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Apple Chromes Its Logo

Posted by pudge on from the everything-old-is-new-again dept.

Val42K writes "Personally, I like the original logo, but Apple has decided to changed their familiar logo in the latest release of the OS X operating system. It has the same shape but has a chrome finish, like the robots of Hajime Sorayama." Does it look anything like the image we're using for this story, the one on the outside of most Apple hardware and software boxes? What am I missing?

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  1. Uh Oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    It looks like slashdot needs to update their Apple logo. And it wouldn't hurt to metal-ize the /. theme for apple.slashdot.org!

  2. Re:well... by media_whore · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember that logo from my high-school years... from that time I found a disk that did something nasty to the Apple 2E (is that what they were called? 2E or II-E or something...) and stopped it booting. I then proceeded to take the disk around and do that nasty thing to every Apple in the school.

  3. Krups by skinfitz · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    It reminds me of that /. poll - its all coming true!

  4. Good job, Apple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't let those teeny bugs get in the way of anything. What you need is a new logo! Something shiny and capable of distracting users. Just think:

    Frustrated Apple User: Dammit, my computer keeps crashing!
    Apple: Um.. but look at this! Shiny!
    FAU: WOW! THIS IS THE BEST LOGO EVAR!!
    A: Te-he!

    Remember, if you want marketing gloss, that's employee zero (Steve Jobs') number 1 job!

    Thunk Different!

    1. Re:Good job, Apple! by Babbster · · Score: 1
      The following is obligatory:

      So when will Microsoft follow this tack? It would be nice to have AT LEAST the marketing gloss in a Windows OS.

      The preceding was brought to you by the "Insult Microsoft At Every Flimsy Opportunity" Foundation.

    2. Re:Good job, Apple! by Frac · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't let those teeny bugs get in the way of anything. What you need is a new logo! Something shiny and capable of distracting users. Just think:

      I totally agree with your sarcastic remark. Because, you know, I bet when one guy redesigns the logo, the rest of the company would stop working and just stare.

    3. Re:Good job, Apple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have yet to have my current computer (g4) which ive had for a year and a half now crash even once. The last crash I had was on my old g3 is os 9.2.2.
      Maybe i dont install enough bullshit third party utilities or something

    4. Re:Good job, Apple! by jonjohnson · · Score: 2, Funny

      When my coworker said, "Oh look, they changed the apple," I thought to myself, "What, did they take another bite out of it?"

      That said, it does look funny, but it's grown on me.

    5. Re:Good job, Apple! by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Wow so all the people who are hired as a programmer and engineers have to stop and develop a logo. I bet that guy who is doing the logos hasn't write a single line of code in his life.
      But your point is taken for the sarcastically challenged. That Apple users tend to Marvel over the Appearance then the technical end. Although Apple is not perfect and there is pliantly of room for improvement. They come out with a darn good product compared to the others out there.

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    6. Re:Good job, Apple! by sg3000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > I bet when one guy redesigns the logo, the rest of the
      > company would stop working and just stare. :-)

      Then again, maybe it is true. We know that clearly it's true for Leander Kahney of Wired and at least 66 slashdotters.

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  5. Steve, if you're reading this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Please end this madness. It's fine the way it is. The chrome effect makes it look split and not wholesome.

    And stop with the "Brushed Metal" craze.

  6. Re:well... by danamania · · Score: 1

    I liked the little relief rainbow too, so much so I scanned the front of a Quadra 700 to make it into a backdrop. It has a nice sized rainbow apple logo, and sits on my OSX backdrop as a little reminded.

    The pic is here. I forget the res, it's probably still 1024x768 from when I used to use an iMac. Do with it what you like.

  7. And You Thought 10.2.8 Was Bad! by Farley+Mullet · · Score: 5, Funny

    This screenshot from the Wired article points to a disturbing problem with the 10.3 prereleases: move from 10.2.x to 10.3 and have your processor downgrade, your clock speed decrease by 600MHz, and your RAM decrease by 448 MB. Watch out!

    1. Re:And You Thought 10.2.8 Was Bad! by turkmenistani · · Score: 1

      Wow, and if you look closely you'll notice that Apple switched the processors, too! All with a simple OS upgrade!

    2. Re:And You Thought 10.2.8 Was Bad! by Second+Vampyre · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you look even closer, you might see this mentioned in the post you are replying to.

    3. Re:And You Thought 10.2.8 Was Bad! by milkman_matt · · Score: 1
      move from 10.2.x to 10.3 and have your processor downgrade, your clock speed decrease by 600MHz, and your RAM decrease by 448 MB.

      That'd SUCK! I'd be running at -200MHz and -52MB of RAM on my lombard.. as if I didn't feel bad enough not being able to play DVDs.. Apple hates me :( (hehehe)

      -matt

    4. Re:And You Thought 10.2.8 Was Bad! by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Funny
      move from 10.2.x to 10.3 and have your clock speed decrease by 600MHz, and your RAM decrease by 448 MB. Watch out!

      WOOHOO!

      I'll end up with negative clockspeed and negative RAM!
      Wich means, if years of low-budget sci-fi has taught me anything, that I'll either go back in time or DESTROY THE UNIVERSE!

      I can now execute Operation Black Hole:
      1. Get the OSX 10.3 upgrade.
      2. Hold the universe ransom for 10 BILLION DOLLARS!
      3. Profit!
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  8. Slashdot by turkmenistani · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a Mac user. I like OS X. I like Apple, in general. And for what it's worth, I don't really think Apple making their logo shiny is really /. material.

