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Oscar Screener Ban to be Revoked for Academy Members

bigjocker writes "Yahoo is reporting that the ban to distribute screeners copies will be revoked. The bad news is that only members of the Academy will receive them." It's still unclear how this will affect events such as the Golden Globe awards. According to the article, several critics' organisations have yet to decide their reaction. I'm guessing that at the least, Academy members are pleased to know they won't have to find a theatre to screen award nominees.

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  1. Bad News? by WEFUNK · · Score: 5, Funny

    The bad news is that only members of the Academy will receive them."

    Don't feel so bad, I know this academy member who always makes a few copies for his friends...

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    1. Re:Bad News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why they're researching individual watermarking technologies so they can pinpoint exactly the source of a leak.

  2. Academy Members Spared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    shouldn't that read "academy members will be pleazed to know that they too wont have to get on Kazaa to see the movies?"

  3. Imagine the horror by AvantLegion · · Score: 2, Funny
    Thank God the poor Academy members have been spared the torture of going to public theaters!

    Imagine how hard it would be to judge moving dramas with the welfare mother 2 rows behind them, yelling "callete! callete!" at her 11 screaming kids. Not to mention the fat redneck guy in the row in front of you, taking up 2 seats (exposed butt-crack nested on the unmoveable arm rest). How could anyone enjoy a movie like that?

    Actually, this experience seems familiar...

    1. Re:Imagine the horror by falcon5768 · · Score: 1

      ah yes but would you like to see legaly blonde win best movie!!! since the viewers couldnt see a good indie movie at the local Lowes so only went to the major motion pictures instead

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    2. Re:Imagine the horror by kfg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, and they're also spared having to decide what to vote for when many of the movies under consideration can't be seen in a movie theater within hundreds of miles of where they live.

      There are more catagories than "Best Big Stupid Blockbuster."

      A lot of Academy members are just working shlubs too. Wives, kids, toilets that don't flush but roofs that do. They don't necessarily have time to go traipsing around looking for obscure films that even the art houses stopped showing months ago, but they can pop a DVD in the player a few nights a week after getting the kiddies to bed.

      Not distributing screeners is not only dumb, it's pointless for avoiding piracy. Hell, most of the stuff is in the wild already.

      KFG

    3. Re:Imagine the horror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      go kill yourself. you are fucking religishitty

    4. Re:Imagine the horror by t0ny · · Score: 1
      Why dont they just make the films available for viewing via the internet?

      Oh wait, Kazaa already does that...

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  4. In unrelated news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Free disks of Kazaa Ultimate Edition were sent to each Academy member's house by a group of anonymous benevolent cowards.

  5. Im not even really sure what the hell by butane_bob2003 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    this is about. or why I posted this response. I dont think i really care what this is about either, i'm just not sure why this was posted at all. This is probably the first time I can remember having absolutely no clue what story on slashdot is about.

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    1. Re:Im not even really sure what the hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      Dear Ask slashdot:

      I'm working on a sceince project and I need your help. What's the best way to integrate a fleshlight into some sort of robotic goat build from LEGO Technics(tm)? Should I use Ruby or Prel to program it with true live-goat action?

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    2. Re:Im not even really sure what the hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Pearl, you idiot.

    3. Re:Im not even really sure what the hell by butane_bob2003 · · Score: 1

      I'm beginning to think this has something to do with the oscars and piracy. At which point my eyes glassed over and I returned to work.

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    4. Re:Im not even really sure what the hell by uberdave · · Score: 4, Informative

      In order to win an academy award, your movie must be seen by the people who vote on such things. It was customary to send these people a "screener", in other words, a copy of the movie (usually on DVD) that they can watch at their leisure. The MPAA, in an effort to reduce theft on the high seas and kidnapping, (yes, in addition to "piracy", they are now referring to "illegally abducted films"), had put a ban on screeners. This ban meant that the only way a movie could be seen by the voting membership was in the theatres. This would make the voting unfair, since foreign films, and indie films, and "art" films rarely make it into the local movie theatres. That ban has, in part, been lifted, freeing the way for quality movies to win the awards that would otherwise have been restricted to the mind numbing blockbuster.

    5. Re:Im not even really sure what the hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You should write your program using assembly to get truly live goat action.
      Of course in my day we clocked in the binary machine code by hand.

    6. Re:Im not even really sure what the hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ban would make it harder to pirate DVD-quality rips of movies that are still in the theater. That's the one and only reason this story appears on this site.

  6. what about non-academy critics? by rc27 · · Score: 1

    What about critics who aren't members of the academy? Having a small, closed group of people be the only ones with access to screeners isn't much of a solution.

  7. Re:Do you want to know what I think about this? by falcon5768 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    you should, the reasoning behind why they banned them in the first place put the blame on us Technology geeks, cause we where illegaly trading DVD's with friends of the movies.

    Now we all know the real reason was cause they where pissed off indies where winning on a regular basis cause major motion pictures have sucked balls in recent years, but to have the blame put on us cause we where the easiest target and couldn't fight back against the MPAA (the people who decided this) it became us as the bad guys who where the cause of indie movies not being able to be allowed to send out DVD's to the voters

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  8. Solution to piracy.. by kevin_conaway · · Score: 0

    I know this has been mentioned before but ill repeat it because I believe it to be true. No one will never, repeat NEVER, stop piracy. The solution is to make the movies (or any product for that matter) actually worth paying for. Most movies have gone up in price (as have the actors pricetags) and down in quality. People are tired of it. Even if youre going to keep making crappy movies, at least show some other cool stuff in the theaters (maybe a behind the scenes type of thing for 30 mins after the movie ends?) Anyway, if you have a good product, people will pay for it

    1. Re:Solution to piracy.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever hear of a double Negative?

    2. Re:Solution to piracy.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I ain't never heard o' one dem buggers.

    3. Re:Solution to piracy.. by Talinom · · Score: 1

      No, the solution to piracy of movies is to produce a product so bad that people will bitch if they actually watched it (I mean ask for their TIME as well as their money). Try to cram both of the least worst scenes into the trailer so people will not think that it is total garbage, and make money off of the first weekend only.

      When it does come out, selectivly paraphrase quotes (and misquotes), such as:

      "This is this biggest (thing) to hit the movie screen ever."
      "This movie should not be tossed aside lightly!"
      "How can people...watch this...and not think to themselves...AMAZING!"

      Gee, if movies ever get to that point I'll probably stop watching them in the theaters and get the reviews from all of my friends first.

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    4. Re:Solution to piracy.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the epidemic of "bad movies" lately is due at least in part by sour grapes. "The MPAA is nothing but an association of fat cats.. oh yeah and their movies suck too! Oh yeah, and P2P better be legal so I can steal their movies without paying, yeah!" But wait a second, I thought the movies these days are so bad nobody would want to steal them. Whatever. Keep blowing smoke out of your ass you slashturds.

  9. You just gotta wonder by JWW · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What they are going to say when movies are leaked now? It will happen.

    The movie industry will have to fess up that some of the most respected people in their industry are in fact IP theives. Just like they want to paint everyone else to be. It'll be fun to watch.

    1. Re:You just gotta wonder by smack_attack · · Score: 1

      They will do the dance of the hypocrite.

      Dance Limbaugh Dance.

    2. Re:You just gotta wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My bet's on Charleton Heston being one of the skaliewags!

    3. Re:You just gotta wonder by fishbowl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >What they are going to say when movies are
      >leaked now? It will happen.

      It will be funny, too. I'm willing to bet the "leaker" turns out not only to be an insider, but one that nobody will have the guts to criticize (much less, prosecute.)

      I think the fact that zero-day (or even negative) warez'd movies are available AT ALL, is an indicator of dissent within the ranks of the industry.

      I'd have a good laugh if it turned out the whole thing was Valenti's henchmen playing both sides against the middle, too.

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    4. Re:You just gotta wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need to fess up. Those respected people can just pretend that someone stole their copy without their knowledge.

    5. Re:You just gotta wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The movie industry will have to fess up that some of the most respected people in their industry are in fact IP theives.

      You'd be amazed at how many Academy members there are that receive screeners. I have a couple friends who are virtual nobodys that receive them just because there are a member of the Screen Actors Guild or Writers Guild

    6. Re:You just gotta wonder by Snaller · · Score: 1

      What they are going to say when movies are leaked now?

      Told ya!

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    7. Re:You just gotta wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will happen? There are plenty of movies you can download right now that flash "FOR ACADEMY CONSIDERATION ONLY - DO NOT DUPLICATE" at the bottom of the screen. Obviously, someone in the academy didn't wasn't paying attention. However, I haven't heard of anyone "fessing up" or even being caught. So if they can't catch one of their own, I guess the paranoiacs can rest assured there isn't a magic watermark that individually identifies your DVD.

