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FCC Supports Neighborhood Radio

RevMike writes "According to this story from the Associated Press, the FCC is recommending to Congress that restrictions on low-power FM stations be relaxed. The FCC found that low-power FM stations can be operated in the gaps of spectrum between major stations without substantially interfering with those major stations. If Congress adopts the FCC's recommendations, it will loosen the stranglehold that companies like ClearChannel have on the airwaves."

246 comments

  1. individuality? screw that! by __aaitqo8496 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    i don't if they're going to want to do that. that might lead to increased free speech, creative ideas, and non-biased information

    1. Re:individuality? screw that! by MoonBuggy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just look out for RIAA vans driving round with full spectrum scanners and a few thugs in the back to 'persuade' people that their radio station is breaking copyright.

    2. Re:individuality? screw that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They need to start teaching people to think critically. Individuality? Doesn't work if everyone's being as irrational and close minded as middle schoolers.

      But hey, you just go on thinking thats the answer to all lifes problems.

    3. Re:individuality? screw that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But don't they still pay for their music? I thought that part of owning a copyright was "right to perform work in public".

      This might help small, local bands, though.

    4. Re:individuality? screw that! by unother · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Erm, no.

      Ever go to a record store and buy a CD with a hole punched in the UPC code? Or, find one with "For promotional purposed yadda-yadda" embossed in gold on the cover?

      Those were promos for airplay, being sold illegally. Stations get their music for free--they don't buy it; that would make no sense.

    5. Re:individuality? screw that! by RadioTV · · Score: 4, Informative

      Broadcasting of copyrighted material is allowed as a fair-use

      That's not true. Radio and TV stations have to pay royalties to play music. There are several licensing groups but the biggest are ASCAP and BMI.

      Anywhere that there is a public performance of copyright music you must pay royalties to the licensing bodies for the songs that you use. This includes background music in stores, music in bars and clubs, elevators, etc.

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    6. Re:individuality? screw that! by Old+Uncle+Bill · · Score: 1

      That is what I thought as well, but how do college radio stations operate? Do they get a break on pricing, etc?

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    7. Re:individuality? screw that! by aelfwyne · · Score: 1

      This is primarily the reason so many college radio stations play true "alternative", oldies, classical, or generally unheard of bands. The royalties are cheaper. Often they're covered by various grants, funds and such.

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    8. Re:individuality? screw that! by Your_Mom · · Score: 2, Informative

      Erm, no.

      The radio stations get media for free. You have to maintain a list of what you play and submit it to either ASCAP or BMI.

      Never worked at a radio station, eh?

      But you are right, you can't resell those CDs legally. (Not thats a major deterrent)

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    9. Re:individuality? screw that! by unother · · Score: 1

      Okay, well, my background is college radio, so had presumed that non-commercial entities are exempted.

      However, it appears BMI/ASCAP pays in lieu...

      Oh well, that shatters my pre-conceptions. :(

    10. Re:individuality? screw that! by FLEB · · Score: 1

      How does that apply to the "Everything you get in the mail without asking for it is yours" idea, though. If I'm a record-store owner, and I get a bunch of "no-sale" promo CDs that I didn't ask for, aren't they just covered under normal copyright law? I mean, they can print anything they want on there... it doesn't make it legal.

      (regarding the USA)

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    11. Re:individuality? screw that! by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      You have obviously never worked in a radio station.

    12. Re:individuality? screw that! by blueworld · · Score: 1

      Owning a copy of a CD gives you the right to listen to it. You do not necessarily have the right to broadcast a copyrighted work without paying extra.

    13. Re:individuality? screw that! by unother · · Score: 1

      Erm, yes I did... ...if you look at my later post, you'll realize I was ignorant of the royalty issue, as it now appears royalties are paid out, by an umbrella organization, based on a sample survey.

      NOW I understand the point of CMJ!!! Guess I should've been that fascist MD, choosing my own pet bands for the lists, instead of scrupulously observing the DJs' own playlists. :)

    14. Re:individuality? screw that! by vistas · · Score: 2

      No, it probably won't. The reason the current FCC supports it is because the majority of low-power licensees currently are churches, and there is little doubt that that trend will continue.

    15. Re:individuality? screw that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is what I thought as well, but how do college radio stations operate? Do they get a break on pricing, etc?

      Nope. They pay out the ass.

    16. Re:individuality? screw that! by TrajanAugustus · · Score: 1

      Non-Biased? Do you actually think that exists or has ever existed? No information ever passed from one human to another has been free from bias. And that my friend is my unbiased opinion.

    17. Re:individuality? screw that! by FLEB · · Score: 1

      Right... that's true. What about the right to resell, give, lend, etc. though.

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    18. Re:individuality? screw that! by jpmrst · · Score: 2, Informative

      [B]ut how do college radio stations operate? Do they get a break on pricing, etc?

      Yes. Noncommercial stations (not just college) have a cheaper rate scheme.

      There's another comment here suggesting that the royalties are why college radio plays more indie music. That's not true - it's a blanket rate.

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    19. Re:individuality? screw that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that might lead to increased free speech, creative ideas, and non-biased information

      Alas, the reality rarely lives up to the hype. The problem
      is that many of those that want most to broadcast (be it
      pirate radio, LPFM, cable access, or shortwave) are the
      ones with the furthest-from-center agendas.

      What I mean is that while it certainly opens up the
      doors for free speech, most of that speech ends up being
      of the strongly biased kind.

      At the pirate radio station I
      work with, our only talk show is Earth First!, which is
      quite biased. We tried having a weekly news show,
      but the only people willing to host it were the Earth First! people,
      who refused to read anything they didn't get from their
      own (biased) sources.

    20. Re:individuality? screw that! by stephanruby · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Just look out for RIAA vans driving round with full spectrum scanners and a few thugs in the back to 'persuade' people that their radio station is breaking copyright.

      Actually, that too "might lead to increased free speech, creative ideas, and non-biased information." More original locally created content, that's we need. We don't need more Britney Spears and more O'Reilly on the air.

    21. Re:individuality? screw that! by lunachik · · Score: 1
      This is primarily the reason so many college radio stations play true "alternative", oldies, classical, or generally unheard of bands. The royalties are cheaper.
      I don't think you could be more incorrect. They play that music because it is generally better music. At my former college radio station we had a group review process during which we considered every single CD sent to us (including those with roylaties) for potential airplay based on merit of the music. A few major label discs made it through--a very few. We didn't "cool-pile" the rest because we didn't want to take air time away from truly interesting music and give it to truly banal music.
  2. About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Awesome! About time. i've been running a great community station for several years without any interference!

    1. Re:About time by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My only fear is that some idiot doesn't do his homework and step over an existing radio station's frequency. Gifts like this from the FCC are few and far between - it would be nice if independent radio was allowed to flourish without some meathead screwing it up for everyone. Ah my faith in human nature...

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    2. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      My only fear is that some idiot doesn't do his homework and step over an existing radio station's frequency.

      If the idiot does that, he'll get a nice FCC fine. Hopefully they'll only hand out these low power licenses to those who can pass a test showing themselves to be technically competent.

      My fear is that the RIAA and/or clearchannel will pay some number of idiots under the table to purposefully step over an existing radio station's frequency, "screwing it up for everyone" and allowing clearchannel to go back to congress and argue the low power license program be dropped.

    3. Re:About time by Bi()hazard · · Score: 5, Informative

      Considering this is slashdot, I'm sure few of you bothered to read the article, let alone go to the FCC's web site and download the pdf version of "Report to the congress on the Low Power FM Interference Testing Program". Well, I did, so here's my chance to flaunt it..er I mean inform the community of the valuable information it contains. (this'll be a long post, so most of you will just want to read the first few paragraphs and follow the link. All the trolls out there should spend the time to read it all to the end :P)

      If you want some information on exactly how the repeal of the restrictions would affect radio, try this page, linked to REC Networks, one of the public commentators on the FCC report.

      The document's foundation is the Mitre report-an analysis including field tests and experimental programs conducted by the Mitre Corporation at the behest of the FCC starting in 2001. The Mitre report made several recommendations regarding LPFM (low power FM) stations and third-adjacent channel FM stations. Reduction or elimination of minimum distance separation requirements was possible without increasing interference, use of a more stringent emissions mask would limit interference because most LPFM transmitters have poor emission suppression, interference from LPFM to digital receivers is unlikely to occur beyond 130 meters from the transmitter, and the report found that the above results are so reliable listener tests and economic analysis scheduled for the second phase of the LPFM field tests were unnecessary.

      Public comments on the Mitre report included 18 supporters for elimination or modification of the existing minimum didstance separation requirements, and 3 in support of the status quo.

      The FCC document is essentially the FCC's opinion on the Mitre report, with the recommendations it has chosen to pass along to Congress. Page 4 of the pdf begins a list of the FCC's recommendations.

      They go farther than the slashdot summary suggests, and state that existing third-adjacent minimum distance separation requirements between LPFM and full-service stations should be eliminated entirely. This is based on the Mitre report's finding that even in the worst case scenario no real interference would exist beyond 1.1 kilometers from the LPFM transmitter site. The FCC asks congress to modify the relevant statute to eliminate the restrictions in question.

      The FCC also asks Congress to "re-evaluate the necessity of completing Phase II testing." Phase II was the economic analysis the Mitre report chose to skip over, and the FCC agrees that the conclusion they'd reach through Phase II are so obvious there's no point in doing the work. In other words, the FCC's recommendation to eliminate the restrictions is all pro and no con, and any fool can plainly see it. Except, of course, a fool whose only goal is to squash small radio stations before they start accumulating listeners.

      That's all there is in the recommendations section, and the entire report to Congress contains only six pages. Six! That's nearly unheard of in the world of governmental bureaucracy, and it sends a clear signal that this FCC report is essentially a memo saying "Yo, Congress, this law is dumb so kill it." End of story, no politicking, no favors or special interests or obfuscation, simply the FCC doing it's job the way it's supposed to. Not something you see every day!

      So what's going to happen? Congress will see this, start a hearing, and there's two possibilities: One, big radio doesn't do anything, and the restrictions are eliminated in a one sided vote with little fanfare or contention. Or, Clear Channel decides to abuse the little guy, and starts lobbying in favor of the restrictions. We'll see loads of bs and political favors, and all the crap people complain about in Congress. It will be interesting to watch the results as a barometer of just how gridlocked Congress has become due to special interests.

      By the way, the last pag

    4. Re:About time by fafaforza · · Score: 0

      Man this looks like a lot of text... wait, did I see a reference to hot girls? No... that said hot grits... You expect us to read all of this?

    5. Re:About time by ColaMan · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Man this looks like a lot of text... wait, did I see a reference to hot girls? No... that said hot grits... You expect us to read all of this?

      Typical slashdot user with all the attention span of a.... hey look , a poodle!

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    6. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ok

      la la

      HOT GRITS

      Now then, surely I've passed the limit for what shows up before the Read the rest of this comment... link long ago. Most of you will have stopped reading this, and hopefully most moderators won't get this far before sending it up to +5. But, you're reading this! yay. So now let's get on with the real purpose of this post.

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      For starters, this is what this guy didn't think would show up. I see up to 64 kilobytes of post, so I saw it.

      Also, a 403 error could mean /. servers were screwed up.

      BTW, this is a public service announcement - I'm posting AC, not as myself.

    7. Re:About time by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At which point someone should pay some number of ClearChannel idiots under the table to purposefully step over an existing low-power station's frequency, "screwing it up for everyone" and allowing low-power stations to go to Congress and argue that the high-power license program be dropped.

