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GPS Coke Can X-Rayed
carbolic writes "WiFi-Toys.com and Engadget have posted a link to X-ray images of the GPS Coke can that has security people all up in arms. The GPS Coke can looks a little bit like an IED (improvised explosive device). The PDF file posted on security company Blackwater USA's site shows several views of the can and compares it to an IED. And for thoroughness, the PDF shows a regular can of Coke X-rayed, too."
it may be tinfoil-hat'ist, but couldnt a coke can be a miniture http://www.dirtybombdetector.com/ dirty coke bomb?
Is this actual demolition/weapons/forensic lingo or is this just supposed to sound 'informed'?
Honestly. There are only a few hundred of these, and people are flipping out. Most of the things flying around are totally inaccurate. The cans come in a box, not your typical vending machine. So if companies are really security concious, they'll check employees with coke packs. Seriously though, how many people that work at those "high-level" (sic) facilities, bring 6/12 packs to work everyday.
you do realize this is a contest and not some GPS device being sold.. you find this in your box of coke cans and you win a car or something.. sure the prize money could be spent on other things, but blame the coke company not america
"It may look like a IED to a layman..."
Um so? I imagine a lot of things could look like an explosive to a "Layman". Ever seen the inside of a CRT monitor or a TV? Imagine how much C4 you could hide in that.
This is just plain silly.
Are we moving to a society that fears anything that could potentially look like a bomb to an uneducated twit?
"If I were bound by all laws everywhere I'm sure I would have committed a capital crime somewhere."
America needs to sort out its priorities? Its just a company doing a promotion for its product, now matter how silly the promotion. Besides, its not like the GPS cans that were made could have cost a ton of money.
Ah am not a crook! (\(-__-)/)
now I know what to make my IED look like so it looks like one of those coke cans on an X-ray...that'll help a lot with getting past security...doesn't anyone else think that giving EVERYONE photos of this to make sure you don't confuse one with an explosive is a bad idea? now people that may be interested in building explosives have a design to shoot for...sure that's all tinfoil hat kinda fear, but aren't those the people X-raying cans in the first place?
as the king of prussia you're hardly in a position to criticize others for waste.
I wonder who at Pepsi decided to run this anti-Coke campaign, mixing soda with bombs....
I thought it was a cool idea to have a GPS in there. Guess this took all the fun out of that...Maybe ill get an even bigger surprise when i open my can of Coke tomorrow for breakfast. =P
good political satire
What are they worried about? Can't they just disarm the IED by tapping on the lid?
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You posted a knee-jerk reaction.
What causes starvation and poverty is not the lack of food. There is more than enough food. It is the lack of a free market to transport that food to market efficiently.
In America, we have all kinds of systems to get the food to your dinner plate. These include the food processing and food transporting industries. Just as important is advertising and price setting. by advertising the availability of food, Americans are able to discover the rich variety of foods available.
In Kosovo and other countries, starvation is caused by the lack of a free market. Right now, terrorists threaten any free trade. Just stepping outdoors is risking your life. In other places, farmers are not allowed to grow the foods they want to and sell them at whatever price they want. People are not allowed to traffic in food trade, and are not allowed to build up processing plants to process foods. It is either terrorism, civil war, or bad policy that causes this, but the end result is all the same.
If you would really like to help the Kosovoans, send in some footsoldiers to weed out and eliminate the terrorists. Allow the people a chance to have a free election, encouraging things like civil discourse and not killing the opponent. Stabilize the security of the country first.
Next, you must enact policies that will allow the free market to thrive.
As you can see, whether or not the Coca-Cola company advertises a campaign for a contest has little bearing on the economy in Kosovo. Your comment was not only stupid, it was actually counterproductive.
The radical sect of Islam would either see you dead or "reverted" to Islam.
Anyone care to explain xray photos in full color? In all the images, the PCBs are green, the coke is brownish, etc... how the hell does an xray machine do color? or are they simply colored after the fact for clarity?
It is the lack of a free market to transport that food to market efficiently.
Yes, and do you know who is responsible for that? The US and Europe, with their lavish farm subsidies. If Western nations ever allowed the free market to operate in developing nations, problems with food and poverty in the world would be greatly reduced.
In America, we have all kinds of systems to get the food to your dinner plate.
We also have enormous government subsidies, paid for by tax payers, to keep farmers happy and in business. It may be good for ensuring a reliable food supply domestically (and give the number of wars we fight, not exactly a bad idea either), but it is causing huge economic problems elsewhere.
When I first glanced at the title I thought it said the can was X-rated.
Lots and lots of cars look like the type somebody would make into a bomb including mine. (car bombs are always made out of white vans or white sedans). I think all non bomb devices that look like they _could_ be a bomb should have a sticker on them saying "This device in not a bomb". That way, the security people would have an easier job doing what they do. Whatever that is other than complain.
The promotion with these coke cans is that you get a GMC equinox right? First off, if I had one of these cans, I don't think I'd take a flight and run it through the x-ray machine before I thought about pressing the button to claim my prize. I think as soon as I take this soda out of the package, and see, HEY! I WON MY PRIZE! I'll press the button. Thus, the Coca-Cola Prize Squad will come by, collect my can of technological glory and nicely deposit my newly won SUV. So why would I wanna take my can and run it through the x-ray machine?
