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LG Flatron 2320A 23" LCD Media Station Reviewed
Julio writes "TechSpot has taken an in-depth look at LG's Flatron 2320A 23" LCD, you should know however that calling this a monitor would be an understatement, this is a multi-media workstation. The package consists of a 23" widescreen LCD color monitor, and a multi-media station that lets you connect its beautiful flat screen to your PC and a number of devices at the same time (X-Box, etc.). Feel yourself warned though, luxury does come at a cost."
wtf
What's better...
Flatrons
Sex with a mare
The review sucked and is not worth reading. This guy is obviously trying to just make money off of advertising to a slashdot-sized audience. Do a whois on techspot.com..
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How about we call it a TV? OK, a tv plus a breakout box that can do some cool stuff. Sounds better than the MediaMVP, but not that much.
I'd like to make a suggestion that you have timecop running for the U.S. presidency and flood Slashdot with political ads and announcements for his campaign. Thanks.
Vote for the GNAA party!
Why do the televions keep getting better and better but there's still nothing ON?!?! I have a 30 hr tivo and haven't had more than 2 hrs on it in over a year!!!
when they ban enctryption only criminals wi$21*J *#JF$%!@#$':
Beats the heck out of this stuff
Why has it taken so long to get decent pixel depth on LCD monitors when it's been available in laptops for some time now?
You would think the guy would be smarter than to choose the handle "Julio" before pulling this.
it's an awesome monitor. some people will buy it.
having moved to brazil, the perspective for everything changed.
i see from here a vast need for lower costing, not higher featured, everything.
YMMV, my 2 cents, etc
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Here's a price comparison among different vendors, non of whom have it in stock http://shopper.cnet.com/LG_Flatron_L2320A_-_flat_p anel_display_-_TFT_-_23/4014-3174_9-30536226.html
This is a korean company that I am a HUGE fan of. I had a phone of theirs about 4 years ago and I tell ya, better quality, better software, logical thought is put into all their products. I absolutely LOVE LG. I hate to be a fanboy to a company but after buying some of their products, I cant help but be a fan.
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You can get a 20" dell 2100FP that has 4 inputs with one button switching between them(1 DVI, 1 VGA, 1 s-video and 1 composite) AND it supports PIP. Seems like a better price/performance ratio to me. Though that thing that Julio is pimping is widescreen, still doesnt seem worth it.
1.) imagine a bewolf cluster of these...
2.) mmmm life sized porn
3.) Generally the problem is that the TV signal is not worth watching.
4.2)Slashdot : Commercials for nerds, it's money that matters.
8. Yes, I should probably learn to count.
2.) Gamers, what about reviewers of *ahem* adult entertainment material?
Laugh, your boss is behind you...
It's similar to many of the old 2-D models still available, but inventories have been stretched awfully thin.
I'd love to see what one of these looks like on the inside, once you open it up.
who should GW go after next?
GNAA
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i finally registered after a year of reading this site.... wtf is the deal with all of these ads coming to this site, i have become very disgruntled, please come back slashdot of old
you can get a 20' mac screen
or a 17' screen with a complete G5 included...
http://store.apple.com/
Seems like a better deal to me
Having moved to Africa the perspective for everything changed
Unlike Brazil where you could use a normal monitor that already costs less than $50 the lack of desk space in Africa makes a sub $10 LCD a necessity
the moron never once mentions ghosting which is the most important aspect of lcd's for games. what a retard..
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All this talk about 232 and no serial port? I'm calling the ftc..
This guy is amazing. Not only can he hit .300 at 46 years old, he some how finds the time to edit a crappy tech website.
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Julio Franco is amazing! Still playing baseball at age 46, and yet he finds the time to get into home entertainment too??
Um, yeah, you did.
LG is the OEM manufacturer for Apple's LCD displays, so this is the same as the 23 inch cinema display, just check the specs.
Hah, we both got modded offtopic for the same joke at the same time. I thought it was a pretty good joke... I take it the mods are not baseball fans ;)
Agree with the other comments that the review isn't worth reading.
I certainly believe that at this price point, LG is going to make an excellent display. They are a reputable company.
However, the reviewer has no clue what he's talking about.
