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PlayStation 2 Sales Double Following Price Cut

Thanks to GamesIndustry.biz for its article discussing significant PlayStation 2 sales increases following the price cut to $149 last month. The piece quantifies: "Data released this week by Sony Computer Entertainment America shows that the console's sales rose by some 216 per cent in the week immediately following the price cut, with an increase of 141 per cent over the full period since the cut", and this means: "The increase in sales will have propelled the PlayStation 2 well past its console rivals, after Sony's platform slipped behind the Xbox in monthly sales for the first time since the launch of the Microsoft console." It's also explained: "The increased sales noted since the price cut have actually pushed year on year sales of the PS2 upwards, with 26 per cent growth on the same period last year - and should hopefully help to slow the overall decline in hardware sales which has hit the USA so far this year."

67 comments

  1. Price cut or E3? by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well I really can't speak for anybody besides myself, but the main reason I'm interested in maybe getting a PS2 is GTA San Andreas. Price cut is icing.

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    1. Re:Price cut or E3? by M3wThr33 · · Score: 1

      A bit hasty aren't we? Especially since it'll be Xbox and PC bound just as soon, and look much better.

    2. Re:Price cut or E3? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well seeing as how long it took to get to the PC, then another wait at least that long to the XBox, your looking at late 2005 maybe 2006 for GTA:SA on any other system.

    3. Re:Price cut or E3? by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "A bit hasty aren't we? Especially since it'll be Xbox and PC bound just as soon, and look much better."

      No, and no. They have not announced when XBOX or PC versions will comeout, and I don't want to wait another 8 months like I did with Vice City. B'sides, there are other bargain bin PS2 games I wouldn't mind having.

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    4. Re:Price cut or E3? by Recoil_42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just remember that sony still has that deal going on with Rockstar for a timed exclusivity... The Xbox and PC versions will come months later...

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    5. Re:Price cut or E3? by August_zero · · Score: 1

      Well my first PS2 went away to greener pastures about a year after I bought it. And my second one has started to choke on discs even after cleaning. If it gets bad, and adjusting the laser doesn't solve it, I might need to get another one and a price cut softens the blow a little bit.

      If you don't have a PS2 but you have an X-box I would save your money and just wait for the Box version. I would be willing to bet a kidney that there will be a port within a year. The last 2 looked a lot nicer on the x-box and the ability to use custom soundtracks was cool too.

      Me? I hope the PS3 hits the market before my current PS2 buys the farm.

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    6. Re:Price cut or E3? by karnal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Thankfully, I've not had too much problem with Sony hardware.

      I still have an original PS-1 (with the AV outs on the back.) Sure, a glass of water spilled on it, requiring me to find a vendor to sell me a power supply, but that was it. Still plays discs fine.

      I also bought a PS2 when I knew that Soul Calibur 2 would be out for it. Now, it's relegated to playing DVDs to my el-cheapo home theatre (old business projector and blackout cloth screen.) Never missed a beat.

      I've also got a Sony STR-DE935 receiver that has never ever skipped a beat. I once thought it was having trouble with the subwoofer output; turns out that's my fault for putting an RCA cable where people walk!

      My only real issue is - I bought a minidisc player for about 200$ a few years back when I had hernia surgery. Pretty sweet unit, and sounds excellent with a good set of cans, however when you use said unit to record, anything in the last 15 minutes of the disc gets skippy. Plays all other recorded media fine (have a component recorder as well.)

      Sony's solution to fixing my MD player? Give us 150$ and we'll give you one of comparable value. Well, crap, I'd rather just go out and spend $$ on a new MD unit. Which I would, if the cheaper ones had mic and line ins (I could rant about this for hours, can't you tell?)

      So, for me, it's 1 of 4 broken in probably 6 years I've been aquiring Sony hardware. I'm just glad it was the MD player, and not the others... 'cause now I can justify that MP3 player I've been eyeing for 2 years!

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    7. Re:Price cut or E3? by rinks · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but I can't get it up for San Andreas. Looking forward to GTA: Flint, Michigan. Should be a hoot.

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    8. Re:Price cut or E3? by fr0dicus · · Score: 1

      Oh, I don't know about that. I suspect I'll be too busy with Doom 3, Half Life 2, Halo 2 and Far Cry Instincts to worry about another GTA game that really doesn't yet sound like it's done that much to the gameplay. I'll change my mind if there's a solid online mode, but I haven't heard good noises about that yet.

  2. April of this year? by m0rph3us0 · · Score: 0

    since the ... "launch of the Microsoft console in the April this year." April? Is it just me or has MS been shipping Xboxes for a few years now?

    1. Re:April of this year? by The+Briguy · · Score: 2, Informative

      I believe they are referring to the Xbox price cut from 179 to 149, which was in April.

