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Big Screen for NYPD

Roland Piquepaille writes "With millions of emergency calls every year, the New York City Police Department (NYPD) decided to invest in a new command and visualization center in order to keep up with the ocean of data it has to deal with. According to this article from BusinessWeek Online, the display system consists of hundreds of Mitsubishi digital light-processing (DLP) monitors covering three walls. The NYPD thinks it will help it to also manage the hundreds of thousands of annual arrest records and to further reduce crime in the city. You'll find more details and references in this overview, which includes impressive pictures of former visualization centers built by Imtech, which will integrate the NYPD one."

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  1. Supplier? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And they got all this from NEC for only $567 billion.

    1. Re:Supplier? by aldoman · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ironically, they got it from Mitsubishi, who is the Mitsubishi in NEC-Mitsubishi, which do all of Mitsubishi's display products - so most likely they are actually getting this from a NEC division...

    2. Re:Supplier? by MrYotsuya · · Score: 1

      That's not ironic.

  2. How dare they? by tomstdenis · · Score: 5, Funny

    Spend money to improve public services!?!?! The animals!!

    This is why democracy doesn't work... ;-)

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    1. Re:How dare they? by Spetiam · · Score: 1

      But spending money to turn a city police station into a war room for day to day operations? I know it's crime-ridden New York city and all, but this is beginning to get ridiculous. If they actually need to fund the police that heavily, they have bigger problems than public service deficiencies. Like this one: they're looking less like a democracy and more like a police state... ;o)

      Maybe if they would stop nailing people to the wall for protecting themselves against crime (N.B., there are quite a few other examples of NYC persecuting self defense), there wouldn't be this "need" to make a war room.

      Not trying to pick on you, tomstdenis, I'm just saying.
    2. Re:How dare they? by NickV · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't call the Safest Large City in America (of 10 largest cities in America) "crime-ridden." In fact, looking at what technically is considered a city (greater than 100,000 pop), NYC ranks 211 out of 230 in the country (higher number is better.)

      New York City fights crime better than any other city in America. The fact that at 8 million people, it's safer than most cities of 100,000 people is amazing.

    3. Re:How dare they? by cosmo7 · · Score: 2

      New York isn't crime-ridden. In terms of offenses the city comes 23rd in the largest 25 cities in the US.

      Which is probably why New York's finest are usually busy issuing tickets to pregnant women for sitting down, bar owners for allowing dancing, seniors in the park feeding pigeons, or for that most heinous of crimes, sitting on milk crates.

    4. Re:How dare they? by tsm_sf · · Score: 1

      New York City fights crime better than any other city in America.

      A light rainfall creates runnels down my cowl, to pool silently at the base of my cloak as I gaze down upon my charge. Yes, the city of Gotham is well defended tonight.

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    5. Re:How dare they? by NickV · · Score: 1

      Slashdot added a space between the 2 and the 9, did you notice that? Let me try again: here now.

      Better? I guess it's more convenient now that the link works.

    6. Re:How dare they? by NickV · · Score: 1

      Nope.

      It's even safer now than in 1997. By a LARGE margin.

      Thank you. Come again.

    7. Re:How dare they? by NickV · · Score: 1
      It wasn't the Mayor. It was the FBI. You know, the FBI?

      Man, I don't even know why I'm justifying a troll with a response but:

      The Actual FBI Report

      Some more stories.

      If you don't want to read the actual report, some facts from it:

      - Overall crime decreased 5.8% in all five boroughs, while the national average drop was 0.5%

      - Most of the crime reduction came from a huge decrease in property crimes, such as auto thefts; violent crime was down by 6.9% in NYC, compared to a 6.5% decrease in cities over 9 million, while NYC's property crime decreased 5.4%, with other 9M+ cities experiencing just a 1% drop.

      - NYC's police force is the largest (37,000 members) and has the most cops per capita (one officer per every 215 residents), at a cost of $5 billion a year.

      So how about that as actual facts? The FBI (headquarted in DC), and CNN (headquarted in Atlanta), are some other sources... still calling "bullshit" troll? Or do you have some other links?
  3. NYRAD? by ErnstKompressor · · Score: 4, Funny

    NORAD eat your heart out...

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  4. I hope... by Cytlid · · Score: 4, Funny

    ..it doesn't run Windows... else they might see..

    ... ok ready to groan on a Sunday morning? ...

    ... I almost can't type it ...

