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NASA Finds Critical Assembly Fault in Shuttle

mzs writes "During corrosion inspection on Discovery, technicians noticed that one of the gears in a rudder actuator had been installed backwards. This particular actuator was the top-most of four that control the air brakes on the tail. As luck turns out, if it had been the bottom-most actuator, loss of the shuttle and crew would have been nearly inevitable. Plans are in place to have four spares by the time Shuttle missions resume next year."

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  1. Simple solution, really. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Could they not stamp "THIS SIDE UP" or whatever on the components?

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    1. Re:Simple solution, really. by Lattitude · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even better, they are going to machine them so they mechanically impossible to put in backwards.

    2. Re:Simple solution, really. by fbform · · Score: 5, Funny


      Could they not stamp "THIS SIDE UP" or whatever on the components?

      They did something similar with the modified 747 that carries the shuttle orbiter back after landing. See this picture. This is supposed to be a sign on top of the 747, where the orbiter links to the top of the 747's fuselage. It reads "Place Orbiter Here...Black Side Down".

      If this is real, they have one hell of a sense of humor.

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    3. Re:Simple solution, really. by NeoThermic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or, do what they do now for computer compoments:

      Colour code the connections.

      From the article:
      'The gear fits into the assembly both ways, but is slightly asymmetric so the teeth do not fit exactly if the gear is reversed.'

      So why not have the side its supposed to go in green, and the side where its not supposed to go in red?
      Simple visual solution that can be spotted quicker?

      NeoThermic

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    4. Re:Simple solution, really. by Kenja · · Score: 5, Funny
      "Could they not stamp "THIS SIDE UP" or whatever on the components?"

      There is no "up" in space....

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    5. Re:Simple solution, really. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Impossible? Nah, they'll just need a bigger hammer.

    6. Re:Simple solution, really. by RealityMogul · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I think applying paint to such parts is not desirable.

    7. Re:Simple solution, really. by Imperator · · Score: 4, Funny

      And I bet someone will manage to force it in backwards, breaking three other parts in the process.

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    8. Re:Simple solution, really. by s20451 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is the original definition of Murphy's Law: If it is possible to do something in more than one way, and one of those ways leads to catastrophe, someone will inevitably do it the wrong way.

      In fact the original inspiration for Murphy's Law was a G-force meter that was installed backwards, thereby taking meaningless readings. (It probably didn't go below zero.)

      Another example is the 1969 gearbox fire on the Canadian navy ship, HMCS Kootenay. A gearbox bearing was installed backwards, which restricted its flow of lubrication oil (on a naval vessel, the gearbox is the size of a car and absorbs tremendous loads). Apparently it did say which way to install it, but the installation was made in a foreign shipyard where the workers could not read English. The poorly lubricated bearing overheated and caused an explosion during a full-power trial; nine sailors were killed and dozens injured.

      The moral of all these stories is: if it's important which way something is installed, make it asymmetric so that it's physically impossible to install it the wrong way. Labels are not enough.

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    9. Re:Simple solution, really. by Ummagumma · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Dunno about the mortars, but current claymore mines are stamped as such. On the front curved side, its imprinted:

      FRONT TOWARDS ENEMY.

      Here is a pic

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    10. Re:Simple solution, really. by chadjg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In some cases stamping lettering into a stressed rotating part can lead to sudden failure. Stamping can put odd stresses into the part, and makes a slightly weaker space in the part.

      I believe that the NTSB found a stamping on a rail car wheel caused a failure and derailment, but i'll be danged if I can find the incident. Maybe tonight...

      Moisture could collect in the little crevices of the letters leading to corrosion. i suspect that this is not really a concern.

      Silk screening or some creative powdercoating could totally avoid these issues. But what do I know. I managed to smoke my e-machine 500 last night. Nobody would hire me to be a shuttle engineer!

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    11. Re:Simple solution, really. by kannibal_klown · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then you get the inevitable problem of fading... Is this orange, or red. Is this blue, or purple. And don't assume that any organization (government or commercial) wouldn't put 2 similar colors on the same part / connector. Either be accident or incompetence, it would happen.

    12. Re:Simple solution, really. by Stitch_626 · · Score: 5, Funny

      They could stamp "If you can read this, turn gear around and install correctly" on one side and "There you go Einstein...you finally got it right" on the other.

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    13. Re:Simple solution, really. by Phurd+Phlegm · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I think applying paint to such parts is not desirable.