    1. Re:Slashdot by transiit · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm not a Mac user. I don't really care much for OS X. I used to like Apple (and defended them for years when the big argument was Apple vs. IBM), but I'm convinced that Steve Jobs had done good to keep Apple alive, but done poorly with everything else. And for what it's worth, it's crap like "They changed their logo!" (though, to a larger degree, the dissemination of propaganda ("They built a cluster in Virginia! It's so much better than everything else!" or "Some school in Japan is switching from linux to mac! Here comes the tidal wave of switchers(tm)!") that makes me think that the Apple community is still the greatest obstacle that Apple would have to overcome if they wanted to push anything in significant numbers or regain any sort of techie credibility.

      -transiit

    2. Re:Slashdot by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is not really a logo change. It is just a new color. First they had the rainbow apple. Which fit for the late 70s-80s, then they did the solid color aqua apple for the 90s to match their design scheme for the Fruit iMacs, and they changed color of the apple many times their without any real problem from red to gray to blue. Now its the 21st Century and their product line is becoming less fruit like and more metallic so the chrome apple will come out. and they will probably change their logo again in an other 10 years. If they decide to make their systems out of wood or wood looking material then they will make a wooden apple. Or maybe it the Macs will be made out of some sort of Hi-Tech fiber so the apple will be made out of cloth. It is still the same design just a different texture. I bet those people who get payed to redo the apple logos have the best job on earth. Select layer with the apple. Go down to the Function button in photoshop select pattern overlay, choose your patter and then bang your done. (Well I am over simplifying it a bit). It would be truly news worthy if they replaced the Apple Picture with something else like a picture of a Pie or something.

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    3. Re:Slashdot by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Funny thing you mention that, because I always thought that the Linux community is also a major obstacle Linux has to overcome if anyone wants to think seriously of mainstream acceptance of Linux on desktop. Obviously, Windows community - especially all those guys who mindlessly open EVERYTHING they got attached in mail - is a major obstacle to anyone who wants to claim that Windows can actually be a secure and stable platform. Let us not forget the Playstation community, a great obstacle for anyone who wants to say that console gamers are NOT just a bunch of teenagers with a severe case of attention disorder. Etc. etc.

      Communities are often a blessing, but they can also be a pain in the backside. It's normal. But you are not fair saying that:

      I'm convinced that Steve Jobs had done good to keep Apple alive, but done poorly with everything else

      A selection of some achievements, like (in no particular order): iPod, G5, iBook, mainstream acceptance of wireless technologies (something that still keeps x86 users in a computer equivalent of middle ages), mainstream acceptance of an Unix-based desktop system just proves you're wrong.

      And yes, they also update their logo. And yes, they also pull interesting public relations stunts (actually, I agree with you that the Virginia cluster boils down to pure PR). They are a major corporation fighting for survival in a market governed by brands. But does this make my iPod, iBook or iMac less functional?

    4. Re:Slashdot by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful
      iPod. Wow. What a technological leap. There's how many other mp3 players out there, including quite a few that were out before the iPod ever hit the market, at a lower price? To be fair, they did innovate on that one. It costs more. It has firewire.
      Before iPod, pretty much all MP3 players had major limitations: most of them could barely store a CD's worth of MP3s; those that did better, by having a hard disk, were exceptionally large, you certainly didn't want to carry one around with you all the time. And, to be honest, even now it's hard to find something that's a could combination of portability and capacity. They exist - Dell's coming out with one (but you can't buy one yet), Sony keeps announcing boxes that never seem to hit the shops, I don't doubt they're there somewhere, but I can't find 'em.

      iPod is to MP3 players as the cassette tape was to tape recording. Philips didn't invent tape recording. They didn't invent tape, or the substances painted onto tape to give it a magnetic memory. They didn't invent little magnetic heads to read analogue data off those tapes and convert them into sound. People had all sorts of tape recorders before the cassette. What Philips did was package the technology into a usable format. Who wants to thread spools when they want to listen to music? Who wants to spend ten minutes in front of a computer selecting music in advance when they want to carry around music with them?

      I'm going to have to go with the "iPod was innovative" option.

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    5. Re:Slashdot by sebi · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Doesn't really change the fact that Apple had neither the first small mp3 player, the first portable hard disk mp3 player, nor the first small AND hard disk mp3 player.

      See, I know that you are flame-baiting and doing a reasonably good job at it, but that statement simply is not true. The iPod was the first (and still might be the only--I don't follow the market) hard disk mp3 player you could comfortably fit in the front pockets of your pants. The same place where I used to carry my Walkman (I always used to buy the smallest ones I could find for that very reason). Sure, others come with belt-clips or you can put them in your rucksack, but belt-clips are just as stupid now as they where at the height of the Walkman era and putting a player out of immediate reach is something you wouldn't do unless you have to. Taking existing concepts and combining them to something new is innovation. You cannot argue against that. And this is exactly the form of innovation Apple excels at.

      Their wireless initiative consisted mainly of putting antennas into every machine they built and build. And they made sure that the operating system would support it. And--at the time it was introduced--they made it really cheap and easy. Any company might have been able to do it but Apple did. This reminds me of Douglas Adams' "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency." Two of the main characters debate about the merits of the cat-flap. One of them says that it is not a big deal. Anyone could have thought of that. The other one says that one person thought of it first and only afterwards it became obvious. I feel the same thing about Apple. They inspire "I wish I had thought of that." The iPod has become the synonym for mp3 player in exactly the same way the Walkman became the synonym for portable cassette players. The original Walkman might have had the added bonus of truly being the first product of it's kind, but that in itself does not matter. In a couple of years the average person will think that the iPod was the first.