Those of you that may think that terrorists could run their "IEDs" through the x-ray machine to get past security. It wouldn't make sense, since the reason I just explained before. If it was REALLY a REAL GPS coke can, it wouldnt be there, since the person would have already claimed their prize as soon as they see it. Thus, it has to be a bomb otherwise.
In other places, farmers are not allowed to grow the foods they want to and sell them at whatever price they want.
We call this place the European Free Trade Area. Farmers are paid to *not* grow food and food is destroyed to stablise prices. OTOH world's largest retail chain Wal-Mart, a non EU company, using it's buying power to dictate (i.e. lower) the wholesale price if it's food supplies. What a complete fuck up. Rich landowners are paid by the taxpayers to have their land lie fallow and those that grow get screwed on the price.
There is a political malcontent being stirred up in the center-right press about the cost of East Europeans gaining access to the social security of the EU as though it will bleed our economy dry. Yet these payments are dwarfed by the payouts in farming subsidy ($6bn of which go to 5 people - yes individuals like the Duke of Westminster!) a subject on which they stay quiet (no surprise).
ssshh don't you know there's a war on
war on drugs, war on terror, whatever happened to peace ?
sigh
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among a few other possibilities. People shouldn't get so excited or blame Coca-Cola when something unintentionally happens to look like something else. I got my bagpack inspected at the airport lots of times, even before 9/11. Sometimes the screeners ask me to turn on my laptop or my cellphone to make sure they function as described. In any reasonable world, the airport will keep the coke can until the winner comes back. Big deal!
But please, don't accuse me of terrorism if I am just happy to see someone!
"With so many people in the world today facing starvation and mass death from lack of nutrition, it literally sickens me to the stomach to see things like this."
A.) Coke != America. It's a company.
B.) Can't fight starvation without a strong economy.
C.) It's one thing to say that corps making a lot of money should donate more, it's another to say they should stop marketing and put the money into other people's pockets. What happens when they grow dependent on it, then the lack of marketing suffocates the source of income?
My post is off-topic, I accept that. It's worth the karma hit to tell you how short-sighted you're being. I don't want people to starve, either. We agree on that point. I agree that more sharing could happen. But, "What will Americans throw money away on next"? Grow up. I know for a fact you don't come from a country that's dedicating all its resources to the rest of the world. Give the USA a little credit, our economy is benefitting a LOT of people & countries through frivilous commercialism. Just ask anybody who thinks we're importing too much.
"Derp de derp."
Just because America isn't feeding them doesn't make it Americas fault they can't feed themselves. Not helping isn't the same as doing harm. Why do americans or anyone else have a responsibility to look after anyome else than themselves? I thought other nations liked being independent from the US.
I do think we can and should feed all the people of the world, because we can. But I do not believe anyone has the right to demand or expect help, or resent others if it isn't forthcomming. Nobody owes you anything just because you need it and they have it.
I am not an american, and I lived below the poverty line in the county I live in for a few years. I have BEEN one of the poor.
What country are you from? What precentage of your country's GNP goes to feed the starving of the world that you have such a right to preach againt another country? How much do you contribute out of what wage? Have you ever not had the cash to buy food?
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." -Plato
Just in case that one breaks, here's another.
It should take the abuse with good humour.
O thanks be to Allah here comes the helicopter to bring me my new SUV. When did Coke start using Apache helicopters? Aiiiiyeeeeeeeeee!
Yeah, we realy should have checked with those other nations before deciding our domestic policies. Shame on us for wanting food if we ever go to war again.
We should try to help other nations feed themselves, not complain that the "scraps" of our economy aren't being distributed evenly enough to feed them. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day etc. etc.
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." -Plato
Coke comes from the behind of a giant slug!
Analogies don't equal equalities, they are merely somewhat analogous.
Most Slashdot users can't wait until the next attck on America so they can further complain about new security measures and policies that follow. This way they can seem educated by using terms like "Big Brother" and "Orwellian". They can blow articles out of proportion- A simple advisory warning that Coke cans may appear to be IEDs will be turned into a thread about how government paranoia is transformed into a thread about how government is taking away all our rights. "What, we can't drink Coke now?!" Of course, they will not offer any credible solutions, but will drone on ad nauseum about Linux and how horrible Microsoft and Windows are. Slashdot- News for paranoid anti-social girlfriend-less obese unkempt megalomaniacs.
This seems to give the X-ray operators the idea that some cans can contain electronics. So all a terrorist now has to do is make his detonator be as neat as the coke can, thanks to the handy photo's and a x-ray operator will think "oh a suspicous thing oh no wait I seen that presentation this is one of them cans no need to check further".
I wonder about the "normal" can x-ray. Why is it all orange? Can x-rays pass through aluminium but not coca cola? For gods sake what have I been drinking all this time that stops x-rays?
So the perfect IED device is a can with a double wall, explosives inside, coke on the outside.
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I can just see it now...
"A passenger was arrested today on board a 747 plane bound for London. The 27-year-old man was detained for possession of possible explosive device, which later turned out to be a Coca-cola can, and disrupting the flight he was on when he started jumping up and down due to the fact that he'd won something when he opened it."
What causes starvation and poverty is not the lack of food. There is more than enough food. It is the lack of a free market to transport that food to market efficiently.
