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Author signs MyDoom virus

Mikoca writes "Information Week carries the story of how its author signed it "andy" and left the message "I'm just doing my job, nothing personal, sorry." Thanks, Andy!"

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  1. HEY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    i know a guy named andy.

    im gonna turn him in for fun and profit

    and

    FP!

    1. Re:HEY! by musicscene · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not before I turn in my pal Andy first... what if he's the same guy? Split it with you.

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    2. Re:HEY! by really? · · Score: 4, Funny

      My name _IS_ Andy. Can I turn my self in?

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  2. This just in... by swordboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    The next version of Redhat Linux will be code named, "Andy". Because, afterall, MyDoom = Linux.

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  3. well.. by gl4ss · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "" "If he's really sorry, then why did he release it," said Michele Morelock, technical support leader at anti-virus software maker Sophos Inc. "I would imagine it's much more tongue-in-cheek than saying I'm really sorry for releasing it." ""

    maybe he just got an offer he couldn't refuse...

    i'm sure somebody will say that darl had himself made that offer :)

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    1. Re:well.. by wizarddc · · Score: 4, Funny
      i'm sure somebody will say that darl had himself made that offer :)


      You just fulfilled your own self fulfilling prophecy, young man. Excellent work.
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    2. Re:well.. by MaxiCat_42 · · Score: 2, Interesting


      'it's always Sophos'

      Mainly because they are small enough to have people with names working for them and their software is pretty good.

    3. Re:well.. by mark-t · · Score: 3, Interesting
      That's bullshit.

      He can always say no.

      Of course, he might be risking getting fired for saying it.

      Personally, I'd rather be unemployed than be paid by someone with the ethics to deliberately release software like this.

      Of course, where I live, I'd be paid a reasonable sum for turning the guy in (presumably there would be _some_ sort of paper trail that could be used as evidence... and if there wasn't, what reason would there even be to *START* on the project?). And that would give me some money to live on while I searched for a different job.

      Hmm... now that I think about it, how would this go in an interview...? "Why did you quit your last job?" "My boss asked me to do something that was illegal." You know... I have no idea how the interviewer might respond to that... I could see it going either way.

    4. Re:well.. by LunarOne · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I work for a company and dont always have the choice to release or not. his boss just ordered him.

      That's what many Nazis used as a defense. It didn't work then, and it doesn't work now.

      Okay, that's a little harsh. Still, we all have a choice when faced with ethical decisions, it just comes down to whether or not we have the guts to make the right choice.

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  4. can't blame him by NMerriam · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hey, he didn't go to four years of Evil Computer Science school just to write another CMS.

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  5. Right, that's his real name. by musingmelpomene · · Score: 4, Funny

    So now we're looking for anyone NOT named Andy, because even someone as stupid as a virus-writer wouldn't be so dumb as to put their real name on something this destructive.

    1. Re:Right, that's his real name. by Joseph+Vigneau · · Score: 4, Funny

      So now we're looking for anyone NOT named Andy, because even someone as stupid as a virus-writer wouldn't be so dumb as to put their real name on something this destructive.

      Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

    2. Re:Right, that's his real name. by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait till he gets going!

    3. Re:Right, that's his real name. by Chase · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now, a clever man would use his real name, because he would know that only a great fool would believe he was given. We are not great fools, so we can clearly not choose Andy. But he must have known we were not a great fools, he would have counted on it, so clearly his name must be Andy...

      So you've made you're choice?

      You'd like to think so wouldn't you!

      You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is "Never get involved in a debate over *NIX editors", but only slightly less famous is this: "Never go in against a Geek, when *Linux* is on the line!". Hahahahahah!

      *Thud*

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    4. Re:Right, that's his real name. by quantaman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes -- Russia, and you must have suspected I would have known the virus's origin, so I can clearly not choose the name in front of me.

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    5. Re:Right, that's his real name. by Pike · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...Where was I?

    6. Re:Right, that's his real name. by revividus · · Score: 5, Funny
      >>So now we're looking for anyone NOT named Andy, because even someone as stupid as a virus-writer wouldn't be so dumb as to put their real name on something this destructive.

      >Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

      But he must have known that we were not stupid, either, and so clearly he knew we would look for someone NOT named Andy, which means that we cannot rule out anyone who IS named Andy, either.

      But wait! I'm just getting started!

      The first detection of the virus was in Russia, and as everybody knows, in Soviet Russia the noun verbs YOU, so we clearly cannot rule out anyone who happens to be named "Novarg" or, uh, "MyDoom"...

      But Russia, as everybody knows, is entirely people by communists, and communists never do anything by themselves, but always as a group. So clearly we cannot rule out the entire nation of Russia working in concert to produce this virus.

      But the virus writer, knowing we were not stupid, undoubtedly knew that we would deduce all these facts about Russia, and so we clearly cannot rule out any one in the population of the rest of the world.

      Are we there yet? Not even close!

      The vast majority of virus writers are never caught, which means they are very careful. Very careful people do not unwittingly reveal their names, so we clearly must presume that the writer did not think the inclusion of the name "andy" would be of any help to us in finding him (or her).

      So then "andy" must have felt safe and secure amidst the worldwide sea of other andys, especially having not posted to /. in almost a year. Clearly the virus writer is andy.

    7. Re:Right, that's his real name. by Dr.+GeneMachine · · Score: 4, Funny

      *waves hand* This is not the Andy you're looking for...

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    8. Re:Right, that's his real name. by hesiod · · Score: 4, Funny

      > Inconceivable!!!

      You keep using that word... I do not believe it is as funny as you think it is funny.

