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New Viruses Hit 30-Month High

Mz6 writes "InformationWeek reports that Sophos has analysed and protected against 959 new viruses in May, this is the highest number of new viruses discovered in a single month since December 2001. From Sophos' own TopTen list they continue on to say that the 'Sasser and Netsky worms may have captured the headlines. ...May has seen a noticeable spike in cybercriminal activity, suggesting that even the arrest of Sven Jaschan ...has done nothing to curb the problem.'"

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  1. Too bad by frankmanowar · · Score: 5, Funny

    That Sophos antivirus has the somewhat incredible problem of not being able to remove and clean viruses on an infected host... but hey, at least we know they're there.

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    1. Re:Too bad by Sloppy · · Score: 1, Insightful
      It amazes me that anyone thinks they can remove (or even detect) viruses while running in a known compromised environment.

      The only way to be safe from viruses, is to never catch them. Anyone who needs antivirus software to protect or even diagnose their machine, is doomed before they start.

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    2. Re:Too bad by rtt · · Score: 1

      With regards to the last sentence - What an absolute load of rubbish.

    3. Re:Too bad by docbrazen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Other anti-virus programs, like the open source ClamAV, can not disinfect files. According to them: "cleaning viruses from files is virtually pointless these days. It is very seldom that there is anything useful left after cleaning, and even if there is, would you trust it?"

    4. Re:Too bad by Shardis · · Score: 2, Funny

      Anyone who needs antivirus software to protect or even diagnose their machine, is doomed before they start. (emphasis mine)

      Is that like they theory that if you drink too much and don't remember, you can insist that the previous night's events never happened?

      I've had nights like those...

      Very sloppy...um...Sloppy.

    5. Re:Too bad by suriv · · Score: 1

      Graham Cluely... what can I say about a guy who gets off to anything said about him, no matter what? He flaunts the virii Gigabyte has written about him though they're not in the wild. He's Joe Expert, which many people buy because the yob is quoted everywhere. Sophos is sophomoronic!I could go on, but why?

    6. Re:Too bad by Sloppy · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Is that like they theory that if you drink too much and don't remember, you can insist that the previous night's events never happened?
      No, it's like the theory that when you're drunk, you may not be the best person to drunk how judge you are.
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    7. Re:Too bad by Cruciform · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You must be a proctologist. I've never seen anyone else with their head so far up their ass before.

      Lots of people use antivirus software for the simple purpose of scanning files introduced to their machine BEFORE they are executed, viewed, etc.

      And guess what? They're not doomed. Well, technically death comes for us all, but you actually CAN use antivirus software effectively without being relegated to the realm of the imbecile.

      If someone believes a single antivirus package is the be-all, end-all of virus prevention, then they're in trouble simply because they're cloaked by a false sense of security.

      On the other hand, a user who is conscientious about the code run on their machine, even if the OS isn't one of the most secure, is better off scanning then not.

    8. Re:Too bad by cubic6 · · Score: 1

      Plenty of viruses don't completely mangle the files they infect. Even if they did, I'm amazed they can take such a view of my data. If a virus somehow manages to infect an important file, I want every single fucking option they can give me to fix that file. I don't care if there's only a 1% chance it'll work, I wanna try it. Just because a feature is "very seldom" useful doesn't mean that you should exclude it on principle. To the people whose systems are affected, it's very useful indeed. That kind of philosophy means that even if it's simple to remove a particular virus from a file, I get to pop open my hex editor and salvage what I can. More likely, I'll choose to use a virus scanner that actually does what I expect it to be able to do.

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    9. Re:Too bad by ThePilgrim · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think your information is seriously out of date.
      Sophos Anti-Virus has been capable of disinfecting virus infections for years.

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    10. Re:Too bad by dmaxwell · · Score: 1

      It seems that most viruses anymore are really just trojans. If you "cleaned" them, there wouldn't be anything left. In any case, ClamAV's primary use seems to be in milters. I use it in a mail filter machine and I have it set to reject infected mail out of hand. If the sender was trying to send something legitimate then he needs to have his machine cleaned. I have problems enough protecting the machines I'm responsible for.

    11. Re:Too bad by igw · · Score: 2, Informative

      ......That Sophos antivirus has the somewhat incredible problem of not being able to remove and clean viruses on an infected host......

      Actually having worked with Sophos for a few years I can tell you that it can remove viruses quite well, what you are referring to is a message that the end-user gets when a virus is discovered (the administrator also gets this message), that says "No action has been taken".

      This is the default behavior and can be configured differently, because Sophos is a corporate AV tool its not very wise to empower end users with deleting files and editing the registry, the administrator is informed of virus/location etc., and can take action (using Sophos which can disinfect, or any of the downloadable tools to clean up the registry, stop process etc.)

      An AV product which can't do anything when a virus is discovered, would be a silly idea if you think about it, bit like pushing your car everywhere because you didn't know about the engine.

    12. Re:Too bad by m.h.2 · · Score: 1

      IMO, that's what backups are for. Seriously, once a file has been compromised in any way, it's forever suspect. AV s/w is best at identifying and stopping malware, and realistically, that's all *I* want it to do. If I end up with damaged files, then I can revert to my backups. If I don't have a good backup, then shame on me.

    13. Re:Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      death comes for us all

      Oh....you play Neverwinter Nights too?

    14. Re:Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes great product! It also relies on windows networking or email to notify you that a machine is infected.

    15. Re:Too bad by jonfelder · · Score: 1

      Why not delete infected files and restore from backup? That's what backups are for.

      I understand your point of view, but I think it's pretty silly to add features to a product that will only work 1% of the time.

      If you get in a situation where you are relying on a 1% chance of saving your ass, you've done something wrong. It's unreasonable at that point to expect someone is going to bail you out.

    16. Re:Too bad by cubic6 · · Score: 1

      " Why not delete infected files and restore from backup? That's what backups are for."

      Backups are great, but they are out of date the second you change the file after a backup is made. If I can press a button and there's a 1% chance that I'll get the file back good-as-new, I'll take that chance. Best case, it works and I go back to work. Worst case, it doesn't work and I try plan #2.

      "I think it's pretty silly to add features to a product that will only work 1% of the time."

      In any other situation, I'd agree with this statement. However, data recovery is a situation where your product can't afford to ignore a situation where any recovery is possible. True, you don't rely only on a virus program's recovery, similar to how you don't rely only on backups or proactive virus scanning. It's just another thing to try when restoring from backup would result in data loss. Yes, it's a bad situation, and it's much better to avoid. However, it happens in the real world. Try explaining to your boss that there was something else you could've tried to get that critical data back, but you didn't bother since there was only a 1% chance that it would've worked. 1% chance is better than 0%, which is what you'd have without that feature. If you're in that situation, then the thing you did wrong was using that software in the first place.

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    17. Re:Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm. This sounds very familiar....

  2. Yeah, but... by Mz6 · · Score: 4, Funny
    as was stated in many after school specials back in my day...

    "Kowing is half the battle!"

    On a totally unrelated note.. is it bad when you post comments to your own stories?

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    1. Re:Yeah, but... by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Knowing is half the battle" may be have been used in an after-school special, but was more popularly known as the catch phrase at the end of episodes of the GI Joe cartoon from the 1980s.

      This website has a list of the ends of these episodes where this phrase is used.

    2. Re:Yeah, but... by darkain · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Kowing is half the battle!"

      the other half is killing.

    3. Re:Yeah, but... by rsmith-mac · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Not surprisingly, it was also used for Transformers' PSAs. They basically removed the Joe, put in an Autobot, and had a PSA they could slap on the end of an episode of Transformers. For anyone curious, I don't think these are on the Transformers box sets, but there are a few included with the Transformers PS2 game.

    4. Re:Yeah, but... by Saratoga+C++ · · Score: 1

      um... you mean GI Joe?

    5. Re:Yeah, but... by Syberghost · · Score: 1

      On a totally unrelated note.. is it bad when you post comments to your own stories?

      My policy (listen to me, one whole story accepted and I have a "policy") is to only reply if they find or allege a serious error or omission in the story.

  3. Of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... the school semester ends in May. What are all those CS graduates supposed to do in between being rejected for an interview and filling in a McDonald's application!

    1. Re:Of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on, it isn't that hard.

    2. Re:Of course... by Kithraya · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Your comment sort of does make me think about how many of these new threats/problems are being produced simply because some CS graduate is having a hard time finding that $100,000 a year job and is looking to stick it to the society that fooled him into banking his future on IT...?

    3. Re:Of course... by PacoTaco · · Score: 1

      Well, at least one. Don't ask me how I know that.

    4. Re:Of course... by chabotc · · Score: 1

      Oh c'mon a little bit of a reality check here please! Sure IT people are having a hard time finding work, but in the current economic climate they are certainly not the only skilled professionals looking for a job!

      Sure it might be a bitter pill since we had a artificial high for a while and the streets seemed paved with gold and the sky was the limit, but didn't everyone know this was bound to end at some point?

      Sorry but there are very few educations that guarantee you a high paying job.. Welcome to the real world!

    5. Re:Of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    6. Re:Of course... by Kithraya · · Score: 1

      You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I'm one of those without work and that I'm bitter about that. That's incorrect on both counts. I've got a very good job. An IT job, no less. I'm very glad of that.

      I'm also not denying that other fields are hurting for jobs. That's not the issue. The issue I have a problem with is how schools (both 4-year universities and tech schools like ITT) spent years preaching that if you go into IT, you'll be set for life with a great job. I don't blame the jobless graduates for their situation, I blame the schools. Even at the highlight, we simply didn't need as many IT people are schools were trying to crank out.

      The school I went to grew their MIS/CS departments from the two smallest majors on campus into the two largest in a single year. They did it because the professors actively went to other majors and tried to get people to join the program. So now, my old school continues to crank out another 500 CS people very semester who have little hope of finding work. That was my only point. I'm not even going to touch the state of other fields in the US right now...

    7. Re:Of course... by Lshmael · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since so many new viruses, worms, and other examples of malware are being created by university graduates, instead of lonely immature teenagers, right?

    8. Re:Of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Society fools those grads into choosing a career. Right.

      I'm sure they'd be so much better off had they been "fooled into" pig farming or portraiture.

      Make your own decisions and take responsibility for the results, rather than playing victim.

    9. Re:Of course... by Kithraya · · Score: 1

      I consider fresh university graduates to still be immature teenagers. :)

    10. Re:Of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      IT will always need good people. Software developers are still in growing demand.

      http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/34194.html

      "Computer software engineers and systems analysts are projected by the Bureau of Labor Statistics to be among the fastest-growing occupations from 2002 to 2012. Software applications engineering jobs are expected to grow 46 percent -- to 573,000 -- in that period. Systems analyst jobs will grow by 39 percent, to 653,000. Computer specialist jobs (including programmers, software engineers and systems analysts) are projected to grow 35.8 percent."