      My own feeling is that low-power radio will probably be popular: maybe getting us back to the days when individual stations chose their own playlists. Go back to the sixties and seventies, before the RIAA/ClearChannel takeover of music distribution. The DJs and station managers decided what went on the air, and we got to hear a lot of good music that otherwise would have been shitcanned by out-of-touch music company executives. The real danger is that ClearChannel will pull the same tactics it pulled on regular broadcasters, and simply buy them up and add them to their network. I don't see what would prevent that from happening, but then again IANAL and haven't read the FCC's proposal.

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    8. Re:About time by stephanruby · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It's not much of a gift. According to the article, you still have to get a license if you want to start one. I assume the license will still have a significant fee attached to it and the location, the frequency, and the amount of power will be regulated and have to be approved by the FCC.

      If an idiot wants to start his own without a license, then it will be the same as always -- it will be considered a pirate radio station and the operator/owner will face a stiff fine and possible jail terms.

    9. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, you lost me as soon as you pointed out that it was a report done by Mitre. I've had the joy of working with this company (NJ and DC offices), and they need the cluestick. Their engineers are ok, but managers on up are worthless.

    10. Re:About time by dosboss · · Score: 1

      hi i'm typing junk in here. la la, fcc and stuff.

      Why did you ruin a perfectly good read? Damn, now I'll have to disregard the entire post.

      boo. got milk?

      Why, no, I don't. You just made me want some, and the fridge is too far from my Slashdot reading!

      Seriously, though, it was an excellent overview of one of our Governemnt's millions of minor functions that happen every day.

      And I await my intoxication.

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    11. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow, you guys are good, nothing gets by.

      milk is good...i finished mine off yesterday though...

      public service announcement: in case anyone out there is wondering, the first part of the post is all serious and true, the middle part (except for the obvious lines quoted) is true but mixes my stuff with copy and pastes from the FCC pdf, and the only real trolling is the ending.

    12. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ahh, i've been outed!

      The IP, and those of several friends involved in the same incident, kept getting 403 until they were all changed (over the course of a few months). Every other IP I tried during that time worked. The "incident" could easily have been mistaken for a script attack, although it was really just a group of bored people, so I have to admit we were asking for trouble. We learned our lesson and haven't done anything that bad since then though :P

    13. Re:About time by Xeed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Honestly, I don't think it would be to either persons benefit to brodcast on the same frequency. This is because 1) The lone-dj would have much lower power equiptment and a very angry fanbase being that their listeners would be from the radio station being broadcast over.

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  3. yeah, and it will increase the level of by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 1, Insightful

    complaints they get because people are not following the law.

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    1. Re:yeah, and it will increase the level of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If people don't want to hear what they have to say, they should be asked to just stop listening. There a lot of people that complain about material they should have no right to complain, especially when it is voluntary. On the other hand, if lies are being told, slap them with the law. We must all be careful though. Stations like this won't be making a lot of money like most of the current ones you find, so any fines should be fair. Imagine how easy if would be to shut down one of these small stations with a nice big fine. I'm sure Clearchannel would be a supporter of heavier fines for slander and such.

    2. Re:yeah, and it will increase the level of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I think that fines should be to punish, and maybe a 2 strike rule before revoking licenses.

  4. Finally! by NickABusey · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can broadcast my remixes of Britney Spears for everyone in my neighborhood to enjoy!

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    1. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You can broadcast... But I don't think anyone will enjoy.

      How much babysitting money is being passed around these days such that BS is able to be popular?

    2. Re:Finally! by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      (old joke)I wonder what she did with the money her mom gave her for singing lessons(/old joke)

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  5. here here by ahuimanu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let us not forget how powerful and important college radio can be. College radio certainly falls under this category and has been here for awhile. I was a program director at a college radio station in Hawaii in my college days (KTUH) and, in balance, I believe we offered more to the community than any other station (Public Radio excepted).

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    1. Re:here here by __aaitqo8496 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      funny, at my university, there is no student voice on the college radio. not even that is a reserved source of speech anymore. i don't doubt that is the case at many other universities as well

    2. Re:here here by ahuimanu · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I am talking about the late 1980s. I do think our culture is far more stiffled by commerce and capitalism than even then. Our was a quasi-hippie/radical/anarchist/liberal/cerebral/in tellectual/rock-n-roll experience. However, we let ALL KINDS on, so we had a conservative or two on and it was FUN!

      Sorry to hear that people who go to college now have non-representative college radio. Ours was run by for and of the students. Oh yeah, did I mention we were only 100 watts? What was interesting (and the subject of debate with the FCC over the years) was that we were allowed FAR MORE POWERFUL booster repeater stations to get our signal to elsewhere on the island and, on a good day, to other islands)

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    3. Re:here here by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are two types of college radio stations:

      A: The NPR outlet owned by the school, and therefore expresses the views of the administration or nearly no views at all.

      B: The freeform station that is a legally distinct entity from the school, which gets its funding either on its own or from the student government.

      The reason there's such a thick line between these two kinds of things is liability. If the school has any ownership in the radio station, they must tightly control it because they're on the hook for any FCC fines or slander lawsuits. Because most colleges have endowments, they're the ultimate deep pockets.

      If it's a distinct entity, then the school has no control over it, and if they get into trouble, then they can go bankrupt without any risk to the school.

    4. Re:here here by iminplaya · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would be willing to place many college radio stations above public radio. During the Clinton impeachment hearings all we were getting from publuc radio was...the Clinton impeachment hearings, like there was nothing else happening in the u.s. much less the world. DMCA was being debated around the same time(I think). I heard hardly anything about that. Clipper chip? Bah. Nothing. Other corporate give aways? Zilch. Monsanto? Don't make me laugh.

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    5. Re:here here by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Funny

      Our was a quasi-hippie/radical/anarchist/liberal/cerebral/in tellectual/rock-n-roll experience

      It was a GNU rock-n-roll station then?

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    6. Re:here here by MBCook · · Score: 2, Insightful
      That's the way it is at the university near me. There is one station that plays NPR content in the mornings, evenings and weekeds; and they play classical music the rest of the time (which is nice because they are the only FM station to do so). The other station is weaker, but it's the "true" college station. It's the one that's run by students with popular music (I believe it plays indie/local/unknown mostly) and such. Personally I kind of like having the two. There are many who like the second station (not my cup of tea, but it's cool that it's there), but I really like the first. If there weren't two, someone would be unhappy.

      Still, this is a good decision. I would be cool to get some new stations. I would be so cool to be able to tune in Folk, a local/indie station, a station that plays stuff from the 40s or 50s, etc. Right now it's Country, Oldies, Rock, Pop, Rap, etc. All ClearChannel type stuff. I would be nice to hear something new.

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    7. Re:here here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A: The NPR outlet owned by the school, and therefore expresses the views of the administration or nearly no views at all.

      NPR expressing nearly no views at all? Puh-leeze! What a leftist broadcast facility!

    8. Re:here here by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      NPR talk shows tend to lean left, but NPR's jazz and classical music offerings tend to stay out of politics. School stations tend to take the music offerings and leave the news stuff to the same non-profits who run the local PBS station.

    9. Re:here here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was a little depressed when I heard an interview with one around here. On the surface it seemed to have the same ideas that yours did, but the people in it didn't seem to really have much of a backbone. They started off bragging about how much they 'pushed the boundries', but also gushed about what a strong direct link they had to the faculty in order to know what was and was not allowed or proper to put on the air.

    10. Re:here here by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      NPR talk shows tend to lean left...

      But NPR money falls over to the right.

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    11. Re:here here by timeOday · · Score: 1

      I guess our station is a mix. They play NPR stuff twice a day, but the rest of the time it's shows like "native american news" and "democracy now" (and believe me, Monsanto and "democracy now" go together like Microsoft and Stallman).

    12. Re:here here by buford_tannen · · Score: 1

      Monsanto has always been a big corporate sponsor of NPR. There are plenty of other corporations that benefitted from the DMCA as well as other wonderful things.

      NPR is the best source of corporatocracy-friendly liberalism anywhere.

      Allowing individuals to operate low power stations could to a lot to end the radio suckage that is ClearChannel and NPR et al.

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    13. Re:here here by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't remember, but I think "democracy now" was preempted during the hearings.

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    14. Re:here here by ElleyKitten · · Score: 1

      There's a college radio station near where I live. It plays better music than the rest of the stations, but unfortunetly, whenever anyone talks on it it's almost entirely from scripted cards, and its usually some mini-program called "Science and YOU!" Oh well, I've never listened to radio to hear people talk anyways.

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    15. Re:here here by SnatMandu · · Score: 1

      http://www.kgnu.org

    16. Re:here here by jhealy1024 · · Score: 1

      KTUH had some good programming back in the day, but there was also Radio Free Hawaii, where the playlist was determined through ballot voting (ballots were available all over the state).

      It's too bad they weren't popular enough to keep sponsorship... the concept was great and the shows were a welcome departure from the top-40 crap on the other stations at the time.

      RFH shut down just before the web really got kicking. If they had stuck it out a little longer, I'm sure tons of people would have gotten on board to vote online.

      More info about the station and how it works is available in this local news article.

      I can only hope somebody else gives this concept another try; the station was a lot of fun to listen to. Also, I miss Sheriff Norm...

    17. Re:here here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      NPR's news programs are pretty middle-of-the-road by world standards, although their commentators and editorials can are certainly a bit to the left in the US, is what I think you meant.

    18. Re:here here by Jardine · · Score: 1

      There are two college radio stations in the nearest city to me. One is controlled by the students and plays all kinds of weird stuff 24/7. They recently changed frequencies and went from 3000 to 6000 watts. Pretty nice for a college station. The other station seems to play whatever music is popular at local clubs along with students reading news reports hourly. They vary from this sometimes (Sunday evenings is classical music) but generally it's just constant pop music.

    19. Re:here here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I spent a lotta time hanging around the KTUH broadcast station. I learned a few things about broadcasting while doing it too!

      Between KTUH and the now defunct Radio Free Hawaii (votes were tallied every week and dictated airplay, we also had a top 36 countdown.) Hawaii had some great listening going on.

    20. Re:here here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oops, KTUH link http://ktuh.hwaii.edu

  6. not without a fight by stonebeat.org · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ClearChannel will not let go without a fight.
    ClearChannel is ranked among the top 5 radio conglomerates in the world.
    Allowing neighbourhood radio station, will detoriate the quality on frequencies that ClearChannel has control over. This will be big problem in areas like Mojave Desert etc.

    1. Re:not without a fight by rossz · · Score: 4, Funny
      Allowing neighbourhood radio station, will detoriate the quality on frequencies that ClearChannel has control over.


      Naw, ClearChannel did that all on their own.
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    2. Re:not without a fight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      neighborhood radio will decrease the quality of the signal of Clear Channel owned stations?

      I don't quite follow.

    3. Re:not without a fight by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Allowing neighbourhood radio station, will detoriate the quality on frequencies that ClearChannel has control over.

      CC WILL fight it. They will use such quack claims that you repeated despite the fact that they hold no water.

      If there were a "frequency fight", 5W radio stations are simply overpowered by 50,000W transmitters.

      It is in the best interests of the small guys to have frequencies that don't conflict with existing users, and I think the FCC would set those frequencies for said reasons.

    4. Re:not without a fight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Silly tinfoilhead..

      Clear Channel owns 1,200 radio stations.

      There are 42,000 radio stations in the country.

      Look at the ratings of the top 25 markets.. Clear Channel is 1 of 8-9 players in each of these markets.. they don't even have the #1,#2 stations in most...

      silly tinfoilhead..

    5. Re:not without a fight by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      I think Infinity has the rest :-)

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    6. Re:not without a fight by Nakito · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ClearChannel will not let go without a fight.