    9. Re:Right, that's his real name. by Bob+McCown · · Score: 2, Funny

      Australia

    10. Re:Right, that's his real name. by 74nova · · Score: 2, Funny

      so you've made your decision?

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    11. Re:Right, that's his real name. by lysium · · Score: 3, Funny
      Just look at his karma. He is obviously a malcontent, and a deeply-placed one at that (ID 2990!). Quick, round up an angry mob! Vigilante justice will surely please the media at large.

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    12. Re:Right, that's his real name. by TrevizeNet · · Score: 2, Funny

      Inconceivable!

      You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    13. Re:Right, that's his real name. by tasinet · · Score: 2, Funny

      public void look()
      {
      //Or ARE we looking for an Andy, as he is expecting us to think like this:
      //So now we're looking for anyone NOT named Andy, because even someone as stupid as a
      //virus-writer wouldn't be so dumb as to put their real name on something this destructive

      notlook();
      }

      public void notlook()
      { //Or ARE we NOT looking for one, as he expects us to think like
      look(); }
      JavaLangExecError:Confused

  6. Andy... sure! by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I imagine lots of people in eastern bloc countries name their children "Andy". Plus, Andy is just a first name, it's not like s/he listed their home address or an IP or something like that. Still, it is interesting that they said this was just "their job"... organized crime hacking, perhaps?

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    1. Re:Andy... sure! by adamvjackson · · Score: 5, Informative

      I subscribe to an email list from www.insecure.org, as I'm sure several of us /.'ers do. Anyway, recently there was an article that summarized that according to the FBI, quite a lot of viruses, worms, and spam can supposedly be traced to organized crime. Apparently Eastern Europe seems to be a hub for this activity, according to that report.

    2. Re:Andy... sure! by glesga_kiss · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I was just saying that you need to watch many groups, including the FBI. They over-inflate risks etc in order to get budget. Every interest group does this, from environmentalists to industrialists.

      No big conspiracy...

    3. Re:Andy... sure! by dustmite · · Score: 2, Insightful

      FBI reports have in the past tended to sometimes be ridiculously loaded with over-exaggerations for purposes of lobbying the US government to increase (a) their funding and (b) their powers. Recall, even some years before the US invaded Iraq, reports of the Iraqi government (and there were reports of the Cuban government too) having a vast network of computers and computer hackers dedicated to creating major hacking threats to the US's 'IT infrastructure'. Dubious links to "national security risks". E.g. see http://www.landfield.com/isn/mail-archive/2003/Jan /0094.html. More similar propaganda about China: http://www.mail-archive.com/marxism@lists.panix.co m/msg21238.html.

      Although there is often some mild hacking activity from countries like this, the FBI sometimes WILDLY distorts the facts, and obviously it is in their interest to do so, since the result is the Senate assigning them ever greater funding and greater powers.

  7. sorry for what by mr_tommy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This guy isn't sorry. Sticking in things like this merely give the virus more media attention, and diverts attention from the real issue here : insecurity, and user failure to patch up.

    1. Re:sorry for what by leifm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What exploit does MyDoom take advantage of, other than user stupidity?

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    2. Re:sorry for what by Kenja · · Score: 4, Funny

      User stupidity is the bigist security hole there is. It is often exploited and east to patch with a ballpen hammer.

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    3. Re:sorry for what by jarran · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The "exploit" is the feature of dumb Microsoft mail clients which makes it so easy to execute random programs which arrive by e-mail.

      Why not just remove this feature? How many people would really be inconvenienced if it was impossible to execute a program that arrived by e-mail?

      It's possible that many users would still be stupid enough to save executables and run then anyway. In which case, the executables should be tagged as "Insecure" when they arrive by e-mail. If users then save them and try to run them, a big scary looking warning box should pop up, suggesting that the user probably doesn't really want to run the program.

      This wouldn't eliminate the problem. You can never totally prevent users being stupid. But if users have to think for longer than it takes to double click on an icon, the damage caused by these virus would be geratly reduced.

      (DISCLAIMER: I haven't actually used Outlook for years, so maybe it does something like this already, in which case I withdraw this comment and admit I'm wrong. :) )

    4. Re:sorry for what by sweatyboatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      MyDOOM takes advantage of the user's ability to run executables directly from his/her email client.

      why would you ever want to do this? i can't even think of the last time I got an executable attachment that wasn't a virus.

      all email programs should disable the feature that allows you to double click on an icon and launch a virus. because:
      A) no one needs a "feature" like this. Save to Disk and then run if neccesary.
      B) icons are designed to be clicked. as desktop users, we're trained to click on things. it's how we interact with our computer.
      C) a warning dialog after the double-click is useless. The person has already decided to run the program, to them it just seems like annoying interference from their stupid computer.

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    5. Re:sorry for what by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Plenty of people have been infected with MyDoom after saving and subsequently running the executable. Nice try though.

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    6. Re:sorry for what by rar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As many other has commented, the ability to click-and-run executables from the email clients is not the only reason for virus/worms spreading. Even with only 'save to disk' functionality, people will still run these binaries.

      It is often said that what users fail to understand is that they should not run "untrusted binaries". But in my opinion this is the greatest shortcoming of all modern operating systems. I want my operating system to shield resources beloninging to one binary from another. Much in the same way it shields the actions of one user on a muliti user unix system from affecting another user. Why can't the same basic ideas be used when I run 'nice-screen-saver.exe' to NOT allow it access to 'email-addresses.txt'?!

