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Thunderbird 0.7 Released
aeinome writes "Right on the heels of the release of Firefox 0.9 comes the official release of Thunderbird 0.7. Updates are similar to Firefox's, with new extension and theme managers and slight increases in speed. Be sure to read the release notes for the complete list of new features, and then download it from the Thunderbird homepage."
will it win critical acclaim?
I have been using Thunderbird for quite sometime now. It is EXCELLENT. The spam filter works well after you train it.
This is great for my parents' computer because they are still using Windows. But I really like Evolution better on the Linux side of things. Thunderbird is very good overall and I recommend it to all existing users of Outlook and Outlook Express. Get out now while you can!
Yes. One checks your mail. The other lets you browse the web. As for killer features, it depends whether you like getting your porn in your inbox or downloading from websites.
Firefox is a webrowser, and Thunderbird is an email client.
Same questions as for firefox, when can we expect it in the Fedora updates?
I used Outlook for a long time before getting fed up with it, and now I'm going through the same thing with Thunderbird. In fact, I still can't seem to switch between HTML and plaintext email composition without changing my overall composition preferences, which is buried at least four or five clicks away from the composition window.
:) and realize email is a centeral pda application and to that end we need scheduling, adress books that sync with our newtons, and help us manage our lives. Indeed, do Thunderbird right and you can really shake up the world because there's a real hunger and need for an ultra powerful email/usenet/scheduler/contact/pda manager.
I'm not sure if it's a config design issue as much as it is a familiarity issue. I dumped Outlook because of its history with security, and Outlook 2002's poor compatibility with Windows XP. Thunderbird is better in some ways, but it definitely has its downsides, not the least of which is the painful configuration of multiple accounts and general preferences.
Firefox and Thunderbird are incredible aps but Thunderbird especially has a lot of room for improvement. When Thunderbird can piece together split usenet files and handle Y-EN/C then it will probably truly have arived for many of us. After that you need to out-exchange exchange
Firefox is a standalone browser whereas Thunderbird is a standalone email/news client.
yet still without multipart MIME support in newsgroups. Sorry guys but if you want your news client to have any sort of market share better make sure it is more porn friendly!
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Er, wait, you're talking about email, huh?
Never mind, then, carry on... [hic!]
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My question is.... When will Firefox and Thunderbird be packaged together in a new full blown Mozilla release? Can't seem to find any info on the website regarding it.
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Opera, AFAIK, is not open-source. Firefox and Thunderbird are. Firefox and Thunderbird IMO are more stable and have more/easier to use features. Also, they look better. And in some cases are faster than Opera. Go try them out, they won't bite :-p
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Here you go.
Hope that helps out.
Joseph?
The correct thread by mscott, pointing out the 0.7 release is right here. This is not a release candidate but an actual point release.
Totally incorrect. While the Release Candidate was released on Monday, which is what you linked to, the new 0.7 is the official release two days later as no major problems were found with the Release Candidate. For more information, see here.
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*slight* increase in speed? I saw that Firefox allegedly had a "3% increase" - Bollocks! - it's CRAP LOADS faster than the old version! If TBird has a similar speed increase I'm looking forward to it.
One releases binaries for FreeBSD, the other doesn't.
Am I dead yet?
Which is why we should all type in smaller fonts... to save disk space.
We even use it on the Macs, which came with... Mail.app? iMail.app? whatever... We use it on the Macs, because it just does IMAP better. It still amazes me how poorly most email clients handle IMAP.
Thunderbird also supports TLS for all mail communications, which is very nice to have out of the box support for in free software.
YMMV.
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Three? There's WAY more browsers than that! Check this out:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/
In the past I've used First Class Client, pine, and currently I'm satisfied with web-based e-mail. What's the benefit of using mail clients such as Thunderbird or Outlook over web-based e-mail? For my web-based e-mail I get
.forward file for my pine account so I can read those e-mails on my web mail account.
* no ads
* at least 1 GB per mail account
* spam filtering
* impossible to download infected attachments
* etc
I also edited the
So, it could just be that I'm a moron, but I thought I'd share anyway.
Virtually every program I use in Mac OS X Panther allows me to overwrite an old program with the newer version without screwing up any of the settings. Thunderbird, however, screwed up big time. It copied perfectly, and opened smoothly, but it did NOT keep any of my settings. I'm having to go through and reconfigure all my email accounts and settings from scratch. I like thunderbird, but this little feature is a big enough pain in the ass that I may have to stick with Mail just so I don't have to worry about wasting time with this again. Proceed with caution, Mac users.
I am sorry to rain on the parade and I will start my (anonymous) rant with kudos for the Mozilla developers.
Having said that, I just tried to upgrade my existing Thunderbird installation and I get an error that refuses to go away till I kill the fricking Thunderbird instance. Yes, clean profile, yadda,yadda,yadda.. I know all about it. The reality that the Mozilla developers steadfastly seem to deny is this.. (in bold text, since I am somewhat annoyed).
