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LovSan Clone Let Loose

JMullins writes "According to Kaspersky Labs the LovSan virus has been re-released in a new form that has changed the appearance of the worm. It looks like the outbreak continues to get worse and worse, with no real end in sight until people can patch their systems. Net slowdowns are expected over the weekend when both versions of the virus start their attack."

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  1. Cloning.. by Stalus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't let the legislature get wind of this story.. They'll try to use it as justification to ban cloning.

    1. Re: Cloning.. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny


      > Don't let the legislature get wind of this story.. They'll try to use it as justification to ban cloning.

      The scary part is that if they mutate and interbreed we could end up with a virus with four asses.

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    2. Re: Cloning.. by Gherald · · Score: 2

      Well he probably thinks of it as an "improvement."

    3. Re: Cloning.. by couch_potato · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think we all agree that outside or a research environment, virus/worm writing is the lowest form of geekery.

      Wrong. It's still a step above Star Trek conventions.

    4. Re: Cloning.. by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Is there some reason that virus writers don't create their viruses to modify themselves automatically? It would be easy to defeat a checksum automatically. If you wanted to get really fancy, you could have it completely rewrite the code randomly by substituting different assembly sequences that are mathematically equivalent.

    5. Re: Cloning.. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Interesting


      > Is there some reason that virus writers don't create their viruses to modify themselves automatically? It would be easy to defeat a checksum automatically.

      Maybe some of them do do that, and the A-V firms haven't caught on yet.

      Seriously, IMO the kind of worms we've seen so far are child's play compared to what we can expect when someone wants to do some serious damage. In the future we'll have stealth worms that just flip a few bits on your system and then erase themselves after propagating to another computer or two, worms that work as a genetic algorithm to optimize effectiveness and continually feed new variants into new "ecological niches" of the internet, worms that are mathematically optimized for the fastest spread, or conversely for the broadest under-the-radar spread, etc.

      The future is bleak, IMO.

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    6. Re: Cloning.. by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Wrong. It's still a step above Star Trek conventions."

      Off-topic? By Grabthar's Hammer, I shall avenge you.

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    7. Re: Cloning.. by DeadMeat+(TM) · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Self-mutating viruses have been around for over a decade. They're called polymorphic viruses, and they usually work by reordering instructions, randomly inserting useless instructions (like NOP or OR AX, AX), or encrypting the virus against a varying table of keys and then decrypting the virus at runtime.

    8. Re: Cloning.. by Satan's+Librarian · · Score: 5, Informative
      Uhm - they've been doing that for years. Early types were called polymorphism, an idea pioneered by the 'Dark Avenger'. Search for "MtE Dark Avenger" on the net. Old stuff.

      Basically, the concept is that an encryptor is built up in memory randomly, while the inverted code (e.g. add vs. sub, rol vs. ror) is built up in reverse. The virus is encrypted with the encryptor, and the decryptor is prepended.

      There were a ton of them in the early 90's. There are polymorphic Word viruses that use different techniques - running their script through a randomizer for variable names and such. Some viruses have also mutated their own opcodes as you suggest, although it's less common - but its been done.

      Detecting such viruses is challanging, but usually there are static bytes with known (although possibly variable) distances between them. One can also run an interpreter over a file and pseudo-execute it until it can be proven that it is or is not a virus, or just blast any existing crypto around the body and look to see what's there. If the virus just flips between equivalent opcodes, then just scan with a regular expression that includes each equivalent as an alternative. Another method is analysing the opcodes - if an exe's entry point is at the end of the file where you have a 1k decryptor right before 2k of garbage, and all the decryptor's opcodes fall within what one virus can produce, chances are....

      There are a lot more complex and hybrid techniques for it -those are just a few that can be described quickly.

    9. Re: Cloning.. by J.J. · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In my opinion, you have three classes of people that are capable of writing a worm:

      The curious amateur

      This guy has a couple clever ideas, few scruples, and a lot of spare time. All the wide-spread (and well-covered) worms, to date, have come from this kind of guy.

      The white-hat professional

      These are your security researchers other security professionals. these are the guys that get paid to work in this field every day. They're smart, the understand the details of the security business, and they're fully aware of the extreme vulnerability of the Internet. Like you, the know how bad a "real worm" could be.

      The black-hat professional

      These are your security researchers and security professionals. These are the guys who's job is security. They're smart, they understand the details of the security business, and they develop tools (including worms, trojans and viruses) to take advantage of these vulnerabilities. These tools are developed for a specific purpose: to further the objectives of their employer. You don't hear about them, because their tools are low-n-slow and their impact is very targeted and controlled.

      The difference between a white-hat and a black-hat is a matter of perspective. The world is a big place. Certain governments do not have the same morals as others. Read The Economist. The French intelligence services work very closely with French businesses. The Chinese have equally questionable practices.

      The future is not that bleak. The worms that are designed and released for wide-spread, global impact are the modern-day equivalent of graffiti on billboards. It's an ego trip, nothing more. The ones to worry about are the ones who don't have an ego, and have a specific purpose.

      Hope you're checking your logs, and I hope you notice when he hacks your systems.

      J.J.

    10. Re: Cloning.. by nolife · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I know it is the "in" thing to rag on script kiddies but it does not matter who did the damage. Why someone has more or less respect for a root kit user or a exploit writer because it was easy or hard to implement is beyond me. It would not matter to me if my systems were cracked by Solar Designer, Linus, or a t33n gamer. My claiming I was only cracked by a script kiddie does not make it any better, the damage is still the same. If it was something I could have patched but did not, I'd blame myself first.

      IMHO (not probably not a popular one), someone who writes a virus that replicates by seeking out other victims through sockets is not what I consider to be a script kiddie. Code Red and Slapper were similar. Regardless of how poorly you think it is written, it has taken down between 250,000-500,000 internet users in only three days.

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    11. Re: Cloning.. by Doomdark · · Score: 5, Informative
      The French intelligence services work very closely with French businesses.

      And, to be fair, US intelligence service works occasionally closely with US corporations (there were some cases related to airplane industry where EU was investigating how come US company had found out what some european company was bidding).

      Point being that perspective certainly matters, like you say, but also that few government agencies if any are completely above using illegal and/or immoral practices to help "their" companies, anywhere in the world.

      Open democracies, and especially free press lessen likelihood of such stunts (by retroactively uncovering them, usually leading to scandals... which act as deterrent in the long run). Unfortunately those 'antidotes' are being threatened especially in US, by latest legislations (from "Patriot" act to DMCA).

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    12. Re: Cloning.. by Shanep · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm waiting for the day when something as effective as these worms, bring a payload that writes pseudo random data to all your hard drives and even firmware (motherboard, MODEM, hdd, etc) of popular devices.

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    13. Re: Cloning.. by chrispycreeme · · Score: 2, Funny

      I could take down 500,000 machines in a weekend. Just line em up and give me a strong electromagnet. Oh and a Jeep, I dont want to walk that far. I think what the previous poster was saying is that the worm is the code equivalent of a sledge hammer- not very elegant but gets the job done. Just like 90% of the crap I whip out when my boss wants it "yesterday".

    14. Re: Cloning.. by toddhunter · · Score: 2

      Thats all well interesting, but incorrect. You forgot to say
      "and I hope you notice when he/she hacks your system.

