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GTK+ TTY Port
An anonymous reader writes: "FootNotes is reporting about what might be the coolest thing since textmode Quake: a curses-based GTK-2.0 port called Cursed GTK. This not only makes it possible to give Gnome the look and feel of Contiki, but also brings many real opportunities, such as remote logins where X forwarding is not possible, or remote logins over very slow modem lines. Screenshots here, here, here and here! Patches for bugs are welcomed by the authors."
How I'm supposed to run gimp with this thing?
Wasn't a similar thing with Qt an April fools joke a few months back?
You forgot to mention how great this will be for slow computers with low ram. I can't wait to try this out on my P1!
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Wow.
Here I was thinking that it was utterly impossible to make the GTK file dialogue worse than it already was.
Zemljanka, I bow before you in humility!
Perhaps for bandwidth preservation? Of course, then why use text-GUI if you've got CLI?
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Here I go, feeding the trolls again.... Perhaps this brings many real opportunities, such as remote logins where X forwarding is not possible, or remote logins over very slow modem lines.
I realize this is all about geekiness factor, but how do they handle these :
:-)
- Widget alignments when whatever widgets you align don't fall exactly on their equivalent ascii places?
- GDK pixmaps : do they use AAlib to render them?
Alright, I'm off to recompile X-Chat. If it actually turns out good in ascii, nobody will be able to give me crap on IRC because I don't use 1337 BitchX
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
I won't have to bring up X to edit photos in the Gimp!
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The screenshots look awful like the good old Turbo Pascal (circa 1990 or so) text-mode GUI library. Which was a fine library, at least IMHO. However, does the word, ahem, "creative" mean anything anymore?
Wow, being able to do remote-desktop over slow connections sounds cool, I'm having a lot of trouble using vnc over modem to fix mom's pc every time :P
The IT section color scheme sucks.
Remote logins in the absense of an X server have been possible forever. This novelty hack did not bring many real opportunities as the submitter claimed it did.
-- Fighting mediocrity one bad post at a time.
Even better, I wrote aavga2 to run Quake2 on aalib!
Now that Gtk+ is moving to TTY as well, maybe I can get rid of X entirely? *grin*
Hardware, software, and blinking lights!
Back in the minicomputer days, WordPerfect corporation created a reasonable port of WP onto the VAX/VMS environment. It supported a number of terminals, many of which were text-only.
Mind you, this was in the days of DOS WordPerfect dominance, WPWin was relatively new.
But the coolest thing was graphics mode for non-graphics terminals. They abused the font download capabilities of the VT220-series terminals that were the standard for the day to create 'mosaics'. Decent pictures of bitmaps could be created. I could recognize B&W bitmaps pretty well. Lousy for pr0n, but good enough that a letter-writing system we set up had recognizable signatures.
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For a character base port of javax/swing...
a rva1.png
see charva: http://www.pitman.co.za/projects/charva/
screenshot: http://www.pitman.co.za/projects/charva/images/ch
I really like high resolution frame buffer consoles, much more than any X session at the equivalent resolution. I like X, but not for consoles where I do text editing.
-fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
*sigh*
make it easier to write text based terminals.
Try to think laterally. Not everyone uses computers on the desktop like you.
There still need for text based terminals (embedded devices for example) and this will
BTW, java has a has a text based swing (search for Charva).
Borland had something like this in their DOS-based IDEs (Borland C++, Turbo Pascal, etc) back in the 80s.
Very cool for the time, supported dragging, resizing, iconifying windows, even pseudo 3-D buttons and "shadows" underneath windows.
-- Samir Gupta, Ph. D. Head, New Technology Research Group, Nintendo Co. Ltd., Kyoto, Japan.
This was actually an April Fools some time ago, but with QT.
1992 called, and they want their GUI back!
Well, for the hack value I suppose.
However, the utility of non-command oriented text interfaces is pretty well established. There is, of course, the venerable curses; pretty sophisticated non command text interfaces were the norm on MS-DOS in the pre-windows days. These often featured mouse input, which combined with text display is enough for a wide variety of applications. Don't know if this GTK supports mouse inputs. From the screenshots I'd guess not which somewhat limits its utility.