He's obviously never used an LCD panel before, as all he compares the monitor to is 'his old crt'. He notes that colors seem a bit faded compared to a CRT, which IMO, is simply the result of using the wrong ICC profile, though I will agree that the gamma / color range of an LCD panel is often not as good as that of a CRT (especially a high-end CRT, though those will cost you about as much as this beast would)
That being said, it's cool, I like it, and if I were looking for the world's most expensive 23" TV and could actually afford it, I'd buy it. From the review, it looked like you could hook 3 PCs + a number of AV components to it. It's a nice substitute for a KVM for people like me who use a mac, but keep a PC hooked up for the few programs I run that aren't Mac-native.
Still.... it's expensive... a point he doesn't really cover in the review. But, yes, I also believe that this product is probably the best in its class just by looking at the feature list.
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That's the best you can do? I found a picture of the guy for you.
For 3 inches less you can get one with a computer inside, and you save ~$500: iMac
I suggest you read Slashdot
http://www.apple.com/displays/specs.html
Exact same lcd panel in a much cooler case for a few hundred less.
Like a girl named Veronica with small breasts?
ya, the review sucks. He doesn't even crack the case open. Nice box, but come on.... 2,500 for a multimedia station with no network connection???
The reason for 1920 x 1200 (or even multiples thereof) is it will do full HDTV with no resizing or interpolation (best viewing) assuming you set it for proper letterboxing to 1920 x 1080 in HDTV mode.
I assume in the not too distant future WQUXGA will be sub $1000 and common. Fonts are hard to read already at WUXGA. Above this (for now) this stuff is more for digital photography and medical imaging.
But I still want one.
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you place larger screens farther away from your eye. if you had a 23" at 2300x1725, you'd be switching resolution to lower settings just to be able to see anything, which sort of defeats the better res in the first place.
Cool, this "monitor" I just bought (Dell 2001FP if anyone cares) is actually a "Media Station" just like this one! Apparently all it takes to earn that status are multiple inputs (S-SUB, DVI-D, Composite, S-Video) and a couple USB ports. Check and check.
Oh shit, mine didn't come with a big hulking box with its own fan. Or a remote to turn it off. Did you see that the VCR buttons only work with LG VCRs? Watch me sob in the corner, for I have buyer's remorse.
Wow, it even has a 'no function' button on the remote, these guys thought of everything!
(page 2 of the article, on the diagram of the remote)
WOW One of the first times I can tell people DON'T RTFA
Great minds think alike.:) Anyway I still think its funny but I should have known better than to try a sports joke at /.
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Google's policies are essentially no different than the policies of Microsoft, Yahoo, Alexa and Amazon. However, these others have been spelling out their nasty policies in detail for years now. By way of contrast, we've had email from indignant Google fans who defended Google by using the old privacy language -- but while doing so they arrived at exactly the wrong interpretation of Google's actual position! Now those emails will stop, because Google's position is clear at last. It's amazing how a vague privacy policy, a minimalist browser interface, and an unconventional corporate culture have convinced so many that Google is different on issues that matter.
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i've samsung 240T. 24" 1920x1200
b 2c _product_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=NB24BSAB&selTab =Specifications
i've bought it on ebay for $2k
it cost less and offers much better pixel response time.
http://www.samsungusa.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/
PS: you definitely need good NVIDIA DVI card.
analog input works bad, only DVI can produce stable picture, actually the same apply for almost any 1600x1200 monitors
i read the slashdot story, i read the linked story, and i read the name as flatiron. i figured, hmmm, what a weirdly retro name for an lcd.
apple cinematic 23" $1,999
Sony 23" LCD $2,429
BTW: the resolution (1920x1200) is enough for HDTV.
I'm using the Apple 23" to type this. The real estate is great, but I miss the viewing angle of a CRT - viewing angle begins to matter when the display is that wide.
....did this POS qualify for an article? I've seen more informative, less self-serving tripe lining the cat litter pan. I've submitted better to /. only to have it rejected and pop up 2 days later when someone else submitted it. Excuse me?
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we used monocrome 12" CRT screens and thats the way we liked it
That was my initial thought when I went laptop shopping a few months ago. All the laptops with nice, large screens are now widescreen.
You'd be surprised at how nice widescreen is, though. At work, on my 1600X1200 LCD, I can run two browsers side by side by shrinking the width of one window slightly; but I'm out of luck if I want to run an IM window, a monitoring window, an xterm, or show portions of my desktop (for gdesklets) at the same time. With the 1900X1200, you can run two 800X1200 windows side by side and still have room for either some desktop space, an IM window, or gkrellm. This gets VERY addictive.