  10. They should watermark them. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The accademy should (quietly) distribute watermarked copies - with individual watermarks - to the members - and then take action against the responsible member(s) if the material ends up on the black market.

    It's the height of hypocracy to swat at unauthorized copiers among the customer base in such a way as to create massive colateral damage among non-violators while simultaneously giving the industry insiders immunity.

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    1. Re:They should watermark them. by cK-Gunslinger · · Score: 4, Informative

      What a great idea and insightful idea!

      From the article (emphasis mine):

      The studios reportedly agreed to send out VHS screeners (recipients previously had a choice between VHS and DVD) encrypted with a special security code traceable to individual Academy members. (Such a move will, presumably, keep the likes of Steven Spielberg (news) from cranking out a few extra copies and selling them on eBay.)

    2. Re:They should watermark them. by OneFix+at+Work · · Score: 1

      They've already tried this and they just blur out the codes. You can't really put an image across the screen that takes away from the visual effect of the film, and by the same token, you don't want tones on the audio track that take away from the soundstage. Any watermark would simply be useless in the longrun.

    3. Re:They should watermark them. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      The studios reportedly agreed to send out VHS screeners (recipients previously had a choice between VHS and DVD) encrypted with a special security code traceable to individual Academy members.

      I guess that'll teach me to RTFA. B-)

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    4. Re:They should watermark them. by Dodger-NZL · · Score: 1

      Lets see...
      The Blur is 5 minutes and 30 seconds into the movie, that means that member X leaked this film...

      I guess you could remove a few frames to change the time stamp though =/
      but if the watermarks are placed at 5,8,10 etc minute intervals it may be hard to remove.

    5. Re:They should watermark them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      =P I just happened to be reading both your post and that part of the article at the same time. Lucky you!

    6. Re:They should watermark them. by jimmcq · · Score: 1

      The accademy should (quietly) distribute watermarked copies - with individual watermarks - to the members

      The problem is that it is very costly to make individualized discs rather than mass-produced copies. That would be fine if there were a handful of members, but AFAIK there are thousands of Academy members.

    7. Re:They should watermark them. by cK-Gunslinger · · Score: 1

      Lets see...
      The Blur is 5 minutes and 30 seconds into the movie, that means that member X leaked this film...

      I guess you could remove a few frames to change the time stamp though =/
      but if the watermarks are placed at 5,8,10 etc minute intervals it may be hard to remove.


      Read this

      A common misconception is that there are just these ~10 'Academy Gods' that grant worthiness to movies. The academy is a semi-diverse group of over 5000 members in the film-making industry.

    8. Re:They should watermark them. by cgenman · · Score: 1

      I tend to think that a "special security code" would make the copy more valuable, as it becomes a one of a kind (or a knockoff of a one of a kind).

      I'd pay good money for a screener of Jurassic Park verifiably sent to Stephen Spielberg.

    9. Re:They should watermark them. by stephanruby · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You can't really put an image across the screen that takes away from the visual effect of the film, and by the same token, you don't want tones on the audio track that take away from the soundstage. Any watermark would simply be useless in the longrun.

      An "image"? You only need to change the shade of ONE pixel in the entire movie to make a unique watermark. In that situation, hackers will be able to reconstruct the original movie if they have access to multiple watermarked copies of the same movie.

      So assuming we have 1000 Oscar Members, the real solution would be to watermark 1000 pixels and to have 999 identical overlapping watermarks accross multiple copies of the movie. This way, everytime a hacker runs into a tainted pixel, he will be fooled into thinking it was in the original movie.

    10. Re:They should watermark them. by placeclicker · · Score: 1

      You've gotta admit, the MPAA is Much more clever then the RIAA. While the RIAA went the brute force\stupid route of asking to be able to hack or DDoS P2P networks, the MPAA went a (imho) brillant route. They individually marked movies with dots in a single frame or two, to determine what theater it came from. All this from the **AA group that was losing the least to piracy.
      They probably will follow their trend of watermarking copies of movies.

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    11. Re:They should watermark them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the warez people will use 2 different sources and splice them together.

    12. Re:They should watermark them. by RollingThunder · · Score: 1

      It certainly costs a LOT less than they're claiming the zero-day piracy is costing them.

      Therefore, they can't complain. Spending $100 to save $10000 is a good idea in any book.

    13. Re:They should watermark them. by GMontag451 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      An "image"? You only need to change the shade of ONE pixel in the entire movie to make a unique watermark.

      Riight. And that one changed pixel is going to stay there when rippers reencode to SVCD or DivX while changing resolutions and bitrates. Sheesh.

    14. Re:They should watermark them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd pay even more for one sent to Steven Spielberg :)

    15. Re:They should watermark them. by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      You're right. One pixel watermarks won't do for low quality duplicates.

  11. Re:what about non-academy critics? by Chris+Parrinello · · Score: 1

    Actually I don't think ANY critics are members of the Academy since the Academy is for the creative and technical people who make the movies but I could be wrong.

  12. Re:This just in... by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 1

    This just in - who gives a fuck?

    I'll tell you who does : the legions of people who download those screeners on P2P. They are the true big losers of this decision.

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  13. Don't Panic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Everybody, I've got two Academy insiders working for my organization, and they're hooked up with fresh copies of DVD2DIVX, so don't you fret.

    We also have a backup plan whereby we stakeout academy members' houses with laptops+DVDROMS and "borrow" their DVDs for a couple mins when they arrive in the mail. We're working on getting the postal workers on the payroll next to make this easier.

    l33tboyz always delivers the screeners. Arrrr!

  14. Re:Do you want to know what I think about this? by ozric99 · · Score: 1
    I don't fucking care.

    Ahh! So it's you who calls those premium rate voting lines and votes for Don't Know.

  15. Copying Movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's see 9 bucks to get into the movie theater and 15 to 17 minutes of commercials that I just got suckered into paying to see.

    I do not feel bad for these very greedy people.

  16. Not True by use_compress · · Score: 1

    Academy members are pleased to know they won't have to find a theatre to screen award nominees.

    They can always see my friend Rob who runs his business out of a Ryder van on 4th and D. He's planning on having an Academy member special.

  17. A man, a plan, a canal... by Ignominious+Poltroon · · Score: 1

    ...Oscar Screener Ban Plan Scrapped. I think it has to do with Oscar Meyer hot dog scraps being banned at awards festivals.

    1. Re:A man, a plan, a canal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, I wish I was an Oscar Meyer screener...

      (got nothing)

  18. At least... by DarkBlackFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At least the MPAA is taking a more consumer-friendly approach to it's piracy problem. No matter what they do, I applaud them for not caving in to the level of the RIAA by sending supoenas to their consumer base.

    1. Re:At least... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Actually, the MPAA might not be sueing, but the individual companies sure are, an example email quite many users have already recieved from their ISP's:


      Dear Sir or Madam:

      BayTSP, Inc. ("BayTSP") swears under penalty of perjury that
      Paramount Pictures Corporation ("Paramount") has authorized
      BayTSP to act as its agent for copyright infringement
      notification. BayTSP's search of the protocol listed below has
      detected infringements of Paramount's copyright interests on your
      IP addresses as detailed in the attached report.

      Infringed Work: Italian Job, The
      Infringing FileName: The.Italian.Job.DVDRiP.XViD-DEiTY
      Infringing FileSize: 1468203209
      Protocol: BitTorrent
      Infringers IP Address: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
      Infringer's User Name: None
      Infringement Timestamp: xx Oct 2003 xx:xx:xx GMT

      Protocol kan be Kazaa too, or Usenet, or whatever.
      I wonder why this has not gotten more attention .. is it a hoax perhaps?
    2. Re:At least... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Infringement Timestamp: xx Oct 2003 xx:xx:xx GMT

      Smart move, editing out the date and time. Wouldn't want that little tidbit of info to give you away.

    3. Re:At least... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smart move, editing out the date and time. Wouldn't want that little tidbit of info to give you away.

      Actually, that's not me (wouldn't want to see that movie anyways).. but they could determine the person through the timestamp :P

    4. Re:At least... by brianosaurus · · Score: 1

      Uh, did you see the article about the "Broadcast Flag"? (If not, i'm sure CmdrTaco will repost it in a few hours ;)

      So far movie downloads haven't "caused" as much of a "problem" as music downloads have. The MPAA is a few steps behind the RIAA because online movie trading is still a relatively small "problem" (primarily, they say, because of limited bandwidth... even over a cablemodem, it could take, perhaps, days to download a movie, or so i've heard or whatever).