      That is correct. The only thing that has happened so far is a recommendation to Congress. So think it through. If this recommendation even begins to move forward at all, what will be the result? First there will be lobbying of the members of Congress. On one side, there will be a well-funded campaign of professional lobbyists with inside connections, paid for by an industry that has an enormous stake in maintaining the status quo. On the other side will be . . . essentially nothing. There is no substantial advocacy group, no substantial funding, no substantial organization on the other side. Are you going to pull out your checkbook to support this recommendation? Are you going to contact your congressional representatives? Of course not. This is not going to happen, ever.

    7. Re:not without a fight by ShadowBlasko · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Ummm, while the numbers may be correct, its market saturation that you need to look at.

      a) Clear Channel alone controls 60% of Rock radio.

      b) Clear Channel owns stations in 247 of the 250 major radio markets.

      Check out this article for more information on Clear Channel's operations.

      And thats not to mention the number of venues Clear Channel now controls.

      (This message brought to you by a former employee of Clear Channel Chief Randy Michaels, from when he was just a station manager.)

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    8. Re:not without a fight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm thinking of starting a terrorist organization that instead of targetting civilians or the government, would target Clear Channel. Like we could disrupt their transmitters and threaten or maybe kidnap their executives.

    9. Re:not without a fight by FLEB · · Score: 1

      The sad fact is that a group that did nothing more than going around sawing down radio towers or even just disrupting transmissions would probably be labeled "terrorist".

      And most people would buy it.

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    10. Re:not without a fight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Randy Michaels doesn't work for Clear Channel??? (http://www.clearchannel.com/rad_index.php)

      Where is the 60% stat? That is interesting but I can't google a source....

    11. Re:not without a fight by The+FooMiester · · Score: 1

      I've lived in areas where the only stations you can raise are CC. There's the oldies station, the classic rock station, the new rock station . . .

      All with the same crappy news and no local happenings. No more noontime show with the station manager where he interviews various political minds of the area. No more small business promotions.

      Who's silly now?

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    12. Re:not without a fight by normalpeoplescareme · · Score: 1

      Why not use the 5.8GhZ band and make the signal digital instead of analog? Or else some other higher band. There'd never be a problem with media giants getting angry over the kid down the road with the FM transmitter if you didn't use the FM band for this stuff. You'd need the right gear to listen in, but hey, "There's nothing wrong with that." says corporate America.

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  7. So the economics are clear by ShaperofChaos · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It seems like the reason you shouldn't be allowed to broadcast is clear, you'll cut into profits.

    Big corporations don't want you to transimit over their signal as they'll loose audience and hence, revenue. But that hasn't stopped most people before.

    The interesting thing will be when the RIAA starts suing people for broadcasting their music.

    1. Re:So the economics are clear by fufighter · · Score: 1

      I believe if you own the music and broadcast it on a station without paid advertisements and remain non-profit, the RIAA can't do squat about it. Hence the success of some non-profit internet radio stations.

    2. Re:So the economics are clear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "they'll loose audience"

      Man, I'd really hate for them to loose their audience on me.

      Lose vs. loose: confusing Slashdotters since time began.

    3. Re:So the economics are clear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you own the rights to the music, you can do whatever you want with it, including broadcasting it for profit. Doing this on a low power FM station as a hobbyist (commonly referred to as 'pirate' radio), should be legal, as it's your music and you can do what you want with it.

      If you just own a legal copy of someone else's music, then the RIAA would probably look at it the same as they have Internet radio. I'm sure that's one facet of the fact that the RIAA despises pirate radio, at any rate.

      Although it still leads back to their ulterior motive, which we all know by now anyway.

      If I had the money, I'd broadcast C64 music at low power (with permission of course). Nothing the RIAA can do about that, since they don't own the music.

      Or do they honestly think they should be able to make money from ALL radio broadcasts? It does tie in quite nice with their ulterior motive, after all.

    4. Re:So the economics are clear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Since I work in the industry in question, for Clear Channel, of course.... I'll go ahead & clear this up some. With an actual radio station, you pay ASCAP/BMI to play music, not the RIAA.

    5. Re:So the economics are clear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It won't cut into Clear Channel's profits and they won't care.

      The resistance will come from the National Association of Brodcasters. They will point out -- rightly -- that "neighborhood brodcasters" should be required to use type-accepted equipment to guarantee that transmitters are clean enough not to interfere with licensed stations or other services.

      Companies like Clear Channel aren't interested in strangling the airwaves. They're interested in profitability, and low-power broadcasters are no threat to the bottom line.

      Bring 'em on.

    6. Re:So the economics are clear by akb · · Score: 3, Informative

      You are mistaken on several fronts here:

      - you pay ASCAP / BMI for broadcast rights, RIAA if you want to sell copies

      - non profit broadcast radio stations are not exempt from paying ASCAP / BMI, though the rate is lower

      - non profit internet radio pays RIAA a reduced rate from commercial stations

    7. Re:So the economics are clear by akb · · Score: 1

      You pay ASCAP / BMI for broadcast rights not RIAA. They have a lowish rate of a few hundred dollars that LPFMs fit into.

  8. Neighborhood radio by ak_hepcat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This seems like it would be a no-brainer, but I'm glad they're finally waking up to hear the radio.

    I played around with broadcast back in my college days, and had some fun, especially knowing that the odds of somebody actually listening in were fairly remote ("free pizza to the next caller!" ... tick...tick...tick..)

    And with the size of my CD collection (as well as free MP3's from various places) I think it would be fun to set up a random genre station. Or, as my friends and I have talked about, a mobile station, for when we're taking long road trips.

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    1. Re:Neighborhood radio by drachenstern · · Score: 1

      i'm curious, does it violate fcc regs to set up a mobile broadcaster in your car since, a) it's your car and your computer system (assuming proper setup), and b) you can buy the components for a personal fm transmitter from tandy corp. (radioshack for those who don't know who tandy is , although why i just told you is beyond me) as far as the transmitter goes, i know i have seen kits offered when tandy was starting techamerica, which was supposed to become some big chain, about 4 years ago, but i havent heard anything about them lately.

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    2. Re:Neighborhood radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Mobile station? Did that, several times.

      TV production company I worked for used to take the mobile production truck on long trips. We bought a stereo FM transmitter, used an existing mixer, had headsets, and played our personal MP3 collections. We'd put somebody's cell number on a poster on the side of the truck with the frequency we were broadcasting on, and took requests. We chattered like (bad) DJ's, sang along, and talked to those around us listening. We even put a wireless mike in the chase car, so we could all play along.

      Our range was typically about 1/2 mile, so we rarely had more than 3 or 4 cars listening. I tell ya, though, it was a real hoot getting that first request!

      Posted anonymously to protect the guilty.

    3. Re:Neighborhood radio by Mikey-San · · Score: 1

      But what are the implications of this, you broadcasting your CD collection to the public air?

      On most CDs you own, you can find this message:

      Unauthorized copying, public performance, broadcasting, or rental of this recording is prohibited.

      Emphasis mine, of course.

      While the FCC's recommendation to Congress regarding low-power FM is a really good thing, we won't be able to make a playlist of our favourite records and light up the neighbourhood, since most records' legal errata prohibit this.

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    4. Re:Neighborhood radio by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oh, you can, you just have to pay statutory royalties based on a formula laid out in the law. Since it's a statutory license, the copyright owner doesn't get any say, that performance is authorized.

      And another funny little quirk. If you truely have no listners, then the statutory license is free because it'd produce a multiplication by zero in the formula. :)

    5. Re:Neighborhood radio by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Not a problem...Broadcast non RIAA music only, but then there's ASCAP.

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    6. Re:Neighborhood radio by certsoft · · Score: 1

      Cool, I just ordered a FM100B to play with. Boy, I haven't built a kit since the Heathkit days of old. Of course, what will probably happen is that they won't actually have any in stock (like Heathkit) and I'll cancel the order ;)

  9. Awesome! by da3dAlus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If this works, small stations like WGHR would have a chance to get back on the air. Yes, I'm plugging my old college radio station that just got forced off the Atlanta airwaves in the past year, due to the lack of spectrum real estate. It was one of the last remaining Class D stations, but due to recent purchases of several new stations in the area by Susquehanna and Clear Channel, there has been no place left to go. But now the internet has become the only home for the station. Please help support them!

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    1. Re:Awesome! by ahuimanu · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is scary. The student body and the community deserve the right to have such alternative voices and it is part of the FCC's mission to do so.

      I have another thread here where I sing the merits of a Hawaii station - KTUH - which is college radio. On the island of Kauai, they have KKCR, Kauai Community Radio, http://www.kkcr.org/ which I had the pleasure of direct exposure to (they have an online feed as well). THIS STATION is what "community radio" is all about.

      If normal people in the United States do not become politically active (like people were in the 1960s) we are going to continue to LOSE! Offshoring anyone?

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    2. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the link to the Opera browser killer page.

    3. Re:Awesome! by da3dAlus · · Score: 1

      Thanks to those of you who have at least taken the time to visit the site so far. I'm sorry that the stream appears to be down at the moment. I just helped them get everything up and running yesterday (adminstration just approved the funds for the off-site streaming services). Hopefully everything should be back up and running soon.

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    4. Re:Awesome! by MrBlue+VT · · Score: 1

      Heh, I thought it was just me! Opera is great except for the few times it decides to choke.

    5. Re:Awesome! by FLEB · · Score: 1

      The catch-22 being that "the people" hardly own (or even have a voice on) any of the broadcast media, and if they're not looking for it, most people will never rise above the mediocraty to become active.

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    6. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WGHR enjoys protected status as a class D station. If it were true that no other channel were available, it could be moved to 87.9 MHz, a channel reserved specifically for displaced class D stations. I know they had applied for 101.1 MHz; I don't know what became of that. They just need to be more aggressive with their studies/applications. As chief operator for one of the big college stations in Atlanta, I'm still hoping WGHR will return.

    7. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sad thing is that now a radio station owned by Susquehanna is played throughout the Student Center.

  10. And for taxpayer incentives by drachenstern · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "After significant expense by the taxpayers, the scientists have reported on the same laws of physics that have always existed," deputy director Cheryl Leanza said. "These tiny radio stations are no threat to the current broadcast system. It is now time for Congress to take action based on that analysis."

    anyone else notice this portion? makes you wonder who actually expected the laws of physics to bend to the whims of lawmakers and lobbyists?

    okay, now flag me as a troll

    thanks

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    1. Re:And for taxpayer incentives by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      makes you wonder who actually expected the laws of physics to bend to the whims of lawmakers and lobbyists?

      Clear Channel for one. NPR doesn't like community radio either. They pushed for the restrictions, also

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    2. Re:And for taxpayer incentives by mooman · · Score: 1
      I noted that quote as well. Sounded like a very sarcastic or tongue-in-cheek response.

      I also noted the quote that followed it, but I think the author of that one misspelled one of the words:
      A spokesman for the National Association of Broadcasters dismissed the study as flawed. "Local radio listeners should not be subjected to the inevitable interference that would result from shoehorning more stations onto our already overcrowded radio dial," spokesman Dennis Wharton said.
      At least that seems how they act...
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  11. Coolness! by toiletsalmon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is one of those really cool things I used to think about as a kid, but in light of all the turmoil being caused by, Kazaa, the **AA, et al, I just can't get that excited about it.

    Untill we get this Intellectual Property "saga" sorted out, we can pretty much count on any cool uses for tech like this being brought in through the "front door" getting the political axe.

    1. Re:Coolness! by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      There are lots of unsigned artists to put on the air. I think ASCAP is probably going to step on some toes to keep them off however. They also have a big stake in the status quo. I would worry about them more than the RIAA. The musician's union(whatever they're called) might have something to say about this, also

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    2. Re:Coolness! by RevMike · · Score: 2, Informative
      Untill we get this Intellectual Property "saga" sorted out, we can pretty much count on any cool uses for tech like this being brought in through the "front door" getting the political axe.

