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Microsoft Mail Worms Gang War?

cuzality writes "The media is now beginning to suggest that this recent onslaught of new viruses (with new versions of major-impact viruses being found daily) the result of a virus gang turf war, kinda like the India/Pakistan virus conflict, in which official Pakistani sites were savaged by such infamous groups as Indian Snakes and Indian Hackers Club. The gangs are shooting fast and loose: variations of the big ones are being discovered daily (as of March 4, we are up to MyDoom.H, Netsky.F, and Beagle.K), and in the space of three hours on Wednesday morning, five variants of these three were first discovered. Typically these viruses (or more correctly, worms) do little damage to the infected computer, intent mostly on spreading far and wide, and sometimes inflicting DoS on some poor evil empire."

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  1. well... by Savatte · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since Microsoft is in Seattle, this could be a real West Side Story.

    1. Re:well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      get your singing voices ready... WORM:
      "I like to propagate in America!
      DoS by me in America!
      Network is down in America
      Download me in America!"

    2. Re:well... by Bjimba · · Score: 4, Funny

      When you're a 1337, you're a l33t all the way,
      From your first kiddie script, till you r00t DEA

      --
      --- question = 0xFF; // optimized Hamlet
    3. Re:well... by krzysztof · · Score: 3, Funny

      MyDoom H
      I've just got a worm named MyDoom H
      And suddenly this game
      Will never play the same for me.

      MyDoom I
      I just saw a worm named MyDoom I
      And suddenly I see
      A blue screen staring back at me!

      MyDoom J!
      I don't hear any mp3s playing
      All is dark and I better start praying

      MyDoom K,
      I just got a worm named MyDoom K...

    4. Re:well... by slaker · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dear kindly Peter Norton,
      You gotta understand
      It's just our hacker egos
      That gets us outta hand.
      Our friends are all spammers
      Our teachers teach VB
      Holy jebus that's why we are 'leet!

      --
      -- I wanna decide who lives and who dies - Crow T. Robot, MST3K
  2. How is this an "ask slashdot"? by epsalon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where's the question?

    1. Re:How is this an "ask slashdot"? by FrostedWheat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Where's the question?

      Dunno, but the answer's 42.

    2. Re:How is this an "ask slashdot"? by ktulu1115 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The question is which "some poor evil empire" is going to get hit next. I think our favorite software company in Redmond is a likely next target (can't say I have any sympathy with the recent story)

      --
      # fuser -v /dev/attention | grep work
      #
    3. Re:How is this an "ask slashdot"? by sik0fewl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A: because this is slashdot

      --
      I remember when legal used to mean lawful, now it means some kind of loophole. - Leo Kessler
    4. Re:How is this an "ask slashdot"? by Short+Circuit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It had to have the word "Microsoft" in the title.

  3. I would like to point out... by chrisopherpace · · Score: 5, Informative

    MyDoom.F does destroy word, excel, access, jpg, and other files.
    SARC
    This was a major headache for me the past few weeks. Backup tapes suck. Worms suck harder.

    1. Re:I would like to point out... by captainstupid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, the article poster mentioned that they did "little damage". I don't think destroying .sav files with 95% probability on local and remote drives constitutes little damage.

      --
      "Anyway, long story short... is a phrase whose origins are complicated and rambling...." - Abraham Simpson
    2. Re:I would like to point out... by tcd004 · · Score: 4, Funny

      My god! Look what it did to my website!

      Tcd004

    3. Re:I would like to point out... by b0r0din · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Little damage, my ass. However, I will point out, that on a positive note, I work in a network callcenter, every time one of these babies comes out our call volume spikes by as much as 30%. These virii are at least keeping the calls coming in, which is how we generate cash. So at least for us, it's job security on some scale.

      Of course it doesn't help that people we've helped in the past by emailing them fixes, solutions, and patches have us under our address books, so in turn we get all their email telling us 'Hi.'

    4. Re:I would like to point out... by clare-ents · · Score: 4, Insightful


      "Of course it doesn't help that people we've helped in the past by emailing them fixes, solutions, and patches..."

      There's nothing like convincing people to open random excutable attachments to keep your job safe.

      --
      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. (Einstein)
    5. Re:I would like to point out... by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 3, Funny

      Here's a conspiracey theory for you...

      Indian virus writers are writing virues to increase call volumes so more companies will outsource their anwering centers to India...

      More likely some punk somewhere gets a charge off the idea that they alone can cause world wide mayhem...

      --
      Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
    6. Re:I would like to point out... by itwerx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That would be even funnier if the links worked in the second page...

  4. Won't be over soon, either by Matey-O · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Plenty of letters left in the alphabet" - J. L. Picard

    --
    "Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus."
  5. It was bound to happen... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It was bound to happen, given that more and more worms are written for criminal spammers. And since spammers AND criminals are stupid, they will fight each others.

  6. Yeah, it's a gang war alright... by oldosadmin · · Score: 5, Insightful
    and the bullets are the stupidity of most windows users. No matter how much we tell people "don't open attachments unless you know the person!" they still won't listen.

    I mean, seriously, how hard is it to write malicious code if you can get the person to run any program. Heck, here's my virus:
    @echo off
    c:\windows\command\deltree /y c:\windows
    @echo You've been 0wn3d!


    This is NOT hacking... it's taking advantage of stupid people...
    --
    Jay | http://oldos.org
    1. Re:Yeah, it's a gang war alright... by TCaptain · · Score: 5, Interesting

      you're not kidding.

      At my office, we are using a non-standard email client that doesn't allow execution of code in any way and we still got nailed.

      why?

      The moron in the next cubicle (a PROGRAMMER no less) did this:

      1) viewed the email (after receiving 5 memos specifically saying to just delete it)
      2) clicked on the attachment
      3) selected save as
      4) opened up explorer, went LOOKING for the attachement
      5) executed it by doubleclicking.

      I mean seriously! his defense when confronted?
      "Well I wasn't sure...so...hum...we'll I wouldn't have done that at home!"

      I wanted to beat the crap out of him...

      --
      "I'm not a procrastinator, I'm temporally challenged"
    2. Re:Yeah, it's a gang war alright... by S.Lemmon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, many of these viruses *do* appear to come from people they know, so your advise may be contributing to the problem. Anymore they shouldn't trust any attachment they weren't specifically expecting.

      The only other thing is to never run an executable attachment, but there's so many way to obfuscate this (especially using outlook) that most normal users really can't be expected to tell what's safe from what's not.

      One simple thing average users can do is to give people they communicate with some special keyword they should always add to messages they send you with an attachment. It doesn't have to be anything special - even a company name would do. The idea is no mass-mailing worm would know to include it.

      Heck you could even use a procmail recipe to only allow attachments with the keyword in the subject - much more accurate than trying to filter out all the "bad" subject lines these viruses use.

    3. Re:Yeah, it's a gang war alright... by danlor · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh yea? I got you beat!

      We had and emplyee actually gather a croud around her desk to watch her open it. They were all very disappointed to see that our virus filters had stripped it!

    4. Re:Yeah, it's a gang war alright... by wintermute740 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      and the bullets are the stupidity of most windows users. No matter how much we tell people "don't open attachments unless you know the person!" they still won't listen.


      That's the problem. People need to not open attachments, even if they know who sent them, unless they are expecting them. Take the two recent variants of Beagle (.J and .K)... They come from @ and look official (at least to the untrained eye)... People will either, A) be doing something they shouldn't be online, and think they're busted. Or B) be shocked at being accused of doing something illicit, and attempt to open the attachment to see what in the world they've been accused of. Makes for a fun time in tech support.