      I'm not a mechanical engineer either, but I know that metal parts are usually painted to prevent corrosion. In fact, that's why these were removed--to check for corrosion. I guess it's lucky they didn't paint them or they might never have noticed it was in backwards....

    14. Re:Simple solution, really. by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 3, Funny

      dang... where's the "-1 Choad" modifier when you really need it?

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    15. Re:Simple solution, really. by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 2, Funny
      Reminds me of the black humour on a concrete lid on a nuclear ICBM tube. Allegedly it's painted like a pizza box- with the words:

      'Guaranteed delivery anywhere in world in 30 minutes'

      '- or the next one's free'

      :-)

      I also liked the story on slashdot a few years ago about a decommisioned secret RSA listening station with a huge smiley face painted on the parabolic radio receiver dish saying 'hi' to the russians...

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    16. Re:Simple solution, really. by bjohnson · · Score: 4, Funny

      Damn straight!

      Quick...it's total darkness, the bad guys are on your trail and you have 15 seconds to place and rig the claymore, or you're all gonna get captured or killed.

      Yes you want it to be as completely foolproof as possible.

    17. Re:Simple solution, really. by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ah, but this has been tried elsewhere. Look up the design history of the swing-wing pivots on the B-1 bomber. The pivots are two large hollow metal cylinders, slightly asymmetrical. One side is clearly marked "THIS SIDE UP."

      However, the manufacturer stamped the wrong side of the pivot, and it was dutifully installed upside-down. Murphy wins again no matter what you do.

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    18. Re:Simple solution, really. by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's no accident that your PC's AC power connection doesn't look anything like the ethernet connection.

      Mine doe!@*&934128()#*!)@((~!

    19. Re:Simple solution, really. by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Funny
      Reminds me of the black humour on a concrete lid on a nuclear ICBM tube. Allegedly it's painted like a pizza box- with the words:
      'Guaranteed delivery anywhere in world in 30 minutes'

      '- or the next one's free'

      On my SSBN we had two signs over the firing console. The first said "Trident - When you care enough to send the very best", the other said "16 empty missile tubes, 16 mushroom clouds, It's Miller Time". Yes, strategic weaponeers have a black sense of humor.
  2. How can a fault go unnoticed for so long? by amigoro · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Discovery flew safely 30 times with the defective actuator since its first launch August 30, 1984, and no one suspected a problem until the actuator was taken apart to check for corrosion.

    I thought they even checked Airplanes more thoroughly

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    1. Re:How can a fault go unnoticed for so long? by lofoforabr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They probably do check airplanes more thoroughly because airplanes are used much more frequently than space shuttles. No?

    2. Re:How can a fault go unnoticed for so long? by xtermz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Speaking purely on a political level here, a shuttle disentegrating (sp?) over east texas does a lot more harm to the collective conscience of the nation than if a commuter jet goes down in the florida keys. Given that in mind, you would actually think NASA had the highest QA process in the world....but as we've seen...its horribly flawed.

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    3. Re:How can a fault go unnoticed for so long? by tmortn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      used 30 times to fly into space over 20 years without a problem ? Are they sure its deffective ?

      Yeah I know I know... but damn people you have to draw the line somewhere. I wish all things worked that well impropperly installed.

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    4. Re:How can a fault go unnoticed for so long? by Alkaiser · · Score: 3, Funny

      The reason this went unnoticed for so long is simple...those guys at NASA...you know, they're not exactly rocket scientists...

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    5. Re:How can a fault go unnoticed for so long? by FatAlb3rt · · Score: 3, Funny

      but as we've seen...its horribly flawed.

      Careful, jerking your knee so suddenly like that might result in an injury.

    6. Re:How can a fault go unnoticed for so long? by Xaleth+Nuada · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A commuter jet is run by a business. With a poor maintenance routine and constant delays/crashes word will get out quickly and the business will fail.

      NASA is not a business. Its a government run program that sways with political management.

      The moral of teh story is...Money walks. Dead astronauts talk.

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    7. Re:How can a fault go unnoticed for so long? by Ryan+C. · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They found the problem before anything went wrong while checking for defects. I don't know what your definition of QA is, but that's pretty much the accepted definition.

      As for horribly flawed: Compared to whom? Spaceflight is dangerous. Minor oversights that in most industries would cause a misprint in a news article tend to blow up and kill people.

      Basically, until you land something off-planet, you have no room to talk. If you want to point to someone who is doing a better job of it, you pretty much have the Russians for comparison, and they have had even more problems.

