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VoIP Advances And Trends For 2004

gardel writes "So everyone's top-tech predictions for 2004 says it will be the year of VoIP. What does that really mean? This may narrow it down. Here's Voxilla's list of the top-10 advances and trends in the world of VoIP. On the list: VoIP and cellular converges, IP phones take over, Chinese and Mexican phone numbers come to the U.S., Asterisk hits it big. What would you add?"

151 comments

  1. VoIP's short term future. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Troll

    With or without VoIP regulation, a global P2P (PSTN-connected) voice network emerge..

    How? The article talks about Asterix-to-asterix networks bypassing telcos totally. Also VoIP providers routing IP only to each other to end call termination costs.

    I beleve that the Larger Asterix networks and VoIP providers will enter into call peering agreements just like the early internet.

    It start out as hobbyists setting up Asterisk Open Source PBX boxes connected to their home POTS line.

    Will some form of ENUM allow least cost routing to boxes sitting in basements and garages around the world?

    If an ITSP in Europe can setup an Asterisk box with PSTN access and start offering US phone numbers and vice-versa, will global number plans become obsolete? What effect will the ridiculously low barrier to entry for VoIP have on telecommunications?

    2004 Will be interesting indeed.

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    1. Re:VoIP's short term future. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was originally posted by plexxer, I think it had comment ID 7611297.

      Spotted it here

  2. Legislation. by James+A.+C.+Joyce · · Score: 0, Interesting

    I'm hoping that VoIP remains as unencumbered by foolish laws and regulations as is. With recent, pending and looming court actions this could change soon and be one of the great turning points of 2004. As is, though, I think we're in a very good situation and I hope the lawmakers keep it that way. Fingers crossed for communication technology!

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    1. Re:Legislation. by BoldAC · · Score: 0

      I agree. The one thing that is keep me and my family from switching to VoIP is 911 access. It comforts me to know that my wife or kids can pick up the phone and get help immediately. Even if they can't talk, at least 911 knows where they are--on the land line.

      On voIP, it will redirect your 911 call to the appropriate place... maybe. It may also transfer your address. VoIP will never promise that this will work perfectly without fault for legal reasons.

      Japan is trying to switch completely over to VoIP... and all I want is dependable 911 access.

      AC

  3. Monopoly by sparklingfruit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just because VoIP involves voice, that does NOT mean it's the same as telephone service. The monopolistic nature of telephone service (only one company can realistically have lines in a given area, particularly in the "last mile") makes heavy regulation and regulatory fees necessary. VoIP does not suffer from this physical limitation to competition, and thus any number of VoIP providers can exist in any area. This is yet another blatant attempt of government to cash in on an emerging technology.

    1. Re:Monopoly by cgranade · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not exactly. Consider that VoIP requires, by nessesity, an IP network such as the Internet. Currently, this IP network exists in most homes by one of several methods: dial-up, cable or DSL. In two of those three cases, it is the POTS provider (telco) that enables VoIP, and in the third, it's a cable provider. In all of these cases, the IP provider has a natural monopoly. Thus, while the VoIP service itself may not be a natural monopoly, the prerequisites generally are.

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    2. Re:Monopoly by frisket · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I hate to pour cold water on the ideas, but forecasts of VoIP taking over in 2004 are spectacularly off-target.

      Why? Local IP access for too many Internet users is still limited by 56Kb/s dialup, which is too slow for reliable, comprehensible voice exchange. Providers emerging from the rat's nest of former state telco monopolies have been unable to introduce anything remotely resembling a widespread DSL service at a sensible cost (remember ISDN? :-)

      Perhaps in city areas in the USA we will see VoIP start to make it, but for the real world it's simply a myth (but I would adore to be proved wrong!)

    3. Re:Monopoly by segment · · Score: 1
      Providers emerging from the rat's nest of former state telco monopolies have been unable to introduce anything remotely resembling a widespread DSL service at a sensible cost (remember ISDN? :-)

      Well DSL is sooner or later going to die at the fate of cable. DSL providers are pretty much selling it under cost (for those charging under $50.00). Verizon is beating up local ISP's offering DSL by taking a loss selling their DSL ($39.00), and for those of you who also work at ISP and have to deal with Verizon, I'm sure others can vouch for the nightmarish pain of dealing with Verizon.

      ISDN is close to 98% dead and anyone who'd be willing to pay line surcharges nowadays has got to be on something. Especially for that speed.

      Wireless? yea sure.

      As for the bigger cities pumping VoIP, this will definitely happen, but expect telco's to do some major lobbying in hopes of controlling it all.

    4. Re:Monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This post is stolen. Please downmod all posts from this user.

      This guy is a karma whore... please mod bomb.

    5. Re:Monopoly by BoldAC · · Score: 1

      This is not the first time he has done this... please see this post as well...

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=91251&cid=7856 122

    6. Re:Monopoly by aminorex · · Score: 1

      How you can describe it as a natural monopoly when there are multiple competing systems in play, I don't know...

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  4. Not just IP... by swordboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Intel is currently working furiously on a cellular chip that will seamlessly roam to WiFi networks. They also want it to carry prodigous amounts of data. Known as the Digital Briefcase specification, any compliant PC will automagically recognize the phone and allow you to log into the PC as if it were your own. Mail, favorites, documents/music and even wallpaper and settings will appear seamlessly. Check out my sig for more...

    POTS will die a quick death unless the big TelCos start lobbying for taxes. Slashdotters move these companies up on the list of Evil entities.

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    1. Re:Not just IP... by Mage+Powers · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't really know too much about VoIP, but what happens when the power goes out? Like I've only had 4 power outages in the last 10 or so years, but still, what if it happens? I know one advantage POTS has is that it usually works... Having VoIP for voice calls overseas is great, but what if the POTS system is gone, power is out, and people can't call for help?

      Course my telco has never really caused me grief so I'm not biased against them.

    2. Re:Not just IP... by thedillybar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Has anyone come up with software for PDAs that will allow you to roam WiFis and use VoIP?

      Or at least work in progress? It seems someone could develop software before Intel could develop (and market) a chip specifically for this purpose.

    3. Re:Not just IP... by jesser · · Score: 1

      POTS at my house doesn't work when the power goes out, but I think it's our fault for using fancy phones.

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    4. Re:Not just IP... by jjshoe · · Score: 1

      All of our wireless access points (over 1,000) are powerd over ethernet. Why not your voip phone?

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    5. Re:Not just IP... by doogles · · Score: 1
      Has anyone come up with software for PDAs that will allow you to roam WiFis and use VoIP?



