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Why Mobile Phones Are Annoying
griffinn writes "Jakob Neilsen recently conducted a study comparing the perceived annoyance level of two commuters having a face-to-face conversation and one commuter talking on the mobile phone. Interestingly enough, subjects were also asked whether the ring tone is annoying, and people didn't find the ring to be particularly bad."
The ringtones arent the bad part.
The bad part is the loud speakers that really dont need a phone in the first place.
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Switch to Verizon and you won't have to keep yelling can you hear me now. No seriously - CDMA which is used by Verizon and Sprint have positive feedback meaning that the phone continually transmits and receives; so what you say but what happens is you hear background noises and you perceive mentally that the person has your complete attention.
With other vendors that use TDMA such as ATT, Cingular, TMobile they have to electronic introduce background noise because this technology doesn't continually transmit. They introduce clicks and pops to simulate background noise. This gives you the perception that you have to yell to keep the other persons attention.
How are those damn ring tones NOT annoying? "Hey look how cool I am with my 50 cent ring tone!" What ever happened to a plain phone, that rings, vibrates and stores contact information. I find the whole ringtone /instant messaging and even the internet on my phone quite useless.
How about a study showing the time delay from when a cellphone rings in the theater to when people get mad, measured in milliseconds. In L.A. it must be higher than here,because we get people from there talkin on phones like it's their job, IN the theater, DURING the movie.
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I beleive people tend to talk louder while on a cellphone. They repeat themselves over and over. "Can you hear me? I said..." People will talk on a cellphone without regard to their "real life" companion... sometimes I feel as if I'm not really there when someone gets involved in a conversation. And its annoying because, when I want to listen in, I only hear half of the conversation!! :-)
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If it was a Nielsen study it would have said that "most people" feel a certain way, where "most people" is a pseudonym for "Jakob Nielsen".
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On the contrary. I believe most would find the ring tone to be most annoying.
As I regularly deal with theatrical performances of all different natures I see the dismay that people have for the damn things-- Even different amounts of annoyance with different ringtones.
The more bubbly and in-your-face, the more people become agitated if the phone isn't shut-up immediately.
I can't stand when someone has a cell phone conversation and speaks too loud. It's as if these people are trying to let everyone else know that they are "cool" and talk so loud that you can pretty much follow thier conversation, even though you are only hearing one side. I think it's funny too the people that pimp through the mall with the high-tech headset attatched. Usually these are the people that appear not to have a dime to thier name, but somehow still have the most expensive phone on the market. I wish people on cell phones would be more courteous, and only take calls where acceptable, and then only speak as loud as they need too.
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My "ringer" is set to vibrate - wherever I am, because other people don't need to hear the ringing. When I'm in a bookstore, library or restaurant, if I take or make a call I either walk out to the lobby, or find a place where others aren't. And I wear a headset when I drive, but I still see tons of people breaking my state's cell phone law, despite an alleged "ticket blitz."
I think these guys have been conducting this experiment on the train I catch to work for the last two years.
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"Interestingly enough, subjects were also asked whether the ring tone is annoying, and people didn't find the ring to be particularly bad." ..In related news, Hell freezes over!
I rather like their hypothesis that people pay more attention to half a conversation than a full one and it seems it may be dead on. While I don't particularly listen in on others' conversations, I know I definitely overhear a cell conversation, even at normal volume, because having only half the conversation seems to leave my brain wondering and pondering the other half more.
Although, I can't believe they don't think the rings are annoying. I just wish a phone could have at least one decent normal ringer now... I don't want a song, but there really aren't options other than those now. The most recent phone we bought was for my fiance and all the rings it came with were songs. We figured we'd download something normal and only found more songs. Ultimately, we just picked the song ringer that sounded the least annoying.
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is the loud speakers. I used to see the same thing with construction supervisor types in restaraunts with radiophones, back before the modern mobils became possible. Now they do it with mobile phones, along with lots of other people who never had access to a radiophone.
And of course, some people talk at the top of their voice even when they're sitting face-to-face with the people they're talking to. (And have a tendency to be complaining about their family problems or some other crap you particularly don't want to hear.)