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No, what causes starvation and poverty is the massive agricultural subsidies of the US and EU (which exist to support the inefficient farmers of the first world). Get rid of those subsidies and farmers elsewhere in the world would be able to sell their produce for a reasonable price, standards of living would rise, despair and desperation would fade.
In Kosovo and other countries, starvation is caused by the lack of a free market.
Free market? I'm sorry, but there is nothing free about the dominance of the world's markets by mega-corps supported by their political lackeys. Markets exist to make money for capitalists (that's why it's called capitalism you know).
I'm not sure why I'm even bothering to reply to this post
To some extent, I can see the usefulness of this information. Back in summer of 2000, I was setting up DSL at my new apartment, and my ISP was going to ship the DSL modem to me.
I came home from work one day to find two ambulances, two fire trucks, and a number of police vehicles throughout the fairly spread out apartment complex. Luckily, they were concentrated toward the front while my apartment was near the back of the complex. I was just able to enter my apartment without crossing the lines. On my way in, I asked an officer what was going on, and he said that there was a suspicious package that they were checking out.
After about an hour, a policeman knocks on my door and asks me to come with him. When we arrived at the center of activity, I found out that the postman had delivered my DSL modem to the wrong address. Not only had he delivered it to the wrong address, but he placed the brown box label-side down on the doorstep of a police officer's apartment. The bomb squad did not know what it was after taking the X-rays, so they fired a water bullet into it. When nothing more happened, they decided it was safe and found my address on the package and got me. One of the bomb squad team told me that they were going to circulate the X-rays because they had never seen X-rays of these things before.
When I got back to my apartment I plugged in the modem and everything worked perfectly. The modem had been double-boxed and bagged, and the outer box took the brunt of the damage.
Could someone in the US explain how the panel on the side works? Is it covered up when you buy it or something or do all cans have it?? Otherwise you would be able to find the winner pretty easily!
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An IED is also an Intelligent Electronic Device - basically, equipment with a serial port in it. Commonly used in SCADA systems.
Pretend that something especially witty is here. Thanks.
I don't know about anyone else but stuff using an X-Ray Machine!
As pointed out in the PDF, the MK1 Eyeball can deduce that this is, in fact, a can with a mobile phone grafted into it beacause..... it looks like a can with a mobile phone grafted into it!
Also, wouldn't the fact that the top and bottom are made from a white polymer rather than regular aluminium be a give-away? (Thats for anyone who missed the handset in the side)
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It isn't quite so simple, though -- the western world (not just America -- I'm not an American either) does do harm to poorer countries through farm subsidies and other unfair trade practices. These make it basically impossible for many poor countries to develop a self-sufficient agricultural sector.
I heard Blackwater Co. did a lot of X-Ray training in the Abu Ghraib prison! :)
Good thing it doesn't look like an ICBM to the layperson, or that might really spell trouble!
Poor nations are poor because they don't produce enough for their own needs, or because internal problems are consuming the resources.
How does farming subsidies harm them? Only by makking imports to the subsidising nation less competitive. They don't have a right to sell stuff to the developed nations if the developed nations don't want to buy. Nations do have the right to limit imports and exports. Nobody should force people to trade.
If the trade practices are unfair they shouldn't trade with the US. If I was selling hamburgers for $50 US and wouldn't haggle, would you buy one then complain about unfair trade practices? If you don't think my haburgers are worth the price I'm asking, then don't buy them, I'm not forcing you so go to my competitors or make your own.
All of the US's trade practices are aimed at protecting and growwing their economy. They aren't cheating the developing nations, just dealing sharply. Being mad that they trade for their own benifit is ludicrous. Trading is a for profit activity, and always has been. If it's a bad deal, trade elsewhere. If it's the same everywhere then the first deal was fair market value. If fair market value isn't enough, don't sell. Nobody said you have to buy from or sell to them, so how can it be unfair?
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." -Plato
If someone wanted to kill i think they would mash the coke can into your face rather then create an IED in a coke can.
And if they are terrorists then why not use a mobile phone, or a pager, or an ipod, or maybe put it in a CRT monitor, or speakers, or a joystick or... oh right, this evidently promotes coke and gives the media a shock story.
My bad.
Could you link with more detail on these subjects? Suddenly sounds interesting.
If low U.S. and E.U. food prices are causing poverty in other nations why don't those nations simply not allow the import of U.S. and E.U. food?
It's also causing huge health problems inside your own country. In particular, you eat too much corn :) because growing corn is so insanely profitable with the subsidies.
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The point is they want to integrate into the global economy, but realistically the only thing they can do at this point is mine natural resources and grow food. And subsidies prevent them from selling the food in the USA and EU.
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I just need to get some daughters first, and I need a wife for that.
I have a child and I've never been married...
Is there really no other candidates than GWBush (Skull & Bones) or Kerry (Skull & Bones)?
Kerry will be Bush 3.0, believe it or not.
Is it possible to hyperlink to common sense? I Googled for it, but nothing relevant was returned. Maybe we need to start a SourceForge project.
Absolutely right. A very well-constructed satire. If I had mod points left I'd be modding these as relevant. Since I haven't got any left, I'd hope to jump in and help the fray :)
How is this any different from those novelty coke can telephones and coke can radios. Once the object is hidden inside a hand-luggage bag, what the outer surface looks like isn't going to make any difference to an X-ray machine.
