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New California Law Bans Anonymous Media File Sharing

An anonymous reader writes "It looks like California will soon be requiring emails to share files. The story from SF Gate has a few details as Ahnold goes on his signing spree in Sacramento. 'Aiding the industry that helped him gain worldwide fame, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed legislation Tuesday aimed at discouraging online piracy by requiring anyone disseminating movies or music on the Internet to disclose their e-mail address.' Also he signed a bill to limit the sale of video games."

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  1. Paying Back Favors and Pot Whitwashes Kettle by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    The signing was hailed by the bill's sponsor, the Motion Picture Association of America,

    Well, if they sponsor it, it's gotta be good for the Governator and what's good for him is good for California. You got something to say about that, Girly-man?

    the Motion Picture Association of America, which says it loses $3.5 billion annually to piracy

    Hollywood accounting, ya gotta love it, babe.

    Governor and video game star Arnold Schwarzenegger has signed a measure aimed at curbing sales of violent video games to children. .. Some of Schwarzenegger's movies were spun off into video games that bear the governor's likeness - although they are not among the most violent under the industry's ratings system.

    Sure is helpful to have connections to those who determine what violent is. He might want to consider a ban on showing caskets of returning service personnel from Iraq, as that could upset impressionable television viewers.

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    1. Re:Paying Back Favors and Pot Whitwashes Kettle by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Governor and video game star Arnold Schwarzenegger

      Video game star? What video game was he in besides T2: Arcade?

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    2. Re:Paying Back Favors and Pot Whitwashes Kettle by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 3, Informative

      the Motion Picture Association of America, which says it loses $3.5 billion annually to piracy

      Hollywood accounting, ya gotta love it, babe.


      Yeh, my favorite was that Forest Gump made no profit whatsoever. At least for the purposes of royalties to the original author. Haha.

      Wonder what this means for my own anonymous network... we're finally starting to see some geometric growth. Figures, eh?

    3. Re:Paying Back Favors and Pot Whitwashes Kettle by pizzaman100 · · Score: 2, Informative
      He was in a number of pinball games, and we know how violent those are. ;)

      TERMINATOR 2

      TERMINATOR 3

      Last Action Hero

    4. Re:Paying Back Favors and Pot Whitwashes Kettle by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, both groups are going after all sorts of religions. For instance, they "lobbied" (no idea what word to use here, bribed?) Sunni Islam into declaring it a sin to infringe intellectual property less than a year ago.

      Personally I'd find it hilarious, if it wasn't so serious... how far can they go? 200 years after the death of the author, life in prison for breaking a directv card?

    5. Re:Paying Back Favors and Pot Whitwashes Kettle by JavaLord · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He might want to consider a ban on showing caskets of returning service personnel from Iraq, as that could upset impressionable television viewers.

      He might want to consier worrying about illegal immigrants crossing his states borders. All of this worry about filesharing or if a child is playing a violent video game while 600,000 illegal immigrants come into the US a year, mostly into California. How hard is it for 10 to 20 terrorists to get in with that group of 600,000?

      California and our government needs to get their priorities straight. Don't worry about what Video games kids are playing, that is a parents job. Instead, worry about securing the border, getting citizenship for the hard working Mexicans that want to come here to live the American dream and Kick out the Criminals, Terrorists, and other assorted thugs.

    6. Re:Paying Back Favors and Pot Whitwashes Kettle by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Insightful
      He might want to consier worrying about illegal immigrants crossing his states borders.

      Catching dirt-poor people trying to sneak over the border is one thing. Trying to catch well funded people is another. You're not going to see terrorists trying to sneak in from Mexico, as they're more likely to drive across the border from Canada or sail into a harbor in Florida. The hardest part of catching bad men is when they haven't done anything already to be identified for.

      That said, do you enjoy inexpensive lettuce, strawberries, kiwi fruit, cabbage, brussels sprouts, artichokes, melons, garlic, etc.? Someone's got to pick them and I don't see any white-european faces out there in those fields.

