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FCC Says TiVo Owners Can Share Shows
Ec|ipse writes "Last week TiVo received alot of heat from MPAA and NFL for a proposal regarding sharing of recorded shows with users, see previous story.
Today it looks like TiVo has received approval." From the Reuters story as carried by Yahoo!: "TiVo, maker of popular digital television recording devices, on Wednesday received approval for technology that would permit users to send copies of digital broadcast shows over the Internet to a few friends."
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now about this RIAA mob...
I am always skeptical of how this will play out in the long run, but this looks like it could have a significant impact in returning fair-use rights to consumers.
I would love to know how this might act as a precedent for computer-based sharing methods... i.e. recording a show with BeyondTV or another PVR and emailing it to a friend.
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now hopefully they can be shared over p2p as well. same concept, different deployment.
Amen.
But if JJ jumps up during half time and does a strip tease to some Willie Nelson song, can the RIAA sue the sh*t out of America?
This will last a few days untill the waves of lobbyists show up and the FCC and demand a better return on investment.
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I have heard rumors about PMP (personal/portable media players) being able to hook up to the TIVO, and then you can watch it anywhere. If this would allow it, I think it would be great for Tivo, so anyone can use it to watch their favorite show anywhere.
I'll be more impressed if they can be uploaded freely as a standard file without any of this password nonsense, but this is still much, much, much better than caving to the football lobby.
I mean.. I know "airing regional games outside of their market" is dangerous to the fabric of society and capitalism as a whole, but I'd like to send 'Office Space' to my sister. It seems wrong for an office worker to have never seen that movie.
I was hoping someone had a link to the FCC complaint page where I can report problems with my local cable company and its stance on DVRs and firewire-outputs. Basically they are not complying with rulings and I'd like to put some heat on them.
Legal filesharing at last!
The End is near!
Long gone are the days of law makers stomping on the face of the digitally inclined.
So long 50 year copyright act!
so long DMCA!
So long RIAA lawsuites!
Ok..maybe im a little optimistic.
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At least until the corporations lobby and buy a change of decision from the FCC.
While this is a win for fair use rights (although it could sanely be argued it goes beyond fair use, I'm not going to be the one doing the arguing), it goes without saying that the MPAA and friends will not take this sitting down.
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if I only have implied oral consent..but not expressed written consent?
Seriously, it's about time some reasonable (semi)decisions came down.
"God's machine"?
Oh yeah, here's the link. What does this prove?
Lets hear it for, uhm, more than fair use. So are we liking the FCC this week now or what?
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
Does this mean some idiotic corporate plot failed ? In all seriousness did we actually win one here? There has to be a catch....
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Maybe this means http://www.planetreplay.com/ can allow people to share shows from their ReplayTV's again.
It's not at all the same concept. TiVo2Go is like iTunes; you can only share among computers registered with the same account.
Now i can complete my futurama collection :)
How are they going to limit sharing to "Just a few friends" i wonder...
Enter: Microsoft DRM
Anybody remember the ReplayTV 4500 and 5000 series? They both allowed show sharing. It was a major selling point for ReplayTV, in fact. They were sued by Disney and a few other broadcasters to stop show sharing (as well as an automatic commercial skip feature). There was even a limit on the number of times you could send a show (five times). Does this ruling mean that TiVo cannot be sued and that ReplayTV can reintroduce the feature?
Legit bittorrent downloads? Sounds cool, but I wonder how long it'll last (TV shows to DVD is a lucrative market, and I doubt studios like the idea of competing with downloads). There's bound to be some limitations (I'm at work and too lazy/busy to read the whole article just yet), but still, I just can't believe this is happening. How did this get through?
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I like it when they mentioned a few friends... How do you define a few friends?
:-
Just wondering.. What's stopping me creating a website with user registration and all
Register here to become my friend.. - link
After that, all my friends can download and share between each other my digital tivo content via a medium.. say.. Bittorrent?
I mean, why start/stop at register to become friends? Why not, by visiting this webpage, you're my friend, therefore, I'm letting you having a go at my collection... No registration required...
Cool!
Regards all...
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Is this in the FCC's jurisdiction? They are in charge of regulating the airwaves of the United States. Once you've received a digital program over the air, does the FCC have any more authority to tell you what you can do with the copyrighted product that they don't even have the rights to distribute?
I'm just asking...
I was going to share them anyway.
Once it is in my posession, it is my property and I will do with it exactly as I please. Piss on what someone else says.