    5. Re:Yeah, it's a gang war alright... by orthogonal · · Score: 2, Funny

      One simple thing average users can do is to give people they communicate with some special keyword they should always add to messages they send you with an attachment. It doesn't have to be anything special - even a company name would d

      I tried that but it didn't work for me.

      Do you think I shouldn't have chosen the word "Pwned"?

    6. Re:Yeah, it's a gang war alright... by 198348726583297634 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If one of my employees had done that, I would have let them go. Stupidity is forgivable, ignoring company directives isn't always.

    7. Re:Yeah, it's a gang war alright... by iantri · · Score: 2
      As the summary says, several new variations were discovered within hours. Virus definitions are often released once or twice a week..

      Think about it.

    8. Re:Yeah, it's a gang war alright... by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One simple thing average users can do is to give people they communicate with some special keyword they should always add to messages they send you with an attachment. It doesn't have to be anything special - even a company name would do.

      Unfortunately, the virus could always just search through your sent and received mail and search for matching lines that would be in the signature or at the top of the message, and use these.

    9. Re:Yeah, it's a gang war alright... by TwinkieStix · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's a lot of work. If you have a Linux mail server, it's a lot more simple for the end user. Just put this into /etc/procmailrc and all of your executable and zip file attachments are toast:

      :0 H
      * ^Content-Type: multipart
      { :0 B
      * .*\/name=.*\.(bat|chm|exe|com|hlp|hta|jar|js|jse|l nk|mdb|pif|scr|shb|shs|vb|vbe|vbg|vbs|wmz|wsf|wsh| zls|dbx|mht|wab|asf|zip)(")?(\ *|\t*)$
      {
      # LOG="${NL}Possible virus:${NL}Matched Expression = ${MATCH}${NL}" :0 /dev/null
      }
      }

  7. Poor evil empire by NetDanzr · · Score: 4, Funny
    "...intent mostly on spreading far and wide, and sometimes inflicting DoS on some poor evil empire."

    Actually, the evil empire isn't all that poor; it's got several billion dollard in cash. And the poor wannabe empire isn't poor either; apparently it got a $86 million cash injection, thanks to the evil empire.

    1. Re:Poor evil empire by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oracle makes more cash per dullard, but Microsoft has more dullards. Proof that volume is the answer.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  8. Warnings... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm getting some forged emails lately, badly forged at that, which look like they're coming from my ISP, "warning viruses being sent from your account", "warning immenent suspension", etc. They have a pif file atteched (which I never open) and have been coming from .lt or .gr servers (my ISP would not likely be using these.) Looks to me like another brand of worm on the rounds and there's a morbid sense of humor behind it.

    --

    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    1. Re:Warnings... by Dave2+Wickham · · Score: 5, Funny
      You mean like...
      Dear user of "Co.uk" mailing system,

      We warn you about some attacks on your e-mail account. Your computer may
      contain viruses, in order to keep your computer and e-mail account safe,
      please, follow the instructions.

      Further details can be obtained from attached file.

      Cheers,
      The Co.uk team http://www.co.uk
      ?
    2. Re:Warnings... by Hayzeus · · Score: 5, Informative

      I doubt humor is involved -- the point is to get people to open the zip and run the archived file -- which you have to go to some trouble to do, given that the zip is password protected (to get by email scanners). I've had a couple of users here contact me about these, but nobody has run them yet. Of course I only have a few users, most reasonably clueful. This would probably suck for larger outfits.

    3. Re:Warnings... by jfengel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've gotten this one to two of my domains. It's actually comparatively persuasive. I went so far as to open the zip file, though I certainly didn't run the .exe. Mine accuses me of sending spam from my mail server, which I suppose isn't entirely impossible, since I've been accused of sending spam before once or twice. (I send out announcements to a small set of people, and on occasion people who have fallen out of the group get irate when I haven't removed their names.)

      It came directly to my mail server; it hadn't been relayed. That makes sense: anybody may contact my mail server to send mail, as long as it's to me.

      But this makes a lousy worm, since most people don't own their own domains. This will 0wn only a fairly limited set of computers, compared to the bazillions of zombies you can get by fooling people who use a major ISP but don't own their own domains.

      This one doesn't even really require worm-ness. It goes out only to registered mail servers, which is small enough to connect to individually by one or two dedicated computers with broadband connections.

      I wasn't in the mood to trace down who was responsible for it,but I hope somebody does.

    4. Re:Warnings... by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'm going to write a worm that sends ppl emails that say "I am a worm. Don't open my attachment."

      It will be the fastest spreading worm in history...

      The human race never ceases to amaze and disapoint me.

      --

      My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle...

    5. Re:Warnings... by spydir31 · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's Beagle.K (or Beagle.J, it's linked from the story, though), I've only recieved one, but it's annoying as all hell to block.
      I'm now blocking all encrypted zip attachments via my trusty MailScanner
      (there's a beta version which adds this, I couldn't trust the filename rules, and wouldn't block all zip attachments)

    6. Re:Warnings... by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just went into ClamAV CVS today, a configuration option to reject encrypted ZIPs.

    7. Re:Warnings... by DonGar · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm part owner and the system admin for a 3 person company. I find it somewhat surreal to get email from 'staff@bgb.cc' when I AM the tech staff for BGB.

      --
      plus-good, double-plus-good
    8. Re:Warnings... by caluml · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I'm going to write a worm that sends ppl emails that say "I am a worm. Don't open my attachment."

      I did something like this. There was a proggie in the Win2K resource kit that slowly and gracefully shuts down all your programs, and reboots. I renamed it to do_not_run_this.exe. I sent it to the company mailing list, with a subject of VIRUS ATTACHED - DO NOT RUN. I put all over the email warnings about not running. A few minutes later, I got hassled by people: "Blah, I was working on something" "Blah, I was in the middle of a download". Unbelievable. You can see pics of the IT team that I was in here, just out of interest.

    9. Re:Warnings... by Drakonian · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Is this modded funny because of the Co.uk? What about when the script makes one that makes perfect sense, like the one I received:

      Hello user of Ucalgary.ca e-mail server,

      We warn you about some attacks on your e-mail account. Your computer may
      contain viruses, in order to keep your computer and e-mail account safe,
      please, follow the instructions.

      For more information see the attached file.

      For security reasons attached file is password protected. The password is "60456".

      Best wishes,
      The Ucalgary.ca team http://www.ucalgary.ca
      I think we (Slashdot readers in general) are being a little pompous if we think that this isn't convincing at all. I think it's the most convincing virus I've ever seen. There is only one serious grammar mistake, which is better than most Slashdot posts. The concept of seeing an attached file for details would seem reasonable to many people. Even the password protected thing makes a fair amount of sense.

      This email was made even more confusing when I received numerous other *real* emails from my mail system saying my mail had viruses in it.

      --
      Random is the New Order.
  9. Ah, the power of /. spelling! by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the article:

    Most of the comments tucked inside the latest bugs are brief, unprintable and poorly spelled. "Bagle -- you are a looser!!!" opined the author of the sixth version of Netsky.

    Hmmm, where have I seen that misspelling before? Let me think ...

    --
    The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
  10. Re:Turf? by glen604 · · Score: 5, Informative

    since some of these viruses involve opening back doors, it's a turf war in the sense of who owns more zombie computers, I guess.

  11. latest breed by A+moron · · Score: 4, Informative

    What's interesting/annoying is that the latest variants of the Bagle/Beagle virus use password protected encrtypted zip attachments which has caught quite a few mail gateways and virus companies off guard. Our mail gateway (mailscanner/f-prot/spamassassin) was unable to deal with the encrypted zip attachments and passed them on through.