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    7. Re:Paying Back Favors and Pot Whitwashes Kettle by Slime-dogg · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sunni Islam into declaring

      Didn't that used to be Cat Stevens? Hmm. It was probably a favor that he owed the RIAA.

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    8. Re:Paying Back Favors and Pot Whitwashes Kettle by Fred_A · · Score: 4, Funny

      I stopped buying his games after Kindergarden Cop. That game was way to difficult, those kids were really too small to hit.

      And it took ages to get the flamethrower, and you had to make a recitation to kill the boss on level 2, and colour pictures without going over the sides. And you had to hold hands when you crossed the street to get ammo at the gun shop.
      Anyway it sucked.

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  2. NO. by Clothist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Screw this. I am not going to obey this law. Tough. Go ahead and arrest me or fine me or whatever, when I get out/pay fines, I'll go right back to doing what I was going.

    Disclosure: I don't live in California.

    1. Re:NO. by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Screw this. I am not going to obey this law. Tough. Go ahead and arrest me or fine me or whatever, when I get out/pay fines, I'll go right back to doing what I was going.

      My sentiments exactly. This law is almost impossible to enforce. Trying to chase down people who break this law will cost the state millions. So what the point? Sounds like Arnold kowtowing to the Industry.

      I didn't vote for the man, but I had to admit a while back that he was doing a decent job. Now this...

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    2. Re:NO. by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is what you call feel-good legislation. It makes the RIAA/MPAA lobbying groups feel like they're getting something for their efforts. Any technical person knows the law is meaningless (how hard is it to sign up for an annonymous Hotmail account?) and that it will not affect filesharing at all. But I say let the lobbyists have their petty victory. Maybe it will make them feel like they got something accomplished and they won't try as hard to buy a law that has a truly chilling effect. Wishful thinking, I know.

    3. Re:NO. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But hotmail would have your IP address for when you first created the account. Oh duh! You'd use an Internet cafe.

    4. Re:NO. by k0ft · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is what you call feel-good legislation. It makes the RIAA/MPAA lobbying groups feel like they're getting something for their efforts. Any technical person knows the law is meaningless (how hard is it to sign up for an annonymous Hotmail account?) and that it will not affect filesharing at all. But I say let the lobbyists have their petty victory. Maybe it will make them feel like they got something accomplished and they won't try as hard to buy a law that has a truly chilling effect.

      I'd have more confidence in the intelligence of the RIAA/MPAA than the intelligence of the government. This isnt a feel good situation for the entertainment industry that we should just blow off as irrelevant just because it looks meaningless on the surface.

      This in fact has a lot of meaning, it means the industry has yet another foot hold in our legal system. Once a law has made it into the system, it's damn hard to get it out. You watch, in a year, they'll be lobbying that it's not effective enough, and it will be even easier to add new rules to whats already there second time around.

      This is a common strategy, you see it all over the place. Take away a little freedom, get people used to it, then take a little more.

      And whats especially disturbing are the heavy ties with the entertainment industy that Mr. Schwartznegger has, it's pretty obvious who he's looking out for.

    5. Re:NO. by Some_Llama · · Score: 3, Interesting

      but you COULD sign up for one of the temporary email addresses, you know the one's that expire after so many hours... how they gonna track that?

    6. Re:NO. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think that example@domain.com is going to be in BIG trouble over this one.

    7. Re:NO. by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Interesting
      From the article:
      California file sharers who trade songs or films without providing an e- mail address will be guilty of a misdemeanor
      Doesn't say WHO's email address you need to give - so give this one:arnolds@kennedy.org, or abuse@schwarzenegger.com.

      There's also this:

      Last week he signed an executive order prohibiting state employees from using <b>software designed for file sharing</b>.
      Guess that means no more networked windows boxes for california employees, since Windows can share files with a right-click. And no more Outlook, because THAT can share files too, even when you don't want to.

      Come to think of it, a ban on file-sharing software pretty much kills all email, all cd-burning programs, etc.

      I guess this is why people consider Arnie to be funniest when he's trying to be serious.

    8. Re:NO. by feed_me_cereal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd think giving them a feeling of accomplishment would only encourage them. "Hey, wow! You *can* buy a law!"