    11. Re:Of course... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      What are all those CS graduates supposed to do in between being rejected for an interview and filling in a McDonald's application!

      apply for jobs at fry's electronics, of course.

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    12. Re:Of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your comment sort of does make me think about how many of these new threats/problems are being produced simply because some CS graduate is having a hard time finding that $100,000 a year job and is looking to stick it to the society that fooled him into banking his future on IT...?

      I actually have a hard time believing that would be a major source of viruses, at least at the school I'm at. All the good coders and CS students are getting jobs and internships, and the rejected ones suck too much to code anything worthwhile.

    13. Re:Of course... by Areeves · · Score: 1

      Didn't a bunch of viruses come from the former USSR after the end of the cold war from a bunch of suddenly unemployed technology workers?

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    14. Re:Of course... by Kithraya · · Score: 1

      I do seem to recall that, although I've got no information to back that up. For all I know that could have been just some rumor that got started, but I definately remember hearing it.

    15. Re:Of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The most probable source of the sudden surge in viruses is that the unethical side of the business world has discovered that viruses can make money. Many of the latest viruses actually set up the infected machine to function as a SPAM relay, generating larger, and harder to stop, volumes of SPAM than otherwise possible, and at almost no cost to the originators. Other recent viruses perform phishing expeditions, install distributed SSL crackers, and a host of other unethical and/or criminal applications. Until we find a way to make it unprofitable, this type of virus is likely to simply get more common, and harder to block.

    16. Re:Of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people have to chose a career while still in high school. They have to correctly predict their future path for the next 10 years that will affect them for the rest of their lives. Yet they are too young to have sex, vote or drink.
      You are really special, in that American GOP freak-show kind of way.
      It's absurd to claim that society doesn't fool kids into a career... Ever been to a university recruiting drive? It's like a cult. No more, no less.

    17. Re:Of course... by chickenmonger · · Score: 1

      But what if they've been working at McDonald's during summers in order to pay for their overpriced degree?

      Well, of course, then they wouldn't have to complete an application!

    18. Re:Of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like a grad who failed miserably in the industry and has now accepted he'll never make it past the checkout at McDonalds, careerwise. If you are promised one thing by government ads pushing IT at uni, handed rose colored glasses by your university and then graduate into the stagnant pond that is Australian IT you'd be angry too.

      I could have studied Engineering or Chemistry but I totally screwed up and chose useless fkn IT. Now all I need is 10 years experience on 3yo technology to get an entry level position in a company that won't last longer than it's first software release.

      Give me a break u gaping ahole, disenfranchised IT grads/workers are the source of a lot of these viruses. The other half probably come from anti-virus vendors (like the glazier who throws rocks at a potential customers window).

      Make your own decisions but feel free to punish those who misinform you purely to create a nice cheap labour pool.

  4. gawd by abscondment · · Score: 3, Funny

    that explains the porn advertisement posts on my blog with IPs tracing back to infected machines all over the world...

    damn those script kiddies.

    1. Re:gawd by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 1

      I get those also, as do a lot of other bloggers I know. It's really quite annoying.

  5. Re:Microsoft viruses you mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Correction: "...walk away with BILLIONS of dollars in the bank."

  6. Security... by case_igl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is why security at the operating system layer is so important. How many homes and businesses are broken in to every day worldwide? Tens of thousands, I am sure. Computer crime will escalate in the future, to the point that virus software will probably barely be able to keep up.

    Laws aren't going to stop this kind of thing, we need better solutions for security that automatically adapt and defend the end user or system they are on.

    1. Re:Security... by dealsites · · Score: 5, Informative

      Security at the hardware layer is definately important, but don't under-estimate the power of a cheap NAT router. If if you don't need one, it will still keep out many of the IP port scans and vulnerabilities. I have a linksys with logging enabled, and it's amazing to watch the port scan in real time. I'm sure most of them are from script kiddies, or people that have compromised machines. But it sure does the job. NAT routers can be picked up for next to nothing these days.

      Of course it doesn't help with email viruses or attacks from the LAN side (ie, dumb users), but it helps cut down on the worm and viruses that propagate over the web.

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    2. Re:Security... by why-is-it · · Score: 0, Troll
      we need better solutions for security that automatically adapt and defend the end user or system they are on.

      The promise of m$ applications is that they interact with each other and the OS better than the competition. The trade-off is that your spreadsheet/email client/browser has hooks into the OS that those sorts of applications really don't need and no users ever asked for, but ones that can be readily exploited.

      People ask me what I think about outlook, and I must admit it is quite possibly the most efficient means of distributing trojans that has ever been devised. Even on 2000, outlook has root-access to the operating system. Given that older versions of their operating systems only had one level of privilege for all userids, such security problems could and ought to have been expected, but there is no need for outlook (or ie) to have that sort of privileged access to the OS as it does on 2000/xp.

      Maybe Tannenbaum is right, and a microkernel is the way to go? Maybe we should take it one step farther and run all applications in jails to effectively limit their access to system resources and one another?

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    3. Re:Security... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So, are you going to be the first one in line to scream "Monopoly abuse!" when Microsoft bundles anti-virus software with Windows and puts MacAfee and Symantec out of business?

      (Don't think it's possible? Remember FTP Software? TCP/IP stacks weren't at one point "part of the OS", either. They were a third-party addon. IE is an 89 Kbyte program; the rest is all "part of the OS". Popup calculators and notepads were third-party tools. So were disk defragmenters. There is no hard and fast line.)

    4. Re:Security... by pavon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Security at every layer is important because none of them will every be perfect. For example, there is an entire industry centered around properly securing networks, and it takes people years to become proficient at it. Yet we still give nearly all home users a raw connection to the internet, expecting them to do the job of a network administrator with no training or even an indication that they are even lacking in knowledge.

      This just silly. Most home users neither need, want, or are capable of administrating their own network connection. The ISP's should be doing this unless users specifically request to administer thier own connection. If we properly firewalled off hijacked machines it would cut spam and virus tremendously.

    5. Re:Security... by prshaw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When was the last virus that used Outlook to do anything but read the email and have the user execute an executable?

      In fact didn't most of the virus in May require the user to unzip the email with a password before it ran?

      My point is that we are past the access that Outlook has to the OS. We are way into the users proving they will jump through hoops to run a program from an unknown source.

      Although I will admit that some of them actually were faking coming from a trusted source (your ISP) pretty well.

    6. Re:Security... by PacoTaco · · Score: 2, Informative

      A simple NAT device also allows you to download security patches for fresh OS installs without getting infected in the process. This is especially handy for unsophisticated users who would have trouble making a patch CD.

    7. Re:Security... by m_pll · · Score: 2, Informative
      Even on 2000, outlook has root-access to the operating system

      Huh? Outlook has the same privileges as the user running it.

    8. Re:Security... by E-Rock · · Score: 1

      Yes, we all know that the grandparent was talking out of his ass, but he was bashing MS, so it gets modded up.

    9. Re:Security... by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why is this 4, Interesting? None of this is true or makes much sense. What "privledged access" is he talking about? If you run as root, your web browser and email program can do whatever it wants. If you run as a user, it has the rights of those user. This works the same on every other modern oprating system.

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    10. Re:Security... by jaxdahl · · Score: 1

      Security at the hardware level.. such as TCPA/Palladium? That'd be great for corporations that want to lock down systems.

    11. Re:Security... by gui_tarzan2000 · · Score: 1
      You don't really think McAfee and Symantec will go out of business if M$ includes anti-virus with their operating system, do you? I certainly won't use theirs, and if it's anything like we have right now, their patches will need patches and it'll still be full of holes.

      Only fools will trust Microsoft with keeping viri away from their systems.

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    12. Re:Security... by pHDNgell · · Score: 3, Informative

      Security at the hardware layer is definately important, but don't under-estimate the power of a cheap NAT router.

      NAT is not a security device, it's only there to work around address limitation problems at the cost of making communication more difficult for legitimate services. What you're describing is the job of a basic firewall blocking ingres traffic.

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    13. Re:Security... by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      If you run as root, your web browser and email program can do whatever it wants.

      I run as root and I assure you that my web browser and email program most certainly do NOT do whatever they want.

      Grandparent's point is that even if I choose to run as root (unpatched NT4 no less), there is no reason I should forfeit all my rights to some program just because I choose to run it.

    14. Re:Security... by lwsimon · · Score: 1

      Nah, all he's saying is the by having internal/external IPs different, the vuln scanners don't work. Script kiddies aren't looking to break into YOUR network, they want to break into A network. It doesn't maek your network more secure, only less interesting to a quick scan.

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    15. Re:Security... by m_pll · · Score: 1
      Grandparent's point is that even if I choose to run as root...

      Read his post again. He specifically complains that even on OSes where there is separation of user privileges, Outlook still somehow magically has "root access". Which is not true.

      I run as root and I assure you that my web browser and email program most certainly do NOT do whatever they want.

      The NT security model is that rights are granted to users, not programs. If you insist on using Outlook or IE while running as administrator you can limit what they can do by changing the user context they run under. For example, right-click the IE icon, select Run As... and choose a low privileged user or select the "Protect my computer..." option.

      Of course it's still better not to run them as an admin in the first place.

    16. Re:Security... by Foolhardy · · Score: 1

      Internet Explorer. The only thing it is integrated with is the shell (ie explorer). Process Explorer tells me that Internet Explorer is acutally implemented mostly in (on xpsp1)
      shell32.dll 7.85mb (5.5mb of which is pictures and AVIs)
      mshtml.dll 2.66mb
      shdocvw.dll 1.27mb
      browseui.dll .97mb
      sxs.dll 695kb
      wininet.dll 574kb
      shdoclc.dll 536kb
      shlwapi.dll 386kb

      TCP/IP has always been included with Windows NT. So has a FTP server and client. Notepad and Calculator, too.

    17. Re:Security... by mystran · · Score: 1
      Maybe Tannenbaum is right, and a microkernel is the way to go? Maybe we should take it one step farther and run all applications in jails to effectively limit their access to system resources and one another?

      What you are suggesting is effectively a capability based os like EROS. Now, the trouble indeed with current mainstream systems is that even when apps DON'T run as the root user, the actual normal user has way to many priviledges to give to their programs. The trouble is, in a mainstream OS it's damn near impossible to NOT let your program have all the priviledges your user account has. Capabilities are by no means a new idea, and one need not make system less usable to have them. Building an easy-to-use capability system that functions well and does everything that users expect it to do, requires quite a bit thinking and design though.

      Just my .02 euro.

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    18. Re:Security... by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      The NT security model is that rights are granted to users, not programs.

      Which ensures that if I have access to anything with one program, I also have the same access with any other program.

      Right-Click IE, no "RunAs" (This is NT4)

      If I can communicate with something running with root access and get it to do my bidding, I've effectively got root access regardless of what user rights I supposedly have.