As an example of a non-command oriented text interface in common use today, look no farther than your BIOS setup program.
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This looks like VNC that's been merged with screen. screen was a great text-based virtual login back in the day, and is still useful when latency is too high for VNC. However, it's still a pain to use. :)
With GTK++ TTY mode, you could have a virtual text-based desktop capable of controlling (via mouse) any thing you'd want without opening many virtual screens.
Why, except for a pathetic fetish for obsolete technology, would you want to use a text-based interface to your X-Server?
If you are stuck with 56k, I can see this being very handy, very very handy! While yes we have faster then dialup connections, they are not all available from everywhere. Also, if you are with an ISP that bills based on byte use, I can see this as being most excelent.
Also... if you are stuck in the Windows world, Xservers can be damn costly. Starnet for example charges $245 for their X-server. I assume since it can operate via TTY that it can also operate via ssh/telnet.
Lastly, the more complex you make the plumbing, the easier it is to stuff up the drain. One thing nice about pathetic obsolete terminals is the fact that they work, they always work. The server may go down, but you know full well that ye' old terminal isn't very likely to fail. They don't need upgrades, patches, and in them selves can't get a worm/virus.
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But it isn't clear to me what advantages this will have over a pure text based browser.
Am I the only one who think it looks like Xtree gold on DOS?
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> I really like high resolution frame buffer consoles, much more than any X session at the equivalent resolution.
> I like X, but not for consoles where I do text editing.
Why not just use X with a minimalistic wm and maximized xterms? An accelerated X server is usually much faster than a vesa framebuffer. Besides, I've never found out how to get a higher refresh rate than 60hz on a framebuffer.
Now I can have a text mode file dialog that loses my default file name too.
Alex, I'll take keybindings not used by Emacs for $400....
bah, don't know wtf happened to my post.
Here it is again:
There is still a need for text based terminals (in embedded devices for example) and this will make it easier to write the interfaces for those terminals.
Router manufacturers, for example, could support a text based gtk+ interface in addition to the standard command line interface.
I can imagine plenty of other uses...
this will make system maintenance across ssh so much easier for chumps who don't know how to use CLI commands.
:)
hell, even I'd use it
The reason girls and Windows users don't understand UNIX is because all the documentation is in Man files.
It's interesting that once the flashy grapics is stripped away, today's user interface looks (and functions?) basically the same as yesterdays. Perhaps much of what we call 'advances in user interface' is just eye candy, or am I being deceived by appearances?
this is very handy, alhough I wonder how well it scales beyond 25x80...
this could also be very useful as a standalone X-less toolkit (a la Qt Embedded). RedHat (and some other distros) could really use a cleaner console widget toolkit... The one they use now (for system tools, etc) works like crap.
OTOH, I wonder what kind of resources it uses.
hmmm might have to try this out.
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That link to contiki had some really cool screenshots, but they were for C64 only. Does anyone know if there's something like this for windows?
Your problem is probably beetween the chair and your keyboard.
This isn't going to be of much use unless app developers of common gtk apps actually test it - it may work fine for the Gtk demo app but (speaking from experience as a developer at a mid-size company that ships a GTK UI) real GTK apps often abuse GTK to get around window manager incompatibilities, resize and widget placement restrictions, etc., and developers, OSS or otherwise, aren't going to verify that their crazy hacks actually work on the TTY port. This is exactly why the Windows GTK port sucks in real life even though in theory it should work just like GTK on X.
What the crafriggiap are you talking about? You just spouted a bunch of nonsense! Nonsense troll! SMP has nothing to do with frame buffer has nothing to do with GART API (what the crap??) has nothing to do with GTK+ has nothing to do with ncurses!
Move along folks. This one's just plain pathetic.
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>Important note: Patches are welcome! Bugreports without patches send directly to /dev/null :)
What's the deal with that? If you find a bug, and you can't write code, they don't even want to know the bug exists?