      There are others, these are the two I am familiar with.
    6. Re:Not just IP... by Comen · · Score: 1

      Most telephone companies will rool out VOIP switches, replaceing older gear. The customer will remain on POTS and wont even know that somewhere at the end of thier block there is a bos that changes the data to ip packets and tehn somwhere at a central office it can either be changed back to a analog signal or if that telephone company has a IP connection to other telcos then it can stay IP.
      I really think people get very confussed when talking about IP, I know I still do, it is a a technology that can mean many things not just voice over the internet or even to your house.
      It can be used to save allot of money in telephone switching gear, by the use of digital compression and being able to get use of what would be normaly be unused bandwidth in physical wiring when people are not using the phone lines.
      Just to name a couple good reasons.

      Anyway your home would proablly remain POTS in most the systems I have seen, and the actual telco equipment still has quite a bit of redudency built in to it. Power for a standard phone would still be provided and if a telco wanted to over voip phone to people I am sure they could have power built in to the ethernet for that, I know most cisco switches that support thier voip phone have that option.
      No need to use your cell phone BTW when your power goes out, just keep a old standard phone around in the closet or something for cases when the voltage supplied by the phone line is all you have. In a real bad emergency the cell phone's could become useless because a local cell tower cant handle everyone tring to use the sevice at once. best to have both options open.

    7. Re:Not just IP... by konrd · · Score: 1

      When I sold Cisco IP phones in the past we always tried to get the clients to buy inline powered switches. Because the switches were hooked up to UPS's people were still able to get power and dial tone if the power went out.

    8. Re:Not just IP... by plugger · · Score: 1

      Our cordless handset has a warning sticker advising one to have an ordinary wired phone available in case of emergency.

    9. Re:Not just IP... by azuretek · · Score: 1

      I remember when the power went out in my house. I couldn't use the phone, this was due to me having a phone that required being plugged in. If I had one of those old wired phones I could have still made calls.

      Now that I use VoIP I have a wired phone and a cordless, when the power goes out I can still use the wired. Data networks allways have redundancy, when the power is out the internet usually isn't.

      Why do people just say "VoIP is bad" I've been using it forever and I only see good from it.

  5. Re:The technology is there, but by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1
    For home use, I would agree with you, but its businesses that are really looking at this technology. Why? They don't need a staff to take care of the telephones and network, you can do everything via your Network staff. Important factor for your medium and large businesses that could stand to save some money using VoIP.

    For now, my small consulting company is sticking with good ole land lines and cell service. I am not one to always go out on the cutting edge of technology as I've tended to get cut in the past.

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  6. Voxilla = gardel by HardcoreGamer · · Score: 4, Informative

    gardel: at least have the courtesy to admit that Voxilla IS YOUR SITE.

    Check gardel's previous posts if you don't believe me.

    If you're going to self-promote, be up front about it.

    1. Re:Voxilla = gardel by gardel · · Score: 3, Informative

      I did not place this here anonymously and used my email address at voxilla.com. I'm not entirely ceertain how else to be up front about it.

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    2. Re:Voxilla = gardel by JPriest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I though it was one of the more informative things I have seen posted to slashdot in a while. He makes no attempt to hide that it is his site.

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    3. Re:Voxilla = gardel by Feztaa · · Score: 4, Informative

      I did not place this here anonymously and used my email address at voxilla.com. I'm not entirely ceertain how else to be up front about it.

      Just looking at the post, I have no idea who you are or that you're associated with Voxilla in any way.

      Typically it's good manners to end your submission with "(disclaimer, I run Voxilla)" or something similar. Ever noticed how Slashdot editors write similar statements when they post stories about Newsforge, or ThinkGeek, or those other OSDN pages?

    4. Re:Voxilla = gardel by gardel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Thanks for the advice. And, in the future, I will do just that. But I do feel the need to point out that, in the story submission form, there is a field for "your home page", where I did enter voxilla.com. I made no effort to cloak my association with Voxilla. In the past, I have communicated with slashdot editors who know exactly what my role with the site is.

      It's really an honor to have slashdotters read the content we put together on Voxilla. We work hard on the site and think there is useful material there that can't be found elsewhere. And so we have, a few times, pointed out a story we felt may be of particular interest to slashdot. At no time did we do so anonymously and, all of my posts here, make my association with Voxilla known.

      If anyone was offended, I sincerely apologize and assure you that there was no intentional action taken to mislead anyone.

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    5. Re:Voxilla = gardel by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      But I do feel the need to point out that, in the story submission form, there is a field for "your home page", where I did enter voxilla.com

      Did you? In the story text, your name is not a clickable link. IIRC, your name is supposed to be a link to the URL that you gave. Personally, I've never heard of Voxilla and I've never seen you before (I never pay too much attention to people's usernames anyway. Perhaps I've seen your posts before, but the name "gardel" is genuinely new to me). I honestly had no idea that you were associated with Voxilla when I was reading the story.

      If anyone was offended, ...

      Don't sweat it too much, we all make mistakes.

    6. Re:Voxilla = gardel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this such a big deal? Really now, who cares?

    7. Re:Voxilla = gardel by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      Why is this such a big deal? Really now, who cares?

      Other people were flaming him, I was just trying to explain what was going on in a friendly manner.

      Personally, I don't care, I'm just being nice.

  7. Asterisk by seanadams.com · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am currently setting up an asterisk PBX with polycom ip phones and VOIP for outgoing calls. It is incredible software. I have no doubt that in the next year or two, it will become one of the most important open source projects, right up there with Linux and Apache.

    The software does have a steep learning curve (not worse that any other telco system though). Be prepared to spend a few weeks just getting a basic system with a couple of phones to go. However, once you get it up and going, it is very easy (and cheap!) to expand.

    Asterisk will totally replace the current PBX and key systems, and it will also play a key role in destroying the traditional overpriced channelized telco services.

    1. Re:Asterisk by muonzoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, BUT; Asterisk has some growing up to do. It isn't a standards BASED system. Sure, it implements standards, but the SIP support was ad-hoc and an afterthought. I'm not trying to take away from the amazing accomplishments on this project, however before it storms the masses, it's going to have to speak SIP at the expected interoperable level that we all expact from Apache and HTTP. Imagine if you could only view Apache pages in Mozilla, or, that images wouldn't work in IE, only Mozilla. These are real problems. Once Asterisk has that level of interoperability with OTHER IP based voice systems, it will be posed to really clean up. Exciting indeed, but some time will have to pass first.