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An actual encounter with something containing an IUD might be shocking to most slashdotters, but think about why you've never seen anything that could contain IUD. The odds are infinitesimal.
Yeah, rightThe only thing an IUD is going to kill is a few million sperm ... but a single man produces enough to fertilize all women in Europe between 18 and 35 . But what if an IED kills HIM !!! *paranoia*
PS: how a "single" man produces sperm is another question altogether....Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur
is to enable those people who encounter such "suspect" cans of soda during their routine X-ray scanning for security purposes to identify them, in order to prevent a false alarm. X-ray operators should now have no need to call in the bomb squad, they can simply confiscate the suspect can themselves, for security reasons, and activate it, for security reasons, and keep the prize themselves.
Strictly for security reasons, you see.
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"Right now, terrorists threaten any free trade. Just stepping outdoors is risking your life."
No, you're thinking of vampires. Vampires are the ones who can't come into your house (unless they're invitited). Regular humans can just break a window and get you whenever they feel like it.
"I am seriosly not intentionally trolling, but America is rich because it is very productive and a shrewd trading nation."
Having a shitload of natural resources and good farming land is a major part of it. All rich nations have mineral wealth and good food production.
"The explosives, packed with explosive charge, contain material throughout the can, but the GPS Cokes are hollow"
---Note to self---
use shape formed plastic explosives in my coke can/beer keg bombs.
Form explosive to leave air-gaps simulating a GPS/Phone enabled coke can.
Blow shit up.
Do these cans weigh as much as a normal one. I would have thought its quite difficult to get them to this could be a really easy way to find the winning can (or have the bomb disposal people blow it up).
I am an Explosive Ordnance Disposal Technition (military bomb squad) and I would just like to add that the Coca-Cola company was very helpful in the disemination of imformation to all security agencies. The device is not a threat, lack of information about this device is a threat.
Yeah, we realy should have checked with those other nations before deciding our domestic policies.
Yes, indeed, we should have. That's not only because it is the just and equitable thing to do (we demand the same of other nations, and it is, in fact, a cornerstone of our trade policy), it is also because it is in our own interest. Even just from a domestic perspective, US agricultural subsidies are economically inefficient.
In the long term, the way our subsidies hold back economic development in other nations comes back to haunts us in the form of unskilled and illegal immigration and terrorism. And eventually, they may make the global free trade system collapse, which would hurt us the most, because we have the most to lose.
Shame on us for wanting food if we ever go to war again.
If you look at the list of nations that have historically attempted food self-sufficiency, I think you, too, will come to the conclusion that that is not a club we want to be part of.
We should try to help other nations feed themselves, not complain that the "scraps" of our economy aren't being distributed evenly enough to feed them. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day etc. etc.
Yes, and that is exactly what we are doing: we are giving "a man a fish", year after year, and we are not teaching him how to fish. In fact, we are blowing up his fishing boat and handcuffing him, which pretty much ensures that he will not be able to fish for himself.
Mostly, because it doesn't really benefit the people who are in power in those nations. And look at what happened when, say, the Iranian people democratically decided their economic "arrangement" with Britain wasn't working anymore and they wanted to nationalize their oil company.
Poor nations are also weak nations. They don't have much of a choice when the US or EU asks them to do something. That's why it's our obligation to be careful what we ask them to do.
In the long run, that's also in our own interest: a world full of a couple of billion poor people with no self-determination and no hope is a recipe for disaster for us.
On another occasion, I was actually arrested at an airport because my keychain had a 2 cm long cheap pistol pendant on it. I am not kidding. This was many years pre-9/11, btw. Those security guys are basically bored, and stupid. Not a good combination.
I mean if turning on your cell phone is supposed to bring down a 120 million dollar airliner (Riiiiiiiiight) then imagine the horror if a few of these babies goes off in planes. Holy pull tab batman!!!!
Ahh.. Blackwater.. a great example of mercenaries at it's finest.. this company's business plan revolves around mass hysteria and making sure people are scared so other people give them money to "protect" them..
utter rubbish.
With the airlines tightening down on baggage limits, why should anyone be bringing a 12-pack of cola with them on a plane? Dose anyone here regularly carry 12-pack boxes of cola on flights? If so, why?
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I'd have to disagree. The point of government in assisting capitalistic societies is to provide local subsidies for necessary/struggling/highly profitable industries. This "free market" you talk about encourages that. The reverse is almost a worldwide version of communism.
As for it being a "just" thing to do (one of your other replies), compare the alternatives. Many people against the world bank think its going to ruin economies by shifting low-cost/low-educated labor around. On the flipside, the US is assisting people that would otherwise die out in a highly-industrialized nation (while keeping local food reserves stable). While I agree that worldwide food supplies could be better managed, I firmly disagree that the farm subsidies are the right way to do it.
And how does the US and European domestical policies affect starving North Koreans? Maybe it's because they have oversized army to feed for such a small country?
Does US and European domestical policies somehow magically alter the weather patterns in famin stricken countries?
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That was brilliantly subtle.
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Yes, indeed, we should have. That's not only because it is the just and equitable thing to do (we demand the same of other nations, and it is, in fact, a cornerstone of our trade policy), it is also because it is in our own interest.
What, you mean how the US insists that others not put up one way trade barriers or they will? Oooh, pretty villinous that. The US trades for their own profit and if other countries don't want to trade with the US they don't have to. The point of trade is profit.