I used WP5.1+ for VMS for several years. Being on a campus of only vt100 terms made us do all kinds of interesting things to get The Job done.
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Starnet for example charges $245 for their X-server.
On the other hand, Xfree86 on Cygwin is free - as in beer and as in Xfree license.
I actualy like the GTK+ file selector. it's very powerfull, and I like that it makes traversing the direcotry tree easy. Apple liked it enough to steal it and pretty it up in Aqua, so I don't know why people gripe about it.
That which is done from love exists beyond good and evil
TUI is very useful to write system utilites which needn't graphics at all.
It was called TurboVision. A user-maintained fork still exists and has been ported to various platforms and compilers including gcc and Linux.
Its key difference from the text-based GTK+ is that it was a text-based library only. There was no graphical implementation of the same API.
On a serious note, is it GPM sensitive?
Less is more !
Try to think laterally. Not everyone uses computers on the desktop like you.
"Try to think outside your box."
Or perhaps you mean vertically?
"Try to think below your box. Waaaaay below."
It's in XP. Probably 2k as well.
Here is the thing---
The CLI is generally designed around scripting and system administration for professionals. The GUI tends to focus around general productivity and interactivity.
This still had limited power for many things, but it still has many uses and may help make administrating a Linux system easier for the beginner.
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Forget GIMP, I want GNOME for TTY!
The only real stumbling block is, how do you draw a "gnome foot" with only text?
Now would the wxWindows GTK port link with this? If so then I could bring all my wxWindows apps to terminal access... that would actually be quite usefull, all those little utils I wrote from any system I control...
Just a sec, I have a text terminal that I was working on a few days back... I suddenly have an urge to redouble my efforts on that. Heh.
And for those who are complaining about how this is a total waste of time, and this person could have been more productive elsewise: You didn't pay them to do this, and your money would not pay them if they were, eg..., fixing the file dialog as many complained about.
This is one of the nice things about coding open source: If you want to, you can try to code it. It can be totally useless, but that is not a reason to stop trying. Usefullness is not a deciding factor for everyone out there.
Anyway...
On Arrakis: early worm gets the bird. Magister mundi sum!
Is that former Triumph guitarist Rik Emmet on the desktop wallpaper?
Does it support themes? :)
but also brings many real opportunities, such as remote logins where X forwarding is not possible, or remote logins over very slow modem lines.
"They say travel broadens the mind, so I went over the falls in a barrel." -Thomas Dolby
I wonder if the orginal poster would swap a XFree install for some beer?
Mmmmm Beer.
Wow, I should not post when knackered.
I wonder if it works with wxWindows and
in particular with wxPythonGTK which I'm into
these days. If so it would be pretty cool to
have the same application work on MS Windows, regular GTK and TTY GTK.
Man I miss the ASCII days :) I used to hack at Maximus, Gecho, and Frontdoor to get my system to look really cool over a modem before the internet came along and changed things. Though it was interesting to see some of my friends try to exist in the same manner through TCPIP instead of a dialup session to someones computer. I rather just moved on to HTML and did cool things there though I never got as serious about it as I was with BBS software when I was a kid.
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or maybe something a little simpler, like:
G
The obvious way to do a GNOME foot with only text is to try to draw a G with an umlaut sign over it (U+0047 U+0308), but because character-cell terminals generally don't support many composed characters, the GNOME port will probably use alternate text like [GNOME].
Will I retire or break 10K?
Hey... I've never really heard of this aalib stuff before, and I followed a bunch of links to a site for MPlayer, and it was playing DVD's in ascii...
Is there any players for win32 that will play using the aalib codec?? I would love to see this in action, but don't have linux installed on my laptop!
Help??
Don't like the direction? Fork it!
-uso.
Or, if you don't want to do anything but gripe, Fork You!
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Does this thing nest? Can I run a gnome terminal window inside it, and then run gtk+ in that terminal?
I find this exciting for quite a specific reason: cut and paste within the comand line. I like to run framebuffer rather than X because my machine is quite old (k6 with 256MB) and I still don't think X has evolved to be command-key friendly enough yet (although the recent releases of gnome are very close). When I use my computer, it tends to be an exercise in managing multiple command lines rather than running any windowy applications beyond firebird.