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    8. Re:How can a fault go unnoticed for so long? by hawkfish · · Score: 3, Informative
      A commuter jet is run by a business. With a poor maintenance routine and constant delays/crashes word will get out quickly and the business will fail.
      You mean like Alaska Airlines? The AA mechanics union had been complaining about management pressure to cut corners on safety for quite some time before fight 261 crashed into the Pacific, but management's spin control just called them whiners. The NTSB report agreed with the union and placed the blame squarely on Alaska management. Alaska is still flying airplanes.
      The moral of the story is...Money walks. Dead astronauts talk.
      I think the reality is more like "Money bullsh*ts".
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  3. Instead of slamming NASA by 0x0d0a · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...and I'm sure there will be lots of negative posts about NASA here...

    It'd be nice to give some credit for the people that have put in layer upon layer upon layer of safeguards to check for exactly this sort of thing and the dilligent people that find this stuff. And caught it.

    The awful thing is that this is going to be just another reason for Congress to loot the NASA money bag.

    1. Re:Instead of slamming NASA by molo · · Score: 4, Informative

      It'd be nice to give some credit for the people that have put in layer upon layer upon layer of safeguards to check for exactly this sort of thing and the dilligent people that find this stuff. And caught it.

      Maybe you missed the details, but this has been in place on the Discovery for over 20 years.

      -molo

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    2. Re:Instead of slamming NASA by Telastyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, the credit should go to the engineers who designed something so rock solid that reasonable human error can occur without catastrophic failure.

    3. Re:Instead of slamming NASA by GreyPoopon · · Score: 4, Insightful
      ...but please spare me the pity party because Congress may want to save me a few BILLION dollars.

      This might make sense if Congress (or any group of politicians) was actually interested in SAVING money anywhere. No tinfoil hat is needed to know that anytime a politician takes money away from one line item in the budget, they are merely diverting it to another that involves their own interests.

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    4. Re:Instead of slamming NASA by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Unless, of course, you are friends or secret business partners with a congressman, in which case you may be getting a few million in grants to study the rate that ketchup flows.

      I'd say that, while that does seem quite inconsequential, at one point we thought that the flow of molasses couldn't be all that crucial either, until the lives of 21 people depended upon it.

  4. Transparency. by commo1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm quite surprised they're being quite so upfront about this. Kudos to them... On the other hand, I believe it to be a part of the healing process to convince the general public that they are, in fact taking the Columbia disaster extremely seriously, and want to show progress in the inspection and faliure-cathing procedures that obviously did not work for Columbia.

    It was, however, just a matter of time before a Columbia-type disaster occured. The suttle program has a remarkable safety record, Challenger and Columbia no matter.

    1. Re:Transparency. by afidel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually we are just about on schedule. The origional predicted failure rate for the Shuttle fleet was 1%. If you discount Challenger (which was a political failure not really mechanical, all of the people who knew anything told them not to launch at such low temperatures) we are right on track, one failure in 107 launches. Lauching a rocket into space isn't anywhere near as pedestrian as driving a car. Besides on a per mile basis I bet the shuttle is more safe than driving =)

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    2. Re:Transparency. by afidel · · Score: 2, Informative

      NASA's best disagrees:

      If NASA managers had realized early on that Columbia had suffered a catastrophic breach in its left wing during launch - either by obtaining satellite imagery or, more likely, by having the astronauts stage an inspection spacewalk - they might have had time to mount a repair spacewalk or even an emergency rescue mission with the shuttle Atlantis, the chairman of the Columbia Accident Investigation Board said today. link.

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    3. Re:Transparency. by AJWM · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No they couldn't. There wasn't another vehicle available.

      Actually there was. The next Shuttle mission was being prepped for a launch a month later. If the situation had been observed and understood, Columbia could have gone into a reduced consumption mode to stretch out time on orbit, and preparations for the next launch could have been stepped up (skip the payload, etc).

      The management failure was that they didn't even look.

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  5. I guess they... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Didn't get the memo. I'm gonna go ahead and get you another copy of that, mmmkay?

  6. Geez... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Come on NASA, it's not rocket science! Oh wait...

    1. Re:Geez... by Hays · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Quoth John Carmack

      "I'm kind of at the top of my field [in gaming]," he said. "When I started reading about aerospace, I realized there was an incredible level of things to learn. ... There's this mytholigization of aerospace that it's the hardest thing you can do. That's just not true. In terms of actual difficulty, it's not that hard. Aerospace is plumbing with the volume turned up."