    ... Get ready for a +5, Bad Pun...

    ... NYPD Blue Screen.

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    1. Re:I hope... by AbbyNormal · · Score: 1

      Yes, but would that become ...The THIN blue line?

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    2. Re:I hope... by dont_think_twice · · Score: 1

      NYPD Blue Screen.

      Would that be called The Blue Wall of Silence ?

  5. OT - its a joke, giggle by Stevyn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes! Now I can hack into the police station and have the screens all say "Napster" or "Nurv is evil" just like in the movies. All I need is the video of Gates using and praising KDE running on Linux 2.6.7-rc2 while his henchmen rough up Linus. Best part is, I can do it through telnet. God hacking is so easy and gui based!

  6. Something I've always wonders about these displays by Eevee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What exactly is the advantage over having, say, four or so monitors on a desk? Since the people are sitting pretty far away from the wall display, wouldn't you be only getting an effective resolution about a tenth (or less, depending on distance) of what you'd have from being right in front of the display?

  7. Lower Crime? by nuclear305 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How exactly does a new wall of monitors lower crime?
    Are these monitors secured to the wall in some new way to prevent theft?

    All joking aside, how does this lower crime? If a Bigger, Better display helps lower crime, doesn't that imply that they are currently allowing things to slip through the cracks because they can't manage their data?

    1. Re:Lower Crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You don't think they have trouble managing their data?

      The statute of limitations for rape is 5 goddamn years in part because of all the data that needs to be retained. Many different precints have files on different rapists that years later are proven to be the same perp.

    2. Re:Lower Crime? by sjalex · · Score: 2, Informative

      yeah, it does imply that things are slipping through the cracks, that's why they are spending money on this, at least that's the obvious reason on the face of this. Imtech appears to have lots of Homeland Security contracts as well as a GSA contract so I think there is probably a bigger story behind all this, but in a nutshell you are correct sir. Incidentally it looks like Imtech is using some pretty nifty DLP displays from Mitsubishi, the DLP part is from TI: DLP.com

    3. Re:Lower Crime? by ChadAmberg · · Score: 1

      Why, this will allow the police commissioner to go before the community leaders and show them "The BIG PICTURE" of the city. The police can keep a big eye on everything. The money was well spent, they will be told.
      Lets see. This is better how than a few more cops on the beat? I think they have been watching too much Sci-Fi

    4. Re:Lower Crime? by bman08 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The guys in the precinct are still filing their paperwork with a typewriter and carbon paper! There are tons of ways to use technology to improve the way a PD runs, this seems like something of an uneven distribution of screen realestate.

    5. Re:Lower Crime? by telstar · · Score: 1

      It let's them keep the season finale of 'Friends' on one screen while crime stats stream by in another window ... otherwise they would've had to use BitTorrent to download the finale from the web, and we all know that's just wrong ... Crime averted! The terrorists don't win.

    6. Re:Lower Crime? by Xoro · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In the 1990s, the NYPD developed an intensely data-driven style of policing centered around a program called CompStat, which basically tracks crimes and their locations, times, etc. This allows the police to see where things are heating up and deploy more and better-targeted resources to the area. It's been extremely effective, and crime has dropped about 60-70%.

      Obviously, visualization tools mix well with this kind of system, but why a big board? One possible answer is that there is a whole culture of public accountability that goes along with CompStat -- local commanders are called in to group meetings and are expected to know the figures for their area and discuss plans for dealing with them. When you get a group talking about the same visual data, a shared image is really helpful. Since the idea seems to mesh well with the culture, and the culture has been successful, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

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    7. Re:Lower Crime? by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hey, you should go read up on COMPSTAT, the computerized crime-tracking tool the NYPD implemented under Rudy. I'm sure it cost at least a dozen cops' salaries worth of technology, but it was instrumental in driving down the crime rate, and now it's being implemented by many other cities, not just in America, but around the world. In short: yes, making information easy to access and read can be just as effective as hiring cops at reducing crime.

    8. Re:Lower Crime? by RickHunter · · Score: 1

      Also, it should be pointed out that seeing stuff on your computer screen isn't quite the same. This board lets them display a hell of a lot more data at once and, possibly more importantly, lets a whole lot of people see it at once. Anyone who's used a whiteboard knows how useful having such a thing for scribbling on can be when discussing. I suspect having these walls of data will be an important way for sharing information for the people who actually have to analyse it.