Though you say that your products are not release ready, people actually USE them as if they were .
Ask me how many times I've agonized and read forums and moaned and wrung my hands over Firefox ? Many, many hours. The move from 0.7 to 0.8 was traumatic and the move from 0.8 to 0.9 was less so, but still took several hours of time before things were back to normal. Yes, I understand the use of profiles, why it is important, why having the same profile from one version to another is a bad idea.. But face facts. We are now (in the case of Thunderbird) 3 point releases away from a 1.0 Is going from fully functioning mail client to something that won't even start even remotely acceptable ? My view is that it is not.
Add to that the attitude of some (again, I apologize for waving a very general tar brush in the direction of the hardworking and unrecognized Mozilla developers) responsible for core development and you wonder ... are you an open source project worthy of the name ? I personally would LOVE to help. But what's the point ? There has been public rejection or ignoring of my attempts to get involved. I know I am not alone in this plight. I will just mention in passing that some of the Mozilla developers come off as having a slight attitude problem and leave it at that. If you have had the misfortune at being on the receiving end of their tirades, you know what I mean here.
I like Mozilla, I like the idea of choice, I like the idea of an alternate mail client and browser. I am willing to help, as are so many others. But if we're delegated to the role of consumers and consumers alone, then at least listen. Your installer sucks in terms of migrating existing profiles and users. I am sorry, but it doesn't matter how many bells and whistles your application has.. if it doesn't start, it's all moot anyway. Maybe THIS post will get through to some person who is responsible for decision making in Mozilla. If not, thanks Slashdot. You let me vent and let off steam.
Anyone who uses email frequently cannot live without threaded messaging once exposed to it. This and this alone will keep me off of webmail forever (sure, you *could* thread in webmail, but it would either result in many trips back / forth to the server to expand / collapse the threads, or it would need fancy JS and DHTML magic which I have never seen in a webmail app.).
I access my email solely through IMAP, and while I *do* occasionally use my webmail access while away from the desk, it is far from my first choice.
Other things client side email can give you
- Better spam filtering than webmail, since you can run your own and fine tune it
- Don't have to worry about your email account suddenly being terminated due to the whim of a company
- Privacy issues
- Infinite GB per email account (in theory)
- Better integration with your desktop calendar and addressbook
- Ability to easily sync with your PDA / Cell phone
- Ability to click "mailto:" in your web browser and have it work
etc...
Delete your old install first, then install it. Or install to another folder. That should make it work.
Can Thunderbird finally display progress from separate mail accounts at the same time? Maybe something more than "Downloading 1 of 629" ? Something that indicates how much time is left?
Thanks, I'd never heard of Nvu until just now.
But to answer your question (with another question, don't you just hate that?), why would mozilla bundle Firefox and Thunderbird together, when a) lots of people only use Firefox, or only use Thunderbird, b) the total file size probably wouldn't be much smaller, and c) even if the total file size was smaller, the people for whom it matters most (dialup users) would still be better off with separate files?
Also, I don't see why mozilla.org would distribute Nvu at all, since they didn't make it (despite the fact that it uses Gecko). (Not that it wouldn't be nice if Mozilla made it; they're more interested in cross-platformness than Lindows, and I wouldn't mind having a version for Mac OS X)
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
The funny thing is, they do have 3 browsers, even though Thunderbird isn't one of them!
(Mozilla, Firefox, and Camino, by the way - and they have 3 because they serve different purposes)
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Just a heads up... I installed it and it looks like they've worked this out quite well.
It's behavior in this regard is different that Outlook Express but not in a bad way. I'm still getting used to it, but I think I can make the switch!
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
Can I use it instead of outlook to connect to the Exchange server at work?
It has two tick boxes, one for enabling single window mode for all links, and another to enable opening external links in new tabs. I've got the first one off and the second one on. Works great!
And don't forget that a simple semicolon will do in many situations where you may be tempted to use a whole colon.
I don't know if it is a general problem or not, but when I've tried to download Thunderbird themes Firefox has attempted to use them, instead of passing them to Thunderbird.
Not passing them to Thunderbird isn't that big a deal, really. Trying to use them in Firefox is. Installing a Thunderbird theme into Firefox will cause all of Firefox's controls to disappear.
A little caution is in order.
Actually, running Mozilla is faster than running both Firefox and Thunderbird at the same time, because the mail/news and navigator components of Mozilla use the same instance of the Gecko Rendering Engine without wasting system resources. There is NO reason that I can possibly think of for switching from Mozilla [SeaMonkey] to Firefox+Thunderbird until Firefox+Thunderbird can utilize the same instance of the GRE. Moreover, if you want standalone, you can always select the specific components you want installed during the graphical installation or during compile.
The stupid drawer, and the fact that delete does not work correctly in the mail view.
