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GNOPPIX: Bootable GNOME CD
ubiquitin writes "While KNOPPIX has been around for some time, the GNOPPIX project has only recently made its first release. The main difference is that it lets you boot into the GNOME desktop environment. Usually forks are more trouble than they're worth, but given the limits of what you can compress onto a single CD, separate projects makes sense to me. Hopefully more widespread recognition will also bring about a few more mirrors."
shouldn't this be on freshmeat? maybe this site should be called freshdot, or slashmeat?
When you can use bittorrent!?
I prefer spooning with my software..
forking, you gotta stay the night, and feel awkward that morning at breakfast..
pm
** "It's not my job to stand between the people talking to me, and the ones listening to me." -- Pego the Jerk
This could be just the thing for checking a system for broken hardware and/or connectivity. A tech could walk up, insert their GNOPPIX CD, boot into a GUI environment, check things out and then go. The cost for this versus propietary alternatives would be VERY attractive.
In principio erat Verbum.
That's why I use chopsticks.
There are other knoppix remasters of gnome. See the full list, or try a few direct (morphix has had gnome for a while) links.
Then it gave up.
Too unstable, too unreliable, too much work to keep up. Meanwhile, KDE Just Worked.
Things might be better now, though.
--Dan
morphix.sourceforge.net
>Currently, iso's with XFCE4, Gnome2.2, KDE3.1 and a game iso are available for download! Morphix is an Open >Source/Free software project, based on Debian GNU/Linux and Knoppix. For more information, check the FAQ
Now had it been Gnome 2.4... that would have been news. :)
Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
Yet another linux live-cd with essentially the same spoken name.
"Hey, what are you running?"
"'noppix!"
"which one?"
(note: i know some people say it "gah-nome, gah-noo", but where i'm from the G is silent in front of an N. Same with the K in Knoppix)
do() || do_not();
Wouldn't those be pronounced the same way? Makes it a little confusing to talk about.
All that is necessary for the triumph of good is that evil men do nothing.
This story posted for your enjoyment by a KDE Zealot who wanted to kill the Gnoppix project and melt it's webserver beore it had a chance to gain in popularity.
Beep beep.
OS on a CD can be very useful when you try to rescue a system. Having a fully working system with all the tools at hand and access to the broken one, can save hours of work.
You boot the CD and get everything including network access, I have sometimes attached a USB (v2!) harddisk and transferred data to that one, or maybe a partition(with partimage).
Live CDs are one of Linux's "killer apps". Considering the low numbers of Live CDs out there. This is one niche that's not being fully explored. How about an Astrix Knoppix? Or a Musicians Knoppix? Same with graphics. Knoppix for schools. Knoppix for someone into the engineering arts.
That's really the way to distribute things like this without getting Slashdotted...
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
Bootable Linux distros should not be looked at as standalone OSes. Instead, they should be used for some specific purpose. One could test hardware configurations, recover some aspect of an old Linux partition, or even do a complete forensic investigation. I really like how you can create your own bootable Linux distro using Eagle Linux . One example is the bootable Linux project, FIRE (on sourceforge).
...a text-only Knoppix/Gnoppix workalike for us geeks. Where everything is console-only (including Curses-based stuff and the like). Heck, they could even throw in AAlib-based Quake ;) Or not.
But by making a text-only Knoppix (Toppix?), they would produce a really nifty research platform, and could include a ton more stuff (since text-only software tends to be a lot smaller than graphical stuff)...
Honey, I shrunk the Cygwin
The Gnome developers, of coarse! :)
I've handed out a number of copies of the CD, too, to friends & colleagues who aren't brave enough to go through the whole repartition shindig to put a dual boot installation on their Windows box but who are curious about Linux. Knoppix has raised more than a few eyebrows around here. While I'm not exactly a "Linux evangelist," I do enjoy watching people expand their horizons. KNOPPIX (and now GNOPPIX) can be useful tools for winning "converts," if that's important to you.
GNOPPIX means that now I can hand 'em two CDs & say, "This one brings up the KDE desktop & this one brings up GNOME, so you can see what all the brouhaha is about."
That is, I'll be able to do that after the GNOPPIX site recovers from being /.ed or puts up a few gazillion more mirrors ;-) It may be faster just to wait for the KNOPPIX folks to finish their DVD image...
"Obviously, I'm not an IBM computer any more than I'm an ashtray" (Bob Dylan)
Off the top of me head, I know of Knoppix, Morphix, Damn Small Linux, and Puppy Linux.
There are a few others, but I don't remember them off the top of my head.
Can I get an eye poke?
Dog House Forum
for people interested in getting into Linux but are not ready for formatting and installing Linux themselves. It gives them a taster for what it could be like! Bravo!
The problem with slashdot is that most of its users were bullied and stuffed into lockers as kids!
It would be really cool to take KNOPPIX to the next level: DVD-RW knoppix, where you can actually save your changes on the disk. (albeit slowness) Theoretically, you could write a certain amount of information to it, until you have filled up the disc, then have a mechanism to write a new clean DVD-RW with just the most modern information. That with a very driver heavy Linux kernel should allow for your "desktop" being exactly the same on any machine you insert the disc into!
Linux in a Nutshell, Fourth Edition
Slackware - the boxed set, not the downloadable iso - comes with a live CD as well.