    2. Re:Geez... by pclminion · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The founder of my company has told me something similar. He used to design spy satellites (who knows exactly what he worked on -- 30 years later he still isn't allowed to talk about it), and he says that the day-to-day IT management problems he encounters now are far more difficult to solve than designing spacecraft.

      He blames it on the ten thousand different manufacturers you deal with in IT, ranging from motherboard suppliers, to RAM makers, to CPU makers, hard drives, UPSs, and of course, software. The pieces work, it's getting them to work together that's a bitch. With a satellite, you have maybe 20 or 30 people who, in combination, know everything about it and who can coordinate with each other.

      Think about that. Keeping a mid-size server farm up and running smoothly (all the while undergoing constant upgrades, new feature additions, etc.) is more difficult than designing and launching a satellite. Straight from the horse's mouth.

    3. Re:Geez... by Unknown+Kadath · · Score: 4, Informative

      Like all high-tech endeavors, "rocket science" is a blend of many different fields. I happen to think that electrical engineering is far more difficult than aerospace engineering ever could be, but I have helped EE friends with their required mechanical engineering classes, and they got stuck on things I thought were simple and obvious. I'm sure they felt the same way when the time came to help me with my EE requirement. Ditto me and my CS friends. A lot of it is a matter of training and experience.

      I'm qualified to work on things like airframes and engines, and I can calculate a pretty mean orbit, if I do say so myself. But I'm lost when it comes to things like avionics or heat shield design. So "rocket science" is indeed complex and tricky, and a successful rocket design will require experts from many fields. But things like compressible flow, which seems to be what Carmack's talking about, aren't really outside the grasp of a dedicated student at all. And of course, all of this sounds like black magic to the nontechnical layman.

      Of course, we don't go around telling people this, or we wouldn't be able to look down our noses at everyone else. "I design jet engines, and I've done some work on the Mars program. Oh, you write computer games? Aw, that's cute." ;)

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  7. Why are heads not rolling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I cannot believe that such a fundamentally problematic organization goes about its business mishap after mishap, without some high-level heads rolling every once in a while. Organizations get sloppy when they are not held accountable. To think that so many billions of taxes go toward what is supposedly one of our most high-tech endeavors, and they can't even install the parts correctly? Someone high-up should get fired for not forcing NASA to get serious.

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    1. Re:Why are heads not rolling? by kpansky · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right. Because the head of NASA was on the assembly line 20 years ago when the parts were installed by some blue collar worker getting paid peanuts who is responsible but will never be held accountable. Makes sense.

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    2. Re:Why are heads not rolling? by pz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When the Mars Climate Orbiter was lost due to a mixup between NASA and Lockheed Martin concerning imperial vs. metric units, I recall Dan Goldin, the then-head of NASA, being asked by a reporter if heads would roll. He replied something like, "sure we could do that, but then we'd have to replace those engineers. Now we already hired the best ones we could find in the world, so where are we to get better ones?"

      The Shuttle is one of the (if not *the*) most complex bits of engineering we, as a world-wide society, have achieved. I would never expect any shuttle to be manufactured/assembled/flown/controlled/maintained perfectly without flaw. I would, however, expect it to be designed to work well in the face of such problems, as does seem to be the case here. Discovery had 30 successful flights despite a part on a major control surface being installed backwards? Everyone landed safely? Tons of good science, too? Doesn't mean the problem shouldn't be fixed, but kudos to NASA for what sounds to me like a job well done.

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    3. Re:Why are heads not rolling? by eclectro · · Score: 2, Insightful


      30 succesful flights is not "a job well done" in this case. If the actuators had been installed on the other side a catastrophic failure would have been not only possible, but probable.

      What that is called is "dumb luck".

      It's sort of like winning at slots in a casino and being told that is "a job well done".

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  8. I'm betting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...I'll be running Duke Nukem: Forever on Microsoft Longhorn before the next shuttle launches.

  9. Outsourced Inspectors? by netglen · · Score: 2, Funny

    So which inspectors found the fault? Was it one of NASA's inspectors or one that was outsourced to India? Can somebody post a copy of the article please?

  10. Capsules by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is yet another reason that manned missions should be using simple reusable capsules instead of winged orbiters. There are no rudders to jam.

  11. A quote I remember .... by airrage · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm paraphrasing here but it went something like this:

    "When the most intelligent work on the most complex to build the the only prototype, inevitably the radio won't work."

    The point is that when working on very complex designs and prototypes installing something incorrectly doesn't seem odd because your brain is unable to "see" the mistake for what it is. In a car, if you install the brakes incorrectly, the scale is such that you understand the mistake simply from your gut, visually. Like looking at a crumpled front fender and understanding that's not correct.

