting

      True story from a friend who works for local cable company: he was sitting in the van doing paperwork when a fat, unattractive woman knocks on the window and asks how much cable is per month. $30. She asks if she can *BLOW* him for cable. He politely refuses, she's way gross. She then ups the ante and offers sex, but no way, she's an ogre. He makes his excuses and gets the hell out of her neighborhood (trailer park, too many jokes flooding my head...) Funny thing is my pal told people back at the office about the encounter and now everyone talks about it. So moral of the story: bored & lonely housewives are not hot, they are alone for a reason.

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  12. are you kidding? by genevaroth · · Score: 3, Funny

    IT is done, toast in this country. The best way to make money is to open a firm in india and have an IT sweatshop. You would be better off opening a typewriter repair shop, at least its a noble way to starve yourself to death.

  13. Mmm, freelance! by Emperor+Tiberius · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I used to do this for almost two years, before I started working for an ISP. I charged a nice $20 dollars an hour deal, with extra charges for hardware replacement, software installation. My little business was able to "boom" simply because I was cheaper. All the freelance techs out there now think, "Hey, I'm so 'elite' I can charge $75 an hour!" Wrong.

    I would see signs/ads, everywhere (literally), begging to have people hire them at prices that reached into the hundreds per hour. I'm a simple guy, without too many expenses, I buy a ton of games, and for me, $20 dollars an hour was great. I got to choose my own hours, and make myself profitable.

    As for the "idiots to techs" ratio question, some people obviously haven't worked in the tech field [long enough]. Until the day they make a computer completely crash/idiot-proof, there will always be a need for a technician.

    My two cents...

    1. Re:Mmm, freelance! by prgrmr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I charged a nice $20 dollars an hour deal, with extra charges for hardware replacement, software installation. My little business was able to "boom" simply because I was cheaper. All the freelance techs out there now think, "Hey, I'm so 'elite' I can charge $75 an hour!" Wrong.

      The hourly rate one can charge depends entirely on what skills one has and the type of work being done for whom. If I had to go it alone, being a Unix System Admin, I wouldn't dream of charging less than $100/hr, and mostly likely closer to twice that. I also would try to concentrate on the Fortune 5000 types of corporations, as those are the guys with the money to burn. Of course, I'd only work about 30 hours a week as a result, but much of that would likely be 2nd or 3rd shift. Those are the hours critcal work is best done, and leaves the regular staff (if any) available for the 9 - 5 routine.

    2. Re:Mmm, freelance! by uncre8tv · · Score: 2, Funny

      If I were to go freelance I'd work only for Willy Wonka. And then only if he gave me my own Oompah Loompah assistant and a chocholate PDA. Hourly rate has to figure in the market for those said skills. Sprint just lay off 200 IT people? Your UNIX skills won't get you jack in KC for the next year or two then.

    3. Re:Mmm, freelance! by edverb · · Score: 2, Informative

      I own an onsite PC service company that helps consumers and small companies up to 25 endusers (and we're profitable). I've got a few tips from my experience for anyone thinking of getting into this field.

      So don't be daunted by statements like "the market is saturated". It's not. There is demand if you know where your emphasis should be.

      Here are the factors that go into the choice of IT service vendor, in order:
      1. Working knowledge of their business
      2. Technical expertise
      3. Cost
      4. Strategic business acumen

      Cost is not the primary factor in choosing a vendor and never has been. Over the last few years, nearly every decision small businesses are making on their IT investment is predicated on ROI. If they're not going to cut costs or make immediate profits, odds are you won't land the projects even if you're at $20/hr. Conversely, $120/hr is well worth it if your work pays for itself in short order.

      Here's my analysis of our competition: 20% do quality work, have skills and stay current (and make ideal partners on jobs beyond our particular sphere of competence). The other 80% are backyard mechanics of varying skill who claim to deliver the world and fall far short of their claims. It is not hard to capture the backyard mechanics small business clients, because they almost never get repeat business regardless of their rates.

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      Vonnegut: "What is the purpose of life? To be the eyes, ears, and conscience of the Creator of the Universe, you fool."
  14. Hell No by j_kenpo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You couldn't pay me enough to deal with that crap. I used to do freelance tech work, and you know, it was quite possibly the worse job I've ever done. There were far too many miles put on my car, and having to do your own customer service calls really sucks. I don't think I was ever at a point of higher stress. Its not that it didn't pay, but trying to fix and teach the common person how to deal with everyday computer problems gets repetitive and grueling. I think if I'm ever in a situation where I was when I did freelance work, Ill sell sperm instead... at least Id get some sense of satisfaction out of it.

  15. Everybody is already doing this by poffenvis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    With so many thousands of fellow geeks out of work already for the last couple of years, this market is already saturated.
    Besides, people aren't willing to pay the amount of money it takes to take care of stoopid Windoze problems- a reload on an average system can take 4-6 hours (with backups, new drivers, etc.)
    Hard to get more than a couple systems a day through, then you've got to figure on all the time and energy spent on trying to get clients.

    I'm making more money (sadly enough) as a convenience store manager than as a geek nowadays.

    And now, as well, with even programming jobs being shopped overseas, the market for geek skills is even tougher.

    Changing careers may be a better option than chasing after elusive (and non-existant) tech money.

    peace,
    r.

    --
    Aiieee! Death from above!
  16. Re:no no no.. by meshko · · Score: 4, Informative

    um... what is insightful about this? No one makes shitload of money doing this, but I know people doing freelance tech support/small company system administration at $50-$70 an hour which in my book is called making money.

    --
    I passed the Turing test.
  17. Re:no no no.. by ilsa · · Score: 5, Funny

    [Knock Knock Knock]

    Customer: Who is it?

    Techie: Tech support.

    Customer: I didn't call for any tech support!

    Techie: Yes sir, I know. I am in the door to door tech support business. Can I interest you in some high quality tech support? My rates are very reasonable!

    Customer: No, thanks. Goodb...

    Techie: Are you sure you don't have bugs to troubleshoot?