I hadn't known there were so many idiots in the world until I started using the Internet -Stanislaw Lem
actually knoppix used to carry a half-hearted gnome desktop effort back in the day, until klaus understandably dropped it to make room for extra kDE eye candy. there are already plenty of essential gtk apps on the Knoppix cd today, just no desktop. the cool thing about kde 3.1 is it enforces KDE themes and colors onto gtk programs so you can hardly tell the difference apart from things like transparent snap-on menus, font rendering hints, and other (imo) unneccceesssary eye-candy. Eclipse running on knoppix manages to look like kde native which is no mean feat - tips hat to trolltech (and their evil canopy group overloards)
knoppix still includes the excellent fluxbox, which of all the current destop managers shows the most promise.
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I hope this project got around the patent issues that are plaguing KNOPPIX. Good bootcds are wonderful and put bootfloppies to shame. KNOPPIX is currently closed - view their current page and not the old one that was /.ed.
Knoppix
DamnSmallLinux
Knoppix Mini Cd
OpenGroupware Live CD
Moppix
Gnoppix
Quantian Scientific Computing Environment
Freeduc
L.A.S.
BlueEyedOS
Oralux
and others I can't presently remember.
Knoppix used to have gnome on it (accessable via a cheat code
Such is my understanding anyway, I've never used a version with Gnome, but there's plenty about it on various messageboards (it got removed before the latest versions because it had "problems" - hopefully this version is what it seems to be on the site - a completely seperate distro, and not just a hack of knoppix that is plagued by the same problems)
Gentoo has live cd's for PPC (KDE & Gnome), but i'm not too sure about x86
AFAIK, there's no method/protocol for bootable DVDs
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
Actually one of the reasons I've played with Knoppix is because you can try out different window mangers very easily...
:-)
While booting up up you get the choose of going for help, and if you do that you will see the choose of different window managers to try.
Not sure about the need for another live distro (but I'll qualify that with a what ever scratches an iche) then again, anything that has the same quality as knoppix is sure to impress any on looking windows users
Apparently Snow white had a grande old time with seven of 'em...
From excellent karma to terible karma with a single +5 funny post...
It's as useful as Knoppix, or should be. The thing here isn't so much about usefulness, after all Knoppix already does the job, but about preferences. Some people will simply prefer Gnome. Gnoppix gives them that. All the usefulness of Knoppix with the interface they want.
Or someone just thought it'd be a neat idea and acted on it.
Either, there is no loss, only gain. And for the record, I do not use Gnome myself.
I don't subscribe to RMS's GNUtopian vision.
Somehow they disabled the lang support in this version of Knoppix/Gnome (btw, not the first). You have to log out and then somehow change to English.
Also, anyone notice on the Thank You page there is props for Gnome and Debian, but nothing for Klaus Knopper and Knoppix!
Couldn't you just burn one in ISO9660 format rather then UDF?
--
est modus in rebus
*sings* "You say k-noppix, I say g-noppix"
Eh, let's call the whole thing off...
Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion.
I love these Linux on CD projects.
Go into a computer lab... computer not working? Oh well. Just pop in CD, and do your work. How great that is.
Would be nice if they could interact with a USB keychain drive better (keep your home directory on that, so you can write to it).
The perfect solution for anyone who must ensure they can get on a computer.
ISO9660 has nothing to do with being bootable, a bootable CDROM has what's analgous to a bootsector, a chunk outside of the filesystem that holds an image of the "boot floppy" that the bios emulates. (theres virtual hard drive mode).
It's basically a kludge - another session that contains the boot stuff.
DVDs just dont have this. DVDs arent multisession either. So they need an entirely different kludge.
You could carry a DVD and a floppy, or bootable CD around.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
Support is included in the lates Knoppix 4.2 release.
Help fight continental drift.
In addition to the lists above, there's Fire Linux, a favorite of mine. Great for recovery of Windows and Linux machines.
All's true that is mistrusted
Nope. Knoppix dropped GNOME a while ago for space and ease of maintenance.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
Klaus has said Knoppix is pronouced with a hard K.
I'm wondering whether the O is short or long, though.
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est modus in rebus
Plenty of emulator specific live CD's around, for folks that build MAME machines and whatnot. An RTCW live CD would need to be reburned every other day when new/updated drivers and cards come out...
Frankly it shouldnt be hard to roll your own. Or buy a console.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
To increase the relevance of SCO in the current IT market, they put out a new press release regarding this Gnoppix CD:
Dateline 9/12/2003 -- a day after the anniversary of a great tragedy, the terrorists have struck again by continuing to disrespect our Intellectual Property. The Gnoppix CD is in clear violation of everything we stand for. It should be stopped.
In response to Gnoppix and its predecessor Knoppix, our last programmer (since we've turned to a litigation-based business model) was asked to create SCOppix with which you could try our operating system without having to install it onto your hard drive, thus avoiding violating our IP. Users of SCOppix will not be targeted in any of our litigation.
All users will be required to click through our EULA which states that by clicking, they agree that SCO owns Linux, the user's computer, the user's house, the user's underpants (UNDERPANTS? isn't that just silly? Guess it hasn't stopped us before so why not), and all his base, and will thus be forced to become indentured servants of SCO. Furthermore, by accessing the CD with their computers, they will immediately be charged $699 anyway.