    15. Re: Cloning.. by Lectrik · · Score: 2, Funny
      Addendum: If you wanted to get really fancy, you could make the virus check the web, newsgroups, and IRC for cryptographically signed updates that could include new instructions and new vulnerabilities to take advantage of.


      <Obligatory MS Bashing>
      I think that's called Windows
      </Bash>
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    16. Re: Cloning.. by Firehawke · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They already exist. Chernobyl trashes the BIOS when it detonates, and there are old old virii from the 80s that could destroy monitors and video cards by forcing them to send bad signals. There was also at least one virus which would destroy hard drives back in the day by forcing the drive to overstep its bounds on each side, essentially beating the head against each end of the disk at high speed until it was destroyed.

  2. That's media reporting for ya by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "It looks like the outbreak continues to get worse and worse, with no real end in sight until people can patch their systems."

    To be fair, the media's not going to be interested in reporting that it's not as bad as it seems.

    (Note: I'm not saying it's not that bad, I'm saying don't trust the media to tell is its dying.)

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    1. Re:That's media reporting for ya by Pharmboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, to be honest, if it didn't sell, the media wouldn't report it that way. People LOVE catastrophe and doomsday predictions, for some odd reason.

      On a similar not, I am witnessing tv hype disaster now. All the power is out in NY, and people have been calmly walking down the street to leave town. Others are "volunteering" to direct traffic, and people are obeying. People are out together in the street with candles, checking on neighbors, almost everyone is calm, even tho with the power out, getting news in was slow and difficult (like 9-11, but much milder). Sure, some will take advantage of the situation, but burglaries happen every night. On the whole, I am pleasantly surprised at how well organized it is, and how well its going so far. Its a success story on dealing, again.

      Yet the news channels are TRYING to make it out to be worse than it is. They are saying how people are mad and want to know why this happened, but they can't SHOW someone saying that, they just report that its true. fox/cnn all the same.

      The real irony is how calm everyone is, how they are seem to have a "oh well, can't help it, no reason to freak out" attitude even while the news reporters are almost trying to get them to.

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    2. Re:That's media reporting for ya by edremy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      What cracks me up about the whole thing is reporters talking about how terrible losing electrical power is for a day- shops closed, food spoiling, no transporation...

      Folks, you've just described postwar Iraq. Power there has been intermittant for *months*, in heat worse than anything NYC has ever seen. And we wonder why the Iraqis are pissed off? We can't deal without power for a single day...

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    3. Re:That's media reporting for ya by op00to · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know about that. As much as people put the "blame" on the terrorist attacks on 9/11 for EVERY change in New York City, I disagree.

      It sounds nice and warm and fuzzy to have something "good" come out of the terrorist attacks. I think that in general, New Yorkers behave themselves because if they don't, life will really, really suck. First WTC bombing people? You didn't see people looting or freaking out.

      This isn't the first large power outage that hit NYC recently. It happens every other summer or so, just not as widespread.

      I think many people view cities as being inhabited by some sort of animals which have no self control. These people, all living in McMansions in the suburbs, are amazed when adverse situations affect cities, and they don't burn to the ground. Maybe they're jealous that we get to hang out on street corners and drink beers while the power is out, who knows?

      New Yorkers have helped each other before 9/11, and it's obvious that they'll do it after 9/11. Perhaps it awoke something in you that tells you to be civil to your neighbors, but most New Yorkers grow up this way and don't know another. These things happen when you live on top of 8 million other people.

  3. gotta say it by minus_273 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Bill gates, why do you let this happen? any coincidence that the attack is exactly 1 month to the day that the hole was announced..

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    1. Re:gotta say it by windows · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree, there was very good lead time here. Us Slashdot readers, Microsoft, the US government, anti-virus coders, and many others knew and said it was only a matter of time before a worm exploited this hole. And now that it's happening, we shouldn't be surprised. We can get some of an indication of just how serious this worm will be, though, by watching tomorrow during the day and evening. It's already late Friday morning in some parts of Asia. We'll know much better the impact of this worm Friday evening, though, as it'll be Saturday in Europe. If anything particularly serious is going to happen, we'll definitely know it for sure.

      And I'm on a Southwestern Bell DSL. Is it just me or are some ISPs now blocking port 135?

      In my opinion, it's definitely a good thing that they are, if this is the case. And it appears to be.

    2. Re:gotta say it by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The 800kb patch has been out since last month. If you didn't patch, you know who to blame. Not Bill Gates.

      As a matter of fact, this has been the only vulnerability in Windows Server 2003 since its release, and it was a vulnerability that was inherent in the interprocess structure of the Win32 library itself and so affected all the products in the Windows line.

      I doubt we'll see any other holes in Windows Server 2003 for the rest of the year, especially since they're already working on the service pack (their plan is to phase in Blackcomb features). Microsoft's reputation is riding on this, and you better believe they were checking their code like crazy.

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    3. Re:gotta say it by PhxBlue · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right, Bill Gates personally wrote this worm and released it into the wild.

      I'm no fan of Microsoft, but cut them some slack. They released a fix for this vulnerability two months ago. If people are still vulnerable, it's their own damned fault.

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  4. Already slow as hell, so just in case... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Kaspersky Labs, a leading expert in information security, has identified a new modification of the notorious Lovesan worm (also know as "Blaster").

    Kaspersky Labs' experts anticipate that in the short run a repeated outbreak of the global scale may occur. This is because the two versions of "Lovesan" exploit the same vulnerability in Windows and may co-exist on the same computer. "In other words, all computers infected by the original "Lovesan" will soon be attacked by its revamped versio," commented Eugene Kaspersky, Head of Anti-Virus Research for Kaspersky Labs, "Taking into consideration that the amount of infected systems is now reaching 300,000 the return of the worm will imply a doubling of this number and lead to unpredictable results." In the worst case scenario the world community might face a global Internet slow-down and regional disruption of access to the World Wide Web: just as it happened in January 2003 due to the "Slammer" worm.

    Technologically, the new modification of "Lovesan" is a copycat of the original. Slight changes were made only to the appearance of the worm: a new name of the main worm-carrier file (TEEKIDS.EXE instead of MSBLAST.EXE), a different method of code compression (FSG instead of UPX), and new "copyright" strings in the body of the worm abusing Microsoft and anti-virus developers.

    Users of Kaspersky(R) Anti-Virus can be sure that this new worm will not harm to their computers. All Kaspersky Labs products effectively detect both modifications of "Lovesan", without requiring an update.

  5. It's a little fishy by Exiler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that an antivirus lab announced that a new clone was on the way, not spreading but on the way.

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    1. Re:It's a little fishy by Amorpheus_MMS · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not unthinkable that they would get a copy early, if one of their users sends it to them for analysis...

    2. Re:It's a little fishy by WHudson · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I always wondered if the anti-virus companies have some programmers in their payroll who work on developing viruses -- either to predict things before they hit, or to keep product updates coming and profitable.

    3. Re:It's a little fishy by heli0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The same warning about the new clone has been released by dozens of other groups including...

      http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/msblast.shtml

      http://securityresponse.symantec.com/

      http://us.mcafee.com/virusInfo/default.asp

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  6. Feeling left out by cesman · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm starting to feel left out.. Maybe I'll install Windows on a box and join the fun.