    The virus companies better hurry the heck up and come up with a solution. (Looks like ClamAV and Sophos have already done so.)

    1. Re:latest breed by leifm · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah we apparently got that. Seems a bit odd to me that a worm can propagate when you have to enter a key to run it, for god's sake that's like getting a grenade in the mail with a note saying 'Pull this pin and hold'.

      --

      "Windows Me offers tremendous reliability and stability improvements..." -- Paul Thurott
    2. Re:latest breed by gregarican · · Score: 3, Funny
      My company's mail server is running Norton Antivirus Corporate Edition. Although it couldn't scan the password-protected (hence encrypted) ZIP attachments of the latest Beagle variant it did report these failures as errors and quarrantined the attachments as a result. Thank God.

      What's pitiful is how the AV service automatically updates its virus definitions daily. But at the rate these variants are coming out I am manually updating in the middle of the workday as well. I almost get misty eyed back when Microsoft-based threats were just relatively minor nuisances like Word macro viruses!

    3. Re:latest breed by RobertB-DC · · Score: 3, Informative
      Foo: ...the latest variants of the Bagle/Beagle virus use password protected encrtypted zip attachments [...] The virus companies better hurry the heck up and come up with a solution.

      Bar: Seems a bit odd to me that a worm can propagate when you have to enter a key to run it, for god's sake that's like getting a grenade in the mail with a note saying 'Pull this pin and hold'.

      What's odd is the grandparent's suggestion that the "virus companies" (I'm not touching that one!) should find a solution.

      Solution to what? Clueless users who blindly follow any official-sounding directions they receive in email?

      In defense of the clueless users, though, the latest email had halfway decent human engineering. I didn't get it, but our IT Security folks sent a warning about it. Here's the message -- note that site is our corporate web site. If you overlook the obviously broken English ("Pay attention on attached file."), you could almost convince yourself:
      From: staff@ site.com [staff@site.com]
      To: yournamehere [yournamehere@site.com]
      Sent: Tue Mar 02 17:27:52 2004
      Subject: Important notify about your e-mail account.

      ***********************
      Warning: Your file, Document.zip/jhlvbpgfu.exe, is password-protected. It was not scanned by InterScan MSS.
      ***********************

      Hello user of site.com e-mail server,

      Some of our clients complained about the spam (negative e-mail content) outgoing from your e-mail account. Probably, you have been infected by a proxy-relay trojan server. In order to keep your computer safe, follow the instructions.

      Pay attention on attached file.

      Attached file protected with the password for security reasons. Password is 50655.

      Have a good day,

      The site.com team
      http://www.site.com
      --
      Stressed? Me? Of course not. Stress is what a rubber band feels before it breaks, silly.
    4. Re:latest breed by menscher · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The virus companies better hurry the heck up and come up with a solution. (Looks like ClamAV and Sophos have already done so.)

      Have they? Last I checked, ClamAV had just given up on the password-protected zips. Or are you referring to blocking all password-protected zips, not just infected ones?

    5. Re:latest breed by MenTaLguY · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The difference is that the grenade trick would only work once.

      --

      DNA just wants to be free...
    6. Re:latest breed by Pontiac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We run SAV (Hey they changed Norton to Symantec for the new 8x system)..

      I've set the system to update every 60 minutes.
      Also Sabari is recomending setting Antigen filters to dump zip files that are less then 40k

      --
      If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur. --Red Adair
  12. The mind of a Kiddie? by Cpl+Laque · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I always wondered what motivated these people. Is it as simple as recognition? Its not like they can tell anybody it was they who did it. Really it isn't even "neat" on a technical scale. So they don't do it for a challege. They don't do for noteriety. They just do it to cause trouble.
    Seems like the internet version of the street vandalizer has come to pass. Sad really.

    1. Re:The mind of a Kiddie? by Cpl+Laque · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I understand that absolutely. Writing a virus from scratch. Creating anything leaves most people with a feeling of accomplishment. But I am not sure if I buy into kiddies doing it bragging rights because if they brag about it they will get caught esp. if there is a reward involved. But after reading your post I had a second thought that may explain why we get all these variations aftera virus is initially released. I beleive some of these Kiddies maybe trying to improve on the original virus. Fix it, make it better. Create a more Perfect Virus. This I understand. I work in a electronics repair shop and I associate a certain amount of pride with being able to fix and improve upon existing designs. So maybe there is a little more to variation virusus.

  13. Wild, wild west by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the late 1800's in the American west there was a boom in illegal activities (Billy the Kid, Butch and Sundance, etc.). The citizenry had enough and banded together (i.e., paid taxes) to fight back (i.e., hired police). Cyberspace is in the equivalent of the late 1800's in terms of working out who controls what. Now we, the citizenry, must decide if we want to hire the Pinkertons or establish a proper police force. Just remember, the Pinkertons were often as dirty-dealing as the crooks they were after, and the Sheriff was usually a former badguy with a badge.

    --
    If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
    1. Re:Wild, wild west by chrisopherpace · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't have a link, but crime rates in the "wild west" are actually lower than most cities in the U.S. It was that small feature of everyone having a gun ;)

    2. Re:Wild, wild west by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Just remember, the Pinkertons were often as dirty-dealing. . .

      You must be too new to remember the Pinkerton post-columbine "Turn in your depressed friends before they hurt someone" initiative.

      Ther're still dirty.

      --
      "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme." Mark Twain
    3. Re:Wild, wild west by jhoger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Smells like pro-gun propaganda to me.

      Off the top of my head... having a lower population density would have something to do with it too... no significant drug problems other than alcohol (and probably few 'traffic' fatalities resulting from that)

      Unemployment levels are actually a good predictor of crime rates too.

      And in small agrarian communities everyone knows your name. If you jack somebody in a small town everyone is going to have a good guess who did it, including the guy's family.

      Any number of things other than everyone is toting a six-shooter to consider...

    4. Re:Wild, wild west by timbit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, great idea... except for the fact that when the citizenry had enough and banded together, they didn't pay taxes and hired police. No sir, they got themselves banded together, went and found themselves a length of rope, and put all of them trees they had out there to good use... Now, I'm all for vigilante justice and all, but there are these city slickers runnin around now in them nice fancy black suits, and they don't take kindly to ordinary fellas like us takin the law into our own hands. Course, don't let me discourage you. No sir! I sure won't be the one to send no telegram to them fancy suit boys if ya'll string a few of them virus writers / spammers up. And rest assured, the rest of the folks here at /. are quite reasonable... Most of us, anyways...

  14. Of course these viruses are for posturing by krog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only reason anyone writes a virus these days is to do it. Even when there's an added payload (like a DDOS to www.sco.com), the virus is out there solely to be out there. The fact that it's due to rivaling gangs makes perfect sense.

    If someone were to write a truly destructive virus (you open it, it sends itself to everyone in your inbox, then promptly writes random data over your hard drive) then we'd really see people start to take viruses seriously.

    Even the most "destructive" viruses in recent history have wimped out in some way -- just consider Michelangelo, which was hard-coded to become destructive at a much later date, long after it would be discovered and patches written.

    1. Re:Of course these viruses are for posturing by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're just plain wrong.

      People are beginning to write viruses for money. Witness the latest ICQ worm that monitors and relays all HTTPS and i-banking data back to HQ. It was modular and appeared to be written by a team of programmers.

