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A Look at the Newly Released Mozilla Firefox 0.9
SilentBob4 writes "Mad Penguin is one of the first to review the latest Mozilla Firefox release, numbered 0.9. According to the reviewer, there's a lot to be thankful for, as this release is far more stable than its earlier versions and sports some new features along with a new interface. My new all-time-favorite line: 'Look out Internet Explorer... your days have been numbered for some time now, but Firefox 1.0 will surely leave you shaking on your already shaky foundations and standing in a small warm puddle'. Nicely put."
'Look out Internet Explorer... your days have been numbered for some time now, but Firefox 1.0 will surely leave you shaking on your already shaky foundations and standing in a small warm puddle'
Unfortunately, the most feature-rich products do not always get to be standard-setters. <thinking>countless examples</thinking> It often takes loads of marketing hype and product leverage to leap over the competition, something that Firefox doesn't have in spades.
I love Firefox. The best it can do--at least IMO--is raise the bar for commercial browsers. I do hope I'm wrong on this point, however.
Sigs cause cancer.
'Look out Internet Explorer... your days have been numbered for some time now, but Firefox 1.0 will surely leave you shaking on your already shaky foundations and standing in a small warm puddle'. Nicely put.
Nicely put? Whatever. The writer seems so excited about his pun about Microsoft wetting itself that he ignored how awkward it sounds using the root word "shake" twice so quickly. He could have said "precarious position" instead of "shaky foundations," or even "trembling" instead of "shaking."
On topic: Microsoft has nothing to worry about from Firefox. Until Microsoft is forced to package Firefox along with Windows, as well as make it the default browser, the Mozilla crew will never catch up.
"Come on, let's go drink till we can't feel feelings anymore."
If superior quality software always beat out the competition, Microsoft would not have their current market dominance. Sadly, they do.
Alphanos
I think it should be noted that the Firefox homepage makes no mention of 0.9 yet. Though, there is a release notes page for it, the links point to 0.8 still. Also, there is nothing in the releases folder on the Mozilla.org ftp for it yet.
or has 0.9 not yet been released? How can you review software that isn't yet available?
0.8, 0.9, 0.99, 0.999, 0.9999... Man, we are so close to 1.0!
The work that the Mozilla team is doing is great, and we are all aware that Interent Explorer is worthless right now. Unfortunately they may be winning the battle but losing the war so to speak. Microsoft is sitting out this round because they can afford to.
Microsoft is NOT an innovator, so they need to get their ideas somewhere. I'd be willing to bet that they're biding their time, letting open source do free research and development for them. Then hand pick the best ideas for plugins, tabbed interfaces, etc and incorporate them into IE for Longhorn, which will then be shoved down the throats of the masses in 2006.
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First Look at Mozilla Firefox 0.9
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Last update: 06-14-2004
Submitted by Adam Doxtater
The last time we looked at Mozilla Firefox , it was still called Mozilla Firebird and then only in version 0.6. Times have changed. Oh how they've changed. Today, The browser with the identity crisis has a sleek new interface, modern features, and is blowing the doors off its competition... and this is putting it mildly.
Mozilla Firefox ( release notes | roadmap ) is a completely modular browser consisting of a basic, streamlined framework upon which users can add ' extensions ', which (just as the name implies) are essentially plugins for the browser. The idea of less is more has been taken to the next level with this browser. With the default browser, you have just enough browser to do pretty much anything you can on the Internet, while more advanced, custom functionality is reserved to the extensions. For instance, you can load extra functionality such as more precise ad blocking, mouse gestures, website registration bypassing, dictionary, user agent switching, complete page and listbox/textbox searching, text zooming, UI tweaks, and the list goes on. There are so many possibilities I can't go into them all here.
When compared to browsers such as Internet Explorer, Firefox is light years ahead. Microsoft will need to do some serious footwork to catch up to the usability and functionality of this browser. Seriously. The only browsers that come close are Mozilla (of course), Opera , and Konqueror . Safari is also coming along nicely on OS X . The beauty of this browser is not only its functionality... it also lies in its portability. Firefox is currently supported under Linux (GTK+-Xft), Mac OSX, Sun Solaris SPARC/x86, Sun JDS 2003, Microsoft Windows (all versions), and IBM OS/2 , so you can drop it onto almost anything with a modern CPU ( system requirements )
The Mozilla Firefox 0.9 browser
What's new in version 0.9?