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    1. Re:Feeling left out by alonsoac · · Score: 5, Funny

      No seriously, I once was regarded by friends and family as the guy who could fix their computers. Now they call like crazy saying their PC is rebooting and I don't know what the hell they are talking about. Then I read about the virus and tell them what to do but of course I wouldn't know if it will work (or why it didn't work) since I dont have an infected machine to try it. This has made me look like an idiot plus I'm here working all day while my friends enjoy a couple days of forced vacations while someone has time to fix their machines. Grrrr..

    2. Re:Feeling left out by anubi · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Oooh man, tell me about it. I don't know what I'm missing, I suppose.

      I had been working on my CAD system on my home machine running WIN95 and DOS. I wasn't even aware anything was amiss until I logged onto Slashdot to see whats new. I was wondering why it was so slow. My firewall responded in a bit and told me I was getting a helluva lot of connect attempts on port135. So, I go look up the log file and it looked like SQL slammer all over again. Almost a megabyte of infection attempts. I wondered at first if I had made an enemy on a dialup??? In 4 hours??? Why did the whole world seem determined to wax me off the web? Damm, it seemed like everyone in the world was wanting my port135.

      Ok.. so I continue to read Slashdot and the story finally loads about this new LoveSan virus making the rounds. Hmmm. When I think of how much work would have been lost had something came in and messed up my machine, I shudder. But then, I don't run my machine wide open to the net. I try to practice secure techniques - such as never allowing any programs to run that I have not verified their intentions, and don't run anything that allows embedded executables ( read: javascript and later things post DMCA that haven't been "cleared" by what I consider trusted groups - which are mostly the groups the DMCA was aimed at in the first place. )

      Sure, there are a lot of websites that I can no longer see. I can not even access the Southern California Edison site, nor many business sites - as they require these embedded-executable technologies as a requisite to viewing their content.

      So, I sit here, with a pretty fast system, as its pretty simple. I have no virus scanning going on, as I am not running just anything I get in. I do have an integrity monitor running, which does a quickie on startup to see if any critical files are amiss ( it just calculates an MD5 on my key executables and compares to what they should be. ).. if so, booting to GUI is aborted and I drop to DOS to straighten it out - but its never happened outside a test situation.

      I keep getting all these people telling me I should upgrade and be current with the times. I would gladly upgrade if the later stuff was actually better and more robust than the earlier stuff - but thats not what I see.

      Oh yes, the "presentation skills" are definitely better on the new stuff, but I see the new systems much like a stunningly beautiful secretary that I can't trust, and spends a helluva lot of time doing her makeup.

      I try to tell these business people what they are getting into by running software that hasn't been verified for trustworthiness, but they seem happy to go ahead and do it anyway as long as there is someone else to blame if things go amiss. I hoot till I'm blue in the face about these businessmen who put content on the web that can only be viewed with proprietary readers, whose underlying trojan motives, if any, can no longer be legally ascertained as a result of the DMCA.

      I am especially puzzled by business's perception of proper etiquette. Would they hire a sales rep that constantly interrupted a customer in mid-question with comments on his grammar or spelling? Or worse yet, rudely hangs up on customers if they don't understand something? Is not a corporate web-site their sales-rep in cyberspace? Why would a business hire such rude representatives that coin their own protocols and chide the customers relentlessly for not adhering to their latest incarnations of the communications protocol "standard"?

      At the risk of redundancy, I'll say it again. I do not like these proprietary unverifiable protocols. I consider them very risky - to me. I really don't care if YOU get hit with a virus, but I don't want any part of it.

      Ok.. I just had to get this off my chest. It might cost me a bit of karma, but I had to say it in public in the hopes that someone in management that makes the decisions will hear my plea.

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    3. Re:Feeling left out by Nucleon500 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm told it works in Wine.

    4. Re:Feeling left out by Steve+G+Swine · · Score: 5, Funny
      People who store pornography on their computers deserve to get their data wiped.
      And in some cases, their keyboards.
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    5. Re:Feeling left out by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Me too - none of my 3 windows machines (including the one at work) were affected at all :(.

    6. Re:Feeling left out by radish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I keep getting all these people telling me I should upgrade and be current with the times. I would gladly upgrade if the later stuff was actually better and more robust than the earlier stuff - but thats not what I see.

      Believe me, there are many things which are more robust than win95. Whilst your paranoia is your business, saying you run win95 because it's more stable than say, w2k, flies in the face of the evidence. And that's not even going into the realm of things like Linux/BSD, which I assume you can't run due to some CAD app or other.

      Let me give you an alternative view point. I run w2k, behind a linux firewall. I use a variety of browsers (IE6, Moz, Opera) with scripting, java etc enabled. The security settings are set to what I'd consider sensible but not paraniod. I run a standard virus scanner which kills anything incoming before I even see it. My email goes into Outlook. I use the web a lot. I go to sites which contain "suspect" material. I download and run exectuables from unverified sources. In short I do everything you're not supposed to, but with the benefit of knowing what's going on and understanding the risks (and how to mitigate them).

      Result? The last virus I found on my system was in the bootsector of an Atari ST floppy disk about 10 years ago. I run AdAware and other trojan detectors every week or so, never found anything particularly nasty (except some junk morpheus put in one time). In short, I get to see all those websites I want to, I get to run the latest software with all those whizzy features, and I still don't get any of the nasty side effects.

      So you're quite welcome to continue practising ultra-safe computing, but IMHO you really don't need to.

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  7. Ugh, lazy patchings by AEton · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The RPC vulnerability this worm exploits was patched at least three weeks ago. Maybe if people would get it through their skulls that Windows ships with a BIG WINDOWS UPDATE LINK in the Start Menu for a REASON, and maybe if people would at least check for new, fun things weekly, these viruses wouldn't spread quite so far. The news outlets that focus on the "horrific" damage instead of the easy fix are doing their subscribers a disservice.

    Besides, even if you don't care about security, you must at least admit it's fun to see a new "This vulnerability could allow an attacker to execute malicious code"-patch every week. I wonder what'll happen when Microsoft's numbering system overflows...

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    1. Re:Ugh, lazy patchings by Doppler00 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, I'm wondered why the heck RPC service is allowed to be exposed to the internet interface in the first place. There is absolutely no good reason for Microsoft to design it this way. Sure, I could understand it being useful for corporate networks, but to leave it on and not allow you to turn it off is ridiculous.

      This isn't so much about security as it is poor design on the part of microsoft leaving so many useless services exposed to the internet.

    2. Re:Ugh, lazy patchings by KshGoddess · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We were infected by someone dialing in to (of all places, MSN) and opening an *authorized* VPN tunnel to our network.

      Users will not patch their machines, even if there's a bright icon in their start menu. Even if it reminds you all the damn time. If it doesn't automagically download and install, they're not going to do it.

      Should they have to? No. No one should have to patch as often as they do. Especially not desktops. Home users, for the most part, are technically savvy enough to plug in a USB device and have it 'work'. Office users, forget about it. For the most part, people think computers are magic, and IT people are just weird to be able to understand them.

