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HOPE Conference Gets Wozniak, Mitnick, Biafra

Emmanuel Goldstein writes "We've gone through all of our submissions, and selected nearly 70 talks and panels for the next HOPE conference in New York City, to be held from July 9th-11th. We have Steve Wozniak, Kevin Mitnick, and Jello Biafra as keynotes, and many more interesting talks and seminars, plus a round the clock hacker movie room and a lockpicking workshop." The official website explains: " This is a conference by, for, and about hackers on as many levels as we can come up with, ranging from the highly technical to the down to earth, from computers to phones, from serious to hilarious. And our doors are open to anyone interested in what the hacker world has to say." We previously ran a story on this conference a couple of months back, before full speaker details were available.

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  1. All that's missing is a Phish show by Flounder · · Score: 4, Funny
    We have Steve Wozniak, Kevin Mitnick, and Jello Biafra

    Sorry, just the idea of Woz as the opening act for the Dead Kennedys puts a smile on my face.

    --

    No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. - Cmdr. Susan Ivanova

    1. Re:All that's missing is a Phish show by rixstep · · Score: 1

      I hate techie conferences, but I could go just to experience JB. The best bedtime lullaby music ever made.

    2. Re:All that's missing is a Phish show by fuzzix · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've seen Jello speak a couple of times here in Dublin. He's an interesting, charismatic and often poetic speaker with a great sense of humour that rarely gets in the way of the gravity of the discussion. He has a few records out on Alternative Tentacles. Also featured is an interesting history of the Dead Kennedys. Check out Jello's pages for the latest info on their infamous court battles.
      Well worth going along just to hear him, in my opinion. Wish I could offer an opinion on the other speakers :)

    3. Re:All that's missing is a Phish show by pegr · · Score: 3, Funny

      We have Steve Wozniak, Kevin Mitnick, and Jello Biafra

      Name a hacker, a cracker, and a whacker...

      I'm not picking on Jello... All my DK is on vinyl kiddies!

    4. Re:All that's missing is a Phish show by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

      pfeh, that's not punk.

      all my DK is on 2nd or 3rd generation live bootleg cassette tape.

    5. Re:All that's missing is a Phish show by flyneye · · Score: 1

      Ive seen Jello a few times here in the U.S. He's a whining crybaby who increases his celebrity by latching on to the "cause du jour"and riding it into the ground.Since the "Frankenchrist poster hoopla" is long over and uninteresting most of the world has forgotten the rebel without applause except to release a sigh of frustration everytime his appearance on ministrys "in case you didn't show up" video spoils the mood.

      --
      *Repent!Quit Your Job!Slack Off!The World Ends Tomorrow and You May Die!
    6. Re:All that's missing is a Phish show by bhsurfer · · Score: 1

      I went to see Jello sometime around 1987 or 88 (don't really remember). I do remember that he seemed genuinely unhappy to see the Geiger poster I presented him with, but he autographed it for me anyway... My friends thought it was kind of funny to watch him squirm after he had just made us squirm during his 1.5 hours of rant. I enjoyed his bit myself (and love the DKs), although it seemed like a lot of "punkers" hated him & the DKs in general. Seems like not much has changed since then...

      --
      Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
      Groucho Marx
    7. Re:All that's missing is a Phish show by sp0rk173 · · Score: 1

      I experienced that at the punk voter tour this year. Went there to see Jello give a 15 minute talk, but I had to wade through all the NOFX lovers in the croud that tried to boo Jello off stage, most of them not knowing that he was the brains behind DK, simply because they were anxious to hear Hot Dog In A Hallway or some other seeminly meaningless song. When Fat Mike got up after him he just kind of glared at the crowd. Nothing against NOFX, they have some great, politically charged songs but man...their fans tend to be jerkoffs. I think myself and maybe 20 other people in a crowd of at least 1500 held our fists up in solidarity as Jello preached. Made me lose a lot of faith in the punk kids of today.

    8. Re:All that's missing is a Phish show by OneFootIn · · Score: 1

      Is Jello stealing people's email now?

      That is, when he's not busy suing the other DKs...