      The MPAA is trying to "nip it in the bud" by using some sort of "technology" that will make it "impossible" to record an HDTV stream (or something very close to that). They're punishing end-user-type consumers (ie. you and me) as a preemptive strike against a non-existant problem (see VCRs, the associated disputed, and the ultimate lack of any negative impact to the movie industry as a market precedence).

      The real pirates (Yaaaarrrrr!) don't care what is legal and what is not. They'll create HDTV receivers that ignore the broadcast flag and record stuff anyway. Or they'll just keep doing the the "old fashioned" way and put a video camera (or vcr or capture card) in front of their TV (or from a video out), record a mediocre to decent to pretty much good enough copy that they'll mass produce in some foreign country and sell anyway.

      What the MPAA, RIAA and the lawmakers that "support" them, don't seem to understand is that a good portion of the law abiding, happy, wanting-so-hard-to-be-cool public is going to buy their CDs and DVDs and pay their exhorbitant ticket prices (i can almost guarantee i'll be there midnight or whatever is the first showing of the Matrix 3, even though I fully expect it to suck.. no way those guys can nail it 3 times!) no matter what.

      They need to suck it up, return one of their Bentley's and get a grip. Look how many Britney Spears albums sell, and she has next to no talent (and any "talent" she has now will surely be sagging 10 years from now). Eminem sells a zillion albums and gets away with making fun of his high school bullys. The RIAA's "losses" have been traced back to their own issues: fewer new releases, more focus on formulaic pop crap, payola-esque payments to ClearChannel for playing, i mean "promoting," songs on the (get this!) radio, and probably more issues unrelated to mass piracy by the american public.

      The MPAA is currently (very short term, it seems) still being consumer friendly, but they're definitely walking that line pretty tightly right now. They'll be consumer friendly only as long as they don't (wrongly) perceive the consumer as the threat.

      Econ 101: Your consumer IS your market, no matter what your business is. You are supply, they are demand. Piss off demand, and it will find another supply, even if it takes a long, long time.

      But you probably still have time to buy that Bentley.

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    5. Re:At least... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet

    6. Re:At least... by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > the first showing of the Matrix 3, even though I fully expect it to suck.. no way those guys can nail it 3 times!

      Hmmm... Well, considering the quality of the second movie, we just have to hope that they can nail it twice out of three.

  19. Re:Huh? Who cares? by Kufat · · Score: 1

    It has to do with the availability of release-quality pirated (copied, whatever) material.

    Erm, the availability of that material to VERY VERY BAD people whom we should NEVER associate with. Of course.

  20. "The bad news?" by spellcheckur · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "The bad news..."

    Seriously?

    Really, how is this bad news for anyone who isn't trying to steal content? I'm a strong advocate of being able to backup and/or copy things that I have a legal right to. I'm also a strong opponent of "tools" like the DMCA that use corporate fear to try to over-legislate or get rid of technology because it *could be* used to break the law.

    But restricting screeners to academy members is only "bad news" if you were hoping that someone in the wider distribution list was going to copy the movies and distribute.

    Espousing piracy significantly weakens an anti-MPAA stance. In fact, it plays right into the pro-MPAA argument saying "the only reason people want the ability to copy is so they can pirate."

    If you're against the MPAA's position on heavy-handed anti-technology legislation, I'm with you. If you're only in it because you want to steal some stuff... coun't me out.

    1. Re:"The bad news?" by angryelephant · · Score: 1

      you took the words right out of my mouth. every comment made like that completely invalidates a few dozen articles relating to corporations are stripping us of our personal freedoms.

    2. Re:"The bad news?" by jimmcq · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Really, how is this bad news for anyone who isn't trying to steal content?

      For a lot of independant films (or just about any film that doesn't come from one of the major mega-corporate studios) the screeners are just about the only way that they get seen by the Academy members. So, this is really bad news for indpendant film makers whom have won a lot of awards in the past because screeners allowed more voters to actually see their films.

    3. Re:"The bad news?" by spellcheckur · · Score: 1
      Yes, but as the article (and, indeed the summary) indicates... the news here is that the screener ban has been lifted. Screeners ARE going to go out, but only to academy members.

      If it's too much effort to read the article, at least read the summary. If it's too much effort to read the summary, don't post.

    4. Re:"The bad news?" by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 1

      But what happens when the movie goes to DVD? How about the fact that most of these are foreign films that would have gotten popular through other channels long before reaching US shores and having a shot at an American award?

      This doesn't matter. They will just make it harder to pirate. The end result, the films will bring on as much of a view base as they did before -- they just won't be as popular as quickly with the mainstream. Fine by me!

      You warez kiddies wear too thin a veil in this department.

    5. Re:"The bad news?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can give the screeners to academy members for award consideration, but if they give it to anyone else (a promoter, critic, theatres, Golden Globe voter, etc., etc.), they will be ineligible for an Oscar. Just another example of one group using their influence to muscle out the little guy using whatever means necessary. In this case it's an anti-piracy witch hunt.

      If they really wanted to stop piracy, they should uniquely watermark each DVD and have it scroll through the picture every so often.

    6. Re:"The bad news?" by GlassHeart · · Score: 1
      For a lot of independant films (or just about any film that doesn't come from one of the major mega-corporate studios) the screeners are just about the only way that they get seen by the Academy members.

      Ideally, any Academy member who has not seen every nominee should abstain from voting. Thus, the presence or absence screener DVDs would affect the number of members voting, but not the actual decision except in rare cases. In this ideal world, the problem you point out doesn't really exist.

      The problem is, without screener DVDs, members are actually voting without seeing the less popular films at all. But who cares what this sort of people think about a film, with or without screeners? These people are why the Oscar picks basically resemble commercial successes.

    7. Re:"The bad news?" by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      But what happens when the movie goes to DVD?

      How many independent films go to DVD at all? Without an Academy nomination, how many fewer will go to DVD?

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    8. Re:"The bad news?" by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 1

      They all do. When a film fails in a theater, somtimes this is the only way to generate any revenue.

      A lot of films flop simply because they have no advertising, or bad advertising. Once it hits the local Blockbuster, then it has years to recoup the losses.

      Same goes with independent films..

  21. "For your consideration" by finkployd · · Score: 1, Redundant

    OK, fess up, how many people here have movies that occationally have the subtitle "for your consideration" pop up on them? I know my first copy of The Two Towers did. Granted I bought it as soon as it came out and I will buy the extended edition as well, so I have trouble feeling like an evil pirate (arrrr).

    The point is, where do you think these movies are getting leaked from? :)

    Finkployd

    1. Re:"For your consideration" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a difference between Academy/Golden Globe/etc screeners and screeners being sent out to your local video store clerk in order to decide how many copies, if any, he/she might want to order of this upcoming movie to his/her store once the DVD/VHS release is out. And yes, those screeners will remain even if the Academy Awards screeners have to go.

      And someone, actually, physically sends those screeners out -- and that's not Spielberg sticking those movies to envelopes.

  22. Re:Do you want to know what I think about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yeah, if you want to find an issue for your soapbox, try those freaking patterns of brown dots in movies now. Absolute ass. It's not like the pirate DVD's don't come from China where the people printing them from the studios just do an extra run at night. It's not like the horrible p2p hype-releases don't come from inside the studio.

    Screeners getting DVD's (or not) who cares? They're shitting on public right now.

    We need a new videogame where instead of jacking cars the players hunt down and mercilessly excecute heads of major ass-clown corporations. Then, using the address found with their driver's licence go on to slaughter their families, on principle. After a mission they can high-five, top-ten, and drink mountain dew while playing a bonus snow board stage where Tony Hawk's wife is dancing in a bikini.

  23. Doesn't have anything to do with nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But that's alright, you're no nerd. A nerd is typically good with "technology". A nerd would be able to figure out that he can edit his freaking preferences so that movie, music, or entertainment news DON'T SHOW UP AT HIS HOMEPAGE.

    1. Re:Doesn't have anything to do with nerds by moehoward · · Score: 1

      But I'm very interested in technology as it relates to entertainment. This story is not in any way related to technology. I guess it has to do with Taco not being able to see the next Star Wars before eveyone else, or something.

      It has to do with which media someone uses to review a movie. Wow. Fascinating. Where's the technology angle? Is it a new media or 7 year old technology? Um. I know! 7 year old technology!

      And yes. Reviewers should go to the theater to review the movie. That's the target media for the director. Not a mini-DVD player hauled onto a cross-country flight.

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    2. Re:Doesn't have anything to do with nerds by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 1

      I agree. This is nothing but a "What, my Warez is in danger???" thread. I like all the complaining going on about the artists and their awards. You'd think /. was a bunch of soccer moms upset because Robert Redford didn't win some dumb award for a cameo in an indy flick.

  24. Re:This just in... by KFury · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'll tell you who does : the legions of people who download those screeners on P2P. They are the true big losers of this decision.