    9. Re:Lower Crime? by josh3736 · · Score: 1
      Well, you know the whole thing is well and good until they get bored and hook up a DVD player to it.

      Hmm... /me starts thinking about joining the NYPD!

    10. Re:Lower Crime? by stephanruby · · Score: 1
      In the 1990s, the NYPD developed an intensely data-driven style of policing centered around a program called CompStat, which basically tracks crimes and their locations, times, etc. This allows the police to see where things are heating up and deploy more and better-targeted resources to the area. It's been extremely effective, and crime has dropped about 60-70%.

      How do you know the drop was due to CompStat and not to Giulani's controversial law enforcement practices?
      http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm
      http://politicalgraveyard.com/geo/NY/ofc/newyork.h tml

  8. Looks like by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Funny

    The only thing left for them to do is beef up security around the WOPR.

    1. Re:Looks like by segvio · · Score: 1

      I can't believe this got modded Insightful, I find that +1 Funny.

    2. Re:Looks like by d474 · · Score: 1

      Beefed up, huh? How about screwed up? We did all that, and he broke in again.

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  9. The District? by Hiigara · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Anyone remember that show? Some guy took over as the chief of the Washington DC Capital district and enacted major changes. The police department used a huge real time statistics tracking system and displayed it on a huge display. I think the idea was kind of revolutionary to the average joe like me; but I don't know if police were using a system like that before then.

    I wouldn't mind seeing systems like this implimentated in say, elected public offices to keep track of opinion areas, ethnic densities, crime rates, poll results, average pay. etc. To help them keep better tabs on what they need to improve and how to vote on what bill.

    Oh, did I mention I plan on making a run or two for public office? :D

    1. Re:The District? by iphayd · · Score: 1

      If you are serious, you don't understand the intent of our system of government. Of course, neither do any of the politicians in office today.

      I am not voting for you so that you can take a poll and see what the majority want and vote accordingly. If that were the case, we should go to a full democracy and get rid of the bureaucracy in the middle.

      I am voting for you because I feel you are the best candidate to make the best decisions for your constituents, despite their feelings. If politicians did their job better, instead of listening to polls and lobbyists, we would be in much better shape than we are today.

    2. Re:The District? by DarkHelmet · · Score: 1
      I wouldn't mind seeing systems like this implimentated in say, elected public offices to keep track of opinion areas, ethnic densities, crime rates, poll results, average pay. etc. To help them keep better tabs on what they need to improve and how to vote on what bill.

      Thing is, typically the public views it that if you're spending large amounts of money on the police, that you're doing something to improve the community.

      On the other hand, if you're spending large amounts of money on the elected officials, lots of the public will view it as waste.

      As good as it is to know basic information about how people feel in your area, running your election / post based on opinion polls doesn't work. The moment public opinion changes on any issue, you'll be seen as a flip-flip with no sense of integrity.

      When you run for office, you pretty much have to put all your viewpoints on the table already. You need a platform to run on. And all that research about opinion, etc should be done *before* you run, at the expense of you, not the taxpayer ;)

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    3. Re:The District? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1
      I wouldn't mind seeing systems like this implimentated in say, elected public offices to keep track of opinion areas, ethnic densities, crime rates, poll results, average pay.
      It'll be like playing SimCity *grin*.

      I think it's a seriously bad idea though. I think that if a system like this would be installed in city government officials and the like, they'd spend the whole day staring at the screen, and making quick fixes to address small local problems. They might be able to spot trends and see the larger picture as well, but I fear they would start fighting symptons rather than the causes (even more than they do nowadays).

      A 'SimCity' government might look at the screen and see growing waiting lists in Health Care. So, naturally they decide to build a few more hospitals and increase funding to the existing ones. Well... the waiting lists is a current problem in our country right now, but no one is fighting or even finding the real cause (hint: it isn't the amount of money we spend). In fact, the entire system of accounting in health care is set up with one goal in mind: to allow the minister of health to oversee the state and expenses in health care at a glance, and tweak the settings as apropriate. Sim City all over again, in other words.

      This might be a good system for more real-time applications, like crime fighting.
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    4. Re:The District? by LibrePensador · · Score: 1

      Would you care to explain what you mean by the term ethnic density? The way that you have that term preceding crime rates makes me a little cautious about what you would do with the data, but I will withhold jumping to conclusions.

      Do you mean the racial distribution of the population? If so, why the fuck is this important? And anyway, this kind of info can be gotten easily via standard sociological research with greater accuracy and less expense.