    9. Re:All that's missing is a Phish show by raxhonp · · Score: 1

      Dead Kennedys - "We've Got A Bigger Problem Now"

      Last call for alcohol.
      Last call for your freedom of speech.
      Drink up. Happy hour is now enforced by law.
      Don't forget our house special, it's called a Trickie Dickie Screwdriver.
      It's got one part Jack Daniels, two parts purple Kool-Aid,
      and a jigger of formaldehyde
      from the jar with Hitler's brain in it we got in the back storeroom.
      Happy trails to you. Happy trails to you.

      I am Emperor Ronald Reagan
      Born again with fascist cravings
      Still, you made me president

      Human rights will soon go 'way
      I am now your Shah today
      Now I command all of you
      Now you're going to pray in school
      I'll make sure they're Christian too

      California Uber alles
      Uber alles California

      Ku Klux Klan will control you
      Still you think it's natural
      Nigger knockin' for the master race
      Still you wear the happy face

      You closed your eyes, can't happen here
      Alexander Haig is near
      Vietnam won't come back you say
      Join the army or you will pay

      California Uber alles
      Uber alles California

      Yeah, that's it. Just relax.
      Have another drink, few more pretzels, little more MSG.
      Turn on those Dallas Cowboys on your TV.
      Lock your doors. Close your mind.
      It's time for the two-minute warning.

      Welcome to 1984
      Are you ready for the third world war?!?
      You too will meet the secret police
      They'll draft you and they'll jail your niece

      You'll go quitely to boot camp
      They'll shoot you dead, make you a man
      Don't you worry, it's for a cause
      Feeding global corporations' claws

      Die on our brand new poison gas
      El Salvador or Afghanistan
      Making money for President Reagan
      And all the friends of President Reagan

      California Uber alles
      Uber alles California

  2. jello by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    damn, i'll have to change my holiday plans from cambodia to nyc

    1. Re:jello by RTPMatt · · Score: 1

      and you wouldnt believe how much more the DK rock than the KD ;)

      sorry there

    2. Re:jello by Flounder · · Score: 2, Insightful
      KD rocks

      Let's hear it for Lesbian Country!!

      --

      No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. - Cmdr. Susan Ivanova

    3. Re:jello by wackysootroom · · Score: 1

      Yes, but don't forget to pack a wife!

    4. Re:jello by Chemicalscum · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "Um...no. I think you'll find that socialists and anarchists are two seperate groups. They havn't always seen eye-to-eye and to call radical socialists anarchists is ignorant."

      Libertarian socialists and left-wing communists are pretty much similar to anarchists as they both reject the state as a means of achieving their political objectives and aim for an anarchist society. Social democratic socialists and Leninist communists are not close to anarchists since they rely on the the strength of the state in its state capitalist and bureaucrat state capitalist forms to achieve their political objectives.

      Formally all Marxists in the long term aim for a stateless or anarchistic society - just that some of them seem to see it so far in the future, that all they are concerned with is trying to get control of state power now. The original dispute betweeen Marx and the socialists on the one hand and Bukunin and they anarchists on the other, in the First International, is to too complex to discuss in a short note. Does that clarify the differences?

    5. Re:jello by stanmann · · Score: 1
      anti-government far-left socialists
      ??????

      Socialists believe that the government should be my mommy, so HOW can you be an anti-government socialist??

      or did you mean anti US-government?
      --
      Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
    6. Re:jello by unperson · · Score: 1


      I could go, if only well paid scientists like myself were able get time off work...I feel like I'm tied to a rack!

    7. Re:jello by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Mit
      Nick
      Mit
      Nick
      Mit
      Nik
      Mitnick
      Mitnick
      Mitnick
      Mitnick
      Mitnick
      Mitnick

      Mit
      Nick

      (The postercomment compression filter sucks, by the way.)

      --
      It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
    8. Re:jello by JAD+lifter · · Score: 1



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  3. Round the clock hacker movie room? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Great! We can teach people to hack UNIX mainframes using 'ls' and 'rm'!

    1. Re:Round the clock hacker movie room? by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

      They should just run all the 'great' hacker movies. Hackers, wargames, takedown, sneakers, etc.

      --
      "Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
  4. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    The only problem now is coming up with a reason for my boss to send me to a hacking conference.

    I doubt he'd even want me to "improve my 1337 hax0ring skillz".

    1. Re:Great by Urgo · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is much more to a "hacker conference" then what the media portrays hacking as. Hacking in the true sense, and in the true 2600 sense is the quest for knowledge and questioning things that aren't fair. Yes many things will be spoken about the conference that will 'improve your 1337 hax0ring skillz' but there's really so much more.