We are firm in our resolve that our Intellectual Property rights will be enforced to the far reaches of the planet. Every human, every penguin, every gnome (are you sure this is good to mention?) using our IP shall be charged until we can all sleep soundly at night knowing our children are safe from these terrorists. (and our bank accounts profit from this great pump-and-dump business model).
you want Morphix... I've already given a link for it. :)
Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
Hope this becomes a new trend; especially with DVDs. Then we can get rid of OS from hard drive entirely and just use a universally recognized file system on the HDD. You can boot whatever OS you want with the DVD and get the work done. Imagine four different people in your home using the same machine with four different OSs. The ultimate Virtual Machine!
For a good list of LiveCDs, check out Distrowatch.com list of run-from-cd distros.
"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson
That does make a lot of sense. Thanks for the reply.
Not everything is analogous to cars. Car analogies rarely work.
We can call it Shannon, Shannon Wilson Bell.
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
Knoppix
Slackware Live CD
FreeBSD Live CD
"You've got an invalid haircut" -Warren Zevon - Life'll Kill Ya
This is now the easiest way of getting a debian system because the knoppix\morphix installer is so much better.
It creates a working system from the CDROM then gives you the option of installing to hard disk. Then with the setup version of APT the rest is childs play.
This should have happened to Debian ages ago -- it kicks the pants out of Redhat and its update proceedures. If you haven't tried it do....
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I was seriously considering downloading this when the announcement appeared on GnomeDesktop.org, but decided to hold off until the next release.
First, this was announced the same day that Gnome 2.4 was announced. That sort of put a damper on things. I already had a (mostly) Gnome live CD via Morphix Heavy, and it wasn't clear that Gnoppix offered anything new.
Then there was also the issue of the English option being broken.
From what I've seen, the Gnoppix haven't been keeping as current as Morphix. I'm hoping that this changes in the near future, because Gnome 2.4 is starting to convince me that it's a viable desktop. In the mean time, I'll continue playing with Morphix.
see, in order for this confusion to occur, a slashdotter would actually have to interact with another person in real life. However, on the internet, where we slashdotter's reside, everying is pronounced with spelled-out. so you see, there isn't any problem after all.
I saw this posted on Debian Planet a few days ago and already downloaded a copy.
Unless you speak German, or are very familiar with the GNOME interface you're going to have a hard time using this. Booting with lang=en and setting your session type to en_US still won't switch the language to English. Now I have a nice coaster with "GNOPPIX 0.5" written with a Sharpie on it.
Too bad too. The only reason to get this over Knoppix or Lnx-BBC is for GNOME. Save your bandwidth for a few versions at least until the English support gets fixed. This is really a "too early to be slashdotted over" release, and they're going to lose a lot of potential users because of it's current condition.
It's also missing vital tools that all other live cds have, namely the ability to set up TCP/IP. The GNOME Network thingy didn't work, dhclient didn't work, there's no pump.
Gnoppix has potential to fill a nice little niche in the community, and when it's ready it'll be cool. But unless you're planning on helping out as a developer, wait on this one.
A little googling revealed this site that tells how to Boot KNOPPIX from an USB Memory Stick.
Gnome was removed from Knoppix for space reasons earlier this year, but yeah, before that you could put desktop=gnome at the boot prompt and run Gnome.
G-spot noppix.
Of course it runs NetBSD. BTC: 1NT7QvbetmANwaMzhpVL6
The G isn't a matter of your dialect, it's just a matter of proper pronunciation of a name.
:)
Gnu is pronounced Guh-new, because Richard Stallman (I think) said so. And I assume that convention carries over to any G prefixed words (in the right context).
You wouldn't call Bjarne Stroustrup Buh-jarn just because that's how you think you say it. It's Be-yarn-uh.
Or so I think...
Ever since Gnome 2.4 was released, I have found more and more gnome zealots who MUST absolutely advocate GNOME at every possible moment. Here is a guide to some of their claims, and what they really mean.
/gnu/celeron gnu/packard gnu/bell gnu/box.
Unlike KDE, gnome is free
Translation : GPL is freerer than LGPL. LGPL allows corporations like Ximian and Sun to have propeitry forks and lock away their changes from the user. Now that novell has taken over ximan you can expect gnome to get put under corpirate lock.
Nautilus is much better than konqueror.
Wrong, if your using nautilus for anything more than a simple finder clone you can forget it. No split screen, no ioslaves and forget about being able to have a decent file dialog.
Gnome is easier to use
Yep, nothing like using gconf-editor to edit all except the most trivial of settings
Gnome has eye candy
Yes, my pirated Win32 fonts with the patent infringing font renderer. Bit stream vera sans looks like Tahoma put through a shreadder!
Gnome has a new web browser
Yawb! Along with Galeon, mozilla, thunderbird, konqueror, atlantis, lynx, netscape and w3m. Yes i need another browser! Not to mention that its got a religiously offensive name and it dosen't allow bookmark folders. It also crashes like a crazy! Apple chose khtml for a REASON! its stable and light!
Gnome is themeable
Yep, choose from High, low and medium contrast, default, and clean ice. Wan't to change the colour scheme? USE GCONF NOOB.