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    6. Re:Slashdot by squiggleslash · · Score: 1
      The stock 32MB was enough to hold a full cd (provided that you aren't a 'tard and oversampling)
      Exactly. That's all it could store. So if you wanted to use it (and owned more than one CD ;-)) you had to sit in front of a computer for ten minutes ahead of time each time. Usage of the iPod is entirely different - you add CDs as you rip them and then forget about it.
      As for pre-iPod mp3 players with larger capacity, I can't help but think of the Creative Nomad, which was at several GB (I think 6 or 10 in the early days. I never bought one) in capacity, and roughly the same form-factor as a portable cd player (i.e., the discman, which was the last "innovative" leap in portable music, created by Sony (not phillips) that's most often attributed to creating a market for portable music (the walkman) to begin with).
      Try putting a discman or clone thereof in your pocket and you'll see what I mean and what makes the iPod a solution. Sony came out with the minidisc in order to deal with the problem that the physical dimensions of CDs made a genuinely carry-about-with-you CD player an impossibility.
      I'm not sure where Archos fits in, but my recollection is that they also beat Apple to the market with a reasonably sized, high-capacity mp3 player.
      Archos beat Apple to market with an MP3 player with a hard disc, but again not one that was pocketable.
      Doesn't really change the fact that Apple had neither the first small mp3 player, the first portable hard disk mp3 player, nor the first small AND hard disk mp3 player. They've just been marketing better.
      I'm familiar with what was available before iPod. In all honesty, you're wrong (unless by "small" you just mean "smaller than a hardback book" or something, "small enough to hold in your hand", etc.) The iPod is an MP3 player you can easily and comfortably put in your pocket - any pocket, your shirt pocket if you want - with enough capacity to store every piece of music you're likely to want to listen to. There simply wasn't anything like that before it.
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    7. Re:Slashdot by li99sh79 · · Score: 1
      G5. Not really an Apple innovation. Also known as IBM's PPC 970 chip.

      The G5 processor is IBM's baby sure, but the PowerMac G5 is more than just the G5 processor. And the PowerMac G5 is definately an innovative design. As is the LCD iMac, and the TiBook, and the 17" Powerbook. Apple takes good technology that by an large already exists but isn't widely used and pushes it hard. USB, Firewire, and Airport, are all standards that Apple has lead the way in utilizing. And that is innovative.

      And for the record, I still have yet to see an mp3 player that's as elegant as my 10gb iPod. It's a brilliant little piece of tech and probably the best purchase I've made this year. Too bad i now want one of the new ones ;)

      -sam

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    8. Re:Slashdot by lacrymology.com · · Score: 1

      I bet those people who get payed to redo the apple logos have the best job on earth. Select layer with the apple. Go down to the Function button in photoshop select pattern overlay, choose your patter and then bang your done. (Well I am over simplifying it a bit).

      My guess is that you're over simplifying a ton. based on what I've read about the Jobs-factor toward things like logos, case shape, case material, pamphlets, manuals, ink, paint, injection mold styles, etc.... this new logo is probably the 10,000,000th iteration of metallic apple prototypes -- 99% of which probably look nearly identical, but somehow just didn't cut it.

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    9. Re:Slashdot by sebi · · Score: 1
      I'm not flamebaiting, contrary to the effect your claim had on the moderators.

      Do you expect me to feel sorry for you now? This is the Apple section of Slashdot. The story was not on the front page. You actually had to go to a subsection of the site to find it. Then, in a discussion about a reported logo-facelift, you basically go on to say that this is a stupid marketing move by a company that, in you opinion, does nothing but stupid marketing. And you don't say that anywhere, but to the face of the very people who are infatuated with said company. People who are known to defend that company with a lot of holy righteousness and little common sense. Flame-bait? Never!

      If I'm reading that right, it sounds like you're saying that it doesn't matter who came first or who did what when, just how the marketers went and revised history in their favor.

      If you have to ask, whether or not you are reading something correctly then the answer is "no" in most cases. You did not read it correctly, you read it how you wanted to. I am saying that it doesn't matter who came first. It does matter who came at the right moment. Who achieved the perfect combination of factors. The marketers don't revise history. They just help anything to get out of the gates. How it is perceived and remembered depends on a lot more than just marketing. Building a good product is no guarantee for success. Neither is good marketing. Usability. portability, battery life will not help you succeed. What you need is a combination of all those factors.

      I get the feeling that for you marketing is incredibly evil. Marketing is about telling people what they need and where to get it. Dishonest marketing may be condemned. But when was Apple dishonest when promoting the iPod? You might criticise them for their G5 campaign, but must then also praise them for disclosing all the facts.

      Which gets back to what I've been trying to assert: The iPod's success isn't about being innovative, it's about marketing better.

      I am perfectly aware of what you have been trying to assert. The problem is that you are still wrong. Even worse: If you are not baiting for flames then you must be an idiot. The iPod succeeded because Apple saw a need, fulfilled it, and then let people know about it. They innovated by building a mp3 player unlike any other available at the time. One that was better in the sense that it more closely conformed to the needs of potential customers. For a successful product innovation and marketing ideally go hand in hand. You might dream of a place where only the product counts but it has never been that way and never will be. If you think that it is wrong to sell a product that is better than anything else and has better marketing than anything else, then you seem to not have problems with Apple in particular but rather with the capitalistic world in general. A commendable attitude, but not one I would want to discuss just this very moment.