... I tried to learn it once but remember it being very awkward. I've also tried to pick up emacs for the shell but fiound that to be klunky and the terminal definitions primitive. Vim has a terminal program for it and suffers the same problems.
Anyway - the problem I have with the framebuffer is a lack of decent cut and paste support. It's sort of available in screen
But with GKT+ under framebuffer, I should be able to run gnome-terminal in a vt, and with that have access to a clipboard! I hope it's easy to navigate around for selecting text and the like.
Believe with me, my saplings.
Here I was thinking that it was utterly impossible to make the GTK file dialogue worse than it already was.
I have to ask what you think is wrong with it. It's got a nice little tree, tab completion, multiple M$ style shift key first to last list and CTRL key for individual inclusion, tab completion and three obvious, text labled buttons for rational tasks, rename delete and directory creation. It's fast and does what it should, what more can you ask for? I kicks M$ ass, and works on devices small and large.
My curse on you is that you be forced to WinCE on a keyboardless device until you beg for a CLI and know the true value of what you now despise. Eat your own dog-food, astroturfer!
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Considering the fact that the interface is all text, TTS would be nice for blind people. On X start up, depending on what XDM is used, you would get something like, "My box, login, name, password, Using every normal program, email client (Balsa), web browser (Galleon) would all be much easier, especially with tool tips enabled. Compare that to Microsoft's Accesability options! Rock on GNOME!
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Don't dig up that Apple II from the dump though - it is still 32bit Linux...
Oh well, what the hell...
The GTK file dialog is bad for several reasons.
/tmp would not go amiss.
Number one, shortcut navigation buttons do not exist. Typing ~/ only might take me to my home directory, it also might select the current directory (this seems to vary). A button would go a long way. An extra button for
A related problem is that the "location" pulldown does not allow typing. I must type full paths rather than modifying existing ones. Yes I could use relative paths in the input box, but this is hardly intuitive for the majority and often not convenient.
While I'm at it, there's no guarantee of a way to create a new directory while browsing with a GTK dialog. I don't care how it's done, but this is a useful feature. Some GTK file dialogs have it... some just don't.
The text-labeled buttons you describe are ugly.
I cannot view file size or meta information inline. It's annoying to pop up a terminal for this purpose.
Most of the time the file dialog is not resizable, confining me to a tiny viewable area.
I cannot sort the viewable area by different things. I can only sometimes successfully use shell-style patterns to liit the file listing.
It might be nice if I could drag and drop files to move them into subdirecories.
These problems should all be solved at the toolkit level. Some GNOME developers have said that they are waiting for a toolkit solution.
A lot about the GTK dialogs makes sense, like tab completion (even though this technically breaks a function that is considered "normal" throughout the windows/macintosh (and now KDE) worlds). You just can't call it good. It's passably functional at best.
I want my Cowboyneal
I agree that text-mode can be very handy in some circumstances, but I think that more research should be devoted to improve X. I was a mlview-dxpc supporter and now I use NX, that has superseded the old project (http://www.nomachine.com). I can run GNOME from home, connected to my computer at office through an old 28.8 pcmcia modem. Here are some statistics:
s ion.php).
The client for Windows includes an X server based on the Cygwin port of XFree86. It is slower than many commercial X servers for Win32 I tried in the past, but it's free and quite "standard".
1019 B/s average, 1966 B/s 5s, 1050 B/s 30s, 2954 B/s maximum.
NX Compression Summary
link: MODEM with protocol compression enabled.
images: 22097472 bytes (21580 KB) packed to 2431560 (2375 KB).
Images compression ratio is 9.088:1.
overall: 25101152 bytes (24513 KB) in, 448863 bytes (438 KB) out.
Overall NX server compression ratio is 55.922:1.