    2. Re:April of this year? by Zibblsnrt · · Score: 1
      Not just any April - the April. They've been waiting for precisely the right April 2004 to arrive. After much preparation and waiting, they found one - one so obscure and subtle that it is not only absent on existing 2004 calendars, but can only be found in a totally seperate date several years in the past

      . I'm struck dumb at the finesse. Or maybe the dumb of the statement strikes me, one or the other...

      -PS

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  3. RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If only the RIAA would pay attention to things like this. It would be even more effective for them as their profit margins on each sale are so much larger. But they'll probably just continue whining about dropping sales in a poor economy and suing people who sell eyepatches and parrots.

  4. There's a shocker by MajikMan · · Score: 1

    Surprisingly enough, products sell better when they're cheaper. Who would have ever thought?

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    1. Re:There's a shocker by MarkPNeyer · · Score: 1

      Hey pal, what do you think this is? This is slashdot, that's what. You better not try and explain basic economic principles to people if you know what's good for you or your karma. Try complaining about the USA PATRIOT act, the DMCA, outsourcing, the crappiness of Microsoft, and the Personal Suckiness of George W. Bush instead of pointing out basic economics.

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  5. GTA:SA - Pre-purchased & paid in full... by potus98 · · Score: 2

    ...before any of the initial screenshots were released. I may buy another PS2, insert GTA:SA and weld the tray shut.

    TakeTwo Interactive: Your team at R* deserves even more cash bonuses. Keep up the great work.

    Yea, I sound like a fan-boy, but there's just something about the recent GTA games (>=GTA3) that I can't let go of. They've become theraputic after a long day at work.

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  6. Interesting. by ajutla · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is it just me, or is that a little bit...strange? They cost $180 before the price drop, and then they cost $150 afterwards. It's not that much of a difference, is it? Certainly not enough to merit twice as many people rushing out and buying one...what kind of consumer thinks, ooh, I'd always wanted a PS2 but, y'know, they were just thirty dollars too expensive for me? I guess this is the same mentality that wouldn't hesitate to buy something that costs $19.99 but would flinch at anything costing a flat $20, because it's too expensive.

    I had a teacher once who was very adamant on that point. We don't need pennies, he would say. Pennies are a waste of metal. We need to take pennies out of circulation. Someone would invariably ask about things that cost $19.99. Well, we'd raise their price to $20, fool, he would say. This makes sense to me--and it made sense to him, but I imagine that a lot of people wouldn't be able to handle it. The economy would collapse. A very large segment of the population considers $19.99 to be a hell of a lot cheaper than $20. On the PS2 front, these same people are ecstatic about the gigantic price drop and buy twice as many of the things as they bought before.

    This could be a very interesting pricing strategy for video game console manufacturers:
    1. Debut the console at a price point of something like $300.
    2. Every three to six months thereafter (the timeframe could easily be extended or shortened) drop the price by, say, $10.
    3. Laugh as sales nearly double right after doing this.
    4. Repeat until console has saturated market.

    This reminds of the GameCube thing that happened a while ago. I believe it was last summer that Nintendo had a deal going with the Cube:

    Buy a $150 GameCube, and you get a free $50 game.

    Well, this was quite a deal, but sales were stagnant. Some months later, the marketing geniuses at the big N decided to adopt a new tactic:

    Buy a $100 GameCube, and you don't get anything for free.

    Lo and behold, sales shot up. Why? Well, obviously, because now it's fifty dollars cheaper!!! Never mind that you have to buy a game to play the stupid thing, it's just a better deal.

    It's interesting to think about this stuff.
    How stupid is the average shopper?

    1. Re:Interesting. by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      Well, your comparison to the Gamecube is wrong. The deal was that you could buy a Gamecube and get a game for free from a very short list. If the game you wanted was on that list, great. If not, tough shit. Also of note is the fact that most of the games that were on that list were had for less than $50 at that point in time. I picked up my Gamecube for $80 as part of a Walmart special and got the Zelda collector's disc with four games on it - so I didn't get anything for free? Furthermore, yes - if you get the Gamecube package for $100 that doesn't include a game, you have to buy a game to play on it. That being said, there are plenty of great games out for the Cube that are less than $50. So it's going to be a less expensive purchase.

      "This makes sense to me--and it made sense to him, but I imagine that a lot of people wouldn't be able to handle it. The economy would collapse. A very large segment of the population considers $19.99 to be a hell of a lot cheaper than $20."
      I'll call bullshit on that. Where's your evidence? Have you taken any surveys to back that up? Furthermore, your assertion that the economy would collapse is simply foolish.
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    2. Re:Interesting. by king-manic · · Score: 0

      It matters because there a a sweet spot in a lot of peoples budgets where a expense is not a major expense. For me anything below 50$ I grab at anytime without a thought. 50-100 requires some budgeting. 100-150 requires saving. 200+ requires multi-paycheck saving. I make a okay amount but I'm a saver so I will not spend more then 300$ a paycheck on games or gadgets. I ussually spend only 50-100 a paycheck on games.