      And you fell for it.

      This remark goes a long way to establish your position as a misunderstood idealist rather than a troll. Well done. I guess you thought you'd shut me right up with that one.

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    10. Re:Slashdot by transiit · · Score: 1

      There's a setting somewhere in the slashdot prefs: Collapse Sections (or something like that). Everything looks like it hits the front page. So no, I didn't realize I was treading on hallowed "section only" ground.

      Troll, idiot, misunderstood idealist....whatever. You're the one vigourously defending a product you didn't envision, design, build, create....you bought it. Consumerism, yeah!

      -transiit

    11. Re:Slashdot by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 1

      You seem incredibly narrow minded yourself.

      I bought it! Twice!

      5gb when it first came out, and the 10gb when the trackpad revision came out.

      I bought it because it made my life better. Instead of $1,600 worth of CDs I barely listened to, I now have a soundtrack to my life. That's all. It works. It was a better solution, two years ago, than any other device on the market, and today it's still highly competitive.

      You're involved in a semantic game: What is innovation? What is marketing?

      I think that distracts you from the point other people are trying to make: The iPod is a fabulous design, exceeds people's expectations, and is worth crowing about because even now there is little in the way of comparison.

      You sound bitter and jealous; you don't use a Mac, you don't own an iPod, you don't use OS X, you don't use iTunes, you don't buy music from the music store...

      Does it bother you that Apple customers are generally happy with what they buy and purchase? Does that strike you as wrong?

      I am very happy with my purchases, and I've sold three people onto the Mac, not because I lie and spin, but because I enjoy the experience so much. And then they do, too!

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    12. Re:Slashdot by transiit · · Score: 1

      You sound bitter and jealous; you don't use a Mac, you don't own an iPod, you don't use OS X, you don't use iTunes, you don't buy music from the music store...

      Does it bother you that Apple customers are generally happy with what they buy and purchase? Does that strike you as wrong?
       I don't use these things because I've found they really don't work out so well for what I need. You, being a satisfied Apple customer, is no skin off my back...in fact, the only irritant related to that is how many "satisfied apple customers" will always tell me how [insert problem here] can be solved by [insert apple product name here], even when it can't.

      I just find it a bit silly that so many people get their collective panties in a bunch defending the honor of some company. Is this about justifying your own purchases, or do you just feel like they can do no wrong?

      I don't get it.

      -transiit

    13. Re:Slashdot by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 1

      Haha, of course you don't get it, because you don't see the third option :)

      1) Justifying purchase is true; that's always true, even a little bit, even subconsciously
      2) Apple has a good image, no doubt about it, good PR
      3) Self image pride; people associate themselves with their brands. People trust Apple (just like people 'trust' Ford, or 'trust' Chevy, or 'trust' Honda, 'trust' Toyota, etc). They find the products meet/exceed expectations, so you literally set yourself up for attack by attacking their self image.

      I don't understand why you don't get it. Everyone holds things dear to themselves, and then they react vociferously when those things are attacked; they become defensive, aggressive, and vocal. So taking that abstract concept and making it concrete, what it means is you baited them by denying their values, and they proceed to defend those values, in *self* defense.

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    14. Re:Slashdot by transiit · · Score: 1

      That's awful.

      So are you the clothes you wear?

      Are you the car you drive?

      Does it not seem wrong to buying an identity?

      -transiit

    15. Re:Slashdot by sebi · · Score: 1
      Consumerism, yeah!

      That is the crux of the matter right there. I get the feeling that you have a problem with consumerism and markets. Instead of just saying so (which would undoubtedly be off-topic) you attack one of the symbols of consumerism. The iPod is just a proxy. I am defending a product I might or might not have bought, envisioned, designed, built or created because I don't agree with your arguments. There are quite a few ways you might have got your point across with more credibility. You chose hostility and deceit--tactics that have been know to be employed by the marketers you so dearly despise. It seems that you are trying to fight the good fight but unfortunately your weapons are rather blunt and crude. What a shame.

      Companies are not automatically evil. They certainly exist to increase shareholder value and make money, but there are quite a few roads that lead to that particular goal. They might represent something that you believe in and thus become some sort of (perceived) ally. So when someone comes around attacking that company (or writer, musician, athlete, ...) they seem to be attacking you. Some people launch such attacks for kicks, to annoy others, to provoke strong reactions because they think that this is fun. Others launch such attacks because they honestly want to challenge beliefs different from their own.

      What is it? You say that Jobs had done good to keep Apple alive, but done poorly with everything else. You also say that he did so by issueing the "Everything must be clad in the most god-awful plastic" directive. Your beef with apple is that they've lost the vision. What did they do when they started? What are they doing now? Try to make computers that people can use? Has this changed? You say that it used to be about the technology. Aren't there enough technology-centric corporations out there? Do you need every last one of them to think like that? Enlighten me, please.

      If your Slashdot settings are the way you described them then I apologise for accusing of viciously seeking out the Apple sub-section. I still accuse you of starting a, so far, pointless argument devoid of facts and full of accusations. Had I been wiser I would have stayed out of it, but wise is the last thing anyone would ever accuse me of being.