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  12. time for a new one by millahtime · · Score: 3, Interesting

    With all the advances in vehicle health monitoring, diagnostics, prognostics and the like it might be better for them to either build a new vehicle with this technology or retrofit the shuttles with it. Then they could see when the gears are cracked or acting up.

  13. Should have used Java by iamacat · · Score: 4, Funny

    NASA Finds Critical Assembly Fault in Shuttle

    I know NASA is conservative with technology, but using assembly in this day and age is way backwards!

    1. Re:Should have used Java by millahtime · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "I know NASA is conservative with technology, but using assembly in this day and age is way backwards!"

      Bad Joke

      Actually Assembly is a great language if your worried about efficiency and/or space. A lot of controllers in aerospace are coded that way and there is good reason for that. You can never get away from machine language for everything. Many times it is the best route to code in.

  14. Just goes to show.. by iswm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They should really do some double checking on this stuff. It's hard to imagine mistakes like this happen when dealing with something that holds the fate of a handfull of people's lives; not to mention all the millions of dollars put into these projects that would go down the drain. When dealing with people's lives and huge sums of money it's worth it to go over _everything_, and put in for better training so these thing don't happen again. They caught it this time, but if they don't take enough precaution, they might not be so lucky in the future.

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  15. Twice?! by 2marcus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And if you read the article, you realize that NASA installed defective actuators not once, but twice! The first being the one that was successfully flown 30 times, and the second in the spare actuators.

    Given the complexity of a system like the shuttle, it is not surprising that out of 1000s of components there could be a mistake in one of them (and given some redundancy and robustness, it is not surprising that the shuttle could fly 30 times with one or more poorly installed components, though one would not normally want to bet on that...).

    However, two errors out of 8 actuators checked implies some serious quality control issues.

    -Marcus

    1. Re:Twice?! by Smidge204 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think it's more of a design problem than an inspection problem. Either the gear should have been designed to be perfectly symmetrical, or to not fit at all if someone tried to install it incorrectly.

      =Smidge=

  16. When is a problem a problem? by stecoop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Discovery flew safely 30 times with the defective actuator

    When does a defect become a problem? I wonder if this was really a Critical problem because shouldn't some indication have already been seen by now?

    I mean since they have fixed this problem will two other problems surface that are more critical and maybe they should have left it alone?

  17. Quothe NASA: by Luveno · · Score: 2, Funny

    "whoops!"

  18. Murphy's Law by OldBus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Is anyone else reminded of the story of how Murphy's Law came into being (where something could be connected up the wrong way round and was)? I'm sure NASA has tightened up its procedures since Challenger/Columbia, but given that these things could be fitted either way it was an accident waiting to happen - thankfully it never did.

    1. Re:Murphy's Law by AlterTick · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "If there are two or more ways to do something, and one of those ways can result in a catastrophe, then someone will do it."

      The important lesson here is about the design of critical parts. Nothing important should be made asymetrical and reversable. Even labeling it "THIS SIDE UP" on one side and "WRONG! DANGER! WRONG!" on the other isn't good enough. The part should either be symetrical, so it doesn't matter which way it goes, or non-reversable, so it wont fit upside down/backwards. Important thing to remember in mechanical engineering (gears|levers|*) or even eletrical parts specifications (connectors should be keyed to mate only one way: the right way).

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  19. NASA Finds Critical Assembly Fault in Shuttle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Isn't it about time they switched from assembly to C ?

  20. Outsourcing by ever+vigilant · · Score: 3, Funny

    NASA needs to start outsourcing to India, I hear they do great work for their pay.

  21. Aren't there supposed to be 5 actuators? by SpotBug · · Score: 2, Interesting


    I always thought there were 5 of everything to keep surfaces working even after a double failure. With only 4 actuators, if 2 fail, and start working against the other 2, the working pair can't overpower the non-working pair and the surface is useless. With 5 actuators, it takes a triple failure before the surface won't work.

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  22. Slightly asymmetric? by spellraiser · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The mistake dates back to the actuator's assembly at Hamilton Sundstrand in Rockford, Illinois, and is not easy to spot. The gear fits into the assembly both ways, but is slightly asymmetric so the teeth do not fit exactly if the gear is reversed.

    Show me a man who can find a slightly asymmetric shape, and I'll show you a man who can find a slightly tritriangular number.

    Or a slightly odd one ... hey wait, that's me. Except I am not a number, I am a free man!