      There are no IP issues with operating a bona fide radio station. More accurately, the issues have long been worked out. Broadcast royalties for virtually all music other than your local garage bands are covered by ASCAP. A commercial station that primarily plays music and has gross revenue under $50,000 per year need only pay an annual fee of $450 for a license to broadcast ASCAP's entire portfolio. Non-commercial stations pay rates determined by the US copyright office. It is all in ASCAP's faq.

    3. Re:Coolness! by lunachik · · Score: 1
      virtually all music other than your local garage bands are covered by ASCAP
      You've got it somewhat backwards. Virtually all music is not covered by ASCAP. That is because mainstream music that is produced by the major label members of ASCAP represents a sliver of the total amount of music produced in America, and a shred of a sliver of the total amount of music produced worldwide.

      Of course there is no way to quantify this number, but among those in the music department of my college radio station, we figure mainstream music makes up less than 1% of all music, and probably much less. This is judging from the hundreds of CDs we receive each month, a single handful of which might be ASCAP covered. Most of the popular music you will see topping the CMJ charts isn't ASCAP either.

    4. Re:Coolness! by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      Untill we get this Intellectual Property "saga" sorted out, we can pretty much count on any cool uses for tech like this being brought in through the "front door" getting the political axe.

      There are no IP issues with operating a bona fide radio station.

      And there in a nutshell you hit the problem. Most /. posters are not the least bit interested in running a legal (bona-fide) station. They are interested in doing only what the H__l they want with no regards for the wants, needs, or rights of any other person.

      Yet when $BIG_COMPANY behaves the same way, they are the first to whine, howl, and complaing about how their wants, needs, and rights are being trampled on, ignored, legislated away... They, as well as most of the population of the US, act like small children, take the same responsobility for and interest in the world around them as small children, then are dismayed when they reap what they have sown.
  12. Sure they do.... by tiwason · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As they continue to shut down stations and refuse to give out licenses ??

    FCC sues to shut down rfb

    http://www.reformer.com/Stories/0,1413,102%257E886 0%257E1965359,00.html

    1. Re:Sure they do.... by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      Having a link to illegal pirate station in the past is actually cause for the FCC to deny an LPFM application in the areas that they are handing them out.

    2. Re:Sure they do.... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      It's not unlike denying a driver's licence to people that have a history of driving illegally.

      Breaking the law, however stupid the law is, still brings penalties.

    3. Re:Sure they do.... by bheerssen · · Score: 1

      The FCC is both a regulation agency and an enforcement agency. While they may push for more lenient rules, they still must enforce the rules as they currently exist. There's no contradiction here.

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  13. I would love to hear by iminplaya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Clear Channel's attempt to keep restrictions where they are, if not to increase them. They probably would use some lame excuse about maintaining the value of their broadcast license. Taxi drivers in Chicago said the same thing, trying to stop the city from permitting more taxis to operate in the city. They wanted to maintain the value of their medallions, which costed up to 40,000 usd.

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    1. Re:I would love to hear by sybert · · Score: 1
      I don't like the fact that everyone else wants to listen to remotely programmed top 40 junk, but that is what other people choose to listen to. We don't get to control what other people choose to listen to. If there were enough loud-mouthed Clear Channel critics to support profitable locally programmed stations there would be more locally programmed stations.

      We are losing independent media voices at a record pace while the total number of independent voices available is at a record high and increasing. It's called competition. The space that needs more competition is newspapers. The local Clear Channel (AM) radio station that I listen to has the best local news in my market, much better than the remotely owned monopoly local newspaper. I would love them to open a newspaper, but then they would cross-own multiple media types. If we want existing media to compete against monopoly newspapers then we must allow for companies to cross-own newspaper, TV, and radio stations.

    2. Re:I would love to hear by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      What state are you in? In Ohio, Dispatch Media Group owns the following:

      The Columbus Dispatch (newspaper)
      10TV WBNS (television station)
      21DT WBNS (does it really count, though? It's the HDTV arm of 10TV)
      ONN (Ohio News Network - think CNN, except only covering Ohio)
      1040AM WBNS The Fan (sports radio - might have the frequency wrong)
      97.1FM WBNS (similar to 97.9 WNCI, which is a ClearChannel top 40 station, but no good morning show)

      I think I'm missing some stuff, too...

    3. Re:I would love to hear by toast0 · · Score: 1

      Why are you using the word 'costed'? It makes my brain hurt. You can just use the word cost.

      Examples
      In 1943, a green bean cost three dubloons.
      In 1534, two green beans cost four dollars.
      Today, a green bean costs three cents.
      Currently, green beans cost two dubloons per ounce.

      <usage nazi>

  14. Cool by Bruha · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now I just need some BlackJack bubblegum and some old records and I can become HarryHardon!

  15. Pirate Radio? by kc0re · · Score: 0

    Well doesn't that just take all the phun out of pirate radio?!!

    1. Re:Pirate Radio? by Eagle5596 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Arrrr. It does at that matey!

      Of course you can always take the route some fellows I know did. They connected their broadcast to the town railroad tracks, and four a fifteen minute period broadcast a "We are invading your world, surrender or die" kind of bit. They managed to get out of their fast enough that they weren't caught, but as far as I know, everyone in a ten mile radius picked it up on every station.

    2. Re:Pirate Radio? by gotmemory · · Score: 1

      hahahahah! thats great!

      How did you get it to fill EVERY station?

    3. Re:Pirate Radio? by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      RTFP. He said they used the railroad tracks. I'm assuming he meant that they used the tracks as the antenna.

      Also, they had to have used a SHITLOAD of power.

  16. Radio becoming obsolete? by polv0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With narrow bandwidth, limited geographic reach and poor sound quality, why haven't the alternatives to FM radio caught on? There is satellite radio, cable radio, internet radio, yet all combined the size of their audiences pale in comparison to those of good old FM, a technology that hasn't changed for decades.

    While advancing leaps and bounds in personal mp3 players, are we skipping the next generation of broadcasted music?

    1. Re:Radio becoming obsolete? by damiam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because satellite radio isn't free, cable radio requires cables, and internet radio doesn't scale (and requires an internet connection).

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    2. Re:Radio becoming obsolete? by gerardrj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are several reasons radio is still the dominant player:

      1. ubiquity: every car comes from he factory with an radio, you can get a radio for $3 that runs on a single battery
      2. simplicity. There's no special antennas, just turn on and tune in.
      3. price. AM and FM radio are free (via commercials) and do not require any monthly subscription
      4. mobility. You can't take streaming internet radio with you easily
      5. locality. radio is community based, if something happens in the area you can get alerts, news, weather. That's not easy to do with satellite or internet streams which are "one size fits all".

      When you can get a satellite radio reciever for less than $10 that fits in your pocket with no external antenna and runs for hours if not days on a standard 9v battery, then it will give tower based radio a run for the money.

      I find it ironic that many people complain about the homoginization of radio due to companies like Clear Channel, but think that satellite is a better option. If anything, satellite is an even worse case if you want diversification in broadcasting.

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    3. Re:Radio becoming obsolete? by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      FM is free. Nothing beats free.

  17. They couldn't stop us before by nil5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been doing this for a while, and I've known a few guys to get busted, but mostly it's unenforceable as it is. Why not make the law reflect that?

    If you chose to operate an FM transmitter outside these parameters, you would be considered a "pirate" in the eyes of the FCC, and you can be discovered, even though these rules are enforced unevenly. Sometimes a 1 watt station goes unnoticed by local licensed broadcasters, so a complaint is never filed and the FCC never finds out about it. Anecdotally, we have also heard of cases where FCC agents have turned a blind eye to 1 to 3 watt stations, if it seemed like they were not bothering any licensed broadcasters. At this level, despite operating at up to 75 times the legal limit, the actual power is so minuscule that the agent decided not to pursue the case. (This is akin to a cop pulling you over for speeding, but deciding to not give you the ticket because they think you're cute. You may be able to get away with it, but let no one fool you into thinking that it is actually legal.)

    Some members of Prometheus Radio Radio Project were involved in pirate broadcasting. We did this because we believed that the broadcast regulations of this country are fundamentally unfair. We ran great community radio stations in defiance of the wealth-based structure of our broadcast system. The FCC eventually confiscated our stations, but announced that they had gotten the message of our -civil disobedience and that they were going to create a legalized low power fm radio service. We decided to stop pirating and work with the FCC to build a permanent new community radio service for this country. There is still a movement of unlicensed pirate stations that continues to operate in defiance of the broadcast regulations, which truthfully have only gotten slightly better as a result of LPFM. Morally we are sympathetic to these operations, but from a practical standpoint we do not devote our work to assisting them. We focus our efforts on the stations that are going to be able to become permanent fixtures in their communities, that are able to serve diverse communities because no one needs to worry about having their door busted down for operating without a license.

    1. Re:They couldn't stop us before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well now they'll get you....

    2. Re:They couldn't stop us before by n()_cHIEFz · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can't say that I've ever run crosswise of the FCC but I don't think I would want to. As an amateur radio operator (W5DCC), I read the AARL web site regularly and they run letters from the FCC on who's breaking the rules. Given the letters they publish are mostly related to the amateur bands and citizens band. I can recall one gentleman who received a rather harsh punishment (read jail time) for running large wattage (50-100 watt) transmitters in CB.

      I understand that you're talking about 1 watt or there about, but you're talking about transmitting in a commercial band. I wouldn't recommend pirate transmissions in any band unless you're willing to face the consequences of messing with Uncle Sam.

      I don't agree with all the FCCs regulations concerning broadcast but I wouldn't advocate pirate radio.

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  18. Lucky you... by Trracer · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just wish they would do the same in Sweden. They just issued a recall of those cool JOS mp3-players with builtin FM-transmitters even tho they come disabled.

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  19. It will never happen by eclectro · · Score: 2, Insightful


    The people who own congress in this area, NPR and NAB, will not let this happen.

    They will haul out their so-called "engineers" that will prove that a 10 watt station interferes with the 100,000 watt station up on the hill. They will drag out their old engineering papers that contradict everything that the FCC has documented. As if the FCC engineers never went to grade school. And a congress person will then have an excuse to throw a wrench in the works. This will happen at the last moment, by attaching a rider to the omnibus funding bill, just like before.

    Just remember, you're pledge money is going to buy off a senator somewhere.

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  20. FCC spacing rules by nerw · · Score: 5, Interesting
    A few critical points to consider here:

    1. What the FCC is proposing - allowing low-power FM stations to locate just three channels away from full-power signals, instead of four channels as is now required - is status quo in most of the world. In Toronto, for instance, a high-power CBC transmitter on 94.1 at the CN Tower coexists just fine with a newer signal on 93.5 just a few blocks away at First Canadian Place. In other parts of the world, spacing is even tighter and yet it still works. London has signals stacked up at 105.2, 105.6, 106.0 and 106.4 with no problems.

    2. What the FCC is proposing is already status quo in the U.S., albeit with a catch. Translator stations - signals of up to 250 watts that are only allowed to relay other stations and cannot originate their own programming - are governed by a different set of rules that allow them, in some cases, to nestle up as close as second-adjacent to (0.4 MHz away from) full-power signals. And the FCC recently had a filing window in which it received several thousand applications for such translators, the vast majority of them from a small handful of religious broadcasting networks that will feed them by satellite from Idaho and California. How does this benefit local listeners? You tell me...

    3. Very little of what the FCC does is about engineering. Everything the FCC does is about politics, even the engineering parts. It has always been thus.