Gnome has multimedia framework
Its a kludge of esd combined with broken xine libraries. No wonder it crashes all the time and dosen't work on 95% of video files
Gnome allows mac like operatoin.
x86 compatible 1 button mice are almost impossible to find, and it dosen't copy the whole macbar concept. Not to even mention their auto apply implementation is broken and dangerous! Plus if they did actually come anywhere close to copying the mac the C&D letters would come flying up their asses!
Gnome is GNU software.
gnu/Yay, gnu/gnome gnu/for gnu/my gnu/debian gnu/linux gnu/500mhz
Inspired by the gentoo translate-o-matic.
Just checked out Knoppix on a new laptop and noticed there wasn't any APM (APCI) support built in the kernel. Does anyone work on a cd to be used for a basic working linux install on a laptop?
"DVDs just dont have this. DVDs arent multisession either. So they need an entirely different kludge.
"
And yet Solaris 8 and 9, and MacOSX 10.2 can do it.
So what's Linux's excuse again?
I think gnomes are little small guys with hats that show up when you are really, really shitfaced.
My Ass hurts.
I realise that the bochs and plex86 projects are still in alpha stages, but is there any plan to port a knoppix CD to run under bochs? Then, if you provided different emulation binaries for different OS's(win98, 2000, linux, freebsd, etc...), you could run your own linux virtual system from the CD without having to reboot.
-Bucky
Morphix command saveconfig will burn your config to a usb device.
Got Code?
Its seems like a very cumbersome way to do this.
;))
Like mentioned, a USB flash drive would be more appropriate here.
Also, very few computers even has a DVD/RW drive yet.
But hey! we can dream
Bzzt wrong answer.
You can make a bootable DVD-ROM, I've done it, and booted a number of systems with DVD-Rs. We migrated a number of our system imaging CDs (which with Win2k were spanned) onto DVD-Rs, and its almost like the good ol' Win95 days again; multiple system images on a single bootable DVD-R.
We can realistically only fit about 3 of the newest images (which are pigged out with every application the desktop support crew can think of adding), but it kind of rox0rs, as kids are fond of saying these days.
I was about to moderate a comment in this thread but this pissed me off:
Having said that, I found this statement humorous: "but given the limits of what you can compress onto a single CD, separate projects makes sense to me.". Given the limits??? A CD has, what, 740MB? Yeah, they really had to push to fit into the tiny confines of a CD. I find it intriguing how the same community that endlessly used the term "bloat" to describe Microsoft software now can keep a straight face when describing the space on a CD as "limited".
Fella, if you think you can fit Windows, IIS, Office (twice over, Knoppix comes with OpenOffice as well as Koffice and several components from the Gnome office suite), MSSQL, several web browsers, email clients, development tools, network and security analysis tools, photoshop plus several graphics viewers, several multimedia suites, an advanced audio editor / mixer, games, etc. etc. etc onto one CD, you're smoking a more refined blend of crack cocaine than Darl.
Knoppix/Gnoppix showcase what you can get with Linux. I think it's astonishing what Klaus and the other developers have managed to fit on to this disk. The only "bloat" in Linux is in the choice department.
Anyone know the Kernel version of this release? I tried Knoppix, but due to Alan Cox's "patch" my sound doesnt work under linux (the only think keeping me on windows as of now). If this release is running 2.4.22, My switch is complete :D
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." G.W.Bush
How about Gentoo Enemy Territory CD
Should do what you want.
Sorry my bullshit sensor overloaded.
I want my BlackBoxoppix..
anyway, Gnoppix will be using Morphix's install/configuration tools. I've talked to Sven of the Gnoppix team, and it seems like they don't like inventing the wheel again, so we'll work on them together (now just to convince them on using our modular design, but we'll leave that for another day). You can read his notice here.
Currently we have the (gtk2) installer and a few configuration tools, but a (gtk2) partitioner is nearing completion which will replace cfdisk, together with a few new tools bundled together in a control-panel-thingy. Debian is too nice to be user-unfriendly :)
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Ka-nop-ix
If that sounds too silly for you, like Disney's Tigger trying to say "ka-night" or "ka-nife", try whispering the schwa that you insert between the K and the N. After a few times of saying that, you'll fall into the correct pronunciation of a non-English KN cluster (which is incidentally how KN was pronounced in English before it lost initial stop-nasal clusters).
Will I retire or break 10K?
If you can't get Gnome building into /opt, then you did something wrong. I've used Garnome to build and install gnome into many, many different prefixes, include /opt/gnome2, ~/.gargnome, ~/Source/garnome and so on. I'm not a Gnome hacker, nor a distro developer, I'm just a user, so if I can do it, why can't you?
Nevertheless, a GUI can make life simpler, even when rescuing.
Knoppix does offer a failsafe boot option in case its fancy hardware detection program doesn't work, as well as the option to not start X, i.e. stay at the console. The fact that its CD-ROM based also means it can fit in a more rescue tools in comparison to 1.44 MB disks.
What time is it/will be over there? Check with my iPhone app!
With DVD-Rs now out, it is just a matter of time before they pretty much replace the old 700 MB CD-Rs. It will be interesting to see how this project develops once it has more space to play around with. I wonder if they will soon have a CD-R version and a DVD-R version. DVDs could increase to 17GB and allow pretty much everything to fit onto 1 CD. This is assuming new technology, such as drivers, doesn't bloat it. (I hope to God linux doesn't ever grow exponentially in size with every release, like another popular OS)
You know, I'm so sick of hearing this argument. While I agree we are split between KDE & Gnome, do you really think that either one of these projects would be as good as they are if it weren't for the competition between them?