    19. Re:Security... by surprise_audit · · Score: 1
      Perhaps more to the point - do the commonly available NAT routers have port-forwarding configured on by default?? If not, then there's nothing for a scanner to find, unless the user goes out of his way to enable a service port.

      The two NAT routers I have experience of (Speedstream, Linksys) both had port-forwarding turned off when I first saw them.

    20. Re:Security... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although I agree with your sentiment unfortunately encouraging ISPs to be more heavy handed falls into the relm of be careful what you ask for. Cox now blocks port 25 ostensibly to protect against access to relays. This blocked me from direct access to my business mail server. When I write a business email from home the header now reveals my cox address eventhough the replyto is my business. The result is I'm now getting spam sent to my cox mail from idiots that I had successfully filtered out at work (better tools).

    21. Re:Security... by hdparm · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. This has become so tiresome, it's not even troll anymore.

    22. Re:Security... by mabinogi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      if you think about it, they pretty much HAVE to have port forwarding off by default.

      Assuming you're talking SNAT, which most people are, then where would you forward the packets?
      You'd have to specifically enable it so you could tell the router which one of the machines it's masquerading for gets the forwarded packets....

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    23. Re:Security... by cmj · · Score: 1
      History lesson time... Been there, done that. MS used to bundle an OEM'd anti-virus package with DOS (at least in v6.22). A quick google turned up this [pmt.org] and more interestingly this from MS[microsoft.com].

      As of Windows 95 AV was back as a third party issue. I've often wondered whether they dropped it because of (a) concern about potential liability, (b) the implied "our OS is not secure" marketing issues, (c) simply too much tech support trouble, (d) all of the above or (e) something else entirely.

    24. Re:Security... by kevmit · · Score: 1
      "Huh? Outlook has the same privileges as the user running it."
      Exactly...and when's the last time you came across a windows machine where the user wasn't logged in as local administrator?
  7. HAZMAT by chaffed · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm investing in a hazmat licence with all the infections I see on enduser computers.

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  8. Or did a new virus hit virus tracking databases by seanscottrogers · · Score: 3, Funny

    to boost virus levels 30 months ago to never before seen heights.

  9. Hrm by metulj · · Score: 1

    What is this profane practice called "Kowing" of which you refer?

  10. and apparentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While watching those after school specials you forgot how to spell "knowing".. D'oh!

  11. Phatbot/Polybot/Gaobot/Agobot... by mythosaz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The release of the Phatbot source made most of this possible. Agobot had over a thousand variants because any kid with GCC could change half a dozen strings, pick a new list of tasks to kill, pick a new IRC server to report back to for 'pwn3rship' and then pack the thing up with the executable compressor of his choice.

    Not everything should be released under the GPL, I'm afraid.

    1. Re:Phatbot/Polybot/Gaobot/Agobot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, sometimes a BSD license is more suited...Oh wait.

    2. Re:Phatbot/Polybot/Gaobot/Agobot... by One+Louder · · Score: 2, Funny
      Not everything should be released under the GPL, I'm afraid.
      Why not? When we catch these guys, we can go after them for copyright and GPL violations for not distributing the source of their derivative works.
    3. Re:Phatbot/Polybot/Gaobot/Agobot... by mythosaz · · Score: 3, Informative
      I'm going to hope that violating the GPL copy[direction] rules is going to be the least of their problems.

      These Agobot variations wouldn't be a problem if half of the virus scanners in the world didn't only scan into UPX compressed files.

      The problem is, if you search google for Executale Compressors you get a hundred more that McAfee and Norton can't see until it's too late.

      Run PEID and find a couple hundred things on your OWN executables that McAfee can't look inside.

    4. Re:Phatbot/Polybot/Gaobot/Agobot... by juggy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am sort of surprised to hear that this is still a problem. I was working at an anti-virus company before and they had a pretty convincing way of dealing with it: 1.) you check for the "compressed" property (not so difficult since most put in their signatures) 2.) decompress it with your specialized routine or use a 386 emulator to do it - slow, but effective, and you need it anyway to weed out those polymorph viruses...

  12. Gee, I wonder why? by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't it freakin' obvious that computer viruses are written by rebellious and outcast youth who (like most youths) consider themselves invincible? Anyone with the slightest incling of the rebellious mind will recognise that arresting someone for an act will encourage others to commit the same act. German kids used to consider it "kinda wrong" to write and release worms, now the government has gone ahead re-enforced the wrongness of that act. The fact that Microsoft ponied up a cash reward just broadcasts the message that writing and distributing worms really pisses them off (whereas before worm writers had nothing but an assumption). That message is now clear. Hate Microsoft? Wanna rebel against society? Write a worm!

    --
    How we know is more important than what we know.
    1. Re:Gee, I wonder why? by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Uhhhh...what?

      (whereas before worm writers had nothing but an assumption).

      They always knew that the government and MS didn't like worms. I mean, come on.

      And I'm sick of hearing people insist that it's "rebellion". What it is is lack of empathy; there's something wrong with these kids, they get pleasure from causing other people pain.

    2. Re:Gee, I wonder why? by js3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Rebellion? wtf. It's sad that every stupid thing youths do is blamed on rebellion. The only reason worm writers and script kiddies exist is because there are millions of computers hooked to the net with no protection at all just begging to be hacked.

      or more to the point, if you leave your door open the thieves will come. We never learn from history. whatever we do it seems security is always an after thought. 9/11, worms, identity theft etc etc.

      --
      did you forget to take your meds?
    3. Re:Gee, I wonder why? by swilver · · Score: 1

      IMHO they're written by anti-virus software companies. I'm sure that like any other business, they'd do anything to protect theirs.

    4. Re:Gee, I wonder why? by XryanX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Great point indeed. If I had mod points, I'd surely bump you up.

      Certainly it's a scary thought to think that an 18-year old kid in Germany caused billions of dollars worth of damage to the global economy without even leaving his house.

      It's been said before, but I wouldn't be surprised if terrorist groups started looking into the use of worms. They're ridiculously easy to write, and they could cause a ton economic damage.

    5. Re:Gee, I wonder why? by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      begging to be hacked

      She was asking for it.

      if you leave your door open the thieves will come

      Thieves have something to gain, worm writers have nothing to gain except how their rebellious act makes them feel.

      --
      How we know is more important than what we know.
    6. Re:Gee, I wonder why? by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      ummm no. Microsoft likes money and as much as people whine and complain about worms and viruses, there really aint too many people who blame Microsoft for these things so much so as to not buy their product. Trueth be told, Microsoft hasn't put up a reward because they hate worms and viruses, they've put up a reward because it's a cheap way to show that they're doing something about the security of their products. But the worm writers don't see it that way. They honestly think they've gotten under Bill Gates' skin.

      --
      How we know is more important than what we know.
    7. Re:Gee, I wonder why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And I'm sick of hearing people insist that it's "rebellion". What it is is lack of empathy; there's something wrong with these kids, they get pleasure from causing other people pain.

      High school. High school is the toughest time in any geek's life. A few years like that and a geek will become bitter and angry and develop an urge to destroy all the works of man. Sometimes this civilizations makes me think its trying to breed super-villains...

    8. Re:Gee, I wonder why? by eeg3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do you really think that most of "today's youth" is capable of writing viruses in any mature manner? Other than Visual Basic programs that delete files, which isn't "mature," I don't. Your assumption that viruses are written by "rebellious and outcast youth" is not only unfounded, but completely absurd.

      Moreover, what do you suggest on preventing virus writing? Not arresting and punishing virus writers? Yes, that will work. Let people run around and break into computers maliciously and ruin things. That will definitely deter people from doing it.

      Of course software writers should create better applications and OSes, but that doesn't excuse malicious intent on someones part.

      Also, creating viruses doesn't hurt Microsoft. People will buy Windows regardless of the amount of viruses available for it. You're hurting the average joe, not Microsoft.

    9. Re:Gee, I wonder why? by Moridineas · · Score: 1

      What it is is lack of empathy; there's something wrong with these kids, they get pleasure from causing other people pain.

      The Germans DID invent the word Schadenfreude ;)

    10. Re:Gee, I wonder why? by hdparm · · Score: 1
      People will buy Windows regardless of the amount of viruses available for it. You're hurting the average joe, not Microsoft.

      Not my neighbor, who now has FC2 and Crossover office instead of Win2K. He would have switched to Openoffice as well but since he's an accountant he needs MYOB and MS Office.

  13. arrests won't stem the tide... by agwis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    May has seen a noticeable spike in cybercriminal activity, suggesting that even the arrest of Sven Jaschan ...has done nothing to curb the problem.

    I doubt these arrests ever really curb the problem but instead add to it. Those that are captured get their names known world wide and are considered by many l33t hackers, although most are nothing more than script kiddies. Some (Mitnick for one) start successful security consulting businesses and become published authors afterwards.

    On the other hand, the monetary rewards for turning in a virus writer might be a better deterrent. I know people that would snitch on their own mothers for a reward!

    1. Re:arrests won't stem the tide... by agwis · · Score: 3, Informative

      oops, in hindsight I realized I shouldn't have lumped Mitnick in with virus writers, at least I don't think he was.

      Damn, where is that undo button?

    2. Re:arrests won't stem the tide... by Tiassa · · Score: 1
      Damn, where is that undo button?
      Down there, right next to the submit button. See it?
      It's one of these new Proactive Undo Buttons called "Preview"...
    3. Re: arrests won't stem the tide... by Grizzlysmit · · Score: 2, Funny

      I know people that would snitch on their own mothers for a reward!

      shit now I know why mum won't talk to me any more!
      --
      in my life God comes first.... but Linux is pretty high after that :-D
      Francis Smit
  14. Use it to an advantage. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With all these viruses out there you should use this as an advantage to show people Linux or at least install Mozilla on their system so they wont open as many possible viruses in the future. Right now I bet there is a record number of people who are sick of using their computer right now. So it is you chance to be the savior and show them linux (Just the simple stuff web browsing, word processing, Printing, playing MP3) if they are sick enough of windows they will let you give linux a try. If they won't then at least see if they are willing to run Mozilla instead of IE.

    --
    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    1. Re:Use it to an advantage. by Kris_J · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've been suggesting Mozilla as the answer to IE-hijacking [ad/spy]ware. Works every time. I also recommend Eudora as the answer to Outlook-exploiting viruses, but patching Outlook works just as well.

    2. Re:Use it to an advantage. by Adam9 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Eudora? How about some easy spam filtering with Thunderbird?

    3. Re:Use it to an advantage. by aosgood · · Score: 1

      Sorry to say but you all are tool. Before you recommend Linux make sure that it works on all BIGTIME hardware and also make sure that it works for basic applications that an everyday user would love. Until that time its hard to say give Linux a try.