This is the last preview release before Firefox comes of age at milestone version 1.0, so what new features have been implemented? Well, at first glance all you will notice is the interface has been redesigned with an updated theme. At first I didn't quite know how to take it, but now that I've used it for a while it's grown on me. The new look is very minimalistic, clinging tightly to the focus of the browser itself. Anyway, here's a more complete listing for those of you who are skimming:
* New default theme - Like I said, it sports a new sleek skin (seen in the screenshots of this review).
* Redesigned theme/extension managers & SmartUpdate - Newly redesigned interfaces make it even easier to manage your browser, as well as keeping it up to date with smart notifications
* Installer updates - Linux now has an installer for GTK2, and the Windows package has gotten smaller - to the tune of 4.6MB.
* Easier migration - Migrating your important information and settings from other browsers has never been easier. Firefox can now import settings from previous versions, Internet Explorer, Netscape, Mozilla, and Opera. This includes favorites, settings, cookies, history and saved passwords.
* Help - An updated online help system is now available. This is in addition to the wonderful Firefox Forums and existing help material
* Linux look and feel - Much work has gone into the UI, making it adhere better to GTK2 themes. Menus now look like they belong in the desktop scheme like they were meant to be.
Not only were new features added to this release, work continues to keep bugs squashed, past and present, so the browser feels far more stable than it has in the past. Don't get me wrong, this browser has always been ahead of its time in terms of vision and scope, but it has had its fair share of bugs, but so far as I can tell by running this release constantly for the past week or so it looks pretty solid. It hasn't crashed once, and let me tell you this is a definite improveme
John Kerry is a Joke!
It's pretty much decided that our 150+ employee company will be running mozilla firefox. Now, I understand that our little 150 employee company doesn't mean all that much in the big scheme of things, but if we're doing it, there has to be lots more that are also considering and/or doing it.
I can count to 1023 on my hands. Ask me about #132.
'Look out Internet Explorer... your days have been numbered for some time now, but Firefox 1.0 will surely leave you shaking on your already shaky foundations and standing in a small warm puddle'
What about:
Internet Explorer, your pitiful life is soon to be ended by my completion. My mercy will allow you to die quickly and rot away. Your miserable "browser" functions is a thread against the race of the free, and you deserve the greatest and most horrible deseases known to man.
Anyway, Firefox cannot beat IE off the top rank. It's simply becaues IE comes with Windows, and no smallwited user would know that there's alternatives, at all.
As a recently converted and quite happy Firefox user, First off, yay!
However, I just don't see IE going anywhere, ever. Not while Windows is on 90+% of mainstream desktops. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but just because a product is better, does not mean it will be successful.
I am all for Mozilla/Firefox, but I just can't see it ever landing on my fathers Dell, or my aunt's HP.
unless, of course, I put it there, but they call me enough already with stupid user questions... I ain't giving them a new piece of software.
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...take a look at Jesse's more detailed and informative list
Firefox is Mozilla without the email client, right? It can accept the same modules/plugins and everything, right? Or am I way off?
Firefox is based on mozilla code. They created a stand alone browser that was better, smaller, faster than the mozilla one. They also want to redo the concept of mozilla proper where all the components can either be stand alone application or extensions to FireFox. Chec out the roadmap for a better explanation.
--- Justin Dearing http://www.justaprogrammer.net/ We're just programmers.
From the release notes:
7. Is Firefox just Mozilla with a couple UI tweaks?
Firefox is substantially different, featuring a number of exclusive features and countless refinements. Well over 120,000 lines of code have been added or changed in the browser and toolkit CVS directories since the project began.
Firefox is a web browser and does not do email. For email, use Thunderbird. Plugins for Mozilla generally work with Firefox but the extensions are usually not compatible with each other.