Even just from a domestic perspective, US agricultural subsidies are economically inefficient.
It's not an economic issue, it's a strategic one. We are paying for a strategic advantage with an economic cost.
In the long term, the way our subsidies hold back economic development in other nations comes back to haunts us in the form of unskilled and illegal immigration and terrorism. And eventually, they may make the global free trade system collapse, which would hurt us the most, because we have the most to lose.
The unskilled imagrants the US recieves are common to all richer nations without draconian imagration controls. The only way they'll stop is when the US is no longer better off than most other nations.
The terrorism the US is experiencing is not a result of ecconomic policy. It's because they helped Israel.
The "global free trade system"? The US barely has free trade with Canada and Mexico! Proffitable trade has been coping with much higher tarrifs and fees for hundreds of years, it can cope with the fairly low ones we have now.
Countries like Japan that import raw materials and export finished products more would be far worse off if there was a trade disturbance. The US doesn't need trade to survive. America would suffer, japan might starve.
If you look at the list of nations that have historically attempted food self-sufficiency, I think you, too, will come to the conclusion that that is not a club we want to be part of.
Like who, most of western europe? Their subsidies put ours to shame.
Yes, and that is exactly what we are doing: we are giving "a man a fish", year after year, and we are not teaching him how to fish. In fact, we are blowing up his fishing boat and handcuffing him, which pretty much ensures that he will not be able to fish for himself.
What specific trade practices are you comparing to breaking boats and handcuffing?
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." -Plato
Yeah, I work at a Nuclear Weapons Complex facility and they issued an alert saying not to bring those cases of Coke into the plant in the event it was indeed a winner. Go figure.
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Not that anyone cares, but your post caught my eye because I used to hate Diet Coke too. I thought it was disgusting, and couldn't understand why anyone would want to drink it. But then I started reluctantly sipping it because my wife would always get one at the movies (she's diabetic), and it was easier to just share one between us. I'll be damned if I didn't soon prefer it over regular Coke. Now, when I drink Coke, it tastes like thick sugar water.
I think the reason I used to hate the diet is that I thought it was supposed to taste just like the regular. Well, it's not. Anyway, that's what I drink now, and I'm totally used to it.
TAB is a different story altogether.
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METROPOLIS - The Coca Cola Prize Patrol dispatched to the offices of The Daily Planet where Clark Kent, a long-time reporter at the Planet, found a winning can in one of the office vending machines.
Interestingly enough, Mr. Kent spent $32.50 buying Coca Cola out of one particular machine. When asked why, he said "I had a hunch the can was in there somewhere."
Mr. Kent is donating the proceeds, less $32.50, to the Metropolis Foundation, a charity known for its work helping children in greater Metropolis.
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So how are you going to manage that?
If you look at the X-Rays, the main difference between a real explosive device, and the GPS coke can, is that the GPS coke can just has electronics and batteries.
Simple:
- Use a small detonator, shaped like a battery, in the battery cluster.
- Substitute explosives for coke in the rest of the cans in the 12 pack.
But if I were a security type (especially on a military vessel - and MORE especially on, say, a carrierr) I'd be more concerned about a device composed of a satellite cellphone / GPS system (with custom software and enough batteries to keep it running in bursts for months) than eleven 12-oz cans of plastique and a detonator. Dandy spy tool - tracks the carrier group just by being there, and provides comm for the spy. Plausible denyability, too.
What I'd be more concerned about, with respect to terrorism, is fake "claim the car" cans.
Mossad (Israel's analog of the CIA) has already assasinated at least one Palestinian military leader by swapping his cellphone with tweaked with a hunk of plastique, set up to blow his head off when they called it and he answered. Now we know what the "winning cans" look like.
A terrorist could manufacture look-alikes, full of C4 and set up to blow when you hit the button. MUCH easier and cheaper to design and fabricate (especially for a terrorist operation with a billion-dollar bankroll) than the real ones. Most people coming across one of these when opening a 12- or 24-pack will immediately hit the button to claim the car. BOOM!
A few hundred of these slipped into shipments of Coke delivered to stores on the same day could cause a LOT of death and panic among the authorities before they figured out what was happening and got the word out - espeically if the outside of the can was part of the explosive so it isn't recognizable after, and they'd have to infer what was going on from finding most of the bomb victims in their kitchens near a just-opened 12-pack.
So if I find one of those cans, I'm going to take it out back and rig a jig with a LONG string to push the button from a distance the first time. B-)
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Anyone care to explain xray photos in full color? In all the images, the PCBs are green, the coke is brownish, etc... how the hell does an xray machine do color? or are they simply colored after the fact for clarity?
It's called "false color", and has been used to improve visual display from remote sensing equipment for decades - and manual map making for centuries. (Think of a crop map with each field color-coded accroding to what is grown there.)
You could break the observed density of the material into classes, or X-ray with multiple wavelengths that are absorbed differently by different materials and map the combinations into classes.
Then you assign a color to each class. Even for monochrome density masks, just assigning a different color to ranges of density helps pick out shapes. But if you've got targets that bin into nice like-measureing clusters you can pick colors for each one that look like targets of interest in that bin would look in visible light: Green for fiberglass, dark for metal makes a PC board full of electronics LOOK like PC boards full of electronics. Brown for mostly-water makes cans of water-based drinks look like cola, and so on. This makes them easier to spot, easing operator training requirements and lowering error rates.