      I've been a 2600 goer, off the hook and off the wall listener for over two years now and through it made friends with a lot of great people (shout outs to the ma2600 crowd). At 2600 meetings, and the hope conferences (although I've never attended one) there are panels on everything from social engineering to Abuse of Authority to the patriot act. See a list of panels from the last conference here.

      So before making a stupid comment like "I doubt he'd even want me to "improve my 1337 hax0ring skillz"." take a look at the site and reexamine your definition of hackers. There's a lot more then what the mass media labels people as. I will be in the process of moving during the conference so I will be unable to attend otherwise I think it'd be a great educational experience to hear really bright people speak.

      --
      Belive in Technology and AMAZE yourself. -- RIP ZDTV/TechTV
    2. Re:Great by abhisarda · · Score: 1

      Is there any comparison between Defcon and this conference?

    3. Re:Great by Klanglor · · Score: 1

      Easy...

      Business is abour ROI, to anti-hack you have to understand hacking.

      The Terminator, a killinging machine, actualy know how to heal. Because to kill you must know how to heal in order to make optimal damage.

      Therefore, "1337 hax0ring 5k122z" will enable you to enhance your awareness of the hacking world, thus better identifing potential faws in the computer system or any potential theats.

      Remember, a security leak can seriously damage the company reputation and fincances. so the ROI should can be easily pumped up!

      Be creative. Anyone has "better" examples of ROI?

  5. Goldstein on IMDb by gbulmash · · Score: 4, Informative
    Due to his consultant credit on Hackers and "as himself" credits in some documentaries, Goldstein has a page on IMDb. There's also a photo, but that's due to him or someone representing him submitting it.

    No pictures of Woz on IMDb, but there are photos from Pirates of Silicon Valley (with one showing Joey Slotnick playing Woz).

    - Greg

    1. Re:Goldstein on IMDb by Jason+Scott · · Score: 1

      Do people really need a biography for Steven Wozniak?

      If they do, I might as well suggest an unusual one. Of course, you can also just learn about him from the man himself.

    2. Re:Goldstein on IMDb by zoeblade · · Score: 1

      No pictures of Woz on IMDb

      If you want to know what Woz looks like, you can always download this interview.

  6. New Comdex? by mek2600 · · Score: 1

    Has HOPE become the new Comdex?

    This show might be harder to get my boss to pay for. The name might be hard to sell as bing "good for the company" :)

  7. Jello? by scr7b · · Score: 1, Funny

    That's not a name!!

    1. Re:Jello? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Jello Biafra is the stage name of Eric Boucher, former lead singer of the Dead Kennedys (amongst others). More information on his Wikipedia page.

    2. Re:Jello? by Flounder · · Score: 1

      The question should be... Is there really always room for Jello?

      --

      No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. - Cmdr. Susan Ivanova

    3. Re:Jello? by kfg · · Score: 3, Funny

      name n.

      1. A word or words by which an entity is designated and distinguished from others.

      I think it would be hard to claim that the words Jello Biafra do not distinguish Eric from others.

      KFG

  8. I thought Biafra had passed away... by Power+Everywhere · · Score: 1

    From complications of diabetes. If he hasn't, as it seems, who on Earth was I thinking of?

    1. Re:I thought Biafra had passed away... by Threni · · Score: 1

      > From complications of diabetes. If he hasn't, as it seems, who on Earth was I
      > thinking of?

      No idea. Sylvia Plath's father, perhaps? Bill Hicks maybe? I also think of Biafra as Hicks, only without the sense of humour.

    2. Re:I thought Biafra had passed away... by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

      Ha! This is offtopic, but I heard WW on a tourbus recently. I've been buying up all I can of him. You're the first person not on that bus to either mention his name or not reply with a "duh" look when I ask if someone's heard of him.

      On another note, I understand he died about 8 years ago.

      --
      Saying Android is a family of phones is akin to saying Linux is a family of PCs.
  9. Jello Biafra by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 2, Funny

    All constitutional rights have been suspended.
    Stay in your homes!
    SHUT UP! BE HAPPY!

    Anyone interfering with the collection of urine samples WILL BE SHOT!

    --
    READY.
    PRINT ""+-0
  10. jello by RTPMatt · · Score: 1

    i dunno, i saw jello several times on the punk voter tour, and i found that he didnt have anything very intresting to say. KD rocks, but jello needs to give it up. sorry.