    2. Re:Asterisk by el_flynn · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I totally agree with you. I've also just finished an * install and waiting for the client to review it. The deployment is for an IVR system, with a possible future enhancement of accessing corporate data and relaying info like the caller's account information etc. Which speaks volume about the product because it's basically a PBX system.


      Most of my experience with * is via trial-and-error, reading the newsgroup postings, posing questions for help etc a-la the normal open source way of doing things, and it should be noted that the article says "Zealous fans of the terrific open source PBX-plus software develop easy-to-follow installation and configuration menus". There exists some documentation on the web, with war stories and sample configuration. But, as noted in the Asterisk mailing list, the docs can be somewhat sparse and technically oriented, especially for users just wanting to "try it out".


      I basically think the article about Asterisk should be read as "Zealous fans... need to develop easy-to-follow installation and configuration menus, and Asterisk takes off big-time". This, to me, is a key point in making Asterisk viable to the masses. People (the users anyway) tend to expect a PBX system to be something of a "plug-and-play" type of thing, but without concrete documentation, helpfiles etc it would be hard for the n00b installer to get things working in a short amount of time.

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    3. Re:Asterisk by DarthBart · · Score: 3, Informative

      Having been an Asterisk developer for several years now, I tend to agree with the ad-hoc support of standard protocols (SIP and the ongoing battle between chan_h323 and chan_oh323). However, these days you don't see any more incompatibilities between * and other equipment than you would between, say, a Multitech MVP410 and a Cisco 7960 SIP phone. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The advantage is that you can sniff the SIP/H323 session, figure out which end isn't following standards and adapt * to work with what you've got.

  8. Siemens VoIP continues to lose many millions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My prediction is that Siemens VoIP efforts, despite a booming market, will continue their remarkable losses in the nine figure range. This is a good reminder for the need of good management in any high technology endeavor, and the foolishness of the "we are too big to fail" mentality.

    1. Re:Siemens VoIP continues to lose many millions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Siemens manages to lose money in many of their businesses. They seem to always figure out a way to take money from their profitable businesses and waste it on businesses they don't understand. Having worked with a team of several former mid-level Siemens people, I would guess their corporate culture seems to encourage lots of spending, and pursuing unprofitable ideas to the point of bankruptcy, ignoring all evidence that effort should really be refocused elsewhere.

  9. Phone numbers are for sissies by BritGeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've never personally understood this mania that the POTS folks have for dragging all of the old telephone system baggage into VOIP. Why on earth should we perpetuate the same old nonsense of "area codes" & "country codes"? (They are completely artificial & capricious anyway.) What's wrong with dialing someone by their IP address, that's what I want to know?

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    1. Re:Phone numbers are for sissies by Squareball · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why IP and not by e-mail address? Think about it, e-mail is a way for some one to contact you through text, well why not just say that e-mail is a way to contact you which ever way you wish. Why not have everything done to your e-mail address?

      Then if you have a cell phone and a home phone why not have it setup like cell.myaddress@host.com? Dialing by IP would be too much to remember. I can hardly remember a regular phone number now! But I know just about every one's e-mail address by heart because it's just english and not a string of numbers.

    2. Re:Phone numbers are for sissies by tirnacopu · · Score: 1

      Because the end-user would have to contact a third-party unreliable service to track a phone number (think whois)? Because there are far more telephone users than connected computers (think there's no NAT)? Because people would have to re-adjust all their contact info (I get chills down my spine just thinking of it)?

    3. Re:Phone numbers are for sissies by synergy3000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dial by IP? Lets see which IP will you dial me by today since I get on the internet through a DSL service provider who periodically switches my IP address. Fixed IP you say? Well certainly the IPv4 will run out then. You going to remember an IPv6 address? For all your friends? Maybe we don't need phone numbers, but dialing by IP is not very well thought out either.

    4. Re:Phone numbers are for sissies by abigor · · Score: 1

      This is how the SIP protocol works. You dial by URL, not by phone number. Look up the relevant RFCs for more.

    5. Re:Phone numbers are for sissies by Nivag353 · · Score: 1

      If they move to allow people to dial using IP addresses, then they should use IPv6. However, most people would prefer some kind of email like address, but computers would be quite happy storing and using the IPv6 numeric codes.

      The downside, would be vastly increased spamming. With Mozilla, spam gets automatically junked, but how do you do that with voice, once you pick the phone up...


      P.S. Please don't tell your president about the large pointed structure in the centre of Dublin, He'd probably think it a thinly disguised massive ICBM with Weapons of Mass Destruction.

    6. Re:Phone numbers are for sissies by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why IP and not by e-mail address?

      Ring. Ring.
      Me:
      Hello?
      SIP call:Stop wasting money! Enjoy holiday savings on Marlboros and more, with free shipping!
      click
      Ring. Ring.
      Me:
      Hello?
      SIP call: Get the AMAZING penis patch!
      click
      Ring. Ring.
      Me:
      Hello?
      SIP call: Having consulted with my colleagues and based on the information gathered from the Nigerian Chambers Of Commerce And Industry, I have the privilege to request for your assistance to transfer the sum...
      click
      Me:
      rip 7960 out of ethernet port, toss out window.

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    7. Re:Phone numbers are for sissies by Angus+Prune · · Score: 1

      But what if you have multiple email addresses?
      Would you be able to asign all of them to the same phone?

      What if you only have one email address?
      Would that mean that you are giving your phone number to everyone on the internet?

      Will we start getting spam to our phones?
      I can just imagine answering the phone to a stephen hawking clone offering you viagra at a SUPER LOW PRICE!!!!!1!!

      I, for one, don't think that voice should be integrated into the current communications over the internet. The Infrastructure I'm all for (As I just wrote here) but how it links in for the end-user is another issue entirely.
      If VoIP is adopted it could affect everything.
      - the phone numbers given out by companies and organisations.
      - the way phone books are compiled and presented. Can you imagine a phone similar to those awful amstrad emailer phones that is linked to a complete online phone directory?
      - the way we pay for our calls. If we're no longer payign for the line to be connected, simply for the service I could log into any phone anywhere and set it to recieve my calls and have any outgoing calls charged to me.


      The hardware transistion will be straight foward and may well be well ont eh way. Its how the public sees and uses VoIP that is the real issue.

    8. Re:Phone numbers are for sissies by jjshoe · · Score: 1

      Why email address? It should be yet another record in your dns entry. How are we going to remember your email address any better then an ip when its Squareball1974is3l33t@some.free.isp.com ?