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    3. Re:Interesting. by ajutla · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'll reply to this, even though I'm a liberal :)

      I'll call bullshit on that. Where's your evidence? Have you taken any surveys to back that up? Furthermore, your assertion that the economy would collapse is simply foolish.

      Well, yes, I was indeed exaggerating about the economy's collapsing. And of course I've not really got any numbers to back up my assertions. I will say, though, that I believe people think "within the boundaries of price points." $19.99 is "under" $20, so it's okay, but something that actually costs $20 is not. It's a psychological thing that stores try to exploit by pricing everything one cent below its actual price: you look at the numbers and your mind immediately sees those nines and equates it as something less expensive than $20. Why would stores do it if it had no effect? If anything, they'd save ink by just writing "$20" instead of "$19.99" but, no, they price everything this way. It must work on some level. Probably not on as dramatic a level as I've intimated, but there's something in our subconscious...

    4. Re:Interesting. by newbiescum · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Many people were expecting a price cut to be in effect a few weeks before E3, or at least be announced during it. Sales may have just slowed down because people expected this, and now they are picking up again which is "doubling" sales.

    5. Re:Interesting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, currently many stores (if not all?) are selling a bundle kit for $150 that includes the PS2, the net adapter and a game. I don't know if this is a time-limited promotion or not. When I was at the store, I almost ended up buying a $150 PS2 that didn't come with anything.

    6. Re:Interesting. by bigman2003 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was in the military (US) stationed in Germany.

      We didn't use pennies on post. It was very convenient.

      They just priced things normally, and the only time it mattered was with your final total at checkout.

      They just rounded the total. So if your total was $15.48, you just paid $15.50. $15.46, and you paid $15.45.

      So, there were no pennies really in circulation there. But for some strange reason, the US mint (whoever is in charge of money supply) moved a crapload of Susan B. Anthony dollars, and $2 bills over there.

      I *always* had $2 bills in my pocket. And usually some Susan B.'s too.

      But I was always jealous of the German 5 DM coin. Now THAT was useful. We should have a $5 coin.

      And dump the frickin' pennies.

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    7. Re:Interesting. by kevn · · Score: 1

      Actually most retailers are offering the PS2, with network adapter, and one game (I forget which one) all for $149. If you take into account those two extra's it is a great deal and I can see why people are picking them up. kvn

    8. Re:Interesting. by forkazoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Any more, I'm not sure there is any valid psychological reason for $19.99, as a penny has no value anymore. OTOH, we are all used to $19.99 being a real price, and "twenty bucks" being an informat shorthand, which would be slightly jarring to see coming from a 'respectable' establishment. The shift from normal would give us subconscious suspicions.

    9. Re:Interesting. by ajutla · · Score: 1
      Just because marketing is done a certain way, does not mean that that is because there is the effect that you conclude. Perhaps it's just because every other company does the *.99 marketing.

      Right, but you fail to realize that there must be a reason that companies began using the *.99 marketing. They can't all be doing it because everyone else is doing it, because then where would it have begun? Your argument, if you don't mind my saying so, is somewhat illogical.

      Instead of saying things like "How stupid is the average shopper?" and "A very large segment of the population considers $19.99 to be a hell of a lot cheaper than $20.", why don't you just enjoy the fact that you're so intellectually superior to the average shopper and that you know that 19.99 + 0.01 = 20.00?

      I don't really see your point. I know that 19.99 + 0.01 = 20.00, and so does the average shopper; that doesn't mean that we, as shoppers, aren't psychologically affected by pricing. In fact, you actually took my statements more or less out of context. I asked How stupid is the average shopper? as a rhetorical, exaggerated question--much like my statement that the economy would collapse if prices were raised by one cent. [Incidentally, I guess I could work a political dig in here: You conservatives can't take a joke / don't understand hyperbole / something]

      A $30 price drop is significant, whether you want to admit it or not.

      I don't doubt that. But is it significant enough to warrant sales suddenly doubling? I was not sure about that, and so therefore in my original post I ruminated on the psychological devices that would cause the average shopper to perceive the PS2 as dirt-cheap.

      With the glut of PS2 games in the cheap bin at EB, that's at least two more games people can now buy with the same amount of cash as before.

      I apologize, this is pretty much off on a tangent, but...how many good games are there in the cheap bin at EB? Be honest, now.

      ...the average American consumer, i.e. the lower to middle class consumer, [which you, as a liberal, should be a champion of and have a good understanding of] may have a certain amount of liquid income per month that is equal to $150 but not $180. Or they may not. Anyway, the issue is moot; the lower to middle class consumer is perfectly capable of saving money from month to month. Hell, I do that. I have a good understanding of the middle class, considering that I'm in it.