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  10. Think Ahead by SEWilco · · Score: 2, Funny
    And with its many uses, the first use of this single room will be to untangle the scheduling needs of all the staff who need to use the room, one person at a time.

    Except when the entire staff uses it at once, to monitor for problems on the field of play of major sporting events.

  11. Re:Another link by Fjornir · · Score: 1

    What, exactly, was the point of that, sir?

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  12. Re:Something I've always wonders about these displ by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It means that everyone is reading from the same page - yes, everyone does still have their own monitor, but no matter what task each individual is performing, the main overview is displayed on the wall.

    Besides, it looks good.

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  13. Hey... by bigchris · · Score: 1

    ... kind of reminds me of SimCity, where you can pull up a graph of the city and work out where crime "hotspots" are.

    1. Re:Hey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      kind of reminds me of SimCity, where you can pull up a graph of the city and work out where crime "hotspots" are.

      The solution for these "hotspots" in SimCity is to destroy them and build nice parks instead. Harlem is still standing, so I can safely say that nobody in charge of NYC plays SimCity, unfortunately.

  14. The big rooms actually exist by h_jurvanen · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought that these huge rooms with huge video screens were just in movies, but one time as part of my job I went to visit a mobile telephone network operator, and I was surprised to see that their NOC was exactly like that. Our guide said that the big screens are, in practice, mostly used to show DVDs during the night shift.

  15. And when will this happen? by timgoh0 · · Score: 1

    When will they introduce a sensor embedded glove for use with manipulating data on these screens? Data of, say, videos of murders happening in the near future?

  16. Big Picture? by beachplum · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is just my extrapolation, but maybe there is a productivity and teamwork benefit to having a lot of people looking together at one thing, like the use of a projector in a meeting room, rather than the individuals all having access to the same information by themselves. Might be a mental thing rather than a resolution thing.

  17. Kubrick flashback! by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I... I don't know exactly how to put this, sir, but are you aware of what a serious breach of security that would be? I mean, he'll see everything, he'll... he'll see the Big Board!"

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    1. Re:Kubrick flashback! by sjalex · · Score: 1

      Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!

    2. Re:Kubrick flashback! by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

      Mein Fuehrer! sorry.. Mr President.

      (Seems to apply to bush too - he was comparing iraq to ww2 the other day)

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  18. Most commonly heard quote on system launch day by telstar · · Score: 3, Funny

    "This is a UNIX system ... I know this!"

    1. Re:Most commonly heard quote on system launch day by laejoh · · Score: 1, Funny

      No No No,

      Main screen turn on!!!

  19. Viewing the Wrong Way by tintruder · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Perhaps the public would be better served if the screens were placed on the outside of the buildings, looking inward at what is going on in government.

    The magnitude of the fraud, waste and abuse so rampant throughout government pursuing boondoggles like this is endless, and the excuse is always some "Sound Bite Focused" explanation that "It's for the Children", "It's for the fight against terrorism", or some other thinly veiled B.S. intended to take ever more tax money from citizens and waste it on needless government programs.

    A smaller example of this was in Portland, OR where the police needed an extra quarter million dollars in order to be able to track "Racial Profiling" in traffic stops. Seems that none of the cops were able to record the vital statistics of who they stopped unless they were given Palm Pilots (and all sorts of other alleged I.T. expenses to support them).

    Seems nobody even considered those little paper notebooks and a few boxes of pencils.

    Amazing how the public seems entirely ignorant of the paramilitarization of the police and the resulting "Us against Them" rift that continues to widen.

    The best thing that can be done in the U.S. (Short of Jeffersonian suggestions of periodic revolutions to toss out abusive and tyrannical politicians) would be to cut all government spending and staffing by 25% immediately, and 50% within 5 years.

  20. Woah! by Per+Wigren · · Score: 1

    Just imagine being able to say "Main screen turn on." in THAT place!

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      Main screen turn on!

      Starting Windows 2000...

      We get signal!

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  21. Heh. by SphericalCrusher · · Score: 1

    I think that this is just an overrated excuse just for them to have a big screen to watch rerunds of cops on... o_O

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  22. Demolition Man by Quill345 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Doesn't this remind you of the police station in that movie? Next we'll have tickets automatically being printed out of our parking meters.

  23. Political showpieces and $$ for supporters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I worked years for the IT division of a major city's police department and I can assure you that nothing is a bigger waste of money than such things as visualization systems, etc. These are, as in most politics, a way to pass huge amounts of money to political supporters and friends.