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    9. Re:NO. by visgoth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Computers may as well be flat out banned then. Any operating system that allows saving of files is "file sharing software". A user could save to a device, and then connect the device to another computer. OMG, filesharing!!!

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  3. Was he not paying attention? by UID1000000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't get it? Either he doesn't get it either or he wasn't paying attention while he was signing these bills. ...Anyone think he was busy pumping?

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  4. sure, he can have my email address by Indy1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    its either billg@microsoft.com

    or

    president@whitehouse.gov (or was it .com ?:) )

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    1. Re:sure, he can have my email address by flyboy974 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bill, could you please write me back. I would like to talk with you about your quest to rule the world.

      Your bud, god@heaven.com

      P.S. - There can be only one.

    2. Re:sure, he can have my email address by Carnildo · · Score: 4, Funny

      root@localhost

      And the best part is, it really works, unlike those fake addresses everyone else is suggesting!

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    3. Re:sure, he can have my email address by DudemanX · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dad, I always knew that you would sell out one day.

      Your Son, jesus@heaven.org

    4. Re:sure, he can have my email address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Bah, He just got caught up in all that .com excitement and missed the REAL opportunities presented by the War on Terror.

      Sincerely,

      satan@homeland-security.gov

    5. Re:sure, he can have my email address by Alsee · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually the law is far worse than that. It does not seem like anyone has yet posted the fact that the actual text of the law requires not only an e-mail address, but requires you to include your TRUE NAME AND ADDRESS. Sigh. Fucking stupid law, pardon the french.

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    6. Re:sure, he can have my email address by andrew_dupont · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, the text of the bill says that one must specify either a street address or an e-mail address.

    7. Re:sure, he can have my email address by kent_eh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fine, then everyone can use disposable e-mail addresses.

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  5. HA! by Malicious · · Score: 5, Funny

    ipiratemusic@hotmail.com
    anonymimityismyfriend@hotmail.com
    youcantfindme@hotmail.com

    Need I continue?

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    1. Re:HA! by jrumney · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, like Microsoft is going to protect your anonimity when the MPAA comes knocking. Try: ipiratemusic@newmail.ru anonymimityismyfriend@satcom.ir youcantfindme@offroader.com.cn

  6. It will never survive. by Class+Act+Dynamo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am willing to bet it will be struck down as inhibiting legitimate anonymous free speech.

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    1. Re:It will never survive. by Izago909 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "I am willing to bet it will be struck down as inhibiting legitimate anonymous free speech."

      Since when does freedom of speach extend to the illigal distribution of copywritten movies over the internet? Since that is the only instance when this law can take effect I realy dont see what everyone is so worked up over. Hell, there is even an exception clause for sending movies to your firends and family.
      That might be a good rebuttal, except this law does not specifically discriminate between people sharing copyrighted media, and media which can be freely copied (public domain, creative commons, authors consent, etc).
    2. Re:It will never survive. by Skjellifetti · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The story does not say that the law is restricted to sharing of copyrighted materials only. Suppose someone writes a political paraody song about their boss that they want to diseminate anonymously. This law could make the anonymous sharing of such material a crime. If you have info that the law applies only to copyrighted material, then show us. The story did not have enough info to answer that either way.

    3. Re:It will never survive. by HiThere · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, for the last several decades the right to anonymous free speech has been acknowledged as a constitutional right. Unfortunately, what is a right is determined by the Supreme Court, and how expensive (and dangerous) it is to get a hearing in the Supreme Court is determined by the lower court system. And the court system is so overcrowded there isn't room for all the good cases. (Even when there was, the Supreme Court would frequently refuse to hear an appeal, because they didn't want to tackle that decision at that point in time.)

      Merely being right is no protection.

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    4. Re:It will never survive. by EzInKy · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's no right to anonymous free speech -- one of the important issues regarding free speech is the responsibility for what you say.

      According to the Supreme Court there is.

      If you can find a law that protects your anonymity as a right, you're really on to something.