      Klez and Bagle also both seem like for-profit endeavors. Klez seemed to be a team perfecting their methods in such a way that they were sure the world's security wouldn't clamp down in response: They had a sunset written into the program. I guarantee you there are hundreds of thousands of people with Klez on their computer out there that never got cleaned up. For a long while, after every sunset they released a slightly improved product.

      Once they got it right, they stopped. Maybe they're working on new methods, another virus, or they're looking for some spammer to pay them for 100,000 free mail relays before they release again.

      But it's not just for posturing. It's organized crime. They're going to get paid.

      --

      There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
    2. Re:Of course these viruses are for posturing by jlechem · · Score: 2, Informative

      That is so true. Most of it is based from Romania and the previous USSR/Russia. Alot of banking information runs around online and while these little worms get the headlines most of the time it's for identity theft. I work for a major online auction house and we see alot of people loosing lots of money due to viruses and worms that their av software doesn't catch.

      --
      Hold up, wait a minute, let me put some pimpin in it
  15. Virus gangs by Zangief · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...kinda like the India/Pakistan virus conflict, in which official Pakistani sites were savaged by such infamous groups as Indian Snakes and Indian Hackers Club...

    Seems like virus writers also got oursourced to India!!

  16. Maybe...maybe not by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Remember the first MyDoom variant had programmer comments in them and people were speculating that it was an attack on SCO because of the DDoS that was set in motion. Later we found out more details and it seemed that the DDoS was just the misdirect designed to fool the media. It worked, and all the media stories faithfully reported the SCO angle. But the real purpose of MyDoom is to create zombie machines for spamming. That angle was mostly overlooked, but is the most important part of the story. Investigation seemed to point to Russia as an origin point, and possibly organized crime behind it all.

    With that in mind, those programmer comments being reported now, although they do seem to show a gang war, may just be more misdirection and once again the media fell for it. If it really is the spammers behind it all, and criminal elements doing it (yeah, I know, "spammers" and "criminal elements" are redundant), this gang war idea may just be more cover.

    Meanwhile there are millions of zombie Windows boxes around the world with clueless owners not realizing they are 0wn3d. That's the real story the media should be following up on.

  17. little damage by stonebeat.org · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Typically these viruses (or more correctly, worms) do little damage to the infected computer,
    maybe little damage to the computer itself, but they definitely cost a company in terms of IT support calls, and loss productivity. Even though this cost is not easy to measure, but is certainly not a small amount.

  18. Is anyone else seeing this and thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of Neal Stephenson's thing about how in the future when you go outside you'll have to breathe through a hankerchief, a la 19th-century london, because the air will be filled with millions of malicious nanobots, and millions of helpful nanobots neatly neutralizing the malicious ones, and millions of meta-malicious nanobots that only exist to disable the neutralizers... just one big no-net-effect hacker arms race.

    I wonder how long it will be and how much futher adoption of windows server operating systems we'll have to see before internet traffic starts to look like that.

  19. So move to a better neighborhood by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If being the victim of a Microsoft worm is like being caught in the crossfire of a gang war, there's a simple solution: stay out of the line of fire. If you had a choice between one house in a safe neighborhood, and another house of roughly the same price in a neighborhood where bullets from the local crack dealers were coming through your walls at three in the morning, where would you choose to live?

    --
    The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
    1. Re:So move to a better neighborhood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, pookie-kins, it's not always possible to move to a better neighborhood. Moving to a better neighborhood costs money, as does the higher rent one would pay in the aforementioned 'better neighborhood'.

      What, you think people in the ghetto *want* to live there?

  20. Re:"some poor evil empire..." by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Funny
    is getting gangbanged. sux.

    Yeah, but they've been secretly building their own Deathstar, which is hidden behind the Moon, for years now. I'm not so worried about the Evil Empire using it as when it gets 0wn3d.

    --

    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
  21. Too many patches by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Flamebait

    This commercial IT market is becoming too patch-dependent.

    Can anyone make products out-of-the-box any more? Viruses need daily patch updates. The OS need daily patch updates. This is ridiculous.

    1. Re:Too many patches by 4b696e67 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, I agree. The main problem with all the modern virus scanners is that the can't detect viruses FROM THE FUTURE. What we really need is for someone to put together a program that anticipates the form that next year's viruses will take and then automatically deletes them. Better yet, we need a program that predicts where the viruses will come from and then has the writers arrested before they even make the code. Problem solved!

      I know that was meant as a joke, but you actually are on the right track. In my opinion virus scanners shouldn't just be looking for virus "signatures", but look for "malicious code". For example look for blocks of code that would send e-mail out to everyone in your address book or put hidden keys in the registry.

      I'm not a Windows programmer, but I am sure there are specific calls to libraries that can be detected in a dangerous sequence that could flag the executable as a potential virus. Just running strings on a virus I got mailed today reveals calls to InternetOpenA, ShellExecuteA, URLDownloadToFileA, etc. A virus scanner that semi-disassemled an executable to more or less see if it would do damage would be a far better approach.

      Another approach would be for the virus scanner to actually execute the virus in a chrooted/jailed environment to see what it does.

      I'm just brainstorming here. Your comment got me thinking.

  22. Viruses? by ThisIsFred · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are these really viruses? Only two are actually mass-mailing worms that don't rely on Outlook's address book to send themselves. All of them rely on the user to open and run the malware program. Some of the MyDoom variants I'm seeing don't even make a feeble attempt at social engeering. Apparently most users are just downloading and executing attachments without even thinking. This despite all the warnings and hype surrounding e-mail containing "viruses".

    Imagine if e-mail was just plain old ASCII text with no attachment support. *sigh*

    --
    Fred

    "A fool and his freedom are soon parted"
    -RMS
    1. Re:Viruses? by Kaa · · Score: 5, Funny

      Imagine if e-mail was just plain old ASCII text with no attachment support. *sigh*

      YOU HAVE NOW RECEIVED THE UNIX VIRUS

      This virus works on the honor system:

      If you're running a variant of unix or linux, please forward this message to everyone you know and delete a bunch of your files at random.

      --

      Kaa
      Kaa's Law: In any sufficiently large group of people most are idiots.
  23. Virus Activity by Eberlin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wouldn't this much virus activity raise the chances of being caught? Pride has been the downfall of a great many "1337 d00dz" who can't seem to avoid bragging about their 5|i77z. Then again, if you did stage such acts, it does nothing for your ego unless people know you did so.

    These are not your stealth haxorz, these are the works of script kiddies. But of course everyone here already knew that.

  24. oh great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    all your computers are belong to us, no US, NO US, NONO US!!!

  25. Re:Turf? by Volmarias · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How is my computer their turf?

    If you have to ask a question like that, a better one might be "How ISN'T my computer their turf?" Here's a tip: If you suddenly find all of your ports open, you may want to consider running a virus scanner. :)

  26. Damn virii by Epyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, what are you sposed to do, when you've got thousands of users doing menial stuff all day long, and the people who have to deal with this crap arent the people who can implement change? I fix virus infected machines at the state all day, but that doesnt mean i can just call someone up and ask them to block .bat files at the server, or kill msn messenger ports. They just don't care, because they have 'bigger' concerns.

  27. Gangs have names by Jotaigna · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Pakistany/Indian conflict is well determined as clubs have names.
    Besides the "sorry but i had to" message in one of the MyDoom variants, no one has claimed authory on this "gang" attacks to evil empires. As far as we know it could be a single programmer with lots of free time and a bad temper.
    Maybe is many ppl, but they are merely common intrested in a visible evil empire rather than a gang.