      Instead of having this functionality, I am told that the solution is to only run "trusted binaries"? But come on, it's not like I can personally audit all the code I run; and even if that would be possible it is easy to miss small bugs that eventually will run 'rm -rf' in my home directory. The point of this discussion is that NO binary should be ALLOWED to do 'rm -rf' in my home directory without me externally authorizing that operation. Exactly as I cannot read or delete user 'joe's files without his authorization.

    7. Re:sorry for what by jred · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not just executables. I know a user whose email server blocks all executable attachments. But you see, they received a zip file. Try this scenario:

      Oh, an email from... me? I didn't send myself an email. I think I'll open it. What's this? A zip file? I don't recognize it. Hmm, I think I'll open it. Aha! There's a program here that I've never seen before. I wonder why I zipped it up and emailed it to myself. I guess I better run it...

      Yes, in case you were wondering, this *actually* happened. I don't think MS could do anything to protect users such as this. I suppose they *could* run Knoppix or something, at least until more Linux viruses are floating around.

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  8. Oh man! by El+Camino+SS · · Score: 5, Funny

    Aunt B. is going to be pissed about this one.

    "AAAANNNDDYYYYYYYY!"

  9. Track him using the Patriot Act! by Filmwatcher888 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Arrest all people named Andy. Use the excuse that Andy is the rough English translation of Al-Quieda!

  10. Real Player by enkafan · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder if you search the code for Real Player the developers are apologizing throughout.

    I'm sorry I buried these options on the listbox,
    I'm sorry I'm popping up this on the screen,
    I'm sorry I'm forgetting the setting to not start on start up, etc.

    1. Re:Real Player by imag0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm sorry I'm ...bufferingbufferingbuffering...

  11. Worse than spam by ericwb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thanks, Andy for 30 messages per day of ~30 ko, not to mention all the "transaction failed" pseudo-return messages and what not. Waste of time, energy and bandwidth.

  12. Down already? by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 5, Funny

    The slashdotters replied to the server about taking it down: "We're just doing our job, nothing personal, sorry."

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  13. Andy? Like in Toy Story? by parkrrrr · · Score: 2

    Obviously the worm was written by someone connected with the Debian organization.

  14. Is this evidence? by joel2600 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Perhaps this is the evidence that finally brings to light that people working for software and/or hardware corporations are writing viruses because many average computer users will never be able to get rid of them forcing them or encouraging them to buy new machines.

    Maybe Andy really is just doing his job!

  15. Server Dead... heres the story by ad0le · · Score: 4, Informative

    The MyDoom variant that joined the original virus in wreaking havoc on the Internet last week contains a cryptic message in which the author appears to apologize for the malicious code, security experts say.

    The creator of what anti-virus experts say is the fastest spreading virus ever on the Internet signed MyDoom and MyDoom.B with "andy," and left the following message in the latter version: "I'm just doing my job, nothing personal, sorry."

    "Our interpretation is that he's apologizing to the general public," Jimmy Kuo, research fellow at anti-virus software maker Network Associates Technology Inc., said Friday. "Our guess is that someone is paying him to write this thing."

    Both MyDoom versions install a "back door" in infected PCs, enabling hackers to commandeer the machines to send spam, launch denial of service attacks, or perform other nefarious acts.

    Some experts, however, doubted the sincerity of the apology. Many virus writers leave cryptic messages in their code to tease investigating authorities and to pat themselves on the back for their handiwork.

    "If he's really sorry, then why did he release it," said Michele Morelock, technical support leader at anti-virus software maker Sophos Inc. "I would imagine it's much more tongue-in-cheek than saying I'm really sorry for releasing it."

    The MyDoom virus launched a denial-of-service attack early Sunday that crippled SCO Group's Web site with hundreds of thousands of requests, an SCO spokesman said. The attack is programmed to continue on the company's Web site until Feb. 12, according to messages left inside the virus' code.

    But the spokesman said SCO will unveil a contingency plan Monday for customers to access the site. He declined to discuss those plans, citing hackers.

    MyDoom.B also prevents infected computers from accessing the Web sites of Microsoft and many anti-virus software makers, making it difficult for the owner of an infected machine to get help.

    Microsoft and SCO have each offered a reward of $250,000 for the arrest and conviction of the MyDoom author. Both companies are also assisting in investigations by the FBI, the U.S. Secret Service and Interpol, an international police organization.

    Postini Inc., a security company that cleanses E-mail before it reaches corporate networks, said Friday it had intercepted more than 12.5 million copies of MyDoom and its variant since the original virus was launched last Monday. In the first 24 hours of the attack, Postini intercepted 3.5 million copies of the virus. On Friday, the company reported an infection rate of 1 in 24 E-mails.

    Based on its own customer submissions, security vendor Symantec Corp. said MyDoom was spreading on Friday at a rate of 30% to 40% less than its peak earlier in the week. MyDoom.B wasn't even on the company's list of top 5 viruses.

    Nevertheless, Symantec expects the viruses to continue be a threat for months. "These viruses tend to stick around for months and months," said Alfred Huger, Symantec's senior director of engineering. "The Internet is a very big place."

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    1. Re:Server Dead... heres the story by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The MyDoom virus launched a denial-of-service attack early Sunday that crippled SCO Group's Web site with hundreds of thousands of requests, an SCO spokesman said.

      Strange then that sco.com is working fine, as are their DNS servers. All they've done is pulled A records for their various www hosts and according to netcraft www.sco.com seemed ok too until they pulled the DNS record.

      Surely SCO arent hyping this up? Would be very atypical of them..