      Here is Justice Steven's opinion:

      "Justice Steven's opinion for the Court note that arguments favoring the ratification of the Constitution advanced in the Federalist Papers were published under fictitious names. Justice Stevens said "quite apart from any threat of persecution, an advocate may believe her ideas will be more persuasive if her readers are unaware of her identity. Anonymity thereby provides a way for a writer who may be personally unpopular to ensure that readers will not prejudge her message simply because they do not like its proponent." Stevens concluded "Under our Constitution, anonymous pamphleteering is not a pernicious, fraudulent practice, but an honorable tradition of advocacy and of dissent. Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority."

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    5. Re:It will never survive. by Alsee · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Since when does freedom of speach extend to the illigal distribution of copywritten movies over the internet?

      Since when does this law have ANYTHING to do with copyright infringment?

      And if it did, it would be the stupidest law I've ever heard of. It would have to say you are free to share non-infringing files however you like, but if you are already commiting a FELONY sharing infringing files then we are also going to tack on a petty misdemeanor unless you post your e-mail address. I've seen some stupid laws, but that would be colossally stupid.

      No, it sounds like this law is only modestly stupid and requires ANYONE who shares any music or video file to supply an e-mail address. And yes, it quite likely can get struck down on constitutional grounds as it would apply to someone distributing POLITICAL COMMENTARY music and video, such as Jib-Jab's My-Land parody. You do indeed have a highly protected right to ANONYMOUS political speech.

      Just because a law is uintended to (indirectly) target copyright infringment does not give it a free pass on the First Amendment when the law infringes the right to anonymous political speech.

      Jeez, we already have insane levels of criminality for copyright infringment itself (you can go to prison for 5 years for non-commercial copyright infringment/trade of a single song). What the hell is up with umpteen other laws all making PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE AND NON-INFRINGING ACTIVITIES AND PRODUCTS INTO CRIMES?!?! The DMCA, the AHRA, the broadcast flag, and now this law. All of which also smack down innocent and non-infringing people.

      I have a question, do you support the DMCRA and/or BALANCE act? All they do is fix the DMCA by de-criminalizing INNOCENT and NON-INFRINGING use. If you do not support the DMCRA and/or BALANCE act then I ask how you justify the DMCA stating that innocent and non-infringing people are liable to 5 or 10 years in prision?

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    6. Re:It will never survive. by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      video != copyrighted video
      music != copyrighted music

      The law is overbroad in assuming that any transmission is going to be an illegal one. The works in question could be your own works or those where the owner has given explicit permission for redistribution.

      This law would also prevent the anonymous distribution of audio and video with political content. It would make illegal the multimedia equivalent of the Federalist Papers.

      NO, this is not just about music piracy.

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    7. Re:It will never survive. by muonman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ....Since when does freedom of speach extend to the illigal distribution of copywritten movies over the internet?....

      Since the First Amendment listed no exceptions or quilifications. Try reading it! Just because the American Judiciary is too stupid/corrupt to read it
      doesn't mean you can't.

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    8. Re:It will never survive. by aussie_a · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Conclusion: it only applies to works for which you are not the copyright owner.

      My friend Bob is an indi singer. He shows me a song and says "hey, feel free to distribute it wherever you want, I want to get my name out dude." I am forced to provide my e-mail address, name and home address. Sorry, I don't like providing any of that info except when I want too. I think Bob's song is shit so I don't want my home address associated on my website.

      This is all a moot point if it isn't commercial. Perhaps at the end of the song he has an advertisement by a company. That's commercial according to the dictionary. He plans to put it on his CD and sell it, that causes the copyrighted work to be commercial.

      Notice I haven't mentioned anything illegal. I haven't even mentioned a p2p network. But I'm still affected. (Thankfully I don't like Bob anymore so I'd tell him to fuck off).

  7. What's with these laws? by strictfoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I mean, I really really don't it. It's already illegal share movies. Now in order for them to allow me to commit an illegal act I have to share my email address?

    What's next: "Before you rob a store you must inform the local police of your intentions"?

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    1. Re:What's with these laws? by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Informative
      I mean, I really really don't it. It's already illegal share movies. Now in order for them to allow me to commit an illegal act I have to share my email address?