You just naturally think that if all the KDE and Gnome developers were to join teams, you'd instantly see a doubling of production for that one 'definitive' gui. This is just simply foolish thinking.
The Open Source community thrives because of the opportunities for competition. It allows the market to truly determine the winners and losers, rather than the big company monarchs of years past.
Beware of geeks bearing formulas.
But still, the trackers served a lot more people before being flooded than an FTP server in the same situation would have. Having several trackers and making a .torrent pointing at each one would be a good idea for a file that you expect to be extremely popular.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Some of us have crawled out of the primordial ooze and left our vestigal floppy drives behind.
Bootable rescue CDs are useful to me. Rescue CDs with a bunch of useful stuff on them are even more useful to me.
Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army.
Edward Everett (1794 - 1865)
because you can go into a university library and have full access to the machine. especially if you have network drive space. uhm.. theoretically.
El Torito bootable CDs have nothing to do with multisession. An ISO contains only one data track of one session, and CDs burned from ISOs can be bootable.
The problem here is that El Torito may need to be extended to cover DVD media, and this is in part a firmware issue.
Will I retire or break 10K?
I was always under the impression that if I wanted to use gnome in knoppix I could just toggle it at the startup screen?
Why don't you get, like, a *real* project to work for instead of blabbing off about how you're "contributing" to the open sores kommunisty? They don't like you, you know.
How about "switch to linux"?
"ooh, I don't know... I don't have any HD space left..."
"Well, how about you give this (K|G)noppix CD a spin and see if you like it?"
And if you really like it... you can install it on you hard disk! I still don't know how to get a configured and up-to-date debian system running faster (that is, short of running a debian apt mirror yourself :D)
Before a doubled stop (such as the PP), vowels are typically short. Yes, a German short O is higher[1] than an American English short O.
[1] "High" in phonetics refers more often to position of the tongue than to pitch of the voice.
Will I retire or break 10K?
... a bootable Linux distro that has Freevo on it. Just insert CD, boot, and it's all ready to go, freeing up the entire hard drive for recording and time-shifting live TV.
It's also great for installing Linux yourself, because it's got some of the best hardware detection capabilities around.
With persistant home and stored configs, you can store all your settings on a removable device and take your "desktop" anywhere there's a PC!
If you're looking for a 50 MB live Linux, try Damn Small Linux
"I would say that 99 per cent of what my father has written about his own life is false." - L. Ron Hubbard Jr.
Yes. And over a year ago, I scrounged around the lab for a thrown-away PC just so I could try Knoppix, for the first time.
/dev/hda[1|2|3|4|5]' to save me! Well, that was my *first* impression. It melted into shocking admiration when I discovered no hard drive in the chassis (was a really scavenged box).
My impression: Piece of shit!!!!
Try as I may, I couldn't 'mount -t ext2
Been a loyal Knoppix fanatic ever since. [Gushes]
In fact I was at a customer's site, last week and the customer wanted to move their ACT! DB to a centralized server (I'm not making this up). They were running Windows 95 on a PC they had manually used as a "central" ACT! DB for years. The OS wouldn't configure the NIC card I gave it, so...
You guessed it: Knoppix to the rescue! I had that DB off the machine in less than an hour (rsync'ed to a Samba share on the main server).
Mike, you wanna pass the plate around?
I blow my nose at your so called distro! You and all your silly English "ka-noppix"!
Now go away before I taunt you a second time-a!
With Knoppix you can just enter
at the boot prompt and it gives you a wonderfull Gnome2 desktop.
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One by one the penguins steal my sanity...
All we really -- most of us being web geeks who have bought hosting somewhere -- is filesystem that will mount remote volumes via FTP. Presto, you have portions of your filetree that you can save anywhere.
(OK, OK, to get things really smooth you have to be able to write back to the disk so that you don't have to do the mounting yourself, but still...)
Tweet, tweet.
As they aren't a part of Gnome, probably not, but then Gnome isn't a monolithic set of libraries. Why draw arbitrary distinctions in the sand like that? That is what /usr is for. SuSE have this habit of putting KDE and GNOME in /opt, and I'm not sure why, when I used SuSE it just caused me grief for apparently no good reason.
The only way to make that work for non-gurus is putting all the stuff under /usr, and hoping they use --prefix=/usr because /usr/local won't mix well either.
Well, I have Gnome installed in /usr, and have compiled stuff that depends on it to /usr/local just fine, I'm not sure what doesn't mix well there.... it seems you are deliberately making things hard on yourself.
Though I find that the iceWM distro of Morphix is a bit nicer than whatever current desktop they are running on the primary (some variety of KDE).
From what I remember, morphix in the light variety fits onto a mini-CD (those wallet-sized ones) with a small GUI.
What we really need is an Emacs live CD, forget Linux! Just boot into Emacs!
Better yet, an option to mount a USB dongle under /home. It's a trivial mod to any Live CD and would make an amazing portable computing environment.
As a current "K"noppix user, I think it's the best thing since I switched to Debian 2 years ago.
;)
After using Mandrake for years, and a failure to get pre-woody installed, I decided to switch and give Debian a try. Since then I havn't wanted to switch. BUT, Debian is terribly behind in the software versions. Yes, it is stable, but I wanted Eye Candy too!