Especially after it was modded interesting, to +3
That's weird.
This thing is speced at 25ms response time. Games and intensive graphics animation would be a complete blure on this thing.
Well, actually, it seems to be the _old_ 23" Apple Cinema Display, connection-wise (it may use the same LCD panel as the newer one, or not; the two have different specifications). The power/data cable that connects the "media station" to the display is nothing else but the Apple Display Connector - you can see it at the top of the pictures; it looks like a DVI-I connector with six additional pins: two for power (DVI already provides power, just not enough), three for USB, and another (not sure whether Apple's "LED" or "Soft Power" = DVI's "Hot Plug Detect"). Apple's latest displays went back to using DVI directly, with separate USB/FireWire connections.
Pretty cool that LG is reusing the stuff they developed for Apple, though.
Did anyone notice they said the max resolution on DVI was 1600x1200 and not 1920x1200, thereby either wasting space or haveing a 4:3 image stretched? DVI is really the only way to go with a high end monitor like that, especially at that resolution. Analog-ing it would almost be a waste.
I didn't see any special clarification on the LG website specs, I wonder if he got it wrong or that monitor is really crippled that way.
I've got a Samsung 213t 21 inch LCD, and I love it. I have an LG fridge, and I love that too.
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ooooh aaaah, nice stuff is expensive. Big deal. Typical Slashdot-crap articles.
I thought it was a dang hilarious joke!!
"It seems that we are at the age where life stops giving us things, and starts taking them away..." Indiana Jones
You complain that the owner of this site (apparently) posted this story to Slashdot, I wonder isn't he on his right to do so?
I think the article is a good read.
IT would be nice to think that everything could be really cheap, but that's just not how it works. Things cost money to produce, many things cost quite a bit. I doubt that you could even get a POS LCD down to the $50 mark when you realise that the manufacturer, distributor and shop all need to make money.
If you've an idea as to how to make LCDs for a retail price of $50/each, then lets hear it.
...all I have is vacuum-tube Fatron monitor which takes up most of my desk.
... is a 17" LCD with DVI-D and S-Video inputs, and =16 ms response time, for under 600 EUR.
;)
I'm a student and rarely stay more than a year at the same place. I'm considering ditching my PC laptop for a 12" Powerbook + PS2 combo (unless you can find a GTA:SA and a Gran Turismo 4 Mac port), but I've failed to find a suitable monitor for both the PB and the PS2.
What I don't want:
having to carry an extra TV set just for the PS2.
having to bow to the TV licensing fee racket just to play a PS2 game.
having to use a VGA adapter for the PS2 - unless you know one that does not suck.
What I want:
a 17" LCD. Size matters, especially in dorms and when you're moving often.
a decent response time to play.
DVI input.
price tag in the 500-600 EUR range.
I have found LCDs with an S-Video input, but no DVI-D input. And their response times sucked more often than not. Am I stuck to the PC? I bet the first manufacturer to solve this problem would attract a lot of students.
Or do you know about an alternative that I might have missed?
OK, I learned what CGA, EGA, VGA, and SVGA meant. I started to to get a little fuzzy starting with SVGA and XGA. And anything beyond SXGA is pure fog to me.
And now we're up to WQUXGA? Ack. Who or what industry consortium is thinking these up?
I'm glad people like DumbSwede are also mentioning the actual resolution as well. But isn't that a sign that the acronyms have now become nearly useless?
Becuase, at the end of the day, all I care about is the actual resolution (in pixels), the size, and the contrast ratio. XSVUQGA doesn't tell me anything. (*)
(*) Yes, I made that up, but someone will pick a resolution for it sooner or later.
IMO widescreen browsing is a waste. Most web pages are limited in how much screen real estate they will use. A 1900 pixel wide web browser window will be 50% blank much of the time.
I recently got a fancy Dell flatscreen display. You can physically rotate it 90 degrees to portrait mode. This is perfect for web browsing. Web pages are tall and narrow. I can see an entire Slashdot or Google News page at a glance.
For watching movies, and maybe some games, widescreen is nice. But for web browsing, tall screen is the way to go.
Considering how much time we all spend in front of our monitors, it's worth spending a few extra bucks for the comfort and space of a nice LCD for sure.
Jim Lynch
Tech Analyst and Community Manager
This monitor was reviewed over a year ago here. Not sure why this site is only reviewing it now, but things have surely moved on a bit since then. http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=19