A little image processing on neighboring pixels can help you keep contiguous pieces colored the same even with noise and overlapping in the data. More spread-out image processing can help you recognize things like cylindrical objects containing a uniform substance, and give them a density change rather than rainbow mach bands, and so on.
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terrorists for hire. These scumbags are nothing more than agressive thugs for hire. They are mercernaries, plain and simple.
They are reckless vicious cockbiters, who are putting american soldiers at risk. Due to blackwater's role in several civilian massacres, involving using extreme force to quell nonviolent civil disobeidence, these scumfucking shitbags have raised the ante in Iraq, which is why american soldiers and international civilians working in Iraq are facing brutality and beheadings.
Fuck blackwater. Fuck halliburton.
These fuckers are ripping the taxpayer off to extreme levels, are breaking every concievable rule and law imaginable (from rules governing potability of water supplies, cleanliness of food preparation all the way to crimes against humanity, rape and murder), and their employees are either A.) lowlifes who belong in jail or B.) good decent people trying to make a living, who are defenseless and weak, and are hostage fodder.
When these people get killed, especially the mercs, their numbers are hidden, so americans never learn the true cost of war.
Furthermore, there very presence is a slap in the face of every coalition soldier, marine, sailor and pilot serving in the gulf.
Its like working in a big firm, always being praised, and when the big project comes up, your team is supplanted by outside consultants, who get paid 5-10 times more than you, and end up fucking things up so hard that you have to work free nights and weekends, while they are triple billing your boss. You see them send in fake bills, and get paid, and when you call them on it, people brand you a "traitor".
Fuck the mercs. Are we supposed to believe that our military is so incapable of doing its duty that it needs this kind of scum? They kill without conscience, fight without honor, not for love of country but pure greed. This is the result of incompetent regime of bush. These fuckers running around like the armies for hire in "snow crash". Our government is nearly bankrupt because its leaders are the very people who are ripping it off. Companies like halliburton, charging hundreds of dollars for a single gallon of gas, in the very place that shit is made. Its like charging $100 for a gallon of swamp water in the everglades. These fuckers sent our army to battle before they where ready, without sufficient equipment or numbers.
American soldiers are DYING because bush & co. didn't have the time, money or patience to equip their persons or vehicles with sufficient (or any) armor. America has run out of bullets! We fought a war without sufficient ammunition! We had to buy it from Israel! America has run out of CASH! We had to borrow hundreds of millions from Japan and China! But, we have enough money to pay halliburton $50 for a fucking sandwich that's got more fecal matter in it than nutrition, and that don't matter, because they can only get around to giving the average soldier ONE FUCKING MEAL A DAY.
Fuck bush, fuck cheney, fuck their fucking war and fuck companies like BLACKWATER who get rich off it.
Great! Now all I have to do is print this out and take it with me to the grocery store, along with my X-ray scanning system. Then the prize is mine for sure!!
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Senate passed an addendum to PATRIOT act forbidding Coca Cola and other soft drink companies from selling canned soda. Glass containers are still allowed.
Isn't Coke in cans served on Airliners during the flights.... along with your bag of pretzels.....
Holy shit batman!!
~me
On another occasion, I was actually arrested at an airport because my keychain had a 2 cm long cheap pistol pendant on it. I am not kidding. This was many years pre-9/11, btw.
Long before the terrorism scare - in the decades of lull between the insurance bombings and hijackings-to-cuba and the use of boxcutters to hijack planes on 9/11 - I took a cross-country air flight. Unfortunately I had left a pocketknife in my carryon luggage (from a previous trip where it was checked baggage).
The pocket knife was a retracting-shield model (a workaround for anti-switchblade laws), with a shirt pocket clip, about the total length of a pen. They spotted it and had me open the bag for inspection.
I pointed out that it had been at the bottom of a carryon too big to access conveniently inside the plane, so obviously I wasn't trying to use it on the crew. I pointed out that it was of legal length and design, and offered to have them gate-check the bag so it wouldn't be accessable to me on the plane (or could they hold it for me until my return because it was kinda pricey). And I pointed out that I had a non-refundable ticket, so if I missed this plane due to delays could they please let the airline know that I'd missed it because they'd detained me so I wouldn't have to pay full-fare to take a later trip?
The security team didn't want to make a call that might cost somebody official some trouble and/or money, so they called the sherrif's detail. (County airport.) They didn't want to make that call either. Just before the plane was to go they passed me through.
This ended up with me on the plane with the knife in my shirt pocket. So if I'd really been a hijacker it would have been more convenient.
NOWadays they'd probably just confiscate it - and maybe make me miss the plane or bust me for having it if I complained. Hijacking planes with small cutting implements and using them to kill thousands of unrelated ground-dwellers is no longer a theoretical threat, and they've had lots of shaking-out of procedures for handling inadvertent carriers of undesired objects.
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Anyone who takes a look at the PDF will see there's little room for confusion between the can and the example explosives. The explosives, packed with explosive charge, contain material throughout the can, but the GPS Cokes are hollow. Actually I'm disappointed, you win the contest and you don't even get to drink a coke? sheesh.