I have been using the 0.9rc since the day it came out. It's ok, maybe a bit better than 0.8, but hardly this amazing new day for Internet browsing. They squashed some bugs, but some long term bugs and annoyances still remain, and unfortunately it appears they have added one or two. Pesonally, it does not seem any more or less stable, but about the same. Regardless of all that, like 0.8 before it, it is still a hell of a lot better than IE.
Not quite. It is only a browser, but the plugin structure and all that is different from Mozilla. Firefox is based on the Mozilla source, but it's been gutted and reworked to be leaner and meaner, and a lot of things have changed, so plugins and skins have to be Firefox-specific. However, it's tons faster than Mozilla and much smaller, too, and there are already tons of skins and plugins for it. The authoritative resource for Firefox skins/plugins is here, and more are being ported every day, so chances are, if there's a plugin or skin you love for Mozilla, you can find it for Firefox.
0.9 has NOT been released. Only the release candidate is available, which I've been using for the last two days, and seems okay.
After a miss-typed URL sent me to one of those wonderful cyber-squatting "search" sites, which then proceeded to automatically install all sorts of nasty spyware and SMTP zombie malware, I banned IE from my house and removed all shortcuts and Program Menu options from all PCs. I made the decision to go with Firefox, and I can honestly tell you I haven't missed IE one bit, and there's not been one reason that I've had to open up IE again. My wife's been happy with it as well. It's clean, fast, renders pages great, much more informative about page loading status, and best of all it doesn't attempt to install software without my permission. I've encouraged everyone I know to give it a try.
I used to use Netscape all of the time. Not because it was a good browser, it actually felt too big, but because it wasn't IE. When firefox came out, I rejoiced at a small browser that didn't have all the crap that Netscape had built in. Firefox is the answer that I think many of us had been waiting for. Once it becomes more stable, more and more people will be switching over to it.
So... no, Mozilla is not dead.
As with every other Mozilla/Firefox/Firebird/Whatever-They-Call-It-Thi s-Week browser story, my question is... "So?". The review in no way mentions a single thing that makes this browser "better" or makes me want to take time to download and install a new program. Why? Give me a good, solid reason why I should download a new program, complete with potential problems, headaches, etc. to replace a perfectly good, functional program? I can't seem to think that the Mozilla developers are kind of like people developing new and better pencils. Except this special pencil is hard to find, takes time to figure out how to use, and does what, exactly, that a regular pencil doesn't do? "Come one and all! See our amazing new pencil! It'll revolutionize the hot, exciting pencil industry!! It'll change the way you use pencils! The lead is softer and the wood is harder! Can you imagine how much more work you could get done with this new pencil? " It's just silly.
but Firefox 1.0 will surely leave you shaking on your already shaky foundations and standing in a small warm puddle'
Firefox is an excellent browser; I've been using it happily since 0.6.
But while IE can claim that it "came with My Computer" Firefox cannot overcome it but very slowly and only among those who appreciate its superiority and have enough patience to download and install it.
AOL was the last distributor of millions of CDs who were in a position to bundle Mozilla and deliver it to the majority audience that will just take what they get.
"Provided by the management for your protection."
OK, let's correct the previous posters on this one.
Mozilla and Firefox share plugin (Java, Flash, etc...) structure.
Mozilla and Firefox are internally different when it comes to extensions (mouse gestures, etc...) and themes.
I tried these changes, and Firefox is noticeably faster:
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There is an interesting post on WebMasterWorld, on how to decrease the loading/rendering time of Firefox. I have tried the settings, and have noticed a mild improvement. Just wanted to share the information.
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum21/8007.htm
Edit: Updated Instructions:
open about_:config (without the underscore).
1.) network.http.pipelining = true
2.) network.http.pipelining.firstrequest = true
3.) network.http.pipelining.maxrequests = (the poster says 32, but suggest 8 is the limit)
4.) network.http.proxy.pipelining = true
Don't do number #5.
http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=
John Kerry is a Joke!
Isn't that the way things are usually done, to try to improve a product?