      I can see exactly why you're a liberal. You believe that you are better than the common American and so you want government to provide services to these people because they can't provide for themselves, right?

      No, I believe that the function of government is to serve its citizens, to keep them healthy, and to provide a safety net to those who need it. How stupid people are is entirely irrelevant.

      You make me sick and have now made my foes list.

      Thanks, I'm honored.

    10. Re:Interesting. by ajutla · · Score: 1

      $2 bills; that's interesting. When was this?

    11. Re:Interesting. by addaon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      (Probably late enough post that no one will read it, but what the hell.)

      The *.99 cent pricing strategy was NOT started as a psychological trick. It was first instituted by Macy's, the big department store, to solve a very specific problem.

      Scenario 1:

      I go in and buy a $5 whoosit, and bring it to the cashier. She rings me up for $5, I hand her a $5 bill, she smiles, and I walk away.

      And then she sticks the $5 bill in her pocket.

      Scenario 2:

      I go in and buy a $4.99 whoosit, and bring it to the casher. She rings me up for $4.99, I hand her a $5 bill, and she has to open the register to make change. Opening the register registers the sale, and she can no longer slip money into her pocket off the books.

      So Macy's decided to make $0.01 less on each sale, in exchange for essentially eliminating (this form of) employee theft.

      This problem could have been dealt with in other ways. Taxes now solve it; it's very rare that a price at a store like Macy's will fall on a dollar amount. Alternately, you can just convince the customer to always ask for a receipt... I just got back from China, and one of the things that is big over there (maybe required?) is for receipts to have small lottery scratch-offs on them, where you have some chance of winning a dollar or two. The idea is that this gives the customer motivation to ask for the receipt, which means there's always a record of the sale. Although the beneficiary in the government (the record is used to avoid tax fraud), the idea is the same.

      Even though everyone thinks that *.99 pricing is a psychological trick, that was not its original purpose. Whether or not it is effective at this adopted purpose is, as far as I know, an open question.

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    12. Re:Interesting. by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 0, Troll

      " Right, but you fail to realize that there must be a reason that companies began using the *.99 marketing. They can't all be doing it because everyone else is doing it, because then where would it have begun? Your argument, if you don't mind my saying so, is somewhat illogical."

      Actually, I do mind. I don't fail to realize - I simply failed to state. Another poster took care of this issue and proved that you are the one that is mistaken, so I won't waste any time with you on that point.

      " I don't really see your point. I know that 19.99 + 0.01 = 20.00, and so does the average shopper; that doesn't mean that we, as shoppers, aren't psychologically affected by pricing."

      It doesn't mean that shoppers are psychologically affected either. You've offered no proof.

      " I don't doubt that. But is it significant enough to warrant sales suddenly doubling? I was not sure about that, and so therefore in my original post I ruminated on the psychological devices that would cause the average shopper to perceive the PS2 as dirt-cheap."

      Actually, yes - especially considering that the price drop had been hinted at so before the price drop went into effect, sales would have dropped. It's easier to double sales once sales drop off.

      "I apologize, this is pretty much off on a tangent, but...how many good games are there in the cheap bin at EB? Be honest, now.

      Oh yeah? Here's games below $10.
      Metal Gear Solid 2: Metacritic score of 96
      Maximo: Ghosts to Glory: Metacritic score of 84
      Max Payne: Metacritic score of 80
      Grand Theft Auto III: Metacritic score of 97
      Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec: Metacritic score of 95
      Devil May Cry: Metacritic score of 95

      Pretty easy to pick out good games in the cheap bin. If I were to open up my search to games less than $20, I could provide even more.

      "Or they may not. Anyway, the issue is moot; the lower to middle class consumer is perfectly capable of saving money from month to month. Hell, I do that. I have a good understanding of the middle class, considering that I'm in it."

      Again, you missed the point completely. Anyone who has not bought a console, specifically a PS2 - the best selling console for this hardware generation, is not a very hardcore gamer. At this point in the PS2's life cycle, the purchases are coming from casual gamers. These are not the types of people who want to save money for a console. If the price point is lowered to the point where no saving has to be done, obviously sales are going to increase. Your intuition about how people think is sorely lacking.

      "No, I believe that the function of government is to serve its citizens, to keep them healthy, and to provide a safety net to those who need it. How stupid people are is entirely irrelevant.

      It's amusing how much disdain you, as a typical liberal, have for the general public. You were quite prepared to call them stupid cows in your original post yet you want to provide a safety net for them, why? You obviousl

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    13. Re:Interesting. by Buran · · Score: 2, Funny

      He definitely wasn't going to Taco Bell, then.