    --
    "The quality of life is inversely proportional to the number of keys on your keyring."
  28. Server-side filters? by Dominic_Mazzoni · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can anyone recommend a good server-side tool to block viruses and worms? I'm using procmail now with a bunch of handwritten rules, and they work well on a bunch of older viruses, but there are so many new variations now that I can't keep up! On the client side, Bayesian filters (in Mozilla Mail and Apple Mail.app, for example) work reasonably well with spam, but they have a harder time with viruses and worms. It's also more annoying because viruses and worms are so large (30k or 100k, typically) and my local mail client has to download the entire message before filtering it out.

    Note that I don't want to just block all messages containing attachments with certain extensions. There are many legitimate reasons for someone to send me a zip file as an attachment.

    1. Re:Server-side filters? by nautical9 · · Score: 2, Informative
      ClamAV

      and/or

      AMaViS

    2. Re:Server-side filters? by steveit_is · · Score: 2, Informative

      It was a typo in my setup, oops. I should have triple checked my setup before I posted. It wasn't scanning inside zip files, hence half of them got through :) I guess ClamAV DOES rock :)

    3. Re:Server-side filters? by prandal · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'll second that, MailScanner is brilliant - but get the current beta 4.28.4 or later which can block password-protected .zips. There's top-notch support in the MailScanner FAQ and via the mailing list.

  29. Re:Insightful? by dinivin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Except that the subject isn't a grammatically correct question. Hell, it's not even a grammatically correct statement.

    Dinivin

  30. What's more likely... by Kyouryuu · · Score: 4, Interesting
    What I think is more likely is that some spam mail company is commissioning virus writers to create these worms in order to spread their operations. Sobig's objective, after all, seemed to be based on setting up infected machines as peer-to-peer drones for use by the author. It is a logical extension of the "monolithic" approach I'm certain most spammers follow of having several powerful computers running at all hours of the day, consuming electricity, bought and maintained, stashed away in a basement. Why not take advantage of a peer-to-peer system and infect the computers of careless Internet users and exploit their ignorance to become spam drones?

    That's where I think this is all ultimately headed. The spammers are in bed with the virus writers, who have taken the penis enlargement pills as commission. :P

  31. Instead of a pissing contest by spidergoat2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why don't these "hackers" use their skills to do something productive. With the time and effort they're putting into this programming, they probably could have written some utility software that would have earned them bags of money. But where's the fun in that.

    1. Re:Instead of a pissing contest by Pastis · · Score: 2, Funny

      We should apply this comment to the slashdot crowd...

  32. What good are the top 10 lists? by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    TechTV's The Screen Savers last night suggested that one of the motivations of competitive virus writers is because the anti-virus companies put out rank-order lists such as the one shown on SARC's homepage. Maybe those lists should be discontinued to at least knock down some of the motivation?

  33. Terrible coverage by media by lotus87 · · Score: 2, Insightful


    The coverage by the media on these viruses is just outright terrible. There's always the assumption that all users are affected, when in reality a number of users are completely unaffacted by these viruses (reduced internet bandwidth aside). The growing number of Linux, MacOS X, BSD, and various other unix-based flavors are largely unaffected by these attacks. Furthermore, those Windows users who keep up with patches & fixes and use firewalls are also largely unaffacted.

    This piece by MSNBC is a prime example that never once clarifies that some people may not even be affected by these viruses.

    For the "cyber" reporters out there: get a clue and portray more than one perspective.

  34. "Microsoft" mail worms? by Temporal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did Microsoft create them? No.

    Do they exploit any vulnerability that Microsoft is responsible for creating? No. (They spread by tricking users into running the attached executables.)

    I know it's fun to pretend that everything bad is Microsoft's fault (and I'm no fan of Microsoft myself), but come on... how does it make any sense to prefix something with "Microsoft" when Microsoft had absolutely nothing to do with it? What's next? "Microsoft OpenSSL vulnerability discovered"? "Microsoft recording industry sues 12-year-old kid"? "Microsoft PATRIOT act renewed"? "Hacker charged with violating the Microsoft DMCA"?

    1. Re:"Microsoft" mail worms? by happyfrogcow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And who let users run arbitrary code through email, by simply "clicking" on it? And who lets users think they are opening mundane jpg's, doc's or other file types when in fact they are not?

      Microsoft might be one name that comes to mind, if not the largest, most widespread software developer in the known universe.

    2. Re:"Microsoft" mail worms? by Temporal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      MyDoom is attached as a zip containing an executable. It does not appear as a jpg, doc, or other file type. It appears as a zip. What would you expect to happen when you click on a zip attachment? The e-mail program is probably not designed to explicitly recognize zips, so it sends it off to the OS's default handler for zip files. That handler happily allows the user to open the contents since it has no idea that the thing came from an untrusted source.

      Being able to open a document attached to an e-mail with a single click is user-friendly, and is a feature I quite like having, even in my non-Microsoft e-mail client. It makes sense to prevent users from running actual executables with a single click (and every e-mail client I've seen does so), but it is not possible for the e-mail client to keep a complete list of dangerous vs. safe file types. Zips in particular are used legitimately in e-mails far more often than not, so why should you expect your e-mail client to stop you from opening one?

      The real problem here is the trusted-executable paradigm on which all major operating systems are based. All variants of Unix (which, in my book, includes Windows) assume that you trust any executable you run. In other words, they assume that you know exactly what you are doing. Obviously, users don't always know what they are doing, and the OS should be there to watch and double-check with the user when anything suspicious happens. The OS should ask the user if they really want to allow this program to access the internet (spreading itself). It should ask if they really want to install that backdoor and let it run on startup. It should explain what each question means so that the user can make an informed decision.

      If OS's did these things, not only would viruses no longer spread, but things like spyware and adware installed by programs like RealPlayer would no longer function. In fact, because it would be so obvious when a program contained spyware, companies would probably be less inclined to try to include it in the first place.

      So why does no OS do this? Probably because it would take some work to implement. Who wants to be the first?

    3. Re:"Microsoft" mail worms? by girl_geek_antinomy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm a Vet Med student. In what we call the *Real World*, we have viruses too.

      We have human viruses, and canine viruses ( like Canine Distemper Virus - CVD), and porcine viruses (like Porcine Parvo Virus PPV). You name viruses for what they infect first, and for what they are and what they do second.

      These 'viruses' and 'worms' all infect Windows. Not MacOS, not Linux, not BSD. Not Soliaris, or RISK OS, or any of the other OSes that have been or are in use.

      Funny, that.

  35. People Love Drama by ch-chuck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If evil didn't exist, humans would have to invent it. Face it, computers are boring, but "Rival Hacker Gangs Virus Turf War" is the lifeblood of pop media newstertainment.

    Here are some more down to earth email worms.

    --
    try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
  36. suing Microsoft by segment · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's surpring no consortium (like an ISP group) has come together and filed a lawsuit against MS for having to mop up their work. It's definitely costing to pass the traffic, having to explain 12! times a day to customers that we didn't send them a moronically written "Your account is suspend for virus activity" (yes I know it's a typo). MS should definitely be dishing out some money for this. After the first 100 or so viruses from the years 2000-2002 you would figure they would get their act together, but it's the same old story. And for the users (non geek users) of MS, the grandmothers, housewives, and non techies, you would figure they would wise up to the same shit different day. Instead they still open attachments, and rather altogether, still use the same chopperating system they often have to reinstall after having been infected 12! per year.