    No. The big losers are the ones who don't grok the post. The decision repeals the ban of home copies. This means the P2P folk once again have access to these films.

    So, other than saying that P2P pirates are losers in the first place, you've got it backwards.

  25. Please read before you post "I Dont Care" by falcon5768 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    as usual slashdot never tells you WHY this is tech, well he is the lowdown.

    The reason they banned the DVD's was they said tech geeks where pirating the movies too much when they sent the DVD's out, so likewise to prevent it they wouldnt let anyone (major studios, or indie) release them out to the voters, making the voters go to the local movie theaters to see them.

    The truth was they where putting the blame on us cause we where an easy target, the real reason they banned them was the only way most indie movies got screened and voted on WAS caused they released them on DVD to the voters. The majors pissed they have lost so many oscars to the indies decided what would be the best way to tip the scales and saw the fact that most theaters dont play indies or play them for a very limited time that it was a easy way to get more major films screened and voted on than minor ones.

    SOOOOO all of the big wigs wispered in the ears of the MPAA to get the ban put in place, and the MPAA not caring about the 100 or so indie companies under their wings put the sweaping ban in place much to the horror to all of the critics/indies/directors/and actors who had both not a clue it was going to happen and no say when it did happen.

    Well in protest a huge number of smaller awards shows decided to take the year off, along with the Golden Globes which shocked the MPAA into realizing it made a horrable mistake since not only was the excuse of it was the piraters fault not taken seriously but everyone was now gunning to take the MPAA down including its own members who outnumbered the small majority of major studio members who where in control.

    and thus why we should care, cause while no one took them to be serious, we the Tech geeks where to blam with yet another of lifes problems that really isnt a problem.

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    1. Re:Please read before you post "I Dont Care" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still not sounding very tech to me. More like politics.

    2. Re:Please read before you post "I Dont Care" by falcon5768 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      well its isnt tech in it's self but you should worry about the implications it has.

      already both the RIAA and MPAA have made it clear we are the new whipping- boy evil geek in the basment that they are going to use to both lie as to why thing that should cost 4 bucks or less are 20 bucks or more/ and why they are "losing money even at that."

      one just has to see those FUCKING ads before the movie on how Im hurting the painter, or the brown dots on the screen to see that we need to take a stand and show the public that its not the tech geeks but the own greed of these organizations who are destroying movies and music.

      The public can be easly swayed, and if we are not carefull very soon a lot more of our rights as consumers will be killed off than the ones the DMCA does already.

      The digital age will be a VERY different place from today

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    3. Re:Please read before you post "I Dont Care" by macrom · · Score: 1

      Well in protest a huge number of smaller awards shows decided to take the year off, along with the Golden Globes which shocked the MPAA into realizing it made a horrable mistake

      Are you just spreading FUD, or do you actually have some facts to back up your statements? As far as I've seen, only the L.A. Critics Association cancelled their annual ceremony. I haven't seen anything regarding the Golden Globes or other ceremonies.

    4. Re:Please read before you post "I Dont Care" by SoSueMe · · Score: 1

      ...all of the big wigs wispered in the ears of the MPAA to get the ban put in place

      No, all of the big wigs are the MPAA.

      Movie Producers Association of America

    5. Re:Please read before you post "I Dont Care" by falcon5768 · · Score: 1

      cnn its in entertainment, also aintitcoolnews at one time had a list of a buch that where banning it as well as Harry's rant about how stupid the MPAA was

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    6. Re:Please read before you post "I Dont Care" by falcon5768 · · Score: 1
      well its a mixture, some are big wigs, but not all of them, you dont have to be a producer of a major studio film to join, just a producer of some noted films.

      if you and me got together and produced "The Geek" we could join after paying our fees and such.

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    7. Re:Please read before you post "I Dont Care" by falcon5768 · · Score: 1
      couldn't find the golden globes one but here is the other one I saw on CNN

      from cnn.com

      LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- The Los Angeles Film Critics Association has canceled its 2003 awards to protest an industry ban on sending special DVDs and videos to award voters.

      The association voted Saturday not to hand out the awards, which can boost interest in a film and predict its Oscar chances. Members said they would consider resuming the awards if the studios again hand out videos and DVDs of new films.

      The major studios and their trade group, the Motion Picture Association of America, agreed in September to stop sending "screener" copies to the 5,600 Academy Awards voters and other groups that hand out awards, including the Los Angeles Film Critics and the National Society of Film Critics.

      The studios hoped to prevent piracy, but the decision angered supporters of smaller movies who say voters may miss independent pictures if they have to see them at screenings in theaters. Opponents of the ban say screener distribution has led to several Academy Awards for smaller films, include best actress wins for Halle Berry in 2001's "Monster's Ball" and Hilary Swank in 1999's "Boys Don't Cry."

      Ella Taylor, a critic for LA Weekly, suggested the cancellation and said she hoped other critics groups also would withhold awards. She said there were many films released toward the end of the year, and that voters may not be able to see them all without screeners.

      "Unless they rescind the ban we just don't feel that we can really do our work properly," she said. MPAA officials did not immediately return calls for comment Sunday.

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    8. Re:Please read before you post "I Dont Care" by Saeger · · Score: 1
      So you're saying it was all a conspiracy against the independents who were eating into their Blockbuster pie award-stealing cheapies, eh? Nothing at all to do with them being idiots by actually thinking they could stop the leaks? Damn The Man! Damn him all the way to hell! :)

      <ironic hypocrite>btw - download Whale Rider while it's hot, Hot, HOT!</hypocrite>

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    9. Re:Please read before you post "I Dont Care" by falcon5768 · · Score: 1

      yeah I know a shock, who would have thunk it that the major motion pictures would keep indies from screening instead of maybe improving their own really horrable premise for a craptacular movie.

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    10. Re:Please read before you post "I Dont Care" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's so ironic about a movie released in 2002? The awards are for 2003.

    11. Re:Please read before you post "I Dont Care" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      as usual slashdot never tells you WHY this is tech, well he is the lowdown.

      English, motherfucker, do you speak it?

  26. Oh no! by Dirtside · · Score: 1, Informative
    I'm guessing that at the least, Academy members are pleased to know they won't have to find a theatre to screen award nominees.
    God forbid the people voting on the pictures should have to see them in the environment they were intended to be viewed in. :) Yeah, I know that it's not feasible for every Academy member to see every movie that's nominated in every category... I suppose one solution would be that members would only vote on categories in which they HAD seen all the nominated films. Dunno how you'd enforce that, but I imagine that simply asking them to do so would probably work well enough (modulo members voting for movies that they had some interest in, worked on, really liked, etc.).

    Last year's Oscars had 52 nominated films. You can remove nineteen of those for the two short film categories (five films each), the foreign-language film category (five more films), the documentary feature category (five films), and the documentary short subject category (four films), leaving 33 films for the other categories. (Not to diminish the importance of these categories, but we have to start somewhere.) Most Academy voters will probably already have seen at least half of those 33 films before the nominations are even announced. So having to see another 17 films between the nomination announcement and the end of voting? What a tragedy! To be forced to go watch a bunch of Oscar-nominated films, in order to vote in a big popularity contest. :)

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    1. Re:Oh no! by spellcheckur · · Score: 2, Informative
      Academy voters are already required to vote only in categories in which they've seen all the films. That's what the purpose of screeners (or private screenings) is for: to level the playing field.

      Michael Moore made a huge deal about it last year when he thought he wouldn't win Best Documentary. "Bowling for Columbine" was for a mainstream audience, and not enough "mainstream" voters had seen the others in his category.

      As for enforcement on the policy... no idea.

    2. Re:Oh no! by ncc74656 · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Michael Moore made a huge deal about it last year when he thought he wouldn't win Best Documentary. "Bowling for Columbine" was for a mainstream audience, and not enough "mainstream" voters had seen the others in his category.

      Never mind that it didn't even belong in the documentary category. I thought documentaries were supposed to be about that which is real or true...Bowling for Columbine is neither.

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  27. Great news for independant films. by gatekeep · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Roger Ebert wrote a column about this when the decision to ban screeners was announced. I tend to agree with most of his points, and can't wait to see what he says about this latest turn of events. We should all be happy, and not because this likely means more pirated pre-release copies of movies. No, it means there'll be some degree of fairness and equal exposure in oscar selection.

    As if the major studios don't control hollywood enough, a ban on DVD distribution would have killed most independant studios chances of even being considered for an oscar.

    Movies with limited distribution, and fewer available numbers of prints would've been shut out in favor of those which can afford advertising, and set up screenings at enough locations that a significant portion of the academy could view them.

    This move at least allows some degree of fairness. All movies have the chance of being viewed by all screeners, regardless of who distributes or produces them. It's still not perfect, but it's much better this way.