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  23. Engineering practices by n3xup · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In engineering, it's usually good practice to design somthing that only assembles one way. That way, whoever is assembling it (no matter how intelligent they are) can only install the component the way it was meant to be.

    It's strange and somewhat disconcerting that this was not the case for this shuttle component, but I haven't seen the part in question.

  24. New backwards moniker for NASA! by Jedi+Holocron · · Score: 2, Funny

    ASANine

    This whole thing is despicable.

  25. This happens: See the F-111 program by dougermouse · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The same basic thing happened with the F-111 program in the 60s. The drawing had a piece that was installed upside down, but the technician installing them said, this ALWAYS goes right side up and installed it that way. A couple crashes and the grounding of the whole F-111 fleet later, and the trouble was found. I don't know what happened to the installer, but I can't imagine it was any good. Check twice, install once :)

  26. Same Story - Different Article by H8X55 · · Score: 3, Informative

    NASA Finds Hidden Shuttle Danger Same story, different article, in case the posted one gets /.'ed.

  27. Stuff happens; learn from it. by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In this case nobody died and several lessons were learned, including something about fault-tolerance in actuators. I think two of the most valuable space flights from this point of view were Apollo 13 and the Mir mission that caught fire.

    Things will go wrong. Learning how to cope when the evil wind blows is critical. In this case, we now know that the thing can be flown with one actuator in upside down. If the bottom one malfs, swap it out in orbit with the top one, and you still might get home. People are going to get killed doing this. People got killed learning to sail the Mediterranean. It's still worth doing.

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  28. manual by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 4, Interesting


    I can imagine the guy that noticed this first. Probably went something like: looks at actuators. looks at diagram of how they're to be installed. looks at diagram again. looks at actuators. turns diagram around; notices that the legend is now upside down, so concludes that can't be it. checks other pages of diagram to see if this page is unusual--different view, maybe. finds that it isn't. checks back for errata. finds none.

    Looks around. "Hey Bob, what do you make of this?" Thinks about all the work that day that isn't going to get done, because now management and, if he's lucky, congressional inspectors are going to crawl up his ass. At least he knows that he didn't *install* the things.

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  29. Fail Safe by 3gm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The gears were in an actuator that is, itself, a failsafe. It's apparently not used except in an emergency. That's it didn't fail in use; it was never used! The gears apparently are made to fit in either a right side or left side actuator but need to be installed with the proper orientation. Makes sense to use the same gear for both sides only flip it over. If its orientation is critical though, you'd better have some really good assembly instructions. Maybe like those that come with that high quality Chinese press board furniture!

  30. The ONLY way to guarantee that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...this sort of thing no longer happens (for NASA or Microsoft) is to put punitivie punchiments on the engineer/developer's heads if these things happen agaion.

    If the USA is to become the empire it plans to be, we need more draconian measures to keep the incompitentes out of the way. Something like this would suffice:

    From: Microsoft Corporate
    Subject: Trusted Computing Initiative 2

    In an effort to better secure computing for our customers, we are implementing new measures in our code revision system. The biometric login tubules installed at your workstations will allow you to log in and code the next gratest version of Windows OS. However, from now on, all code you write will be linked to your DNA. If, at some future time, a hole is found and your code is responsible, you will be summarily executed and replaced with the next coder in line. While this may sound a little harsh, we've found that this is the only way in which we can write secure code and still remain a proprietary OS with none of that dirty, smelly, nasty communist "free software" stuff going on. So go out and fix those bugs... your life is DEPENDING on it.

    Sincerely,
    Steve "The Fat Man" Ballme(r)

  31. Maybe by Salsaman · · Score: 2, Funny

    maybe one part of NASA was using radians, and another degrees.

  32. Re:Safety is relative by Imperator · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why does the modern Soyuz have a better safety record than the Shuttle? Why did our old ballistic missiles have a better safety record than the Shuttle? Even the enormous Saturn V rockets never had an accident in flight.[1]

    Why does the Shuttle have such a terrible safety record relative to other rockets that attain orbit?

    I'll tell you why: because it was over-ambitious. Congress was sold on the idea of a re-usable (read: cheap) launch vehicle that can do cool stuff like repair satellites. The truth of the matter is that if we had stuck with traditional launch vehicles (fire-once rockets), the money we saved over the long run would have allowed us to just replace failing satellites rather than repair them. (How many satellites have we repaired anyway?) We could even have built the space station for less. (Look at how we launched Skylab. Surely we could have repeated that a few times to get as large a space station as we wanted.) The legacy of the Shuttle is that of an overpriced, underperforming safety hazard.