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    16. Re:Slashdot by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why are you asking me?

      You understand perfectly then, don't you? Why do you say, "I don't get it" if you do?

      And that's the heart of American consumerism, isn't it? Class mobility through ownership of goods?

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  9. Re:well... by danamania · · Score: 5, Funny

    And no jokes about how the site must be running on a Quadra cos... uhhh... it is. :)

  10. Picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Does it look anything like the image we're using for this story, the one on the outside of most Apple hardware and software boxes? What am I missing?"

    Yeah, it looks like this:
    Picture

    1. Re:Picture by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Wait, you didn't actually think the editor was going to RTFA like all 8 of the other readers that do, did you?

      They even get the chance to read it before it's slashdotted and they don't!

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  11. Re: that would be correct by ubiquitin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are people in the public relations world who drool over the possibility of having the world sit around and chat about your logo redesign. This is news for nerds. Apple has had their ten minutes of fame, now it is time for open source to shine. Would a redesigned Debian logo get coverage on slashdot? It shouldn't. The avoidance of mass-commercialism led me to slashdot and now it is driving me away.

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  12. Well... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

    It just goes to show Sunday is a slow news day. Is it a long weekend holiday in the US too?

  13. According to a screenshot, by shigelojoe · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Panther can run on a 400 MHz G3 with 192 MB RAM. I wonder how sluggish it is on such a machine. I also wonder who has a pre-release and decided to run it on such a machine.

    Hmmmm......

    1. Re:According to a screenshot, by danamania · · Score: 1

      > I also wonder who has a pre-release and decided to run
      > it on such a machine.

      I posted a link to a picture on my site a few comments up not long ago. So far at least half of the hits from macs are from a version of Safari that's panther-only. There's plenty of people out who've got the dev version(s), bound to be some older iMacs in there.

      From all I've seen it's a little quicker than jaguar on all machines, and a great deal quicker on some.

    2. Re:According to a screenshot, by iJed · · Score: 2, Informative

      Panther will feel faster on a 400MHz G3 than Jaguar did on a 600MHz G3. I'm currently typing this on a 500MHz iBook running Panther 7B68 and its noticeably faster in nearly every respect from networking to UI responsiveness. Panther is finally that truly polished release of Mac OS X that shows maturity is coming to the OS.

      As for the new Apple logo I really could not care any less. Although its probably a more newsworthy item than Dell cloning something else again.

    3. Re:According to a screenshot, by iJed · · Score: 1

      I copied a number of large (500M +) disk images to my PowerMac and then installed the dev tools over the network. No speed problems whatsoever. Are you possibly talking about SMB networking performance or some other protocol?

    4. Re:According to a screenshot, by reiggin · · Score: 1

      He's not talking about SMB, he's talking about the SMT (Standard Mac Troll). You need to slashdot more often.

    5. Re:According to a screenshot, by megan_of_wutai · · Score: 1

      Panther DP is as fast or faster than 10.2.6 (guess who avoided 10.2.8 through laziness and 56K :)) for everything I've used it for.

      I run a 450MHZ G3 Power Mac and I can't say I've ever noticed the OS being sluggish.

    6. Re:According to a screenshot, by valkraider · · Score: 1

      Is anyone keeping an archive of the variations of that troll? What is being used to create it?

      It would be interesting to see all the variations. (I have seen fruits, pets, computers, and cars)...

    7. Re:According to a screenshot, by geethree · · Score: 1

      [quote]
      Panther can run on a 400 MHz G3 with 192 MB RAM.
      [/quote]

      I hope so. I've got two 400 MHz iMacs, tho both of them have a gig of RAM each.

      A G5?? Someday....

  14. Huge crack by __aafkqj3628 · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one that thinks that the line going through it looks like a giant crack in the logo?

    It's a sign (better not be).

    1. Re:Huge crack by speechpoet · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's not a crack. It's a molding line.

    2. Re:Huge crack by __aafkqj3628 · · Score: 1

      At least they are willing to admit product mistakes in their own logo.

    3. Re:Huge crack by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Nope. That was my first thought too.

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  15. Laptops, logos, systems, what next? by SkiifGeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First there was the TiBook, and now the AlBook, then there was the brushed metal skinned software in OS X, then the sexy G5, now the logo.

    With the rumours of Panther being brushed metal heaven, is this a new corporate image, moving away from the lickable aqua (at least the iMac, eMac, and iBook range remain lickable) to a smooth, sharp image?

    The best way to check will be to see what Dell and Co will bring out in 12-18 months time, and look at the interface on MS Bonghorn when it comes out in 3 years time.

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    1. Re:Laptops, logos, systems, what next? by Unregistered · · Score: 2, Funny

      MS Bonghorn

      Sounds fun. Am i gonna regres abandonig windows after all.

    2. Re:Laptops, logos, systems, what next? by NaugaHunter · · Score: 1

      >MS Bonghorn

      Sounds fun. Am i gonna regres abandonig windows after all.

      Why is there smoke coming out of your wireless mouse?

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    3. Re:Laptops, logos, systems, what next? by lowmagnet · · Score: 1

      Oh shit, that was the pro mouse I kept hitting last night. I was wondering why it was all tarred-up this morning. I thought it was a glass pipe.

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  16. Where did they change it? by CptTripps · · Score: 1

    I'm using Panther (7B68) right now, and can't find the change they are talking about. Not in the "About this mac" window, not in the startup, not anywhere. Any why the hell is this news anyway?