    Scott Fybush - NorthEast Radio Watch

    1. Re:FCC spacing rules by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Informative

      2. What the FCC is proposing is already status quo in the U.S., albeit with a catch. Translator stations - signals of up to 250 watts that are only allowed to relay other stations and cannot originate their own programming - are governed by a different set of rules that allow them, in some cases, to nestle up as close as second-adjacent to (0.4 MHz away from) full-power signals. And the FCC recently had a filing window in which it received several thousand applications for such translators, the vast majority of them from a small handful of religious broadcasting networks that will feed them by satellite from Idaho and California. How does this benefit local listeners? You tell me...

      So as much as it's cool to bash a mega-company on this site, it's not really Clear Channel who is trying to kill off LPFM, it's the religious broadcasters who are booking up all of the free slots on the dial so that LPFM can't get them.

      Clear Channel really doesn't have to lift a finger. These religious groups are doing everything it takes to kill off LPFM all by themselves.

    2. Re:FCC spacing rules by nerw · · Score: 1

      So as much as it's cool to bash a mega-company on this site, it's not really Clear Channel who is trying to kill off LPFM, it's the religious broadcasters who are booking up all of the free slots on the dial so that LPFM can't get them. Correct. IIRC, Clear Channel accounted for fewer than 100 of the several thousand applications for new translators, and those were mostly (if not entirely) "defensive" applications to keep existing signals from getting chipped into by other new translator applications. Not that that will make a difference to the habitual CC-bashers here and on the radio message boards.

    3. Re:FCC spacing rules by zentec · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Adjacent channel interferrence of any sort of concerning magnitude isn't going to be caused by WXXX's transmitter being too close to WYYY's. These days, many broadcasters share not only the same tower facility, but many dump their power into the same antenna.

      Yes, if you drive your vehicle by a large community antenna site, you're likely to hear all sorts of hash on your receiver. But that's a rx desense problem, not one of adjacent channel interference.

      Adjacent channel interference of an FM signal at 100% modulation (where all the energy is in the sidebands and not the carrier) is a result of the discriminator of an FM receiver. The sidebands of the adjacent station are spilling over into the passband of the receiver trying to tune another channel. The preferred method of keeping this under control is indeed distance; but it's a distance of 80-120 miles, not just a few blocks! That's why you'll see nearby markets having their channels "interleaved" (like Detroit and Toledo).

      You're correct in that the FCC tightly controls the channel spacing between communities because adjacent channel interference is very hard to correct without directional antennas (which induce multipath) or power restrictions, or both.

      The instance of where having WXXX's transmitter location many city blocks away from WYYY's is in intermodulation product mitigation. But even then the perferred method is inserting notch filters to keep the mixing products out of the PA cavity of the transmitter.

      Ironically, the installations I've seen and worked on that have the least amount of intermod problems are the ones dumping as many as 4 stations into a single antenna. The hybrid-combiner systems all use bandpass filtering that pretty much kill anything but the desired signal going in the desired direction. But again, these are intermod problems, not adjacent channel interference problems.

    4. Re:FCC spacing rules by idiotnot · · Score: 1

      But far be it from the slashdot crowd to understand this. Rule number one of leftist trolling -- mention a big Texas company tied to Bush, preferably Halliburton, but Clear Channel will do in a pinch.

      People seem to misunderstand what's going on here -- first, basically, if you're *not* a religious outlet, you have a snowball's chance in hell of getting an LPFM license, ever. Second, these stations, being non-commercial do not compete with commercial stations. Arbitron will not take ratings on them. Third, the entire National Association of Broadcasters was against the LPFM licenses, not just Clear Channel.

      The reasons were legitimate technical reasons. This is even more true when you do what the FCC chose to do, which is make all the LPFM's non-commercial. Hopefully these stations will be tuned correctly; if not, there will be signal interference. What happens in Canada isn't germane to the discussion -- the regulations are different across the board.

      I, personally, don't have a problem with LPFM, so long as there's a commercial option, and the stations are bothered by the FCC as much as the full power stations are.

      BTW, I am a broadcaster, and *not* for Clear Channel.

    5. Re:FCC spacing rules by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      Long time fan, Scott... maybe you should link to a few of your back columns where you document just where the LPFM applications have come from.

    6. Re:FCC spacing rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a small handful of religious broadcasting networks that will feed them by satellite from Idaho and California. How does this benefit local listeners? You tell me...

      It means that more people will be able to listen to the weekly "Signs of Evil" Countdown!

    7. Re:FCC spacing rules by r2000 · · Score: 1

      Those are miles apart, here we have stations in the same city 0.4MHz apart, there i 93.4, 93.8, 94.2, all the same power all from the same transmission site. Works fine on anything better then an analog tuned $9 clock radio, and the ministry of commerce that oversees spectrum allocation basically says, you buy a cheap radio, you get cheap performance, tough luck. Also, there are the LPFM allocations at each end of the FM band, its basically a free for all, but in any given area people are stacking them 0.2MHz apart, and so long as noone overmodulates, it all works fine on a 1/2 decent radio. 0.8Mhz seems somewhat excessive, perhaps in the days of non PLL tuning it was needed, but these days its just crazy

  21. ClearChannel by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2, Informative
    ClearChannel is ranked among the top 5 radio conglomerates in the world.
    Heh, and not just radio.

    Just this week, the anti-monopoly watchdog in the Netherlands seized some company records of Mojo, who organise about 90% of all large gigs in this country. I was surprised to learn that ClearChannel now apparently owns a goodly chunk of Mojo, although a spokesman vehemently denied that 'America' had their fingers in the day-to-day operation of Mojo.
    --
    If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    1. Re:ClearChannel by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Clear Channel's modus operandi doesn't exactly call for a political view or day-to-day control over anything, they just want all the profits. They distribute a wide range of radio personalites including Rush Limbaugh, Dr. Laura, Art Bell, Jim Rome, Carson Daly, Rick Dees and Ryan Seacrest among the biggest names.

      The only reason why right-wing talkers outnumber left-wing talkers is simply because the right-wingers tend to get better ratings. (That doesn't need to mean people agree with the right-wingers... a talk show host who says stupid things argues with all of the tons of callers telling him he's wrong can still be a ratings hit.)

      Clear Channel is unabashed in what they do. They're not here to inform. They're not here to entertain. They're here to get people to listen to ads, get people to look at their outdoor billboards, and get people to buy tickets to their concerts. The company exists to make money, and that's the bottom line.

    2. Re:ClearChannel by AvantLegion · · Score: 1
      The only reason why right-wing talkers outnumber left-wing talkers is simply because the right-wingers tend to get better ratings.

      One might argue that it's also because the left-wing viewpoint is sufficiently well represented in the other forms of media.

      Not that that's necessarily bad - both viewpoints, and all in between, need to get out there. But it would be nice to see a more even distribution across all medias.

  22. Another Alternative by Winkhorst · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not to even mention internet radio, but you can rent time on WBCQ shortwave (transmitter located in Maine) at ridiculously low prices and broadcast to the entire planet. And you can say virtually anything you want, though your listeners are limited to those with enough perception to own a world-band radio. The funny thing is that the owner started out in pirate radio.

    --
    "Is this Winkhorst a nova criminal?" "No just a technical sergeant wanted for interrogation."
    1. Re:Another Alternative by buford_tannen · · Score: 1

      Ah, someone with a clue.

      I just got a humble Grundig YB-400 for christmas to replace my analog Sangean SG-622.

      I originally started listening to WBCQ because of "Off The Hook" (2600 Magazine's radio show).

      --
      Buford "Mad Dog" Tannen
    2. Re:Another Alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what is the frequency?

    3. Re:Another Alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kenneth???

    4. Re:Another Alternative by Winkhorst · · Score: 1

      7.415 MHz

      --
      "Is this Winkhorst a nova criminal?" "No just a technical sergeant wanted for interrogation."
  23. Ummmm... by Zaffo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What's to keep ClearChannel from buying low-power stations? I mean, granted, in most situations such stations aren't significant enough to even bother, but I can see how they'd have incredible commercial potential in key metropolitan areas. A four- to seven-mile range in places like Boston or Miami... how would ClearChannel *not* want a piece of that?

    1. Re:Ummmm... by codepunk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Go look up the regulation, HP broadcasting and media
      companies are prohibited from obtianing a LPFM license. While that makes perfect sense the clause that prohibits a private individual is just plain wrong. As well as the private individual using his LPFM for commercial purposes.

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    2. Re:Ummmm... by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      Same reason why CC hasn't gone buying up full power NPR affiliates. LPFM stations by definition are all non-commercial. Without the ability to play full-strength commericals, Clear Channel sees no reason to care...

  24. Here in San Diego... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the local College radio isn't even radio -- it's /internet/ radio!

    Since we're near the border, the frequencies available are cut in half (half for the US, half for Mexico, mas o menos). This isn't a problem for CC, etc, though; they just go buy a (much more high powered) station in Mexico and send their signals all the way to LA. Meanwhile, /educational/ radio is left w/o the possibility of an audience.

    p.s. wasn't there a LPFM proposal like 4 years ago!? (didn't congress strike it down/ignore it?)

    1. Re:Here in San Diego... by akb · · Score: 1

      RTFA

      There is a LPFM service established a few years ago. However, Congress cut by around 75 percent the number of stations by mandating a stronger interference threshold than the FCC said was necessary. The recent report issued by the FCC says it studied the issue in more depth and it was right the first time, interference from existing stations is so small as to be laughable.

  25. Good News by Gatton · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I love this guy:

    "Local radio listeners should not be subjected to the inevitable interference that would result from shoehorning more stations onto an already overcrowded radio dial," spokesman Dennis Wharton said.

    As if what they're broadcasting is preferable to static. I love the idea that this will give more people a voice. Of course when you start giving out freedoms you have to give them to the weirdos too but that's a small price to pay.

  26. Interference should be... by martin_b1sh0p · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...less of an issue with HD radio out right? I just got an add from Kenwood promoting their HD Radio receiver. So if AM/FM is now broadcast digitally encoded then you should either get 100% clear or not right?

    1. Re:Interference should be... by nerw · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not really. The "HD Radio" system the US is adopting (which is, in good US fashion, a completely different and incompatible system from what the rest of the world, Canada included, is using) depends on being able to use the adjacent frequency space on either side of the existing analog signal. So a signal on 94.7, let's say, that currently occupies 94.6-94.8 MHz will now spread out from 94.4-95.0 MHz, give or take. (The way the system is designed, it can recover a usable digital signal even if it can only hear one of the sidebands and suffers interference on the other.)

      There's some concern - some of it legitimate, even - that loosening the spacing rules will cause problems with HD Radio. (In the very distant long term when we all have digital radios - you can stop laughing now, really - the analog signal at the center of the frequency is supposed to go away and the digital carriers will again occupy only 0.2 MHz, making this point moot. No engineer I know believes this is likely to happen any time soon.)

    2. Re:Interference should be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so you're like one of MAYBE 6 people in the nation who've seen the HD setup? Here in MN, nobody on the broadcast side (AM/FM) has an HD transmitter, due to their costs. (For those curious upwards of $200k for a hybrid setup) Check it out. It's not worth it AT ALL for me to upgrade my plant to HD when i have maybe 4 people who can listen to it. Hell, i don't know many people who'll just throw out $400 on a reciever to pick up nothingness...
      www.broadcast.harris.com
      www.ibiq uity.com

  27. Sound Quality by Detritus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Broadcast FM can have excellent sound quality. The reason that most stations sound like shit is the management's desire to sound "louder" than every other station on the dial.