    Any "trends" in criminal activity are located far faster by the cops on the beat than by a computerized system. These guys know their beat like the back of their hand: details that would never be stored in a computer are at their fingertips. They are _extremely_ observant. By the time any "visualization center" knows it has a problem the cops have been on it for hours at least. This is a form of "swarm intelligence": independent agents (police officers) cooperating, exchanging information and coordinating activity. If you impose a hierarchical command structure, the flow of information can be imparied.

    As for "trends": what are you looking for? A 5% increase in convenience store robberies? Day to day police work deals not with statistics but with individual incidents. "Trends" are important, but mostly to politicians and bureaucrats who must fund police work long-term. The police are concerned that someone robbed two Stop N'Go's in the west borough in the last 3 hours, killing 3 people. That's not trend analysis, that's a f'ing problem to be solved quickly.

    There are good uses for statistics and trend analysis in police work, but they don't require a huge realtime display of information - they require only a CRT that can produce a graph or a map and some quiet time for the captains to think about how they will allocate their beat's manpower next month or how they can justify a request for additional manpower for a particular precinct where crime levels are rising year-to-year. This is traditional spreadsheet and database work.

    1. Re:Political showpieces and $$ for supporters by MeerCat · · Score: 1

      I worked years for the IT division of a major city's police department and I can assure you that nothing is a bigger waste of money than such things as visualization systems, etc.

      Some of them maybe, but not all - I just listened to one of the chief analysts from Washington talk about their incident room (it was meant for major incidents only, but then they decided why not use it all the other days too) and how this was a key part of reducing their homicide rate by significant amounts (disclaimer: they're using our software).

      Day to day police does work with incidents, it's true, but crime pattern analysis can be a good way to show those politicians and bureaucrats why and where extra money needs spending.

      The big screens at Washington are used so that they can have dozens of people in the room and not just view a static powerpoint-style presentation, but they can drill-down the data on the fly according to what the major, the chief of police, or anyone else wants to see there and then.

      Anyone doubting the use of visualisation of this sort of information might want to check out reports like this or this

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    2. Re:Political showpieces and $$ for supporters by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Since you seem to be so skeptical about the usefulness of computerized crime tracking technology, I think you might find this article from the Economist an interesting read. I couldn't tell whether it's subscriber-only, so I'll reproduce part of it here:

      CRIME maps, which record the locations of incidents in order to help predict where criminals are going to strike next, are used by police throughout the world. But the past is not always a helpful guide to the future, and a team of criminologists from University College, London, led by Kate Bowers, think they can do better. A test of their new model, unveiled in this month's British Journal of Criminology, suggests it is 30% better at predicting crime than traditional methods.

      It is a cliché to say that crime spreads like a disease, but previous work by Dr Bowers and her colleagues found that this is exactly how crime does spread. Using statistical techniques developed to study the transmission of infections, they found that burglaries cluster in space and time in predictable ways. For example, properties within 400 metres of a burgled home, particularly those on the same side of the road, are at an increased risk of being broken into for up to two months after the initial incident.

      Using these and other findings, the team created algorithms that predict where criminals will strike next, and then used those algorithms to generate "prospective hot-spot maps". These divide an area into 50-metre squares--a level of resolution chosen because 50 metres is a typical line-of-sight for a police officer in an urban area--and give a crime forecast for each square.

      In their paper, Dr Bowers and her colleagues reveal the results of a study of burglaries in Merseyside, in northern England. Using historical data, they pitted their predictive modelling method against two traditional crime-mapping systems. They found that their method successfully "hindcasted" 62-80% of burglaries. The traditional techniques, by contrast, hindcasted only 46% of those incidents.

      Computerized crime tracking technology like COMPSTAT is already helping to make police departments more efficient, focused and accountable in the real world. No, it won't alert you to a Stop'n'Go shooting spree in the last 3 hours, but it does help you clarify the big picture, about where carjackings are becoming more common, which neighborhoods are becoming more robbery-prone, that sort of thing. And that information can be immensely useful to an overworked precinct with limited resources (overtime, etc.) to do their jobs.

      I'm not defending this expensive realtime display covering three walls of a command center, but I don't think the facts justify your skepticism about the use of trend-finding in police work.