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    1. Re:Where did they change it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      7B68 does not have this new logo.

    2. Re:Where did they change it? by byolinux · · Score: 1

      It's just a slow news day, but I think it's only changed in the very very latest Panther builds.

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    3. Re:Where did they change it? by Ma�djeurtam · · Score: 5, Informative

      This logo appeared in 7B74. 7B81, which was seeded today (or maybe yesterday) is rumoured to be the GM since it is the first version not to mention "(Pre-release)" in the 'About this Mac' box. We don't know yet if 7B81 has the new cracked logo or if it was changed.

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  17. Re:well... by Graff · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One good thing about the Apple //e was that here was no way that you could permanently mess it up short of physically destroying it. The Apple //e didn't maintain any data between power down and power up so if you screwed it up all you have to do is power down, wait 10 seconds and then power it back up. Yes you could screw up some diskettes and they would never work right again but the Apple //e didn't need a diskette to work.

    So go ahead and mess up every Apple //e in school. I'm sure the administrator just powered them down and back up and they were fine. This is unlike the Commodore 64 which had a nasty bug where if you quickly toggled certain registers you could fry a chip on the motherboard and ruin the entire motherboard. I had a friend who ran a program which turned out to be a trojan horse of sorts and it did just this, toasting his Commodore.

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  18. Um... Rumors... by emerrill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is only a rumor, not hard news last I know. There is no press release about it, there is not a single incarnation of the shiny logo on apples webpage (that I can find) the only indication of this is in the Boot and 'About This Mac' windows. Even the menu bar Apple is still the blue or grey one like /. uses.

    People should clarify reality and rumors.

    http://macslash.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/26/1650 24 2&mode=thread

    1. Re:Um... Rumors... by emerrill · · Score: 1

      Actually yes, it was a big deal when they dropped the Rainbow.

      But the fact of the matter is, is that they use many different variations of the same logo, in various colors. Just because this one is chrome color, doesnt mean apple is changing its logo any.

      And besides that, the article (particularly the ed comments) make it sound like it has already occurred.

      We never note that the newest box has a red logo instead of white, so why are we bothering with this?

    2. Re:Um... Rumors... by emerrill · · Score: 1

      First off, yes, I know that they changed the logo in Panther, ive been running it since the 6b series. Second, 7b74 is not the GM. Im running 7b80, and 7b81 exists.

    3. Re:Um... Rumors... by elohim · · Score: 1

      wake me up when they've changed the logo to chrome and made it prominent on the apple website

  19. Re:beware of apple's "warranty" by emerrill · · Score: 1

    This really had nothing to do with anything.

    Of course they wouldn't do your claim. From the story you give it sounds in all likely hood that you caused the problem (from the sequence of failure). The heat sink on the G4's doesnt just cool the processor, it also cools some PP chips on the daughter card. You claim you added 'Superior' cooling, but you really have no idea about what the engineers were doing when they designed it.

    You want super quite, get a G5 they are really super quite (I know, not a valid solution for most, but I thought I would offer...)

  20. Re:beware of apple's "warranty" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    This troll needs to be updated, dude. It's the G5 era now. Make it a single processor, so that no one can blame the noise on the extra heat. Also, mention that copying 17 meg files or installing Airport cards causes BSD to die, since, of course, in Communist Russia the Mach kernel micro-boots you!

    I for one welcome our new Troll overlords.

  21. Re:well... by nutsy · · Score: 2, Informative

    You're probably thinking of the PET's killer poke.

  22. Re:beware of apple's "warranty" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You might just be the biggest idiot I have ever heard of (and I read /.!).
    You modified a product that someone a whole lot smarter than you built. Then it didn't work, and that is somehow Apple's fault?

    So you don't like the way your car rides, and you decide that bicycle wheels would work a lot better than the stock wheels. After a bit of tinkering, you roll out with your new ride, only to have it hit the ground in 18 feet because the wheels couldn't handle the load.
    Now, when you call up GM to complain about how heavy their cars are, what do you suppose they'll say?

    Yes, you modified the machine, you dipshit. You didn't just stick a new drive in there, or a stick of RAM. You removed and replaced some parts that were precision-engineered to do a certain job. Just because those fans would work on your AMD doesn't mean they are designed to work on your Mac. Apple owes you nothing. Hear that? NOTHING.
    I have read the fine print, and it says that Apple will replace their stuff. NOT your stuff.

    Moron!

  23. Re: that would be correct by jensend · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Would a redesigned Debian logo get coverage on slashdot?
    You mean like this, this, and this? A lot of /. users' feelings about particular projects or companies gets invested in the logo as well, so while the logo changes of Apple and Debian may not be of particular interest for some of us, I see no reason why such news shouldn't be on slashdot.
  24. Re:Apple in two by DaleBob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah... what's that line supposed to be anyway?

    What I really want to know is why I don't see my eyeball in the reflection when I put my face up to the screen...

  25. Re:Apple in two by kherr · · Score: 1

    When I first saw this new logo (out of the corner of my eye), I had a moment of alarm as I thought the LCD on my iBook was cracked.

    I didn't like it when Apple went from the rainbow to the solid. But now I like the solid a lot - Jobs was right to change the logo. In time I suppose the new version will grow on me. Or maybe be short-lived. Who knows.

  26. Is it just me... by ihtagik · · Score: 3, Funny

    Or is the Bling Bling fad being taken too far?

    What next, chromed out computer cases with ... never mind.