    --
    Mea navis aericumbens anguillis abundat
  28. The real quote that matters: by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 1

    These tiny radio stations are no threat to the current broadcast system
    Here's the only thing that matters. These tiny stations are no threat to the current system, either physically or economically.
    Clear Channel doesn't give a damn, you can't touch them. You and your vast army of geeks can't touch them, and they know it.
    I'm all for some area "flavor" on the FM band, but don't think for a second that it's going to touch the bottom line for CC.

    1. Re:The real quote that matters: by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Clear Channel doesn't give a damn...

      I beg to differ. Clear Channel lobbied hard for the present restrictions. I personlly don't care to see community radio exist simply to bankrupt Clear Channel or any other corporate media outlet. I just want to have an alternative that can stay afloat. This shouldn't be too dificult due to the small budgets involved. I would like to believe that small station owner/operaters could keep these transmitters up with money from their day job if they have to.

      --
      What?
    2. Re:The real quote that matters: by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1

      It could if you organized it right.

      What if somebody cobbled together a cheap network-enabled low-power fm broadcaster? A $50 box which you plug into your high-speed network connection & point to a shoutcast stream, rebroadcasting the audio with a low power signal up to only a mile away.

      It doesn't take much imagination to see how a group of volunteers or a small company could broadcast streams _all_ over the world, to precisely-targeted geographic areas (or saturating large areas, if the transmitters are smart enough to avoid conflicting with each other if they detect that they are all broadcasting at the same frequencies) - all without paying enormous license fees to the FCC or maintaining expensive (and dangerous) radio equipment at central locations.

  29. Depends on the market by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    I know for our local market at least there is NO open channels..

    We are packed wall to wall..

    Found this out trying to use one of those little 'mp3 to fm' transmitters.. we don't have any dead air..

    But its a nice idea, letting the people express themselves and exercise their constitutional right of free speech.. and with the UHF 'public' tv channels going away soon, its only fair we have some outlet..

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  30. Something interesting in LPFM regulation by codepunk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    LPFM stations are available to noncommercial educational entities and public safety and transportation organizations, but are not available to individuals or for commercial operations. Current broadcast licensees with interests in other media (broadcast or newspapers) are not eligible to obtain LPFM stations.

    Now why on earth is it for non-commercial operation. Why can't I as a private citizen set up a radio station and sell advertising? Well I guess I know the reason for that (corporate interests). Now limiting HP broadcasting or media companys ability to do this makes perfect sense.

    --


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  31. Good to hear that could be happening in the States by reality-bytes · · Score: 1

    It sounds like unusually open-minded thinking by the FCC.

    Unfortunately I can't imagine anything like that happening in the UK, the RA / DTI love their strangle-hold a little too much here.

    --
    Ripping an new rectum in the fabric of spacetime.
  32. Re:College radio vs. commercial radio. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know which excites me more--listening to uninformed opinions and bad music played over a college station run by pimply-faced students temporarily acting out their rebellion fantasies on their parents dollars before they cave in to corporate culture, or the flip side of those uninformed opinons and bad music played by those same people once they graduate and move to commercial stations. It's really hard to choose.

  33. ClearChannel... Stranglehold? by Bewray · · Score: 3, Informative

    If Congress adopts the FCC's recommendations, it will loosen the stranglehold that companies like ClearChannel have on the airwaves.

    ClearChannel has a stranglehold? If you live in the US is there a single, non public channel that isn't controlled by ClearChannel?

    A list of ClearChannel stations.

    Stranglehold? Nah!

    --
    My spoon is too big!
    1. Re:ClearChannel... Stranglehold? by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's a reporter (for an NPR affiliate) who was waiting for the FCC hearings last year on Clear Channel's plans to expand into yet-another-market. The hearings were closed-door, so the reporters were all waiting in the hallway outside. When the Clear Channel rep came through, he introduced himself to the reporters and asked if anyone had questions before he went in.
      The reporter asked if he planned to use all the chairs, or just one.

    2. Re:ClearChannel... Stranglehold? by NegativeK · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you live in the US is there a single, non public channel that isn't controlled by ClearChannel?

      There's 99.7 FM in Atlanta.. I only listen to them 'cause the play 90's rock on the weekends (the _good_ stuff), and they have a great ad. It's something along the lines of..

      First voice: 99.7, based in Atlanta, run from Atlanta, with real DJs from Atlanta.
      Second voice: I think he means we're not ClearChannel.

      I laughed so hard when heard that that tears were streaming down my face.

      --
      This statement is false.
    3. Re:ClearChannel... Stranglehold? by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      Yes. In my county (Blair in Pennsylvania). There is not ONE Clearchannel station. In fact the closest station is over an hour away, and I can't even pick it up. So yeah they own a lot of stations, but some of us are out of their reach.

  34. Typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have a mistake in your third paragraph. You accidentally typed "Allowing neighbourhood radio station, will detoriate the quality on frequencies that ClearChannel has control over." where you meant to say "Allowing neighbourhood radio station, will detoriate the listener ratings on frequencies that ClearChannel has control over."

  35. Can't broadcast unlicensed music by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Just because they are opening the channels back up to the people wont mean you can broadcast your MP3 collection..

    That's still a ASCAP issue, as rebroadcast with out a license is still illegal.. And if you can afford that, you can afford a 'real' broadcaster's license + equipment.

    But you can make your own music, or have 24/7 talk radio...

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    1. Re:Can't broadcast unlicensed music by RadioTV · · Score: 1

      Start a relationship with your local bands. I have a friend that is a musician who would give anything to have the possibility of hitting a bigger audience then what is in the bar on a Saturday night.

      --
      I have great faith in fools - self confidence my friends call it. - Edgar Allan Poe
  36. Let's de-dupe the airwaves by wytcld · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since I'm just out of range of RFB I was just scanning through the FM dial to find anything at all to listen to while the NH and VT public radio stations run their news drones. With a high-end receiver I got maybe 10 other stations, all on the same continuum from country to rock. The public interest simply isn't served by having more than three of these stations - the playlists overlap so completely that any three of 'em would be sufficient to rotate the entire playlist of all ten a couple times a week, at least. So what's this crap doing on my airwaves, when there are people literally ready to volunteer both time and transmitters to put better stuff up in the spaces between, or even right in its place?

    If spectrum is so limited, why is it filled so redundantly with the same junk? When there's a true shortage of something, it's human nature to use it more carefully.

    --
    "with their freedom lost all virtue lose" - Milton
    1. Re:Let's de-dupe the airwaves by RevMike · · Score: 4, Informative
      If spectrum is so limited, why is it filled so redundantly with the same junk? When there's a true shortage of something, it's human nature to use it more carefully.

      Do yourself a favor and find a copy of "FM: The Rise and Fall of Rock Radio" by Richard Neer. It'll answer the question. I'll try to summarize...

      Once, due to both inertia and quirks in regulation, radio stations were cheap. Since they were cheap, a radio station owner could get a nice return by targeting a niche market. Management didn't care if they were number 1, in the middle of the pack, or at the bottom in terms of ratings. Everyone could still make a decent return on their investment.

      Then, regulations were changed. Radio stations became expensive. The old owners all sold out and made huge profits. The new owners now needed to justify the huge prices they paid. No one could afford to run a station aimed at a niche market. Everyone needed to compete for the maximum ratings.

      The radio station that was, for instance, fiftenth in the ratings looked at what the number one radio station was doing and thought "If we did the same thing, maybe we could be number one." Everyone started changing formats like wild. Diversity disappeared. Radio became a wasteland.

      Today a commercial radio station can't afford to play anything that isn't main stream. Ownership put serious money on the line to buy the station, now they need to see profits to go with that investment. That money only comes from having a big audience.

    2. Re:Let's de-dupe the airwaves by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      I agree with you about all the crap on the airwaves, but I did see one thing wrong in your post. When there's a true shortage of something, it's human nature to try to hoard as much for yourself as you can. Don't beleive me? Look at the bottled water shelf in the supermarket when a hurricaine warning is announced.

  37. Good news by gentoo_is_bogus · · Score: 0

    Hope the same happens in other countries.

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    -- Exposing the hype of Gentoo zealots. Modded into the ground to suppress opinion.
  38. Clear Channel won't allow it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clear Channel paid the FCC good money(hookers and drugs aren't cheap, y'know) to ensure total dominance over non-restricted airwaves. They sure as hell aren't going to give it up without a fight.

  39. Haw Haw Haw! by imrdkl · · Score: 1
    Yeah, sure. We'll support you, but we're also going to let IBOC DAB suck up all your frequency. Heh.

    In-band on channel my ass.

  40. jam band station! by puzzled · · Score: 1



    I've been waiting for something like this - Grateful Dead, Phish, Widespread Panic, etc will be playing 24x7 in my area /w just an occasional break for station ID. No song titles, no nothing, just live shows rolling non stop :-)

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    I am very easy to get along with, but I don't have time to waste being nice to people who are being stupid. -Theo
  41. damn hippie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Phish? God they make me want to kiss a shotgun...

    1. Re:damn hippie by puzzled · · Score: 1


      Damn right ... feel good hippie shit playing 24x7 :-) :-) :-)

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      I am very easy to get along with, but I don't have time to waste being nice to people who are being stupid. -Theo
    2. Re:damn hippie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I agree, and i'm sure that if you've ever been to a phish show that you've been around more than a few.

      Phish fans are NOT hippies, they're fucking gangster wannabie hippies.

  42. MSN Direct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as usual slashdot gets it wrong. this has nothing to do with nieghborhood radio. it has to do with getting full nationwide coverage for spot watches.

  43. Talk Hard! by pcraven · · Score: 1

    "Talk Hard!" --Pump up the volume.

    I love that movie. Always made me want to get my own little FM broadcast station.

  44. We can only hope by Cylix · · Score: 1

    This came up once before, but it was shot down in mid run. My area had 14 allowances for low power fm stations and I was waiting for the day to put in my application.

    Unless things have significanly changed, the previous rules were not for a "Music" based radio station. Think solely talk radio. So, before you could not pay your ASCAP, BMI and any other fees to fire up a low cost low power neighborhood radio station.

    It was justa more powerful version of the existing rules for amateur fm.

    Anyone can grab a very low power fm transmitter and broadcast what you please.... well not really what you please. However, the power rules are less then a watt of output.

    I wish I could recall specifics... I'll read up shortly and find out if this is a bit different.

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    "You should always go to other people's funerals; otherwise, they won't come to yours." -- Yogi Berra
    1. Re:We can only hope by akb · · Score: 1

      There is an LPFM service, Congress just scaled it back after being purchased by the commercial broadcasters. The result if no LPFM's in any of the top 50 markets and hundreds of stations instead of thousands.

      You can play music and get a ASCAP/BMI rights for a few hundred dollars. There is a requirement of having a certain number of hours of original locally produced content per week.

  45. The MITRE report by ZPO · · Score: 1

    As discussed on slashdot before - http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/07/14/165722 5&mode=thread

    The FCC has had this report for quite some time. Especially in an election year don't look for your friendly neighborhood congress-critter to upset the NAB.

  46. NPR is part of it too by boobsea · · Score: 1

    NPR was one of the many vocal corporate voices lobbying against LPFM. If I remember, NPR was one of the most vocal opponents.

    1. Re:NPR is part of it too by MarcQuadra · · Score: 1

      True, but it really WOULD damage their interests. What would happen to all those super-leftie's dollars when they can get tax-deductible doantions to local uber-liberal radio? NPR's funds would dry up instantly.

      NPR was acting aggressively and even unfairly against LPFM, but in their view it was all or nothing, and they'd rather not be supplanted by local LPFM stations. Can't say I blame them.

      --
      "Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
  47. Good neighbours by Oodi · · Score: 0, Redundant

    All this non interference stuff is big bunch of horse shit. If my radio gear interferes with my neighbours internet how popular am I going to be? As far as I know amateur radio is the hobby of a minority.... And remember that this is a mobile problem, too. Some HAM comes driving down your lane keying his transmitter quite possibly there goes your internet....