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    9. Re:Phone numbers are for sissies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IP (both v4 and v6) also have a 'countries & area's' scheme. While they don't necessarily follow lines on a map, they often do.

    10. Re:Phone numbers are for sissies by swb · · Score: 1

      Area codes and phone numbers are totally artificial, but at some point the actual infrstructure isn't artificial. Even IP addresses are allocated roughly in a geographic pattern, primarily to ease the routing burden for border routers and create better summaries. If you're dialing their IP address, chances are high that you ARE dialing a country or regional code but don't realize that the IP assignment was largely from a regionally assigned pool.

      Clearly what's needed is not region codes or country codes, but a DNS type directory system which is capable of mapping easy to remember names to more specific info like IP addresses or other destination-specific info.

  10. VoIP is plusgood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hooray - now phones can have the same coverage and reliability as broadband Internet. What a leap forward.

  11. privacy by tuxette · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Do these "foolish laws and regulations" include privacy laws and regulations?

    EPIC's VoIP letter to the FCC

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  12. Skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Skype will be one of the shakers. 5 million downloads, soaring up with exponential curve, still in beta but over constantly over 100K users online at the same time.

    Unless they sell it away, there is no reason why Skype would not shake the market similarly as Kazaa did. Expect atleast to see the Telcos to read the law in new and inspiring ways to stop the rush.

    1. Re:Skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only until it is revealed that Skype contains a few "undocumented" features that most users won't like. You don't *really* believe that the Kazaa folks would give up the chance to spread more spyware, do you? If you do then you're an idiot... look closely at a dump of the binary. What do you see? Oh, nothing of course, you're a Windoze user who reads Slashdot.

    2. Re:Skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly what in my posting did you reply to with your anger? I think I was just stating the fact in a neutral way.

      (and I do not read Slashdot that much nowadays because there is always a crowd of dumbasses like you ready to make smartass comments, and yes I use Windows mostly for the non-work, because it is much better in that).

  13. Re:The technology is there, but by cullenfluffyjennings · · Score: 2, Informative

    I agree there are some issues for the VoIP folks to figure out here but for comparisons sake ....

    the first question you get asked when you phone 911 on a traditional land line is "where are you?" This is because the traditional location information is wrong a surprising amount of the time.

  14. shame on you by segment · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I'll make sure that SoIP does NOT work with your products manwhore

  15. Troll--stealing posts. by Davak · · Score: 4, Informative

    ROTFL... but I am honored.

    If you are going to steal one of my previous posts, please remove my name from the post before you hit submit.

    This guy is using a database of highly ranked posts to boost his karma.

    Davak

    1. Re:Troll--stealing posts. by kfg · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of the time someone stole my mom's car, took it joyriding in a cornfield for a while and then pushed it off a bridge just to watch it smash up.

      They caught him. He dropped his driver's license in the car. Dork.

      Some people are too stupid to be dumb punks, even if they did manage to get into Union College somehow.

      KFG

    2. Re:Troll--stealing posts. by ModernGeek · · Score: 1

      might wanna email taco or cowboyneal about it.

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    3. Re:Troll--stealing posts. by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 1

      This from a guy who stole his sig... =)

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    4. Re:Troll--stealing posts. by evil_one · · Score: 1

      Was your mom pissed when the cops arrested you?

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  16. Re:The technology is there, but by wampus · · Score: 1

    I was just looking at getting Vonage this very afternoon. They claim to route your 911 calls to the correct place based upon information you give.

  17. Re:The technology is there, but by jaredmauch · · Score: 1
    We've been using the Cisco 7960/40's and Asterisk for just over a year now in ever increasing size. We've moved all our conference calling over to it and have over 100 people on 3 continents using the phones with no troubles. This has allowed us to do more impromptu conferencing when necessary and eliminate the need for some telephone lines. The cost of the IP Phones has been well worth it and we continue to add phones as time goes on. We have a link to the PSTN (PRI on a Cisco 3640) . While these items aren't in the price range of the typical /.'er, they've done quite well in paying for themselves. The single biggest challenge is what I'll call the "NAT" problem. Since we use SIP, and you need a way to tell the phone to "ring", you have to be able to send a message to it. The "routers" that are sold at your local consumer electronics store don't always do the right thing.

    The biggest challenge I see these days is VoIP is becoming like online music stores. Everyone is trying to get in the act of offering it because it's free from fees/regulation for the most part... The market will become saturated and the time to make money on the service will be gone fairly quickly.

  18. who cares about privacy by segment · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Will VoIP be Wiretap Ready?

    "according to FCC filings, FBI officials had a more private meeting with half-a-dozen FCC staffers to reiterated the Bureau's view on the matter: VoIP should be regulated-- at least enough to ensure that the FBI can listen-in."

    1. Re:who cares about privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would the world really come to and end if the public had access to a completely private (strong encyption; no escrow) voice channel? No, it wouldn't, and given completely secure VoIP I'm sure only a tiny percentage of people would gladly give up their freedom to keep a secret under "I've got nothing to hide" fallacy; not enough to make a difference.

  19. Re:The technology is there, but by JPriest · · Score: 1

    You can call 911 on a land line even if you don't have service!

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  20. Re:MOD UP by Molina+the+Bofh · · Score: 1

    >Why do some of you hijack mention of SCO in your pathetic attempts to MOD UP on FUNNY POINTS?

    Nice you brought this subject. I just hope SCO does not claim property of VoIP.

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  21. What does this mean? by cfuse · · Score: 4, Funny
    So everyone's top-tech predictions for 2004 says it will be the year of VoIP. What does that really mean?

    Instead of "your call is important to us" you get a 404 error.

    1. Re:What does this mean? by yack0 · · Score: 1

      I'd think it'd be a 503. Not enough operators on hand, exceeded usage...

      Now, disconnected number - that'd sound more like a 404 ;)

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  22. 2004 is VoIP year? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i join my company 4 years ago. one of our main goals then was (and still is to a certain extend) to sell/deploy VoIP solutions to ILECs/CLECs in the asia region. VoIP was suppose to be the "next" thing in the following year.

    3... coming to 4 years now. VoIP is still not that widely taken up. so will 2004 be the VoIP year? i don't think so. with cost cutting and the still slow adoption rate, it will be another VoID year.

  23. Reason why we should go over to IPv6? by sokk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Another reason why we should go over to the IPv6 standard as soon as it's mature. If everyone wants VoIP we have to get more IPs.