    14. Re:Interesting. by Texas+Rose+on+Lava+L · · Score: 1

      Well, we'd raise their price to $20, fool, he would say. This makes sense to me--and it made sense to him, but I imagine that a lot of people wouldn't be able to handle it. The economy would collapse. A very large segment of the population considers $19.99 to be a hell of a lot cheaper than $20.

      If we got rid of pennies, I bet that store would lower their price to $19.95, not raise it to $20. The same psychology that applies to selling stuff for 1 cent less would apply to selling stuff for 5 cents less.

      On the subject of abolishing the penny, here's something else to think about: The CPI for May was 189.1. In 1970, the CPI was 37.8. That means a penny in 1970 was worth as much as a nickel is worth today. In 1970, we got by just fine without anything smaller than a penny, so why do we need anything smaller than a nickel today?

    15. Re:Interesting. by nathanh · · Score: 1
      If we got rid of pennies, I bet that store would lower their price to $19.95, not raise it to $20. The same psychology that applies to selling stuff for 1 cent less would apply to selling stuff for 5 cents less.

      That's exactly what happened in Australia. We got rid of our 1c and 2c coins ages ago (maybe 2 decades). Prices went from $xx.99 to $xx.95.

    16. Re:Interesting. by bjb · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Actually, $2 bills never really went out of circulation or print, they're just not that popular.

      Every dozen-or-so years, the mint prints up a bunch of $2 bills. The last run was in 1995, and before that, 1976. Before that, something like 1959. Banks and most shops just hate the things because they don't have special drawers for them (typical cash registers have 4 slots: $1, $5, $10 and $20+).

      The hard part is finding them. I have one bank that I know of where I can find the things, and whenever I make my way there I'll "buy" 20 of them. Why? They're fun. You give them as a tip to a bartender and they're usually thrilled and give you great service the rest of the night. You use them when going through a toll booth where the attendant is used to combinations of "standard" bills, and you can totally catch them off guard and watch their brain stall. You can give them to friends who think its the greatest thing in the world and figure that they'll keep the bill in their wallet for good luck (until they're short on cash one day). So on and so forth.

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    17. Re:Interesting. by analog_line · · Score: 1

      Why? Well, obviously, because now it's fifty dollars cheaper!!! Never mind that you have to buy a game to play the stupid thing, it's just a better deal.

      Used games can be had for $20 quite easily. If you look hard enough and are patient enough you can have them for cheaper than that.

    18. Re:Interesting. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > Is it just me, or is that a little bit...strange? They cost $180 before the price
      > drop, and then they cost $150 afterwards.

      Actually, no. You can get the PS2 w/ online adapter for $150--those cost $200 before the price cut. I bought my first PS2 myself because of the price cut.

      > This reminds of the GameCube thing that happened a while ago. I believe it was last
      > summer that Nintendo had a deal going with the Cube:
      >
      > Buy a $150 GameCube, and you get a free $50 game.
      >
      > Well, this was quite a deal, but sales were stagnant. Some months later, the marketing
      > geniuses at the big N decided to adopt a new tactic:
      >
      > Buy a $100 GameCube, and you don't get anything for free.
      >
      > Lo and behold, sales shot up. Why? Well, obviously, because now it's fifty dollars
      > cheaper!!! Never mind that you have to buy a game to play the stupid thing, it's
      > just a better deal.

      Well, yes, it is. Could you get *any* fifty-dollar game? I bet you couldn't. With the new deal you can get *any* fifty-dollar game you want--or you can get a less-than-fifty-dollar game and spend less money.

      Chris Mattern

    19. Re:Interesting. by Pendersempai · · Score: 1

      Their sales for the week after the price cut were twice the sales of the week before.

      So if three people bought the thing when it was $180, that means only six necessarily bought it when it was $150.

      How impressive is that? Not very, I think. Every vendor will get a quick increase in sales as soon as they lower the price. The question is whether the increased sales rate will last.

    20. Re:Interesting. by stuph · · Score: 1

      Wow, this is one of the few times I've been educated by reading Slashdot games.. thanks, you've made my day :)

      Really interesting story, though, and it sure does make a hell of a lot of sense... I guess that's why so many food court shops in the malls will have the "get a receipt or your meal's on us" signs...

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    21. Re:Interesting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm....That is a tough one. Lets decide that since the pricing model was for the US, that we are talking about the American consumer. Lets assume that the President is an average American (of the people, by the people and all that crap). Sadly, this means that the average American is really fucking stupid. Since the US economy is based on total consumerism (ever wonder why everything is disposable, even so called "durable goods"?), we have to assume that all Americans are shoppers. So, I guess this means that the average shopper is so stupid as to be considered "learning disabled" in most other developed countries on earth.