Enter "K"noppix. Great hardware detection, boots live on the CD, linux without the install hassles. BUT, you can also install it to your HD. How sweet is that? NVidia drivers work, network, latests software from testing/unstable all that and the eye candy to boot!
Oh, and did I mention that installing Gnome 2.2.2 was easy as apt-get ?
The live cd distro's really do help in swaying someone who's not sure if they want to install linux or not. I applaud "K"noppix, "G"noppix, and Morphix for what they are doing for the linux community.
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Perhaps, but there was nothing inherently trollish about his post. You moderate the post, not the person.
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Knoppix already once saved my ass. At home, I use Linux, but I had to make a presentation (built with OpenOffice) the next day on my laptop, which runs Windows 2000 because I need some Windows apps there. I wanted to export the presentation as PDF, but that failed. So, just 2 hours before the presentation, I downloaded Knoppix. So I could start Linux from the CD, which includes OpenOffice and do my presentation.
Knoppix is also useful for marketing Linux. You can easily give Knoppix away and guarantee that it doesn't do any harm to the system. Most people actually are quite impressed by it.
Since Linux is all about choice, a Gnome Knoppix distribution is surely a thing that will be useful for a lot of uses.
I do run Linux on a P75, with 16Mhz of RAM.
It can do web browsing (graphical), play MP3s, read email (using mutt).
It even works as a mail server for use when disconnected (masqmail).
It has development packages (gcc), fancy text editors (fte).
It also has a 800MB disk.
It is a Toshiba Libretto 50ct.
Now, you may say, so what? Well, it's just as much a Linux as any other Linux. It's just not KDE or GNOME.
So yes, it is choice that makes Linux require a larger box. Because if you choose carefully, you can use a smaller one, too.
Here's the URL for how I did it:
http://www.pycs.net/lateral/stories/4.html
There are a whole lot of us out here who believe in the free software movement and/or wanted access to apt-get to get away from the annoying rpm/gzip update process, and wanted to have a Debian system. However, Debian clings to it's god-awful installation process like Deep-South college fraternities cling to physically-abusive pledging rituals. Debian could be a much better tech skill learning platform if more could access it. Knoppix has made it possible for pretty much anyone to have a Debian distro with a simple hard disk installation process and excellent hardware detection. Gnoppix will thrive or fail based on whether they follow the Knoppix installation model, or continue to refuse to change the Debian attitude toward difficult installation procedures.
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Knoppix is able to go beyond the 740MB-ish limit of the CD by using the cloop module.
:wq
What is cloop? Well, according to the README of the source file it is "a [k]ernel module to add support for filesystem-independent, transparently decompressed, read-only block devices".
Rusty Russel is listed as the original author. Klaus is listed as bug fixes and extensions.
cloop can be found here.
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Yes.
I fondly recall the days when the first step needed to use a personal computer was to insert a disk and then turn it on. If you were good, you could fit the software and the requisite OS parts all on one disk, and still have a bit of room left over for your own data.
Of course, I also remember how a bad floppy disk would ruin my day, usually due to slight, unintentional mishandling.
Sometime later, I got a 10MHz XT with a 20-megabyte drive, and I've never looked back.
Booting from removable media? Feh. We've got partition tables for a reason. FIPS/e2fsutils+LILO/grub works fine, and if it makes you squeemish or you've got NTFS[1] to fret over, good ol' Partition Magic has been making the multi-boot process easy for a number of years.
Let's stop dreaming in reverse, shall we?
Thanks.
[1]: Lack of mention of ReiserFS, XFS, JFS, HPFS, and all hellish incarnations of UFS intentional.
Kid-proof tablet..
Sorry but defamation of Miguel or anyone else is not something to encourage. What's your name? I'll impersonate you for a few days, then send a link to my comments to your boss. Then we'll see if you still think that the username doesn't matter.
it seems to me that they're preferring configurability over speed. Need an extra load-balancing webserver? install kernel + apache & whatever you need on a users desktop and hey presto...
Imagine a beowulf cluster of those :) but seriously... you should be able to test clusters fairly easy this way, running only the software you would be running in a production environment.
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Have you not used SuSe linux? v7.1 (or whichever) has a 7 discs and one bootable DVD...
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Pretty much a "spoon man," eh?
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
Anyone know if there are any bulk sellers of attractively printed Knoppix/Gnoppix/Whateverix CDs? This seems like a fun thing to have sitting on my desk at work to give away. I mean, I'd go for CD-Rs since they're all of 30 cents a blank, but it would be a lot more fun if the CD had some eye-candy on it. Plus, then potential victims, er, users would be more likely to give it a try I think (and I won't have to sit at the burner all day either).
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This isn't just good for knoppix, this is *highly* cool.
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Which is exactly what I was trying to get across by telling readers to whisper the schwa.
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SuSE LiveCD
Gentoo LiveCD which also has a demo of UT2003 pre-installed and ready to run.
boldly going forward, 'cause we can't find reverse
yeah my next door neighbour had her hard disk crash on her, and while waiting for her replacement disk she survived on my KNOPPIX cd for a week using mainly gaim and mozilla. the only thing she really needed that I couldn't get working was flash (the plugin needs to write to the mozilla directory which was on the cdrom)
the more fundamental question is why would you buy such a PC in the first place?