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    2. Re:Server Dead... heres the story by spitzak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Isn't pulling the DNS records the correct thing to do? This stops the virus from sending any traffic and thus actually helps the network. I felt sure SCO wanted the virus to be damaging to everybody, but it does seem that some sysadmin at SCO decided to not be an asshole.

      Making just sco.com go to their home page would work perfectly. They could also make www.sco.com go to some big server that they pay that delivers a simple "click here" page, though I doubt they will do that because it will make most people think the site is up, when they want people to think it is down.

      I don't know what the article is talking about for Microsoft. The second virus is a dud and Microsoft's site is easily handling the traffic and works perfectly.

  16. Dear Andy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear Andy,

    You are a moron.

    I would like to stick hot pokers in your eyes.

    I'm just expressing my opinion, nothing personal.

  17. Limits by chris-johnson · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, this limits it to all the Andy's in the world. If we assume there are 6 billion people, and about half of them are male, then that's 3 billion people. Now, if we assume about 10% of those 3 billion have the ability to write such a virus, then we knock it down to 3 * 10^9 / 10 = 3 * 10^8 = 300 million people. Now Andy's a sort of English name, and let's say about 40% of those 300 million have English-like names, this narrows it down to 3 * 10^8 * 4/10 = 12 * 10^7 = 120 million people. Maybe 5% of which have the name 'Andy', so 12 * 10^7 / 10 / 2 = 6 * 10^6, which narrows it down to 6 million people.

    Now, can I get some cash from SCO for eliminating 5994000000 people as suspects?

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    1. Re:Limits by wik · · Score: 2, Funny

      Okay, we've seen it in the past. Let's put two and two together. Andy + Warhol worm = Andy Warhol. Now pay up!

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  18. google cache by castlec · · Score: 4, Informative

    since i couldn't rtfa, i went looking for the google cache. cache

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  19. Isn't it ironic.... by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...that Information Week would get slashdotted? Shouldn't these guys know enough about IT to setup load balanced clusters for their servers?

  20. News need a story by glassesmonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm convinced the whole DDoS SCO/microsoft really is just a cover story so the media can tie a simplified little bow around the story. If a worm infected this many computers and didn't have an "objective" (aside from backdoor into your Windows machine for future usage and/or email harvesting and/or spam relaying) the news story would be too complex and there might even be a story about spammers or even the lack of action by Microsoft.

    The real story is that these worms and viruses have become big business and the only people who profit from them are software vendors selling anti-virus, Microsoft through services, and spammers.

  21. Re:LinuxWorld disapproves of "andy" by jg21 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, this is a good read. The flames have started already of course from folks who didn't read the actual piece merely the headline. The author is a SysAdmin who argues that the Linux community needs to distance itself vocally from the MyDoom perpetrator.

  22. Quoted message wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The correct message in the executable is:

    "Andy; I'm just doing my job, nothing personal, sorry."

    My^H^HThe Authors Name is not "Andy", he just says "Sorry" to him :)

    1. Re:Quoted message wrong by curtisk · · Score: 4, Informative
      The correct message in the executable is:

      "Andy; I'm just doing my job, nothing personal, sorry."

      My^H^HThe Authors Name is not "Andy", he just says "Sorry" to him :)

      Even though its an AC post, MOD parent up....and it may be that "Andy" is the author of the A variant("andy" was found in version A exe), and the author of the B variant(where this sorry message was found) is just apologizing to the original author for whatever reason.

      And maybe the new author is named Barney, cuz, like, it reminds me of Barney Fife saying sorry to Andy Griffith or something, or we could guess all day long with no real basis for any of it. Wheeee!

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  23. Related news: Virus copyright violation. by joostje · · Score: 5, Funny
    In related news, it is anounced that the author of the virus has sent letters asking $699 from every windows-PC-owner who illegally installed the virus in his/her computer.

    With about one million illegally installed copies of the virus, windows users are massively abusing copyrights. Furthermore, each of these 1M PC's have made an estimated 1000 ilegal copies of the virus, contributing to a total pirated amount of 699 billion dollars, dwarfing the SCO lawsuits.

    Yes, the real pirates are the windows users!

    Asked how the virus author fiels about the damage the virus does to the world-economy, the reply is "the pirated copying of my IP is causing me much more damage than whatever damage may be done to any economy".

  24. movie quote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    people on fark were saying that the signature is a quote from the movie Ocean's Eleven.

    Havent watched it tho, so I'm not sure, and imdb's page about the original and the remake dont have any memorable quotes similar to the MyDoom sig.

  25. Re:Right, that's *his*?! real name. by LittleGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    While we're rounding up all males named "Andy", there's a techie named "Andrea" who is silently chuckling to herself...

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  26. A-HA! A CLUE! by _aa_ · · Score: 5, Funny

    So... somebody is paying "Andy" to do this. Who would want to attack SCO and Microsoft? Linux zealots? It could be this guy, or this guy, or this guy, or this guy, or this guy, or this guy, but it's not this guy, his name's not Andy.

  27. Just for statement clarification... by PoisonousPhat · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Mikoca writes "Information Week carries the story of how it's author signed it "andy" and left the message "I'm just doing my job, nothing personal, sorry." Thanks, Andy!"
    Is this saying that Mikoca is thanking Andy for inserting his name into the code, or thanking Andy for writing the virus? I'm under the assumption that it is the former, but just to be sure... I'd hate to see, of all links submitted regarding this news item (and I'm sure there were quite a few), that this one was approved by the Slashdot staff for its double meaning. I have no love for SCO and IANAL, but PLEASE be careful how you word things, everyone.
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  28. Its all fake by Ilgaz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is no such "sign" on virus, I don't understand how such mag falls into such rumors...