    Seriously mind boggling. As for the virus creators they too need to be punished for their actions, and severely at that. I'm skeptical about the entire 'cybercrime' terrorist approach the DOJ and others have taken on this, but this is definitely something that's getting out of hand. And if you too also work in an ISP, you would know the guys of headaches one deals with on these virus issues. Hopefully our 3rd party antispam/virus filter mail provider gets their act together. Think about the costs for a mid sized ISP on something like technical support alone. 1000 calls a day to explain why someone should not open those emails multiplied by the salaries. Wasted money.

    1. Re:suing Microsoft by rsmith-mac · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seriously guys, who moderated this up? The latest round of worms take advantage of exactly 0 security exploits in Windows or assorted applications; they're all social engineering. Even if Microsoft is loaded with cash, you can't seriously expect them to pay out for what is fundamentally a problem with the users. Your second idea(go after the users) makes sense, but you can't sue someone just because their users are morons, it makes no sense.

  37. Little damage? by dillon_rinker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    MyDoom installs a back door on every machine it is run in. If that constitutes "little damage" then I guess we should all set our root password to "root" .

    1. Re:Little damage? by RickoniX · · Score: 3, Funny

      Great, tell everyone my password why don't you

      --
      Geekleak.com - Silly name, serious geeks
  38. No more attachments. by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It's time to just block all E-mail attachments. If you want to send a file, do it some other way, like uploading it to a server for explicit download.

    Allow PDF, GIF, and JPEG at the firewall and in the mail client. That's it.

    Microsoft needs to turn off the "feature" that clicking on a mail attachment runs it. It should just be "viewed", with a dumb viewer. It should be impossible to launch programs from mail attachments. Users should have to explictly save to a file and run to do that.

    1. Re:No more attachments. by happyfrogcow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's a great idea, but where is this server space going to come from for little jimmie or his parents sending grandma a picture? On his computer? But if he has cable modem service, chances are it is against the Terms of Use to set up a server on his computer. Maybe that cable service has some small amount of web hosting space that comes along with it, in which case OK. But who is going to train all the computer illiterates how to use FTP or something similar? Then what happens in the future is to make it all simpler, someone goes ahead and just embeds this file attachment transfer system into an email client, making it seamless and feel just like before when we had email attachments. Aren't we basically back to square one? Who is going to stop the people from mindlessly saving and running the file this time?

    2. Re:No more attachments. by O0o0Oblubb!O0o0O · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nope, does not work. If you followed the news lately, you would have read that the first vulnerability and the corresponding proof-of-concept exploit after the MS win2k source leak involved a buffer overflow caused by a hex-edited image file. As Outlook will probably use IE for viewing, you are still vulnerable to attack. The Acrobat reader has also had a series of vulnerabilities.

      That's just the risk of attachments. The only way to be quite safe is not to open _or_ view any attachment that is sent to you by someone you do not know (and if course disable things like a preview pane).

    3. Re:No more attachments. by taustin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's time to just block all E-mail attachments. If you want to send a file, do it some other way, like uploading it to a server for explicit download.

      Then the virus will just send out an email saying "download this for free porn" and link to it. It's been done already.

      As for limiting file types, good luck. Your plan would not allow web pages, for instance, and you'd kill every online game in existence.

    4. Re:No more attachments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Allow PDF, GIF, and JPEG at the firewall and in the mail client. That's it.

      From the PDF 1.5 Reference Manual

      8.5 Actions
      Instead of simply jumping to a destination in the document, an annotation or outline item can specify an action (PDF 1.1) for the viewer application to perform, such as launching an application, playing a sound, or changing an annotation's appearance state... In addition, the optional OpenAction entry in a document's catalog (Section 3.6.1, "Document Catalog") may specify an action to be performed when the document is opened.

      Looks like PDF has the potential to cause some damage too.

  39. Evil empire? by Facetious · · Score: 3, Funny

    "...and sometimes inflicting DoS on some poor evil empire." Or in the case of sco.com, an evil feifdom.

    --
    Let us not become the evil that we deplore.
  40. preying on the ignorant by subjectstorm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    here in my office (government), we had very little trouble with mydoom or any of its variants - but netsky.d, for whatever reason, was slipping through. this was on march 2, so for a few hours, we had a lot of people calling the helpdesk and complaining about the "weird beepy noises" coming from their computers.

    the exchange server is configured to catch most of this crap, delete the attachments, etc. - but if ANY of it gets through to a user, the attachment WILL get opened.

    the hell of it is, our security advisor sends out DAILY network alerts, telling people EXPLICITLY what to look for, what NOT to do under any circumstances, right down to the various subject lines and attachment names that these worms will manifest with. she couldn't be any clearer in her instructions if she walked into their individual offices and handed them a stone tablet, engraved by the hand of God himself and saying "Thou shalt not clicketh upon this thing."

    the typical excuses we hear are something along the lines of "b-but . . . it came from a guy i know? he wouldn't send me a virus?"

    sigh.

    --
    ** Chigusaaa!!! You're the coolest girl in the WORLD!!! **
  41. It's real simple people... by ashitaka · · Score: 2, Informative

    Put in a mail filter. Dop all .PIF, .EXE, .COM, etc., etc., including (nad this is the clever bit) all .ZIPs.

    Either route to holding folder or just drop as we do. The number of legitimate .ZIPs we receive is so low that telling the sender to rename the attachment is feasible. They are also getting hammered by Bagle et al. so they understand.

    Other than users who still forward us the defanged emails even after being repeatedly told not to do so, we have had no impact to the firm whatsoever.

    --
    If you don't want to repeat the past, stop living in it.
  42. Pretty good social engineering this time by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 10:03:48 -0800
    From: support@xxx.edu
    To: me@cc.xxx.edu
    Subject: Warning about your e-mail account.
    Parts/Attachments:
    1 Shown 10 lines Text
    2 12 KB Application

    Dear user of "xxx.edu" mailing system,

    We warn you about some attacks on your e-mail account. Your computer may
    contain viruses, in order to keep your computer and e-mail account safe,
    please, follow the instructions.

    For more information see the attached file.

    Cheers,
    The xxx.edu team http://www.xxx.edu

    [ Part 2, Application/OCTET-STREAM (Name: "Information.pif") 16KB. ]
    [ Cannot display this part. Press "V" then "S" to save in a file. ]

    ------
    Pretty *good* social engineering, if you ask me. The other earlier worms did not send customized messages according to the domain. I had to stop a couple of family/friends from giving in and opening the attachment.

    --
    An Indian-American Hindu committed to non-violent thought/speech/action alarmed by the global explosion of radical Islam
    1. Re:Pretty good social engineering this time by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It might have been more effective had the authors observed standard grammatical principles. After all, they are pretending to represent a institution of higher learning.

  43. Huh? by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The first part of the question is understood, at least by those who understand such things: "[Is this a] Microsoft mailworms gang war?"

    --
    Hic iacet Arthurus, rex quondam rexque futurus.
  44. Re:There is only one solution to the virus problem by dknight · · Score: 2, Insightful

    wow, so you've just made it so noone can ever send any kind of executable attachment ever again, legitimate or not. yea, that'll make EVERYONE real happy.

    Personally, I send myself zip files with executables in them all the time, on purpose, for work-related stuff. Why should I not be able to do that?

  45. Re:Is the probelm really hard to fix? by NinjaPablo · · Score: 3, Insightful
    You're referring to the "This file may contain malicious code. You should only open it if you are certain it is from a trusted source." message? The one that pops up when downloading a file/attachment in IE, Outlook, and Outlook Express? The one that all the users just click "OK" on anyways? Yeah...didn't work.