  11. Warning... funny name posse... by Fnkmaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lessee, Woz - greak hacker, check. Mitnick - great hacker/cracker, check. Jello Biafra - founding member of the funny name posse, where he is joined by other people who get an inordinate number of speaking gigs relative to their qualifications, like American McGee, Simpson Garfinkle, and Jennifer 8. Lee. Hmm, I thought geeks were supposed to be smart enough to judge people on their actual merits, not the marketing they do of their name cum public identity. Blah, ridiculous stuff like this makes me lose faith in humanity.

    1. Re:Warning... funny name posse... by madprof · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mitnick is not a great hacker/cracker when it came to computer systems, but a great social engineer. He had more balls than a lot of people.
      When it came to breaking in he...knew how to compile programs and move files about certainly.
      Frankly he was a pain in the rear to loads of people with his pointless activities. He advanced hacking zilch, he gave nothing to anyone, except a bad name.

    2. Re:Warning... funny name posse... by Threni · · Score: 1

      > Jello Biafra - founding member of the funny name posse, where he is joined by
      > other people who get an inordinate number of speaking gigs relative to their
      > qualifications, like American McGee, Simpson Garfinkle, and Jennifer 8. Lee.
      > Hmm, I thought geeks were supposed to be smart enough to judge people on their > actual merits, not the marketing they do of their name cum public identity.
      > Blah, ridiculous stuff like this makes me lose faith in humanity.

      No, Biafra actually is most famous for being in a punk band which put it's money where it's mouth was regarding first amendment protection of free speech. Why not look it up some time. When you're not worrying about what something or others name is, that is.

    3. Re:Warning... funny name posse... by mfh · · Score: 1

      Maybe Jello did some social engineering of his own to get a spot as keynote? Ergo, he is worthy. Punk bands like DK rule anyway, so who cares if he's there? I'm sure he's got lots to say about the Nazi Shit going on in the USA these days. I'd like to hear it.

      --
      The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
    4. Re:Warning... funny name posse... by telemonster · · Score: 1

      Biafria spoke at h2k2 about large corporation marketing. It was good, he had albums of corporate anthems for various popular companies. People programming!

      Good stuff, it was entertaining. Charismatic speaker, and it was later in the night. He spoke for about 2 hours.

      Don't knock it until you see it.

      See you all there!

      --
      Southeastern Virginia REPRESENT!
  12. Re:Steve Wozniak, Kevin Mitnick, and Jello Biafra by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

    Great - a hippie, a hacker, and a heretic.

    Just one "H" short of bringing the discussion back to robot sheep.

    KFG

  13. Woohoo! They're looking at the AS/400!!! by j3ll0 · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Seriously people, the AS/400 architecture, and the overlying OS/400 operating system is one of the nicest pieces of engineering you'll find.

    They've been doing 'the file system is a database' since before Bill and Co were in long pants.

    If you get a chance to catch that lecture, and have your x86-oriented mind blown away.

    That lecture will probably not be performed by Jello, even though he blows minds for a living

  14. Re:-1 offtopic OH REALLY? by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 1


    "The number one enemy of progress is QUESTIONS!
    National security is MORE IMPORTANT than individual will.
    Obey all orders without question!
    The comfort you demanded is now mandatory!
    BE HAPPY!
    At last everything is done FOR you"

    This sounds more like where we're all headed...

    --
    READY.
    PRINT ""+-0
  15. Translation for all the real hackers by Eric(b0mb)Dennis · · Score: 5, Funny

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    --
    Excuse me, I don't mean to impose, but I am the ocean
    1. Re:Translation for all the real hackers by double-oh+three · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you mean, "all the real script kiddies".

      --
      "For years, I struggled with reality... but I'm happy to say I finally won out over it." -- Elwood P. Dowd
  16. 11am on Sunday, Area B by Jason+Scott · · Score: 4, Interesting

    See everyone there! I'll be speaking on "Saving Digital History: A Quick and Dirty Guide". Mention Slashdot to me for absolutely no special gift whatsoever. Catch you at the bar.