      According to my understanding, even if you have permission to share the file, you still have to provide an address.

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    2. Re:What's with these laws? by Neil+Blender · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now in order for them to allow me to commit an illegal act I have to share my email address?

      What's next: "Before you rob a store you must inform the local police of your intentions"?


      Just like it's illegal to not report profits from illegal activities to the IRS. It gives them more ammo to use against you. If they can't prove one thing, they have something else to go after you for.

    3. Re:What's with these laws? by jdunn14 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What's next? How about, "Before you sell that pot you need to put a tax stamp on it." Love that law, and it's been on the books since 1937. Search for the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937. Or even better, here's a link: http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/taxact/mj taxact.htm
      Legislators work in mysterious/interesting ways.

    4. Re:What's with these laws? by GimmeFuel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Precisely. Stacking charges. This allows the prosecutor's to have 12 charges against you intsead of one. They can then plea bargain down to just one or two charges if you plead guilty. This means prosecutors get their 90%+ conviction records they want if they want to become DA or something, and a lot of innocent people go to jail because they take the plea bargain rather than go through a costly trial at the risk of even longer jail time.

    5. Re:What's with these laws? by Bastian · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The idea is that if take one act and turn it into several crimes by breaking the act into little pieces and making each of those illegal (in addition to the primary act), you will be able to lock someobody up for a very long time if they are caught committing even a very minor offense. This is supposed to act as a deterrent.

      I'm sure even a kindergartener could find several logical flaws and unfounded assumptions inherent in this line of thinking, and anyone old enough to have research skills could also find a huge stack of numbers that also show that this is silly. Still, it is the basis for a large percentage of the USA's legal opus, including some laws that most people seem to really like (hate crimes, for example).

      (completely unrelated, I swear)Fun Fact: Did you know the USA has a larger percentage of its population in prison than any other democracy (and most other authorotarian states) in the world?

    6. Re:What's with these laws? by dslbrian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      According to my understanding, even if you have permission to share the file, you still have to provide an address.

      Which is important - because everybody knows email addresses are a great authoritative identity source...

      Should be about as effective as having spammers sign their email address.

    7. Re:What's with these laws? by quantaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I mean, I really really don't it. It's already illegal share movies.

      You mean if I make a movie or tape a song by myself it's illegal for me to share it?
      What if the work is under a creative commons license?
      Because those are two of the situations this bill will affect.

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    8. Re:What's with these laws? by chris_mahan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What you should do is not grow it, pay the tax, have them come arrest you for growing it, and you let your lawyers kill them.

      That will teach them.

      If they ask you why you paid the Pot Tax, you said you were confused by the wording of the law and you wanted to make sure that you were not breaking the law, so just to be on the safe side, you sent it in.

      Then file for a refund.

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    9. Re:What's with these laws? by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      thats because it was legal in 1937.

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    10. Re:What's with these laws? by scotch · · Score: 3, Funny
      This plan makes sense if you're stoned.

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  8. Hello Russian Free Email Account by Proc6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Time to sign up for an @something.ru or the like.

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  9. Internet vs Arnold by linuxislandsucks · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He will find like othr dimwitted politicians that the Internet was founded onsharing and any law to curtail that will be unenforcible

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  10. Violation of rights? by uchi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it just me, or is it a violation of your rights(as an American)? I can think of situations where I could be sharing perfectly legal media, and would not want my email address/identity tied to it. For example, if I produced a documentary about how bad the company I work for is, I should be able to disperse that to those who please. There would most definitely be reprecussions if it was found out who made it, and this bill would just make it all the easier.

    1. Re:Violation of rights? by geomon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have no constitutional right to anonymity.

      Really?

      You know what slippery slope we're on? The one that'll kill us? The one were everyone constantly get 1 more right and 1 less responsibility.

      You have a poor understanding of the Constitution.

      The government doesn't hand out rights; we have intrinsic rights as humans and citizens. The Constitution enumerates those rights we (the People) grant to the government , not the other way around.