    1. Re:Great news for independant films. by mcSey921 · · Score: 1

      Ebert's solution is simple and correct. Major studios don't need to send out DVD's if they don't want to. Would anyone have had a tough time finding a place to see Gladiator?

      If the majors choose not to promote their films via the free distribution of DVDs, fine, but why should all studios be forced to promote their movies in the same way?

  28. one solution... by seriv · · Score: 1

    Bring racketeering charges agianst the MPAA. Only way to stop them for good.
    -Seriv

  29. Re:Do you want to know what I think about this? by falcon5768 · · Score: 4, Funny
    yeah you know what ruined Kill Bill for me

    seeing those dots every FUCKING TWO MINUTES ON THE SCREEN WHEN I JUST SPENT 20 FUCKING DOLLARS OF MY HARD EARNED MONEY FROM FIXING COMPUTERS THAT SOME SHITHEAD PRE -K'ER FUCKING STUCK GUM IN WHEN I COULD HAVE WAITED 6 MONTHS AND BOUGHT A MUCH NICER UNMOLESTED DVD.

    k done ranting

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  30. L.A. Critics Call Off Awards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
  31. Ah, the acadamy... by TrippTDF · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There was a teacher at my college that was a member of the academy, and every Oscar season he would show all the nominees back to back in the school's screening room. He'd start showing them at 7 or so and we would not be done until like, 4 or later.

    Man, I miss college.

  32. Still unclear... by DarkHand · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's still unclear how this will affect events such as the Golden Globe awards.

    It's also still unclear how this will affect events such as downloading your favorite movie. :)

    1. Re:Still unclear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that's the one thing that is clear. It won't.

      That said, who cares, I didn't pay ten bucks to have those child raping bitches flash brown dots at me. They must be killed. The Final Solution is the Only solution.

  33. I'll show you my horror if you show me yours. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're are idiots. The acadamy has nearly lost all shred of appearing to once have been able to pretend it had credibility.

    It's shocking and more than a little pathetic that the movie awards show with any dignity is the MTV movie awards.

    Now I'm sure Mystic River, which is a better than fair, but no where near great, movie will recieve plenty of gushing adulation. Which it doesn't deserve. Ohh the slightly melodramatic, "for your Oscar consideration," look ma' it's artsy, overacting, it's full of stars!

    If those ass-clowns overlook the grandfather and especially little girl from Whalerider, they might as well let Howard Stern and Kevin Smith Fans fight each other in a battle-royal where the last "man" standing picks the winners. Naturally, they'll still have Whoopi and Billy Crystal introduce stars to introduce the winners. But this time they'll have She/He and Billy strangling little kittens and puppies with their bare hands (occasionally drowning them in water) to make it funnier. And it will be 11 hours long (although it may run over).

  34. BINGO - by emptybody · · Score: 1

    Tell me why they are not already watermarked.
    It would not be so hard to watermark a seperate serialnumber into each copy sent out - there is a very limited number of screeners right? under 1000?

    it cannot be that hard to do.

    Then you bust the screeners who screw you.
    Done.

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    1. Re:BINGO - by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 1

      They can't put it on the subtitle/angle tracks or they'd just get removed during the rip. Which only leaves actual messing with the MPEG encoded video.

      I suppose someone could create a MPG "tweaker" to just decompress/watermark/recompress select blocks on the encoded files to serialize them, but it would be expensive, and would mean DVD-R'ing every disc (compatibility issues, far more expensive production)

      Interestingly enough, I saw "Kill Bill" last night, and although I really enjoyed the movie, Miramax's watermarking of the image (red-dot patterns appearing for a frame or two during the movie) was very evident.

      They better be careful, if they tamper with my moviegoing experience, I will not be seeing their new releases in the theatre. Putting red dots all over a movie that I've paid $10 or more to see practically guarantees that I won't be in the audience.

      I'll either wait to see it on DVD, or...

      N.

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    2. Re:BINGO - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or... what? Well? Don't keep us in suspense.

  35. Re:Do you want to know what I think about this? by stoolpigeon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I first read about those on /. I thought "this will be another subtle little thing that I will never notice" I'm just not one of those people who picks up on all the little nuances of media quality - be it audio or visual.

    I was so wrong.

    At kill bill - there were times, like when they popped up on the blue background of a fight scene that was all about visuals, that I nearly screamed. I was so annoyed and distracted I could not stay on track with the movie. And we are talking about a basic martial arts/action film. Not something real cerebral. If this is how films will be from now on - I am not going to the theater any more.

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  36. Stuff that matters? by vpetersen · · Score: 1

    How does this stuff applies to nerds? I don't see how it matters. All news outlets, online or dead tree ones, are already saturated with hollywood related junk.

    1. Re:Stuff that matters? by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      Not all nerds are unemployed computer programmers.

      I happen to be an audio nerd. One of the my dream jobs would be foley work for film. Of course, after I've gone on record with my feelings toward Jack Valenti*, I'll never work in Hollywood *OR* DC. Oh well.

      Stories about the film industry matter to me.

      * Valenti should have taken the bullet, not Kennedy. He benefitted the most, and longest, of everyone who was in the motorcade that day.

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  37. Re:Do you want to know what I think about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, I'd buy that game in a heartbeat--especailly if it came with a cupons for MountianDew, and 10% off a SPAS-12.

  38. Re:I Dont Care by falcon5768 · · Score: 1

    well to each his own then, cant make you care, but if more serious steps are taken against us in the future by these assholes just know the entire geek community has the rights to say I told you so now.

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  39. Re:Do you want to know what I think about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every movie I have seen since that abomination The Medallion, where I thought they were some sort of random ass editing mark, has had them.

  40. Screeners sell movies by Unregistered · · Score: 1

    I have to say that leaked screeners sell movies. Before i could download movies, i never bought one. Downloading a movie si the only way i decide what movies are worth spending $20 on.

  41. can anyone say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    can anyone say "embedded serial numbers"

  42. Quentin Tarantino by A1miras · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was listening to a morning show in LA when Quentin Tarantino was on, and I thought he made an interesting point. He basically said that it hasn't been all that long that people have been receiving dvd screeners. When they asked for a copy of Pulp Fiction he was greatly insulted. He said something to the effect of "Are you kidding me? IT'S STILL IN THE F-ING THEATRES. I don't want him sitting at home doing laundry and having his kids asking him to drive them to their friends house while John Trovolta's blowing some guys head off."

    Please note that's a very rough translation from memory.

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    1. Re:Quentin Tarantino by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to wonder how that movie lost best picture to Forrest Gump....maybe this explains why.

    2. Re:Quentin Tarantino by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just today got a nice divx version of Kill Bill vol1.

    3. Re:Quentin Tarantino by Savatte · · Score: 1

      going to a theater may be great for a major picture, but what about one that would play at an arthouse? Not all cities are able to support arthouses. I live in Albany, and we have one. It's at least an hour drive to the next closest one. I had a friend who had to drive 2 hours both ways to see Memento back in 2001.

      Not all academy members live in L.A. or New York City.

    4. Re:Quentin Tarantino by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I drove from Seattle to Portland to catch eXistenZ at a theater pub when I missed the one day or so it was playing up here.

      So, Boo-fuckin'-who. I would also regularly drive 45 min to an hour each way to see movies when THX was brand spanking new and only a few new theaters were so equiped. Pardon me if I don't tear up.

    5. Re:Quentin Tarantino by Simonetta · · Score: 1


      I've gone from seeing maybe fifty feature films a year (in the mid-to-late 1990's) in theatres to seeing maybe three features in theatres this year.

      There have been two main causes of this shift:
      1) the ever-increasing admission price for the theatre that is much greater than the inflation rate.
      2) the explosion in availablity of DVDs. They have great sound, sharp images, multiple languages and subtitles, and production commentary.

      Two forces - one pulling me out of the theatres and the other drawing me into watching movies on my computer.

      Ten years ago you could go see double features of second-run Hollywood films (an average of two to three months after their original theatrical first-run release) for $2 to $3 dollars. First run matinees were $3. Five years ago all second-run double features stopped effectively doubling the admission price instantly when the inflation rate was only 2% a year. First-run matinee admission rose a dollar a year in quarterly increments every year since 1997 in the monopoly Regal Cinema chain. (which owns roughly 80% of the movie theatres in the USA).

      About 2001 DVDs start appearing in the Blockbuster and supermarket rental outlets. These were basically the 'junk' titles released to DVD after playing first-run and not even going to second-run theatres.

      In 2002, classic Hollywood and European art films start appearing in large numbers in the local public libraries, available for free checkout for a few days to a week. DVD stand-alone players (that play MP3 CD-R and CD-RWs) along with DVD-ROM drives for PCs appear for less than $60 at Fry's and PriceWatch.com.