      I wish all developers on Linux kernel for desktop would only worry about (Printers,Video Cards, Network Cards, and Audio Cards)

      Until the day that those above 3 can work seamselly together, no one is going to jump shit.. ooops ship. Just keep those 3 in mind before you recommend Linux to all users. Remember hardware vendors don't keep you in mind. They just do what they think is best.

    4. Re:Use it to an advantage. by dilvish_the_damned · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunatly most windows user dont know the difference. They know viruses are bad, and bad people create them. They think "BAD Ole people!". And then applaud Microsoft for their newfound interest in security and for offering rewards for the betrayal of the BAD,BAD people.
      They never once stop to think that all of those random popups and the like are not supposed to be a part of the internet, and that the machine they trust is a host to 10's or 100's of malware products. They just thank God it hasnt happened to them yet.

      --
      I think you underestimate just how much I just dont care.
    5. Re:Use it to an advantage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      patching Outlook works just as well.

      Only against the viruses that are already known. You are still vulnerable to the as-yet unwritten virus that takes advantage of the as-yet undiscovered vulnerability. Or are you one of those that believes that the only way viruses get writrten are from disclosed patches?

    6. Re:Use it to an advantage. by The+Vulture · · Score: 1

      Remember hardware vendors don't keep you in mind. They just do what they think is best.

      And that's why the "developers on Linux kernel for desktop" don't worry about printers, video cards, network cards and audio cards. They ask the companies for the programming details on the cards, and either don't get an answer, or are refused access to the specifications. Therefore, the developers tend to focus on things that they actually have documentation on.

      Perhaps if hardware vendors actually opened up to the idea of providing drivers, or taking advantage of those who want to write the drivers for them, but lack the specifications, then Linux would be better.

      -- Joe

    7. Re:Use it to an advantage. by Kris_J · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Spam filtering at the client is not the solution. All my filtering occurs at the server.

    8. Re:Use it to an advantage. by Kris_J · · Score: 1
      Only against the viruses that are already known. You are still vulnerable to the as-yet unwritten virus that takes advantage of the as-yet undiscovered vulnerability.
      That's true for any program. Eudora has had exploits too. Or are you one of those that believes that only Microsoft products have as-yet undiscovered vulnerabilities?
    9. Re:Use it to an advantage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what are you going to do when everyone runs Linux and all the virus writters write stuff to infect Linux boxen?

    10. Re:Use it to an advantage. by JuggleGeek · · Score: 1
      Spam filtering at the client is not the solution. All my filtering occurs at the server.

      That's fine if you run your own server, but most of us don't have static IP's and must rely on a server we don't control. My ISP does not blocking/filtering at all on my mail, at my request. I do it all on the client end. Yes, it eats some of my bandwidth, but it allows me to use the tools I want to use, the way I want to use them. I get 400-500 spams a day, but the filters make them relatively painless to get rid of.

    11. Re:Use it to an advantage. by Kris_J · · Score: 1

      At that rate of spam I wouldn't be spending enough time online to download it all -- I only have dial-up. My solution was to pay for SpamCop (a service I no longer recommend since being bought by IronPort). SpamCop can pop mail off any POP3 server, filter it and either deliver to your choice of account, or become the new place where you fetch your mail from. It made my last year of my Yahoo mail address bearable.

    12. Re:Use it to an advantage. by JuggleGeek · · Score: 1
      I do have DSL, so the DL time isn't so bad. And I don't download all the spam. I DL headers, and the filtering gets run on those. The spam then gets deleted - and after there is no spam, I grab the legitimate mail. MailWasher helps.

      I use Spamcop, indirectly. Mailwasher will use an IP based blacklist if you want it to. I don't have mail auto-deleted just because it's from a Spamcop listed site, but if mail doesn't get through any of the whitelisting (certain keywords in the subject, certain addresses that don't get spam, friends addresses which are whitelisted, etc) then mail from sites listed in Spamcops blacklist may get a quick glance - or maybe not.

      I know some people feel that since Spamcop got bought out by a company with enough money to handle the bandwidth, legal situations, etc, that SpamCop must now be "evil", but I don't get it. Ironport doesn't have a history of sending spam, yet people keep acting like any company that does bulk email is inherently a spammer. You're still using Slashdot, too, but I guarantee they send a lot of email every day.

    13. Re:Use it to an advantage. by Kris_J · · Score: 1

      Ironport plays both sides of the war. There is no such thing as unsolicted bulk email that isn't spam.

    14. Re:Use it to an advantage. by JuggleGeek · · Score: 1
      There is no such thing as unsolicted bulk email that isn't spam.

      On that, we agree. So, is there any evidence that they send unsolicited email? So far as I know, there is not. And if they are *not* attempting to send unsolicited email, I can't see why they are being lumped in with the spammers? If they are sending it, then I agree completely - but I haven't seen any evidence that makes me think they are doing it. If I'm wrong, show me.

    15. Re:Use it to an advantage. by Kris_J · · Score: 1

      Start here. Search Google Groups for IronPort for more flavour.

    16. Re:Use it to an advantage. by JuggleGeek · · Score: 1
      So, as I suspected, you can't show any evidence of them sending spam, but you simply believe that any marketing email, even to people who have opted in, is spam.

      Free clue - if people request it, regardless of the content, it is not spam. They key is consent, not content.

    17. Re:Use it to an advantage. by Kris_J · · Score: 1

      Ironport facilitates known spammers, as a business model. If you didn't find that after the free clues I posted, then I can't help you. Saying it's Opt-in doesn't mean it is.

    18. Re:Use it to an advantage. by JuggleGeek · · Score: 1
      Which known spammers? I've asked, quite clearly, for evidence of that. You pointed me to a slashdot article about Ironport buying Spamcop. All available evidence is that Ironport helps legitimate companies send legitimate email. You seem to feel that's a horrible thing.

      You claim they aid known spammers. I'm asking which ones. The article you pointed to doesn't say that, and the posts that are highly modded in that discussion never show any evidence of them spamming. Some, like you, *call* them spammers - but they, like you, have no evidence.

      Sorry, but it is impossible to send millions of spams and leave no evidence of having done so. Spamcop has done more than you, I, or anyone else posting on Slashdot, so far as I know. And you're now claiming that they are assisting spammers, while refusing to offer evidence. Sorry, but I call bull shit.

    19. Re:Use it to an advantage. by Kris_J · · Score: 1
    20. Re:Use it to an advantage. by JuggleGeek · · Score: 1
      Okay. The first link, to "Digital", had no useful information. It is just another guy, like you, who has no evidence of wrongdoing who is bitching and whining.

      Lets go look at the next one - maybe something will turn up there. (I have my doubts, based on what I've seen so far. I think if you had evidence, it would have shown up by now.)

      Hmmm. Lots of messages - how to begin. Here's a quote I found in some of those.

      Some antispam activists are not so worried. "IronPort's reputation is pretty spotless,'' said Adam Brower, a volunteer at the Spamhaus Project, a spam-fighting group. "They can help improve SpamCop."

      Sorry, that doesn't look so bad. As I continue, I find that Digital Impact doesn't seem to be perfect - but there are some pretty good arguments that they aren't intentionally spamming anyone, too.

      I don't think you and I will ever agree on this. You believe that any mass mail is spam, and I don't. Neither of us is likely to change. Since you don't trust Ironport, you don't trust Spamcop - and you are unwilling to use one very useful tool in the fight against spam. That's up to you. I'll pass.

  15. Why I Believe It's Rising by seanmcelroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course the sheer number of computers out there and various OS flaws makes for more virus targets, but as for actual viruses, I attribute this to more people just know how to code. Coding has steadily become something with a large 'entry learning cost', to something many more people could do. Whether intentional or not, the average joe is becoming more exposed to the methodology of writing functional pieces of code through macros, application-specific scripts, etc. And as more jobs are offshored and people in other countries learn and become proficient at it, it's as simple as with a larger base of people knowing how to write code, and a constant ratio of all people with bad intentions, it will just keep increasing.

    Anyway, my two cents.

    --
    Be very, very careful what you put into that head, because you will never, ever get it out. -Thomas Cardinal Wolsey
    1. Re:Why I Believe It's Rising by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well unfortunately Microsoft made it really easy to make viruses. Back in the old days any virus that would do any real wide damage was made in assembly. Infected .EXE or .COM files and they did their thing then ran the rest of the program normally more or less. This took real skill to make a virus that would alter the code of the program and still run the application itself. Now any smuck can make a virus. Wait for a security release by Microsoft or check some hackers websites until you see a hole that you can exploit. Then make a server side program that copies itself to an other system using the same problem. No tricky coding no knowledge of the underlining architecture is involved. So back in the old days a virus writer was scum but at least he was respected for his intelligence. Now the modern virus writer is scum who is doesn't deserver any respect because what he is doing isn't that hard, an intro programming class could teach him the skills to do that.

      --
      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    2. Re:Why I Believe It's Rising by cmacmanus · · Score: 1

      OS flaws indeed, but people who are not keen on keeping their computers up to date/employing the correct software(s) is the true issue at hand.

  16. Do they not track anybody other than Win32? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All of their top ten are W32 viruses. This isn't surprising at all- but my question is, is it because of W32 being an inherantly insecure platform (which it certainly IS) or is it because Sophos doesn't track anything else?

    --
    SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    1. Re:Do they not track anybody other than Win32? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Give it time! 64 bit Windows isn't even widely available yet. Sheesh!

    2. Re:Do they not track anybody other than Win32? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They track others - there just aren't (m)any to track...

    3. Re:Do they not track anybody other than Win32? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should look up the definition of "inherent". Windows is no more "inherently" insecure than is Linux. (Or did you miss the article bemoaning the loss of grsecurity for the kernel?)

      In which case, the "nyaa nyaa" advocacy posts are a bit childish.

    4. Re:Do they not track anybody other than Win32? by Aphrika · · Score: 1
      I'm intrigued to find out how they collect their 'reports' of viruses. Namely:

      1. How do they get their information, from human sources, software phoning home or guesswork?
      2. What constitutes a 'virus'? Is it a compromised machine, a hit machine (but not infected) or what?
      3. If it's compromised machines, how do they count machines without AV protection?
      I suspect it's probably a mix of all of them, but mostly some statistical massaging. It's also good to note that if you keep your Windows box patched, you wouldn't be susceptible to any of those top ten viruses, although it's only through luck that we haven't had a pre-patch exploit. I hate to think about that to be honest...
    5. Re:Do they not track anybody other than Win32? by Lehk228 · · Score: 3, Funny

      no, W32/ is a standard prefix for virus names, it just exists so you know it is a virus name

      --
      Snowden and Manning are heroes.
    6. Re:Do they not track anybody other than Win32? by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 2, Insightful
      All of their top ten are W32 viruses. This isn't surprising at all- but my question is, is it because of W32 being an inherantly insecure platform (which it certainly IS) or is it because Sophos doesn't track anything else?