    Customer: No, really, thanks for coming, but....

    Techie: Perhaps I could install some peripherals for you?

    Customer: No!

    Techie: Maybe I could run anti-virus software and defrag your hard drive. That's the special of the day!

    Customer: No!

    Techie: Any mysterious crashes I can diagnose, and then tell you you need to put in some more RAM and reinstall your operating system?

    Customer: Well... wait, NO!

    Techie: Maybe I could just open and close all your windows. I offer that service for only a dollar!

    Customer: Go away or I'm calling the cops!

    --
    -- I Am Not A Terrorist.
  18. Can't see this making much money. by Yaruar · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't know about the US, but in the uk the way to go is just to retrain as a plumber or electrician. Average pay in the uk for support has dropped to well under 20 pounds an hour with a lot of basic support jobs paying just over minimum wage. Bear in mind that a freelance plumber or sparky can probably make 30-50 ukp an hour... I know what I do if I lose this job....

    --
    Working for the (other) man
  19. Er? by mblase · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well anyway, how much does an idiot charge me for some help tweaking some shell scripts, or a little bit of perl programming?

    They don't charge you anything, you charge them, ideally by the hour.

  20. Ive been doing this for quite some time. by 222 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Im sure the majority of /. readers have done something like this, but the difference is that my spare wanderings supply the *majority* of my income. Simply by bringing up computers, or speaking to people at bars of cool technologies, ive found myself doing work for a reasonably large crowd. Once you've done work for someone, they almost ALWAYS have a friend that needs something, and that friend has a friend, and so forth. While its not the most stable work in the world, i always seem to do alright. (I would put it on par with waiting tables, the numbers always seem to end up partially in your favor). The best part? You can charge $50/hour showing some nitwit how to install kazaa, and hes all the happier. And they love you :)

    1. Re:Ive been doing this for quite some time. by Cowclops · · Score: 2

      $50 an hour showing some nitwit how to install kazaa?

      Most of the time people need my services, they pay me so i can show them how to UNINSTALL kazaa, since its usually whats causing "tons of pop ups, sluggishness, and frequent crashing"

  21. Real Techincal Support by Liselle · · Score: 2, Informative

    I do technical support as a full-time job, making a living. Maybe there is some spin in this article (that I can't read, because their servers are on fire), but I don't see how throwing out the things that I get by working for a real company will make me rich. I'm certainly not rich now.

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    Auto-reply to ACs: "Truly, you have a dizzying intellect."
  22. Freelance MS Support? Who's License? by superid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Suppose I want to be a freelance tech support / Windows Superman who can swoop into peoples homes and repair their neglected boxes. By the letter of the MS law...errr...license....what can I actually do?

    Will the typical user be able to produce any OS media whatsoever? Full version (ha!) Upgrade? (possibly)... recovery cd?

    If not what am I left with? Windows Update? perhaps. The admins in my office carry a pack labeled "CDs to Fix Most Anything" and these include our corporate ver of various MS products.

    If I went to Staples and purchased a full ver of XP Pro, could I use it to repair existing broken installations. I do not mean a complete reinstallation, rather, I suppose it would be the /i386 stuff, cabs and infs.

  23. Bonus! by GuyMannDude · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you're out of work and know how to use a computer, you can make a killing doing freelance technical support.

    In addition to making a decent wage and setting your own hours, you can decide how to respond to each customer without having to worry about what The Boss thinks of your approach:

    Caller 1: "Hello? My computer won't work anymore!"
    You: "When did you first notice the problem?"
    Caller: "Oh right after I took it apart and washed all the components with warmy, soapy water. It was getting really dirty."
    You: "You fuckin, fuckin, moron. No help for you!"

    Caller 2: "Hello? I'm having trouble getting the floor pedal to work. How hard am I supposed to be stepping on it?"
    You: "Floor pedal? What the fuck?"
    Caller: "You know. That hand-shaped device with the rubber ball imbedded in it!"
    You: *click*

    Caller 3: "Hello? I can't get Microsoft Outlook Express to work with my AOL account."
    You: "Well, Dude, it sucks to be you. If you were using pine on a Linux box I might be inclined to help you. But nooooo, you wanted to help Microshaft and AOHell strengthen their monopoly. Well, have fun with their tech support lines 'cause I sure as hell ain't gonna help your monopoly-strengthening lazy ass!" *click*

    Yeah, I can see the freedom to provide the appropriate response a real bonus to this job!

    GMD

  24. Typical Freelance Support Call by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Good morning. Badass Tech For Hire, Incorporated, Tom speaking.

    "Oh, hello, Jim. How're things at World New York? ...oh...I see...hmm...well, let's see what we can do.

    "First off, what do you see on the screen? ...Nothing? Is the server plugged in? Mmm-hmm...it is? Okay, that's good. And the power is on? ... you press the little button, but nothing happens. OK. And are any lights on? No. Hmm.

    "It sounds like you may have a hardware--what's that? Really? Well, that's not good...yes, it does smell rather bad when that happens. *laugh* Yes, I can see how having the extinguisher right there came in handy...

    "Well, I'm afraid...huh? Your backup just went, too? That's odd. That only ever happens when--hang on. *clickity tappity clackety CLACK*

    Oh.

    "Jim, have you ever heard of a website called 'Slashdot'?

    --

    Obliteracy: Words with explosions

  25. Incompetence by marshac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have done a little bit of work on the side doing this, usually when the normal guy is on vacation or something. I hate these jobs. Why? Because I'm always cleaning up messes left by the normal guy. Have you ever seen a network of 50 workstations, all without any centralized user/workstation management (ie: no domain or anything)? I have. It's scary. How do you make a printer avail on the network? Duh, printer sharing... the thought never occures to anyone to get a stand-alone print server. How do you deploy software? Over sneakernet. We won't even go into the horrible network security, the rampant viruses, or the spyware installed on every workstation (but hey, Outlook has color now!). Since i'm always just the fill-in guy, whatever I recommend falls on deaf ears. The icing on the cake? The usual guy makes $60/hour doing this. Before anyone says it, no, these shoddy networks are not the result of lack of funding... these companies have plasma screens on the walls, and very nice chairs.... it's not lack of funding, it's a lack of will on the part of the IT guy to improve the situation, and perhaps a lack of skill/knowledge. For someone who knows better, it's a very frustrating experience.