    1. Re:11am on Sunday, Area B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Jason, you rock!

      Textfiles.com is one of the best things on the internet! Cant wait for the BBS documentary. :-)

      -A fan

  17. Video Recordings and Transcripts by afriguru · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've said it more than once that it's a good idea if the proceedings of such meetings can be made available in video, audio and transcript form. A lot of free 'geek documentation' gets lost when conferences like this only choose to cater for those who actually attend.

    1. Re:Video Recordings and Transcripts by Jason+Scott · · Score: 2, Informative

      Allow me to go the extra step you did not, and point out that the previous HOPE conference, H2K2, has the majority of panels online. So does the conference before it, H2K.

      Using these two points, one can possibly plot a trend towards the current conference also making these panels available for download.

    2. Re:Video Recordings and Transcripts by mlc · · Score: 4, Informative
      Videos are usually eventually made available of the HOPE conferences. The H2K2 VCDs, for example, are finally available, and MP3 files are available for free from our website. If you're interested in spending your time typing up transcripts and making them available, we won't stop you.

      But you're right: our priority is on folks who are physically present. They are, after all, the ones who make the conferences happen. (And, they get to have the most fun.)

    3. Re:Video Recordings and Transcripts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      you can get them on the usual fbi servers the following monday after it closes....

  18. I was planning to go... by byolinux · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...but the US Government scaring me, and the cost involved prevents me from doing it.

    I hope to see people from HOPE/2600 out in Germany at Christmas though.

    1. Re:I was planning to go... by byolinux · · Score: 1

      And this was when? The 1940s? The 1980s?

      Germany nowadays is rather nice.

    2. Re:I was planning to go... by IrishMASMS · · Score: 1

      They scare me, and I even work work for them! But yet I am going, hell I am on the wireless panel.... It should not stop you from going, otherwise they have won! ;)

  19. Re:Free Kevin!!! by Jason+Scott · · Score: 1

    > Free Kevin!!!! someone had to say it

    Well, obviously these days the term is Kevin Free, but still, it's kind of fun to go back and remember how effective that slogan was for getting the word out.

  20. McDonalds connection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I wonder what sort of thought process went into the art at the top of the page.

    1. Re:McDonalds connection? by double-oh+three · · Score: 1

      The theme this year is propaganda, which I think it's hard to argue that advertising isn't.

      --
      "For years, I struggled with reality... but I'm happy to say I finally won out over it." -- Elwood P. Dowd
  21. Re:Free Kevin!!! by SphericalCrusher · · Score: 1

    Kevin was freed in 2000. Now shut the fuck up.

    I for one will try my best to attend. I'm on a pretty low budget right now... so I'll probably end up sleeping on the street of I go. Hell, it'll be worth it though! Just breathing the same air as Mitnick, Goldstein, or Woz... *faints* Haha.

    --
    "Instant gratification takes too long." - Carrie Fisher
  22. Hacker conference != security conference by gbnewby · · Score: 4, Informative

    When I look at the speaker schedule, the difference between a HOPE conference and other security-themed conferences is obvious. The scope of sessions and the range of speakers reinforces the notion that hacking is still open to everyone with a will to get involved, and not just about the technology. Am I biased? I guess so, since I'm one of the conference organizers.

    PS, to the person looking for past session archives: it's all online for free download, or you can buy the CD. Just visit http://www.h2k2.net or http://www.2600.com and go to the store.

    1. Re:Hacker conference != security conference by IrishMASMS · · Score: 1

      I have presented at security conferences, knowing full well some of the knobs that get a slot to present. Some suit trying to look good & get another bullet on their resume or performance feedback. Makes me sick to know more about the topic than the presenter. Hell, last year some putz was supposed to be presenting about spam & the issues involved; I just about took his presentation over he sucked that bad.

      Attending 'hacker' cons have pissed me off in the past, because many of the supposed topics are thinly veiled presentations on some new software, script kiddie exploit, or some other BS, wasting my time. No real content, or the presenter has not prepared for the presentation, or just outright can not present. Defcon has been bad on this in the past, and it happened a few times at Notacon this year as well.

      Just looking at the speaker schedule will only give an overview, but not the true story to how good the content is, what the presenters are like, or if the range of speakers reinforces the notion that hacking is still open to everyone. My presentation proposals were denied at previous Con's. In many ways it depends on who is running the show & who they are friends with.

      Speaking of schedules, can we get a time line based schedule for HOPE?