The ringers are annoying during a movie, concert, lecture, exam, etc., but much more often it is the overly loud yakking that annoys. I hate sitting in a restaraunt and having to raise my voice to talk to someone at the table with me because someone four tables away is hollering into a cell.
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The study was done by Monk et al. Nielsen's story is merely an abstract.
Original article: Andrew Monk, Jenni Carroll, Sarah Parker, and Mark Blythe: "Why are Mobile Phones Annoying?" Behaviour and Information Technology, vol. 23, no. 1, 2004, pp. 33-41.
Yet.
However, one time I was in a bathroom and the guy in the next stall took a call on his cell phone. I immediately made all sorts of grunting, straining, and moaning noises as if I were trying to pass a moose. He hung up after twenty seconds, and before he could say anything to me, I thanked him and returned to the quiet matter at hand.
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Interestingly enough, subjects were also asked whether the ring tone is annoying, and people didn't find the ring to be particularly bad."
The ringing isn't really the problem. The real problem is this:
john: so you see, I had to go see him yesterday.
Peter: yeah, I know what you mean [ring ring]. Hang on a sec there John... HELLO! YES! HI SWEETY HOW ARE YOU? WHERE ARE YOU? WHEEEERE?! CAN'T HEAR YOU, GOING UNDER A TUNNEL!! WHAAAT?
(Well, and of course the ringing)
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I think with the advances made in mobile technology, something should be done about informating people of a call in a manner that is not annoying to others.
Phones that just beep or emulate a land line phone ringing is acceptable, but I totally hate those 2 tone mangled excuses of popular music people call ring tones.
Take the vibrating alert.. Thats a good start. Why not improve on it? like make a little ring or bracelet or pen or whatever and make that vibrate too? Or maybe even a watch strap? It informs you of a call and is non annoying at the same time.
Sometimes I wish I was a plumber, then I'd know how to deal with other people's shit.
I agree. What's even more annoying is those two way plans that work like walkie talkies. In such a situation, not only do you have to listen to the person talking but also their companion over the phone.
" when I want to listen in, I only hear half of the conversation "
Trust me, unless you are with a friend who's talking to another friend, you really don't.
It is that I cannot get a good cell phone anymore that doesn't come with a camera, so I have to decide to either leave my cell phone in the car while I am at work or get a dumbed down basic cell phone.
These manufactures really aren't thinking of the part of the market that buys the most cell phones, and that is the corporations, and most corporations have strict guidlines against cameras. So it really blows, and I hope they come to they senses and stop marketing to the teeny-boppers. At least they could put out comparable phone that doesn't have that camera.
question is :
why bother start a conversation with an asshole in the first place? If you want to speak with him (as he's your colleague after all...), just call him on his cell phone. Works like a charm.
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In South-East Asia, where I am from, having a handphone is almost as important as being literate;you can't really live without it.You can but its hard to communicate long distance since public land-line phones are not well mantained and are in generally bad condition.Its no longer a matter of status/fashion statement.
This is why public cell-phone ethics is a serious issue here.In general, the older ones have a tendency to talk too loudly, however I do noticed that the younger generations have learnt to speak as unobtrusively as possible, maybe realising the phone-speaker can actually pickup their voice without having to shout across the room.
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They are small, unobtrusive and the chance of being caught is infinitesimally small.
Someone's pissing you off? Click it on and their signal vanishes. Sure they try to re-dial for 2 mins but as soon as it's apparent that their mobile just isn't working they stop.
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Having lived for nearly a year in Shanghai, I'm all but immune to cellphones. As a matter of fact, I've been one of those people who not only leave their cellphone on in the theater, but actually take the time to answer if it rings. I kid you not, this is normal behavior here.
And why not? In China, as well as most parts of Asia, cellphones are not an annoyance in any way. They're just a part of life. I think in the West, cellphones were initially thought to be annoying because they were an obnoxious show of money, and this has carried on to this day. In China and South Korea, having a cellphone is part of life and is not considered as annoying.
Methink the people surveyed here thought a cellphone conversation was more annoying than a face-to-face conversation simply because it's, well, a cellphone conversation. We still tiptoe around cellphones in the West. For all I can see, this annoyance is purely cultural.