  26. You forgot one thing by bsands · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reason that I hate doing any type of tech support for friends, co-workers, family, or anyone one else I know, is the golden rule of fixing computers. Which reads, if you fix it for them once, the next time anything goes wrong, they blame you, or want you to immediately come and fix it. Then somehow think a fixed computer comes with a 5 year repair warranty. They will call you all the time to "ask a quick question", as if your time means nothing. After this happened a couple of times, I won't touch anyone's computer.

  27. Noooo way. by plip · · Score: 2, Funny

    Freelance tech support is like opening your door and inviting all the world's idiots in. Everyone and their Grandma has a computer these days, and nobody (speaking of general population non-geeks) understands them.

    From a business perspective, who do you think your customer base will be? Straight up, candidly speaking (I can't understate this), your customer base will be people who are FUCKING DUMB. =) You're going to get the poor ghetto trash with 8th grade educations that SOMEHOW managed to buy an incredibly outdated computer that won't run anything, and expect you to fix it for them. Like talking to brick walls? Maybe you should try that, instead of trying to fix a PC for a dumb irate redneck egomaniac know-it-all ignoramus who can't even figure out how to click his mouse or scroll the screen from left to right, and expect him to understand a word of non-urban slang gramatically correct English.

    However, if you've got a masochistic craving for suffering at the hands of total idiots, this would be the perfect field for you. Personally, I'd rather be a janitor, because cleaning shit up would be preferable to this. =)

  28. Alternate Link, and Full Text, From The Author by MoNickels · · Score: 5, Informative
    Wow! My second Slashdotting. The site is down. Fortunately, I don't host my own, or I'd be red-faced.

    Here's an alternate link:

    http://homepage.mac.com/monickels/techjob.html

    And the full text:

    By Grant Barrett @ World New York

    This article by the New York Times suggests that people are becoming technically adept by necessity, and that, as happened with radios and automobiles, eventually all technology will take care of itself and be as mindless to operate as toasters are today.

    I see that day as decades off. Computers are still complex to make, complex to learn, complex to integrate with other gadgets. More importantly, they still have more than one knob or lever. Until that day of machine self-reliance, I see a golden opportunity: an under-served market waiting for the ambitious to step in.

    The following is a small excerpt of a manuscript, modified to suit this topic.

    ...

    Technical Self-Employment Is A Fat Paycheck Waiting to Be PocketedBy Grant Barrett @ World New York

    This article by the New York Times suggests that people are becoming technically adept by necessity, and that, as happened with radios and automobiles, eventually all technology will take care of itself and be as mindless to operate as toasters are today.

    I see that day as decades off. Computers are still complex to make, complex to learn, complex to integrate with other gadgets. More importantly, they still have more than one knob or lever. Until that day of machine self-reliance, I see a golden opportunity: an under-served market waiting for the ambitious to step in.

    The following is a small excerpt of a manuscript, modified to suit this topic.

    ...

    Technical Self-Employment Is A Fat Paycheck Waiting to Be Pocketed

    Last year, at a Christmas party held by a client of mine at a very nice restaurant in Manhattan, I ran into a friend of a friend. I don't know him well, but we've socialized once or twice, and have had solid geek conversations in the past. He does Active Directory management for big corporations.

    I should say, he used to do that. He's been unemployed now for more than a year.

    After we shook hands I could see his face change from a friendly howdy-do. He dropped down into commiseration mode: the corners of his mouth drooped, his head ducked, he took a Hapsburg stance--his feet angled, his left foot perpendicular to his right, heel against arch, his torso yawed a few degrees off center, his hands lightly on his hips--and waited expectantly.

    I knew what he wanted. I make my living with private computer consulting: client-site tech support, mostly, but pretty much any of the little computer-related tasks small businesses have. I knew he wanted to talk about the tech business. And he wanted me to start, so I complied. "How's business?" I asked.

    He jumped in according to the script. "Oh, it's not been going well at all. Awful. I've been out of work. I can't find anything. How're you doing?" He anticipated a long bitch session of headhunter mistreatment, interview mishaps, finicky clients, resume failure. He relished the chance.

    "It's great," I said. "I've got more business than I can handle. I'm giving it away. I've probably handed off or turned down enough business in the last six months to employ another person full-time. In fact, I've just turned over a second $30,000-a-year piece of business to another tech so I could concentrate on other clients."

    He looked at me in amazement. His eyes bugged out. I saw doubt, then self-doubt, there, and eventually he just walked away.

    My theory: If you are reasonably adept at using or setting up a computer, there's no good reason to be unemployed.

    Forget the boom-time Nineties. They're gone. I'm sorry.

    --

    Wordnik, a dictionary project which aims to collect

  29. I have better idea by SphynxSR · · Score: 3, Funny

    naked freelance support. and yes it is a new meaning of HARD drive.

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    I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
  30. PEBKAC by Thud457 · · Score: 3, Funny

    What make you think that "computer people" and "idiots" are mutually exclusive?

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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

    1. Re:PEBKAC by AtariEric · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They're not - and best of all, idiot computer people can screw up a computer far worse than normal idiots.

      --
      Don't trust any concentration of power.
    2. Re:PEBKAC by 2names · · Score: 2, Funny
      ...which provides more work for the non-idiot computer geeks who then put their earnings back into the economy to provide jobs for other people.

      Wow. Our whole economic system is geek-powered.

      "...I work longer hours, so I can make more money, so I can drink more Jolt, so I can work longer, so I can make more money, so I can buy more Jolt..."

      --
      "I'm just here to regulate funkiness."
  31. The MILFs of Geeks by mykepredko · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't forget to bring your video camera along and come up with a great come on using the words:

    LARGE HARD DRIVE

    Maybe this is the road to riches they are thinking about.

    myke

  32. Health Insurance by Bame+Flait · · Score: 2, Informative

    I know someone above noted the liability benefits of incorporating. Also know that Health Insurance rules have changed in recent years to accommodate self-employed individuals.