  48. NPR is nearly as bad as the NAB on this subject by hoovs · · Score: 4, Informative
    As mentioned in the story, the FCC started this process several years ago, but congress stopped it. Why?

    The National Association of Broadcasters, however, went nuts over this idea. They lobbied congress hard, and circulated what they thought radio would sound like with all the added stations. The cds they pushed on uninformed congressmen wildly exagrated any problem and the idea was quickly killed.

    One of the things that really angered me about this (and still does) is the fact that NPR fell in step with the NAB. The reasoning for this I can only assume is the fact that listeners of low-power fm would probably come from NPR's listener base and not from some crappy top-40 station. Realizing the possible loss of revenue (fewer pledge drive contributions) NPR acted in this reactionary manner. (I should note that I still support my local NPR stations, but not as happily as previously.)

    Hopefully, congress will listen to the FCC on this instead of lobbyists for the NAB. The electro-magnetic spectrum is a public resource. If the public is not getting anything useful from the currently liscensed stations and are being blocked by these same stations when the public attempts to coexist with them, I say we take some of the spectrum back -- and now.

  49. Loophole? by ryanjensen · · Score: 1
    The FCC found that low-power FM stations can be operated in the gaps of spectrum between major stations without substantially interfering with those major stations.
    Um, couldn't a major station just apply for another license to "fill the gap" between major stations and essentially put low-power competitors out of business? Or would low-power FM stations need licenses for those "gaps" in the spectrum, therefore protecting their right to the gap?
  50. Too Late? by rsmith-mac · · Score: 1

    By this time(2004), is there even any point to opening up small stations like this? Check your FM dial in the larger metropolises, places like NYC and such; there isn't an open slice of the airwaves left to broadcast on. The cynic in me says that this is the only reason a rule like this is being considered in the first place: there isn't any airspace to broadcast in, so it might as well be legal to make the FCC look good. One can't compete against ClearChannel if ClearChannel owns the entire spectrum.

    1. Re:Too Late? by akb · · Score: 1

      The recommendation if adopted by Congress will allow thousands of LPFM stations instead of the current hundreds. Now there are no slots for LPFMs in any of the top 50 markets, under the recommendation there would be some but as you point out not many. Proposed stations in major markets are also likely to be challenged.

      Even an expanded LPFM service is only crumbs. Independently funded support for public media is what's really needed. That's why the CBC, BBC and all the various public broadcasting services in Europe put PBS/NPR to shame.

  51. Common Misconception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Radio stations do indeed pay a royalty for every performance of a work. Its not "free".

    The performer don't get rich from this, the royalties are typically biased towards the composer.

    Don't believe me?

    Visit the BMI and ASCAP website.

  52. This is almost nonsense by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    The radios are heading towards Digital, but I am willing to bet that the FCC will not allow the low broadcast in that area. IOW, it will be broadcasting in areas that have no relevence.

    What is probably a bigger threat to these companies is the stream casting going on, that is starting to also be sent over Wifi.

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  53. its now up to Congress and you by akb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The article doesn't mention that this would allow thousands of these low power stations to go on the air as opposed to the hundreds under the current guidelines. The findings were exactly what the FCC originally recommended but the commercial broadcasters purchased a Congressional override (with NPR's support).

    For this to pass pressure will have to be put on Congress. Its only a recommendation from the FCC, Congress will have to pass legislation to recind their original overriding of the FCC. The Senate will probably be ok, McCain is chairman of the Commerce Committee that has purview.

    The house is more of a problem. Billy Tauzin from Louisana, chairman of the Commerce Committee, is one of the most corrupt industry shills you'll ever come across, the MPAA wanted him as their replacement for Valenti. Also, if you live in Michigan, the ranking Democrat on that Committee, John Dingell, was against LPFM last time, he needs to hear from you.

    Please let your Congress critters know how you feel about this. Its one of the most blatant examples of big corporations stomping the little guy. Media consolidation and the state of radio has been in the news, so there's a small window of opportunity to put thousands of neighborhood radio stations on the air if you contact Congress.

  54. link them up by koan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    via broadband and you could have a network of radio stations across the country.

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  55. Nobody's mentioned radio4all.org by Kunta+Kinte · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you're thinking about starting your own radio station, or just curious about the issues involved check-out http://www.radio4all.org/

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  56. too late for a 50+ year old HS station? by johnpaul191 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    just last week there was a story in Sunday's Philadelphia Inquirer (that you can read here) about how Radio One is sinking WHHS 107.9 FMHavertown PA. WHHS is a 14 watt high-school station that has been a student station broadcasting on FM since 1949. For those of you that don't know, that's about how long FM has been around. The story talks about some new commercial station Radio One wants to put up in Jersey-hell and it would infect the Philadelphia region. WHHS and its class-d educational license is no match for the big bucks Class-A commercial station (even if it doesn't exist yet) so they must pack it in. There is a chance WHHS will find a new chunk of airwaves, but the Philadelphia market is #4 in the USA and incredibly packed. It's a shame when some new fly by night format piece of junk can kill off educational stations like this. I guess community stations are nothing compared to another station playing top 40 crap.

    1. Re:too late for a 50+ year old HS station? by nerw · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Even RTFA'ing won't give you the whole story on this one, so here goes:

      Radio One's not the guilty party here. They didn't apply for the "new" 107.9 station in Pennsauken NJ; they just bought it from the guy who figured out how to squeeze it onto the dial. (The station isn't really new at all - it's being moved from Bridgeton NJ, where it's been operating on 107.7, and earlier on 98.9, since 1948.)

      The rules are the rules. As a class D (10-watt) station, WHHS is considered a secondary service to higher-powered stations. In the early 80s, WHHS was ousted from its original spot on the dial, 89.3, when two other class D stations upgraded their signals. At that point, the high school had two options - it could also have upgraded WHHS to a protected class A signal somewhere on the 88-92 MHz commercial band, or it could have kept WHHS as a class D and moved it up above 92, taking the known risk that a commercial station of a higher class would someday displace it. It didn't take an engineering genius to figure out that someday the latter option could put WHHS at the risk of being squeezed off the dial; here in my (much smaller) hometown, one high school's class D station got shuffled from 90.9 to 93.3 to 94.3 to 104.7 and now faces yet another move.

      The school district took the cheaper route, and still managed to get 20 more years out of the license. (And they still might not lose it - the chief engineer for Radio One in Philadelphia, a good friend of mine, is working hard to help find them a new frequency and says he has some decent options.)

      Format has nothing to do with any of this; it's well-established FCC allocations policy, the goal of which is to provide a maximum number of broadcast signals for the largest possible population.

    2. Re:too late for a 50+ year old HS station? by johnpaul191 · · Score: 1
      my point on format being that a new commercial Radio One station is not going to bring in anything new. Shutting down WHHS, as well as the other stations, is a loss to the community.
      Radio stations formats in markets like Philadelphia are only as permanant as their ratings. that's business, and i understand. That being said i don't see them bringing anything to Philadelphia we don't have already. Losing a student station in the suburbs, a classical station in the city and whatever else this new 107.9 will kill off frankly sucks.

      the "rules are the rules" because Radio One, Clear Channel and their equals have the money and the citizens trying to offer something unique to their communities don't. Like any other government group, they cater to big business and not the citizens. There is NO WAY you can tell me that the people of Havertown will be better served by one more station playing Eminem (or whatever mainstream format they unleash) than they will by some students learning how to run a radio station. It's very nice someone at Radio One is offering to help them out, but frankly the whole thing sucks. i realize it's not your friend's fault and don't direct any of this angst at them.

      if you can't tell i hate commercial radio as much as i hate McDonalds and Microsoft.

  57. Here's the weird part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shortwave could easily reach the entire country easily, but commercial shortwave licensed in the US technically cannot target the US itself.

    I guess its another case of the FCC protecting big money interests at the expense of its citizens. Shocker.

    1. Re:Here's the weird part by Winkhorst · · Score: 1

      Is that why the VOA is so easy to get here in Maryland? Maybe they're targeting all those Arabs in DC. I guess they could be considered "foreign." After all, our dear president seems to think they're the root of all evil, even to the point of targeting their journalists in Iraq.

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      "Is this Winkhorst a nova criminal?" "No just a technical sergeant wanted for interrogation."
  58. How do the Bush haters explain this? by mellon101 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Bush is in bed with ClearChannel and big business in general. Colin Powell's son is chairman of the FCC. Yet we get news like this.

    1. Re:How do the Bush haters explain this? by Sjobeck · · Score: 1

      I see your point. It is a fair one. There is absolutely no question at all whatsoever about whether the media is liberal or conserative as proven on last weeks episode of NOW on PBS. The numbers are in. It aint even close. As for this one specific point, though, I guess the truth is the truth even for the two gentlemen you mention which are so unapologetically the pawns of corporate media.

  59. Interesting by smchris · · Score: 1

    Didn't the FCC drop a jackboot on this idea just a very few years ago? So I wonder what's up. Maybe they are now convinced that 90% of them will move the corner street preacher onto a microphone and only 10% of them will be liberal? But I can tell you Democracy Now comes to me from the community 100W station -- not the local Big 10 station. So it might open up some possibilities.

    Would that this will provide a lot of interesting dialing, but I don't know that for a fact. _Many_ years ago, I heard the inaugural weekend of a college station probably seven miles away crow flies through metro. The very next weekend the MEGA-Rock!! station fired up their million watt antenna on top of the tallest downtown skyscraper and overloaded my tuner with harmonics across all empty space on the dial. So it is sort of ironic that the FCC's concern is that 100w stations might interfere with the big boys.

  60. Parent is cut and paste troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Google for a phrase in the above - e.g. this.

  61. Clear Channel FUD... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do people still believe the crap about 'Clear Channel Taking Over the World?'

    In Houston, they are only allowed to have 8 (Count em) EIGHT stations, out of the 20 or 30 on both AM and FM...

    How in the hell is 8 stations (the talk radio ones always make a big joke out of obeying their jewish and clear channel overlords) a vast majority?

  62. Re:It will never happen by kpharmer · · Score: 1

    Is some of the NPR resistence due to fear that they'll get drowned out by far-right small radio stations?

    Could this be done?

  63. Seems a bit backwards to me. by mc6809e · · Score: 1

    If Congress adopts the FCC's recommendations, it will loosen the stranglehold that companies like ClearChannel have on the airwaves.

    This statement seems a bit backwards to me.

    It seems congress has had a stranglehold on the airwaves.

    Who is it that actually stops you from speaking, er, broadcasting over the airwaves? It isn't ClearChannel. It's government authorities.

    It's shocking to me that a country that values free speach so much can put so many restrictions on communication.

    If radio had been known of during the crafting of the bill of rights, the first amendment would have no doubt included freedom of the airwaves as well as the press.

    1. Re:Seems a bit backwards to me. by JayBlalock · · Score: 2, Insightful
      So in your scheme, the FM dial would resemble the CB bands? No regulation to keep chanels from overlapping; huge amounts of the dial pure gibberish due to conflicting signals, and ultimately, whoever can afford the biggest transmitter "wins"?

      The original reason for the creation of the FCC was the recognition that the airwaves are a limited resource. No regulations on who can use what frequences at what power would have made it a "free speech" situation analogous to attempting to be heard in a noisy room. You're free to speak, for sure, but no one's going to hear you.

      If you're trying to tear down the FCC, you're jousting at windmills. If you have issue with the WAY that the FCC handles licenses, then that's another issue - and one which it would be quite productive to lobby on.