    3. Re:Political showpieces and $$ for supporters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      Perhaps I was too broad in my original post - it's not the visualization systems per se that are not useful in police work - we used many during my stint with police IT - but the use of large, real-time visualization of ongoing events in centers with hundreds of staff.

      I respect your honesty in stating that you work for a vendor. I was a specialist in Geographical Information systems and have very deep experience in that field. Nonetheless when I analyzed the utility of GIS for police work I came up largely empty-handed. Not a single official or officer could come up with a good proactive use of the technology. Now remember that I wanted this to be useful: I was initially an advocate of this technology. But my conclusions didn't prevent higher-ups from purchasing multi-million dollar systems (most are still present today but unused) however. There is a gee-whiz aspect to GIS that causes police officials to say to themselves "Wow this looks so great, there must be some way we can use it." But sober analysis does not support the use of GIS in police work for real-time intervention. Again, it is useful for the usual statistical analysis: but it won't tell officers anything they don't already know. And there is much that they know that is not captured in any computer system.

      Now a command center is a good thing because it helps coordinate police activity in special events and when trying to corral suspects, but such a center only needs a simple map display that shows where police units and incidents are. It doesn't need a wall of displays or 100's of personnel doing statistical analysis realtime.

      Nonetheless, be assured that, without such a central command unit, police units would still very quickly coordinate their actions using their peer-to-peer communications systems (walkie-talkies, cellphones, etc.) and provide the same level or better of coordination. I've seen it happen over and over again.

      Mapping display systems are fine and good, but they're no better than a pin map on a wall. And well before you do any computation, the detectives in the precinct are on top of the situation. So IOW any useful analysis is post-incident and useful mostly for post-mortem analysis of "crime trends".

      The big systems are merely showpieces for politicos and money troughs for contractors.

    4. Re:Political showpieces and $$ for supporters by MeerCat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps I was too broad in my original post - it's not the visualization systems per se that are not useful in police work - we used many during my stint with police IT - but the use of large, real-time visualization of ongoing events in centers with hundreds of staff.

      I'd agree largely with that - my background was GIS too (census data on chloropleth maps - I wrote Supermap back in the 80's that replaced mainframes with a PC and a CD-ROM drive) and while our law enforcement products will hook in to GIS systems, geographic data is often too complex to let you see true trends (is that a cluster of car thefts in a car park, or is it something to do with the pub down the road, and are those 5 street robberies that appear to be in different locations in fact linked by the fact that they all occur in blind alleys etc.). The Washington room was handy because apparently the mayor loved to ask questions like "well, it would be nice to see the muggings in that area broken down by the day of week and time of day", and whereas they used to have to go off and prepare that for the next week, they can now do it instantly and show the results there and then to an audience of a dozen or so people who can make decisions about what to do now (ie actionable intelligence). And the room in DC was built for maybe 10 or 20 "special incident joint command days" a year, so the police department figured they might as well get some use out of it the other 350 or so days -- they'd say they weren't wasting money but were making use of an idle resource.

      To your other points, analysts in Law Enforcement are very different to ordinary officers, and it's true that a lot of their work is analysing events, networks and relationships after an incident, but there is a distinct move towards pro-active analysis too (especially in Homeland Security, COMPSTAT, and a number of UK initiatives).

      The main software we sell is link analysis and association and time visualisation tools for analysing commodity flows in fraud, criminal networks etc - very much the analysis after the event and not, as you point out, real-time intervention. It was used for serial killers, the Washington snipers, the LoveBig virus, the Concorde crash, the Soham murders, the Australian BackPackers killer... but to analyse, identify, catch and convict the felons (of course it's very hard to show how you stopped a crime happening, but catching and convicting people earlier is one way).

      Oxford Street in London is covered with CCTV and the control room that monitors that can spot pickpockets and the like and radio directly to officers on the street, but I understand that control room is about half a dozen officers and 20 or so normal TV screens.... and of course the big brother aspect of that is making plenty of people nervous already.

      But I do take your point (you're very polite for an AC) -- the lure of technology is often hard for police departments to resist, when sometimes simpler, less sexy, pragmatic use of money could render better results but less headlines.

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    5. Re:Political showpieces and $$ for supporters by dasdrewid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Scenario: I rob two Stop N'Go's on the East side of town. Run in with a shotgun, shoot the guy behind the desk, exact same MO both times. Now, I hear sirens. I jump a train to the West side and hit another Shop N'Go in the same fashion. I live up north, so I start heading that way. I hit another Stop N' Go on the way. 4 identical crimes in 3 different parts of the city.