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    2. Re:Violation of rights? by Smallpond · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Close. Actually the states can pass any law they want restricting your rights EXCEPT those that are reserved by the constitution in the Bill of Rights. So unless I missed the article on filesharing, the constitution doesn't have any provisions covering providing email addresses.

      Amendment X - Powers of the States and People.

      The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    3. Re:Violation of rights? by Izago909 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Check the 9th and 10th Amendments in the Bill of Rights. Just because privacy isn't spelled out in the constitution doesn't mean that we don't have a right to it. The founding fathers had a fear that in the time following the ratification, an imperialistic federal government would limit personal freedoms that weren't specifically mentioned in the Bill of Rights. Since they didn't have the ability see into the future and predict evolving social concerns, they left in a clause saying that people have more rights than just the ones they spelled out.

    4. Re:Violation of rights? by Smallpond · · Score: 2

      Yeah. That's why amendment X is called the People's Rights amendment and not the State's Rights amendment. Oh wait...

      If you fell for that in Gov. class, then I have a motion picture to sell you. Read it again. Its up to the state constitutions how they divvy up rights with the people.

      If you look at the California constitution, article I sets forth the rights of the people. Its called DECLARATION OF RIGHTS.

  11. That explains why... by kevman42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've seen a lot more files from this user: illbeback@mailinator.com

  12. Information wants to be free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    as in beer.

    Does Californica not realize that the Internet will treat this as damage, and route around it? You can't make your tiny part of the Internet have different rules than the rest of the Internet. It just doesn't work. Unenforceable.

  13. Let me get this straight... by mentalflossboy · · Score: 3, Funny

    So you have to provide an email address if you're "disseminating" movies/music/etc. What purpose does that serve other than to direct the MPAA straight to your door?

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  14. Don't make it sound so ominous... by The-Bus · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Governor and video game star Arnold Schwarzenegger has signed a measure aimed at curbing sales of violent video games to children. AB 1793, by Assemblyman Leland Yee, D-San Francisco, requires stores to post signs and offer brochures about the industry's game-rating system.


    I doubt that even accomplishes anything. But if it does what it is intended to do, inform parents/consumers, more power to them. Parents should be aware when they are buying San Andreas for their kid.

    As far as the email is concerned? Ludicrously unenforceable, so I'm not paying attention to it.
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    1. Re:Don't make it sound so ominous... by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know how better informed they could be. The rating system is prominent on the package, and easy to understand, no signs or brochures needed.

      I mean, the box for GTA3 has a hooker and a pimp and other thugs on it, has a giant M for mature, under which it says "Realistic Blood and Gore" "Adult situations" and "Foul language", or something close to that.

      Who looks at that and thinks "this sounds like a great present for my 4 year old nephew"?

      The movie industry survived without special laws. Noone was stupid enough to think that Scarface was a good movie for little kids.

      Know what it's about? Get out your tinfoil hat. The video game industry has surpassed the movie industry in sales. It's imperative that the MPAA cut it's hamstrings, or do something to slow it down. More people have played "Chronicles of Riddick" on XBox than have seen the movie.

      Not that I'm suggesting that Arnold Shwarzenegger has any ties to the movie industry, or anything like that.

      Try to make it more of a pain in the ass to buy video games, just maybe people will spend their entertainment bucks on DVDs instead.

      Just a thought.

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  15. ahnold!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    if i caatch you shaaareing fiiles, i will torminate you! raaagaaa!!! raaaaah!

  16. Apple? by CanSpice · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What email address does Apple get to use? Or Real? Or Microsoft?

    1. Re:Apple? by rabbar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apple is exempted under this exclusion: "To a person who has been licensed either by the copyright owner or a person acting under the authority of the copyright owner to disseminate electronically all or substantially all of a commercial audiovisual work or recording."

  17. You forgot the most important bill by antifoidulus · · Score: 5, Funny

    he signed a law that finally made necrophilia a crime in California. Who cares about file sharing...
    When the casket is a 'rockin
    Don't come a 'knockin

    1. Re: You forgot the most important bill by OldManAndTheC++ · · Score: 3, Funny
      finally made necrophilia a crime

      What is the penalty? Is it ... stiff?