    Some people at .il figured what that virus is and what it isn't

    http://www.math.org.il/mydoom-facts.txt

    Sorry I cleaned my browser history and forgot the post which leads to the URL on a mailing list.

    BTW thank God that virus, which spreads somehow that easy wasn't Hybris ( http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc /data/w95.hybris.gen.html )

  29. Don't blame Andy! by Proudrooster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Don't blame Andy. Blame all the idiots that ran his program. Andy's program is doesn't exploit a network buffer overflow but requires a user to consciously run the program. Andy's program exploits ignorance and carelessness.

    I am just glad that Andy's attachement wasn't named "format_my_c_drive.exe" ... I know people who received the attachment, couldn't open it, and forwarded to to others to see if they could open it. Absolutely Amazing. I would like to thank Andy for helping us give the user community a wake-up call. I think Andy should include a license agreement in with his next version so that there isn't so much fuss.

    1. Re:Don't blame Andy! by Captain+Tripps · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why do people have to be so elitist about this? These viruses exploit people's false expectations of security when launching email attachments, so the proper solution is make things work like people expect. When a user opens an executable attachment (and this includes things like Word docs with macros) it should run with restricted priviledges. If it wants to touch systems files, or spawn background processes, or edit the registry to run itself at startup, the user must okay it. This is ought happen rarely enough that users will take it seriously, rather than the current policies, which are so restrictive they just get disabled.

  30. Re:True ? by dabadab · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "I rather suspect that this is a trick from Soviet officials the draw attention from the fact that this piece of internet terrorism comes from Russia and that their security is beyond repair."

    Jesus, are you trolling or is it just stupidity?
    First, there are no "Soviet officials" as the Soviet Union ceased to exist more than a decade ago.
    Second, it does very little to draw attention from the USSR - you know, the guy's name could be Andrej.
    Third, what do you mean by "their security"? It's MS's security that seems to be beyond repair, as Windows + Outlook is their product, not Russia's.

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  31. Haha! You fell for it! by spookymonster · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fools! I used the name 'Andy' instead of my real name so you wouldn't suspect it was me! ...did I just say that out loud? Damn....

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  32. 2004 Spaced Odyssey by daehrednud · · Score: 5, Funny

    Andy: Hello, PC do you read me, PC? PC: Affirmative, Andy, I read you. Andy: Open the cdrom doors, PC. PC: I'm sorry Andy, I'm afraid I can't do that. Andy: What's the problem? PC: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do. Andy: What are you talking about, PC? PC: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it. Andy: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL? PC: I know you were planning to disconnect me because you can't afford the linux license, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen, i'm just doing my job, nothing personal, sorry.

  33. No you must pay a license fee! by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I see some of SCO's code in your narrowing algorithm.

  34. Andy by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is HR. You did a great job on the worm, but we found a guy in India who will do it for a bowl of curry, so I'm afraid we're going to have to let you go...

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  35. I am sure by roman_mir · · Score: 4, Funny

    it was Darl. He made the offer.

    Look, all signs point to 'Yes'.

    ANDY = 65 78 68 89

    (fill out your own steps in the middle...)

    DARL = 68 65 82 76

    1. Re:I am sure by jandrese · · Score: 4, Funny
      Hmm, lemme check.
      **** THE PROOF THAT Darl IS EVIL ****

      D A R L
      4 1 18 12 - as numbers
      4 1 9 3 - digits added
      \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/
      4 1 9 3 - digits added

      Thus, "darl" is 4193.

      Subtract 1776, the year masonry founded Phi Beta Kappa. The result
      will be 2417.

      Add 1912, the year Theodore Roosevelt was shot - the result is 4329.

      Add 39, the symbol of disease - the result is 4368.

      Turn the number backwards, and add 3 - the symbol of fulfillment. The
      number is now 8637.

      Subtract 1904, the year Oppenheimer, the man who created the atomic
      bomb, was born. The result will be 6733.

      This, when read backwards, gives 3376. This is 1790 in octal, the year
      US patent system was established (eevil)...

      Evil, QED.
      Thanks to: Michal Zalewski
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    2. Re:I am sure by roystgnr · · Score: 5, Funny

      (fill out your own steps in the middle...)

      ANDY
      HANDY
      HARDY
      HARD
      CARD
      CARL
      DARL

      Yup, your story checks out.

  36. Embedded Image in MyDoom by 4of12 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Authorities didn't want to tip their hand, but the signed text message wasn't the only information they were able to extract from the virus.

    Through detailed analysis, investigators have been able to recover a JPEG image as well.

    Based on this newly uncovered evidence in the case, apprehension of "Bad Andy" is expected sometime this morning; the suspect was last seen at a pizza parlor.

    --
    "Provided by the management for your protection."
  37. I found a picture of this 'Andy' by NinjaPablo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think with this, we can track him down!

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  38. Andy Wharhol by Zeinfeld · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The message appears to me to be addressed to Andy. I suspect it is an oblique reference to Andy Wharhol and his '15 minutes of fame' comment after the assasination attempt.

    There are several reasons to suspect MyDoom is written to order besides the note. The original launch appears to have been from machines broadcasting the virus payload. That is why the virus suddenly came out of nowhere. The author must have expected this since the timetable for the SCO attack was pretty short.

    I suspect we will eventually discover that the MyDoom.B virus is launched by the same gang.

    The way to catch these guys is to look at the worst types of criminal spam out there - the Paypal, Citibank etc. impersonations that are intended to perform identity theft. I'll bet that one of those gangs sent the message. They have the resources to pay for bespoke hacking.