    See some basic information here. An article I read a while back discussed how a loophole allowed 70% deduction of a spouse's insurance if they could be shown to be an employee. So bring your wife on as a partner and reap the benefits.

  33. No Geeks in Tech support by duvel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You don't need geeks to provide tech support. Actually geeks are just about the worst type of people to provide this service.

    What you need are people that have people-skills: they must be capable to talk to people, calm them down and get them to understand stuff. That's not going to work if your attitude is going to be along the lines of "you stupid ... why don't you just do x and leave me the alone". It's sufficient if you can understand what a customer is trying to ask and then read the correct answer from your screen.

    Don't misunderstand me and read that I'm saying that no geeks are capable of doing this. It's just that your average geek didn't become a geek by being big on people skills.

    --

    I have a photographic memory for numbers. I know almost a hundred of them.

    1. Re:No Geeks in Tech support by Leareth · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Amen Brother!

      Sad as it is for me to say this 90% (or higher) of my fellow geeks are completely and totally incapable of doing tech support in a meaningful fashion. Tech support isn't just about the computers. Tech supportis making the non-computer people (them with the checkbooks) feel confident about the skills and aventual positive outcome brought about by the geeks.

      How not to do this:


      1)Speak derogatory comments about their operating system/officesuite/computer manufacturer. They probably have no emotional attachment to any of those, but if you question their wisdom you back them into emotional position where they have to defend their position... even if they don't have one. This is bad.


      2)Deliberatly use techno-speak or gobblygook when plain english will do. Or do you feel so threatened they may actually see through your bull?


      3)Be a know it all. No one knows it all. At this point it is impossible to know everything about every piece of equipment or software. Besides humility is a virtue.


      4)Treat your customers like morons. Everyday I support a group of 50 completely cluelesss computer users. They all also hold multiple doctorates in economics, social policy, or political science. Morons they are not.


      Bonus Item Bathe.

      --
      *A)bort, R)etry, I)nfluence with large hammer.*
  34. This idea is right on... by YllabianBitPipe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Recently read a book saying that any sort of repair-related career does fine during a recession. Reason should be obvious: people can't afford to buy a "new" whatever, or are scared to put out that kind of money, so they spend money keeping up to speed whatever they already have.

    Also, think about the huge demographic of baby-boomers retiring or about to retire. All those parents, grandmas and grandpas about to have a huge chunk of free time on their hands. Maybe they're not so mobile anymore and hanging out at home a great deat. Most likely they're going to be buying a computer and getting on-line, for email, to do their amateur photography, etc. A huge target market. Plus they may be sitting on a nice pile of retirement money.

    So I'd propose starting a up a consultant type business where you repair people's computers, do tech support, maybe even help people pick out computers to purchase, and target older retirees. Focus on house calls, and of course, super friendly customer support (say "yes sir, no ma'am"). Oldsters eat that stuff up.

    Just as long as I'm the boss and you do all the house calls...

  35. Life is a bitch by floydman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok, i worked as a senior Technical Support, i had a team of 4 engineers, all well well trained and stuff.. I was well paid....I supported very complex multiple platform/database client server and web applications (i.e knowledge scope of our employees was quite amusing)...thats one part of the story

    A friend of mine, was a freelancer support geek, he supported ppl with no idea of computers , install windows here, reconfigure a driver there, fix the Internet connection over here, stuff like that...

    AND HE MADE TWICE AS MUCH MONEY AS I DID....

    Move your guns away from my face,i am not complaining here, my point here, is that it is irrelevant...you can be doing really complex things in a very large firm and another guy with half the work load you have gets paid twice as much just because of his connections and ofcorse (his spare time being unemployed)..

    --
    The lunatic is in my head
  36. Not as bad as you might think. by TellarHK · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One way this could be really beneficial to people is to consider it an alternative and temporary source of income between job hunts. It doesn't take a -lot- of effort to put together a decent looking flyer, and a waiver form to limit or eliminate liability. A couple weeks ago I noticed such a flyer at a convenience store near where I work. Here are some things I noticed that were major signs to stay away.

    1: 'Certified' was in italics on the lower left hand corner. All by itself. Alone. One word. Certified in WHAT? If you have applicable certifications, explain them genuinely. If you don't, describe your actual knowledge instead.

    2: Let the prospective customer know you stand behind your work - but at the same time, don't put yourself in a bad position to be liable for anything. Say that your liabilty is limited to one free hour of additional service, should you determine that an oversight on the initial visit wasn't sufficient.

    3: Offer what you know. This sign I saw in the store said they offered -computer detailing- service, anti-virus and OS installation... and that was about it. If this person knew more, they'd have said it.

    4: If you have a logo... don't use stock clip-art. This sign used the lined-pyramid default image on every default MS Publisher template as his logo. Depressing.

  37. Reading /. is depressing by Blitzshlag · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Mod me down as off-topic, but I think this post is relevant to the nature of this thread. These forums are all doom and gloom these days. Is all of /.'s reader base unemployed? I guess this is what I get for reading in the middle of the work day, of course the only posters would be people who are out of work, or in school. ALL IT IS GOING OVERSEAS! NO GEEKS CAN MAKE MONEY! I'm not buying any of it. The numbers of returns for tech job searches on the likes of monster.com in the tech sector have never been higher than they are now. And I'm seeing jr. level programming positions advertising 60-70k/year. I'm in school and my programming internships (with 2 large companies) have paid better than what a lot of people are saying the average full-time salary is these days. Both companies have asked me to return after I graduate for full time positions starting at nice comfortable salaries. I'm no super genius either, I'm a good programmer who works hard. And it's not location, because I've worked in 3 states already. I dunno, maybe I'm young and stupid and not seeing the big picture.