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    3. Re:Ugh, lazy patchings by Pompatus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree that everyone should at least check out windowsupdate.com every once in awhile, but I am always hesitant to update my windows box. Windows Media Player 9??? Don't need it, don't want DRM. What about SP1 deactivating xp installs with pirate serial numbers? I've had DirectX updates that actually crashed previously working games (not lately though, gotta say that's getting better).

      I like to wait to update my box for about a week or so to see if there is any outcry about some nasty thing Microsoft slips into the update. I'll bet I am not alone. As far as Blaster is concerned, I rely on independant firewall and antivirus applications to deal with these threats. IMHO it works better than relying on MS to secure their OS.

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    4. Re:Ugh, lazy patchings by spblat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe if people would get it through their skulls that Windows ships with a BIG WINDOWS UPDATE LINK in the Start Menu for a REASON...

      The problem is harder to solve than that.

      Consider a gigantic worldwide firm that runs flavors of Windows servers and desktops from NT up through Longhorn on thousands upon thousands of machines, in dozens of facilities across the globe. Then consider that many of these servers may be running mission critical applications which are no longer being maintained. As a result, there are complex and thorough change management procedures in place that prevent casual application of the latest patches and updates. For any given server they may a) require weeks to test the patch to make sure nothing comes down; b) find the patch breaks an application and therefore cannot be deployed; or c) have a total ban on even breathing on their older servers lest something break.

      This is why the "just patch your servers early and often" doesn't work for those larger companies. To the decision makers faced with evaluating business risk, the cost of staying up to the latest versions can seem as high (or higher) than the potential loss caused by a compromise.

      So the answer ends up being in your in-line protection: firewalls, and (as they improve) intrusion prevention technologies that offer "virtual patches" for exploits before they hit the wild.

      (Having said all this, if you have boxes with port 135 open to the public internet, you'd better have a good reason. And there aren't many good reasons.)

    5. Re:Ugh, lazy patchings by wfberg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Today I noticed that every morning our couple XP computers at work send out a few uPnP related packets to 239.255.255.250:1900. They're going beyond our lan and out through our gateway to the internet. It's probably not worth the effort to investigate further and correct, but it bugs me a little.

      Your network is misconfigure. 239.255.0.0/16 is a local scope multicast address. (RFC2365) The message sent is to let other uPNP devices know your computer is there.

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    6. Re:Ugh, lazy patchings by wfberg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're wondering why a REMOTE Procedure Call service is exposed to the network? There's no good reason for a REMOTE Procedure Call to be exposed to the network?

      127.0.0.1/16? sure! The LAN, (192.168.0.0/24 or 10.0.0.0/8, perhaps some Link-Local/Broadcast addresses..) perhaps. The entire INTERNET? No fudging way, man!

      Other MS weirdness; I have filesharing turned on. It's only associated with the LAN card's TCP/IP stack (NOT the PPTP (DSL) connection's TCP/IP stack). Nevertheless, were it not for my spiffy firewall software thingy you'd be able to access it from the internet! Yippee..

      --
      SCO employee? Check out the bounty
    7. Re:Ugh, lazy patchings by Elbereth · · Score: 2, Flamebait

      I really don't understand why some people have so many problems with Microsoft updates and patches. I don't. I'll admit that I keep my Windows PCs in as close to pristine state as possible. I learned a decade ago, back in the days of Windows 3.x, that you can't load a Windows PC down with software. Every time that you do, it crashes horribly.

      I try to keep the number of installed programs to a minimum, like say half a dozen, maybe a dozen.

      putty - to ssh into UNIX systems
      Mozilla - for web browsing
      Ad-Aware - in case spyware gets in somehow
      NetHack - to waste time
      CDex - to extract audio
      AIM - to talk to my friends
      Quicktime - to watch movie trailers on apple.com
      the latest iD game - to satisfy that FPS urge

      Beyond that, I might have three or four more commercial games installed (Diablo 2, Morrowind, etc).

      I can't imagine loading a Windows PC with anything more than that. You'd have to be insane. I can understand installing Office, if you have to. I can understand maybe installing a virus checker or an e-mail client, if you feel you need them. But I wouldn't. Too muany installed programs on a Windows PC means disaster.

      Minimalism, folks. It always saves the day.

    8. Re:Ugh, lazy patchings by julesh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I try to keep the number of installed programs to a minimum, like say half a dozen, maybe a dozen.

      Err, yeah, right. Let me count the apps that I absolutely *need* in order to do my job.

      Things from your list:
      * SSH client. Yep, agree with that one
      * Web browser / email client (one program)

      OK, that's two. What I also need:
      * Other web browsers, for compatibility testing
      * Graphics editor (for designing web sites)
      * Text editor (for editing web sites and programs)
      * Word processor (for writing letters & other
      documentation that'll need printing)
      * Spreadsheet (for doing occasional organisational
      tasks)
      * C++ compiler (for the obvious)
      * Java compiler (ditto)
      * Version control system front end
      * Various 'back end' admin systems for web sites
      that I manage
      * Antivirus software (I sometimes send compiled
      programs directly to clients; company policy is
      scan-before-send).
      * CD writing software

      OK, that's 13 absolute essentials. Then there are the things I'd find it hard to live without:

      * File sharing client. Currently only one although in the past I've used more than one at once.
      * Media players. Winamp, MS media player, Real One.
      * Productivity utilities: file compression, a fast image viewer, a task scheduler & reminder program
      * Video editing & conversion software in order to be able to stick my home videos onto VCD.
      * Things that I'm playing with. The odd piece of free-software-du-jour that I might find useful and have downloaded recently to see if its any good.

      That makes 24. It doesn't include any of my own projects (which probably adds a further 10 separate programs to that figure at any one time).

      And, I haven't had any problems with my Windows 2000 system since I installed it 9 months ago. I don't think I'm "insane". I'm just trying to use my computer as the tool that I want it to be.

  8. Re:And while you all get easy 5, funnies. by NanoGator · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Linux has its own problems. But you mod them -1 under the rug until the fsf site gets hax0red. troll but true. "

    That was true like a year or two ago, but since this has come up I've been amazed at how things have changed here. It's not that it's turning pro-Microsoft, but the "Everything Linux does is perfect" attitude has settled back down to realistic levels.

    I agree with you, though, Linux is a root password away from being ssh'd to hell.

    --
    "Derp de derp."
  9. Phew by tarquin_fim_bim · · Score: 4, Funny

    "All Kaspersky Labs products effectively detect both modifications of "Lovesan", without requiring an update."

    Guess they were just damned lucky there.

    1. Re:Phew by Satan's+Librarian · · Score: 2, Informative
      If past performance is any indication, it's because Kaspersky takes multiple strings from harder to modify areas and also supports wildcards - the guy who started it (Eugene Kaspersky) is a badass at assembler and has generally produced some of the best virus analysis in the industry. I use and recommend F-Secure, which uses a combination of his engine and Fridrik Skulason's for scanning - that way you get the advantage of having two sets of seperately picked virus signatures plus different heuristical scanning methods.

      Aside from a few stability issues that took them bloody forever to work out on 2K (BSOD's once a week for a few months on my box as a result) - it's been a great product for years. I've gotten to laugh at the people using McAfee's and Norton's several times and say 'I told you so' when they got hit

      Unfortunately - I think they have the price for the personal edition set too high, and can't market in the U.S. for shit.