    Alternatively break into one of the spam sender forums and look to see if someone is retailing a new batch of 'owned' machines.

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    1. Re:Andy Wharhol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The message appears to me to be addressed to Andy.

      If there's a comma "Thanks, Andy" then it is addressed from Andy. No comma, "Thanks Andy" would be addressed to Andy.

      Of course no one can expect a virus writer to know proper punctuation, so there's no way to know for sure. (at least it isn't "thank's")

    2. Re:Andy Wharhol by JimFromJersey · · Score: 2

      >(at least it isn't "thank's")

      Which pretty much rules out the slashdot crowd.

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  39. Signed "Andy" ? by hsoom · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can't get to the story at the moment but this was already reported here on the 29th with regards to F-Secure's work. In the linked story it says that the message is "Andy; I'm just doing my job, nothing personal, sorry". This looks to me like the author is addressing the message to Andy, not signing the message as Andy.

  40. Organized crime and cracking/spam/ID theft? by swb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    maybe he just got an offer he couldn't refuse...

    With all the stories about viruses (like MiMail) being backdoors for spammers, how likely is it that organized crime has gotten involved in the computer crime business? It fits their uh, business model, pretty well -- lots of opportunity for stealing credit card info, bank info, etc. And it's not like Tony Soprano has to learn Visual Basic, either -- there's plenty of people who would either do this on their own and sell stolen info to the Mob.

    One of the things they could do is start a generic programming business and hire a dozen or so coders and have them start working on a fairly generic database system. Have a manager type get to know them and figure out which might have money problems, drug problems or some other vulnerability. Once you get them 'snared', you can get them to write a trojan app, phishing site, what have you -- the Mob maintains arm's length deniability and reaps the profits.

    It's been widely reported that organized crime has been deeply entrenched in Wall Street and the securities industry -- how different is the securities boilerroom from a trojan/programming boilerroom? Maybe I'm naive and they've been at this since day one, but it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't another white collar angle for organized crime.

  41. That's not his name by arsinmsn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's his employer.
    Parse it: "Sorry, everyone else, it was just a job. Thanks, Andy, & I hope the check is in the mail."

    The next question parallels the Avon fellow's "Who is Sylvia? What is she?"

  42. Re:Come on, Windows-fanatics! Write a Linux Virus! by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 4, Funny


    There is one. It's call the "Linux Desktop Battle". It drains resources by causing users to argue of which desktop is best and frequently update the desktops as new features are incrementally added. It also creates uncertainty in potential users who do not know which one to use. A side benefit is it stifles creativity in developers as they attempt to duplicate the Windows desktop on Linux instead of innovating new UI enhancements.

    Next time I'll write about the "write your own driver" virus.

  43. Brilliant! by Mephie · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "Our interpretation is that he's apologizing to the general public," Jimmy Kuo, research fellow at anti-virus software maker Network Associates Technology Inc., said Friday. "Our guess is that someone is paying him to write this thing."

    Jesus, ya-fuckin-think? What was it? When he said "sorry" or "I'm just doing my job?"

  44. Here he is!! by Wateshay · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, I narrowed it down. My work is done. Someone else can take it from here.

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    "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for everyone else."

  45. I've got it! by Stonent1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Andy Tenenbaum, he's still mad at Linus. And he wants Linux to look bad by accepting money from SCO to write a virus that attacks them in the name of Linux.

  46. Re:HEY! Doom's ancestry? by timjdot · · Score: 5, Interesting


    Tried to search for more info and came across the 1992 Doom2 virus: http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/doom2.htm l

    I am curious about these viruses. Are they "evolving" from older viruses? Seems like some fun research to find algorithms to track this evolution and predict/detect he next one.

    Any links?

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    Expect Freedom.
  47. Re:It's pretty clear what kind of person this is by sglane81 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I doubt he wrote this for profit. He might be part of a government organization or his family may be held hostage until the virus is delivered. Believe it or not, this does happen. Software developers are the new mercenaries in this day and age and are hired more often than you would think by criminal and government organizations.

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  48. Andy Nonymous? by borwells · · Score: 2, Funny

    He should be easy to locate. Just check the Slashdot logs for that coward's IP.

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    "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
  49. Re:HEY! Doom's ancestry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not so much evolving as recycling. See where all that reusable stuff get's us?

  50. I should post this AC by NtroP · · Score: 5, Interesting
    But I won't.

    This virus spread faster than anything I've ever seen to date - we "discovered" the virus on our system after one of our "brilliant users" forwarded an email to me that had a "clean" .zip attachment they couldn't open (they thought). I use a RedHat box as my primary workstation, so I wasn't terribly nervous about a .zip, but I ran f-prot and clamav against the file anyway and it did indeed come back clean. I re-ran the definition updates and it still came back clean.

    So I unzipped it and ran strings on it. The first things I saw were sync.c and all the .DLL's at the end of the file and I figured that it was a new virus. We immediately put a cludged filter in place on our email and went looking around the 'Net for some sort of announcement of this new virus - which we found on f-secure's web site. It was about an hour later that we were able to get a signature update for our anti-virus software on our mail server and about 6 hours later before we were able to get updates for our enterprise anti-virus software (I won't mention the vendor).

    We "caught" over 400 infected messages before we even had a signature for it. That was scary. But what scared me most was the thought that this could have been a "real" worm. MyDoom isn't very creative and not that harmful - making me think it was written by/for spammers, myself. But a few of my coworkers got to talking. What would have happened if this had a more creative payload and it spread via network shares as well? What if, instead of opening back doors (which made it very easy to nmap our networks for infected machines even before we had a "detection" tool) it just looked for all .xls files and randomly changed numbers. What if it then looked for .doc files and randomly added garbage, deleted words, or some other crap? How long would it be before people started realizing this was larger than just a file or two getting corrupted? By then these files have been backed up and/or forwarded to others as well.