    All manned spaceflight is dangerous. The Shuttle is just more dangerous that most.

    [1] The Apollo capsule had two serious accidents, one on the ground and one on the way to the moon.

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  33. This stuff happens all the time by Unknown+Kadath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work in New England, contracting for a jet engine manufacturer (and you can get it in two if you know the aero industry). Things like this happen frequently in manufacturing, especially with development hardware, before the kinks have been worked out of the assembly process and parts are ready to go to production. Assembly mistakes range from things that are easy to do but also easy to fix, like cut or cracked O-rings and tool knicks on non-critical parts, to things that are real screw-ups and result in major headaches, like parts left out entirely or vital parts being installed incorrectly and badly damaged because of it. You could consider the entire shuttle program to still be development-phase engineering, since only a few shuttles were ever built.

    An example: a while back, we had a test engine spewing fuel all over the test cell for no readily apparent reason, prompting a panic that an entire compartment of the engine would have to be redesigned from scratch--until one of the test engineers found a fuel line seal that had not been reinstalled in the engine after the last teardown and reassembly. How do you miss something like this when there's a careful set of instructions to follow for every step of the assembly? I don't know, but I do know that humans are fallible, so we are constantly dealing with a stream of lost, damaged, and defective parts. Anyway, they put the seal back in, and the engine worked fine. (I have an NDA, so this is not what actually happened, but it is analogous.)

    When I was in school, the more I learned about the environment the shuttle operates in, the more I was impressed by the fact that it worked at all, and now that I'm learning more about manufacturing engineering (not what I studied for; stupid job market), I'm surprised that the shuttles have as few problems as they do.

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  34. Re:This happens: See the F-111 program by AlterTick · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The same basic thing happened with the F-111 program in the 60s. The drawing had a piece that was installed upside down, but the technician installing them said, this ALWAYS goes right side up and installed it that way. A couple crashes and the grounding of the whole F-111 fleet later, and the trouble was found. I don't know what happened to the installer, but I can't imagine it was any good. Check twice, install once :)

    This seems to happen a lot with factory workers. As I recall from the fog of memory, Chuck Yeager talked about this one old guy working on the assembly line building F-86's. His job was to rivet on an actuator attachment point for the aileron's or some such. Then one day they redesign the whole actuator mechanism and the attachment point has to be flipped over and installed the other way. Well, this old rivetter guy refused to believe it. He thought the change order was a mistake, so he ignored it and kept putting 'em in the old way. Killed a few F-86 pilots before they figured out the problem.

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  35. Nasa Haters... by bobej1977 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I think it's worth saying that very few of us would be capable of the high standards that go into the design, fabrication and assembly of these crafts. Quoth Nasa:
    "...[Discovery is] assembled from more than 2.5 million parts, 230 miles of wire, 1,060 valves, and 1,440 circuit breakers..."
    I for one stand amazed at what Nasa accomplishes every single day. Could they do better? Certainly. Would we do better? Almost certainly not.

    On a side-note, the reason Nasa is stuck in the proverbial hard-place between multi-billion dollar budgets and missions that nobody cares about is that we've all started over-valuing human-life. It's ridiculous that space exploration all but stopped because of the 2 shuttle disasters. Certainly, the loss of those crews was tragic, but the best way to honor those crews is to relentlessly pursue the dream that they died for, not hamstring ourselves being overly cautious.

    Call me old-fashioned, but I still believe there are things more important than one or a dozen human lives. IMO, exploring the universe is one of them.

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    1. Re:Nasa Haters... by ericlp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      OK... lets send you :) Just remember the management culture created those two disasters. Granted, we all know space travel is high risk. But I don't think I am going to stand up and cheer for the NASA front office for adding risk via poor oversight. More leadership is needed and less "administration".

  36. the most complex engineered system ever by orn · · Score: 3, Informative

    The shuttle is the most complex system ever engineered by people... by orders of magnitude.

    It's not suprising that there are flaws in the system - disasters lying dormant until the moment when they cause the destruction of the entire system.

    This is one of the biggest arguements for a Vertical Takoff / Vertical Landing vehicle - it simplifies the system because it eliminates specialized components for landing.

    Here's the mantra: fault tolerant systems. Things will fail. Can your space shuttle deal with those failures gracefully?

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    1. Re:the most complex engineered system ever by BCW2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not even close. Try a nuc powered aircraft carrier. With more plumbing per square yard than anything, counting fuel, lube oil, hydraulics, steam, water, waste, firefighting......... Largest and most comples by far.