... or can I just "boot the evidence away!"
I only look human.
My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
You can get Knoppix 3.2 from cheapbytes.com, though they don't seem
to have Gnoppix yet for some reason. Their CDs don't have what I
would call eye candy (no fancy logos or anything), but they are
labelled in a passably-nice font, and the label (apart from the
black letters) is at a glance invisible, not one of those ugly white
labels you sometimes see on cheapies. For what they charge, it's
a pretty decent option.
I agree that I would like to get one with some nice eye candy, though,
maybe (part of) that Knoppix image of the eye that shows while it's
starting, or something.
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
Don't want to support N operating sytem versions, but want anyone
with a CD to be able to play your game? Distribute your game on a
LiveCD with the OS included; you get full control over the exact
version of every piece of software -- the only variables are the
hardware, then, and anyone with a PC can play your game.
Of course, for speed reasons you want to offer an option to install
to a disk image on the hard drive, and for that to be practical it
would be really nice to have read/write NTFS support. Hopefully
we'll get that Real Soon Now.
But the idea is solid.
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
It would be wonderful if I could just send them CDs running *noppix that they could plop in the Internet Cafe computers, reboot, and then browse the net feeling secure that they can trust the software running. All that they need is the basic functionality already present in Knoppix.
Has anybody done this? Any thoughts?
I don't think Internet Cafe owners would like customers by-passing their usage meter.
They could ask the owner if it's okay and watch the clock manually.
You make the mistake of thinking you can educate the fundamental stupidity out of people. You can't.
And it fits on a mini cd. Almost small enough to fit in your wallet!
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I've used Knoppix to introduce many newbies to Linux.
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The most innovative way I've used Knoppix to bring more people to Linux was introducing the idea of using it as the demonstation OS for computers that are to be auctioned.
The place from where I usually buy my machines had a problem. Following a visitation by a flying goon squad from Australian's version of the BSA, this auction house suddenly discovered that they could not install a certain well known OS on computers to be auctioned. Previously, they did a minimal install to enable people to see that the machines were in good working order etc. Now, it was not possible to show that computer systems were in good working order.
I solved my problem of ensuring that machines were working prior to bidding by running Knoppix on them... In turn I introduced to the auction house the idea of using Knoppix to demo *all* their working systems. They took up the idea and solved their problem of demonstrating the machines working with a "legal" OS. It's a beautiful sight watching 50 Linux desktops running in the same room
The upshot of all this is that hundreds of "literate" and "semiliterate" computer buyers are getting their first ever hands-on exposure to Linux when they test machines prior to auction. The auctioneers tell me that they have been getting many enquiries about where to get Knoppix!! Incidently, the "killer app" on Knoppix appears to be the game "Frozen Bubble"
A more polished version of Gnoppix with the En lang items fixed will offer another choice for converting newbies over to Linux. More power to them
There are very many uses.
;) ) /dev/hda /dev/hdc /mnt/hdc /mnt/hdc/bkp
:) ).
One example use: I use it to backup my systems.
In fact I'm doing it right now whilst browsing the internet.
Method: stick source HDD in top drive tray.
Stick destination backup HDD in bottom drive tray (big HDD).
Stick knoppix/gnoppix in CDROM drive.
Boot up knoppix
knoppix noswap
(noswap is if you want to be proper and not let it touch the hdds at all. Actually doesn't matter if it's for normal backup and not for forensics).
Launch a shell.
su -
#turn on DMA (hope your drives support DMA
hdparm -d1
hdparm -d1
#mount the second hdd (assume you've already formatted it to a filesystem that supports multi GB files e.g. xfs, unless you want to use split).
mount
#I've got a directory called bkp.
cd
#do the backup. I like timing it for some reason
time dd bs=131072 if=/dev/hda | gzip -c -6 > hostname-2003-09-13.gz
(-6 is the right balance of speed and and compression for me -9 is a lot slower and only gives you a file slightly smaller mabye 5%? bzip is way too slow).
The great thing is you can browse the web, read slashdot, etc whilst waiting for stuff to backup. It does slow down the backup somewhat esp when you need to access the CDROM drive, but hey you can always not use the PC.
BTW, if anyone says CPUs are really fast, well they aren't fast enough to backup a HDD at 40MB/sec yet. I average about 11-15MB/sec.
A 40GB HDD typically gzips to about 12-20GB and takes about 45-60 minutes. Depending on how compressible it is and how much space is used (duh
It gzips better if you zero the unused space first before booting up knoppix, especially if you have recently defragged your drive, or overwrote unused space with random chars to somewhat sanitise erased data.
Now if hot swap ATA drives become cheaply available it'll be even more convenient - can stick a new source HDD in without powering down the whole system. Have to power down the drive tho - moving/tilting a HDD that's spinning at 7200RPM is a bad idea.
Of course you could do the same thing by booting up from the big HDD instead of using a bootable CD. But it means you need to install stuff into the big HDD first.
I love Fluxbox, so I hereby request *FLOPPIX*!
Bah... I know it'll never happen just because of the brutal naming coincidence. But just think of all the extra space we could use for "valuable forensic support and rescue tools" (like Unreal Tournament) if we ditched Gnome and KDE altogether!