    The hack called NAT can probably be hacked even more to do this, but it would've been a lot easier if we used the almost infinite pool of IPs accessible through IPv6.

    A new domain should also arise dedicated to naming of IPs. Easier with name + city, instead of those nice long IPs? :)

    I'm not very familiar with VoIP, so correct me if I'm wrong.

    1. Re:Reason why we should go over to IPv6? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're wrong. voip works happily through NAT.

    2. Re:Reason why we should go over to IPv6? by sokk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sure it works, but it's still a hack on a hack. Thinking like this ("it works, why fix it") will surely cause problems in the future. It will be a real mess, or rather a bunch of hacks rather then a clean implementation. I hope I don't get to be here when we hit the roof :) NAT (ups and downs): - Too much configuration needed. + Security (we _know_ that some OSes really aren't ready for being 'naked' on the world wild web (Yes, I know it's wide) - in the sense of not having a firewall.)

  24. Still Slashdotted by aclarke · · Score: 2, Funny
    I can totally understand links in the average article getting slashdotted, but dude you linked to an article on your own site and STILL couldn't keep the site up? Harsh.

    I'll bet if you posted on /. that you're looking for a competent system administrator, you'd find one.

    1. Re:Still Slashdotted by gardel · · Score: 1

      Actually, what I'm really looking for is a host that keeps promises. Moved to a new server because of similar previous problems during traffic spikes and was told the server is more than capable. I'm very unhyappy, very embarrassed and very sorry for the inconvenience.

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    2. Re:Still Slashdotted by aclarke · · Score: 1

      One of my clients has been with Annex.com for about 2.5 years. Traffic on that site is pretty steady so I don't know how they handle large spikes, but I can say that their service has been exceptional. You might want to take a look there.

  25. Critical Mass by chickenwing · · Score: 1

    I wonder if at some point phone numbers and gateways to the conventional phone system as we know them today become irrelevant.

    1. Re:Critical Mass by King_TJ · · Score: 1

      I think they probably will, but cellphone technology (and most recently, the available of "portable numbers" for them) will breathe a little more life into the phone number concept first.

      In fact, I could even see where a switchover to IP based telephony would be made more seamless to the general public by offering DNS type services that convert your phone number into your assigned IP address.

  26. it's already here by RouterSlayer · · Score: 1

    there are many ways to do this now, cheaply and easily too.

    hook up headphones and a mic to your pc and use any one of the free service websites, I don't want to name them, as I dont wish to seem like promoting them, and I'm sure you can find them on your own.

    Also, where I live at least, there is a USB Phone you can buy for about $40, it's basically just a standard phone that plugs into your USB port, and you can call ANYONE in the world who has a USB phone, even another brand name.

    And the software is freely bundled with it, requires no special ISP services, your call goes out as data, and the ISP doesn't even know about it.

    So there you go, the beginning of the end for telco's is here, their days are numbered, not that anyone is crying...

    Heck, I think even radio shack offers a phone like this now, in US and Canada.

    1. Re:it's already here by Comen · · Score: 1

      Man do people get confussed the topic of VOIP does not just pretain to your home internet connection what you might think you are getting away with calling someone over the unreliable internet.
      THis has much much more to do with telephone companies changing out billions of dollars of older analog voice switching equipment to what will be ip a IP packet switched infrastructure.
      It is a really big deal, and has a huge possibilities.
      It is simply a matter of time before most interal telphone company traffic is IP and teh costs savings are very real, but would take awhile to explain.

    2. Re:it's already here by yuri+benjamin · · Score: 1

      So there you go, the beginning of the end for telco's is here, their days are numbered

      Except for those telcos who reinvent themselves as communication infrastructure providers.
      Whether they provide POTS or only IP connections, they'll still be in the business of connecting customers, or providing backbone infrastructure to ISPs.

      Those who fail to reinvent themselves will become extinct though.

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  27. IAXprovider.net by Graabein · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Shameless plug:

    IAXprovider.net is the site for people who want to network their Asterisk systems (IAX is the protocol Asterisk uses to talk to other Asterisk instances) with other Asterisk users.

    The site is intended as a hub for Asterisk users to meet up, network and take over the world of telephony.

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  28. A little late but about VoIP regulation... by dollar70 · · Score: 1
    I've seen a few people touch on this comment already, but I thought I'd state it in my own words: Why would you regulate something you don't know for certain is going to be a standard? It's almost like regulating the sales of pet rocks or cabbage patch dolls because they look like they might be the next big thing. Sure, things flare up and look wildly popular for a time, but did you actually think that beanie babies would replace currency?

    The only reason to regulate a utility is when the importance of a utility to the establishment has exceded the capacity of the providers of said utility, thus requiring government imposed regulation to ensure the maintained existance of the utility for the general welfare of the people within the establishment.

    VoIP is NOT essential. While it may be a novel way for a few companies to deal with communications and their costs, the POTS are by far the most essential means for people to communicate, and is in no danger of being surplanted any time in the near future.

    Seriously, we need to stop legislators from making laws like this. It is pure follie to believe that it is possible to write a good law that is intended to be pre-emptive of future advances. Only fools would allow such things.

  29. VoIP, the decade's most overhyped innovation by isdnip · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem with VoIP is that it isn't half as good as people think it is -- there are certainly good niche applications, and ways to use it profitably, but it simply isn't the be-all and end-all. Why do people fawn over it so much? I think it's largely because "IP" has that "k3w1" quality of the Internet in general, while phones are passe -- hardly a good way to make rational decisions.

    This paper is pretty useful:
    http://klamath.stanford.edu/~nickm/papers /HotNets0 2-IP_conquest_of_the_world_with_authors.pdf

    In the meantime, VoIP grows because some countries allow it to be used for a sort of regulatory arbitrage. It popped up before the rules covered it, or they didn't know how to deal with it, so it got special favored treatment. That's not the same as saying it is "unregulated"! In the USA, long distance is almost unregulated, but the local telephone monoplies are regulated -- they have a stake in how much they can charge for VoIP calls that use their networks the same way other long distance calls do. Expect an interesting year at the FCC while this is debated.

    I do not expect computer-to-computer VoIP to be regulated (in the USA) at all; it's simply not anyone's but the users' to deal with. But of course some cable or DSL providers might try to block it, in order to sell their own phone services -- that'll be interesting to watch.