      All top 10 viruses are win32 viruses because the win32 platform has the largest market share and thus the most retarded users. And that's also why you shouldn't bash win32. Linux right now has a fairly decent reputation regarding security. However, how do you think Linux would fare if it had 50% market share of which half was running RH7.2 without ANY updates whatsoever? The virus problem lies with the virus writers who need to sod off and get a life. The problem with security in general lies with the stupid users.

      Remember that with auditing, regular updates, a good firewall and some finely-tuned ACLs even Win32 (NT5+) can be made pretty secure.

    7. Re:Do they not track anybody other than Win32? by LnxAddct · · Score: 2, Informative

      Every virus software I've ever used, about 7 different products, phoned home. Either when updates are being downloaded or when a virus is removed. Every AV program keeps logs, and sends them away back home. Read your license next time you install it, you apparently give them permission to do this. Then out of these numbers they use some simple statistics to figure out the totals.

    8. Re:Do they not track anybody other than Win32? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Linux is a retarded non-secure platform to begin with. It takes serious patching to get it to the level of non-exploitability needed to confound the masses. Perhaps is grsecurity went mainline along with propolice, linux would be better off. As it is now, it's not that difficult to exploit bugs in linux programs for increased priviledges and then do nasty stuff. All it takes is someone finding a hole in a widespread library and millions of servers will be caught napping.

      The worm would have to do several things:

      1) Exploit a hole in a widespread library that's used by a widespread program. For best results, a widespread library used by several widespread programs would be best.

      2) Exploit this hole to gain access to a process listing.

      3) Scan the process listing for suitably insecure services to attack. It amazes me how many people leave insecure services running on their servers and think that by disabling their listening on external interfaces that it does any good. First lesson is that you shouldn't let processes be aware of each other. The second lesson is that un-needed services shouldn't be running anywhere at the minimum, and should be deleted if at all possible.

      4) Exploit the insecure service running as a priviledged user. What does xinetd run as? Not tha xinetd is the only poorly designed program, but it does have a past. Now you have root.

      5) The first thing you do is to hijack the kernel. The selinux extensions to 2.6 make this trivial. Your processes should not be visible to anything. Basic rootkit design here. The idea though is to mask all activity, patch several services, attack tripwire/security services by looking at their last output, deleting the program, and adding a trojan to mimic the functionality on new files, but report the same hash on old files, and propagate.

      6) Propagation needs to happen slowly. Instead of a mad rush to scan every port 25 on the internet, you need to use the kernel routing table. This provides non-random, and much more difficult to track logs that may or may not be there anyway. This hides your worm.

      This should also happen on a random (say 1 hour to 500 hour) delay for each copy of the worm.

      The major problem lies in creating something that is executable across a variety of platforms. The program needs a lot of logic and needs to be extremely small. Due to portability issues, most everything besides sh is ruled out.

      A secondary problem of patching is present. That's why we don't want to be that obvious that a worm is out there. The worm has to be clandestine in order to infect the most hosts before going over. If the library developers get wind of this, the whole thing goes kaboom.

      Is there anything I left out? Anyway, this is not meant to be a tutorial. It's meant to show sysadmins the steps bad guys take to design a good worm, and steps that can be taken to massively attack the Linux/Unix platform.

      bja, really tired and over-caffeinated.

  17. obvious solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GET BACK TO WORK

  18. Re:i'll give you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You want :-O?

  19. Copycats and innovators by leshert · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Based on the last few analyses I've seen, it appears that occurrences of real "new" viruses, meaning ones made from whole cloth that "advance the state of the art", as it were, haven't really been up that much.

    What does seem to be up are "copycat" viruses--viruses that seem to be made from the new viruses. Either people are getting hold of the source to viruses, making a few modifications (to 'set their thumbprint' on them), and releasing them, or else just reverse-engineering the viruses. These "copycat" viruses do appear to be on the upswing. On the other hand, from all reports, the copycats tend to be poorly written and have flaws that either limit their spread or else limit their effectiveness.

    The real innovators, though, are definitely getting better every year.

    Is anyone doing that kind of analysis: rate of increase of "innovative", more dangerous viruses vs. random, garbage mods of existing ones? That would be an interesting glimpse into the state of the virus "industry".

    1. Re:Copycats and innovators by ThomaMelas · · Score: 1

      I haven't done a formal study, but doesn't it feel like there are alot less "distructive" viruses in the wild? It seems like the major viruses come in two flavors of late. Outlook viruses, and zombie bot viruses. Both of which make the net a worse place, but don't really damage thier host much.

    2. Re:Copycats and innovators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Look up "derivative" in the dictionary and see if that reminds you of how MS describes their "innovation"."

  20. funny numbers by pedantic+bore · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It turns out that of the top 10, six are netsky variants. Makes you wonder whether they're counting the number of new viruses, or the number of variations (or bit patterns). It's hard to believe that there were really 959 new viruses in one month. Actually almost all of these viruses seem to be rehashes of the same old ideas, just a few new bells and whistles. Not that much innovation from what I can see.

    (not that I want there to be -- I'd be happy if all these sociopathic virus writers found something more productive to do, or just f****d off and died.)

    --
    Am I part of the core demographic for Swedish Fish?
    1. Re:funny numbers by jellomizer · · Score: 1, Insightful

      In a world of 6 billion people. You find it hard that 1000 of them will make a virus. Heck that is 0.00001.66% of the worlds population. I am actually surprised that the numbers are that low. I guess most people try to do the write thing. Or most people who would the real jerks and make and release a virus are to lazy to do it.

      --
      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    2. Re:funny numbers by Aphrika · · Score: 1

      What I find funny is that Sophos - in all their infinite wisdom - seem to be struggling to understand that arresting one Sven Jaschan hasn't made a dent in the 959 viruses that appeared. Strange that... when you consider that at most he accounted for 35 or so of them (Sasser and Netsky variants), leaving the other 924 or so for the rest of the world to write...

    3. Re:funny numbers by Otter · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Makes you wonder whether they're counting the number of new viruses, or the number of variations (or bit patterns).

      In any case, the _real_ issue is how many viruses have a noticeable effect, as a result of successful features, deception and propagation. The number of variants may be of interest to Symantec and the virus writers, but otherwise it's like keeping track of the number of nude bodies Beyonce's head is Photoshopped onto.

    4. Re:funny numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be happy if all these sociopathic virus writers found something more productive to do

      You're assuming they have any skill, knowledge, or talent. Given that these days, you can just download the framework for a popular virus and fiddle with the payload. No real coding ability required.

      The idea of the super-l33t hacker that actually possesses all sort of special knowledge and ability is pure Hollywood. Even the famous ones generally don't have that much on the ball.

    5. Re:funny numbers by pedantic+bore · · Score: 1

      You're assuming that by something more productive, I mean something having to do with computers. It could be anything. There are a lot of ways you can spend your time that are more productive than writing a virus.

      --
      Am I part of the core demographic for Swedish Fish?
  21. Don Sven, cybercriminal by Slashcrunch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What a joke!

    "...noticeable spike in cybercriminal activity, suggesting that even the arrest of Sven Jaschan, the German teenager who has owned up to writing Sasser and Netsky has done nothing to curb the problem."

    Oh right, so the arrest of Sven was going to solve the problem...? Maybe he wasn't the cybercrime boss after all..? Idiots.

    1. Re:Don Sven, cybercriminal by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, if they call him a prankster, it doesn't make him look evil enough...

      --

      "If anything can go wrong, it will." - Murphy

  22. 959 new viruses in May? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow. Am I ever glad that most of my boxes run DragonFly BSD...

  23. Re:Dirty May by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    May 8-{

  24. Yes, but... by gillbates · · Score: 5, Funny

    How many of these affect Linux?

    Oh, right.

    And how is this news? Windows users expect to get hit by viruses; this is nothing new.

    When Linux starts getting hit, then I'll take notice.

    All those people who claim that Linux is ready for the desktop conveniently forget that it still doesn't support anywhere near the number of viruses that Windows does. A single release of Windows contains more virus enablement than all releases of Linux combined. When it comes down to it, Linux won't ever break into the desktop mainstream until Linus improves support for viruses.

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    1. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My fucking god. The number of actual humorous posts I've read today which have been tagged as off-topic or even troll is stagering. And yet here is one which is almost funny and it gets an informative?!?!?

      I thought the anti-slash jerks were idiots, but more and more they seem to have a point.....

    2. Re:Yes, but... by xmorg · · Score: 2, Funny

      There isnt really alot of GNU viruses out there. We need to get a drive going to encourage virus creators to release their source code along with their viruses(i) so we can get more linux support! DONT forget BSD, we bsd users always get left out :P

    3. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this not funny...

    4. Re:Yes, but... by Xenna · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Linux *is* getting hit, the Internet *is getting hit.

      Our (linux) mailservers are being bombarded with ten of thousands of virusmails daily (double compared to 2 weeks ago) thanks to cable and DSL machines that are spewing virusmails as fast as they can.

      Viruses may not target the infrastructure but they're certainly starting to affect it.

      Think of it as an Internet wide DDOS attack...

      X.

    5. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I notice that whoever scored this as "Informative" didn't see the tongue jabbing into the cheek when the writer wrote about Linux not breaking through until Linus supports viruses better....

  25. That's all very nice, but Sophos is 'moneyware'... by B747SP · · Score: 1

    ... is there, for example, a 'free' and/or 'free' antivirus tool that will run on *BSD and scan filesystems for PC/Windows virii? .

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  26. I wonder if virus writters know the damage they do by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am sure most of them see it as a joke or some political statement. But the political statement is pretty lame because no one knows what your angry about, "I Made this virus to protest the war?", "I made this virus to protest the the treatment of X", "I Made this virus because I dont like X company". When you get a virus it doesn't seem to spur the ideas that the virus writer wanted to portray.

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  27. It's not even that by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Funny

    Most viruses, like Bagel and Netsky, spread via user stupidity. They e-mail themselves to everyone on your list, and then people open them, and infect themsleves, etc. The exploit viruses are far rarer.

  28. Anti Virus Writers by ianiswackingit · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    well dont you think it could be the programmers from various anti-virus companies trying to keep their jobs? thats my theory. -ian

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    1. Re:Anti Virus Writers by thisisjake2point0 · · Score: 1

      Correct!!!! Without virus's and M$ there would be no AV industry to speak of....

  29. Re:That's all very nice, but Sophos is 'moneyware' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sophos works just fine...

  30. How to curb the problem... by SamMichaels · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Say this with me: EDUCATE THE PERSON.

    I can't even estimate the number of people with whom I've dealt that have expired, disabled or even damaged anti-virus programs on their computers. Their justification is "I don't know about spending that $X/yr...I don't need it."

    For those with Windows versions that have the auto update features available, I can't even estimate the number of people with whom I've dealt that have it disabled, inactive or just ignore it. Their justification is "it slows down my AOL and it keeps popping stuff up or tries to restart the PC."