    1. Re:Reading /. is depressing by DuBois · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The even bigger picture is that Abdula and Apu cannot do exactly what a local programmer can do because of cultural, language, and geographical distance (if Abdula and Apu still reside in their home countries).

      Local programmers who are willing to market themselves properly regarding these differences will still do well.

      Just like much of the mindless mechanical work that used to be done in factories in the U.S., much mindless mechanical programming is being exported so that Abdula and Apu can work for 1/3 the cost of a U.S. programmer, who would eventually not want to do that kind of mindless mechanical programming anyway.

      --
      The IPCC has purposely engineered a massive scientific fraud.
    2. Re:Reading /. is depressing by forgetmenot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Cheer up. You're not the only one noticing this trend. Personally I feel it's only a handful of BIG (seriously.. BIG) high-profile companies that are reducing costs by moving IT services overseas. But it NOT every shop doing so. Granted there's a lot of unemployed people out there but there's also still a lot of jobs. One has to wonder if the real reasons there's so many complaints about lack of work is more because of one or more of the following:
      1) Unwilling to relocate.
      2) Inflated egos spoiled by dot.com era salaries.
      3) Realization that MS Certification and/or 6-month diploma is NOT a meal ticket. (Note to readers: If you're unemployed and one of these, leave the real work to the pros, go run a convenience store or become a plumber instead)
      4) Not informed enough to go looking in the right places.
      5) Anti-social personalities.

      Methinks Slashdot could "help out" its unemployed readers by providing links to
      a) IT/software developer job-wanted sites.
      b) sites to help one improve personality/hygiene and general interview skills.

      There are already plenty of site like that but apparently a LOT of readers can't find them on their own.

      Oh wait... lookee here in the corner under "Services".. Wow.. it's a "Jobs" link.

      Now if only there was link to this page.

  38. Saturated. Exasperated. by pelorus · · Score: 2, Informative

    Okay, time for an anecdote.

    Picture this, four or five small companies all targetting the same small area. There's enough for all of them to get slim pickings - enough to keep the geeks in hardware and everybody paid on time.

    Now, add a few freelancers. They come in, promise the earth, delivery is usually substandard and comeback is absolutely nil. There are a few of them, lone rangers, about but they're not doing terribly well. It's great for a slump in the day job, a period of redundancy or a bit of extra pocket money, but for long term, it bites because customers want culpability, they want guarantees and they want someone who can come in at the drop of a hat.

    I don't mind though. The freelancers end up giving us more work. They're like a sales team. They do so well at their job that people are phoning us to help them recover. Most freelancers have no concept of "tax" or "insurance" because a lot of them were working for big dot-boom companies and they had a legion of pen-pushers handling that for them.

  39. Depends on what you like to bitch about ... by Master_Wu · · Score: 2, Informative
    Reading through the posts you see all the arguments that keep everyone working as a wage slave:

    • too frustrating (pick better clients)
    • no insurance (you can write it off when you pay for it yourself)
    • personal liabilty for damages (get insurance or incorporate - you can be a one person incorporation)

    • Really I prefer that people just keep on repeating what their parents told them growing up, as it keeps fewer people out there to compete with my self-owned business. Sure it gets frustrating sometimes, but it's my business and I call the shots, so if I need a break, I take one. I would much rather run my own show, then sit around complaining about working for "the Man". No matter where you are, you run into frustrating idiots, I just price myself out of their range, or don't go back if they drive me nuts - it's my call. If I deal with any idiots, it's beacuse they pay good money for me to deal with their crap, and they tend to keep breaking things on a regular basis(can you say, "repeat business"?). My favorite thing is to go in to fix a computer "problem" only to have it be a cord uplugged or printer out of toner. 10 minute fix equals one hour billed - fine by me! It's not for everybody (as seen in the other posts), but for me, there is nothing like the freedom of being your own boss. To those who prefer to work for someone else, they are just going to have to wait for the economy to pick up.

      As a disclaimer, IT consulting is not my only source of income. I'm also a musician, but it boils down to the same thing. It still involves running your own business, and working with idiots sometimes - it just happens to involve beer more often.

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    Wine, music and cinema are the three great creations of humanity. -T'Ian Han
  40. I've been doing this for quite a while... by vudufixit · · Score: 5, Informative

    And I'm on the verge of exceeding my income from the Help Desk job I lost a year ago. No one's blamed me for anything that's gone bad; in fact the word of mouth business I've generated has been outstanding. Yes, there are times when I'm called back to the same house umpteen times and I don't charge. Yes, there are times when people are sticker-shocked and haggle me down. But by and large I love being totally independent, not having a boss or partner (save myself and the government, respectively), and being able to make my own hours. Why have things worked out so well for me? I wonder about that, and I think there are several answers: 1. I have a very professional, yet friendly and approchable attitude. 2. I'm polite in people's homes and I don't fit the stereotypical "geek" profile people are expecting. 3. The clientele I serve are in a densely populated, tightly knit and affluent part of the country. Word of mouth spreads quickly, and these people are willing to pay. They have multiple computers, so they want DSL/cable hooked up and shared. And even when their Dells need fixing and are within warranty, they are so frustrated by hold times and first-level overseas tech that aren't trained - just reading from a troubleshooting script - that they're willing to pay someone to make a housecall 4. I'm willing to come over as early or as late as they want me, weekends included. Too many people think of their freelance business as a nine to five job, instead of a business. All in all, it's been a great development in my life, but I hope not too many people read that article in my area and get the same idea!

  41. The main problem with this plan is the plan! by Markvs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The main problem of outsourced IT is that I've rarely seen two different consultants agree on anything!

    Consultant one: Well, you have a small shop and don't want a dedicated IT guy, so I'll set up Microsoft SBS (Small Business Server) so you'll have any function you can possibly need.

    Consultant two: I don't know what that other guy was thinking, but it's pointless! You could have just bought (insert single application here) and saved a TON of money! ...repeat as necessary with *every* piece of software/hardware in the environment, each time a new consultant comes by.