  30. missedperception by segment · · Score: 1
    <troll>
    VoIP will never promise that this will work perfectly without fault for legal reasons.
    If VoIP starts promising me something I'll check myself into the psychward ;O
    </troll>

    and all I want is dependable 911 access. 911 is a joke

    Dude, just go hardcore and implant your family with Verichip, or Digital Angel. 'INSERT catchy_slogan_thing INTO POST FROM SUBJECT WHERE NAME LIKE missedperception'; "Forget 911 go private consumer based ultra neeto protection. Fun for the cattle and dogs, and now the whole family!"

  31. Re:The technology is there, but by yuri+benjamin · · Score: 1

    The same thing is keeping me from switching to VoIP that keeps me switching to cell phone only... 911 access.

    A friend of mine works for Vodafone NZ (one of two cellphone providers in New Zealand). If the police ask them to, they can pinpoint a cellphone to within a few metres. So if I dial 111 (NZ equiv to 911) the emergency services can always find me.

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  32. Enexpensive SIP Server by PorkNutz · · Score: 1

    Great topic.

    I am the IT cheif on a 300ft fishing vessel. We are in the process of rolling out a wireless network that will cover 90 percent of the areas on the boat. The network will be used by administration, engineering, the deck department, the galley and the processing staff.

    One of the selling points for this network was VoIP using Pocket PC based PDAs or SIP phones. While I have found several freeware clients, I have yet to find a windows based sip server that I can test (a trial period). Merlin 1.1 is available but they seem to have abandoned it as far as the trial is concerned because it has to connect to a internet server before it will install and the server is always unavailable.

    Any suggestions?

    1. Re:Enexpensive SIP Server by ptimmons · · Score: 1

      Interactive Intelligence distributes a free SIP proxy for Windows. It's easy to get up and running, but my testing has been somewhat limited. They also have a User Support forum where the ININ developers will answer your questions directly.

      http://www.inin.com/sipproxy/ will get you there.

      NB: I am not affiliated with ININ.

  33. Where can I get a VoIP phone? by pcmanjon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Where can I get a VoIP phone service (and a cheap yet good deal for a VoIP phone)? Can't find information on how to get VoIP in your home anywhere. I want to do this cause as I understand it, you aren't charged for long distance because (of course) your conversation is being transmitted over the internet. This means I'll have the luxury of calling anywhere in the US (and possibly the world) without a long distance fee.)

    1. Re:Where can I get a VoIP phone? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      You can't AFAIK. You'd need an IP enabled PABX and a DSL/Cable connection connected to it... too expensive for a home user.

      OTOH you can add a mic/speakers to your PC and use it. I haven't for a while - hated it because I can't stand having to say 'over' at the end of each sentence (the latency is horrible - I was talking to someone in russia and there was a >10 second wait for a reply).

    2. Re:Where can I get a VoIP phone? by pcmanjon · · Score: 1

      BTW I'm on DSL broadband, so, is any other equipment needed (then a CAT5 telephone)?

  34. Call quality and reliability is the killer by rmonday · · Score: 2, Informative
    VOIP is OK if you really, really need to save money, but often it's more important to be able to reach somebody immediately on a line where you can actually understand each other, all of the time.

    It's a similar problem with the deep discount long distance carriers in the US and elsewhere. Usable if you don't expect it to work all the time, and if you don't mind delays, echos and so on, but even for personal calls it's often better to pay the extra for a proper carrier, just to save the wasted time from having to repeat things and call back.

    So, there's a market for VOIP at the cheap end of the market, and it's hurting the really low-cost carriers already, but there will remain a much bigger market for phone service that just works, all the time, has proper capacity engineering, and has a high quality connection.

    1. Re:Call quality and reliability is the killer by Comen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Again people dont confuss VOIP with being over the internet all the time, it is simply "Voice over IP", IP does not equal Internet.
      Most the time people assume they are talking about some shitty software and mic hooked to thier computer. Others might only think of VOIP as being in the last mile, liek a new VOIP PBX they just installed at work that lets them do some really cool shit.
      VOIP can be all that and allot more, but what this is talking about it telco's racing to replace all their internal voice equipment with newer IP switchs that will save allot of time and money.
      Also once telco's do that, Yes the goverment will want a good way to listen is on those converstations at the telco's CO, jsut liek they do now. The telephone companies will have to have a way to give they access to each phone call etc..

  35. SIP Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recently bought a pair of SIP phones from http://www.sipphone.com , I mailed one to a friend in Germany (the shipping and duties were terrible BTW). Just got it working, it's a little fussy about firewalls... but it's clear as a bell. Now I'm just getting my other friends to get the same device... very cool. No, I have no stock in the phone, but I DO LIKE IT.

  36. Um. Re:Not just IP... by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 1
    I don't really know too much about VoIP, but what happens when the power goes out?

    There's a simple solution for that. It's called a cell phone. Works great during a powercut. Welcome to the late, rather than the early 20th century. The combination of VOIP and cell phone gives you high availability *and* cheapness.

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    1. Re:Um. Re:Not just IP... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which century is that again? 20'th you say? Interesting...I could've SWORN it was the 5'th year of the 21'st century. ...check your facts.

      Have a nice day! :)

      -thefactnatzi

    2. Re:Um. Re:Not just IP... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just coz you're all cool with fencepost errors.

      Showoff :-)

    3. Re:Um. Re:Not just IP... by EpsCylonB · · Score: 1

      Of course if the local base station is affected by the power cut as well...

    4. Re:Um. Re:Not just IP... by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 1

      Unlikely. They've got backup power supplies.

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  37. When existing mobiles can have VoIP added... by Kris_J · · Score: 1
    My Series 60 phone gives 3rd-party apps access to the mic, speaker and GPRS data connection. VoIP will take off when someone produces an app for the S60 and other popular "smart" phones that allows VoIP calls to be made as easily as a normal voice call, but cheaper.

    Of course, since I have A$30 a month free on voice calls, but data costs A$.0055/k, that's going to be tricky. Also, there's nothing to stop mobile providers blocking the service. I can't connect to ICQ using Agile Messenger, nor can people surf my phone if I run an httpd.

  38. Re:Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Giant, wheezing, pus-oozing corporations pull themselves up the stairs and through the open door of the "place where great ideas are discussed(tm)" whereupon they recline upon the new technology with their shit-caked, impossibly fat asses and proceed to absorb every last molecule of joy out of the room to the tune of buzzing horseflies the size of dinette sets and ROI estimates.


    Cool... are they hiring?

  39. If only everyone had static IP addresses. by Animats · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If everyone had static IP addresses, deploying voice over IP would be straightforward. You'd buy a box, plug it in, and start telling people your number. No "service", other than a network connection, required. There would be directories, and DNS, but they'd be optional.