      In 2003, local suburban public libraries in Portland Oregon have nearly every title available on DVD that was previously only on video cassette along with hundreds of 'new' features that were in first-run theatres the previous year. Many were donated from the local Hollywood Video world-corporate headquarters (located nearby) or the local Blockbuster Video (to clear surplus product from their limited shelf space). Other titles were donated to the local library by ordinary people who had purchased a DVD at retail and had already seen it a few times.

      The result is that thousands of people who used to go to the movies a few years ago are now just staying home and watching DVDs from the public library or supermarket rental outlet. This shift is beginning to influence the type of films that are produced for the theatres: fewer mid-budget films directed at mature audiences (mature meaning over 25 years old) and more comic-book megabudget productions for the date-night younger audience that are increasingly the only people who still go to theatres.

      Personally, I don't see how downloaded versions of feature films are going to make any difference to anyone. The film files are too large and too low-resolution (thinking of DivX) to be widely traded on the net. The wide availablity of DVD titles and their low prices (plus small physical size) make downloading movies absurd for the vast majority of people.

      The people who are seriously interested in seeing a particular movie (to the point of actually spending hours to download it) are in all likelihood going to pay to see it in a nice theatrical setting anyway; with bright large crisp film images and blasting surround-sound.

      Who's losing money? Where is the evidence that film downloading off the web is really an issue that is affecting the bottom line of anyone?

      This whole thing seems to be a hysterical over-reaction to a problem that doesn't really even exist.

      Hollywood's real problem is their inablility to control production budgets coupled with a box-office audience that is no longer growing. If present trends continue, then within five years most major big-budget films will not return their production costs through box-office receipts.

      When that happens, Hollywood will be forced to go back to making $10-$20 million dollar movies and, frankly, they've forgotten how to make profitable movies in this price range.

  43. Re:what about non-academy critics? by Quikah · · Score: 1

    Critics who are not members of the academy do not vote, why would they need screeners?

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  44. Re:Waschowski brothers and hollywood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you've seen much of Milla Jovavich, her problem isn't her acting, which can be pretty spectuacular considering the projects she chooses, it's the projects she chooses.

    She appears to give the director exactly what they ask for, no matter how bad the idea is.

  45. Re:what about non-academy critics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not members of the academy
    ==
    don't vote
    ==
    don't need screeners

  46. What's with the cover? by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 1, Troll

    Suddenly, CowboyNeal is concerned with movie awards? The last I read, this was News for Nerds. Stuff that matters.

    Unless CowboyNeal is concerned with being unable to pir8 the latest screener DVD in the future, I don't see how this matters nerd-wise.

    Sure, there's awards to worry about. I guess. It's just an industry. I mean, we spend our lives toiling over corporate networks and don't get other IT people holding ceremonies and kissing our pimpled butts over a job well done. So, I am not too terribly concerned about film 'artists' getting their deserts either. It's life, live it for the fun, not little golden globes.

    Sure sure, someone will miss out after a good indy flick is released. I'm a nerd, I don't care. If I was an Oprah-watching soccer mom, this just might be an issue. This sort of thing belongs in Vanity Fair or possibly a Wired! article. As a consumer and nerd, I stand very little to lose either way. The same movies will be released on DVD and I'll eventually find them on Netflix.

    Can we get back to science, anti-microsoft hate speech, Linux zealotry (you terrorists!), and linking to three year old Wired articles sometime soon?? I'm really tired of the "OMG, they want to stop piracy of unreleased movies!! The horrors!!". Then we wonder why people don't see much of a difference between an open source supporter and a warez/movie thief.

    Great job keeping the lines grey!

    1. Re:What's with the cover? by DeadScreenSky · · Score: 1

      Maybe some nerds just happen to work in the film industry?

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    2. Re:What's with the cover? by CrystalFalcon · · Score: 1

      Unless CowboyNeal is concerned with being unable to pir8 the latest screener DVD in the future, I don't see how this matters nerd-wise.

      ...and hence, this qualifies as "stuff that matters".

      Or are you saying that you're not among the 60 million Americans who use P2P to get your latest media fix? I certainly am. And I'm not afraid of talking about it, either.

      Read my lips: I want to find out where I can get movies sooner and in better quality. The legality of it is irrelevant, at least the present legality, which I consider broken and needs enough violations to make a point to lawmakers.

      Yes, that's right. Not only do I have a personal satisfaction in leeching content, but I see it as my duty in order to protect citizens from corporate greed. I see it as my duty to violate this law in order to make a point. This law NEEDS to be violated. It needs to be made absolutely clear that lawmakers are put in place by voters, and that tens of millions of people want a different order than lawmakers are currently being paid to institute.

    3. Re:What's with the cover? by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 1

      Nah, I don't mind waiting for the DVD to come out and renting it. I prefer the method of movie watching that is both legal and doesn't require me to lift my ass out of this chair.

      Now if only it were legal to back up the rented copies, then life would be grand. But it's okay. I have my honor to maintain, regardless of how you moral cancers have spread through society in epidemic numbers, lately.

      A bunch of self proclaimed "Robbin Hoods", yet there is no charity. There's also no regard to the economic impacts of their crusades(escapades??). This 'kick 'em in the face' attitude is fine for sounding good in a forum, but it's probably not the approach I would take if the MPAA dragged me in to court over some charges that I had distributed a DVD image of the screener to their new $200 million dollar movie and cost them between $1 and 20 million in ticket sales. Of course, they'll settle for pennies on the dollar, but it'll be enough to wipe ya out. That's assuming such a Rambo-bambino crusader, such as yourself, requires more than a KA-bar and your trusty pouch of snuff to survive any enviroment. If this is the case, I salute your will to exist as you are.

    4. Re:What's with the cover? by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 1

      Troll? What the hell ever. So mentioning the fact that this thread was about piracy and not about making sure the small films get a shot at an award is trolling?

      Why don't you pinhead mods make a note of how the thread is going. Most of what was posted after my message has more to do with piracy than anything.

      The fact that you /. pinheads can't keep your wAreZ shit off here contributes to the derogatory image of open source in the workplace. If you can't see that, then fine, use your mod points like a 13 year old.

  47. Re:Do you want to know what I think about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yes and they appeared on the screen smack in the middle of flat-color surfaces, so they are fucking obvious and distracting

    of course i didn't miss any of the "plot" because of these dots

  48. Re:what about non-academy critics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ebert might be. He's a screen writer of breast fetish movies. And came up with the catchy title "Bra of God" for another. Classy guy. Funny, now that he appears to have a mini-stroke his movie reviews seem similar to Siskel's....

  49. Re:what about non-academy critics? by mwilliamson · · Score: 1
    This is why I feel that the academy awards aren't really that big a deal...who gives a crap how they feel about each other?

    Closed family trees recycle DNA, and it eventually shows (i.e. Prince Charles).

  50. There is a good side by bigjnsa500 · · Score: 1
    There is a good side to this. If there are copies of DVD screeners floating around, the MPAA will know who is releasing them on the internet. They can stop their barraging of us average users and turn it towards their own people.

    Sick 'em boys!

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  51. Alternative solution by cgenman · · Score: 1

    Why not have academy members votes be weighted based upon which movie they have seen? If, for example, Finding Nemo recieved 40% of the vote of the 1,000 members registered as having seen it, it still could lose against the 50% vote given by the 150 members who saw "Whale Rider."

    Such a scheme sounds more fair, if it isn't possible to see a movie in the intended format.

  52. What if they don't have DVD players :D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TRUE Story: I was eating in a restaurant in Stamford, CT a year or so ago, and all of a sudden I realized at the table next to me was sitting none other than Gene Wilder. He was complaining that though they started to send out award nominees on DVD, he still didn't have a DVD player! Nice guy, by the way.

  53. And pay real money by NoSuchGuy · · Score: 0

    Academy members are pleased to know they won't have to find a theatre to screen award nominees

    And even worse pay for the movie! God help, this should not happen!

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  54. The Z Channel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I wonder if there are any other old-time slashdotters who grew up in Southern California in the 60's and 70's and had cable TV from a company called Sammons Communications.

    This was *long* before HBO and company built media empires reselling cable feeds to franchisees across the country. We lived up in the hills above LA (La Crescenta) where an antenna was not good enough, but cable TV delivered a sharp feed of the local channels plus the big broadcast networks. Sammon's customer base consisted of a few hill-dwellers like us, plus the swankier Santa Monica/Wilshire/Hollywood area,

    Anyway, at some point in the late 60's or early 70's, Sammons created their own little premium movie channel called the Z Channel. It was a steal even in those days: two main new features a week, plus all movies all the times. (Plenty of good foreign films, too.) No commercials, of course.