NX is a free client+commercial server. Server is very cheap, compared to Citrix and uses X-Window as underlying protocol. Server compresses the X traffic down to the client to an extent that you never thought it was possible. The compression and X stuff are GPL while some parts are closed source. I don't care much, as the alternative would be MS+Citrix. There is a document explaining how compression is working (http://www.nomachine.com/doc_NX-XProtocolCompres
GTK+ 2.4 will have a new file dialog. They didn't show any shots of it, but the new API is already documented. It will be ready for GNOME 2.6 (or they hope, at least).
It has the same miserable file selector dialog as the X11 version! Won't those monkeys ever realize what a barrier to adoption that thing is? It was behind the times they moment they wrote it.
Indeed. A new file selector is in the works. In the meantime, discover the nice tab-completion feature. While I certainly agree there is room for improvement and definitely wouldn't suggest the file selector to my grandmother, I save/open files faster with the GTK dialog than any other I've used.
How did you get this through the "lameness filter". Don't get me wrong--I don't think your ASCII Gnome foot is lame, I think it's cool. I'm just curious--most ASCII art things get rejected by the filter.
Furry cows moo and decompress.
I have to ask what you think is wrong with it.
Fair enough. It's too basic.
I pretty much only use it for Gimp. Here's the biggest beef:
It has no method to quickly navigate directories. Depending on what I'm editing (print-quality photos, web graphics, the family album, etc) I'd like to quickly switch between directories. Now, what happens:
I load Gimp, open the file dialog, navigate to my images directory (slow, even with command-completion), then load the image. After editing, I want to save the resulting image to another folder, so I then go back to the file dialoge, and do the same damn thing again.
Then I have a second (and a third, and fourth - frequently between 50 to 100) image to edit, so I have to do the same thing all over again. For each one.
It's tedious, and completely uneccesary.
Try the KDE dialog for comparison. You navigate ONCE to the folder you want to use, and then bookmark it. Same for saving. The next time you open your app, you click once to be taken to the folder you need.
When dealing with tons of files, this saves TON of time.
It's fast
"fast" is relative. It's "fast" if you're talking display time. But spend any amount of time with it, and you'll hate it as much as I do.
does what it should
No, it most certainly doesn't. A file dialog should make life easier for the user. It should make switching to frequently used directories simple. GTK doesn't.
I kicks M$ ass
What's your point? I'm probably better at ice skating than the best hockey player in Kenya. Does that mean there's no room for improvement in my skills?
My curse on you is that you be forced to WinCE on a keyboardless de
My curse on you is that you acutally gain some perspective.
Yeah, but can I get font antialiasing with that? :)
It has no method to quickly navigate directories. Depending on what I'm editing (print-quality photos, web graphics, the family album, etc) I'd like to quickly switch between directories. Now, what happens: I load Gimp, open the file dialog, navigate to my images directory (slow, even with command-completion), then load the image. After editing, I want to save the resulting image to another folder, so I then go back to the file dialoge, and do the same damn thing again.
First, use multiple instances of your programs and real file browsers to drag and drop. This is the easiest step of all. Run multiple coppies of GIMP, each from a shell in the directory you want to work. This way, the dialog box will be defaulted to where you want to be. Next, use the drag and drop capabilities of GMC, Nautulis or KDE's file browser. If you try to use bookmarks, you will quickly be overwhelmed by too many of them. Depending on what window manager you are using, one or more of these should work. SSH X11 forwarding currenly works to move clipboard contents accross different computers on a network, I'll bet it can or will soon be able to drag and drop files the same way. How's that for spanning directories fast? Use multiple file viewers, of course, for place keeping as well as multiple versions spawns of GIMP.
Next, try more appropriate programs for viewing and batch manipulation. Eye of Gnome and Gqview are excellent programs for viewing and moving multiple files. For batch manipulation, use Image Magic's convert utility. It's a front end to lower level utilities that resample, rotate, convert file types and more. "man convert" is informative and contains examples of usefull stuff. Use igal to make quicky web pages. Between that and a simple shell script to feed multiple directories, your days of waiting for dialogs are over. You won't get around the time your computer takes to manipulate the images, but you will save loads of clicky clicky GIMP time.