    Users click "OK/Yes" on messages just like they click "I Agree" on license agreements. Either that, or the from address is spoofed and they think it's safe to open it.

    --
    SmashTech - No smashing of tech involved
  46. Re:Is the probelm really hard to fix? by DR+SoB · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think I'd crap on M$ for putting that in as a default.

    Here's a better solution: 99% of the population knows you have to change your oil, because they are (somewhat) educated in that regard. Why not just educate people?? There's nothing GM can do to make you change your oil c'ept show you what happens if you don't!

    Your solution sounds like the default Outlook XP fix: Block any executable attachments. What kind of garbage solution is that? It's called a "Let's break it so they can't use it" fix.

    --
    Mod +5 Drunk
  47. Aren't many people having trouble finding IT jobs? by enosys · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Aren't many people having trouble finding IT jobs? There was the dot-com crash and then outsourcing...

  48. Re:Is the probelm really hard to fix? by liquidsin · · Score: 3, Informative

    How many people do you know that actually read EULAs, or javascript popups? Everyone that I know seems to look for the escape (clicking "I Agree" on EULAs or "OK" on anything their browser pops up). Hell, these attachments need to actually be executed. The user is already going to the trouble of right-clicking the attachment and either saving it, finding it, and running it, or just running it right from OE. One more popup would only slow them down by half a second.

    --
    do not read this line twice.
  49. Good bit of social engineering by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is only a Microsoft worm/virus/trojan in the sense that it runs a Windows exe. This is NOT a failing with Outlook or Outlook Express. This code can be run from ANY client that allows attachments

    [paraphrased email text below]
    "Hi, I'm the admin from [YourEmailServer]. We've been getting complaints about your account, and we think you have a virus. Please open the attachment, and run the file. Password is 12345
    Cheers, [YourEmailServer]

    Haven't we been asking the ISP's to get on top of the virus problem? Well...here comes an email, supposedly doing just that!

    "We think you have a problem, and here's how to fix it"

    This exact same thing could have been targeted to the OSX environment, or a *nix script.
    "Hi, due to the traffic we've noticed, we think your Mac/Linux box has been compromised. Please run this script to identify and fix the problem."

    Now...most *nix users are a bit more clueful and suspicious. But, more than a few would be caught out.

    (and if you, the writer(s) of these things are out there reading this...this is NOT a compliment. You are not cute, nor are you inventive. You are merely a fool. And one that will be caught. Hopefully for you, by the authorities. They will be much easier on you than we will be...we won't be using vaseline)

  50. Re:Insightful? by rsidd · · Score: 3, Funny

    Although this sentence is not a question, it ends in a question mark?

  51. Can I ask you a question? by Cumstien · · Score: 5, Funny

    A question, what is it?

    It's an interrogative statement used to test knowledge, but that's not important right now.

  52. Offshoring stoppage? by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe this virus war will tie up all the developers in India and Pakistan who would otherwise take our jobs.

  53. Or alternately by stewby18 · · Score: 2, Informative

    A better interpretation might be: "[Are the] Microsoft mailworms [part of a] gang war?". At which point the title goes way beyond the shortening that is generally acceptable for titles.

  54. ...little damage... by blunte · · Score: 4, Informative
    Typically these viruses (or more correctly, worms) do little damage to the infected computer


    Yeah most are not too damaging, but here's my story.

    Symantec's corporate antivirus software only allows for once daily automatic downloading of new virus signatures.

    - Last week our AV server downloaded updates at 8am as usual.
    - At 11am Symantec released new signature for MyDoom.F.
    - At 1pm stupid_corporate_user_04 opens and unleashes MyDoom.F on the network. MyDoom.F blows away all MS Office and image files on stupid_corporate_user_04's machine, then begins the same task on all network shares this person had access to.
    - At 8pm automatic backups kick off
    - At 11pm backups complete, having successfully backed up ruined shares.
    - At 8am the next morning, AV server picks up signature for MyDoom.F. At same time, users begin to notice their files are gone. Alarms go off everywhere.
    - At 11pm that second day, all corrupted/trashed files have been removed, all viruses eradicated, all data restored from 2 day old backups.

    Summary: 1.5 to 2 days of work time lost by 60 employees, plus 12 hours @110$/hr for support consultant to help clean up the mess.

    Needless to say, I wouldn't categorize the virii as doing little damage, whether they actually delete local files or not. Even had we not lost files, we still would have had a big cleanup job, and it still would have impacted our users.

    Here's a big Fuck You to the person who wrote that variant, and to all the other virus writers out there.
    --
    .sigs are for post^Hers.
    1. Re:...little damage... by ElderKorean · · Score: 2, Informative

      Had same problem with Symantec AV, and had a very similar story to you :-(

      Found over 5800 copies of the virus the next day when the signatures were updated. And the little sod had deleted over 8Gb of ducuments, spreadsheets and databases. We had an Access database that had been in use all day, so was ok, but come 5pm and people exited it and go home. One staffer remembers they had still to finish something, and attempts to get back in - nothing left. This was about 3 minutes after last person exited.

      But wait there's more.

      The very next day (after finding the virus everywhere, and starting to recover through backups), I sent an e-mail out about what had happaned and what people should not do.

      I created a new e-mail address (unlike any that we use) and used it to send an exe file to everyone. We put the file within a zip file just like the fun virus that we were still recovering from. The included file was a small program that would e-mail us if it was run, with the name of the user who did it - only thing done on the users computer was bring up a dialog box saying software updated.

      This was the text of the e-mail
      --
      Hi,

      I am a qasi e-mail program automatically sending you a freeware virus.
      Please open the attached zipped file and double click on the attachment
      to receive the virus update.

      Have a nice day,
      --

      go on - guess.

      We had a staff member open the message, open the zip, and run the executable...

      This was after me sending a message reminding that people should not do any of this!!!!

      Thankfully I had many staff that actually e-mailed me a copy that they had received the message, or even called me to let me know.

      We'll have another go early next month. I'll try the zip with password trick. Fortunatly because we wrote it in-house there's no way it'll trigger the virus software.

  55. Re:Is the probelm really hard to fix? by pclminion · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Why, oh why, oh why, would ANYONE, EVER, run any unverifiable code on his computer?

    Considering the number of people I've encountered who don't even know what a "program" is (all they know are that there are a set of different boxes on their screen, each of which does something different), how can you expect them to understand what executable code is, or how it gets run, or why it shouldn't be run?

    You've seen polarized power plugs, right? The ones with one blade slightly wider than the other. This is to prevent people with no knowledge of electricity from inserting the plug into the receptacle in a way that will blow up their equipment.

    Microsoft software is like having unpolarized plugs. To someone who knows what they are doing, this is not a problem, but for the average user, the useless ability to plug it in backwards has no beneficial properties whatsoever.

    There should be no way to run an executable from a mail client. Not even a dialog that asks "Are you sure you want to run this?" People avoid thinking by simply clicking "Yes" to any question they are asked. It needs to be forbidden to execute an attachment. If you really, really must, then you can save it to a folder somewhere, then run it from there.

    Microsoft's practices of allowing users to perform any bone-headed, ill-advised actions they wish, should rank right up there with the irresponsibility of not supplying polarized plugs for electrical equipment. In fact, this situation is even more serious, since an incorrectly inserted power plug only has the potential to destroy the machine and/or the user, whereas a virus infection in a corporate network can potentially impact thousands of people.

  56. Now the virii are fighting each other by dtjohnson · · Score: 2, Funny

    Apparently, they didn't find Microsoft enough of a challenge.