(Earlier today, I saw a perfect picture of modern-day Shanghai: in a sea of bicycles, a man riding, and a woman seated in the Chinese way in equilibrium on the back of the bike with both her legs on one side... And as the man pedals his old rusted bike, the girl behind her is merrily thumb-keying SMS messages to her friends.)
Someone walking down the street talking on a cell phone doesn't bother me, nor does someone sitting in a restaurant talking on a cell phone.
What REALLY bothers me is when I'm sitting in a presentation at a conference (or something like that) and they repeatedly ask that people turn off cell phones or set them to vibrate. Then, naturally, someone's phones has to ring half way through.
Now answer me this, what kind of fucked up individual sits there while someone clearly asks them to silence their phone and doesn't? What is the thought process? Is it "Well, everyone else is turning silencing their phones like they asked, but they couldn't have meant me" or is it more "I'm not going to silence my phone, I'll just assume that nobody will call me"? Or is it that these people somehow forgot that they HAVE a phone?
I've never understood this but it seems to happen every time. Almost as if making the announcement before a presentation to silence phones CAUSES one to ring eventually.
Oh, and the worst is when the phone is in some kind of bag or briefcase and the owner just ignores it like everyone around him doesn't know it is his and he doesn't want to give away that HE is the asshole. We all know it is your phone you goober, looking around like you are trying to figure out whos it is will not fool anyone so turn it off!
There, I feel better now.
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Let me first start by saying that I agree mobile phone use does have its etiquette, and certain limits should be respected (i.e. volume of the ring tone in a quiet place, such as a library).
But I really think it's only a matter of habit. I believe if an American lived in Sweden for a while (a country with one of the highest mobile phone penetration rates), they would quickly get used to hearing phones ringing and people talking on them all the time, without feeling necessarily annoyed. It's the constant reinforcement by others in US society that mobile phones are in fact extremely annoying that maintains this perception.
It's almost as if people go out of their way to get annoyed at someone talking on the phone. Because logically speaking, and as the article states, if you only hear half the conversation, you should only be bothered half as much. And if listening to just one side of the conversation is bothering you, then why are you listening in the first place?
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What it really comes down to is a matter of how nosey you can be. We all are motivated to some degree by a sense of morbid curiosity -- a simple enough desire to know everything. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. If two people choose to have a conversation within earshot of me, I am not going to be made to feel the slightest bit guilty for listening in {however, I would draw the line at passing on information received without consent. Being privy to a secret doesn't give you the right to broadcast it}. If it's that important, they can always get up and go somewhere else.
If two people are having a face to face conversation in a language in which you are fluent, then you can hear both sides of the conversation. You can then make a fully-informed decision just how much attention to pay to it.
If one person is on a mobile phone, having one side of a conversation in a language in which you are fluent, it can drive you crazy trying to work out what is going on. You probably are devoting more attention to it than you can afford, and this also increases annoyance.
Two people talking face to face in a language in which you are not fluent, can also be extremely annoying.
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I occassionally do some work for a person who works as a producer in Los Angeles. So far, she has answered her cellphone at a museum, at a classical music concert, while in meetings and on a date. The last time I called her she mentioned after about three minutes that she was at a movie theater, watching a movie. I asked her why she even bothered to answer her mobile. I think she was actually dumbfounded that anyone would not answer their phone when it rang.
I suspect that one part of why hearing half a conversation is more annoying has to do with the intermittent nature of half a conversation. Whenever someone starts talking near me, particularly if they are using a loud voice, I listen for a moment to see if they are talking to me. If they are in a conversation where I an hear both parts it's easier to ignore as it's easy to tell that they are not addressing me. With the stop/start pattern of half a conversation, I think most people are subconsciously triggered to pay attention to see if someone wants to talk to them, every time the local speaker makes a remark.
This doesn't explain why I dislike using mobile phones, which is what i really what to know.
Also it isn't the phone which annoys people, it appears to be other people.
hold on let me get this call...
Will people stop focusing on the wrong thing (cell phone) and return focus to the actual source of the problem (asshole)?
They're annoying because..they're annoying.
-The insipid ringtones (hi, Britney!)