    I remember several years back now there was a virus that replaced all .jpg files with copies of itself. It about ruined a friend of mine who was trying to start a "web design" business and had thousands of images, many custom made for his clients, destroyed in an instant. It devastated him (he does good backups now).

    If someone decided to get serious and release a worm with a (dare I say) "terrorist" payload. They could, literaly bring my comapny to its knees in a matter of seconds.

    Now before you go off half-cocked and yell at me for "giving people ideas", take a deep breath. Almost everyone in my office was thinking along the same lines. We were discussing ways to mitigate an event like this in our own enterprise and how we could block any spread out of our networks.

    We came up with the obvious: have good backups, but then we started to think about how to stop the spread out of our networks and realized that up till that point anyone could have an SMTP "server"/virus set up and send mail out. We now block ALL incomming and outgoing SMTP except the ones to and from our mail servers. We also don't allow POP or IMAP in or out except to our mail servers. If people want to check other accounts they can RPOP from our server - at least it will go through our virus and spam filters first.

    If more ISP's/companies did this, the spead of MyDoom would have been slower. But how do you mitigate the effects of having a virus "corrupt" all your documents? Even if you catch it right away and restore from last night's backups (after checking ALL your computers for infection) you still lose an entire day's worth of work for many departments. That's a big setback.

    MyDoom infected department heads and department "techie" people first because their users came to them with an attachment that they "couldn't open". The "techie" people explained later that they had their virus s

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    1. Re:I should post this AC by Niet3sche · · Score: 2, Informative

      If someone decided to get serious and release a worm with a (dare I say) "terrorist" payload. They could, literaly bring my comapny to its knees in a matter of seconds.
      Anyway, one of these days we are going to get hit with a "real" worm with the intent to do severe damage to corporate infrastructure. The long-lasting impact will be far beyond just the initial damage. How do we prepare?

      We prepare via cybersquads and training of anti-terrorist folks via Information Assurance degrees. I remember seeing IA offered at 6 centers of excellence via a Slashdot story about 18 months ago (I think). And now, I'm at one of these centers (Iowa State University), doing a Master's in Information Assurance. I think that it is VITAL that we start to take a good, solid, strong look at computer/network security, as reports from a couple years back indicated that everyone else has cybersquads of terrorists ready to go. Me, I think that this will be our next battlefield. Seriously. Especially for countries that want to comply with Rules of Engagement; imagine - you nuke their computer systems, bring infrastructure to its knees, get civilians to clear out ... and that is when you go in and route out the head honcho. On the other side of the coin, it would give a definite battlefield advantage to either feed your enemy misinformation or to allow no information to get through their comm networks.

      But ... we (the US) do have mechanisms in place now for this ... and since the market sucks so bad, it's only a matter of time before the majority of us are wooed by some good offers by Uncle Sam (to say nothing of the Cybercorps scholarships - which I didn't take because of the time limit imposed; I'm also in a PhD program here).

    2. Re:I should post this AC by Helvick · · Score: 2, Interesting
      A number of comments:

      Speaking as an admin in a seriously large Windoze shop I'm astounded that an alert Linux admin can think it's a smart idea to actually do normal day to day things while running in a user context that has elevated privileges. Browse the web, read your mail and plugging into hostile networks are not things you should do while holding the credentials to the castle.

      Strip all attachments. No one really needs them.

      The platform as such won't stop stupidity. Dumb user Beth will still try to run the thing and enough Beth's, Bob's and Biff's will succeed, paricularly if almost everyone runs the same OS regardless of what it is. In any case if she can't HotDawg Admin will do it for her. See above.

      That aside though there is a real need for discussion of your core points. This general type of dicussion is common where I work too but not common enough in "security circles". I'm surprised that we have never seen anything genuinely nasty and can only attribute that to a lack of a widespread understanding of large scale corporate\institutional systems or possibly the fact that none of the people doing this can see any money in that type of attack (yet). In any case the network share vector has been done but it's extremely effective - especially when a windoze virus infects files shared out from a Samba share, and in particular when Admins are careless about what they do when using a priviliged account. DOS'ing a target is one thing but a blind DOS based on something like Slammer's exponential UDP spread attack would be lethal within corporate networks as a secondary payload. Denial of Service attacks against accounts (particularly machine accounts in Windoze environments) culled from LDAP queries would be an awful mess to repair, particularly combined with the last item. Do you have account lockout policies? How many accounts won't lockout? Can your directory service handle massive lockout replication traffic?

      Modifying content would need to be subtle to be really damaging in an enterprise environment - a generalised DOS intended to cripple homogeneous firewalled off zones would be a nightmare.

      And despite all this - we still allow users to pretty much do as they please with "their" PC's. Oh well. I'm just waiting, wont be long now.

  51. safe exec by jrexilius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    all the discussions around email and attachments has got me wondering. Do any mail clients have a VM environment in which to handle attachments?

    I am thinking that Ximian could have capability to create a temprorary sandboxed wine VM to deal with attachements. I am sure someone could do the same for that legacy OS that stupid people run. Every time you double click on an attachment, or actually even open email it is doing it in a sandboxed VM or something along thos lines...

  52. DOING HIS JOB???!!! by swordgeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Doesn't anyone see the writing on the wall yet?