    It's *GREAT* for business and part of me wants to thank the virus writers, spammers and spyware folks...you're providing me with a chance to make some beer money. However, what it boils down to is SOMEONE has to educate the masses...and that someone is all of us; even if we just remind our family and close friends.

    Before your little brother or sister [son or daughter] go back to college this fall, MAKE SURE THEIR PC IS SECURE. The college folk with whom I've dealt have epidemics happening on campus...the networks are so overloaded that it's difficult to even fix the machine without taking it home.

    1. Re:How to curb the problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      >>Their justification is "I don't know about spending that $X/yr...I don't need it."

      Why should I have to pay money to Norton or McAfee for virus updates just
      because Microsoft didn't design Windows XP with security in mind? If
      Microsoft cares so much about security now, then why don't they
      include free virus scanning software with Windows?

      Most of the recent viruses/worms have been pretty harmless anyway. I make
      regular backups, so I just continue using my virus-infected computer
      until it no longer works at all, at which time I simply reinstall Windows. Works for me!!!

    2. Re:How to curb the problem... by SamMichaels · · Score: 1

      > If Microsoft cares so much about security
      > now, then why don't they include free virus
      > scanning software with Windows?

      Did MS include it with DOS? If I recall, there were quite a few nasty viruses that destroyed networks and businesses back in the 80s and early 90s.

      > I just continue using my virus-infected
      > computer until it no longer works at all,
      > at which time I simply reinstall Windows.
      > Works for me!!!

      Exactly. That's the problem and the entire point of my post. I'm telling you, as an "industry professional", that your computer is wreaking havoc on other innocent people.

      I can't wait until the big ISPs start doing application-based firewalling. It will cut off access to people like you when you get infected...then maybe you'll care.

      In the meantime, I hope you enjoy contributing to my Michelob Ultra and ThinkGeek.com fund.

    3. Re:How to curb the problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should I have to pay money to Norton or McAfee for virus updates just because Microsoft didn't design Windows XP with security in mind?

      Windows NT is designed with security in mind. XP just isn't configured with security in mind by default, and the Home edition is unfortunately crippled. I've got a Windows 2000 machine with security turned up to where I'd let anyone use it, no virus scanner installed, and yet people still can use it.

      The trouble is, it takes a bit of effort and knowledge to set that up. Microsoft needs to put some of their effort into this, and make it secure by default on installation. Filesystem restrictions turned up, unneeded services off, firewall on, etc. All the tools are there.

  31. Just wait until... by polecat_redux · · Score: 0

    ...NGCSB becomes a reality. Then all our problems will be solved.

  32. Laws are not the answer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Laws stop very few crimes.


    This case is particularly clear - forget about punishing the behaviour - just fix the technical problems that allow worms and virii to exist.


    There may be no I or U in TEAM, but you can make meat out one.

  33. Re:I wonder if virus writters know the damage they by hazem · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nobody seems to be bringing up the possibility that the rise in viruses could be attempts at economic warfare. There are a lot of people disgruntled with the US and the West and some of them are probably good programmers.

    It would be interesting to compare the economic costs of losing the World Trade Center buildings to the economic cost of viruses and fighting them.

    It could be a case of "we are at war with you and I made this virus to cost you money and productivity."

  34. Buffer overflows by fungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Most of these worms exploit buffer overflows.

    Just like most exploits under Unix systems.

    I think we'll see less occurances of theses worms when NX-compatible processors become common.

    Like AMD64 processors...

  35. Re:I wonder if virus writters know the damage they by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

    If i was going to write a virus, it would be an oldschool virus, and would display a skull on the screen with "Fuck the RIAA" scrolling across the screen, then remove itself.

    --
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  36. Stopping comment spam by sbszine · · Score: 1

    There's a good page on stopping comment spam here.

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  37. Hidden cost of outsourcing? by TOOSuave · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    That'll teach people what outsourcing can lead to!

  38. Re:That's all very nice, but Sophos is 'moneyware' by docbrazen · · Score: 5, Informative

    You could try:

    ClamAV, A GPL virus scanner featuring:
    * command-line scanner
    * fast, multi-threaded daemon
    * milter interface for sendmail
    * database updater with support for digital signatures
    * virus scanner C library
    * on-access scanning (Linux and FreeBSD)
    * detection of over 20000 viruses, worms and trojans
    * built-in support for RAR (2.0), Zip, Gzip, Bzip2
    * built-in support for Mbox, Maildir and raw mail files

    I use ClamAV on my mail server and it works pretty good.

    There is also an open source windows version called ClamWin Antivirus.

  39. Social Engineering by ThisIsFred · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd say that social engineering worms are superior to every other type of malware, no matter how elegantly written past viruses/worms may have been. Why bother with rewriting partition tables, privilege elevation exploits, or VB scripts that take over Outlook, when the user will willingly run the code based on a one sentence message from some stranger? If you had told me this 10 years ago, I would have laughed at the prospect that gullibility and ease-of-use would be the two greatest threats to computer security. Amazing.

    Sasser may have generated the most complaints for lazy [and/or clueless] admins, but these mailer worms are the biggest headache for me. Unlike Sasser (we have no cases of it), the social engineering ploy is going to continue to be effective until e-mail as we know it changes. Sender authentication + SMTP would fix both spam and virus problems, unfortunately at a great cost in convenience to users. Considering that almost everyone I know receives 90 per cent spam/viruses in their inboxes every day, that inconvenience is looking more trivial every year.

    --
    Fred

    "A fool and his freedom are soon parted"
    -RMS
    1. Re:Social Engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Social Engeering does NOT shut down 1,000,000 of systems at the same time!

    2. Re:Social Engineering by ThisIsFred · · Score: 1

      One million? Is that all? Considering that the infection rate for all variants these mailer worms was near 90 per cent for Windows machines... How many tens of millions of machines does that work out to? What if one of those mailer worms had a payload that was purposefully designed to do damage, or breech security? How would you protect your network from it. Switch off the mail server? Cut off access to the Internet?

      What if the author of the worm had a design goal - Say, to circumvent security and copy the entire source tree of a popular forthcoming game, delaying its release by another year. Not that this ever happened.

      --
      Fred

      "A fool and his freedom are soon parted"
      -RMS
  40. 959 new virusses and I did not see one! by Teun · · Score: 0
    So many new W32 exploits in May, just as well Norton Defrag / NDD hosed my Windows directory at around the start of the counter!

    I think I will just keep that FAT32 partition for storage.

    --
    "The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
  41. Re:I wonder if virus writters know the damage they by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 1

    I wonder if virus writters know the damage they do...

    What damage are you talking about?

    I think viruses do more to strengthen the software business than cheap powerful and unbreakable software does.

    ie: Imagine someone who doesn't know a thing about computers, being able to go out and get a computer system, set it up, and have 0 problems with it. That would put 99% of I.T. businesses out of business!

    --

    "If anything can go wrong, it will." - Murphy

  42. Sophos, in case you've forgotten... by gumpish · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sophos, in case you've forgotten, are the same bunch of asshats who asserted to the media that Linux advocates were responsible for the MyDoom worm.

  43. ISPs should be doing this unless by dpilot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unfortunately most ISPs don't qualify as much more knowledgable than most users. Therefore they'd find a cheap solution and deploy it. Period. I'm waiting fearfully for Cisco or somebody to introduce a cheap/powerful enough router or some piece of head-end gear that the ISPs will just turn on stateful packet filtering across the board, and deny all incoming connections.

    And of course this still won't stop the problems, because there will still be other disease vectors besides incoming connections. So I also won't be surprised to see rate limits on outgoing email and filters on every outgoing port where the ISP provides that service in-house.

    They've only begun closing down the Internet. There's lots more to go, in the name of spam, virii, and terrorism.

    As for 'users capable of administering their own connection,' no way. Who evaluates? Giving every idiot who simply asks full privileges opens the floodgates, again. Probably the simplest, most likely thing would be to allow MSCEs to administer their own connections. Is that what you really wanted?

    Mildly off-topic... Sometime I'd like to take a look at the most simply-caught spam. IMHO, spam would be a great way to broadcast clandesting (including terrorist) information. Nobody reads the stuff, or at least most people try not to. A little deception, a little steganography, a little encryption, a little spread-spectrum, (split/interleave the message amoung many pieces of spam) and you've got a terrific worldwide communications channel.

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    1. Re:ISPs should be doing this unless by The+Vulture · · Score: 1

      At least in terms of cable modem networks, the equipment is already there. In the last few years, there's been some steady advances in the silicon (Broadcom's cable modem and CMTS chips have added quite a few new features, which frees up software processing) of both cable modems and the CMTS. And, to top it off, most of the filtering is done on the individual cable modem side, which puts less load on the head-ends.

      Most configuration files for DOCSIS cable modems block at least a dozen ports nowadays (including some of the common server ports, depending on the operator).

      I think for the moment, the only reason why the ISPs aren't buying these new products is because they're still paying off the previous generation of products that they bought.

      A CMTS is at least $30,000, depending on the features, up to $50,000 (including a support package). Many cable operators are going straight from DOCSIS 1.0 to DOCSIS 2.0, without the DOCSIS 1.1 step because of the cost of migration.

      -- Joe

    2. Re: ISPs should be doing this unless by fugas · · Score: 1
      Probably the simplest, most likely thing would be to allow MSCEs to administer their own connections. Is that what you really wanted?

      No, the world would be better off if everyone but MCSEs were allowed to administer their own connections :)

    3. Re:ISPs should be doing this unless by surprise_audit · · Score: 1
      IMHO, spam would be a great way to broadcast clandesting (including terrorist) information.

      IMHO, why would anyone bother using spam?? Just create a web page with the clandestine message buried in the html. Suppose the hypothetical operative had a one-time pad of page edits to watch for - say, a form tag on a given page changing from "method=post" to "method=POST". That change on one page could mean "attack on Tuesday", on another "kill the second person on your list", or on another "run away, your cover has been blown". And more complex instructions could indeed be embedded in images, or split between pages.

      The leaders wouldn't even have to host their own web pages - they could use one (or several) of the web communities (FortuneCity, AngelFire, etc) or a blog site like LiveJournal. Or put their own server online just long enough for Google to index and mirror it...

    4. Re:ISPs should be doing this unless by JuggleGeek · · Score: 1
      spam would be a great way to broadcast clandesting (including terrorist) information.

      Usenet would be easier, IMO.

  44. Re:That's all very nice, but Sophos is 'moneyware' by Ggggeo · · Score: 2, Funny
    What a stunning endorsement:

    I use ClamAV on my mail server and it works pretty good.
    When you think mediocrity, think ClamAV

    :)

    --
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  45. AV in XP SP2 by aardwolf204 · · Score: 1

    If Microsoft cares so much about security now, then why don't they include free virus scanning software with Windows?