Right rotates are a typical example. I use gqview to select and move all picutes that need to be rotated right and left to seperate directories. The CTRL key selections also work in gqview's thumbnail screen. Selecting them is as easy as looking hoding the ctrl key and a mouse button. Moving them is as eay as right clicking the mouse, selecting "move" from the pulldown menu and creating the new directory withing the directory you are in. You did remember to start gqview from a shell in the directory with pictures to manipulate? That way the right directory will always be the default. Next I run the following script to rotate all those pictures:
count=1
while [ -n "$*" ]
do
convert -rotate 90 $1 $1
shift
count=`expr $count + 1`
done
I named it "rr" issuing ~/home/me/bin/rr dir_1 dir_2 dir_3 does the directories. Other common convert commands can be substituted for each and every batch job you may have.
A similar script can be used to call igal for many directories and thus generate thumbnails, an index and an html page for eveery photo in every directory listed.
Happy editing and don't try the above in windoze!
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I thought the tubroPascal (and turboC++, which my school still uses, and i like) had a very good GUI... Since the code was GPLed (turbovision) why hasn't someone made a linux gui that uses it?!
has been less than stellar. It runs like a dog (CPU-wise) as it lacks acceleration, and it seems slow even over 10/100mbit ethernet.
It's nice, I guess. But what Exceed and Reflection and Starnet let you do which I can't figure out in cygwin is nice is use Win32 window decorations by running it rootless, which really helps since that's how I tend to run most of my session on unix boxes too (remote X windows, not XDMCP). I don't want it taking over my screen, or relying on any local cygwin binaries to provide the windowing environment (even slower).
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I liked the AmigaOS style asl.library / arq.library..
A system library which contained the standard file requester, most system-friendly apps used the library, there were different versions of the library depending on wether you wanted speed, flexibility, low memory usage, pretty graphics etc, and your apps used whichever version you had installed... If you didnt like the default, you could always go and install a third party version.
And thus we have a modular system, which promotes freedom of choice, while maintaining compatibility and offering reasonable defaults.
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"This is seriously, extremely perverse. I'm impressed."
"This is quite possibly the most inherently wrong thing in the world today."
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"I would need serious tylenol 3's after playing this for more than 2 seconds. My eyes are still hurting from looking at it!"
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"gimp-console" is console based app thats not gtk dependent useful for running script-fu and other scripts, this should make "gimp" start faster since it would not be needed to start all the plugins as they would handled by gimp-console. you can a see a mention about it here also see ftcameron's flamingtext and cooltext have been using "gimp --console" from a very long time.
I got a patch. here it is:
rm -rf gtk-curses
I have to ask what you think is wrong with it. It's got a nice little tree, tab completion, multiple M$ style shift key first to last list
I was going to ask what dialogue you were talking about, because the GTK FileOpen box I know of is nothing like what you describe.
However now I see that the latest GTK has a halfway decent box, nothing like the piece of trash installed with Redhat 9 for example.
Just to clarify, do everything on the command line using the GPLed stuff, running a remote GUI session over a modem. It's only the GUI interface to this functionality which is non-free.
perl -e 'fork||print for split//,"hahahaha"'
>Why not just use X with a minimalistic wm and
>maximized xterms?
There are qualities to the native console that I prefer. The keyboard map is the same but the behavior is slightly different.
Actually the FrameBuffer is a compromise. On systems that svgatextmode support, I prefer that.
What's really annoying is that I can't get the equivalent console under Windows2000. And I really want it.
-fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
This is like the dog walking on its hind legs.
It's not that it's done well,
It's that it's done at all.
Except far less entertaining...
"Information wants to be paid"
I'd say quite the opposite. As an sysadmin that does much administrative stuff on a server in another city, through ssh, i welcome this addition.
I see it as quite pointless installing X on a server w/o monitor etc. but this enables configuration tools to be written that looks good in X but works w/o as well.
Shouldn't this be on dead^H^H^H^Hfreshmeat?
/. it should be where it belongs.
This has very little importance to be on
Why, except for a pathetic fetish for obsolete technology, would you want to use a text-based interface to your X-Server?