As long as enterprise level business app suppliers write enterprise level web based business apps that require IE plug-in compatibility, and big-business continues to buy these apps either because they are already heavily invested in the particular app, or they are MS shills, Internet Explorer will continue to be the standard browser of choice on Windows machines at enterprise level businesses. But Firefox is quite nice, a huge step in the right direction. I use it almost exclusively except at work.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
The article that this story is linked to has Mircosoft ads. So I started thinking ...
I have a simple way for us to get rid of or at least reduce the impact of thoughs stupid get the facts adds. CLIC ON THEM. This will cost microsoft money and if we feal like the extra effort we might as well ask for the free stuff that they are willing to send.
Somehow it thought that it would be proper to import my IE favorites and cookies, overwriting my existing Firefox settings while doing so. Oh well.
I believe they are DOM related javascript, there is a "document.all" to refer an object in IE, and KHTML either, correct me if it is not, and many web developer simply use it rather than the W3C standard "document.getElementById()" function. And unless gecko get enough marcket share, I don't think those lazy web developers will change "document.all" to "document.getElementById" And I believe this will happen eventually.
There is a spark in every single flame bait point.
This sort of behaviour pattern is similar to what happened back in the early-mid 90's when MS Office started to errode the dominance of WordPerfect and Lotus (and also Netscape).
Already my aging father has gone forth and converted at least a dozen of his own friends from IE to FireFox... and thus the chain reaction starts
To me, the biggest point in Firefox's favor its its security settings, and complete lack of support for activex (you can disable activex in IE, but it will keep bugging you every time an activex control tries to load - either in the form of confirmation dialogs or "this page may not be displayed properly" warning popups - really fun when some spyware ridden pages put themselves into a redirect loop if they detect that you rejected their crap, hoping that the user will get tired of the flood of confirmation dialogs and accidently click yes.)
;)
I guess the best way to describe the difference between Firefox and IE is this:
- With IE, web pages control the browser. They can open windows, close windows, hide your menu and toolbars, hide your status bar, and do god only knows what else.
- With Firefox, the user in in control, including JavaScript security policies and popup controls that define EXACTLY what web pages can and can't do. And the cookie controls are second only to lynx (which had fine-grained control on cookies from the moment they added persistant cookie support
And don't get me started on IE's security record and how long IE bugs are public before M$ even admits they exist, much less fixes them...
So I now use the Mozilla browser most of the time because it works well with the tab extensions.
I wish I were in a position to toss some money at firefox to support mainstreaming the tab extensions.
Totally disagree with the reviewer there. The theme is minimalistic indeed, but just a bit too much. Plus, I don't know why it's really called a theme when the icons don't really match styles among themselves.
The previous theme looked a lot better. I'm aware of the lisencing issues, but this one is just plain ugly and minimalistic to the point that when you start the browser you wonder if this is a high school level test application.
- sigs are for wimps.
Firefox Makes me have to do twice as much work. Let me explain.
Firefox is by far the best browser ever. It is fast, standards compliant, and runs on every platform i support.
The problem is when i develop in firefox. I do some web development, often on a dealine. If i make a stylesheet that looks awesome in firefox, 90% of the time it does not work in internet explorer, which, unfortunatly, is what 90% of my clients use.
So, after i think i'm done, and i test in ie, i know have to go back and fix it, which takes a while as IE is really borked. Therefore, i have to charge more, and my clients are not as happy.
I tell them to switch to firefox, but for some reason, they dont.It's to the point now that i've installed IE5.5 under wine, and i use that as my main development browser. sad but true. I use phoe^H^H^H^Hfirefox for my daily browsing, for sure, but IE to develop.
Strangely, if i make a site that works in IE, it'll usually work in ff and safari/khtml.
of course, this is all IE's fault.. my tongue is planted firmly in my cheek... but it is something that drives me nuts.
Remember, friends don't let friends use Internet Explorer.
Drew Crampsie - Software Developer
Open Source Business : The Tec
I'm going to guess that anybody named "The Mad Penguin" is probably not going to give us an unbiased review of MS products. Furthermore, the review has a clear fascination with lots of technical gadgetry that an average user could care less about.
Anybody who thinks Firefox should cause Microsoft to fear doesn't understand why Microsoft won the browser war. It's not because they were better, but rather because they were good enough and it came with the OS.