    NAT prevents this straightforward implementation, which must make telcos very happy.

    1. Re:If only everyone had static IP addresses. by citadelgrad · · Score: 1

      Its straightforward in the since the you log onto your phone so your number follows you whereever you are. No need for a static ip.

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    2. Re:If only everyone had static IP addresses. by Animats · · Score: 1
      Its straightforward in the since the you log onto your phone so your number follows you whereever you are. Huh?

      The point of having a static IP address is that there's nobody in the middle that you have to log onto. Nobody who gets to send you a bill, other than your ISP. Nobody who can raise your phone rate. Are you getting this yet?

    3. Re:If only everyone had static IP addresses. by citadelgrad · · Score: 1

      The point of having a static IP address is that there's nobody in the middle that you have to log onto.

      So you memorize everyones ip address. That'll suck! I can't wait to start memorizing IPv6 addresses!!! Your solution creates more problems. I'm guessing you don't have any real experience with implementing VoIP.

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  40. Re:The technology is there, but by TheLostStooge · · Score: 1

    OK, so you call 911 (or 111) and they dont get an address.

    They then contact your provider, the provider says "need a court order to give out that info, sorry",

    law enforcement gets an order from a judge,

    your providers legal department finally gets it faxed over,

    the troll that can collect the information is out to lunch (pause 1 hour), he gets the info, hands it back to legal,

    a week later when your local law enforcement finally gets the info your sorry a*& has been eaten in a bold and gloryous act of canabalism by the other people your a&^ got lost with, but it is ok because THEY will be found.


    No thanks.


    By the way I have vonage and they will let you configure 911 to your local station. Only thing is if you use it at multi locations for any reason it will only route to the PD you set it up for.


    Stooge

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  41. CNN's Tech predictions for 2004 by $exyNerdie · · Score: 1


    Tech predictions for 2004

    It includes VOIP as well...

  42. Re:The technology is there, but by yuri+benjamin · · Score: 1

    That might be how it works in your country.
    Telcos in NZ don't go through the bullcrap you describe if the request comes from emergency services. We still have some common sense in this country, although that is evaporating as we become more like america.

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  43. It is for us. by citadelgrad · · Score: 1

    Over the next year we are going to all VoIP for all users that are not in our call center. We currently have about 75 phones in use. Pretty cool getting your Voice mail as a wav file in your email.

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  44. Consider how regulation is good by Aens · · Score: 1

    I listened to some of the FCC discussion on CSPAN, and with all the mindless "let VOIP be free" perspectives being spouted here, let me raise a few of the more valid concerns I heard with letting VOIP go completely unregulated (and forecasting a dramatic drop in POTS usage as broadband spreads and people use it for phone):

    1. Emergency use:
    VOIP will not have the level of reliability of POTS, especially during natural disasters and other emergencies. In theory an IP network can be made just as reliable, but the simple issue of powering the phones is a big issue... the phone system generally has been significantly more reliable than the power system. With a VOIP phone, you're dead if you lose power. Traditional phones keep going.

    This may seem like a small issue, but an example cited during the hearing was a major weather-related power outage in California, where the utility determined after the fact that customers were less annoyed by the fact that the power was off than the fact that the phone system at the power company was not equipped to give them good repair status information. People count on the phone system, and it needs to be there, especially for 911 emergency use.

    2. Funding and effectiveness of 911
    The 911 system is funded by POTS and cellular surcharges. Even a 25% drop in POTS usage due to VOIP would be disasterous from a funding perspective. And remember that when you call 911 from a landline (and in more and more areas, cellular), they know where you are. VOIP is extremely far away from having any sort of location capability.

    3. Funding of Universal Access
    Everyone in the country has access to phone service, no matter how rural / remote they are. This has been a tremendously important program, but would have funding problems similar to 911 if a big chunk of POTS goes away.

    Anyway, my point is that despite how "retro" POTS is technically, it has significant merits that VOIP currently does not provide. I'm not suggesting that any of the problems described above are unsolveable for VOIP, but I think it's awfully unlikely that "market forces" will magically provide the answers. There needs to be some regulation in order that the good in POTS is preserved going forward.

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    1. Re:Consider how regulation is good by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Here are some scenarios immediately following the crunch on POTS networks brought by the inevitable VoIP confrontation:

      1. Emergency use: People should get UPS'es. They will power not only their VoIP gear, but also their current landline cordless basestations. Hell, the increasing unreliabilty of the power networks point at a great market for UPS'es, maybe the first market for residential fuelcells. The collapsing central power distribution paradigm might give way to a more reliable, economic and ecological distributed network, of necessity.

      2. 911 funding/effectiveness: Require VoIP installers to obtain a geographic location whenever they are powercycled. Tech can fix this, again offering a better version of the analog tech it supplants. As for funding, the better economic efficiencies offer more money available for funding the community services, like 911, which are also cheaper to implement, by the same token. The old model, tied to old tarriffs, must be replaced, but again, the new version will be better.

      3. Universal Access: Rural/poor people will obviously keep the creaky old system, even as their subsidizers disappear to the better VoIP networks. But once they themselves flee the sinking ship, one way or another, their inclusion in the VoIP networks will bring all the other IP network opportunities. And that can really take the edge off being poor, or isolated, offering ways out for the motivated, and even accessorizing the way in, for those motivated to drop out of the rat race.

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  45. The future of voip by Aens · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As someone who works in this industry, I thought I'd share some of the future of telecomm for those who aren't 'in the know'. All communication lines going to any endpoint (home, business, sensors, etc) are quickly moving to an IP based data network. Unfortunately, there are two problems that governments and current telephone companies face:
    1) Roughly 50% of their voice revenue stream comes from per minute connection charges, other carrier access charges, & regulation charges (govn't). These will evaporate when subscribers move to data driven VoIP (ie: you pay a flat fee for DSL or cable modem bandwidth now, and it can run all your voice calls to anywhere in the world). Eventually the PSTN connection part will no longer be necessary, so Vonage will disappear as we know it today, but it has finally woken up the telcos to what the future will bring.
    2) Pretty much the other half of their revenue stream comes from the 'premium' voice feature services (call waiting, text messaging, etc), all of which are quickly moving from the class 5 switch into the phones themselves (aka: free).

    What do you do when your primary revenue stream evaporates? Fight it in the courts or with govn't officials. Remember, govn'ts have been taking a nice chunk of that revenue for themselves as well.