      Purely using your swarm intelligence, how long do you think it would be before someone said "Hey, let's see if someone in another part of the city had a crime just like this?" I'd say quite awhile.

      Now, with our "Big Board," as soon as police get on the scene, they send in to central that a Stop N' Go got hit and the clerk got his head blown off by a 12 guage. Now, when four points show up on the map like that, that look exactly the same, one of those guys in the command room is gonna say "DAAAMN!!" and give a call to the units investigating the crimes to tell them to talk to the other units.

      Now, instead of 3 units investigating the 4 crimes seperately, we have 1 unit who has access to all the crimes and all the evidence collected at the crimes. That leaves 2 units free to get donu^H^H^H^H investigate other crimes.

      You have more experience in this field, so maybe you're right. But from perspective, I see visualization centers like this as a good thing, assuming getting the info for it doesn't put too much a burden on the streetcops.

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    6. Re:Political showpieces and $$ for supporters by mlvlvr · · Score: 1

      I worked for 3 years in the display industry where it was generally accepted that such large visualization systems were feel good systems either for senior management or for customers, but not for the people sitting in front of them.

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    7. Re:Political showpieces and $$ for supporters by MeerCat · · Score: 1

      most crime occurs spontaneously in the form of 1 or two persons performing criminal actions. [...] GIS in proactive police work is in the same state as "profiling"

      That doesn't stop patterns from appearing where the same opportunity occurs multiple times (muggings in dark alleys, bag snatchings in high streets, iPod thefts near universitys etc.), the study of the locations of the 300 odd gun related homicides in Washington revealed some interesting patterns not in terms of the absolute location where they occurred, but where they occurred with respect to the home and work locations of the individuals... even if they all involved different people, a pattern can still prove useful to reduce the future incidents.

      But yep, I largely agree with you... true analysis is normally done after the event. GIS work is mostly used to analyse crimes after the event, and this doesn't need big war rooms. And having spoken with the real psychologists who work with police, they say their work is nothing like the TV and movies, but is largely studying suspects, helping with interview strategies for difficult individuals... profiling is, like you say, not much used for prediction, but more for analysing a crime scene and individuals (does the scene look like it was prepared for a murder, were the tools already prepared there, or does it look like the murder just happened there).

      Thank you for the comment about being a polite AC. I now see the problem with being an AC: anyone else can post under AC too!-)) My apologies: I'll get an account.

      Let me know when you do, you sound interesting enough a developer to add to the friends and foes things. That's one of the other benefits of being signed in...

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  24. Multiplayer Halo by neuro.slug · · Score: 1

    In this case, I wouldn't be complaining about having to squint at a quarter of the screen.

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  25. Something similar in U.K. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here's an example, with a similar picture - 60-feet wall of monitors:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2070312.stm

    We're now living in a Big Brother world, aren't we? Of course, if it helps catching criminals, then so be it.

    1. Re:Something similar in U.K. by ecc0 · · Score: 1
      We're now living in a Big Brother world, aren't we? Of course, if it helps catching criminals, then so be it.

      You do realize that this type of thinking is exactly what enables leaders to take more and more steps towards an actual Big Brother society? Say you use it to catch criminals, then move on to other, less innocuous uses...

  26. Using it by isorox · · Score: 1

    The only way to activate it is by saying "Main Screen Turn On".

    You can blame the poll.

  27. Ah, that's the thing. by Eevee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the images shown in the links, and from the limited experience I've seen of them in person, they aren't looking at the same thing. There's five or six different things being displayed (and a monitor showing CNN because the boss thinks it's neat) that have nothing to do with each other. If the people only use a small portion of what's being displayed (or don't really use it at all), it's a pretty expensive toy.

    Now if the display was one 'thing'--for example, a wide area network status with some of the monitors devoted to a map showing the links, while others showed statistics--then I see the value. And I'm sure there are places using them in just this way; is it just that people showing off the multi-monitor displays feel a need to be flashy with ten different things being displayed, then go back to a boring yet practical application?

  28. You too can have the same effect for less. by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    You can do the same with a couple of PC projectors.

    I set up a network management center this way with scotty. Course it goes through loads of lamps.

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  29. Where I live by eric76 · · Score: 2, Informative

    If they did that where I live, they could get by with a 5 inch diagonal screen mounted on a wall.