  23. It's a Holiday in New York City! by Baldrson · · Score: 4, Funny
    And it's a holiday in New York City
    Where you'll do what you're told
    A holiday in New York City
    Where the slums got so much soul

    Bloomberg! Bloomberg! Bloomberg! Bloomberg!

  24. Doors are open? by Colourspace · · Score: 4, Funny

    I would expect that with a lock picking workshop.

    1. Re:Doors are open? by Analogy+Man · · Score: 1

      Damn u beat me to this post!!

      --
      When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
  25. addition of Bruce Schneier by mlc · · Score: 4, Informative

    We just announced the addition of renowned computer security expert Bruce Schneier to our speaker schedule!

    1. Re:addition of Bruce Schneier by nkh · · Score: 1, Redundant

      It's either a joke or the best info ever to happen. Bruce Schneier being the crypto guru who wrote Beyond Fear (I encourage you to buy it asap).

    2. Re:addition of Bruce Schneier by mlc · · Score: 1

      I promise, it's not a joke. I leave the decision as to if it's "the best info ever to happen" to the individual reader's tastes.

  26. Re:Who's Jello Biafra? by kfg · · Score: 4, Informative
  27. Uh oh.. by manavendra · · Score: 1

    And our doors are open to anyone interested in what the hacker world has to say

    .. yeah, and if they are not, we have the people who will open them for us, one way or the other!

    --
    http://efil.blogspot.com/
  28. what's your point? by RMH101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    i doubt many corporation's IS managers fancy sending their staff on any trips that go anywhere near the H word. whether that's right or wrong's another matter, but the OP's point was perfectly valid, not a "stupid comment".

    1. Re:what's your point? by lysium · · Score: 1
      I doubt many corporation's IS managers fancy sending their staff on any trips that go anywhere near the H word.

      Agreed! Any organization that used 'IS' or 'MIS' to mean 'IT' is so behind the times that they will definately not understand the proper definition of "the H word." Chances are their systems run like shit, too.

      ===---===

      --
      Together, we will drive the rats from the tundra.
  29. More Jello by Willeh · · Score: 1

    Having Jello Biafra at these kinds of conventions is a really good idea, and one that seems to go down extremely well. I hope they mp3 the speeches again, as i remember them doing with Biafra's last talk in 2002 i believe. Also this speech was brought out on his 'Become the media' spoken word album, which i recommend to anyone.

    --
    Will wank off Linus Torvalds for fame.
    1. Re:More Jello by Analogy+Man · · Score: 1
      My fondest memory of Jello is him hauling several newspapers out of a trenchcoat to hand Tipper Gore her own words on a talk show about 15 years ago.

      She walked right into that one after mistakenly walking in grossly underestimating him...beautiful bit, just beautiful.

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    2. Re:More Jello by Analogy+Man · · Score: 1
      Here are his own word on the matter:
      The second time around I came prepared. They put me and Ice-T [who has sampled stuff from the No More Cocoons album] in one dressing room and we got to meet and that was cool. Now it's been documented that Tipper Gore has denied having anything to do with the Frankenchrist trial and told the Philadelphia Inquirer that she had nothing to do with it. Then I got a copy of the Metro Times out of Nashville where she says she'd like to take credit for it. So I brought it with me to the second show, which I was shocked to invited back to and I'm convinced that neither Oprah nor her producer realized I was the same guy until I was actually in the room on the air. So brought it up on the air and or course she denied it, so I pulled it out of my pocket and read it. The audience starts hissing, except for the ones Tipper planted, and Oprah immediately cut to a commercial and said "Oh we've all been misquoted haven't we Jello?" So did I get to say anything more for the rest of the show? Uh uh.
      from HERE
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  30. Oh no, someone call ESR quick!! by autopr0n · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Looks like people are "misusing" the word hacker again! Someone better let ESR know so he can stop all this nonsense!

    Note: that was sarcasm.

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    1. Re:Oh no, someone call ESR quick!! by Stallmanite · · Score: 1

      In the 1950s a hacker was someone who tinkered with electronics and radios. In the 1970s people started getting a hold of computers and tinkering with them. (Ever hear the phrase "computer hacker"? If all hacking happened on computers, "computer hacker" would be redundant.)

      The old farts like RMS and ESR make a big deal out of it because they actually remember the 70s. They remember a time when hacking meant play with/tinker. They remember Hollywood getting a hold of the term and raping it.