    At least MS will be adding better Anti-Virus integration support for 3rd party anti-virus developers in Windows XP SP2. Article

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  46. Re:Dirty May by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seriously.. this is funny.. :(

  47. Shhhhhh..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....dont say any more or Mr.Bush might come with some new sort of terror threat/conspiracy theory as to why his popularity is failing

  48. Re:I wonder if virus writters know the damage they by ImpTech · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't worry. Even if all the virus writers go away, there will still be the spammers and the spyware writers. Not to mention the really-shitty-driver writers. They're the most nefarious of the bunch.

  49. What IT Won't Admit by Emperor+Tiberius · · Score: 1

    We all know it, but in some environments, virus and spam crap keeps some ITs in their jobs. So as much as we curse spam and virus authors, it does keep getting us our paycheck time and time again.

  50. Call me a troll but... by azav · · Score: 1, Informative

    Get a mac, even a used one, and you won't have to worry about this crap.

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    1. Re:Call me a troll but... by js3 · · Score: 1

      don't use IE, don't use outlook, don't run as root. Simple advice that will keep you relatively safe no matter the os. A router or nat helps too

      --
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    2. Re:Call me a troll but... by emorphien · · Score: 1

      Yeah but if we all did that then it would be a problem! And people would then say the same thing about Windows.

      Damn we just can't win!

      --


      Presently here, but not there.
  51. There aren't many damaging viruses out there. by khasim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And I don't mean "will instantly wipe your hard drive".

    I mean ones that will randomly alter numbers in Excel spreadsheets and Access databases.

    At the moment, viruses are just a really huge annoyance and a means for spammers to grab more zombies.

    I think the copycat viruses are because it is far easier to copy what someone else has already proven than it is to do original work. I also believe that most virus writers aren't that great at writing code. But that's just my personal opinion. The majority of "viruses" I see via the email scanner are the old "click the attachment" types of trojans. Social engineering.

  52. Spyware - The Next Plague? by sheepster · · Score: 1

    Spyware may be the next playground for the virus writers. God help us all if 30 million spyware trojans get hijacked.

  53. Mediocrity! by MarcQuadra · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When you think mediocrity, think ClamAV

    That might actually help it penetrate the corporate and academic markets.

    Seriously though, the names of some OSS projects totally preclude their penetration in some markets. I asked my boss if we could put 'the GIMP' on the image for the summer, and only purchase a Photoshop seat when requested; she laughed at me and said 'no', then asked what the GIMP was.

    --
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    1. Re:Mediocrity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Women possess the incapacity to be smart though, their brain cannot think logically.

      Let's break this sentance down:

      Women (plural) possess the incapacity (WTF? How can you have something that isn't? Brain hurt.) to be smart though, (comma splice) their (plural) brain (singular -- are you implying that they all share one brain?) cannot think logically. (Much like the author of the quoted sentance.)

      Yes, yes, it was a stupid troll, but that was fun.

      Ahem...

      Get a brian, morans.[sic]

    2. Re:Mediocrity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiots argue on semantics.
      You are a pussy whipped modern-man, go castrate yourself on the pagan goddess alter of abortion ... women's rights.

    3. Re:Mediocrity! by Tandoori+Haggis · · Score: 1

      Okay. I think we now know what kind of parties your boss goes to for recreation....

      Gimp (sadomasochism)
      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

      Gimp refers to a normally male sex slave, typically dressed in black leather (or rubber) and wearing a mask of the same material. This apparel emphasises sexuality by drawing attention to the crotch and chest. Sadomasochistic practice often features in the notion of the gimp, with a partnership between gimp and dominatrix (or dominant).

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  54. Re:That's all very nice, but Sophos is 'moneyware' by B747SP · · Score: 1
    You could try: ClamAV, A GPL virus scanner featuring:

    Thanks, that looks excellent, just what the doctor ordered. I love slashdot, it's every bit as helpful as usenet, but faster! :-)

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  55. Re:That's all very nice, but Sophos is 'moneyware' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    FYI: Other AV companies (like sophos) detect well over 90,000 viruses, worms, and trojans. I would not be touting 20k.

  56. Raging at the Machines by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Speaking of viruses, etc. It seems that in an incredibly noisome network environment of viruses, spyware, malicious toolbars, the prudent computer user/administrator has to load up his computer with antivirus programs, adware removers/blockers , firewall software, etc.

    This serves to further complicate an already complicated system, and so strange side effects are more likely to pop-up (no pun intended). Such as between badly written printer drivers and firewall software, of all things.

    Foolishly, a couple weeks ago I volunteered to help a friend out with his home computer. Of course, it was practically locked up with all the crap he had on there. I re-installed it (XP Home), put on the cr. updates, got him set up with Mozilla, AdAware, Spybot S&D, and ZoneAlarm.

    I even talked him into getting his family members to use a limited account on the system, to hopefully keep the system as clean as possible for as long as possible. (However, I now realize that many games and other apps don't run properly under anything but an Admin account... so what's the use of that? Growl...)

    Printer was working, everything. So I handed it over to him, and a couple days later he calls me to tell me that the printer stopped working. In his effort to be helpful, he clumsily re-installed the printer drivers, but with the old version, not the new. I got it straightened out again, and after some research, discovered that his printer driver (for an HP Photosmart 7350), has some kind of funky problem with the latest version of the free Zone Alarm. But I managed a workaround to this by having him restart his printer driver service. That was yesterday.

    Now, something else has happened to the printer, the goddamned thing won't print at all, and re-installing the printer drivers makes not ONE fucking difference.

    So what's my point (other than the one under my hat ha-ha)?

    1) We have to try to protect ourselves from all the low-lifes trying to own our systems, and in so doing, make our systems even more complicated and difficult to get them to perform the tasks we have them for in the first goddamned place.

    2) No matter how much you straighten out somebody's system for them, they can balls it right up again within a short span. Only this time, it's YOUR fault. (I thought of keeping the admin password only to myself for the trial period, but as I mentioned, in order to use it for games, they have to log in as Admin. So they can change anything, install anything, and then play innocent when it breaks.)

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    They say the first thing to go is your penis. Well, it's either that or your brain. I forget which...
  57. Re: who modded parent post insightful?? by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    There are solutions for scanning for and removing virii without having to run from the compromised environment!

    http://www.avast.com/i_idt_154.html

    But that fact aside, the real point to antivirus software is to prevent a virus-infected piece of code from being run on a previously uninfected machine. If a scanner works properly, it will identify the malicious code BEFORE the computer gets a chance to run it and allow it to cause damage. Why is this concept "doomed" from the start?? In my experience, it's exceedingly rare that someone gets a virus infection while running the most current version of a quality antivirus product. The trouble generally starts when people either stop getting regular signature updates *OR* keep renewing subscriptions for 2+ year old versions of scanners. (EG. If you run Norton AntiVirus 2001 on your Windows PC, having the latest signature updates may not do you loads of good, because the main "engine" that tries to match up code against the signatures isn't as intelligent as the "engine" used in their 2004 version of the product.)

  58. Native 64-bit Windows virus: w64.rugrat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc /data/w64.rugrat.3344.html

    When 64-bit Windows is widely available, the viruses will already be there waiting!

  59. my scifi worry is... by Snafoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    that once biotech takes off we'll see the same explosion in human virii that we currently see in their digital cognates.

    'Bitter, disillusioned teenager (or bitter, disillusioned terrorist) whips up new version of influenza, pictures and patches at eleven. If you live on the south side of the river, however, you're as good as dead, please try X brand tylenol for all your lethal-flu-related misery.'

    BTW, what would a human equivalent to 'Windows Update' look like?

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    - undoware.ca
    1. Re:my scifi worry is... by am+2k · · Score: 2, Insightful
      BTW, what would a human equivalent to 'Windows Update' look like?
      Active immunisation? We're already doing that today, even for influenza (which mutates on a yearly basis anyways).
    2. Re:my scifi worry is... by NotZed · · Score: 1

      This happens naturally, all the time. But, some might say unfortunately, its biodiversity protects the species as a whole. Sure people die, but look at SARS, very few people actually died - a minority of few people who even caught it. But people die all the time anyway - its a natural part of life.

      It's the mono-culture of Windows which is its main downfall, regardless of how insecure or otherwise it might be 'inherently'. And conversely one of Linux's strengths - even if you're running the same buggy kernel, which you probably wont be, and even if you're running on the same architecture, which you needn't be, you're probably not running the same buggy version of the same buggy app anyway.

      Other mono-culture environments - like modern food production - now thats where bioengineered viruses (and even natural ones) could get really nasty. Particularly with the 'bioengineered' (engineering is somewhat over-used here, its more like trying to build a car by chucking lumps of metal in a can and shaking it up) crops which generally go for yield or appearance over, say, disease resistance (or taste, or anything else it seems).

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  60. Re:I wonder if virus writters know the damage they by Erwos · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At the risk of sounding like a bigger loser than I really am:

    One time, when I was bored a number of years ago (think, 10-12 years ago), I was browsing through the complete listing of viruses for the Mac that the virus scanner would catch. There were only a couple hundred at the time, and pretty much all of them were trojans.

    Something that struck me was the number of political ones. A rather significant percentage were designed to spread a message. I find this interesting, because nowadays, that political element seems to be totally gone. That's not to say they didn't have destructive payloads - I recall that more often than not, they did.

    I think it would be a fairly interesting study to hunt down early virus databases and compare them to ones today.

    -Erwos

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  61. Accordingly... by crashnbur · · Score: 1

    ...as opposed to coincidentally or ironically...

    I ran into my first virus problem in over three years this last week. I wasn't concerned enough to actually get the name of it, but it wasn't anything I've seen making any headlines. All I remember is Norton found it and eradicated it (apparently) before it did anything.

    But it was enough to get my attention when my box screamed "virus alert!" at me in the middle of listening to music. Oh well, no worries.

  62. Re:Security...So Sorry, Linksys routers wont do! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've read not one but two articles on this recently, too, that Linksys has problems with not only the wireless (shudder, who would want THAT headache) but also their BEFSR-41 plain old wired router. HardOCP I believe had one of em, link over and read up.

    Thankfully, companies like BellSouth (like they need praise) DO send out Westel dsl modems that have NAT functions built in, so maybe some folks are being spared a number of online goodies being sent to them. Lets at least hope!

    goodnight and have a pleasant tomorrow

  63. Time to ditch Windows? by penginkun · · Score: 1

    I'd love to ditch Windows and move my PC over the rainbow to Linux, but dammit, there are no known drivers for my wireless card! Will someone PLEASE code some drivers for the D-Link DWL-G510 card? I'd do it myself, but the last time I did any programming was back in high school on an Apple //e, and methinks things have advanced a bit since Applesoft BASIC was the standard.

    I'd buy a new Mac but I just built the PC and there's no chance in hell of my convincing the wife to let me spend MORE money now.