This one always bit me. Imagine this situation: It's 3am, you're at the office in the middle of a huge upgrade. You dig your pockets looking for change. You find a few coins but you're way too short to buy your coke. You go back to the parking lot in the middle of the night. You dig a few more coins from your coin holder. Still 20 cents away from a coke... You start removing your car seats and find a dime. Cool! Now only 10 cents to go! You go back to the cafeteria but there's not a single soul around. You start looking desperately to the floor but no dimes are around. Eventually, you decide to look under the vending machine and find a glint of promise. You fetch some computer paper and retrieve your precious dime.
The glory of consumerism! To need something and to have the willingness and the money to purchase it! You insert each and every coin into the machine, with the rewarding 'clank' after each coin. You dutifully select the coke button and another 'clank' welcomes the can hitting the bottom of the dispenser. You grab the can, but, hey, there's something not right here! It's too light! It's one of those DARN GPS COKES! OK! You got a gazillion dollars, a private jet and a booby check coming to get you but...
Are they bringing a coke with them?
The really amusing part about those FAA regulations is that they aren't recognized and/or enforced internationally. After flying domestically for many years, I took a flight to Beijing and was shocked to see everyone turning on their phones and making calls while the plane was STILL LANDING.
The plane landed without incident.
Dose anyone here regularly carry 12-pack boxes of cola on flights?
I used to carry large bottles or multiple cans of Jolt Cola on long air flights at one point. I'd be in caffeine withdrawal by the end of the flight otherwise (or strung out from substituting coffee) and couldn't drink ordinary colas due to an allergy to corn sweeteners.
Eventually Jolt switched to corn sweetener, too, I finally switched to commercial diet colas - and cut back on the caffeine. But I still carry a few on, and a sandwich, rather than be at the mercy of the flight's timing of drink and food delivery and food ingredient choices.
Because jolt is hard to find, I'd often carry enough for the far-end stay as well. And because stowed luggage is a pain, for short trips I'd try to do everything carryon. So if Jolt had come in 12-packs, yes, I'd have carried them on at times.
So it's easy for me to imagine other people among the millions of air-travelers - say ones with a strong preference for Coke and a long flight ahead on a Pepsi-serving airline - who might very well tote a 12-pack among their carryon luggage. Or who might not notice, in a rush of packing, that one of the Cokes they stuffed in their bag was a "winning can".
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If you look at the list of nations that have historically attempted food self-sufficiency, I think you, too, will come to the conclusion that that is not a club we want to be part of.
Let me guess: you're all for energy independence, though, so we won't have to keep bothering with Middle Eastern oil.
Why would dependence on foreign food be good and dependence on foreign oil be bad?
It is the lack of a free market to transport that food to market efficiently.
Yes, and do you know who is responsible for that? The US and Europe, with their lavish farm subsidies. If Western nations ever allowed the free market to operate in developing nations, problems with food and poverty in the world would be greatly reduced.
No, what's responsible for that - in Kosovo at least - is the UN's arms embargo. By disarming everybody who wasn't supported by an outside group (typically a large country), they left them at the mercy of those who WERE supported by such powers, and who wanted to eliminate them. Thus starvation, and genocide.
That's one special case. But there are plenty of other special cases.
For instance: Iraq under Sadam. Turns out (as siezed documents show) many of the high UN officials - and high officials from various UN member countries - were on-the-take from the Oil-for-Palaces program - whose gravy train ended with the invasion. For over a decade the UN stood by while Sadam slaughtered Iraqui citizens - and many of the members opposed the invasion right up to the end (then made nicey-nice to join in on the reconstruction gravy-train once the bribes stopped flowing). Any bets on how much of that was due to bought politicians rather than principled opposition?
Or take Biafra: Millions starved into death or plague, or masacred (with MACHETTIES - who needs guns?) because disarmament rendered them helpless before organized military opposition.
Starvation doesn't come from "greedy corporations" "wasting money". They'd LOVE to feed the world - they'd make MORE MONEY that way!
Starvation comes from government and proto-government intervention, through misguided policies or outright planned genocide.
The solution to genocide is allow the potential victims - which means EVERYBODY - to arm themselves for their own defense. The solution to starvation is to eliminate the governmental obstacles to people feeding themselves, whether by raising their own food or earning enough after-confiscation cash to buy it from others.
And the obstacle to both is governmental force, implemented either by malicious people or people too ignorant or stupid to understand that the SECOND-order effects of government programs often completely swamp and reverse the expected FIRST-order effects.
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But you already have 4 of them, Danny!
What, you mean how the US insists that others not put up one way trade barriers or they will? Oooh, pretty villinous that. The US trades for their own profit and if other countries don't want to trade with the US they don't have to. The point of trade is profit.
But not at any cost. Many of the nations we are talking about aren't even democratic, so the US isn't trading with the people of those nations, it is trading with a bunch of thugs that hold those nations hostage. Sure, one can make a lot of money trading with thugs, but that doesn't make it ethical or legal.
Furthermore, other countries have given the trading system the US effectively initiated a chance; if, after a few decades, it doesn't work, they may well not want to continue with it. The loss will be primarily to the US, because the others don't have that much to lose.
It's not an economic issue, it's a strategic one. We are paying for a strategic advantage with an economic cost.
Accumulating too many strategic advantages is something other nations are likely wary of, and eventually, they may act on that.
The unskilled imagrants the US recieves are common to all richer nations without draconian imagration controls. The only way they'll stop is when the US is no longer better off than most other nations.