      **caveat**
      Since the majority of Americans voted for Bush, I guess that means he is actually somewhat smarter than most Americans, since he fooled most of you. That should scare the shit out of the whole country. It might just be time to dump a little chlorine in the old gene pool, because these random DNA pairings are not working out for you. Sorry, I forgot, DNA has nothing to do with it, God has decided to make a bunch of halfwitted clones of himself to carry his word to the planet.

    22. Re:Interesting. by MentosPimp · · Score: 1

      Bush won the electorate, not the popular vote.

      But then again, this is probably a troll.

    23. Re:Interesting. by Oxy+the+moron · · Score: 1

      Is it just me, or is that a little bit...strange? They cost $180 before the price drop, and then they cost $150 afterwards. It's not that much of a difference, is it? Certainly not enough to merit twice as many people rushing out and buying one...what kind of consumer thinks, ooh, I'd always wanted a PS2 but, y'know, they were just thirty dollars too expensive for me? I guess this is the same mentality that wouldn't hesitate to buy something that costs $19.99 but would flinch at anything costing a flat $20, because it's too expensive.

      To be honest, I think it's just you. =]

      Everyone has a reserve price for a product on the market. Sure, $30 may not seem like much, but I have always had the mentality that I won't pay more than $150 for a gaming system. (Note: I still won't be buying a PS2) If you think $30 isn't much, perhaps it's because you're thinking in absolute terms? $30 is a full 1/6 of the original price. That's a 16.7% off the original price. Look at it that way. If you got 16.7% off the purchase of a car, I'm sure you'd be more likely to purchase it as well!

      I had a teacher once who was very adamant on that point. We don't need pennies, he would say. Pennies are a waste of metal. We need to take pennies out of circulation. Someone would invariably ask about things that cost $19.99. Well, we'd raise their price to $20, fool, he would say. This makes sense to me--and it made sense to him, but I imagine that a lot of people wouldn't be able to handle it. The economy would collapse. A very large segment of the population considers $19.99 to be a hell of a lot cheaper than $20. On the PS2 front, these same people are ecstatic about the gigantic price drop and buy twice as many of the things as they bought before.

      Is there actual research to back that up? I mean, I don't think there are that many people who think $.01 makes a huge difference. Typically the "xx.99" philosophy only refers to low-cost, low-prestige items, IIRC. I don't think PS2 falls into that category.

      This could be a very interesting pricing strategy for video game console manufacturers: 1. Debut the console at a price point of something like $300. 2. Every three to six months thereafter (the timeframe could easily be extended or shortened) drop the price by, say, $10. 3. Laugh as sales nearly double right after doing this. 4. Repeat until console has saturated market.

      Except, demand for game consoles is rarely that elastic.

      This reminds of the GameCube thing that happened a while ago. I believe it was last summer that Nintendo had a deal going with the Cube: Buy a $150 GameCube, and you get a free $50 game. Well, this was quite a deal, but sales were stagnant. Some months later, the marketing geniuses at the big N decided to adopt a new tactic: Buy a $100 GameCube, and you don't get anything for free. Lo and behold, sales shot up. Why? Well, obviously, because now it's fifty dollars cheaper!!! Never mind that you have to buy a game to play the stupid thing, it's just a better deal.

      There are other things to consider. You could buy a gamecube and rent games. You could use it to run linux. You could buy a used game for $30. All of these are less expensive that the original $150 tag. And $100 is 33% off the original price.

      How stupid is the average shopper?

      Depends, most are not that intelligent in my experience. However, I don't there is really anything shocking about this drop in price vs. double in sales.

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    24. Re:Interesting. by shanen · · Score: 1

      Not sure whether or not I can claim to be a "liberal", but I hate intellectual cowards like you. Of course, that goes a long ways to explaining your "expertise" in computer games versus your failures in real life.

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  7. One think I'm curious about by Tikiman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How many people are buying new ones just to replace old ones? I had a bum unit that was repaired - $80. When it happened again, it was more cost effective to trade in the old one for $100 credit toward getting a new one. Perhaps more people are doing this now

    1. Re:One think I'm curious about by slashrogue · · Score: 1

      Wow, sucks for you. I had to send in my PS2 about... wow, over a year ago now. I had had it for JUST over the 1-year manufacturing warranty, but I called them up and the guy I talked to... well, I didn't have a receipt and I said it was about a year ago, he was cool with it and I shipped the thing off and they sent it back to me pretty fast, repairs and return shipping covered. I haven't had any problems with it since then.

      So I've had it for about 2.5 years now without any major issues (when I sent it in it was basically because the disc reader was sort of messed up from dirt and what not but I wasn't about to open it up myself).

      Anyway, I'm rambling but my point is these things are pretty sturdy and I don't think you can explain a solid 3 weeks of increased sales by a sudden surge of busted PS2 consoles.

    2. Re:One think I'm curious about by falcon5768 · · Score: 1
      mine still works, and i was one of the shmucks who waited in line to buy the thing....