    Of course, that's not going to happen. We don't have much in the way of crime -- our biggest problem is usually someone failing to stop at a stop sign.

    The sheriff's department usually only comes out for funerals. One time, rather than drive out to check something out, they saved the trip out by asking me if I could look into it and let them know if there was anything they needed to worry about.

  30. Usefull by PktLoss · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I really think this could come in usefull to help corelate seperate calls faster, especially since many operators may be handling calls in the same area and not even know it. One quick look at the screen and you can see a series of disturbance calls moving in a line, or a growing cicrle.

  31. Re:Slacktime by Nurseman · · Score: 3, Informative
    In crime infested New York, police plays GTA while on duty!

    Actually, New York City has one of the lowest crime rates of ANY big city in the USA. See This Link for more info. We do a lot of problems here, but NYPD has reducing crime every single year for over 20 years.

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  32. Crime will find a way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The only way to reduce crime is by educational, economic, and cultural means, not by taking police state measures.

    Look at Japan.

    1. Re:Crime will find a way by Orne · · Score: 1

      All well in good, in 20 years you will reduce crime. Though, if I want to reduce crime in the short term, I'd start by doing what Japan is doing in the short term:

      "... Persons violating Japanese law, even unknowingly, may be expelled, arrested or imprisoned. ... In most drug cases, suspects are detained incommunicado, which bars them from receiving visitors or corresponding with anyone other than a lawyer or U.S. consular officer until after indictment, which may take as long as several months. Persons arrested in Japan, even for a minor offense, may be held in detention without bail for many weeks during the investigation and legal proceedings. "

      Or, A spate of juvenile crimes over the past two years has prompted Japan's government to propose a new bill that would lower the criminal punishment age from 16 years to 14 years old.

  33. Re:In case of slashdot... by tvh2k · · Score: 1

    haha my bad...simple oversight

  34. Burger King by tepples · · Score: 1

    Watch a Burger King workaurant get robbed, and you'll see how insightful beefing up the security around the Whopper can be.

  35. CS by dasdrewid · · Score: 1

    Oh dear lord. I wanna break in and play the world's sweetest game of CounterStrike. Screw AimBots, I really *will* be able to see people on the other side of the map.

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  36. SimCity? :) by kyoorius · · Score: 2, Funny

    This would kick ass for SimCity except they are playing with a real city. Perhaps if they practiced with Sim first...

  37. Re:Lower Crime? ANSWER: by d474 · · Score: 1

    While it might be true to say that "Crime Doesn't Pay", it certainly "Justifies Bigger Budgets."

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  38. I've got a better idea... by d474 · · Score: 1

    Why don't the White House, CIA, FBI, NSA, OHS and the rest of the Sesame Street gang create a centralized inter-agency data-exchange center with a screen like this 3 times the size of a friggin' IMAX theater so they can begin to effectively improve their state of being on the "same damn page"? Hey, if bigger is better, like Starsky said, "Do It. DO it."

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  39. Built by Imtech huh? by rtphokie · · Score: 1

    I wonder if Bill Lumberg will be working on this project? That would be terrific.

    1. Re:Built by Imtech huh? by proverbialcow · · Score: 1

      He is. Didn't you get that memo?

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  40. Wow, larger-than-life pr0n by sydbarrett74 · · Score: 1

    The subject says it all...

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  41. The Rest of The Story by boatboy · · Score: 1

    ...The new transparent monitor and petabyte storage facilities will require operators using special gestures to retrieve and review suspect information. In addition, the facilities will house four expiremental clairvoyants who have the ability to visualize murders before they occur. Potential murderers will be tried under New York's new precrime laws.

  42. Initech? by sharkey · · Score: 1

    Didn't that burn down?

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  43. The reason they show CNN... by Radi-0-head · · Score: 1

    If you run a large data center, and shit hits the fan, CNN could quite possibly be your first notification of the issue. Being aware of service-affecting events gives you an opportuinty to take proactive/corrective action, and mitigate downtime.

    A place I worked actually had a meeting about this when we designed our data center.

    And yes, it does also look cool.

  44. This futuristic war room will look good on TV by stephanruby · · Score: 1
    This reminds me of all those LCD screens shown in the background of those stock market news shows. It gives an illusion of authority, credibility, and control. I expect that many interviews and press conferences will be given in front of this war room.

    Now, if we could only staff this war room with a bunch of good looking out-of-work actors and a couple of embedded journalists, then we would be all set and New York would be ready for just about anything.