    Something broken? Obviously the guy who worked on it last/set it up was a moron. Needless to say that this gets much worse depending on how many different guys you use. And not having a company-to-company relationship can really hurt when the e-mail server is down and John won't return phone calls.

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  42. Ars Technica: Accidental Self-Help Guru by Mad+Man · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Funny, ArsTechnica has a story today about how computer users are becoming self-sufficient in some respects.

    The NYT is running a short piece on the growing phenomenon of people who, solely out of necessity and not out of any real love of computers, have been forced to become tech-heads.

    As consumer electronics proliferate and consumers grow increasingly disenchanted with technical support operations (which routinely charge for calls), many people are discovering that whether they want to or not, they are developing more than a little technical proficiency. Some, like Mr. Marcuse, become virtual experts. But many of these accidental techies learn only as much as they absolutely must...

    Phyllis LaBaw, 45, associate athletic director at the University of South Florida in Tampa, is seldom away from her computer. As a result, she has grown self-reliant over the years without having attended a single computer-related class, she said. "You start spending time, and you're going to get to the point that eventually you're going to learn how to fix what you've botched up."

    Still, for all the time they invest, most self-taught technicians would rather be doing something else.
  43. Re:$20/HR....ooohhh...plumbers start at $50/hr by Kintanon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because when your computer crashes, it doesn't flood your bathroom with shit.

    Kintanon

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  44. Freelance technical support mostly psychological by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Having complete control of your work life is a great thing compared to being a cog in a larger company. It is also fraught with perils. If you are a technical wizard with little people skills, stay out of this business. In freelance technical support the 'technical' part is rarely challenging and is often a minor part of your job. You will act as an explainer, camp counselor, big brother, hand holder, accountant, and buck stopper as much as a propeller head.

    Customers won't be calling you with blue skies and singing birdies. They will call you at the last minute when some problem has their entire business on the line. They have come to depend on you, so that often means they will piss and shit on you and blame you for the problems of the world. Don't take it personally. They are just trying to transfer the stress. That is partly what they are paying you for, even if they don't know it.

    If you can deal with this social stuff, freelance technical support can provide a long and fruitful career where people treat you like a hero when the problem gets solved. If you are not the people type, this career will seem an endless hell.

  45. Apparently I live in a different reality by Rackemup · · Score: 4, Informative
    I had a full-time job at an IT company, I was the network admin, the QA tester, the company trainer and the website guy (4 jobs, only one paycheck of course). In my free time I did a little freelance tech support business doing house calls to make some extra cash. I only charged $20/hr and I worked around their schedule. I did that for about a year before I gave up.


    The upside was that I could make a bunch of tax deductions for running a home business and get some of my money back from the government.


    The downside was that it was a money-losing vebture from the start. A small ad in the weekly paper ran me about $90/month.. unless I got 5 calls in a month (which was rare) I was already in the hole.



    Friends would ask me "man why arent you charging way more money?"... the simple explanation was that no one would ever pay it. When everyone has "a friend who knows lots about computers" why would they pay someone $75+/hr to come over when they could get it for free? I gave it up when the costs kept rising and the calls got scarce, even raising my price to $25/hr wasnt enough to pay any bills. I guess the population base isnt high enough to provide enough computer-idiots to make a living on. Now I see at least 3 other people around here trying to do the same thing.


    I've been unemployed for almost 7 months now and I've enrolled in the military to get a steady job. Granted I'm in Canada but it's gotta be pretty similar in the US. Dont you just love IT?

  46. Re:OT: Sure, why not? It seems to work on women by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Don't ask me to explain step 3. I don't even know if there's a step 3.

    Step 3... 11 inches.

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    That is all.
  47. Re:Excellent!!! by vudufixit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Redwoodtree: Thanks for the note of understanding and encouragement. I'll also add that in a lot of cases, my more affluent clients will simply give me working hardware they don't need anymore (ie - recently got a 19" monitor and a Brother HL-1440 laser printer) - if the stuff's good enough I'll use it, and therefore save on a purchase - or I'll turn around or sell it to a less well-off client that's willing to buy used hardware. What also helps is living in a area with a fairly aged population - I notice older folks need more help with computers, are less quick to upgrade, and are very loyal to people who give them good service.

  48. I'm doing this right now by Maleko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't RTFA (since it's /.ed) but I am doing freelance tech support. I setup home wirless and wired LANs, setup NAT/Firewall boxes for cable/DSL subscribers, apply patches, re-installs, and some general security tweaks and basic security training with each customer. I also help with any problem my customer's has (yes any, I get some dumb emails) for free, if they can handle it through email. If I have to go to their house (or call them), they get charged. I charge a reasonable rate (depending on the job up to $15 an hour plus gas, and travel time). I am not getting rich by any means, but I make a decent living and can schedule work around time for my kids, and being a single parent, that is very important to me.

    Honestly, I couldn't ask for a better job, sure it has it's headaches, and some weeks the work is sparse, but I wouldn't trade the flexability it gives me with my kids for anything.

    1. Re:I'm doing this right now by anubi · · Score: 2, Informative
      Just remember that $15/hour Maleko gets is probably from homeowners/individuals who are not writing off the expense, hence no need for tax records.

      Consider if Maleko worked for a business, there would be all sorts of tax ramifications and deductions on the paycheck. Maleko would have to "earn" about $30/hr before Maleko got that $15/hr that was spendable.

      I know this is not the legal viewpoint, but I can't see it as tax evasion, its just a question of who pays the tax. The homeowner who invited Maleko into the house to fix their personal machine is paying Maleko with money they already paid tax on, so why should Maleko pay tax on it again? However, in the case of a business, they are writing the wages of Maleko off as a business expense, hence Maleko is on the hook for paying the tax, which means Maleko would have to make about double the amount in order to end up with the same amount of spendable cash.

      Another advantage of working for cash directly is you do not need to keep such an immense overhead of documentation of your business, where each penny went. You know how it is. You "earn" a "helluva lot of money", but in order to do so, you must spend a "helluva lot of money" to stay in the game. If you don't keep really good records on that "helluva lot of money" it takes you to play, the government taxes you on the whole amount you took in, leaving you nothing at all to live on. So, by clever stroke of the tax law pen, they have forced you to provide free accounting service to the government.