-The shouting
-The uniformity of the conversation (I'M ON A TRAIN! WHERE ARE YOU?)
-The blandness of what's being said (YES WELL I WAS SAYING TO MARGE THAT I REALLY LIKE THE FLOWERS AND MARGE SAID...)
I've noticed that the people who speak more quietly on phones tend to make a more educated and lucid impression--they stick to a conversation, for them a phone chat isn't some HYPER-/<3WL 5H1T D00D, but a tool, and they understand that they don't have to yell to be heard.
Maybe talking face to face with someone makes it easier for them to smack you upside the head when you say something idiotic.
To be perfectly honest, when idiots converse loudly in person, it's equally irritating. But then, that's probably just me.
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A few thoughts on this research.
:) ) will get annoyed quicker. If this is true, it's unfortunate, because it means that even if the majority of mobile phone users can be educated to be considerate, people will still get annoyed even at them, because they've been "pre-annoyed" by the inconsiderate people.
I'm surprised the author made no reference to the relative volumes of the mobile phone converstation and the face to face conversations. Was the mobile phone conversation the same volume as the normal conversation, the loud conversation, or somewhere in between? If it was the same volume as the loud conversation, the would support the conclusions drawn by the author, that annoyance is primarily due to the exagggerated volume. If it was the same volume as the normal conversation, something else about mobile phones is annoying people.
I suspect that peoples expectations have some affect as well. People who have been annoyed by mobile phones before (ie everyone
Or is that just me?
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Add some radio-tracking stuff, that listens for active cell-phones, and controlls the lamps.
As soon as somebody start talking in their phone, a directed (strong!) light beem will shine on them from above, or to be techincal towards the phone, but the end result is the same.
The angry shouts from the crowd, now that they see who to blame will make that person switch of the phone within seconds
I think this is much to prefer above legalisation, it like handling animals, make the "right" choise the easy one, and all bad choises unpleasant - As soon as you behave acording to plan, you get the comfort of being left alone and not bothered.
The worst are those walkie -talkie phones where that continually beep, and force you to shout into them. Who came up with that idea? How is that better than talking on a normal phone, with or without a hands-free set? Unless you are working on a construction site, therer is no need for it.
Last friday I read in other news that a cell phone possibly ignited a flash explosion of gas vapors. I think this incident will revive the discussion about banning cell phone use from gas stations. In almost every manual there's a warning not to use the cell phone when exposed to inflammable gasses. I haven't seen a warning signs at filling stations yet but I expect them to come soon.
..or it could just be that the guy has invented a neat way of getting out of unpleasant conversations..
...isn't the ring tones, or people using it in theatres (never had that problem), or even people talking louder. I'm sure they are annoying ring tones and people who can't comprehend "Please turn of your phones now" or people who go "HELLO?!?" and whatnot - it's just that they don't bug me (as much).
Two things really bug me:
1) You only know half of the conversation. So, naturally, the person that you can't hear is apparently the funniest person alive, and the person on the phone can't stop laughing, or then he'll act like he can insult you, and so he does, as if he forgets you can hear him, etc.
2) You have the person over and you're hanging out with your friends and you're all having a good time, and then someone's phone rings, and they go and leave the room, or they just stay there (even worse) but they just kinda drop out of the party and all. It's like being socially antisocial or something.
Just bugs me.
If you're annoyed about other people using their phones near your holiness then you are probably annoyed by real conversations too.
Though to be fair, when did people discover that they had to look all macho and shit talking into a phone held sideways, away from and in front of their face?
And my homies - when you go the movies, why do you all need to wear the headsets? Do you think you're on Pimp My Ride?
Nope, phones aren't annoying, people are.
uh, maybe he is not getting a phone call, maybe he just doesn't want to talk to you
I was at a business lunch, we where four people in all (all old friends) and the mattes had gone from business to just talk. We where having fun..
One of the guys mobils rings. He looks at it and says "Sorry, I have to take this...".
He answers the phone and the conversations goes like this:
X:"Hi, this is X".
[The other part identifies it self, and obviously askes if it's interrupting anything important]
X: "No, no problem - I was bored anyway".
Cracked me up!