      ESR is our public relations guy. It makes sense that he would be upset about the public associating FOSS with the scum of the earth.

      The negative connotation of "hacker" is probably far worse for our image than SCO has been!

  31. What's Jello doing there? by OakLEE · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No offense to Jello--I'm a great Jello fan (see sig)--but what exactly is the point of having him speak at a hacking convention? He'd be great on a number of issues, but I fail to see what he adds here.

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    1. Re:What's Jello doing there? by double-oh+three · · Score: 1

      Because it's not the Ub3r l337 h4x0r convention, it's the hacker convention in the questing for knowlegde sense. Hacking isn't breaking into b0x3n, it's learning everything possible that interests you.

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    2. Re:What's Jello doing there? by bagel2ooo · · Score: 1

      Jello had given a talk at Defcon a couple years back. What with such impositions as the DMCA and the fears we knew from the imposing UCITA and such, I think that it's good for people to learn a lot more awareness and advocacy of the socio-political aspects that are ever so becoming a part of our hobbies/jobs. I've had positions that required a bit of reverse engineering of competitive product, within the confines of the law of course. These limits are becoming ever diminishing. How long will it be before people are unable to do their job out of fear of breaking an injust law? Jello's discussion about becoming the media and keeping up awareness are incredibly pertinent, especially now with the relative cheapness of bandwidth and higher storage capacities to be able to propogate news. The negative publicity shown from the Philidelphia march a few years back was caught on a webcam if I recall and put online which resulted in at least one major news station issuing a retraction. That is what I feel is the importance of Jello's talks at HOPE.

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    3. Re:What's Jello doing there? by mcwop · · Score: 1

      Be funny if Jello showed up in a "Too Drunk To Hack" t-shirt.

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    4. Re:What's Jello doing there? by speaker4thedead · · Score: 1

      He did a great job with the keynote at H2K.

      Listen here.

      The thing I love about Biafra is that whether you agree with his ideas or not, you have to admit that he asks some interesting and important questions.

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  32. Doesn't seem to be hacking by FireFury03 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hmm... looks more like cracking to me...

  33. Indymedia? by SilveRo_kun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Has Indymedia in the past been at Hacker Events?

  34. Wow - two whole years? by sczimme · · Score: 1


    So you've been to school for a year or two and you know you've seen it all?

    Seriously, 2600 has been around much longer than you have, and you don't seem to have much of a clue about it. "Quest for knowledge?" "Questioning things that aren't fair?" Okay, Sparky - run along to your meeting. Your mother will pick you up at the mall at 8:30.

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  35. At first... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I thought "With Woz and Mitnick, why do they need Biafra as keynote speaker?"

    Then I realized "There's always room for jello."

  36. Re:I highly doubt this for this simple reason: by Peyna · · Score: 1

    That and including the fact that most people have incredible difficulty distinguish people of races other than their own. Thus, while it might be possible to determine that someone is from the middle-east; it would be very hard to figure out exactly which country they are from. (Especially since ethnic groups in the area are not confined to country borders).

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  37. why Mitnick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    seriosuly. he is nothing more than a two bit punk (no punintended)
    he may have some credits to his name, but credit card fraud and hitting an agent upside the head with a garbage can is not exactly mad skills.

    he has no class, and his abilities arent anything to get excited about.

    they need to focus on the "other kevin"

    look him up. hes a character.

    1. Re:why Mitnick by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      Poulsen????

  38. Something is missing here by emorphien · · Score: 1

    A conference for hackers? Cool. A lameass, poorly done intro to a website? Uncool.

    That same lameass intro on an intro to a hackers site; bizarre and saddening.

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    1. Re:Something is missing here by telemonster · · Score: 1

      I can understand if your unimpressed with the 25 images one by one chained together, but the actual 5th hope website is short and to the point. The Wiki is useful. Everything doesn't need flash animations. Sometimes a text only useful site is more useful than a flashy clipart cluttered slow flushing turd.

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    2. Re:Something is missing here by emorphien · · Score: 1

      Yeah the site wasn't bad, but the intro was almost too lame, even though it was simple (which is nice).

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  39. Re:I highly doubt this for this simple reason: by Colonel+Cholling · · Score: 1

    Judging by the sheer volume and amount of people in the Bay Area of Asian, Indian, etc. etc. descent who have brown skin, it would seem highly unlikely that Wozniak's son would pick a fight with a random dude and tell him to go back to Iraq.