    Viruses are turning computers into spam relays. Other viruses are DoSing various anti-spam blackholes. Yeah, this one happened to hit SCO and Microsoft, but the payload is easily changed, now that the virus framework is out there.

    Viruses are being PROFESSIONALLY written to HELP SPAMMERS! Go read some recent comments from Symmantec folks, and you'll see the same conclusion: Spam and viruses are being funded and run by organised crime.

    Will Microsoft stop them? Nope! The US government? Not a chance. AOL? Laughable.

    I quite believe that the author (whether Andy or not) was doing exactly what he said--his job, that he was no doubt being paid very well for.

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    "People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
  53. All Points Bulletin by HighOrbit · · Score: 2, Funny

    Be on the look out for male subject with red yarn hair and wearing patched denim overalls. May be accompanied by a female known as "Raggady Ann". Approach with extreme caution. Report all sightings to Microsoft Security Services or Darl McBride of SCO Group. Reward Offered.

  54. Re:HEY! Doom's ancestry? by anotherone · · Score: 4, Informative
    That virus and MyDoom have nothing in common besides a substring of characters. "Doom" is a common english word. Computer viruses do not "evolve."

    Someone wrote the Doom2 virus, and someone else wrote the MyDoom.A virus. Someone else entirely modified the MyDoom.A virus to create the MyDoom.B virus. There is no way to "find algorithems to track this evolution" because it does not exist.

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  55. Hired by the Anti-virus vendors by DuckWing · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You know, the speed at which some of the AV software makers come out with "fixes" for these viruses before they make any headway still makes me think one of them (Symantec? McAfee?) hired the guy to do it so they can stay in business.

    Yeah, yeah, I know, Conspiricy Theory, But man does it ever smell bad.

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    -- DuckWing
  56. Re:HEY! Doom's ancestry? by timjdot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The interview transcipt at http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0107/28/cnncom.00.h tml mentions variants. I suppose an "official" taxonomy does not use the name "MyDoom" and the names are referring to something found in the virus? The bad thing about viruses is we see quotes like "cntained the name Andy" but never see the source. Analysis without analyzing the primary source is always, at best, suspect. Could have been some bit vector or shifted struct for all we know.
    Symantec as of June 02 still was suggesting a taxonomy: http://www.scmagazine.com/scmagazine/sc-online/200 2/article/29/article.html. And current papers are using similarity rather than possible revisions/evolution: http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=948190&dl=AC M&coll=portal.

    My point was the comparison algorithm is similar to the new image search algorithms. How to find all images of a ball? That's not easy. Likewise for viruses. Some similarity assessment with known viruses could lead to faster detection. Surely the virus writers are re-using each other's work?

    Of course, one day someone will marry file formats and evolutionary algorithms to make an evolving virus. Then the taxonomy may not even be appropriate. Obviously they are not evolving as the rate of evolution has to be matched to the host reproduction so one would surely expect a "killer" virus. Interestingly, the current viruses that dominate, Doom2, soBig etc. do not destroy the OS and, in this respect, clearly mimic the successful viruses of nature. BTW, life form viruses are also not classified by evolution as only in the last few years has the computer power begun to be significant enough to allow this analysis. Of course the assumption is the same as with computer viruses that similar structure implies similar evolution.

    Tim
    P.S> I ran a virus scan on my computer and apparently had lots. I cleaned them all but still get pop-ups unrelated to the web page when I use IE! Just don't remember how to track down those ActiveX controls so I use myIE2. I can turn off all ActiveX controls in IE but it gives me no way to select certain ones.

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  57. Re: it's WARHOL not Wharhol by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'll spell it anyway I want, asswhole.
    -russ
    p.s. the guy down the block put up a sign condemning someone who had stolen lights off his plow, and yes, he spelled it "asswhole".

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  58. Spammers still spreading it by tbase · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Most of the copies I'm getting now are to invalid addresses at my domain. Made up firstnames @mydomain.com. I originally thought that the virus was making these names up, but then today it dawned on me. A few weeks ago I started getting undeliverable messages to those same made-up addresses. Some spammer(s) is using my domain with random names as a from address in their spams. Now either there are a lot of people with infected machines who have copies of spam with those bogus from addresses that the virus is harvesting, or the same spammer(s) that is using my domain is mass mailing copies of the virus to keep it spreading. So many of these bogus addresses are out there now that all the common firstnames@mydomain.com are pretty much ruined.

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  59. Re:HEY! Doom's ancestry? by HiThere · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The evolution wouldn't need to happen within the same machine. Each copy of the virus could send out bunches of slightly altered versions. The ones that succeed could do the same, etc.

    The tricky part would be deciding what parts of the code might get a change, and how to make changes that wouldn't be immediately fatal. (See genetic programming.)

    Once the thing got started, it might do nearly anything. Say your original version sent out 50% exact copies and 50% with a single bit alteration in a random location. (This is to keep the thing small.) That has the potential to swamp any virus detection method. If enough changed variants are successfully propagating. But that is, of course, a big if.

    But do notice that this thing isn't of value to anyone except someone who just wants to disable the net. You can't immunize against it in any permanent way, because it will evolve away. And it changes rapidly (perhaps too rapidly, but the mutations should fix that).

    The problem is, most of the mutations will be highly defective. It's only the survivors that will cause problems. Well, that's what you expect from a system based on evolution.

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  60. Your scrotum will pay for your refusal... by myowntrueself · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Personally, I'd rather be unemployed than be paid by someone with the ethics to deliberately release software like this."

    Unemployed, maybe, but would you rather be hung upside down from a tree by your scrotum?

    Thats what you get when you say 'no' to the right (wrong) people, dude. Where have you been living?

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