I had someone in the office once who said they hadn't tried Linux and couldn't because he didnt want to overwrite valueble information on his hard disk, so i brought in a Knoppix cd for him to try, and informed him he didnt need a hard disk to try it, unfortunately it scared him off.
Just seems some people get used to one type of OS and lose interest in everything else.
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It depends on two things 1) that the hardware of the computer at the cafe is linux/knoppix compatible 2) the networking/proxy setup of the cafe If the cafe has a proxy that requires a MS windows domain type login to use, then knoppix will not be able to log into the domain. It is much more likley that the machines either use a static IP address or DHPC to get their IP address. If they use DHPC, then knoppix will autoconfigure and everything will be fine. If it is a static IP address, the user will need to know the correct IP address for the machine and the correct IP address for the gateway and nameserver to get a good net connection. There is a configuration option to set this up, once you have that information.
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Never had any hardware problems with Knoppix, from obsolete pentiums to state of the art AMD MP's...
Having used Knoppix for a while as a swiss army knife for about every possible rescue operation, I think the GUI is totally irrelevant. Xterm is the killer GUI for sysadmins. It is the completeness and recentness of tools on the CD that counts. So if a Gnome fork makes sense is at least debatable. IMHO it would make more sense to join forces and maintain an always up to date swiss army knife.
Don't get me wrong. I have been around in the Open Source realm for 10+ years, and I think it's good to have multiple projects for the same problem (competition counts) but sometimes there's an exception to the rule IMHO.
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And if we're not just counting Linux, the second FreeBSD install CD is a LiveFS CD, for when everything goes horribly wrong. I'm not entirely sure what's on it, since I've never had to use it, but I believe that it contains a full copy of the base system.
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Thanks, after I asked the question I did look around a bit. Cheapbyte's didn't look so bad, but XPLinux has what appear to be nice discs at a much lower price ($2.99). All that said, I found one place that will print blank CDs in 50 disc lots for $1.29 (printing is thermal printing in black, prices go up and down from there depending on better printing methods or quantity respectively).
While I don't relish the idea of minding the burner, I do like the idea of being able to create a custom print that would serve as advertising as well. Plus, that's a savings of $1.70 per CD.
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I had browsing problems a few months ago on XP using IE6 (shhh... this is going somewhere). I couldn't post on certain websites, some pages weren't loading etc. Nothing I did seemed to fix the problems.
I downloading Knoppix and burnt it to disk within an hour. I quick bios change and 3 minutes later my PC had booted to a linux desktop. It found my MS mouse, cable modem, USB hub, GFX card - basically everthing. Both hard drives with all their partitions were there along with DVD-ROM and CDR - I was impressed.
The webpages still failed to load in Konqueror so I knew the problem didn't lie with me.
Within 10 minutes of using it I'd worked out how to make a screenshot, save it as PNG and post it on a forum which impressed me again.
I've still not made the switch but Knoppix is a great CD to have in anyone's CD collection.
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It also reads an environment variable. Or, you could *shock* read the source and alter it, if you want other paths too.
But the tricks I know about there involve ugly symlink kludges all over the place pointing into and out of /usr, and still compiles will end up breaking if include files aren't found in /usr/include (solution: more links to kludge things, that don't really belong in any package but end up needed by them all).
Like I said, you're doing something wrong. I've never needed such cludges. Why don't you raise these issues on the Gnome mailing lists, maybe somebody can help you?
Not exactly what I'd call "clean", but GNOME zealots love it anyway. Can't get most of them to acknowledge the basic design flaws though.
So far I've not seen any evidence of "basic design flaws", only somebody who hasn't got things set up right, sorry.
clippy..
Hmmm... I am not sure I understand what you mean.
The computer I described is about 50 times slower than a Duron 1.1
It also has at least 8 times less RAM, and 10 times less disk. And it can run as many rxvts (sorry, xterm is heavier) as you want.
I just tried it with 30, and it didn't even slow down.
Only if the admins don't lock you into using Windows... bios passwords are a terrible thing.
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Lmao...
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"Yes?"
"Hello, i'm from the Linux witnesses..."
"NO THANK YOU"
*SWIFT SLAM*
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Faking someone else should be strongly discouraged, but maybe not by modding down. When he actually does defame Miguel, he gets modded down properly. Of course, the Karma system at Slashdot has some decent flaws, and this is very obviously one of them. (Bad usernames posting good things.)
And nuts to you, I'm still in high school, although I'm sure you could do something I wouldn't like.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." -- Hanlon's Razor
btw, you should look up the meaning of defame. By merely posting his numerous unintelligent comments he is defaming Miguel.
I know what defame means, and the flaw that I was reffering to is that an asshole can, in theory, post good things, aquire karma, and then post bullshit with the Karma bonus.
I'm fully aware that some people are assholes. My only point was that just because a person is an asshole doesn't mean that everything they ever say is unworthy of notice and should be modded down into obscurity. Only the assholery itself should be modded down.
But now that I look at the parent closer, I concede that I really wasn't paying enough attention to the post. He WAS defaming Miguel in that post, and should thusly be modded down, or metamodded. If nothing else, he used terrible grammar and spelling which Miguel does not use. So, you're right.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." -- Hanlon's Razor
Either way, it isn't a slashdot flaw. I fail to see how you can blame the system for the actions of the participants.
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