My point exactly. And that should preferably happen by making other nations better off. But if the US doesn't work towards making other nations better off, it will happen when the US sinks to their level.
The terrorism the US is experiencing is not a result of ecconomic policy. It's because they helped Israel.
Israel is just an excuse. If those nations were democratic and their citizens well-off, they wouldn't give a damn about Israel or the US.
Like who, most of western europe? Their subsidies put ours to shame.
I included the EU in my criticism. But the EU at least isn't naive enough anymore to think they can become self-sufficient. The last major European nation to think that was Nazi Germany.
What specific trade practices are you comparing to breaking boats and handcuffing?
Killing the domestic agricultural base of developing nations with subsidized food products, making those nations dependent on expensive US chemical and seed products, and keeping dictatorships in power because they suit our economic interests, just to name a few.
Countries like Japan that import raw materials and export finished products more would be far worse off if there was a trade disturbance. The US doesn't need trade to survive. America would suffer, japan might starve.
Japan isn't foolish enough to try isolationism, so it isn't an issue for them.
I think you also underestimate how dependent the US is on the rest of the world. US industry would collapse without cheap oil from the middle east. Worse, however, the US economy and government function only because of huge influxes of money from overseas. US wealth is a complete illusion, financed by borrowing from the rest of the world.
"You fetch some computer paper and retrieve your precious dime."
You speak as if you have had experience fetching money out from under vending machine using computer paper?
This statement is forty-five characters long.
We also have enormous government subsidies, paid for by tax payers, to keep farmers happy and in business. It may be good for ensuring a reliable food supply domestically (and give the number of wars we fight, not exactly a bad idea either), but it is causing huge economic problems elsewhere.
Huh? How are our farm subsidies causing problems abroad? U.S. Farming is way outside my realm of knowledge, but it seems obvious being sure we're able to produce our own food is quite necessary.
In fact I've been worrying a bit lately that we're migrating too much to a service economy and moving more and more production and manufacturing out of the country; we need the ability to produce our own goods, too.
What about Japan, or hong kong, or taiwan? Most western european nations have pretty much mined out the easy mineral veins and cut down many of their forests but they're ok. You can make good farming land as long as you have water.
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." -Plato
Wait... The military uses SCO technology?
You can mod your friends, you can mod your nose, but you can't mod your friend's nose.
And how does the US and European domestical policies affect starving North Koreans? Maybe it's because they have oversized army to feed for such a small country?
Probably. And what point are you trying to make?
Does US and European domestical policies somehow magically alter the weather patterns in famin stricken countries?
Well, yes, they do, that too (global warming), but that's not what we are talking about here.
What we are talking about here is that they do hinder economic development and they raise the cost of food production in famine stricken countries. As a result, those nations have larger populations and produce less food than they otherwise would, and that is where famine really comes from.
I think you might have meant IED, but I agree with the rest of your posting...
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Let me guess: you're all for energy independence, though, so we won't have to keep bothering with Middle Eastern oil. Why would dependence on foreign food be good and dependence on foreign oil be bad?
Because creating or preventing dependencies just shouldn't be our policy goal--our policy goals should be oriented towards development, progress, and fairness. And, generally speaking, fair trade and open markets help with that (they don't always and they need to be regulated, but not for a one-sided advantage).
In the case of Middle Eastern oil, we subsidize the auto industry and we subsidize undemocratic foreign regimes. If we charged for gas and oil what they actually cost and let the Middle Eastern nations do whatever they want to do politically, we'd get energy independence in a heartbeat.
In the case of food, we subsidize domestic agricultural producers, for a variety of reasons, including a misguided attempt at food self-sufficiency. That causes big economic problems in nations whose major form of export could be food but isn't. It also causes mass migration from, say, Mexico to the US.
So, the underlying problem is that we distort the market, which happens to have two different consequences for the two kinds of goods.
Note, incidentally, that we are trying to achieve energy "self"-sufficiency, basically by turning various oil producing nations into political client states.
In general, dependence on other nations is probably a good thing, simply because it creates a common interest and leads to cooperation, but dependencies among nations should arise naturally when they make economic sense--they should not be artificially created or prevented.
In the NK example, the point I'm trying to make is it doesn't matter how much food a country has if it makes feeding the military and party leaders a higher priority then feeding the rest of the population.
You still didn't explain who US and European economic policies create famine. Did you know that, famines existed well before US and EU were formed?
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BUSH: Those dirty commies! I wish I could nuke them today. They all suck.
CHENEY: Have you ever thought of using Global Warming to destroy them?
BUSH: How will raising global temperatures a few degrees over the next one hundred years eradicate our enemies?
CHENEY: See, there you go again, thinking. You shouldn't do that, you know.
BUSH: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make you unhappy.
CHENEY: That's okay, I forgive you... this time. But to answer your question, our research indicates that raising the global temperature just a fraction of a degree can start a new ice age and turn North Korea to a desert, all at the same time!
BUSH: What about the report that said that global warming does nothing?
CHENEY: Oh, that's hogwash. We whitewashed that until you could barely see the ink on the paper. Anyway, how about we get started?
BUSH: What do I do?
CHENEY: First, we need to raise oil prices...
The radical sect of Islam would either see you dead or "reverted" to Islam.
Well, we are moving to a society of uneducated twits. So I'm not surprised at all.