      There is a lot to be said for low level cash business.

      --
      "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]

  49. You can live decently on 52K a year in NYC??? by edlong · · Score: 2, Funny

    Definition of "To Live Decently in NYC on 52K a year"

    1. You don't live in NYC. Your cardboard box on 131st & 5th doesn't count

    2. You can't work more than 20 hours a week because your eating frugally (ie out of garbage cans and meals on wheels leftovers, and your customers refiges) and have prefected the art of chimping change from the "take a penny, leave a penny" jar.

    3. You've mastered the art of "wow, this is a major problem, it's going to take ALLL night to fix" and convienently crash on the customers couch until morining.

    Maybe I missed the key point in this quote and your "sharp tax advisor" means something I'm unfamiliar with and is the real key to your success.

    Quote: "Do the math for a minute: Let's say you work 20 hours a week and charge $50 an hour. That's a $1000 a week. That's $52,000 a year. Now, you'll pay taxes out of that, perhaps up to 40% depending upon where you live, and your own insurance, and other costs, but it's still a respectable income. If you itemize your deductions and hire a sharp tax advisor, you can avoid an unnecessary tax burden. Even in New York City, one of the most expensive towns on the planet, you can live decently on that money."

    1. Re:You can live decently on 52K a year in NYC??? by glenstar · · Score: 3, Insightful
      This cracked me up!

      When I first moved to NYC I took a job at 90k. 90k quickly becomes about 55k after the city, state and federal take their cuts. Drop another 30k for rent (Upper West Side) and that leaves 25k a year to live in Manhattan. Like to eat out (or have to because your kitchen is the size of a toaster)? Add a grand a month, easy. Now we have about 13k in which to pay bills, entertain yourself, etc... Needless to say, when I took my next job I asked for (and got) a hell of a lot more.

      That being said, I knew people who seemed to live okay on the island for 40-50k/year. Usually with a couple of roommates in either the Lower (lower, lower) East Side or in Harlem or the Bronx.

  50. Geek Squad by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative
    Geek Squad has a great approach to on-site tech support. They offer flat-rate pricing and 24-hour service. It's not cheap, but the flat-rate aspect gets them customers.

    They have an image and attitude. Their company cars bear a "Geek Squad" logo. Their people wear white shirts and ties and pocket protectors. They even have a black SWAT van for major problems.

    It's too bad they're still a small company. They should be everywhere, like Roto-Rooter(tm).

    They're hiring.

  51. Only the other day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    A customer called and said:

    The software doesn't work. All I keep getting is the options: Repair or Remove, when I click on it.

    Turns out he was executing setup.exe again and again rather then the software itself.

    After talking him very slowly (9 mins. in all on our 800 no) through Start->Programs etc. he said:

    That's the first time I'm seeing the program!

  52. This does not work for everyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm a 20 year old computer geek and I'm great at computer troubleshooting, but this isn't as easy as they make it seem. Its hard to find clients. I handed out numbers of cards,flyers and put ads in the paper. I got about two calls.

  53. some problems by jafac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm a pretty smart guy, and for most problems, sure I can fix those. But every once in a while, you run into something that's been obfuscated by black-box-engineering. You can't figure out what the problem is, without seeing inside. In some cases, it's as simple as spending your money on an incredibly overpriced "xxx Unleashed" book. In other cases, you have to swap out bad hardware, and it could be one of a couple of dozen possible components.
    Do you stock your own supply of spare parts? Can you purchase them at cost, or do you have to pay retail for them?

    Finally - you'll always eventually hit some problem that you simply can't find answers for, either in expensive documentation - or PAID (cha-ching$$$) support calls to a vendor. Where you get endlessly jerked around. Personally, I could do every facet of this job, except this one, and love it. When I get stumped - and I know the answer's in there, but for a lack of good documentation, you're just plain stuck - as a freelancer.

    Hell, even when I've worked for Big Software Company Dot Com, and we had clout with Microsoft - I would hit problems that even Microsoft developer support could not explain. That's a crappy position to be in, and exactly why I am a believer in Open Source. If you can't find someone who understands their own f0cking source code, then you can at least go in and look yourself.

    I'm just saying - as a standalone freelance technical consultant, you don't have clout with the vendors, and you can't get the truly nasty problems fixed. Period.

    On the other hand, getting $100/hr taking apart iMacs to get CD's out of froze-up slot-loading CD drives ain't a bad way to make a living.

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    These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
  54. Albert Einstein says by tankdilla · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

    Although in this case if they don't know what they're doing, they're not stupid, just ignorant. And there's nothing wrong with that, so long as there are people there to step in and counter their ignorance.

    However the only thing worse than ignorance is a misguided individual that thinks they know what they're talking about. And somehow these individuals end up in management.

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    -Look lively. LOOK LIVELY!!! --Mr. Shmallow

  55. Well you *USED* to be able to make a killing. by JVert · · Score: 5, Funny

    Too late now, everyones going to be doing it now that they read about it.

    Is this the first time an entire job market has been slashdotted?

  56. Re: The tech was actually on the right track by mpaque · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On a small dish satellite receiver (DirectTV or Dish Network) there's a bit in the antenna (the LNB) that's switched between even and odd transponders by feeding a DC (one of tw voltage levels) signal from the reciever back to the antenna. The signal switches the LNB between clockwise and counterclockwise circular polarization. Even transponders use one polarization, and odd transponders use the other.

    When you ran the switch test, you caused control signals to be sent to the relays that switch between two LNBs in your antenna (these are usually low frequency tone controls). The test repeatedly cycled the relays, which tends to clean the contacts. This then allowed the differetn DC signal levels to reach the antenna to switch the LNB to get odd transponders.

    Odds are pretty good that you have one or more connectors in the coax running to the antenna that are not sealed and have a little corrosion in them, weakening the DC control signal. Less likely but possible causes include a marginal switch, or a long run of lower quality cable such as RG/59.