  10. If we're lucky... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Funny


    If we're lucky the power will be out and the worms won't be able to carry out their attack.

    --
    Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    1. Re:If we're lucky... by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's right, Microsoft nuked the power station to offset the bad worm publicity.

      Damn, Slashdot needs a "+1 Paranoid" mod

      --
      Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
    2. Re:If we're lucky... by pmz · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's right, Microsoft nuked the power station to offset the bad worm publicity.

      Well, Bill Gates is already more powerful than any government leader in the world, so perhaps we shouldn't be suprised if he has also mastered lightning and other natural phenomena to do his bidding.

  11. The Internet is not Secure by blair1q · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How many times do people need to be told this?

    1. Re:The Internet is not Secure by insecuritiez · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is a blanket statement that has little truth to it. The internet is made of the computers that connect to it. Many computers that make the internet are not secure. A fully patched system, be it Linux, Unix, or Windows is for all intensive purposes, secure -- for the time being. What people don't get is that security is not a constant thing. It has to be kept up with. How many times do people need to be told to patch their system? But the model and structure of the internet as a decentralized system, is very secure.

  12. Let's see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    • FSF FTP site gets hacked. Some people are mined for passwords.
    • A significant proportion of all desktop machines on the internet are compromised by a self-propigating virus, and the internet is affected by the sheer quantity of traffic generated by the worm.
    I think there's a slight difference of scale there.
    1. Re:Let's see here by Frenchy_2001 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is also a difference of scale in the sheer number of computers running the infected software. Outside of /., what is the percentage of people running anything else than windows on their desktop? Moreover, what are the technical competencies of those people? M$ tried to make the update process as painless as possible through their windows update website, but it seems to me that it is STILL a failure. 300k+ computers already infected? I cant believe this is ONLY NT4 machines with no auto updates...

  13. Well some are safe from it... by 3seas · · Score: 5, Funny

    Those in the US north east and south east Canada.....

  14. MS Worm & Power Cuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    OK you'd have to be a cyber terrorism nut to believe the power blackouts were caused by the virus but some friends at Con-Ed have told me the virus isn't totally innocent, apparently the trouble ticketing / work management system some of the affected power companies are using is running on a load of windows servers and not all of them managed to get patched in time. So the recovery operation is being hampered a bit by the worm.
    And I thought those guys were just exagerrating things.

  15. News Flash by ReyTFox · · Score: 5, Funny

    SCO declares that it holds the copyrights to LoveSan and demands that all clones pay a $1500 licensing fee.

  16. Blaster.B and Blaster.C by SimplexO · · Score: 4, Informative
    This post is about what Symantec calls W32.Blaster.C.Worm. Don't forget that there is also a W32.Blaster.B.Worm.

    B:
    Adds the value: "windows auto update"="penis32.exe" to the registry key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Run so that the worm runs when you start Windows.


    C:
    Adds the value: "Microsoft Inet Xp.."="teekids.exe" to the registry key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Run so that the worm runs when you start Windows.


    The new C means that the scan that we use to get the original out of the registry has to be modified so we can find this C variant.
  17. Not as big of deal as you think by sgtsanity · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This uses the same vulnerability as before. Which means that if you were hit by but recovered from blaster, you'll be safe from this one. That said, this is a more virulent form, and will screw over unprotected networks even faster. But it won't be nearly as damaging as the original. This is just an example of an anti-virus software producer hyping up a virus to sell their product.

  18. bleh by Solikawa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think it's funny that I've had the patch since it's been out and almost everybody in the US doesn't have their boxes patched. It kinda pisses me off though, that M$ is not getting blamed for having the vulerability. Yes, nobody is perfect, I'm sure Linux and MacOS have exploits that can do the same things, except they don't make $498,324,059,872,309 a minute. The world needs to realise thats all bill wants to do: make money from idiots

    1. Re:bleh by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Honestly, that was a silly rant. What does making money have to do with it? Why do you suddenly end with a rant about what Bill wants to do, as if you know?

      I guess I'm just curious how this became "+4 Interesting." Yes, we know Microsoft tries to make money.

      Why should "M$" (that always-clever dollar sign that never stops being incredibly amusing and funny) take the blame for what you started out saying--people who don't patch their boxes are getting hit?

      --
      "Sufferin' succotash."
  19. MS Releases Network Scanning Tool by MacrosTheBlack · · Score: 5, Informative

    Microsoft have released a tool to scan your local network (or the whole net if u really wanted to).
    Download
    Network admins have fun.

  20. Re:And while you all get easy 5, funnies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Point taken, but badly stated. The FSF cracking incident was due to an application that runs on Linux, and does not ship with most Linux distributions--it has to be intentionally downloaded and installed.

    So are we going to start adding all securities in third-party apps that run on Windows to the "Windows vulnerability" list? That's crazy.

    Linux is a kernel, yes. But the fact that it's available in that form if that's all you want is an advantage, not a technicality. Try getting Windows without a GUI, or SMB.

  21. the average user reaction... by mraymer · · Score: 2, Interesting
    First, let me say that in Soviet Russia, the file sends YOU to have MY advice!

    Yeah that sucked. Anyway, I find it interesting to note the common public reactions to these outbreaks of exploits.

    For example, this link shows a CNN poll where "Doing Nothing" about the worm is tied with "already downloaded a patch" -- this is kind of interesting, since CNN would be a more "general user" audience than tech savvy folk here.

    I wonder why no one seems to really care about computer security until it hits them with data loss, or worse.

    Patches and backups are things people always promise to do "later" -- and, luckily for data recovery companies, later seldom comes.

    I'm sure many people here have done voluntary tech support for friends and family. What do you find to be the most frequent problems? Would you trace them to user negligence, or Microsoft software, or perhaps a combination of the two? Perhaps it's some other factor, such as the "dumbing-down" of computers by the media leading to common misconceptions?

    Sometimes, as reports of Windows exploits become a daily news item, I often wonder when people will, en masse, decide they've simply had enough and switch?

    --

    "To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit." -Stephen Hawking

    1. Re:the average user reaction... by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 5, Funny
      I'm sure many people here have done voluntary tech support for friends and family. What do you find to be the most frequent problems?

      Most common "problem" I have seen is that people do the following:

      1)Get a computer, with OS and some software installed

      2)Use the computer

      3)If buy commercial software, install it, hitting OK every time it appears

      4)If download arbitrary software from the net, install it, hitting OK every time it appears

      5) If computer seems sluggish or something seems wrong, do one or more of the following:

      • Go to the Program Files directory (of course it's Windows) and delete one or more directories containing programs you recall having installed recently
      • Hunt around the hard disk and delete things that don't look right
      • Buy software that supposedly fixes your system, and run it several times consecutively, choosing different options each time
      • Reboot
      • Re-install the operating system
      6) Go to 2)

      This algorithm is run continuously for several years.

  22. SCO announcement by thanjee · · Score: 3, Funny

    Lovsan is a proprietry product of SCO. All users who are running Lovsan on their computers without a lisense will face charges of $5,000.
    Lisensing fees start at $699 for home users.