But there's a good bit of truths in it. When you answer your mobile phone while in company with other people, that's basicly what you are saying.
"I'm answering this call, because I care more about having a conversation with a random stanger, than this conversation I'm having with you. For not other reason that the fact that it's convinient for the stranger to talk to me now. The fact that you are wasting your time while I'm having the conversation will not mean anything to me, and I'll keep on talking as long as it take and beyond..."
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I think the reason why people pay attention half-conversations rather than full ones is that half-conversation are not conversations.
You could, of course, argue that they are, but a more normal interpretation of someone yacking into a digital device is not a conversation, but simply someone yacking into a digital device. Any dog would tell you the same thing.
Put another way, there's little discernable difference between someone talking on a cell phone and talking into a dictaphone, muttering to himself, making rude noises, or reading aloud from a book. The deference given to people holding private conversations in public spaces is due in large part to the natural instict to give up your minority rights (only one of you) to the majority (the two people having a conversation). If there's just the two of you, the guy with the digital device doesn't deserve majority rule, regardless of how many digital devices he's got powered on.
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Shout them down. It's seems to be standard practice in Denmark. If some idiot is rude enough to let their phone go off in a restaurant and then have the gall to answer it, the noise level goes way up for the duration of the conversation. Those nearest the idiot, talk to each other or themselves and make every excuse to clank silverware or dishes until the conversation is over.
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I think it's worse when they silence the ring instead of turning off the phone. Then the same person on the other ends calls back repeatedly wondering why the owner won't pick up their phone! Naturally the ringer goes off a couple of times and is a total distraction...this happens in my college courses so often I've gotten fairly irate though it provides me with this story.
I'm sitting in a lecture hall when a cell phone rings for the second time. Everyone looks at me, even though the owner happens to be just behind me in the next row up. They all are totally annoyed that I"m continuing to let the phone ring, when I take a drink of my juice slowly. Let out a nice sigh and say very loudly, "She's the asshole. It's not my phone." A nice gesture with my thumb pointing up at her sealed the event.
A couple of people chuckled and she was so embarrassed she grabbed her bookbag and walked out the door. Since she's been back the phone hasn't rung once. :-)
Here in CH you also have a 100 CHF fine for using your phone without a handsfree set in the car. And here in CH you also have people (like me) who spend quite a bit of time on the phone with other people at the same time as working on a laptop in a train or at a desk away from a fixed line where I could plug in a bulky headset. Not to mention those of us who don't like untangling cables all the time.
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So I appreciate the fact that you said "most of the people" instead of "all the people".
What's really funny is that a lot of people using cheap wired mikes end up holding the damn mouthpiece up to their face anyway while talking
Regardless, I haven't seen a single bluetooth headset where the battery doesn't go to shit after a few months of use--my Sony Ericcson, while it was useful during its (short) life, is now basically a fairly expensive bit of drawer-filling junk.
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Why is it that when you go see a person and the phone starts ringing, they have to interrupt an important conversation to take of someone out of the blue?
When doing service calls a few years back, I remember going to this customer and the receptionist was too busy answering the phone. After 20 minutes of "one moment, I'll be right with you" I decided to use the guest phone and call her up asking for the person I wanted to see. Manners are just out the window where phones are concerned.
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That's why I'm barred from ever owning a cell phone.
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This issue came to the forefront with Stanley Milgram's "shocking" experiment on authority, where he was trying to find out why people followed unethical orders, vis-a-viz WWII and the Holocaust. You may recall from Psych 101 that Milgram set up an experiment in which an unsuspecting victim thought he or she was shocking someone for incorrectly answering questions. I know a bit about this because I worked on Milgram's archived papers. (Some people forget that in the actual experiment, the shocks were a hoax).
Anyway, what occured to me is that reality/prank shows like Scare Tactics etc. go way beyond Milgram's experiment. I assume the only way these episodes get broadcast is that the victim, after the prank is revealed, ends up signing releases, probably in exchange for payment. But the initial trauma/annoyances the victim experiences are not consented to until afterwards. It seems like the media doesn't operate under the same ethical assumptions that science is burdened by. Offtopic, but something that occured to me reading this.