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  18. Email address? That'll pin em down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Right, *no* one will be able to distribute *anything* anonymously if they have to provide an EMAIL address...

    After all, an EMAIL address is as solid an ID as a fingerprint!

    Signed, arnoldschwarzeneggar245573@hotmail.com

  19. How does this change anything? by Shnizzzle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wouldn't it be even harder to get a person's identity from their email address then from just their IP? Now the RIAA would have to contact Yahoo, get all the IPs that were logged with that email address, and then contact all of the connected ISPs. Or is this really just an attempt to spam file sharers?

  20. Text of the bill by the_demiurge · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can read the text of the filesharing bill (now law) at http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1501-1550/s b_1506_bill_20040823_enrolled.html

  21. What about my own music or video? by dmeranda · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This seems like it's making the same old assumptions. That *if* it's music or video, then the copyright *must* be owned by RIAA/MPAA. This is all about control, not copyrights.

    If I own the copyright (say because I produced it), or I have the permission of the copyright owner (which may be, gasp, somebody besides the **AA); then WHY in the world can't I do with it what I want? I certainly can give somebody a copy of a book in secrety; or even leave a copy of a newspaper on my chair when I'm done reading it (which is anonymous distribution).

    Oh, and what about PUBLIC DOMAIN media files?

    See, this whole thing still seems to be the big media industries trying to shut out independent artisits and producers of content. The whole piracy thing is just a smokescreen; the excuse. What they really want is to make it illegal or impossible for anybody besides them to "traffic" in media.

    1. Re:What about my own music or video? by Smallpond · · Score: 2, Funny

      You obviously haven't seen the attempts by the newspapers to prevent this illegal sharing of their copyright works to people who are not the original purchaser.

      The Boston Globe, for example, has an advanced system for preventing you from giving your newspaper to someone else. They continue every damn article from the front page to some random other section of the paper, which you will never find unless you have the whole paper in its original order. It works way better than an EULA.

    2. Re:What about my own music or video? by rabbar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did you read the law that was signed into law before posting? Of course not, in fine Slashdot tradition. No need to supply your email address if you own the copyright or have the permission of the copyright holder. " (c) Subdivisions (a) and (b) do not apply: (1) To a person who electronically disseminates a commercial recording or audiovisual work to his or her immediate family, or within his or her personal network, defined as a restricted access network controlled by and accessible to only that person or people in his or her immediate household. (2) If the copyright owner, or a person acting under the authority of the copyright owner, of a commercial recording or audiovisual work has explicitly given permission for all or substantially all of that recording or audiovisual work to be freely disseminated electronically by or to anyone without limitation. (3) To a person who has been licensed either by the copyright owner or a person acting under the authority of the copyright owner to disseminate electronically all or substantially all of a commercial audiovisual work or recording. (4) To the licensed electronic dissemination of a commercial audiovisual work or recording by means of a cable television service offered over a cable system or direct to home satellite service as defined in Title 47 of the United States Code. (d) Nothing in this section shall restrict the copyright owner from disseminating his or her own copyrighted material."

  22. Slashdot blows things out of proportion again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    To quote Timothy of Slashdot, "Also he signed a bill to limit the sale of video games."

    To quote the linked article, "AB 1793, by Assemblyman Leland Yee, D-San Francisco, requires stores to post signs and offer brochures about the industry's game-rating system."

  23. No problem! by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Funny

    My email address? A real one, even? No problem! Get'cher red hot MP3s from your friendly local root@localhost! I might even reply to emails sent to that address, for a particularly appropriately-scoped definition of "localhost".

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    1. Re:No problem! by Lxy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Get'cher red hot MP3s from your friendly local root@localhost

      OK, I just sent you a request for some MP3s. Let me know when you recei... oooh! I have mail, gotta run!