    --
    Saying your OS is the best because more people use it is like saying MacDonalds make the best food
  23. a deep dark thought.... by ecalkin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    i was wondering about the motivations of the person(s) that wrote this. they seemed to have a mad-on against microsoft. what seemed weird was that if this had been a 'quiet' worm that spread, there would have been a lot more machines that were infected on dday. ms being hit by a large number of zombies and having to *beg* people to clean up their systems would have been pretty funny.

    i saw the news about the second (and third) versions and i just wondered if these (all three) we just a distraction. i wonder how many people looked for an awfully obvious process and if they did't see it, well, that was the end of the story?

    somethings smells here.

    eric

    1. Re: a deep dark thought.... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Interesting


      > i saw the news about the second (and third) versions and i just wondered if these (all three) we just a distraction. i wonder how many people looked for an awfully obvious process and if they did't see it, well, that was the end of the story? somethings smells here.

      I've always wondered whether someone planning a criminal break-in somewhere might not release a virus as a cover, so that the victim would shrug off any anomalies on their system as side effects of the virus, and think the virus fix was end-of-story.

      --
      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  24. Create a worm that patches the vulnerability? by Larthallor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm surprised someone doesn't write a worm to patch the vulnerability and clean the system, if already compromised. After all, if you don't mind leaving yourself open to attack by a malicious worm, how can you complain about getting repaired by one that is beneficial?

  25. Defeating MSBLAST.EXE and The Blaster Worm by nomadx · · Score: 2

    christ, right after i wander over to symantec's website to see what this thing really is. the few friends of mine that i've talked to about this, they told me it was some kind of security breaching attack against a system, and that msblast.exe is the program that a hacker can use to remotely control a pc, perhaps to host an ftp server or some other hoopla. then i received some distressful emails from the ITS department at my university, saying many of the computers have been infected but are now isolated in an attempt to control the spreading of this thing. then yesterday, i was at work and in the course of only three hours i had two people come up to me asking about antivirus software (i work in retail) - they were infected. i wasn't sure what to make of this new threat at that point, so i told them that norton may or may not be able to help. then when i got home and checked out what symantec had to say, all the documentation was already done on this new strain of worm. so it is, after all, a destructive worm that reproduces itself, no hacking involved. i read the whole thing, and then i read microsoft's security bulliten (which is more vague, the only important thing it has to say is that you need to patch your os and tells you where to get the patch). so it's simple. just patch your os, update virus defenitions. and run fixblast.exe courtesy of symantec. designed to remove any threat. i have already helped one person by personally removing the virus from her system by using that simple sweeping program, which simply scans your computer for the registry keys and msblast.exe and removes it if found. it was pathetically easy. and symantec's documentation backs me up on this; it is very easy to remove using their tool, not as easy but still not challenging to do it manually either (instructions are that are also available). today i received another email from ITS, a new strain is out, and all the computers on the network are preparing for a massive DOS attack against windowsupdate.microsoft.com (not sure if that address is correct, tell me if i'm wrong). how they know this or why someone would want to do something so completely insane with this worm is beyond me. the point being, it can easily be fixed, and thanks to dedicated teams like symantec, virus threats can be kept to a minimum in combination with prevention awareness.

  26. Exactly. by jpsowin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes, and notice that their anti-virus program detects both versions of the virus (the old and the "expectant" one) without even an UPDATE? Hmmmm... ;)

  27. Benevolent Virii by pavon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You know here's an cool idea, seeing as the biggest problem with virii is that people don't keep their systems up-to-date.

    When someone finds out about an exploit, they tell the company about it (aka MS) and give them time to come up with a patch. Then after sufficient time has passed for security concience people to patch their systems, a virus is released that takes advantage of the exploit to either inform the user that their system is vulnerable and that they should install the patch, or simply install the patch for them.

    Alot of times it seems to take a big attack for busy system admins to roll out a system wide update. I have talked to people whose work computers have been hit pretty hard by virii and I just wonder what would have happened had they been hit by a truely malicious virus, not just these annoying but easily recoverable ones. It scares me.

    1. Re:Benevolent Virii by Solikawa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yea, thats practical, but still you have the effecs of the worm taking up bandwidth, which can lead to trouble

    2. Re:Benevolent Virii by Trogre · · Score: 2, Informative
      --
      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
  28. culpability by negacao · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is getting extremely annoying - I'm still getting hits daily from Code Red & Nimda. I'd like to personally line up each person who hasn't patched thier system and slap them.

    Along with the idiots at microsoft who don't make updates for IIS available though windowsupdate. (in my experience, ymmv.) C'mon, it's shipped with the OS, you've got automatic updates on by default, so make them patch the goddamn webserver.

  29. Re:I hope this new version runs under WINE by ihummel · · Score: 4, Funny

    We at CodeWeavers are proud to announce our new product: Crossover Blaster. This new piece of software for the Linux operating system will provide the same quality that you've come to expect from Crossover Office, but this time with the very popular Blaster worm (known to some as LovSan). It will even work with clones of the worm.

    Finally, all the Linux users who have felt left out can participate in the reboot fun. It is a bargain for $50. See www.crossoverblaster.devnull for more details.


    Disclaimer: I do not work for CodeWeaver. My views are purely my own.

  30. Re:who came up with "lovesan"? by MacrosTheBlack · · Score: 2, Informative

    A text string in the virus says "love you san". There's also one having a go at "billy gates".

  31. Net slowdowns... by antdude · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This might be off-topic. I have a question on "Net slowdowns are expected over the weekend when both versions of the virus start their attack."

    Is this why slashdot.org feels slow/not responding and have missing images? All other Web sites seem fine. I noticed this at work, home, etc. with Mozilla v1.4.

    --
    Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
  32. Oh, it's not that bad! by jprupp · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey AV experts, just wait till the 17th to post a fix, please?, in the meantime, have fun, enjoy the beach, watch windowsupdate.com as it goes DoSed, what a wonderful life!. At last a virus that goes to the source of the problem. hehehe I think I'll get some Karma for saying this, well, some Karma is not too bad!.

    1. Re:Oh, it's not that bad! by abcxyz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually the DDOS attempt should have be to windowsupdate.microsoft.com. Windowsupdate.com is not the correct alias and currently does a redirect to the correct website. I suspect they will make sure that the DNS settings are modified so that any hits from the worm don't impact their website.

  33. We should be thankful for this worm by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Given the size of the vulnerability (all windows systems connected to the internet, regardless of whether you're running any applications), we should be thankful this worm came out so everyone will get out and patch their system.

    If this worm didn't exist, the systems would remain unpatched until some much more destructive exploit was distibuted (say, deleting all your files).

    Think of it as vaccination - a mild form to shore up our defenses, so a killer form doesn't get us.

    --
    It's not wasting time, I'm educating myself.
  34. Re:Great. Just great. by PhoenixK7 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is certainly evident that either Windows was not originally designed to be secure, or that those who coded it were fairly sloppy in implementing the design (perhaps a little of both).