That reminds me of the time I was at the IETF and everyone was playing 'who has the koolest new gadget'. Jeff Schiller was showing off his shortwave band radio the size of a matchbox, someone else had got an iPaq to run Linux, the next guy had a Zaurus running PocketPC, then this dude starts making a phone call without a phone.
The trick was subcutaneous implants, one set under the jaw bone which is a good sound conductor, practically a wave guide pointed to the ear. The second set was on the back of his hand for dialing.
Later in the evening the guy asked us to look after his laptop while he went to the mens room. We thought nothing of it until a few beers later we were wondering where he had gone.
So I go and find him in the bathroom. He is bent over the toilet bowl with a roll of bog roll up his butt. At this point I'm thinking that he has been mugged. "Hey are you ok?" I ask. "Yes I'm just waiting for a fax".
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Quite the reverse -- these days, a plain ringtone is unique! Everyone else has stupid annoying beepy tunes.
It's a shame, because there's lots of scope for sounds that are distinctive and recognisable but not annoying. I've tried lots of alarm sounds on my PDA, so I know what works for me. For example, the original Star Trek communicator chirp is great, not because it's geeky, but because it's extremely easy to hear but also very discreet. Lots of other short, sharp sounds work just as well.
And yet phones are stuck with stupid annoying beepy tunes. [fx: sigh]
(Of course, there's plenty of choice -- if you don't like the stupid annoying beepy tune, you can always choose... another stupid annoying beepy tune!)
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I disagree because it becomes so much more fun to engage in the conversation.
Once the caller or callee makes it clear that the conversation is none of your business, just retort saying that by yapping so audibly on the phone in the restaurant/at the movies/whatever, they MADE it your business.
It's truely the "Yeah. Uh-huh. Oh really ? Uh-huh. OK. No. No, I don't think so. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah, totally." phone 'conversations' that get on my nerves most.
As for ringtones, they're not so bad. You 'need' them to be different if you want to be sure that's your phone ringing. I do sincerely encourage people to use the 'crescendo' ring volume option, though.
My girlfriend's mom has got to have the loudest cellphone ever. We could hear it as we were walking out to the car at the street!
(And then she complains about a T.V. being 'too loud' when the dialogue is barely audible. Go fig.)
It's bad enough having the ring and the semi-shouted conversations, but the freaking "over" beep just kills me. People have no class at all using them in a restaurant. People wouldn't bring a CB radio...this is different?
I don't know about china, but I have some first hand experience with Eastern Europe. It's a different culture, all right.
To put it mildly, the main "cultural difference" is that there it's ok to be an annoying f*ck to those around you. If it doesn't involve cell phones, it involves talking way too loudly, having an extremely loud party in a densely packed block of flats, etc. And if someone doesn't like it, fsck them, it's not your problem. Extreme individualism was pretty much _the_ way to survive communism, and the poverty that came with it.
Now to get back to your point, methinks the same must apply to China, then.
Sorry, no matter how much I want to find it an excuse, there is _no_ bloody way to say that it ought to be socially acceptable to talk loudly on the phone in a movie theatre. I went there to see and _listen_ to the bloody movie, not to hear a dozen retards talking on their phone. I don't care if it's face-to-face or on the phone. Just shut the fsck up. I've paid to listen to the actors, not to you.
It's not overreacting, it's not shunning "an obnoxious show of money", it's merely asking that you show at least some minimal respect to your fellow humans. All I'm asking is that you let me watch the bloody movie, that's all.
So again: what's different in the West is that people have learned to give each other at least some minimal respect. Whole systems of social customs have existed for the sole reason of allowing people to live without getting on each other's nerves every two minutes.
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If you'll notice, your regular landline phone supplies feedback of your voice through the earpiece. In the telephone industry this is called sidetone. I've never figured out why cell phones don't do that as well. Without the expected sidetone feedback, people tend to talk louder since they are not getting the feedback that they are accustomed to. "Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Mark Twain
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One theory I have as to why people speak so loud when using mobile phones is the microphone placement on a lot of them.
On many of the small non-flip phones, the microphone ends up being way up near the middle of your cheek, about four inches from your mouth. So even if it's a sensitive microphone, there is a certain psychological tendancy to speak loud since the mike is farther away.