    1. Re:Is it just me... by NitroPye · · Score: 1
      When i say this article i immedietly searched the comments for the word bling.. so far you were the only one to say it.

      Gearhead: I chromed out my car

      Steve Jobs: I chromed out my logo

    2. Re:Is it just me... by ihtagik · · Score: 1

      Funny, I did the same but no one had said it. Looks like we have bling on the brain!

  27. Trickery? by gerardrj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I keep wondering:
    Apple (well, Steve) hates leaks. He probably fumes over these rumor sites that get leaks from the developer releases of the OS. I've often wondered if Apple might trick the leakers in to giving away their identies.

    AFAIK the developer releases are only available (officially) by logging in to your developer account and downloading the disk images. Perhaps Apple will ship them also, but I just don't know.

    Isn't it possible for Apple to give a slightly different version of the OS to subsets of the developer base? The alterations don't need to be too big really: shifting the window operation buttons a few pixels, changing some text in a few common dialogs/windows, etc. After a few times of doing this and watching which "special" changes are leaked, Apple could terminate the contracts with the leakers.

    Could it be that this small logo change is one of those inconsequential changes thay would be used for such identification?

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    1. Re:Trickery? by geoffspear · · Score: 1

      They could do that, in theory, but they don't. It really wouldn't be worth the effort. For one thing, they'd actually have to serve a different archive of the OS to each person downloading it instead of just one static file to everyone, and the effort of actually going through these minute UI changes to see which developer got the release with which UI element moved over a pixel to compare to a leaked screenshot somewhere would be a nontrivial problem.

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    2. Re:Trickery? by martingunnarsson · · Score: 1

      That sound like lots and lots of work to me. They could just add an on-the-fly watermark to some graphics that are likely to appear in screenshots, like the about box, to identify the leaker.
      Perhaps that's what they have done?

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  28. Re:well... by outZider · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, no, no. That was the Commodore PET. The Commodore 64 never had that bug. Common misconception, since the 64 was the more popular of the bunch.

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  29. Re:UPS envy? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    hey moderators scoring this offtopic - take a look at the new UPS logo and the new Apple logo. OK?

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  30. Re:well... by babbage · · Score: 3, Funny
    I had a friend who ran a program which turned out to be a trojan horse of sorts and it did just this, toasting his Commodore.

    Yeah, but that was like 20 years ago at this point. Surely he can't still be bitter about it, can he?

    Man, some people can hold a grudge...

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  31. Re:beware of apple's "warranty" by Alcimedes · · Score: 1

    so let me get this straight.

    you took the machine apart, you played around with the internal hardware. after playing with the fans originally the heatsink was extremely hot and that machine wouldn't run. rather than take that as a good sign to stop what you're doing and go back, you decided to continue blindly forward.

    yeah, you've done some work before on machines, but didn't the fact that the heatsink was burning hot clue you in that something was seriously wrong?

    so now you take apart the heatsinks and replace those. fast forward three days and it's borked.

    why would they cover that? you take it apart, you break it. why would they fix it?

  32. This logo has been around since the iMac G4 by lowmagnet · · Score: 1

    I confirmed this by moving my screen. Yes, there it is: A chrome Apple logo. I think people are just getting a bit too excited about something that has been in place for 1.5 years. Also, some Apple vendors use a mirrored logo as well.

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  33. One more logo... with a Jobs finish by didlybom · · Score: 1

    Same shape, slightly distorted finish... ;-)

  34. What this really means... by RaycerX · · Score: 1

    The chrome logo is not an indication of the future direction of Apple's hardware design.

    It is an indication of the GUI changes we will be seeing in the final release of Panther. The watery "Aqua" interface is giving way to the new liquid metal or "Mercury" interface.

  35. It's no big deal. by YouHaveSnail · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple has been using different versions of its logo for as long as I can remember. Even back when they used the 7-color "rainbow" logo, they also used simpler, monochromatic versions on promotional literature, documentation, some business cards, t-shirts, etc.

    It did seem significant to many of us when Apple dropped the rainbow logo in favor of a solid one. Apple was changing, and we were afraid that its spirit of playful innovation would be lost in the corporate shuffle. We were relieved to find over time that playful innovation remained despite the logo change, and that the new logo brought with it a number of products that the general public wanted to buy. I guess we'd forgotten that years before, when Apple dropped the Cupertino font in favor of Apple Garamond in its logo, the sky also hadn't fallen.

    The fact that Apple decided to put a version of its logo rendered in chrome in the about box of a product that hasn't even been released yet doesn't feel like a significant change. After all, there's a version of the logo rendered in shiny blue in my menu bar right now, and the G4-based iMacs have always had a shiny metalic Apple logo. It's a minor change that may or may not stick around for a while.

    The one thing you can bet on is that even if it sticks, this change is not permanent: Apple will change its logo anytime it feels it needs to freshen up its corporate image. All companies do this to some degree.

    If you ask me, the company that has the most fun with its logo is Google.

  36. OS X is getting FASTER each version by MarcQuadra · · Score: 3, Informative

    OS X has been getting faster and faster with each version. The reasoning is that the entire system is built with GCC, which has been getting better PowerPC optimization since Apple began contributing. Panther is built with gcc-3.3 (right now), which includes improved support for the PowerPC line, and DFA support for defining pipelines (better optimization/register usage).

    Also, the core of the OS was native to x86, so I'm sure they keep finding bits and pieces that are optimized for that architecture and rewriting them.