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No, it IS light years ahead of IE.
Unfortunately, IE cannot render properly coded HTML/XHTML/CSS, and therefore webmasters make buggy pages to appear correct in IE.
This means the buggy pages appear buggy in FF, which is just how they should appear, causing many people to think FF cannot render and IE is therefore better.
Once (and if) IE is booted off the top spot, you will see a vast majority of webmasters changing their crappy code for something which actually works right.
IE is paticularly bad for CSS (especailly CSS3) - This confirms that, Although FF isnt on the list, check out the Mozilla column compared to IE.. see what I mean?
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There is a spark in every single flame bait point.
Since Microsoft successfully drove Netscape from our desktops by shoving IE down our throats they've stopped innovating (unless you consider tighter integration into the OS an innovation). In the long run this will seal their doom.
Windows will lose steam (the movement is underway) Their proprietary options may suit your average PC user but in the ever-changing world of computing cross-platform is the wave of the future. Linux will continue to gain market share as will Apple. This may not be apparent to the media but I can tell you that among power users, at least in my circle, we welcome innovation, interoperability, and most of all options. Anti-Microsoft sentiment has never been higher. Microsoft's focus on marketing (and intellectual theft) over innovation can only carry them so far.
The open source movement is simply not something that M$ can buy themselves out of.
With that said I'm a very happy Mozilla user.
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What we really need is some kind of Firefox IE replacer installer...something that will:
Install Firefox
Install User-Agent Switcher with some pretty buttons
(plus tutorial)
Remove IE Icon
Automatically set all email url links to go to firefox.
Import the bookmarks, in the main folder.
i.e. make it mother-in-law proof.
Steven Vallarian>
I patented screwing your mom. But it got revoked for "prior art."
'Look out Internet Explorer... your days have been numbered for some time now, but Firefox 1.0 will surely leave you shaking on your already shaky foundations and standing in a small warm puddle'.
This is my favorite line, because it demonstrates how little open source people know about what the average joe wants. The average joe is never going to use FireFox unless some "nerdy" friend comes along and shows it to him/her. First of all you know how many people call the browsers "The Internet", in addition do you know how many people are just happy using what they have, because they may not care or know any better to use another browser.
The days may be numbered for IE in that there is a perceived better browser out there, but the days are not numbered for IE being used as the number one browser. Because most of the people using computers/internet today don't know much more than how to turn on their computer and use some familure applications. Also I love the guys that are using Linux and talking about how the days are numbered for IE.
My question is "How did you get IE installed on Linux?", since you seem to feel the days are numbered and you are running FireBird/Linux. Note I am not talking to the Windows guys that love FireBird, just the *nix guys that claim IE is numbered. It really shows how biased they are.
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Keep IE, then. Mozilla/Firefox are browsers, not VMs. They're not intended to run programs, only to download them.
If anyone bothered to take a look in the help section after they installed and clicked on about they would see this was built on the 8th of june. This is still the old build from last week. Hell the installer still says .8!
At my work with 250+ users, we are coming very close to making that decision. Part of the reason is that we have a number of users out in the field for long periods of time using laptops in the middle of nowhere. For the most part, any internet connections are dial-up.
So, part of our reason for seriously considering moving is that we've had a number of trojans on those machines exploiting IE holes. This combined with the pain of downloading MS patches on dial-ups is leading the IT department to lean toward a FireFox standard. One of the things that had been holding us back was problems with the iNotes client in FireFox 0.8. It works in 0.6, not 0.8. Well, it is working again in 0.9.
According to the link, the latest release is 0.8...
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but:
Mozilla/Firefox will not have "won" the war until the majority of programmers under MS Windows, upon needing to add an HTML render widget, or HTTP downloader, or FTP downloader to their app, do so by invoking the appropriate DLL from Mozilla rather than the IE/Windows DLL.
Until that day - until the day when one CAN remove IE and all of its component DLLs from Windows and replace them with Mozilla, MS will be the winners of the war.