Another problem with this design is the necessarily sensitive microphone picks up pretty much every ambient sound around you, so the caller can hear your environment and you also have to talk loudly to compete any noise in the vicinity.
The solution? Flip phones, which put the microphone right at your mouth like when using a conventional (non-wireless) phone. You can speak softly and know the microphone is picking you up, and it's much easier to reject ambient sounds.
Of course, the cheapest phones will never be the flip-designs, so we'll have people yelling for a while...
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But it's really the polite thing to do. I get in meetings a lot of the time, and my wife is a D.A. and spends half the day in court. We don't call each other unless it's really life-and-death, what we do is to SMS the other saying "call me, problems at Lucas' school" or, better yet, "don't forget to bring groceries", "I'll be home at 19h00", stuff like that.
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``Often, when a cell phone goes off, everyone is pulling their phone out of their pocket, thinking Is it mine?''
Wear headphones. Only you hear your phone going off, you can have the most annoying tune in the world and it still won't annoy others. Next on the list of annoyances is thinking people have to SPEAK VERY LOUDLY in their phones, which is even true in many cases.
I am for text messaging - imagine a usable keyboard and a permanent (e.g. pay for traffic, not time) IP connection. Just chat away anywhere, anytime, without ever disturbing anyone. I'm sure it can be done, it's probably just more lucrative for telcos to lock people into voice communication.
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The bad part is the loud speakers that really dont need a phone in the first place.
I disagree -- I think I buy into the article pretty strongly, which says that volume is a minimal issue. I've tried paying attention to what irritates me about cell phones when someone is conversing on one, and my feelings click with what the study says.
The problem is that normally, we respond when someone says something to us. Our brain is cued by it.
The request-for-attention pattern this follows is someone saying something near us, followed by a period of silence as they wait for our response. As the period of silence increases, the likelihood that the message was directed at us (and we should respond and haven't) increases (hence the common pattern of someone saying something, stopping, and two seconds later someone looking up and saying "uh, did you say something to me" -- the "request for attention" sequence was sent).
We are pretty good about ignoring conversation -- sitting in a crowded lunchroom, it's easy to let background noise fade into the background.
The problem is that cell phone speakers follow our brain's "I am requesting your attention" almost exactly. So we're sitting here uncomfortably having someone grab our attention every two seconds or so. It's extremely disruptive when you're trying to think about something else. The only real fix is to start ignoring people that *are* trying to get our attention, which isn't great either.
I would say that the primary issue is that we need a sensory input that would allow us to determine when someone is talking on the phone. Then our brain can learn to distinguish between "cell phone speaker -- ignorable" and "someone trying to get your attention".
I think that a good solution would be to provide (surprise, more noise) a buzz, a sort of masked noise from the phone. When the person on the other end of the phone is talking, we get an unintelligable but audible buzz. It would be crucial that (a) the buzz not be an annoying annoying, (b) the buzz not be easily picked up by microphones (especially cell phones, so that feedback doesn't occur -- a filter is necessary), (c) that cell phone manufacturers standardize on such a buzz sound, so that people talking near each other on different cell phones don't interfere -- this would also allow people to more quickly learn to identify cell phones. I think that cell phone disruptiveness is largely a technical problem, not a social problem (though people talking in movie theaters still require a swift kick to the nuts).
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Close. The problem is that your system requires the users to actively make an effort to do things properly. I don't see that ever working, simply because people are lazy, and social pressure should only be used as a last ditch problem.
The issue is that of the protocol.
When a cell phone is called, it should enter the ringing state. At that point, one of two buttons can be hit -- "accept -- pending talking" and "reject". Currently, I believe that people usually just turn off their phone to do a "reject", so that much functionality is in place. The protocol should allow a "accepted, but cannot talk yet state". At that point, the person with the cell can extricate themselves from whatever situation they're in, and can find a quiet place to handle the call. They'd then hit the "ready to talk" button.
This could interoperate with older, non-compliant phones by sending a text message (or brief audio clip saying "hold on") and then either terminating the call and calling back when "ready to talk" is hit, or simply opening the connection and leaving the phone speakers muted after the initial clip) until "ready to talk" is hit.