Perhaps for bandwidth preservation? Of course, then why use text-GUI if you've got CLI?
Here's a scenario: you've been asked to develop a new stock management system for a retail chain. They have TTYs in their warehouses left over from previous systems, they have Windows boxes on their execs desks and in stores, and they're interested in saving money by deploying Linux boxes in the stores instead.
Now you can develop *one* GTK app, and deploy it everywhere, cheap. I think that's pretty neat.
How much better is it than LBX?
the webshite says:
Requirements/dependencies:
To install RPM/DEB packages: ncurses + gpm
I'd imagine that's because it uses gpm for mouse input
Cheers & God bless
Sam "SammyTheSnake" Penny
Cursed GTK+ is not "a text-based interface to your X-Server." It cuts X out of the picture completely. This is "a text-based interface to your X-Server." Are you disgusted now?
The comment about this enabling remote login is incorrect. What this enables is executing GTK-based apps over a remote login that has already been established (e.g. via ssh, rlogin or telnet). Of course, ssh already allows X-protocol forwarding, but that might be too heavyweight for your remote connection, depending on what kind of bandwidth you have available...
Think of the infamous Vigor. It was not an April Fool's joke thought but a cartoon from Userfriendly.org
Singularity: a belief in the "God" idea with the "demiurge" relation inverted.
some one put a curse on GTK :-)
in my life God comes first.... but Linux is pretty high after that
Francis Smit
I can easily say that there is not comparison between the two. I know it's difficult to believe. A lot of people to whom I spoke about the project were hesitant, especially because of the commercial stuff. That happened until they tried themselves. At least for myself, NX did put a different light on what X can do.
Didn't see this one mentioned.
Assuming that the runtime requirements can be made small enough, this would be an ideal way to rewrite the long-suffering FreeBSD systinsall! (and others)
Good. I'll have to give it a try some time. I've never tried LBX either, usually opting for remote text logins.
Now you can develop *one* GTK app, and deploy it everywhere, cheap. I think that's pretty neat.
I think it is very cool. I've actually thought about creating something like this myself (though never gave it any serious thought). I'm one of those guys who misses the days when everything was text mode and user interfaces were lightning quick.
This gives more value to the GTK+ toolkit and gives people more incentive to use it. I hope we start seeing a lot of TTY ports. Personally, I'd like to see a TTY version of Evolution.
Try this new file selector patch for GTK+ 2.2.2. It has shortcut navigation buttons, the location box allows typing, and you can see metadata like file icon, file type, size and date.
Nope I had not, so I just did. I tried the version in Debian stable but did not see the rotate button, nor did I see it in any dialog or the homepage. You would think it would be a trivial call, but it's just not there. It could be that the designers don't want to make the thing too big or too dependent on other libraries. I prefer gqview because you can drop the thumbnail views if you want. This makes it very fast.
Rotation, of course, was just one example of batch work. I expect most of the useful and common manipulations will make it to a right click menu in gqview and other viewer programs.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
CLI and text-mode interfaces are independent concepts.
There have been a number of graphical CLI interfaces in the past. That is, you type commands, get results back, and occasionally use the mouse to select something. It's a graphical user interface, it's just completely different from the "menus and mouse" stuff you are thinking off. People use CLIs, either of the text mode or of the graphical variety, because they are by far the most effective way of interacting with computers for anything complex: database searches, distributed systems administration, symbolic math, numerical math, software testing, simulations, etc.
People use ASCII or text-mode interfaces for bandwidth reasons or because they have lots of text-only hardware installed. Text terminals may be "obsolete", but they are cheap, very reliable, and very widely deployed. Many text mode interfaces are mouse based and, except for the somewhat clunky looking appearance, work just like interfaces on bitmapped displays.
I was a mlview-dxpc supporter and now I use NX, that has superseded the old project (http://www.nomachine.com).
DXPC is a simple, open source proxy that works just about everywhere, and works pretty well. NX may be a pretty nice commercial product, but in what way does it "supersede" NX?