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The OK and Cancel buttons being the wrong way around under KDE bugged the hell out of me, but I recently discovered this adjustment that solves that particular problem. It is a pain having to do this, but on the otherhand, at least it is fairly easy to make these changes and normally if something is bugging you, its probably bugging someone else and they've already fixed it!
HTH.
OK, Flash has its purposes. maybe I'll re-install it sometime. But when I don't have it installed, I'd like to stop being pestered by every Flash-containing site about it. Is there a simple way in Mozilla / Firebird / anything to preemptively ignore the [Install Flash Now / Cancel] dialogs?
Oh, and site designers: most sites' use of Flash is silly and wasteful. Just think what hell will be like, and enjoy the animation down there.
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
The RC *is* major feature complete, but (as evident with the new theme and extension work) is still needing a fair bit of work before release. 0.9 final is expected in July, 1.0 final is expected in September (at which point I'm more than happy to shove it on everybody and anybody :) ) See the Roadmap for details.
In a build I downloaded today, I even noticed that the profile importer now finally gives you the option of which profile to import from (eg IE, Netscape 4, Mozilla 1.x, etc) before actually doing the dirty work. That wasn't present in 0.9rc IIRC.
In other words, I'd wait a little bit longer before pushing 0.9RC on your friends and family. This one's for the testing folks. Of course, anything pre-1.0 is really meant for testing, but this one more so :)
Am I the only one to be exhausted by the footprint of Firefox? I've used FF 0.8 as my primary browser on my Win and Lin platforms and it seems that it even has more memory leaks than IE. And I don't know how it handleds cache, but it is all too fat.
Please, no more feature before a decent memory footprint!... then it will be THE browser
Just wrote this for you to urge FF developers to go that way.
More than 90%? And what about spoofing?
Shouldn't that give some unreliable results?
http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/userage
It's just too bad I have to use that extension.
- Save a tree, eat more woodpeckers
You can't really blame MS for not supporting CSS3; the standard is just a draft now, not a recommendation. Not supporting large areas of CSS2 (and even some of CSS1), on the other hand, is totally inexcusable.
Am I the only one who is having rendering problems with /. in mozilla and firefox lately? Every other site seems to work fine.
Have a look at Multiple IE's in Windows for running multiple versions of IE side by side in Windows.
Yes, but things don't always go that way before 1.0. In general odd numbered releases are for new features and are not as stable as even numbered releases. I'm not sure if the Mozilla people follow all of those rules or not, but it's good to let current firebird users know that they won't be punished for moving up.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love all the hype, but the reviewer hasn't addressed the isse that we are ALL thinking about.
When is the next name update for the project?
I'm surprized no-one has pointed out the IE update in XP SP 2, which should be just enough to get most people to stay - tabs and pop-up blocking.
I still don't like how IE works, so I stick with Mozilla - and Safari at home.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
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I went over to see my friend's new house, and his little brother came in, and in passing, mentioned something about popups ruining his games of UT2K4. I went in, ran spybot and adaware, installed firebird, and put on adblock. He asked me why everyone still uses IE, and I couldn't tell him. But he would still be using it if I didn't help him out.
There are 2 web developers at my work. Myself and another 'dude'. The other 'dude' only tests on IE. I test on Mozilla & IE. Recently, when I was asked to give my input on a major upgrade to the website the 'dude' manages (our company's e-commerce arm), I voiced several problems his page had when viewed via Mozilla. To be fair, I explained to my boss how IE has 93% of the browser market. My boss was more interested in the 7% who couldn't view the site properly, and the 'dude' was asked to make the appropriate changes to get it working in Mozilla too. My only point is that that no matter how much of the market IE exploits, other browsers matter.
After 2 days using Firefox 0.9 RC on Windows, I wanted to say thanks for it by adding links to its page from my sites, but I had mixed feelings about that. My only worry is that some sites still work only with IE.
Seeing your 150 switch to Firefox gave me a warm feeling that some day, things may change.
To have an option is good. To actually have the better option is great. To make the switch is fantastic.
I've been happily using Mozilla flavored web browsers since 1999, and this is the first time that I wanted that everybody make the switch.