    What does this have to do with Oscar Screeners?

    Well, the amazing thing is that they had so many members of the Academy as their customers that it made sense to screen the academy award nominees over the Z Channel! There would be one week or two (probably in January, AFAIR) when there would be nonstop marathons of nominated films, back to back, 24/7.

    The world of movies and cable have changed so much since then (see current story) even I find it hard to believe that this happened. But I saw it myself.

    I can't speak for the other Sammon's customers in my neighborhood, but we bought an early-generation VCR just to be able to record these oscar nominees. Our first VCR was about $1500 and probably weighed 30lbs.

  55. Maybe read the article. by Kelmenson · · Score: 1
    The complete quote (emphases mine):
    The bad news: Academy members will be the only ones to receive tapes, to the exclusion of the directors, writers and actors guilds, members of the press and your hipster friend Bob, who knew a guy that knew a guy who could get him copies.
    So, you see, the people in the press who give those nice end of year "top 10 lists", and the people who vote in the "LA Film Critics" and "NY Film Critics" and "Golden Globes" awards who don't happen to also be in the Academy will be banned from getting screeners. There are quite a few people who legitimately were getting non-pirated screeners from the studios that will now be banned from getting them.

    The Academy Awards are far from the only game in town. Although maybe that will be less true if the ban changes to how the article describes it. (Monopoly, anyone?)

  56. Re:Do you want to know what I think about this? by placeclicker · · Score: 1

    I think i've got problems. Every time i saw that title i thought '...Gates?'

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  57. Re:Waschowski brothers and hollywood by zymano · · Score: 1

    Both of them have director boyfriends that cast them in their movies.

    Milla is the biggest whore .

    If they got director boyfriends and start to pop in their films then that is whoring.

  58. Why don't they just contact CONTROL? by RegnadKcin_mark2 · · Score: 1

    They've got them groovy self-destruct tapes (or was that Mission Impossible only? Well, at worst CONTROL had that groovy self-destructing agent jammed in the wastecan/flowerpot/mailbox). Its funny when you think about it.... any ban by the MPAA on distribution of screeners to insiders (in general) affects only said insiders. The "scene" shrugs it off. Maybe the MPAA will ban the distribution of workprints as well (Ha! Boy, and one would think that THOSE would be easy enough to track back to the source...).

  59. Does anyone =really= care about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given that some of the best films are indy and never given the chance in the first place, the question begs, "Who cares?"

    Why, on heaven's green earth, would I give a toss what the "Academy" thinks? Let's see, a major Hollywood release wins several awards. Could we be anymore predictable?

    It's nothing more than a slick way to kiss-ass and score points amongst the Hollywood elite. Art be damned.

    (Much better, thanks!)

  60. That's _Motion_ _Picture_ A of A by CrystalFalcon · · Score: 1

    You're reading the acrony wrong...

    http://www.mpaa.org

  61. I Can See It Now... by SEWilco · · Score: 1

    Coming soon to a flea market near you...
    DVDs of movies which have "REVIEW COPY" watermarks zooming around the screen.

  62. Bad News? Why? by crucini · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The bad news is that only members of the Academy will receive them.

    Why is this bad news? Who should receive them? Why do you care about the movie industry's ritual pat-on-the-back?

    I though the only interesting aspect of this ongoing story was that the proliferation of fast internet access was forcing the industry to restrict screeners. Nothing really good or bad in that. And no, I don't care if some less mainstream film wins an Emmy or Grammy or whatever. The only outcome I'd find "good" is if the industry stops being profitable, so cultural energy flows into less centralized channels.
  63. Pr0n is much better in this aspect by CrystalFalcon · · Score: 1

    Not only does it not come with dots, but there isn't much of a plot you can aspire to miss.

    More pr0n for the people!

    If I become an Academy member, can I get some for free? Or do I have to log on to Kazaa again?

  64. working shlubs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think your thinking of something different, name an academy member that is a working schlub?

    1. Re:working shlubs by kfg · · Score: 1

      name an academy member that is a working schlub?

      Sally Jo.

      And even if she won an Oscar she wouldn't get to go on TV.

      KFG

  65. Wow by mcc · · Score: 1

    The MPAA, in an effort to reduce theft on the high seas and kidnapping, (yes, in addition to "piracy", they are now referring to "illegally abducted films"),

    Wow. I'm just waiting to see what happens as this process continues to its logical conclusion.

    Some new words the MPAA introduces into English between now and 2103

    Rape - When people take single screen captures of sex scenes or scenes with actresses in skimpy outfits or really even just any scene from a movie that they liked, and post it in a "pictures page" on geocities

    Pedophilia - When clips, recordings, or scripts for a a film that hasn't been released yet are leaked to the internet, or (more often) leaked to Harry Knowles

    Genocide - Replaces outmoded term "piracy" in 2067 as a common verb for using p2p services. This is to reflect that by using a p2p service, you are personally destroying the way of life of the entire movie industry. The MPAA comes to the conclusion that this is the right word to use after the crossover film that serves as Gigli part 8 and Tomb Raider part 23 makes less than $500,000 gross, and clearly people downloading films from p2p networks are to blame

    1. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Setting fire to the Queen's Docks in time of war - burning a CD-R or DVD-R containing even one byte of MPAA/RIAA material

      Mutiny - leaving the cinema before the end of the film

      Treason - even *thinking* about performing any of the above (it has been held that daring to profess that the King/Queen might be accountable to the people is an act of high treason)

    2. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The MPAA's use of the word "piracy" is legitimate (see definition 2). The term has been used in this way for roughly two hundred years, originally referring to pirated books.

  66. This shouldn't matter to anyone who isn't a pirate by leereyno · · Score: 1, Troll

    I really don't understand how this is even newsworthy to anyone who doesn't have a wooden leg, a patch over one eye, and a parrot on his shoulder squawking "Free Kevin!" morning, noon, and night.

    I have no reason to give a rat's ass whether the movie industry sends out screeners or not. I'm neither a filmmaker nor am I someone who reviews films for award consideration. I'm not alone in this. Virtually NO ONE here falls into those two catagories, which leaves the third group with a reason to care, pirates. Is slashdot going to change its motto to "News for thieves. Stuff that will get you 5-to-10?"

    The fact that this is somehow news here is really sickening. Its almost like reading a story about how burglars are unhappy because homeowners have been arming themselves with even bigger shotguns and are being pickier about who they allow into their home.

    Sounds to me like we need some more chlorine in Slashdot's gene pool.

    Hans

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  67. Bad for independent films by saikou · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I, personally, think it is bad for independent films.
    When this ban was just announced, independents started to moan because their films are not widely available in local cinemas. Now keep in mind, that in most cases it is the big studios that distribute those indie movies. Studio affiliations allow them to share some glory (they're the one, who found "diamond in a rough" which receives an Oscar for... ), earn big bucks (indie film costs pennies compared to supermegablockbuster from W. Brothers ;)) and improve their return on investment.

    What would be the easiest way for them to keep the Oscars coming and money flowing? Push those movies into more cinemas in more cities. Yes, the latest alternative movie would probably still not be available on every screen in every cinema in your city, but it might be available in one or two arthouse cinemas (which generally is enough for limited audience films), and, potentially, growing to dozens of cinemas if it happens to be a hit.

    Now we're back to "release in 5 cinemas in the US, send 5,700 tapes/dvds to Academy members" scenario (with winner getting a bit more attention, and loosers never seeing the eye of the public in not-so-cosmopolitan cities).

    1. Re:Bad for independent films by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously live where there are 'arthouse cinemas'. There are about 130k people in this area, ZERO 'arthouse cinemas', ZERO indie films until they hit Blockbuster because they won some award. It's 3+ hours to the nearest 'arthouse cinema' from here. Without a satellite dish, it is unreasonable to expect to see one indie a year via legitimate means here much less several; even then non-award winning indies on the dish tend to be several years old.

      People live where they can get/keep jobs; 'culture' does not necessarily follow.

      Yeah, wouldn't it be great to have everything within walking distance. Someone has to live/work in 'flyover country' to keep you fed/make the things that you depend on (NOT A TROLL)Corn and Soy products are largely produced in the midwest; and they appear in many surprising places. Not everything is made in big cities or large metro areas (nor do you want it to be).

  68. sounds like a good idea by mantera · · Score: 1

    since academy members have an interest in keeping piracy at bay

  69. Re:This shouldn't matter to anyone who isn't a pir by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 1

    I disagree. It's entertaining to watch the MPAA thrash around and damage itself trying to cope with changing technology. Even if you don't pirate movies, you can still appreciate the humor in seeing the MPAA come up with a new "strategy" every few days, each one more harmful to the studios than the last. If they tried to about-face any faster, Jack Valenti would get whiplash.