    1. Re:Time to ditch Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you buy a wireless card which you can use with another OS other than Windows? Do your research, then shop around. Check eBay, Fry's, Microcenter, the Hamfests; check the sales flyers. You easily find something for 20 or 30 bucks.

    2. Re:Time to ditch Windows? by JessLeah · · Score: 1
  64. Re:I wonder if virus writters know the damage they by Stallmanite · · Score: 1

    I am sure most of them see it as a joke or some political statement. But the political statement is pretty lame because no one knows what your angry about, "I Made this virus to protest the war?", "I made this virus to protest the the treatment of X", "I Made this virus because I don't like X company". When you get a virus it doesn't seem to spur the ideas that the virus writer wanted to portray.

    This is exactly why I don't think that worms are primarily the work of geeks. If it was then they would make statements. We would see stuff like:

    1) a worm that deletes harddrives that _don't_ have mp3s, released during the fall of napster.

    2) People complain about the commercialization of the web. Someone would use a worm to install ad blocking stuff in IE, to put the advertisers out of business.

    but we don't see stuff like that. We see Trojans and spam networks mostly, with the occasional anti-worm.

    I don't believe its geek kids just out to do damage either, because they hardly delete harddrives anymore. I think Bruce Perens is right, that its primarily the work of spammers, not crackers or script kiddies.

  65. But it's a good occupation! by emorphien · · Score: 1

    All this goes to show that one of the few profitable occupations is to be a virus writer.

    Err, just do something bad that generally makes life less enjoyable for the masses. You're guaranteed success. If Bush gets re-elected them my point is proven.

    *snickers* I keed I keed

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  66. Why do people still use windows? by kop · · Score: 1

    It may sound trollish but i wonder why do are people and especially company's not switching over to linux or osX in droves?
    It instantly fixes so many security problems that it seems like an easy decision.
    What are the factors, apart from enertia, that keep em hooked?

    1. Re:Why do people still use windows? by c00k13m0n5t3r · · Score: 1

      Errr...money?

  67. Re:That's all very nice, but Sophos is 'moneyware' by the+real+darkskye · · Score: 1

    f-prot has a native bsd version, with free cron job to download updates!

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    It's only publishers who think that people own it.
    Fuck Beta
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  68. You need to know this by RedLaggedTeut · · Score: 2, Funny

    A very good parent post. You should forward a copy of it to all of your friends by email.

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    I'm still trying to figure out what people mean by 'social skills' here.
  69. cough* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Herbert A. Zimmerman's doorMAT factory.

    No Highschool diploma, ahh...

    I hear houses without carpets are easier to clean and there aren't any carpet fibers to host the lice and mold and fungus that cause breathing problems in children and generally all Asthmatics.

    HAZMAT...ahhhh, mommy.

  70. What's important is HOW they infect by prandal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There are several infection vectors used by the current round of viruses. I'm assuming that even fully patched versions of Windows, Outlook Express, and Internet Explorer are vulnerable to security exploits (they are).

    1: Executable attached to email, either auto-infecting or using the social engineering made possible by Microsoft's "virus-friendly" File Extension Hiding. So people click on what they think is a text file attachment (where even the icon makes them think that it is a genuine text file). As I've repeatedly said before, it is time that Microsoft released a patch to completely diasble and remove this dubious feature from Windows.

    Cure: Use a non-Microsoft email reader - Pegasus Mail, Thunderbird, whatever.

    2: Social engineering via email. Who in their right mind would open an attached password-protected .zip file where the password was given in the email body?

    Cure: User education.

    3: Seemingly innocent HTML emails which contain an OBJECT DATA exploit.

    Cure: Don't use Outlook. Use an email gateway box running MailScanner to disarm dangerous HTML tags.

    4: Worms spread via direct connect to your PC.

    Cure: Proper firewalling, use application proxies and don't NAT anything to the net. This is more appropriate in a corporate environment.

    5: Web pages with dangerous HTML which, by exploiting IE or Outlook Express vulnernabilities, run malware on your PC.

    Cure: Use a proxy server which strips all dangerous tags; Dump Internet Explorer and use Mozilla Firefox instead.

    6: You are "Protected" by Antivirus software but the virus / worm got you before the vendor's weekly update came out. (Waving to McAfee and Symantec as I write this). This is the BIGGEST change I've seen in virus behaviour this year. Since February, we've been catching viruses/worms before some of the main vendors have had updated patterns out. (thanks ClamAV and Bitdefender).

    Cure: Antivirus vendors need to release patterns as soon as they've got the virus signatures tested, and not wait to see if an outbreak happens. Users need to update their virus patterns on an hourly basis, not weekly.

    That'll do for starters.

    1. Re:What's important is HOW they infect by paj1234 · · Score: 1

      > Who in their right mind would open an attached
      > password-protected .zip file where the
      > password was given in the email body?

      More important is what OS in its right mind would EXECUTE a program file contained in the .zip file without any thought?

      > Cure: User education.

      Calling for user education in this context is an admission of failure, IMHO. The right cure: Proper OS design, so program files have to be marked as executable before they can be run. Then users can happily click away on their pictures and other attachments, without having to worry about accidentally running unsolicited program files.

  71. clamscan on osx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    i've installed clamav on osx too just by the way, i don't think it fully works...clamd not running and i'm not sure if i can't get clamscan to work because im making a configuration foobar of some other reason... but certainly clamscan can be used to scan files from terminal.
    and i think freshclam may not be the only way to update the virus definitions but i've not looked too hard into it

  72. why would anyone bother using spam?? by dpilot · · Score: 1

    Offline processing. Set a simple filter against the inbox, and have it collect/consolidate for you while you're out acting like a pillar of the community. Using the web could be automated, but it would be more trouble.

    Besides, using spam has the good (to clandestine types) side-effect of clogging the Internet and annoying Westerners.

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  73. More stick, less carrot by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    even the arrest of Sven Jaschan ...has done nothing to curb the problem

    What about the public evisceration and flaying of Mr. Jaschan alive? I'd say by the time you've brutally tortured to death your 5th or 6th l33t hax0r, the number of new viruses might just start to fall.

    (having just spent all last night cleaning & disinfecting a friend's home LAN, after one of his kids accidently went to a wrong url...)

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    -Styopa
  74. Hence the change! by liam_p · · Score: 1

    To be honest, thats not really a suprise and is one of the reasons I've just wiped my windows disk and installed linux. Perhaps if more people did the same the problems wouldn't be so bad...?

  75. Oh god...here come the windows bashers... by zerofoo · · Score: 1

    I'm a network admin for a school. We run linux, OS X and predominantly WINDOWS. We haven't had a virus incident in over 4 years (since I started).

    Why you ask?

    We scan/filter web content, email, and every single file that comes and goes from our systems. We prohibit users from installing any software (via software enforced lockdown - not "honor system"). We distribute patches on a timely basis via automated patch management systems (microsoft makes this particularly easy).

    Bottom line - we prevent stupid users from doing stupid things.

    This will NEVER happen with a non-technical home user. As long as the home user is responsible for keeping his/her machine patched/updated and can mindlessly install software we will ALWAYS have this problem. I know people who KNOWINGLY have infected machines spewing out god knows what - and they don't take the effort to clean their machines because the machines still run!

    It doesn't matter whether it's Linux, OS X, or Windows. If OS X reaches 95% market penetration, malware writers will write crap to run on those machines. Stupid people are the problem - not the platforms.

    -ted

    1. Re:Oh god...here come the windows bashers... by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

      well ted, you may be one of the few admins who actually protect their system with regular scans and patches. Most write out their security guidlines, then file the guidlines in a folder never to be seen again.

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  76. I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have never been infected by a windows virus. And it's not like I do a whole lot of fuckin work to prevent it either. I only have 1 windows box, my laptop. It dual boots with slackware, I only use it for school. Whenever I boot up I run my symantec update, takes less than two minutes. I then check windows update, unless there is a service pack this only takes a couple of minutes as well. None of this is fuckin rocket science and it takes less than ten minutes a day. I understand in a corporate enviroment that it isn't this easy, but for home users it shouldn't be that fuckin hard. People are just to fucking lazy, they deserve whatever shit they get if they can't take a few minutes to do these two things.

    defiance
    http://stageofbattle.org

  77. A Sure Sign . . . by Dausha · · Score: 1

    The dramatic rise in viruses means the economy is on the mend. Isn't that an old trailing indicator from way back--when the number of new computer viruses rises, the economy is back to full tilt?

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  78. Sophos??? by teflaime · · Score: 1

    Sophos is hardly a definitive source. I'm usually more surprised when their AV catches a virus that when it fails too. Indeed, combine Sophas AV with their PureMessage anti-spam product and you will virtually guarantee that no email will ever get to a user at your organization. Unless it happens to be a new virus. Though I also dislike the Trend av product, their virus tracking center is at least trustable.

  79. 100,000??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In my recent series of interviews, I applied for a Lead Programmer position requiring extensive experience in C++, VB, SQL, and administration experience in SQL Server 6.5 through 2000.

    Most of the people bidding against me were asking for less than half of your figure, and had been working in the industry for several years. This is one example, though it is both typical of my own experience, and of the experience of every IT person I know.

    I think you fail to realize just how bad the tech economy really is. The CS grads aren't angry about not being able to find a $100,000 IT job...they are angry about not being able to find an IT job at all.

  80. Security is just too much trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to this article anyway. Corporate policies may emphasize security, but getting managers to actually live up to them is another issue entirely.

    And when the viruses cause harm, they never blame their own bad security practices. They just complain about how evil and skilled the hackers are or how bad Windows was designed, etc.

    If they disliked the design of Windows so badly, why not switch to Unix? Is it because Unix is so much more expensive than the cost of Windows plus the cost of recovering from virus damage? Or is it because a system designed with a robust security model is just too troublesome?

  81. You hit it on the nose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have several friends who are proud of their shiny new XP computers. They play fun games, do their taxes, send email, and surf the web. Big fun!

    The strange pop-up ads start making their appearance in less than six hours. By the end of the week, they are asking me why their computer is slow, why they are constantly bombarded with ads even when not surfing, and why their virus scanner has suddenly stoped working.

    When I give them steps to clean that crap up and secure their computer, they just throw the letter away. Its simply too complicated for them. Even if most of them were willing to put forth the effort, they are too computer illiterate to pull it off. And even if I do it for them, and give them instructions on what to avoid....they eventually do something "stupid." Not stupid to them of course, only stupid to an experienced computer geek.

    That's what one would expect from the mass distribution of a powerful operating system designed to be easy-to-use for the non-IT populace.

  82. Six Figures Here I Come by 4of12 · · Score: 1

    because some CS graduate is having a hard time finding that $100,000 a year job

    Hey - this page of classified job ads is from 1998!

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  83. Obvious! by J'raxis · · Score: 1

    Obvious!