Once I installed the latest Firefox 0.9 RC, I kind of wanted the old theme back. But after using it for 5 or 6 hours, I was sold.
In the hope that someone from the Mozilla team will see this post: thank you so much for a wonderful web browser!
Cheers.
I don't see a 0.9 package for PPC Linux?
This version of Linux isn't supported?
(This isn't a flame. I just don't see it.)
Chew: You Nexus, huh? I design your eyes.
Roy: Chew, if only you could see what I've seen with your eyes.
I just recently decided to give FireFox a try on my XP box after all the type about it here on SlashDot. I had high hopes after switching to Mozilla Thunderbird recently.
However, I was severely disappointed. It didn't do what I can do with IE. Look, you may remember that MS got in some hot water for "integrating" the browser into the OS. We all said how evil that was. But, you know what? I've taken advantage of it!
Here's a breif list of the things I like about IE over FireFox (and if I'm wrong about being able to do these in FireFox, please correct me):
1. I can re-arrange the toolbars to my satisfaction.
2. I can cleverly size my toolbars such that extra items are hidden behind a pop-out button so I can effectively make quick 1-click menues.
3. The unbeatable *real* Google Toolbar
4. The Favorites are arranged as files & folders so I can manipulate them easily (i.e. but them as pop-outs on my taskbar, make hard-links to subfolders in them in other logical locations)
5. I can embed HTML in my TaskBar to accomplish all sorts of useful things (wallet-size photoalbum, dictuinary, phone number lookup, etc.)
My browser is not just a browser. It bleeds into my operating system and vice-versa. I'm not blindly pro-Microsoft, I just happen to take advantage of the integration Microsoft chose to thrust upon us.
Honestly, I wish the "browser-integration" API were documented so Mozilla couled wholly replace the IE integration in XP. But to not have it at all is a big hole -- at least to someone who has become accustomed to the convenience it offers.
Let's see... once i've been developing small script in JS for adding dynamically an item do dropdown box. Tested with mozzila... works, tested with IE -> crash (i mean literraly crashed). I mean this is truly pain in the butt. If any warning would appear, it would be great, but crashing browser with some JS simple script is kinda annoying :|
Fucking a fat girl is like riding a scooter... it's fun 'til someone sees you.
Hmm .. I use Firefox every single day, and I think it's crashed about twice in six months. How do you make something already that stable "far more stable"?
Is it just me or are the milestones named after suburb names in Auckland, New Zealand? I see Three Kings, Royal Oak, One Tree Hill...?! Milestone Names
Writing this in 0.9. Just downloaded.
Installer looks nice. But an attempt to install over an older FF version brings an "overwrite or quit" dialog. NO UPGRADE OPTION????? Ok, overwrite.
Up and runnig. First thing: apply theme. Choice made, installing via web...
crash.
restart FF. Theme shows up but no preview. "Use theme" button available for the new theme. Several clicks on it but FF remains silent.
Quit FF. Restart. Original theme still in place.
Ok, let's reinstall. Selecting new theme, pressing "Uninstall" button...
Silence. No messages.
Quit FF. Restart. Theme stil there.
Deep breath.
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Is this really a 0.9 RC? Seems to me that a little more quality assurance (read: careful test scripts) should help a lot.
This works as expected in Firefox. It causes IE 6 to crash and burn with a bizarre error message.
Some Googling revealed that IE refuses to allow you to use a JS function in a parent window to populate a select box in its child. If it refused to do something like this for security purposes (and if this idea is, indeed, poor security, I would like to know about it), but it shouldn't just die. I had to rip my code apart to add in an extra step to pass data to the child windows and then use their own functions to populate the interfaces, which annoyed me because I was having to load the same JS all over again.
You just check the box that says 'Remember this password' and from there it's only a matter of clicking the 'OK' button the first time that you open Mozilla/Firefox for the day.
Easy - first, install Flash.
Then install the Flash Block extension. It replaces the Flash applet with a button you have to click to begin the applet.
(1) is the limit of the partial sums! That is, (1) equals
:)
Hence, in conclusion, 1 = 0.99999....
lim_{m --> infinity} SUM {from n = 1 to m} 9/10^n.