    The fact that nobody patches their systems is an indication that the delivery method is flawed. It must be that the patching system has one or more of the following problems:

    1. Too complicated, or too flaky to make updates simple
    2. The importance of patching is not impressed on the user at install time
    3. Patches are too flaky to have automated installations done without even bugging the user

    The thing is, all of the above are true on some level. Windows update is flaky, patches don't always install properly. And on top of that it doesn't keep good track of what updates are installed. It doesn't check library versions, or versions of actually installed files, it checks some database that IT generates. Regarding the second point, its too damn easy to switch off automated updates altogether. No reason to bug the user more than once, but use some bold type in there noting that they could get r00ted and their files could magically disappear. The last point is valid as well. If I recall correctly a patch for a recent worm, in its original incarnation conflicted with another patch or broke certain pieces of software.

    I just don't understand why people put up with this. After you've lost as much money to downtime as it would cost to replace those windows boxen with some other solution (linux, mac os x, or anything else. this applies especially to systems where doing remote updates is easy and free. microsoft charges for tools to deploy plugs for all the holes in their operating system on a large scale. linux and mac os x updates can be performed via the command line, so you could script updates to network machines)

  35. Intranets being infected. by bruthasj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One major manufacturing facility in Taiwan that I work with had its internal network hit including control devices running on Windows NT. It probably caused between 1 to 2 million dollars in damage because of production delays.

    I had to stay up till 12am trying to figure what the crap was going on with my equipment when it was communicating with those stupid NT servers. We're running Redhat and I was sitting there using tcpdump trying to figure out what was wrong with the packets.

    It looks normal from the Redhat side, but you'll get no responses from the Application layer on the NT side. It must flood the send pipe in the TCP/IP socket layer on the NT side.

    WARNING: If you're running Linux in the Enterprise and you're interfacing NT, you'll be blamed first. Just know it ain't your fault.

  36. I am so sick of these amatures... by codepunk · · Score: 4, Funny

    Damn if you are going to write a worm make it do some damage. You back hats are really starting to bore the shit out of me.

    For instance take this worm and add the ability for it to seek the network for every single excel spread sheet it can find and randomly mix up a couple of cell values. Then have it set the access time back to the original.

    Hell just write a few bytes to a random location in any file you can access.

    Come on black hats, quit boring me!

    --


    Got Code?
    1. Re:I am so sick of these amatures... by Experiment+626 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Actually, I've wondered about this a lot. All the viruses you hear about tend to do really lame and boring things like reboot your computer or print out "$USERNAME is a doofus". Ooh, terrifying.

      There is so much potential for greater evil and mayhem...

      The data destroyer: Erase a bunch of files, wipe out the boot record, or just format the whole hard drive. People who keep their system unpatched also tend not to worry about backups.

      The hardware destroyer: Run CPUburn. Set the monitor to way-out-of-spec refresh rates and change around them faster than the monitor can handle. Flash update the periphrials with corrupted data.

      The insidious manipulator: Make small, subtle changes to numeric data in Excel and Access files. The kind that nobody is likely to notice for weeks.

      The mischevious troll: Much like the article mirror trolls with a couple words changed to something rude and uncouth, but on the infected computer's Word and text files. Imagine trying to explain to your client that you didn't _really_ type that epitath in your letter to them. Also, download some random porn and sprinkle it on the user's hard drive.

      But nooooo... the best these guys can come up with is "reboot the computer"? Blah!

  37. I used to work at an antivirus company. by morven2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While some companies in the AV industry have shown (ahem) questionable ethics in the past, I think it's stretching to say they WRITE the viruses, rather than just hype them.

    For one thing, there are plenty of idiots out there quite willing to write a virus for free.

    For another, if the viruses/worms/trojans were written by the AV firms, they'd be MUCH better. My co-workers and I would regularly discuss how one could, hypothetically, write the ultimate virus ... some of our ideas would have been quite evil indeed. And most of us were pretty good programmers.

    Contrast that with the true nature of most successful 'in the wild' viruses -- most of which aren't that well written ...

    1. Re:I used to work at an antivirus company. by lump · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One good reason to think that companies such as Symantec are genuine in their efforts against viruses is the fact that the fix for any given worm can usually be found - for free - on their site, along with info, links to patches, etc. NO purchase necessary.

      Sure, they are making money from all this, but that seems to be continuing without them having to be do anything sneaky.

      And can you imagine what it would do to them it they did start manufacturing viruses, and were found out?

      --
      Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, still exists.
    2. Re:I used to work at an antivirus company. by terbo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They dont write the viruses, they just support a platform that makes it easy for them to proliferate ...

      --
      If you're interested in facts I'll tell you what they are and I'll give you sources - Chomsky on The Big Idea
  38. Obligatory +5 SCO reference by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's getting a little too easy to randomly reference SCO in some way for a +5 Funny.

    Just my opinion. I'm tired of this same "joke" showing up in every article.

    --
    "Sufferin' succotash."
  39. The really sad thing about this. by mAineAc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What was it a month or two ago that Microsoft said they were going to start charging for updates? If they were to start doing that tomorrow Microsoft will become richer adn more powerful because every will remember this adn start paying for the updates because they don't want to see this happen to their system again. Very few people even realize there are other options out there for operating systems. I hope people start waking up soon.

  40. Re:And while you all get easy 5, funnies. by platipusrc · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is very easy to configure OpenSSH to not allow remote root login. 'PermitRootLogin no'. Newer versions of OpenSSH have that as a default, so you would have to actively allow root logon.

    --
    And the muscular cyborg German dudes dance with sexy French Canadians
  41. Is *nix that much more secure? by sanx · · Score: 5, Insightful
    OK - maybe this is a -5 Flamebait here, but here's a couple of my thoughts.

    The desktop world is ruled (by numbers, anyway) by Microsoft. Any potential malware s'kiddie can knock together some malware in a few hours, dump it into some unsuspecting newsgroup somewhere or email it to his Outlook-using mates and start an epidemic relatively easily. The sheer number of vulnerable machines makes that easy.

    The installed base of Windows boxes also means that, despite MS not opening up their code to anyone (except governments and universities willing to sign away their first-born as insurance against breaking the NDA), large numbers of people spend vast tracts of time throwing McValue Meal-sized URLs at web-servers and mutant packets at RPC interfaces.

    Lots of people x Lots of time x Lots of machines = lots of vulnerabilities found...

    Now consider *nix. It has a number of advantages straight off the block:

    1. It's open source. Code that finds its way into the kernel goes through the best peer-review system available; public scrutiny.
    2. Generally, the people who run *nix are more tech-savvy than an average Joe Blow.
    3. Any vulnerabilities that are found get acknowledged and fixed very quickly.
    But what would happen if *nix had the sort of desktop penetration that Windows does? How quickly would the kind of person that thinks a computer case is called a 'hard drive' apply a *nix security patch? If *nix was that popular, how many more people would devote vast tracts of time to finding obscure security holes and vulnerabilities?

    Just a thought. Now flame away ;)

  42. Left out? Try a Linux version :) by dark-br · · Score: 2, Funny
    All the Linux users (and *BSD for that matter) are walking around with a big smile on their lips days like this.