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  70. Re:Waschowski brothers and hollywood by fermion · · Score: 1
    the fuckin' funniest this about this post is that someone believes that Kevin Costner would be worse than Keanu Reeves. Reeves is a fuck puppet, nothing less, nothing more. And anyone who has any objectivity knows that Alex Winter was the better half.

    What the matrix needed was more acting power. Someone like Depp. Of course serious actors tend not like to star in video games.

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  71. ban to be revoked? by JimBobJoe · · Score: 1

    Normally I don't point out language errors, usually they aren't that important...however I find myself "uncomfortable" with the idea that a "ban" can be "revoked."

    After all, it was the initial screening abilities that were revoked in the first place...can revoke be used to mean "reverse" in this instance?
    (Revoke implies to me that some ability associated with another person is being annuled. Here, the ban was not placed by the other party, but by the same party who will be reversing it.)

  72. What really happens with sceeners by babajuma · · Score: 1

    You all want to know the truth about what happens with the acadamy awards?

    The big studios all spend huge amounts of money sending all the members fancy packs of all the films they want to get awards.
    This incudes special box sets and stuff like that.
    As soon as they arrive all the big name films suddly all disapear to the homes of friends who "BORROW" them never to be seen again.

    The only ones left are the art house or indie moveis. Which end up living ontop of the dvd player until there is nothing interesting on TV then they might get watched.

    I know ive seen it happen every year

  73. Brown dots and CAP Codes by Quizo69 · · Score: 1

    I recently watched Kill Bill in the theater and much to my dismay, there were several instances of the CAP CODE splashed on the screen in white sections of the film, making them blindingly obvious to everyone.

    I asked my wife if she saw any blotches in the movie without being specific to see if it was just me, but she described just the same thing I saw. One instance had a clearly defined open sided square just as O-Ren's aides opened the paper door at the House Of Blue Leaves.

    Ostensibly this is to track cam jobs of the movie on the internet. In reality, all it did was annoy me (a PAYING customer) to such a point that I have decided that the next time I see a movie with these CRAP CODES in them, I am going to demand a refund from the theater. I'll point out exactly where the code is so I can prove I saw it. After that it's no more movies at the theater for me.

    Screw 'em - if they think they need to ruin paying customers' enjoyment of a movie to supposedly stop cam jobs (which they won't dent one iota), then I will refuse to be legal myself and actively start pirating and encourage others to do likewise. Treat your customers like criminals and they will act like criminals.

    Quizo69

    1. Re:Brown dots and CAP Codes by falcon5768 · · Score: 1
      I saw the cap code too, I didnt think it was actually in the movie though cause our projectionist was a loser (he put the film in backwards which resulted in the entire theater throwing popcorn at him cause we saw the LOTR trailer backwards with no sound cause the sound bar was on the wrong side of the film... do you even KNOW what it sounds like when the actual film is picked up instead of the soundtrack, NOT a nice sound)

      You know you have to wonder how long it will be till a bunch of people say thats enough and sue the shit out of the MPAA for crap like this. Its kinda like getting a lemon, you go to the movies paying to expect quality and get film that is damaged by the movie studios themselves.

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  74. Re:Waschowski brothers and hollywood by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1
    And anyone who has any objectivity knows that Alex Winter was the better half.

    Woah, you like totally Melvyn'd me there, dude!

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  75. How do u become a member by Cackmobile · · Score: 1

    How can I become a member of the academy. I wanna vote and make sure something like Titanic never wins again.

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  76. Huh? by Hard_Code · · Score: 1

    Can somebody explain what the big deal here is? Aren't the movies reviewed AFTER they come out? If so, how is this a non-negligable risk of piracy at any stretch of the imagination, when Joe Viewer can pick up a DVD, rip it, and then return it, or mill them off in Asia? How are these "screeners" contributing to piracy? Is Tom Hanks running some operation out of his garage or something?

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    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      85% of all films that I see (usually on VCD) are marked "If you purchased or borrowed this film, please call 1-800-NO-COPYS" -- meaning it was pirated. And that usually from a screener -- esp. if it is complete, runs from beginning to end, and is perfectly clear. Somehow (well, we all know how, hehehe) the pirate got a hold of a DVD copy of the film, and did his thing, and Bob's your uncle -- out here in the wilds of Cameroun, we get to see THE MATRIX RELOADED a mere two weeks after you all in the States and elsewhere in the "civilized world" did.

      THAT's why this is relevant.

      $0.02

  77. No problem by timlyg · · Score: 0

    Either way, as long as there are DVDs, and patience...MPAA's KUNG FU is still one step behind

  78. Be proud of your nerdiness! by El+Camino+SS · · Score: 1


    We nerds are the destruction of all society!
    Rejoice in your power! It's all just numbers, but they don't know that! It is the downfall of Rome! Watch it burn! Please. Spare me the dramatics from the Senators and the people that pay them to make things happen like Jack Valenti.

    Honestly, I have never seen such a society fearful of the neighborhood geek (the onese that make fun of you most are grateful to have around when their computer goes belly up during fantasy football trade time).

    We are the nerds, but I have never thought that the ones that would get pushed off the monkey bars in gradeschool, or stuffed in lockers would be practically branded as Al-Qaida. Honestly, this is all too interesting to not laugh at. Amazing. If Ben Franklin was born today he would have been burning away on his keyboard right now, doing something that would, "contribute to criminal activity."

    The rest of society is strangely gripped with fear so much of us losers in their basements that they are passing law after law trying to control the very ideas and thoughts of people, and make that this country is founded on a criminal offense. It is a great time to be a geek. Lots of power, lots of responsibility. Many say this is all bad. I think they have no idea what they are talking about. We are just the first Phoenix rising from the ashes to make a new, society that will be coming from the old. This is not a new process. This happens in every civilization about every hundred years. I for one am happy to be here to see it.

    Something good will definitely come out of this. Certainly, I see that a lot of bad corporate practices, bad politicians, and bad people will get in a whole lot of hot water over the ideas that these bills and laws bring about.

    And no, they cannot take away all of the freedoms of the world, because if they do, payback will be a real bitch. Being a leader is walking a tightrope, if you screw up, you'll get adjusted even faster than you thought you would. Look at Bush. The man is practically scrambling. SCRAMBLING. This geeks are evil thing will be adjusted soon enough when they realize that society has always had people like us around, and they have always been heretics... at least to the status quo Pat Robertson's and power broker Bill Gates's of their time.

    NEVER, EVER, EVER underestimate the masses. This will work itself out. Trust me. You are not a slave, and no, they cannot shoot you and make this all go away like they used to. This is just a transitory time. As usual, it pays in the end to be a free thinker and use your brain. So don't freak so much. Things are going to be better soon enough.

  79. They would have canceled an award show? by QuackQuack · · Score: 1

    In protest of the screener ban, they would have cancelled an award show?

    I say keep the ban then!

    I can't tell you how much I HATE those &#$( award shows.

    Joan Rivers and others gawking over what horrendously tacky and expensive outfits the stars are wearing beforehand. Why do we care? The stuff is loaned to them, it's a form of product placement on part of the designers.

    Then comes the preaching on the evils of P2P at the start of the show.

    And before each award is presented, we get the awful, awful, awful, inane scripted banter on part of the presenters.

    And then comes Justin Timberlake, Christina Agulera, and Brittney Spears. One or more of them seems to be present at every stinkin awards show, even if it's the Country Music Awards.

    And then one act or movie always seems to take all the awards. Some acts like U2 and Tom Hanks always win no matter what the competition, or the merit of their particular thing (I like U2, but "Stuck in a moment you can't get out of?" Puh leeze)

    And then they can't ever seem to end on time.

    And sometimes it seems like there's an award show on every other day!

    So if the screener ban causes these shows to be cancelled, I say "Bring it on!".

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    1. Re:They would have canceled an award show? by Arianrhod · · Score: 1

      Ummm... if you don't like the awards shows, you don't have to watch, you know. Thee are lots of other channels (and turning of the TV, going out, etc are always options).

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    2. Re:They would have canceled an award show? by QuackQuack · · Score: 1

      My wife always watches, so I end up seeing more than I can take (defined as 2 minutes or more) no matter how much I try to avoid them.

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  80. Re:I Dont Care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still not caring here.

  81. All Hail CANADA!! by stryc9 · · Score: 1
    Jesus fricking Christ!!

    The large corporations in the United States are controlling your government, your laws, your freedoms and your culture??!?!!

    Makes me sure glad I am a Canadian. Swearing on regular cable, no RIAA, no MPAA, no lawsuits for customers, and corporate 'contributions' to political parties limited to a thousand bucks.

    Land of the free my ass!!

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