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  37. Re:I didn't read the article, but... by mamba-mamba · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The article said that the teeth don't engage properly.

    On high-load gears, the teeth are sometimes designed so that the faces which mesh are perpendicular to the force they apply. This keeps the gears from pushing each other away when they are loaded, and makes the gears engage more positively. But as a consequence, the teeth cannot be perfectly symmetrical.

    If one of the gears is installed upside down, then the teeth would be loaded on a smaller surface area than designed (since their faces are now not parallel) which could cause them to deform or fracture. Also, since they now do push each other away, they could simply slip.

    Obviously, if they fracture and leave a piece of metal free inside the gearbox, that could lead to a lockup.

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  38. Hubble flaw also due to a mis-installed part? by dzurn · · Score: 3, Informative
    Remember the Hubble Telescope's mirror flaw? It was in all the papers at the time...
    Perkin-Elmer had done the rough grinding of the mirror in 1978, and had finished the final polishing in 1981. As the telescope's 2.4 meter primary mirror was being polished, an unrecognized 1.308 millimeter error in the structure of a device used to monitor the process caused technicians to give the mirror an exquisitely smooth surface with a grossly inaccurate shape. The result is the "spherical aberration" that now bathes the stars in fuzz whenever Hubble tries to look at them. The culprit device was called the reflective null corrector.
  39. Except they stamped the wrong side by bluGill · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Great idea, but the workers stamped the wrong side on some versions, and the part cannot be remade in time.

    This is a real problem in industry, you can put any sign on something, but then you gotta make sure the signs are right too. Indeed the wrong sign leads some workers to put it in backwards, even knowing the right way, while others will get in the habbit of putting it in with the lettering wrong, and not correct themselves when the next version is ships with the right parts.

  40. Re:This happens: See the F-111 program by markcic · · Score: 2

    That came from Chuck Yeager's autobiography. There was a line worker at the factory that was installing bolts in the wing that were supposed to be place head down/nut up. The worker was installing them head up/nut down contrary to the instructions because "that is the way bolts are supposed to be installed". IIRC he killed 6 people because of his ignorance.

  41. Re:Safety is relative by n-baxley · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Gee, where were you with your 20/20 hindsight vision when the Shuttle was being developed? It's very easy to make these kinds of statements now, 25 years after the fact. At the time though, there was a lot of pressure to make space flight cheap and prevalent and looking at that kind of volume a reuseable craft makes much more sense. Please don't treat the early shuttle designers as though they were money grubbing morons. There were many good reasons to do what they did, and there are many things, like Hubble, that would have been much harder to launch and maintain without the shuttle.

  42. Yes, slightly assymetric... by Kjella · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...I remember as much from "Engine parts" that depending on load, you'd like the teeth of the gear to NOT be symmetric. This would give you better interconnection in one direction (the "right" way) and worse in the other (the "wrong" way).

    Ever see a winch? The teeth on the gear there is an extreme of that sort - only designed to pull load in. So it's not done to be mean - it's probably done as to fit the spec.

    Kjella

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  43. Shuttle Sustainment by ericlp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I love watching the comedy of shuttle sustainment. Remember how it was sold to us years ago: As a quick turn bird. Instead, after each flight they even change out whole components ( certain back up systems ) that sometimes never get used on a mission. Inspect the item, if it is good to go, don't mess with it. Sign it off and press on. Lots of things on the shuttle aren't complex ( some are ). But don't fix items that are not broken. Just thought I would mention this because that is the culture there. Now in the case of the vertical stab, I am sure that thing takes a beating every mission and is worth refirbing. Be good to take some of the manpower and sustainment resources from stuff that isn't broken and doesn't need a refirb after every flight and apply it to the items that do. Might even reduce the total ( large ) number of flow days for an airframe between missions. Airframe sustainment issues over time, are very fun and not all that hard to grasp. I am sure there are other fun fubars that we haven't heard about. Hey, somebody caught it at least.

  44. Re:This happens: See the F-111 program by CKW · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The worker was installing them head up/nut down contrary to the instructions because "that is the way bolts are supposed to be installed" ... he killed 6 people because of his ignorance

    ANY system where the right side up/down of a single fucking nut put on by one single guy that does not have any kind of independent quality control/inspection/etc process, any system at all that allows a bolt put on backwards by one single guy to kill 6 people...

    ...is not the fault "of one ignorant guy".

    It's a systemic fault.