  57. Speaking of... by xNoLaNx · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe they should hire someone for tech support. Seems their server's not doing so well.

  58. Do you live in a trailer park? by FatSean · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Arround here, people sort their recyclables and take stuff like oil and paint to a reclamation center.

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    Blar.
  59. 3.5 years and counting by Ainu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have been doing tech support for 3.5 years now and counting. I still have all my marbles, just not always sure where they may be located. I understand people's frustration when dealing with a tier one support level. Where I work we started out with some very good selection of people with all kinds of qualifications and smarts. The hard part was our hands were tied, policy preventing us from doing the job in a way that we would prefer or go as far as we would like. Over time with turn over the quality of the people being brought in has declined significantly with more emphasis being placed on customer service skills than actually fixing the problem. That combined with working for an outsourced company which gets paid by the phone call, you can see that the emphasis is never about fixing the problem, it's all about answering as many calls as possible.

  60. Real talents are still in demand by cfish · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought this article is very depressing until I realized that this guy is NOT qualified for anything else.

    I'd like to make a point that "household tech support" is a bearable job for someone who knows no more than how to fix a printing problem, because it is "slightly" challenging for him.

    I'm not trying to be snobby, but I know for sure that good talents are still high in demand. But there's not a lot of ways to distinguish those from clueless people. Microsoft tries hard to do that in thier job interview, but people still have a database of thier questions. This, my friend, is the biggest problem I see in the industry.

    There are too many clueless people with a "tech" title whinning about not getting a job. (HTML programmers, anyone? The writer does not have any credentials.) They should do freeland tech support. I also know really skilled people without a job, but it will be a waste of talent to do this.

    One more thing: please don't vote for Bush next time. For one, the corporate tax break did nothing more than sending tech jobs overseas.

  61. Ive been doing this for years by Facekhan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have been doing freelance support, teaching old ladies how to email, setting up home networks, and installing drives and adapters into pc's for a couple years now. If you bust your ass and spend a lot of time and a reasonable amount of money advertising (flyers, newspaper ads, a radio commercial etc. then you can make a fair living at this. You can easily charge $60-$120 for an hours work and you charge even more when small businesses call and need emergency service. I charge 80 an hour at this point and for emergencies at night I have charged as much as 200 an hour. It definitely keeps me in the lunch money while I go to college full time.

  62. The Best Job by cpuenvy · · Score: 2, Informative

    I started freelancing a couple of years ago, and it has grown into a profitable little business. $45.00 an hour, flat rate. IT outsourcing, home users, etc.

    I just started making money at it, and I was ready to give up until I got my first real paycheck in the mail last week ($3900.00 for 10 days of work).

    I tried advertising in the paper, to no avail. It is a complete waste of money.

    I joined the Chamber of Commerce, got some calls from that.

    Had my business info pasted on the back of my truck, no calls from that.

    I even tried having pens made up with my info, and business cards.

    I got some calls from my website http://www.onsite-services.net, but the most work I get is from chasing it down. I have found that to be the best way, since work rarely bangs on my door.

    Hope this helps anyone that is looking to get into this line of "work".

    PS. It took me 2 years to finally make some decent money.

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    DISCLAIMER:

    I don't believe what I write, and neither should you.

  63. Train Unions and Yummy Donuts by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actualy Canada (Toronto specificaly) export garbage to the United States. I waiting for some pissed off Customs Agent to ask "Any Fruits or Vegitable back there?" and making the driver open it up for inspection.

    Heheh... I hadn't thought of that.

    Here's something about that whole situation which strikes me as very stupid:

    • The 401 is crowded and the city is choking in traffic.
    • The city has a vast number of rail lines heading down to Windsor and Michigan (the garbage's destination).
    • The garbage doesn't have to be anywhere for any specific time, if it spends a couple of days in transit, it's not the end of the world.
    • Trucks offer flexibility and speed since the container can be delivered door to door.

    Now, you can't honestly tell me that a fleet of at least 20, if not 40, trucks doing endless day-night runs to Michigan is cheaper or more efficient than using rail?

    Have the unions really blown the cost of rail transportation so high that it's not even suitable for bulk overland anymore? Why is a train operator (I refuse to call them engineers unless they know the pain of 4 years of differential equations) paid more than a truck driver, when the truck drivers have the added responsibility of steering?

    Why is it that the most staunch pro-union activists are also the most militant environmentalists, and don't they see the folly of this situation?

    I'm a common sense environmentalist (ie. low-flush toilets are a false economy because you have to flush them 6 times to dispose of the ...dark matter), and this just burns me up.

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    Fire and Meat. Yummy.
  64. What Happens Next by jetkust · · Score: 2, Funny

    He dropped down into commiseration mode: the corners of his mouth drooped, his head ducked, he took a Hapsburg stance--his feet angled, his left foot perpendicular to his right, heel against arch, his torso yawed a few degrees off center, his hands lightly on his hips--

    ...A crowd gathered around him. The music starts. He starts dancing his infamous Geek Ramba. The crowd goes wild. In mid stride, he slings off his leather Lord of the Rings jacket revealing a homemade Bittorrent t-shirt, a fresh nametag from the latest Star Trek convention, and a platinum necklace with a giant emblem in the shape of a penguin...

  65. Spyware by blunte · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Considering probably 4 of 5 computers has spyware dribbling out of every orifice, I'd say there's plenty of business.

    In fact, as long as MS is the market leader in OS and desktop "productivity" software, tech support should thrive.

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    .sigs are for post^Hers.
  66. Re:The problem with idiots by bach37 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem with idiots is that if you touch their machine once then the next time something *unrelated* goes wrong they will blame you. I've seen it happen too many times.

    You're absolutely right. My Dad did "freelance" car repair. He used to be a full time mechanic. He recently changed the oil in a lady's VW Passat(?). She came back to him the next week wanting to know what he did to her car b/c she had problems with the electrical systems which would cost lots of $$$ to straighten out. WTF?!!? After that, my Dad said "Never again!"

    -Scott