    You seem to be making the surprising assumption that racism is well-informed. Remember, shortly after September 11, a Sikh from India was beaten and a Syrian Orthodox Church was burned by people who wanted to get revenge against the Muslims and A-rabs. Plus I've seen whites tell Native Americans to "go back where you came from." This doesn't sound unlikely to me at all.

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  40. Biafra? by fishexe · · Score: 1

    I saw the headline and just remembered that my Dad always told me that Biafra was the world's sob spot for a brief time in the 60's (kind of like Somalia in '92...you know, been starvation there for decades, still is, just for a brief while people actually notice) and I guess it's somewhere that's not called Biafra anymore. Don't really know much about it. Just thought it was funny to read the headline and think that was what it was about.

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    1. Re:Biafra? by Hittite+Creosote · · Score: 1
      I guess it's somewhere that's not called Biafra anymore

      Biafra was a short-lived breakaway state in Nigeria, named after the Bight of Biafra. Biafra didn't get the international support it had hoped for, and after three years of war with Nigeria, Biafra capitulated. About a million people died from the fighting and the consequent famine.

  41. (OT)Re:All that's missing is a Phish show by pegr · · Score: 1

    pfeh, that's not punk.

    all my DK is on 2nd or 3rd generation live bootleg cassette tape.


    LOL! Who said I was punk? At the time, I really dug punk chicks, though. Nothing better than some freak chick with low self-esteem... If you don't mind crabs, that is...

    1. Re:(OT)Re:All that's missing is a Phish show by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

      If you don't mind crabs, that is...

      Punk girls in your area didnt shave it all off? :P

    2. Re:(OT)Re:All that's missing is a Phish show by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      You're thinking Goth or Glam.

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  42. Re:Steve Wozniak, Kevin Mitnick, and Jello Biafra by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

    At the risk of destroying your joke, could you explain? I'm racking my brain trying to think of what other "H" you could mean. Is this a PKD reference?

    Hmmmm, OK. Maybe I got it. A club for school age hi tech farmers? Man, that's obscure!

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  43. Can't they get some new blood? by clink · · Score: 1

    Goldstein, Mitnick and Woz? All that's missing is Cap'n Crunch. Good grief. Isn't there anyone doing something NOW instead of these fossils talking about what they did back in the 70s and 80s? Wait, I know go get that guy who wrote the first Internet worm! That'll put asses in the seats.

    1. Re:Can't they get some new blood? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Actually, John Draper is scheduled to give a talk on spam, of all things. His presentation is entitled "Where'd All That Spam Come From?" and it's on Friday.

      Check the speaker list. It's second from the bottom of the list.

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  44. Re:I highly doubt this for this simple reason: by Colonel+Cholling · · Score: 1

    I think that you missed the point; I could easily see that happening in say, Indiana, but... the bay area?

    The Sikh attack to which I referred took place in New York, one of the most ethnically diverse parts of America. The church burning was, if I recall, in a major California city, not sure which one (however, there aren't many Syrian Orthodox churches in America, and few or none lie outside ethnically diverse areas.)

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  45. Re:Steve Wozniack's Son by telemonster · · Score: 1

    How did you know it was his son? Was he wearing a hat that said "S.Wozniak's son" ?

    Or common knowledge around your school?

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  46. Re:Steve Wozniak, Kevin Mitnick, and Jello Biafra by kfg · · Score: 1

    A club for school age hi tech farmers? Man, that's obscure!

    Yeah, that's it. What's even more obscure is that the robot sheep subject I posit coming back to occured in the robot lawnmower thread.

    KFG

  47. 1300 on Friday, Area A by IrishMASMS · · Score: 1
    No, I'll see you there!

    Wireless and WiFi: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
    Dragorn, IrishMASMS, Mike Lynn, Porkchop

    A panel to discuss wireless networking: the basics of 802.11 and current products, along with stories of wardriving and a look at network security. Find out why you should care about your network's security even if you don't think anyone else would take an interest in your traffic. Questions and comments from the audience will be solicited.

    Friday 1300
    Area "A"


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  48. parent is a moron, or a troll by themusicgod1 · · Score: 1

    the grandparent is not offtopic.

    in fact...i've actually heard jello biafra say those words live, come to think of it.

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