      Had to get something to replace my Virtual Game Station ;-)

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    3. Re:One think I'm curious about by astrokid · · Score: 0

      Wait. So you traded in a non working unit and the stores didn't verify it's condition?

      It doesn't really suprise me but I feel sorry for the kid who saved up enough to buy a preowned ps2 only to get a piece of junk.... I'm sure the store will let him keep exchanging it till he finds a working one though.

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    4. Re:One think I'm curious about by Tikiman · · Score: 1

      I told them it wasn't working, but they didn't care. In fact, they were the ones who suggested the trade-in option. I guess they will recondition it again and sell it, or possibly use it for parts

  8. This is a good thing. by rubberbando · · Score: 1

    I am happy to see the price come down, perhaps it will lead to the Xbox and Gamecube to continue to actually be competitive. Competition is good for consumers. :-)

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  9. Slump in hardware sales? by obeythefist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is crazy. How can selling more consoles ever cure a slump in hardware sales? Consoles cause the slump in hardware sales. You buy a PC, a monitor. Costs a little more than a console but you get a much better product. And you might buy a new HDD, a new video card after a year or so. You don't have to, but upgrading a PC is usually cheaper than buying a new console, and it adds to hardware sales.

    Buying a console - you buy the console. Then you go spend your money on a big screen TV, new couch, and because console games usually last much less in terms of playability than a PC game, you buy a lot more games than you would on a PC to get the same "fix".

    Consoles do not help any aspect of the IT industry. Never.

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    1. Re:Slump in hardware sales? by CronoCloud · · Score: 2

      The story was referring to a drop in PS2 hardware sales. Not hardware sales in general.

      Ok so you buy upgrades every year. People don't buy new consoles every year. Usually it's about every 5 years unless you're a gaming enthusiast.

      What? You don't have a couch and TV already?

      I don't know where you got the idea that console games "last much less in terms of playability" because it most certainly isn't the case.

    2. Re:Slump in hardware sales? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Counter Strike.

      Now name a single console game that has endured as long. Then I'll go on to name another PC game with around the same longevity. Think you can keep up?

    3. Re:Slump in hardware sales? by angryyoungman · · Score: 1

      1) RTFA 2) What the hell are you babling about 3) The price of a decent HDD or good video card is generally comparable or a little more then the initial purchase price of a console. For example here is Australia a 9600pro is about 270 to 350 dollars where as the price of a PS2 Xbox or GC is 199 to 270. 4) You obviously dont like consoles, and to be honest that is fine I dont like pink donuts but I dont go around bitching about it.

    4. Re:Slump in hardware sales? by Deadguy2322 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Wow. More illiterate anti-console trolling. The sales slump referred to by the article was the console sales slump. Most people who play consoles are sick of this pissing and moaning from PC users with inferiority complexes. Keep upgrading your PC every year to make up for your infantile genitalia, but shut the fuck up about consoles killing the PC market. P.S. - Fuck the IT industry. Fuck them up their stupid asses!!!

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    5. Re:Slump in hardware sales? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      In a statistical average, Counterstrike would be more or less noise. You can't prove a blanket statement with a few hand-picked samples. I mean, I could claim that because Final Fantasy [insert random number here] lasts longer than Unreal 2 and Max Payne 2 combined, console games last longer than PC games. of course, it all depends on pacing. RTS games are a lot slower than, say, shmups. While C&C can last 40 hours without much of a problem, a game like Ikaruga shouldn't last longer than maybe an hour or two per play-through.
      And CS is a multiplayer game, anyway. It has infinite longetivity, just like every other multiplayer game.
      I bet it takes longer to win every level in Super Mario Sunshine once than it does in Counterstrike. CS lives because people play the same maps over and over again, that doesn't work with Singleplayer games.

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    6. Re:Slump in hardware sales? by fr0dicus · · Score: 4, Interesting
      As far as I can see, the latest graphics card costs twice as much as a new console...

      I don't think I've ever purchased a new TV or couch because of my console, but if I did I'd have the benefit of something decent sized to watch films and TV on too, not really a major drawback, I'd certainly rather have a 42" TV than an 18" monitor for my PC.

      In terms of games numbers, maybe I would have more games on the PC if that many good games ever came out for the damn thing; and there are plenty of console games with massive longevity that is there for a good reason, as opposed to having to go there in order to prop up the PC gaming industry in the monthly gaps between decent releases.

      Consoles help programmers, as they're a much bigger market for them to sell to. The PC hardware market has been up its own arse for so long selling unnecessary incremental upgrades (I'm talking massive 66Mhz rises in CPU speeds, releasing 4 different graphics cards within 10% of each other, Hard drives with 5% more storage than the last model), that it deserves to be in a slump. Finally they're innovating now, I feared we'd be stuck with Megahurtz, PCI and AGP for far too long. Face it, anyone using a PC for mainstream tasks don't need the extra 2Ghz that Intel want to sell them, they're bringing it on themselves.