    To make this smile even bigger: Compile this and execute it as root (all ports below 1024 are restricted and needs root permission to be listened to)

    Now you can actually *see* when the worm tries it's futile attack on your superior OS.
    // begin mblaster_l.c

    #include <sys/types.h>
    #include <sys/socket.h>
    #include <netinet/in.h>
    #include <arpa/inet.h>
    #include <stdio.h>
    #include <string.h>
    #include <unistd.h>
    #define PORT 135

    int main()
    {
    int sock_f;
    struct sockaddr_in sockaddr_l;
    socklen_t len_s;
    struct sockaddr_in remote_a;
    char buffer[4096];
    int remote_p;

    sock_f=socket(AF_INET,SOCK_STREAM,0);
    if(sock_f2) { printf("Error: %s \n","Could not create socket"); return 1; }

    sockaddr_l.sin_family=AF_INET;
    sockaddr_l.sin_port=htons(PORT);
    sockaddr_l.sin_addr.s_addr=INADDR_ANY;
    memset(&sockaddr_l.sin_zero,0,8);
    if(bind(sock_f,(struct sockaddr*)&sockaddr_l,sizeof(struct sockaddr))==-1)
    { printf("Error: %s \n", "Could not bind socket"); return 1; }

    if(listen(sock_f,30)==-1) { printf("Error: %s \n", "Could not listen to socket"); return 1; }
    len_s=sizeof(struct sockaddr);
    while(1)
    {
    if((remote_p=accept(sock_f,(struct sockaddr*)&remote_a,&len_s))==-1) continue;
    if(recv(remote_p,&buffer,4096,0)==-1) continue;
    printf("Received data from %s \n",inet_ntoa(remote_a.sin_addr));
    printf("%s",buffer);
    close(remote_p);
    }
    } // end mblaster_l.c
  43. MSBlast attacks Friday MORNING by seattlenerd · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just in case others got misled by the general press reports: The MSBlast (and its two known variants) worm attack against WindowsUpdate.com will really start at 4 a.m. Pacific Friday (Redmond time). As noted in this News.com piece the widely-reported "midnight" is really "when a PC clock shows midnight" -- whenever Friday becomes Saturday, starting across the International Date Line in Anadyr, Russia. Set your TiVos accordingly, assuming you have power.

  44. Microsoft.com is down, as is Windowsupdate ! by mgpeter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I was updating a couple computers tonight, and at 10:20 Central Time, windows update worked great. At 10:30 windows update and microsoft.com website is unaccessible.

    Nothing, Nada.

    I guess in a weird sort of way, its ironic.

  45. Re:Simple security practices go a long way... by toddestan · · Score: 3, Funny

    The next step is to remake the Administrator account, except make it a basic user and give it no privileges at all. Then give it a really long random password. If someone ever tries to h4x0r the box, this one is guaranteed to keep the script kiddies busy for days!

  46. Massive Legal Ramifications in here by steveoc · · Score: 4, Funny

    There are massive legal rammifications to this.

    Firstly, the second strain of the virus is clearly derived from
    the first strain. This is blatant piracy, and a violation of the
    cherished IP of the original authors.

    The original author of the virus is now in a position to reap a windfall, by :
    - Suing the second author to the tune of $3Bn for having blatantly stolen their code.
    - Suing the thousands of owners of infected machines because they may be running pirated code in violation of the DMCA.
    - Offering infected users a $699 licence fee for running the derived virus, which will protect them from any further legal action.

    What the authors of the second, derived virus have done is abominable, and shows a callous disregard for the IP rights of the original authors. They are nothing but pirates, and a threat to the wholesome values of benign free-trade capitalism.

    -----------------------

  47. Re:Older folks & updates by harmanjd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well that and many home users are just barely computer literate and don't know how to update their computers. If they buy one that doesn't have the automatic update feature already turned on, then they have no idea how or where to get the updates. My parents got the worm mostly because they didn't know there were updates, and secondly they didn't know how to do the update.

  48. Gets funny indeed after so many times by billsf · · Score: 2, Funny

    Perhaps to not be redundant, most appear to view this as a comedy issue. Maybe all future Microsoft security issues, worms and trojans should be filed under the comic section?

    It is certainly redundant to state the simple solution is to abandon all Microsoft products. There must be hundreds of exploits 'widely known among hackers' but not known to Microsoft and/or published. Any 'hacker' worth his salt can get into any NT type server with a minimal effort and can certainly get to clients and install servers. The truth of he matter is us old hacks are really bored with Microsoft.

  49. A little late by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Symantec lists *three* versions on their web site. One of which has its executable named penis32.exe (the B worm uses penis32.exe and the C worm uses teekids.exe)

    Source: http://www.sarc.com

    --

    LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
  50. Poorly Written Worm? by MrIcee · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Yesterday we received a call from our COLO who said he was monitoring unusual activity on our SUN servers. He said we were getting constant port scans solid for the last 12 hours.

    I asked if he could determine where the scans were coming from and he said that this was unusual and he was looking into it. He pointed out that there was no damage being done, but was curious as to who would be doing 12 hours of constant port scanning.

    After an hour he called back and said that the scans were coming from just about everywhere, and that they were scanning only the port used by the Worm. His conclusion (and mine as well) was that a fault in the random number generation method used by the worm caused it to pick our Class C address block more than other ones, and thus we were getting the scans.

    No damage is being done... so I guess we merely wait until (hahahahah) all these lusers patch their systems - but really, can the script kiddies out there PLEASE learn how to write GOOD code before releasing their worms? (or did this come straight out of microsoft labs itself - seems their typical crap coding style).

    Perhaps they should have used the SGI LAVA RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR.

  51. SYN flood unlikely.... by yomamasbooty · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We played with the worm at work in order to try and limit its damage. We found (like a lot of other companies) that if we poisoned our internal DNS by returning a null value for a DNS query for 'windowsupdate.com' that the worm stays in its propagation mode, and does not enable the SYN flood mode.

    If you do a lookup on 'windowsupdate.com' today you'll notice there is no A record entry. So the magnitude of the coming SYN flood will be minimal. Granted there may be some hosts out there with the entry cached, but their effect should be minimal. Although I would have loved to see MicroSoft get blasted this weekend (and next week when all the returning people turn on their infected workstations at work), I really did not want to see our WAN links and firewalls get flooded.

    I don't know about anyone else, but MicroSoft's help on this from a corporate standpint was piss poor. I am a security engineer in a Fortune 100 company with 30,000+ employees. Despite all the millions we blow on M$ products every year, we were unable to get a dedicated M$ resource for this event. Any questions we had were forwarded to a "representative", and answered hours later with the answer usually being "patch your boxes". Gee thanks for the obvious answer M$, now how about some guidance from a holistic standpoint. They were unable to share any real analysis of their exploit, or what to expect. I can only imagine what little help smaller companies, and consumers received.

    M$, take note: If you are going to produce the most easily exploitable code on the planet, then you better damn well get a dedicated security staff and make them available for events like these. Especially for large companies that have been fooled into thinking that M$ products are "enterprise ready" and that patch management for their is a no brainer. Since things only seem to be getting worse for you (and the rest of us), I would also suggest you ramp up on the number of resources you make available. It's time to get serious.

    One other interesting point is that although the SYN flood has been averted, the worm author was still successful in DoS windowsupdate.com by forcing them to take it down. It will be interesting to see how long the DNS entry is missing. Knowing how ineffective patching is I don't expect to see 'windowsupdate.com' anytime soon.