I have used mail.app because there was nothing really better on osx, and the mail app is pretty good. But it has now been regulated away. I much prefer the three-pane view over the drawer view, which for mail seems just kinda clunky. Drawers are good, if they are not OPEN all the time.
Actually strike that, I think drawers are a bad UI concept.
And the fact that the list widget doesn't work properly just drives me crazy, and the fact that thunderbirds DOES work properly is enough!
Charamel is pretty nice. It's a dual theme for both Firefox and Thunderbird. I've been using it for the last couple of days, and it supports the new extensions for Firefox 0.9 and Thunderbird 0.7. It's definately worth checking out!
# Other New Features... New user interface for viewing vCards. New Profile Manager which also supports running from a USB device..... -- Okay folks for a new feature it seems to be very well hidden (and the profile seems to have full paths in it) hints or ideas?? the firefox version works quite well
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I've been using Firewhatever since .6 or so (maybe earlier) and I jumped on Thunderbird when it came out. But at school last semester I used webmail. When I came home I reinstalled Thunderbird, .6 and the .7 prerelease and they both stutter on the Inbox screen. I haven't found anymore info on it and it's only in the mail 3 pane view (when viewing an invidiual message it doesn't happen). Anyone know what the deal is?
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Yeah I almost flipped a lid that I lost my mail and didn't bother to back up Thunderbird. Then I realized I'm an idiot, and the application doesn't store my user info.
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Don't know about Thunderbird, but Firefox has customisable toolbars, which is something the is severely lacking in Mozilla. Also, as I'm a web developer, I'm opening and closing web browsers quite frequently (to make sure Java is totally out of memory), and I find the startup time on Firefox is quite a bit faster than Mozilla (it's almost as fast as opening IE which is pretty good as IE is intergrated into the system, thus always partially running).
Open up Thunderbird and go to File and Import.
You can select Outlook, and import your contacts and all of your email over with no problems.
Is it possible to reduce the size of the toolbar icons, and remove the text under the icons?
Sure. Right click on an empty spot in the tool bar and choose Customize. Or, if you prefer, click View->Toolbars->Customize.
Is it possible to toggle full headers view on/off as you can in eg. PINE or mutt?
Haven't used PINE or mutt, but it sounds like you want View->Headers->All or View->Headers->Normal.
I think Thunderbird should be renamed Rainbowbird.
Parent is not trolling, HTML email is indeed bad etiquette. Just a matter of KISS. Anyway, why HTML email? Email is meant to send text messages. Attachments are fine if you want to transmit something else (like you can do in regular mail), but deliver the text as text (preferably 7-bit ASCII) so it's easier to read for everyone in any device.
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I use Mozilla at work on WinXP and at home on FC1 for IMAP email. Other then being smaller and faster to start (not an issue as I have fast computers in both places) what features does thunderbird offer that Mozilla does not. Or what is better about it that I should switch?
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is it possible to use thunderbird / firefox and have them share a single set of config files? is there a tutorial anywhere showing how to do this?
Evolution does... View->Hide Deleted Messages. Make sure it's unchecked. Evolution 1.4.6
I haven't used Thunderbird so I can't comment
I like thunderbird 0.6 and 0.7 looks set to extend my good experiences with 0.6 - however (don't laugh) I'm not ready to give up Outlook just yet. As far as I'm concerned Thunderbird is a better mail client than Outlook in all but one respect.
I use email as a productivity tool - I send many emails to many people, on many topics - data entry speed is very important to me - and the clarity of my messages is very important to my recipients. I believe I can spell, and that my grammar is good - but this only means I can be sure my message 'hangs-together' when I've proof-read it a couple of times. When I use Word as my editor it corrects my silly typographic errors on the fly and detects and alerts me about many malformed sentences with its famous "wobbly green line" - which I find invaluable. I realise that as a grammar checker Word's is wanting, and that Thunderbird has a spelling checker... but I, for one, find these differences make using Thunderbird less productive than using Outlook.
Are there any plans to wire in a grammar/style checker?
Will we ever see an "autocorrect" feature like Word's?
As silly as these two might sound, IMHO, they are the single biggest barriers to adoption of open source productivity tools.
I'm sort of nervous about where Tbird keeps the attachments, if I export the mail / import into another app if Tbird proj goes TU, will I still have everything.
Thunderbird keeps mails as they come - attachments are included inline instead of stripped and saved separately.
And the whole thing is saved in "mbox" format which is so common and simple (basically just message after message in plain text file) that everything should be able to read or import it.
...apart from the fact that its presence on my hard drive makes my computer freeze and reset sporadically. It could be just coincidence, but I did a total reinstall of Windows two weeks ago, and everything was running fine until I reinstalled Thunderbird two nights ago. Now it's back to it's usual ways. Surely it must be a coincidence? Does Thunderbird alter any highly important system files when you install it?
My other processor is big-endian.