  57. Re:Insightful? by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2, Funny

    Obligatory Futurama quotation:

    Fry: I'm good at video games and bad at everything else. That's why I wish life were more like a video game.

    Farnsworth: Can you put that in the form of a question?

    Fry: Uh, what if that thing I said?

    --
    -- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
  58. A simple solution by pclminion · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Here's a simple solution for corporations, to try to stem the tide of idiots who double-click on attachments. Distribute a company-wide memo stating something along the lines of the following:

    "A new company policy is hereby enacted: It is forbidden for any user on the corporate network to execute any binary email attachment of any kind, including any attachment from anyone within the network. We will occassionally enforce this measure by sending dummy attachments to all corporate users which will report your workstation to network operations should you click on the attachment. Doing so will be grounds for immediate dismissal. We reserve the right to be sneaky, so your best policy for keeping your job secure is to simply never click on an attachment. Thanks, and have a nice week."

  59. Microsoft... by Progman3K · · Score: 2

    Enabling terrorists...

    Who do you want to DOS today?

    When will Microsoft be held responsible for aiding terrorists?

    It's not Linux that is the tool of terrorists, it's Windows.

    --
    I don't know the meaning of the word 'don't' - J
  60. Clueless end user test? by JargonScott · · Score: 2

    Is there such a beast as a "clueless end user test" type executable that I can email to my coworkers, and if they execute it an email is sent back to me as "evidence"?

    I think this would be a fairly blunt social engineering test for a company to put it's employees through. Especially since we have to send out quarterly training about it. I want to know if it sinks in at all.

    --
    Nuke Gay Whales for Jesus.
  61. College Campuses by mdarksbane · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I go to Ohio State University, and for the past week I and most people I have know have been receiving these message from

    staff@osu.edu.

    That's over 30,000 users, right there, on broadband. Multiply that by every campus in the world... I was honestly even curious about it, until I saw the attachment file. Their biggest weakness in it, actually, was that it sent several copies, each with a different user@osu.edu. That made it more suspicious.

  62. Re:Insightful? by Tango42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No. He meant redundant. A redundant question is one that doesn't need to be asked, a rhetorical question is one that doesn't need to be answered. Big difference.

  63. I wonder... by burbilog · · Score: 2

    why executables still allowed in e-mail after all YEARS of worm history? There are only a few legitimate reasons for them and everything could be done in other way. And it's obviously that education users and even presenting them a warning doesn't work.

    Why nobody ever came up with default mail server configuration which prohibits any executable content? And not only .exe and .scr, but all a.out, elf and company too.

    So far nobody. You have to patch qmail and add qmail-scanner if you want to do this. Is there a checkbox in microsoft exchange? An option in sendmail.cf?

    Fuck.

  64. Re:MS Address Book lock down? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Informative

    err...Outlook2003 and Exchange2000 do exactly that. If a program tries to access the Address Book, it pops up an approval dialogbox. You can't click yes for 5 seconds.

    But since these worms also searches in a wide range of other filetypes (.txt,.doc,.html,etc etc) for valid email addresses to send to, it makes little difference.

  65. a modest proposal by fred+fleenblat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Simple three point plan for eliminating e-mail viruses:

    1. Microsoft should immediately patch exchange and outlook so that no attachments that include executable files can be transmitted. You get word files, pdfs, plain text, jpegs and similar "passive" file formats. any scripting gets filtered out of html or spreadsheets. An archive (tar, zip, etc) doesn't get transmitted if it contains bad stuff or is not readable. And you can't override this by just clicking "yes" or "okay" upon receipt of a message.

    2. viruses propagate similar to spam. ms exchange or other MTAs should make note of 50000+ very similar messages being tossed about and immediately blacklist compromised machines, then go into mail accounts and yank out virus messages that haven't been downloaded yet. Messages with attachments should be subject to a short extra wait time (5 min) to slow propagation and give the system time to react.

    3. email attachments, even non-executable ones, should be opened in a restricted environment, e.g. chroot jail, java sandbox, or a refreshable vmware image. if the virus goes nuts, just delete the environment and kill its processes. don't allow outbound connections from the sandbox. In the long run, web pages and downloaded files should be treated similarly.

    Yes, virus writers will find workarounds and attack new security holes. But microsoft has an obligation to fix existing security holes and at least make the virus writers look for new ones.

    Yes, some people will be annoyed that their excel macros get lost. But it is time to start setting up a social environment where email is about sending a message that you type in yourself to communicate, not just a file sharing system for forwarding zip files.

    1. Re:a modest proposal by headblur · · Score: 2, Interesting

      it's the job of the mail server admin to set security (and virusscan) settings appropriate for his users. and it's the job of the everyday user not to be an idiot by opening unexpected attachments. the REAL problem with machine suceptibility to viruses lies with the *user*, not the software.

  66. f%^ken annoying by c00kiemonster · · Score: 2, Informative

    Now this may sound a little over aggressive , but I am a poor sys admin who is getting bombarded with blocked messages every 20 secs or so. Personaly if i ever meet a virus writter, if its this shit or some other virus they have written their head is going to end up in a glass jar in my fridge Be Warned

  67. Re:...unless you know the person! by clarkcox3 · · Score: 2, Informative
    or the safest of all "Don't open attachments in Outlook, period!"
    That's not quite as safe as: "Don't use Outlook, period!"
    --
    There are no tiger attacks in my area and it's all because this rock I'm holding keeps the tigers away.
  68. Re: bullets; the stupidity of users? by King_TJ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The most powerful way to bypass security has always been "social engineering" - so why would you think it'll be different for virii?

    If people actually do wisen up and stop opening email attachments they're unsure about, the virus writers will just come up with more creative ways to convince you to run the code. Write a small applet that lets them play a contest game to win money - only, nobody is really going to win anything, and it drops a trojan horse on the PC. Send mail that looks like a legitimate attached form from the ISP, requesting some sort of info your ISP might actually need. (Heck, one popular method seems to currently be bundling "malware" with legitimate freeware apps people want to download and use - like p2p music sharing packages, pop-up blockers, and time synchronizing clients.) Who knows? This problem isn't going to go away just by trying to "educate it away", telling people not to read the stuff they get in their email.

    Personally, I think virus scanners are generally a bit "behind the times" in this war. EG. How many scanners have you seen that allow starting up without having to boot the actual OS that's being used, so they can remove a virus without it getting a chance to execute in RAM first? Of these, how many can scan an NTFS file system when started up in that manner? (To my knowledge, only the expensive "Avast BART" product currently offers all of this.) Modern trojan horses and virii are often shutting down the virus scanner processes so scanners can't remove them. They even do such things as prevent "regedit" from running, so you can't just prune them from the registry and reboot. (Of course, so far, many are coded poorly enough so you can just rename regedit to something else and then run it -- but that's bound to change.)

  69. Just a few files by Alan+Cox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One of the problems with the destruction of files is that it implies this virus author isn't interested in commercial games (as such people want their virus well hidden). Thats worry because they are then not trying to hide within a system (like a well evolved natural virus) but can be quite happy to kill the host.. and all it takes is a bios erase or randomly setting the IDE disk password on all modern IDE hard disks and its factory return time.

  70. Re:Aye by jakupovic · · Score: 2, Informative

    The problem is that most AVs do not check password protected zipped attachments, because they can't look inside them they are let through. This is supposed to let people send encrypted stuff through your mail gateway and it will not be deleted. Needless to say this default didn't work for us and we had to change it so that it qurantines suspicous attachemnts.

    --
    You always point your finger at the bad guy, but what if the bad guy points his finger at you?