1. There's no way that this is gonna last.
2. This is going to be used by current Usenet, BT and Kazaa-based sharers as justification for their broad distribution of TV shows (don't get me wrong; I download TV, but I wouldn't justify it like this).
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I am always skeptical of how this will play out in the long run, but this looks like it could have a significant impact in returning fair-use rights to consumers. ... I would love to know how this might act as a precedent for computer-based sharing methods.
You know that this will be appealed to the powers-that-be who will smack-down the FCC, yet again. It's the kind of news that gives you hope, just before your cynicism of the system is reinforced.
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So does this mean this is a "love the FCC" day, or do we still get to hate them?
I am currently located here in the lovely city of Cheney, which happens to be hosting the Seattle Seahawks training camp.
The other day, as my roommate and I walked past the practice field (paid for by my tax dollars!) I mentioned that the goings on with Tivo and the NFL were really getting on my nerves (as I am highly supportive of my right to sit around and stare at the glowing picture tube.)
An eery silence descended upon the land.
A giant of a man, who stood 6 foot 6, weighed 245 (at the least!) looked at me and asked if I might happen to be "that commie nerd, CmdrTaco", who I bear a striking resemblence to. Of course, I am but a humble code monkey and part-time troll, and so replied that I was not, nor had ever been, a commie nerd taco. He became enraged, and I feared that he would pummel me senseless for my insolence.
Luckily, a giant dust storm swept me away.
They even caught it on camera; NWCN I believe.
Now, for the meat of my post- can somebody get me out of this tree before this guy turns off his wireless router or my laptop dies? SCO Unix doesn't manage power very well.
You just need a ReplayTV and the ability to type poopli.
I think what just occured there was a Freudian slip, and your subconcious was acknowledging that there is, in fact, no god.
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Let's just remember that the Supreme Court sided with Sony on the famous Betamax case that allowed VCRs/VRTs in the first place.
Also, if there wasn't some type of DRM here they wouldn't have gotten certified.
But if they hadn't granted some type of certification they would have run afoul of the Betamax ruling...
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Tag one on for the good guys... I just about shit my pants when i saw the headline!
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Why doesn't someone hook up analog cable to a bunch of these new Interet-aware Tivos and rent out the "friends" list for a monthly fee online. Each person gets a time share of when they want to watch a show and the machine will record it for them and broadcast it on the internet at their convenience. For $25 a month I'd like to watch all the shows I would otherwise miss.
Is there even ONE NFL game worth the bandwidth?
I've been chewing on this for a while..
I know it's legal for me to tape a TV show from the air onto VHS, DVD, or TiVo myself. I suspect it's probably legal for me to, say, loan the VHS tape to a friend so he/she can watch it as well. And now, obviously TiVo owners can send each other episodes they recorded.
How is this all different than downloading a TV episode of a p2p network? I think I remember hearing of people getting DMCA notices for doing exactly that.
Anyone know where the line is in this case?
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Now when is that darn TivoToGo coming? is this the start of it... please let me take that shite with me when I travel
This will last until someone get sued, and the case is taken to the Supreme court. It works the same way with legislation. Remember, this is FCC regulation, that doesn't mean it is final. The FCC is as wishy washy as all get out. Remember these are the Same folks that just said they were going to Regulate Violence on TV. Let us not lose track of the way Regulation and FCC have worked together. How bout them Analog Airwave Rights passing to Public Access?
Now they are going to the highest bidder, once the Broadcasting corporations decide to grudgingly let loose of them.
Still I am glad to see they are hanging themselves out there for the little guy, for once. (at least for NOW)
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Tivo is nice, but ReplayTV is better. I use Pooli.com to share shows all the time with people all over the net. I've been using DVArchive to store shows on my PC's drive and burn to DVD for a long time. If you get the 5040 or 5080, Commercial Advance is fully operational and works great. As far as I know, none of this stuff is going to change for the ReplayTV.
Il just share all my favorite ppv movies with all of my "friends" around the world.
Read The Fucking Article.
The Federal Communications Commission voted to certify digital protections on TiVoToGo, which is not yet available but would enable a user to record and send a digital broadcast television show to up to nine others who have been registered on that person's service and has been given a key to see it.
How did the parent get modded up as interesting??
i hope that we can do with our (direc)tivos what replay's have been able to do for so long, which is send the stream to your computer by faking the tivo into beliving your computer is another tivo :). This would allow for archival of your shows onto DVD easily :).
has been able to do this for quite some time via it's frontend/backend style setup. all you need to do is have a friend with a mythtv frontend or backend and have one of either or both yourself and you can watch the other persons shows over the internet.