    We will have to move to a bandwidth & quality of service (QoS) based payment style. A minimum bandwidth is given for a flat rate (which will include -all- voice), and extra bandwidth will be provided on demand at an agreed QoS. The higher the bandwidth & QoS, the higher the fee.

    Things to watch out for: VoIP everywhere, SIP phones/services, VoWLAN, current voice carriers moving their infrastructure to their IP networks, and govn't regulations dictating that comm lines (called data services & unregulated) become regulated for QoS.

    The companies that move to this model last will not survive. They aren't going to like this. :-)

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  46. Re:The technology is there, but by rmonday · · Score: 1
    You presumably mean you can call 911 from a cell phone without an active account (in the US).

    A land line without service (i.e. no dial tone) can't call 911 or anything else.

  47. Legislate or be legislated by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2

    VoIP is different from WWW, P2P, and the other Internet services you mentioned: when it replaces a landline, it is an *essential service*. However, as it is delivered in a much more open, competitive environment from POTS of the Bell era, it is also different from the tarrifed landline service. Some of the regulations that protected the "natural monopoly" of landline corporations, like the Bells, and protected us from them, don't apply. But some do. We will need a good public discussion of what minimum regulations are necessary, to protect consumers' privacy, freedom of choice, and quality of the essential service. We also need consensus on how to protect entrepreneurs from the crushing competition of the incumbent carriers, including cable and other WAN service providers. Especially in the absence of anyone resembling a visionary in Washington, we at the bleeding edge of VoIP experimentation must formulate policies that protect our communities as we switch to this powerful 3rd Millennium platform. Or some clown politician in some corporation's pocket will ruin it all for us, once the money becomes irresistable.

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  48. VOIP software that allows directly connecting? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1


    Does anyone have a link to VOIP software that allows directly connecting to an IP, and is free and open source? Skype has great sound quality, but I am worried about their honesty.

    What other VOIP software is out there for making direct calls with no intermediary elements, even if it is not free and open source?

  49. What do YOU see? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    "Look closely at a dump of the binary. What do you see?"

    What do YOU see? I see nothing that immediately raises questions.

  50. www.vonage.com by peterdaly · · Score: 1

    www.vonage.com

    There are others too, but I don't know them off the top of my head.

  51. Could you recommend VOIP software? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1


    Marcelo,

    Could you recommend VOIP software to be used to connect directly from one computer to another, without an intermediary, using the sound cards in the computers? Is there any such software that is open source? I don't see links to such software on your web site.

    1. Re:Could you recommend VOIP software? by Snocone · · Score: 1

      There's several old H.323 conferencing applications around, but I don't believe that there's any {0|o}pen {S|s}ource SIP applications functional yet, which is what most people mean by "VOIP" these days.

      If your principles aren't so strong that they make you refuse to use stuff that's being given away for free, though, you could always grab our X-Lite softphone and sign up with Free World Dialup or the like.

      http://www.xten.com/

    2. Re:Could you recommend VOIP software? by pixel_bc · · Score: 1

      > but I don't believe that there's any {0|o}pen {S|s}ource
      > SIP applications functional yet

      Actually, I think KPhone is exactly along those lines.

  52. SPAM will let VoIP emerge... by esarjeant · · Score: 1

    Now that the national do-not-call registry is in place, telephone slammers everywhere are looking for a new outlet. Well, you can bet that they are going to start looking at VoIP telephones as prime candidates for telemarketing; and to make this happen they will be establishing strong business alliances with VoIP providers.

    This will cash-infuse VoIP businesses like Vonage, which will help them beat the POTS soundly on dollar value. All of this is going to get further momentum as companies like AT&T start to get entrenched in the VoIP market.

    With that said, the last technological hurdle is to integrated your VoIP communication with various modes of communication (email, fax, online chat, voice) on multiple devices (PC, telephone and cellphone).

    Imagine if I could select "Joe" from my address book and then choose how I want to communicate. If Joe is sitting at his computer I could select an online chat (they call it instant messaging now, it use to be talkd), or if I was at my PC and I wanted to send Joe a printed document I could fax it to him.

    Once you break the confines of your plain old telephone service, all of these convergences are possible. VoIP will breakout as these become available, and the spammers are going to subsidize the whole thing.

    If you're an investor, I have a suspicion that AT&T will be the first company to do all of this...

    --

    Eric Sarjeant
    eric[@]sarjeant.com

  53. If you want to speed the death of the PSTN... by Pantheraleo2k3 · · Score: 1

    then have the VoIP providers (Vonage, Packet8, etc) band together so a Vonage user can call a Packet8 user without going through the PSTN. This will be a must if VoIP (Vonage-style) catches on.

    However, I REALLY don't think the Internet could handle VoIP becoming popular. Not yet at least

  54. I don't need SIP. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1


    I looked at the Xten software. I just want to connect with a friend in France. I don't need SIP. I would just like to use the sound card for sound. I want to avoid use of a server for making connections, because all the companies will soon begin charging for this unnecessary service.

    Skype works perfectly. The sound quality is better than regular telephones. However, there are some problems: 1) Skype is made by the same people who made KaZaa. Possibly it has hidden functions like KaZaa does. I've already found that every time it is used it keeps installing itself so that it runs every time the computer is turned on. 2) Skype requires an intermediate server. I would like to connect directly to my friend's IP address. 3) I haven't verified this, but Skype seems to use a hard-coded public key, so that, even though the voice is encrypted, it would be easy for anyone to decrypt.

    Skype can communicate through any firewall. If it doesn't find other ports open, it works on port 80. (For those who don't know, that's the HTTP browser port.) It would be great to find some open source software that could do that, because I don't like punching holes in firewalls. (However, if voice can go through port 80, so can absolutely anything else.)

    Are you associated with Xten? I notice you say, "... our X-Lite softphone...". Your resume looks interesting, but I don't see any mention of XTen.

    1. Re:I don't need SIP. by Snocone · · Score: 1

      Are you associated with Xten?

      I do the OS X version of the client and the Linux/BSD sides of the X-Tunnels, X-Cipher, and X-Vox products. Basically "the all non-Windows OS code person".

      Your resume looks interesting, but I don't see any mention of XTen.

      That's because the resume only gets updated when I'm actively looking for work, which hasn't been since I started here.

  55. change of name? by midgley · · Score: 1
    What will it be called when the litigious trademark holders of the Asterix the Gaul (and Obelix, by Toutatis!) get to hear of them?

    Mobilix got a forced namechange a while back, and that name was a far cry from the main characters.