    Not to mention that the libraries are all very 'young' and Apple is dealing with a LOT of uncharted territory (for Apple, at least) with prelinking and UNIX in general.

    I'd expect the trend to continue for quite a while, GCC-3.4 should bring us even more optimization, and I'm sure Apple engineers have a LOT of stones left to turn over.

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  37. You say, "I'm not a Mac user." by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And, "I don't really care much for OS X."

    How does that qualify you to judge so harshly then?

    Apple has innovated and Apple has refined. Apple has steered the market.

    Apple released the iPod, and the iTunes Music Store. What is the value in that? How about the fact that Dell, in comparison, now sees that as something worth emulating with their newly announced music device? Or that MusicMatch just announced their own music download service with terms amazingly similar to the iTMS. Sure Apple wasn't *first*. Apple doesn't have to be first in *everything* to be a guiding market force.

    Things Apple *is* first on, though, since Jobs came back:
    Desktop video, literally. A DV camcorder, a Mac, and iMovie.
    Desktop DVD. The above, plus a DVD-R. There were no affordable, easy, or reliable solutions to either, beforehand. The closest was Adobe Premiere, to iMovie, and that *sucked*. Now there are lots of workalikes and competitive software, but not 5 years ago!

    Things Apple aren't fist, but still important:
    Easy to use music device, the iPod. At the time the alternatives were huge and heavy (Creative Nomad) or hard to use (Nomad or Archos) or low quality and capacity (Rio). Now we have better Nomads, better Archos, better Rio Karmas, etc. Competition makes a better market for everyone!
    Easy to use music service, iTMS. At the time there was eMusic, which offered little in the way of mainstream, and Rhapsody and Pressplay, which weren't very consumer friendly. Now that Apple has shown that music can be *profitable*, we have MusicMatch, PureTunes, and a bunch of other services revamping their business models because of Apple. Again, competition!

    Everything else is just about fit and finish and making the customer 'happy'. iBooks, PowerBooks, PowerMacs, none of it is revolutionary, all of it is evolutionary... but Mac owners seem to be happier; less remote exploits, less viruses, prettier interface, prettier hardware, easier to use, cleaner interface, simpler to learn, 'just works mantra'... Things that make people like computing, and make them want to buy more of it. This naturally extends to the iPod and iTMS, and why those two have succeeded when competitors aren't so... prosperous.

    So you can feel free not to think Apple is doing anything special... but I expect a change in the music industry, music downloads, and music distribution thanks to Apple. Very soon I think we'll see the same with video, again to Apple, and a huge influx of indie movie folk, again because of Apple.

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  38. Re:now Apple is bitten AND cracked by alex_ant · · Score: 1

    Yes, BeOS, they will install an OS that's been dead for 2 years on these new Macs. And everybody is clamoring to be able to run Linux on PowerPC. Literally everyone, I mean, go to Best Buy and interview people and they're like "You know, this Emachines thing is nice and all, but you know, god damn, I wish Steve Jobs would just release a PowerPC Mac running Linux already for chrissakes." It's obvious that this PPC hardware division would be a smashing success with OS X running on x86! Retard

  39. Re: that would be correct by alex_ant · · Score: 1

    More than a few people in "the community" have made it over 6 months without brushing their teeth or washing themselves. I would say that is pretty much unsurpassed in Apple-land.

  40. Mirror Like Logo by wiggi · · Score: 1

    I received my new 20" Cinema display last wednesday to go with my new DP G5, the logo on this display back aand front has a 100% reflective surface, the same as a mirror.

    This is different from my 15" display and my 22" at work which has the grey graduated apple logo. The only other noticable difference is that it dosn't have the dark grey band around the edge of the frame.

    My new display has the model number A1038. I don't have access to another 20" model to verify if this an update to the standard display or if they were all produced this way.

    Can anyone out there with a 20" display, let us know what their logo looks like.

  41. For those who care... by momus_radar · · Score: 2, Informative

    or for those who don't but are willing to click some links and read some pages, Macnyt has made an attempt to provide a relatively complete history of the Apple logo.

  42. Chrome apple replacing the blue X by rhetland · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that the big difference is that the chrome apple will replace the big blue X in everything.

    I guess they are getting ready for when the go to version 11.

  43. Re:Apple in two by Phroggy · · Score: 1

    What I really want to know is why I don't see my eyeball in the reflection when I put my face up to the screen...

    You have to buy the iSight to get that feature. Costs extra. ;-)

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  44. Re:well... by amanpatelhotmail.com · · Score: 1
    Has anyone looked at the OS 10.3's Logo yet?

    I quote from the stroy: "It has the same shape but has a chrome finish."

  45. Re:well... by humster66 · · Score: 1

    So I'm not the only one who misses the old rainbow apple then. Sad to see it go for a colder look, that seems to match the more corporate company Apple has become. Still got some great products though.

  46. "The effect is a lot like chrome female robots" by Zhe+Mappel · · Score: 1
    Really?

    God knows, it's time somebody based their company logo on this special lady.

  47. Re: that would be correct by rowanxmas · · Score: 1

    This is the "Apple" part of /. FWIW.

  48. Editors don't even RTFA? by n6mod · · Score: 1

    There's an image of the new logo in the article. It's a sad day indeed when the editors (sic) don't even read the articles.

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  49. You keep talking... by Xenex · · Score: 1

    You keep talking, but you don't seem to be saying anything.