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As you said, the FCC regulates broadcasters, but TiVo boxes are not broadcasters. The FCC is trying to unilaterally expand their jurisdiction to cover receivers as well.
Now, all I have to do is find someone that lives in the area of my favorite football team. Have them record the game being broadcast on their local TV station (CBS or FOX).....shoot it over and I just saved $219 from buying the NFL Sunday Ticket.
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with all the product placements in Movies and Tv shows, why bother with television ads? the more the show is shared, with proper product placement, you get more exposure of your product, to your target demographic.
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Since these shows were broadcast to the public, who can record them, it only makes sence to allow sharing.
Sharing the copy of the broadcast would be no different then both people recording them on their own.
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There's one big point that a lot of people seem to be missing:
The fact that TiVo even had to ask the FCC in the first place.
The assumption being that the FCC has some say over whether or not your hardware has the capability to send bits over the wire. Note that it's not whether or not you can send the bits over the wire, but your hardware. The first is behavior potentially regulated by the Constitution, the second is simple innovation.
Yes, the FCC was nice. But it's crazy that TiVo had to ask in the first place. Don't forget that.
-jdm
The FCC also ruled that Bono could say "fuck" on TV. A few weeks after Ms. Jackson exposed her tit, the FCC changed its mind.
The FCC WILL change its mind once networks start throwing their weight around. Heck, even the movie and music industries will get involved with this one. No copyright holder likes sharing without explict and paid permission.
If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
Quality over Quantity.
I'm sure all you Tivo lovers in the US are aware that we don't get it here in Canada, but one glaring omission is starrring me right in the eyes. If I take any TV and just plug it into a wall outlet and fire it up, I'll get free TV. Granted, it's not cable, but it's free. If I Tivo'd these shows, shouldn't I be able to distribut them to anyone else who's just bought a TV and plugged it in also? How would anybody lose money from this? Wouldn't I just be propogating the show itself and getting it to more users on their behalf? A D M
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When a decision is made that favour our aims, then we can express approval. When a decision is made that denigrates our aims, we should isapprove and express our disapproval. This is not "hate". This is free speech. Think of it as democracy in action.
That said, "Only in an election year will they toss the geeks a bone."
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Not sure, but figure my Series 2 Tivo for direcTV is in the cold on this one. When I got word that Tivo was releasing the former "add on" network functions, I learned that my Tivo did not have the USB ports activated, and neither DirecTV nor Tivo had any word on plans to release "firmware" to activate them.
DirecTV Tivo with 2 tuners rocks, but this might be the final straw to get me back on cable.
but this was a dead duck even before the FCC's blessing. At least that's how it looks to me. This thing is DRM encumbered to the point of major inconvenience for consumers. It's just another great feature that got butchered by DRM.
TV shows are broadly distributed as it as, so I don't see the harm in spreading them a small bit farther. The worst that can happen is that the shows are sent to someone who wouldn't normally be able to access them (like someone whe *gasp* has only two or three channels), and even then there isn't too much damage.
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READ THE ARTICLE, ASSFUCK. IT TELLS YOU THE LIMITATIONS.
No shit, huh?
Yours or the mods?
The only thing that I can see being a serious issue is that of Nielsen ratings. If there is the chance that people are going to watch these shows after the fact and as such cannot be caught by the Nielsen rating system, then would this hurt the broadcaster?
Just a thought...
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As part of a settlement, ReplayTV removed this feature from its current 55xx series boxes. I wonder if they will be able to put it back? My ReplayTV model 5040 has always had this feature, but admittedly, I have never actually used it...
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This is one of those rare moments where sharing digital files has been deemed ok. It's little steps like these that will help a good legal team (someday) put an end to this digital prohibition era.
I don't see how this will really work. All the NFL would have to do is enable the broadcast flag, and TiVo, (I'm assuming they would be compliant) wouldn't allow transfer because of the Broadcast Flag. The industry would simply say, "Sure, implement all the sharing technology you want...as long as it's Broadcast Flag aware."
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DRM will keep your shared programming to a max of 9 good friends.
So I wonder what will prevent people from auctioning off their "friendship" on eBay? Yes, you can be my friend for an opening bid of only one dollar... did I mention that I have the entire collection of the Simpsons episodes? (Feel free to substitute some other show in this example with one of greater rarity but narrower appeal).
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