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  64. WXPN case provided impetus for tighter control by Jayfar · · Score: 2, Informative
    As one who worked in community radio in the late 70s, I well remember the infamous WXPN case; a large section of the National Federation of Community Broadcasters legal manual discussed its implications for all broadcasters. I find some of that material, coincidentally, in the LPFM supplement to the current edition. Besides the assessed fine, renewal of the station's license remained in limbo for several years. The restoral of WXPN's license turned on the degree of control over the station's programming that was required of the University's trustees.

    --quote--
    Probably the best known such case concerning a noncommercial station involved WXPN-FM, a Philadelphia station licensed to the University of Pennsylvania. In December, 1975, WXPN-FM was fined two thousand dollars for the broadcast of obscene material in connection with a live, weekly, call-in program, "The Vegetable Report." Notice to Trustees of the University of Pennsylvania of Apparent Liability for Forfeiture, 57 F.C.C. 2d 782 (1975). During the shows in question, callers carried on sexually explicit conversations with the disc jockeys that included the words "fuck," "piss," and "titties" and discussed "beating off" and "blow jobs." During one call, a three-year old boy was asked if he could say "fuck" and the mother of the boy was told that she should let her son "screw" her so he wouldn't turn out to be a rapist.
    --end quote--

  65. advocacy by c_cinq · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.prometheusradio.org/

  66. Nice site, if you hate Opera... by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

    An AC replied to you, saying that you provided a link to an Opera browser killer. It's true - Opera/Linux i386 locked up, and I had to killall -TERM opera to get rid of it.

    Fix your site.

    1. Re:Nice site, if you hate Opera... by da3dAlus · · Score: 1

      Funny, I developed with mostly Opera (win32) as my test browser, and visit the site quite often using Opera (linux) as well. It's not like it's loaded with flash or anything, just html and css. I'll try to figure out what killing everyone's browser, but it'd be nice if someone said if it was v6 or v7 that's causing problems.

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    2. Re:Nice site, if you hate Opera... by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      7.23, haven't tried it with Win32 (on Monday, I'll have access to the 7.50p1/Win32 testbed (I don't run betas of Opera on my main box), just for kicks).

      As soon as the title appears in the tab heading (I middle click on the link), Opera locks. I don't even have flash on this system (damn you, MandrakeSoft!), so that wouldn't be the problem. Some system details:

      Pentium MMX 233 (hey, I'm cheap)
      96MB RAM
      ~650MB swap
      Mandrake 9.2 Download Edition
      KDE 3.1.whatever comes with 9.2DE
      Opera 7.23 Final.518/Linux i586
      ID String (fuck with those stat programs - IE6 on Linux, or Opera on Linux?): Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; X11; Linux i586) Opera 7.23 [en]

  67. UR Naive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "a talk show host who says stupid things argues with all of the tons of callers telling him he's wrong can still be a ratings hit"

    This is really pretty stupid. The radio stuff looks easy, but I suspect its far harder to create a show that people will listen to every day over a period of years than you think.

    I think Rush Limbo is a boob, but he's not stupid, and he doesn't get ratings by just being controversial. Nobody can say why he's successful, but its like all of show business... nobody understands why a thing is popular or a hit. It just is.

  68. broadcasting for hearing assistance by RaymondRuptime · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Perhaps this will also help out non-profit groups like churches and community theaters which use (or would like to use) LPFM to cheaply transmit their audio to Walkman-like radios to help their attendees who need hearing assistance. These typically reach no further than a block--just enough to get to the other side of a complex. They've been squeezed by regulations and restrictions designed to protect the large commercial interests.

    Our group is currently not able to purchase a replacement transmitter because of current FCC regs; we can only continue using what we have because we bought before the most recent tightening, and when the old heap finally dies our older members who need a little help will be the ones getting the short end of the stick.

    1. Re:broadcasting for hearing assistance by nerw · · Score: 1
      If all you're trying to do is to cover a building or a couple of adjacent buildings, a licensed LPFM is overkill. Under Part 15 of the FCC rules, you can use a micropower transmitter on the AM or FM dial without a license. You can buy these transmitters in kit form or fully assembled from places like Ramsey Electronics.

      If you need to cover a little more ground - say, two or three blocks in a city or half a mile in a less built-up area - part 15 AM radio can get the job done without requiring a license.

  69. Giving a shout out... by MsGeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps KBLT, one of the best damn radio stations ever to broadcast in Los Angeles, will be able to legitimize and go back on the air. KBLT was a pirate radio station, but it was much beloved by the folks in Silverlake, Echo Park, Hollywood and Downtown LA who were within range.

    At this point the only hope for good radio in Los Angeles is KXLU 88.9 out of Loyola Marymount University. KROQ sucks and has sucked for most of its lifespan, and Indie which holds the space Mars FM and Groove Radio used to take up is a Clear Channel station.

    Maybe with low-power radio licenses *finally* making it out there, we might hear a little diversity. Maybe Valley College's station KVCM might even get some people listening to it. It's been on Adelphia Cable for years now but you can't listen to cable radio in your car or on your Walkman.

    I wonder how much it costs to set up one of these low-power radio stations? I mean, KBLT wasn't exactly run by rich people...

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    1. Re:Giving a shout out... by evilviper · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I wonder how much it costs to set up one of these low-power radio stations?

      Depends on how much equipment you have in the first place, and how much manpower you are willing to put in...

      You could probably get a fairly powerful FM broadcaster and antenna for $500. The in-studio stuff is what will cost you.

      Multiple microphones... A pair (at least) of easily programmable CD jukeboxes, or perhaps a few computers instead (rip songs, make playlists)... A good sound board so you can mix all these channels of sound together. Pretty soon, you're spending several thousand dollars on equipment, unless you already have a lot of it, or can buy it cheaply from somebody that has decent used euipment.

      But more than that, you're going to be using up a good chunk of electricity 24 hours a day, and you usually have to pay at least a handful of people minimum wage to be there when (not if) the setup decides to malfuction, and probably to also provide a human voice to the station.
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  70. That's nice and all but... by mrBoB · · Score: 1

    You'll still have to have a license for any music you want to play... assuming that its artists who are covered by restrictive contracts. You'all know about the fees that clubs, bars, and other venues have to pay to the good folks at ASCAP, SESAC and BMI... There really won't be any competition for clearchan-hell. On the other hand, if you've really wanted to see what AXELF sounds like on the "airwaves," this might be just the thing for you.

  71. ewww just the 2001 salon article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    got anything newer? i cant find anything to back up the salo--THIS HAS BEEN SPONSORED BY ARBY's--n article...

  72. Alright! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now maybe I can finally have an MP3 player broadcast FM with enough power that I don't have to go in and hack (as in the case of soldering a few bits in my Neuros) it to broadcast stronger than the FCC allows.

  73. Re:It will never happen by eclectro · · Score: 1

    No, I don't think that's it. Listeners already know where to find the right on the radio dial if they find that to their taste (indeed, it's hard to miss).

    What they are afraid of is that people might find intelligent discussion/local affairs programming that is actually interesting.

    What that means is they are no longer listening to NPR. Subsequently NPR's revenue stream of pledges and ads (they have ads now, though they don't call it that) dries up.

    Same with clear channel. Clear channel hates it when they can't control the music that you hear so they can receive payola. Before you know it the big record labels hurt too but all the indie stuff is flying off the shelves. Thus they (and the RIAA) also lose control and their steam dries up.

    That's their real fear.

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  74. Argh!! It's "hear hear" not "here here"!! by joib · · Score: 1

    Why do I, as a non-native english speaker, have to correct people who supposedly speak english as their native language?

    1. Re:Argh!! It's "hear hear" not "here here"!! by Dave2+Wickham · · Score: 1

      I'd imagine that people who don't speak English as a first language tend to pick up on inaccuracies better than people who do, as when learning a foreign language one tends to be more aware of homonyms than a native speaker.

      That's my impression anyway.

  75. An argument for satellite by AvantLegion · · Score: 1
    I find it ironic that many people complain about the homoginization of radio due to companies like Clear Channel, but think that satellite is a better option. If anything, satellite is an even worse case if you want diversification in broadcasting.

    Except for the fact that something like XM contains stations with content that anything short of the major major markets simply will not ever get. There's a lot to be said for that. Here in Fresno, CA (a city the size of Portland), there are exactly 0 electronica/techno stations, 0 jazz stations, 0 classical stations (save for the scant moments when NPR isn't Bush bashing or begging for funding), 0 stations for progressive rock (old or new), 0 metal stations, 0 other random experimental/avant-garde stations, 0 international/world/"ethnic" stations (except for music from the exotic paradise of Mexico), 0 blues statiopns, and 0 true urban/rap stations (just some canned MTV processed hip-hop). If it's not modern pop/rock, country hick, top 40, "Mexican", or classic rock, then you don't get it.

    So, yeah, there is something to be said for what satellite radio has. Even if providers will be inherently limited, that doesn't have to bode poorly for the content. You don't hear much complaining about DirecTV, do you? I'd like a satellite solution that provides the kind of broad programming that clicking on Radio in iTunes gets me. Neither XM nor Sirius do that (they don't seem to "get" some of the less mainstream genres), but at least they're starting points. If either of them, or a newcomer, finally "gets" it, they'll get my money too.

  76. _oh_. is THAT what i wanted? by tortoise · · Score: 1

    So the FCC has discovered that low-power stations (10 to 100 watts, or 4 to 7 miles) *don't* interfere with large stations (aka ClearChannel).

    But then we've still got the National Association of Broadcasters quoted as saying:

    "Local radio listeners should not be subjected to the inevitable interference that would result from shoehorning more stations onto an already overcrowded radio dial."

    _oh_. Shouldn't I? Thanks for making that so CLEAR to me; where WOULD I be if I didn't hear the same music and news everywhere I went. Sounds like the real 'interference' they're worried about is not so much from the low-power waves but the alternative message(s!) they'd carry.

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  77. Rep. Billy Tauzin was the problem by Baron+of+Greymatter · · Score: 1

    He's the chairman of the House committee that oversees the FCC. He was owned and operated by the NAB and didn't deny it.

    Fortunately for the public he's retiring at the end of this term to become a lobbyist (not in broadcasting). His leaving Congress is the country's gain.

    Apparently he's taken himself out of the picture if both Congress and the FCC are all of a sudden in favor of low-power broadcasting.

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  78. California State University radio, KFSR 90.7 fm by lunachik · · Score: 1
    Here in Fresno, CA (a city the size of Portland), there are exactly 0 electronica/techno stations, 0 jazz stations, 0 classical stations (save for the scant moments when NPR isn't Bush bashing or begging for funding), 0 stations for progressive rock (old or new), 0 metal stations, 0 other random experimental/avant-garde stations, 0 international/world/"ethnic" stations (except for music from the exotic paradise of Mexico), 0 blues statiopns, and 0 true urban/rap stations (just some canned MTV processed hip-hop).
    I beg to differ. From KFSR Fresno's homepage, we see they play indie rock, hip hop, rpm, country, world, and a whole lotta jazz. When are people going to realize the diversified radio they were looking for was there all along in the college radio band of their local FM dial?
    1. Re:California State University radio, KFSR 90.7 fm by AvantLegion · · Score: 1
      Unfortunately, KFSR essentially amounts to a little of everything here and there. Yeah, you get (insert genre here) for a 3 hour block per week. KFSR's good for jazz during the mornings and overnights, but come the afternoons and evenings, it's Forrest Gump's box of chocolates - you never know what you're gonna get.

      I applaud KFSR, and continue to try and get my own show on there, but by itself, it just doesn't cut it. I love it when I catch a radio show block that's playing what I want to hear - some good stuff on there - but it's a crapshoot.

  79. this is an old battle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0