The limit of this indeed equals 1 (since you're in a "serious" maths degree, I'll leave the proof to you).
Again, this is not the limit of the sequence a_n = 9/10^n, it is the limit of the partial sums. Now, how is it that 0.9999... is NOT equal to 1? It HAS to be, because 0.9999... is EXACTLY the infinite sum of the above. That is what 0.999999... means.
It's kind of funny that blizzard posted this as an april fools joke thinking it wasn't true, but it is in fact true.
There was (is) a rather large discussion of this on sci.math. Here's a sample link: http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.0.9999.html
Notice it cites:
R.V. Churchill and J.W. Brown. Complex Variables and Applications. 0.9999... = 1 ed., McGraw-Hill, 1990.
and
W. Rudin. Principles of Mathematical Analysis. McGraw-Hill, 1976.
Rudin is a serious mathematician and he knows what he's talking about-- not that an argument from authority means anything
The old installation folders are needed to copy the History.dat file, the Bookmarks.html file, and the formhistory.dat file. After searching, I found that the old files were in:
Documents and Settings\MyLoginName\Application Data\Phoenix\
They must be copied to:
C:\Documents and Settings\MyLoginName\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profile s\default.uh4 >
The problem is that the FireFox people don't provide any installation instructions, and the installation sometimes fails to copy those files, and once installed, you cannot do the installation again.
Possibly the FireFox team has some old Microsoft employees, because they sometimes promote frustration. Crazily, there is no way to import FireFox data, only a way to import IE and Netscape data.
On the other hand, Mozilla FireFox is certainly the best browser, if the best isn't Mozilla itself.
(a) You might need to use harder. .text and .data areas, which of course might as well be a runtime variable, which the low-end hardware designers are gonna fucking hate...so you can see how it would be like a day off to repeat-bitch about an OSS mailer bug online wherever it's the slightest bit apropos...)
(b) Yup. But that was a few weeks ago, and they don't seem to intent on caring. So I decided to bitch, because I have bigger problems I'm procrastinating on (like wedging locked TLBs into an RTOS on PPC440GX that already has a page-table system overlaying its MMS...the problem is in the blocksize bits, and how the block growth is unmanageably saltatory...and you never know how big they'll be because some depend on the size of your
I think the vast majority of net denizens are tired of Internet advertising. We have good reason to be. It has been forced on us (pop ups, adware, "you must experience/read this before you continue" pages), we are constantly made to suffer through the contextually innapropriate (ads for trips when we're thinking about software, ads for porn sites when we're looking for fluffy bunnies, etc.) Random, and largely absurd, advertising pollutes our inboxes and has gone a long way towards ruining the great utility email offers.
But... I rather welcome advertising on Google's text model - non intrusive, contextually appropriate (or as nearly so as they can manage - at least they try to make is appropriate.) I have found many interesting and useful things as a direct result of Google's text ads.
But please, don't tar and feather a media format because some advertisers have misused it. Animation is no more responsible for bad advertising than email is. Morons are responsible for bad advertising - and email spam. So hate the morons. In other words, write your congresscritter about the evils of popups and spam, not MNG developers about the evils of multiple image frames. :)
Advertising itself isn't inherently evil either. There are responsible advertisers. My company tries to toe that line. We don't use email except in the ways you'd want it to be used - if you write us, we write you back (specifically, a person writes you back.) I had an opportunity here to "drop" our company name. I didn't do it. I've had other opportunities here, and on other community websites. Didn't do it then, either. I figure if someone here is interested, they'll find us. But we do use contextually targeted advertising. For instance, if you search for certain very strongly related keywords on some search engine sites, we'll show up as a sponsored link. Likewise, some searches on graphics sites will get you a Google text ad. No images, consequently no animations, either. :) We face the same issues any significant business does: We need the people who could use our products to be aware that our products exist; further, we'd like them to be aware of what differentiates our product from the next one over on the virtual shelf. I honestly believe that advertising can be a reasonable mechanism. But pissing off people never is. The trick is to find out how to do the former, without doing the latter.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
It's posted at mozilla.org but Firefox's site hasn't been updated yet.
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