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A good way to make them stop is to pretend you are a crazy person, and supply the other half of the conversation yourself.
Imagine:
ring-ring
Them, answering phone: Oh hi, how are you, how did last night go?
You (very loudly): I am fine. Last night was a real blast!
I guarantee they will immediately begin speaking a lot more quietly!!
I have a different theory as to why people talk more loudly on cell phones.
On a regular telephone you can hear yourself coming out of the speaker end just a little bit. I don't know if this is because your voice is travelling through the hollow plastic, or if the telephone system is actually designed to do that. Either way, how loud you are hearing yourself compared to the other person helps to give you some feedback into how loudly you actually need to be talking.
On a cellphone, your voice just kind of travels off into nowhere. You don't hear yourself at all coming from the phone. Hence, you feel the need to talk louder, and louder, until you realize that , yes, you are talking loud enough.
This is what happens to me all the time. I always feel that little "urge" that I'm not talking loud enough, and so I sometimes try to actively talk below my comfort level of loudness.
How is a cell phone conversation any different from someone talking on a normal phone? Or talking on a cordless phone out in your yard on on your patio? Do people get annoyed when people in their own home pick up the phone and carry on a conversation? If not then why do they get annoyed when a stranger is having a conversation on a cell phone in public?
I don't think its the cell phone so much as its people feeling left out. They want to be nosey but can't because they only hear one side. What if 2 people were talking face to face and one was using sign language and the other was speaking out loud. Would the be as annoying to other people around them as a cell phone?
Really? IME, the current solution is to sit there fuming in silence, and then bitch about mobile phones in places like SlashDot...
Seriously, does anyone actually ask nicely in situations like that? What happens? (I don't expect it works every time, but as a matter of manners I think you should probably try it first anyway.)
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Yes, that is probably what I am, but I dislike seeing people on cell phone at times because my initial reaction is: Can't you handle SILENCE for even a few minutes?
I am talking about people who are, for example, talking on their cell phone the entire time they are walking around the supermarket. No, they aren't asking what the other person would like to eat. They are saying "Yeah." "What are you watching." "I like vanilla." Meaningless drivel. Are people so afraid of themselves these days that they can't even walk through the supermarket "alone"?
What Would Sutekh Do?
BEEP!
YOU THERE?
BEEP!
WHERE YOU AT?
BEEP!
THE TRAIN!
BEEP!
WHERE?
BEEP!
THE TRAIN!!!
BEEP!
OH, THE TRAIN!
ARRRRGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
And now, Verizon, Sprint, and Cingular are going to introduce it...
the rest is silence...
A colleague of mine once had a sound clip from Monty Python and the Holy Grail for his incoming email notification that would work well as a ringtone...
"THWOK (sound of message bearing arrow piercing soldier's chest), Message for you, Sir! THUD."
...is Jacob Nielsen. Sorry to say that, but being someone who does web design and web related programming for a living I have to say the guy's a complete moron in anything he claims to be an expert in.
The fact that a large bunch of wannabe usability and 'information design' experts hail him as the cream-of-the-web-crop doesn't make things better.
Go ahead and mod me down - it just had to be said.
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The other side to the coin is those who take it way too far. I was in the library the other day and I saw the sign very clearly informing me that this was a "No Cell Phone Zone". I whip out my cell phone and set it to vibrate, so that in the event that I get an important call, I can step out of the library and take it. No sooner do I have the phone out of my pocket when I am attacked by a cell phone nazi (CPN)...a conversation ensues:
CPN: [gruffly] You're not supposed to have those on here!
Me: [matter of factly] I know, I'm turning it off right now..
CPN: [frustrated] No, you don't understand..you can't have that on in here!!
Me: [strained] Yes, I know..I saw the sign, and I'm turning it off right now. I had forgotten..
CPN: [proudly] I turn my phone off before I even walk in..
Me: [beginning of an indignancy] Good for you! I forgot..haven't been to the library for a little while. My bad..
CPN: [angrily] YOU CANT HAVE THAT ON IN HERE!
Me: [dumbfounded] Uh...
CPN: You know, you can't even have them on at a gas station anymore!
Me: I have to go now..
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