    7. Re:Slump in hardware sales? by yoyhed · · Score: 0
      ...console games usually last much less in terms of playability than a PC game...

      Unfounded assertions like this may sound good to your average PC-loving, console-hating enthusiast, but to make a good counter-example, I'm pretty sure people will be playing Super Mario Brothers 3 much longer than Commander Keen.

      you buy a lot more games than you would on a PC to get the same "fix".

      Or could it be that consoles have a much higher percentage of good games than the PC does, and therefore you're inclined to buy more? (flight sim: some historical time period anyone?)

      You buy a PC, a monitor. Costs a little more than a console...

      Don't get me wrong, I love my PC and my four consoles, but if I had more financial responsibilities, I definitely would have gone solely they way of the console (a mainstream video card alone costs about the same as a console today.)

      Maybe a good price comparison against a console would be with a PC that has the same core clock speed and amount of ram as the console (733mhz pentium III with 64mb of ram anyone?), and a monitor with the same max resolution as your TV (if you can even still find one of those), but then that PC wouldn't even be able to play the same games that said console does.

      Also, the article was referring to the slump in console hardware sales. And I don't know when people started buying new couches and big-screen televisions to go with their [much less expensive] video game systems.

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    8. Re:Slump in hardware sales? by yoyhed · · Score: 0

      Goddamnit. Forgot to end my italics, too lazy to re-post: supposed to end after "historical time period" and after "a little more than a console..."

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    9. Re:Slump in hardware sales? by nathanh · · Score: 1
      You obviously dont like consoles, and to be honest that is fine I dont like pink donuts but I dont go around bitching about it.

      Dude, you crazy! Pink donuts are the best ones.

  10. What do you expect? It's .biz by gumpish · · Score: 2, Funny

    "in the April this year"

    Anything from a .biz site is worthless.

  11. Holland had the same thing by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
    We called them cents and they were removed from circualtiuon ages ago (back when we still had our own currency). Cents cost more to produce then they were worth. So basically the same deal (1,2 becomes 0 3,4 becomes 5) was introduced and it did take some getting used too and I remember people in the beginning shopping so they would get the best deal (1,2,6,7). But this lasted only a short time.

    Now we got the euro and the cent is back. Although it is now worth a bit more the amount of hazzle makes me wish they dropped it. The cents still take up an insane amount of space and are not really worth anything.

    Then again didn't richard prior in a superman movie get rich by stealing even less?

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  12. Doubled? by yoyhed · · Score: 0

    If the sales increased by 216 percent, wouldn't that have been tripled?

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  13. No surprise by eMilkshake · · Score: 1

    Microsoft drops the price of xbox. Sony drops the price of playstation. Time passes.

    Microsoft drops the price of xbox. Who is going to buy a playstation now, knowing that Sony is likely going to drop the price to meet it? Once Sony does the expected, people who were waiting make the purchase.

    1. Re:No surprise by NIN1385 · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      The people that realize that Microsoft is a horrible company that doesn't support products after they make new versions of them will keep buying Sony because Sony actually deserves it. Watch, mark my words, the next generation of consoles will prove to everyone that Microsoft truely does not give a damn about the consumer.

      If you try to argue this point, ask yourself this question: "Did Microsoft get into the gaming market to make good games (keep in mind that all the xbox games that are worth playing were made by third parties) and game systems, or did they get into the market to make money?" If you know anything about the company's past then the answer should come to you quite easily. I will not give anyone that tries to argue this point with me the time of day, so don't bother...

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  14. Hold on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    until it hits $99

  15. wow... by Cornflake917 · · Score: 1

    I can see exactly why you're a liberal. You believe that you are better than the common American and so you want government to provide services to these people because they can't provide for themselves, right?

    wow...Just wow!

    I can't say much more than that. Do you always turn discussions into political bashing like this? There aren't really any intelligible points to your post. You just attempt to make the grandparent feel bad for his opinions. I know I shouldn't be feeding your troll post, but I want you to realize that people don't always form their opinions in a political context like you do. Hell, I bet if the guy didn't say he was liberal you would have AGREED with him. That's more sickening than anything else I've seen on here. It's also sad that people judge others based on lables such as "liberal" and "conservative." Which is an action that is evident by the tone of your post.

    I don't think "liberals" OR "conservatives" are the problems to this society. It's closed-minded assholes like you that prevent people from achieving their political goals.

  16. M$ bleeding money by rasz · · Score: 1

    M$ is loosing $50 on every XBox, the word is Sony is able to sell PS2 with profit. I wonder why ?

    1. Re:M$ bleeding money by wheany · · Score: 1

      I don't know, but typing M$ makes you look like a retard.