      --

      There is no reasonable defense against an idiot with an agenda
      :wq
  24. said the pirate to the governator of califoynia: by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Funny

    "i'll be back"

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  25. What is the point of this, really? by ShatteredDream · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you are sharing content illegally, ie breaking federal copyright laws, then why the hell would be inclined to make it even easier? This is functionally identical to gun registration. How many criminals actually register their guns? If they can't get one off the street, they just get them by stealing from law abiding citizens.

    I can appreciate trying to cut back on massive copyright infringement, but this.... this is just bullshit. Whoever at the MPAA/RIAA paid for this should be fired for wasting their employers' money. No one who is breaking the law and "causing them to lose money" is going to follow this law. Well maybe some, the kind that would have probably been caught anyway.

    If it be true that California leads the way for our country, then Arnold has ushered in a new wave of stupidity into American politics. Doesn't he have better things to do, that not coincidentally would help these lobby groups' retainers more, like cut down the overall size of the CA state government, streamline its laws, eliminate red tape, cut taxes, cut expenditures and find innovative ways to save money?

    Here's a novel idea for the RIAA/MPAA/BSA: instead of wasting your money on bullshit like this, lobby for tax and spending cuts. Get rid of the income tax, when the people aren't taxed at 20-50%, they have discressionary income out their asses and that's when people buy your products.

    In other words, stop subsidizing the Republicrats and send the check to Reason and the Libertarian Party.

  26. that by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is probably not constitutional. You can't stop a willing group of participants from engaging in anonymous conversation with each other.

    1. Re:that by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Maybe it is not constitutional, but check out the actual text for yourself. It looks pretty clear to me that there is no exception for files that you have permission to trade.

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    2. Re:that by BitterOak · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Is probably not constitutional.

      It's probably not constitutional whether you have permission to share the file or not. If you are violating copyright by sharing the file, then there is a serious Fifth Amendment issue protecting you from begin compelled to incriminate yourself, by providing your e-mail address, for instance.

      If you are not violating copyright by sharing the file (if you have permission from the copyright holder, or are the copyright holder, for instance, or if the file is public domain) then surely there are First Amendment problems in banning certain types of communication without including compelled speech (your e-mail address.)

      Either way, I don't see how this law could withstand constitutional scrutiny.

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    3. Re:that by abb3w · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It is pretty clear that it's based on courtroom proceedings.

      Um.... if it was made a separate offense if you did not immediately go to the police and provide them your name, address, and fingerprints after committing a murder, would that be constitutional too? (To anticipate one possible objection: perjury is different. You need not testify, unless granted immunity; you may take the fifth otherwise. If you do, however, you can THEN be prosecuted for lying.)

      I am not a lawyer; I just drink with them. Unless you are one, I suggest that neither of us is qualified to offer an expert opinion.

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  27. Stupid law by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anything I make (or anything anyone else makes) is automatically copyrighted by the person or organization that made it. Does this mean I can't post to /. without showing my email, because that would be sharing copyrighted media? Is the only legal anonymous transfer one that only is composed of public domain works? Ug... good thing this isn't anywhere near enforcable.

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  28. So??? by El · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So now to distribute movies, you simply have to create a hotmail account, even though you never have to actually log in and check your mail? Just wait 30 days, Microsoft automatically deletes any Cease and Desist letters, and you're home free! I'm not quite clear on what this law accomplishes...

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    "Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney

    1. Re:So??? by HiThere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, the section that I read never even said that it had to be you own email account. Just that it had to either be a valid email account, or be your own. (And interesting formulation.)

      --

      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  29. Lots of questions by LS · · Score: 5, Insightful

    * Who is the email provided to?
    * How is the email to be provided?
    * Is this only for legal files haring? (I would assume so)
    * How are email addresses verified?
    * If the file sharing app has to provide a way to advertise an email, does this make app incapable of this illegal?
    * Are FTP and websites affected by this law?
    * What if I don't have an email address?
    * What if my address is with Yahoo? Will my information be required to be given to lawyers by Yahoo or whomever my ISP is?
    * How did this law get passed?

    LS

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    1. Re:Lots of questions by Too+Much+Noise · · Score: 3, Funny

      How did the terminator become governor?

      Coming from the future, he knew the right key combination for your friendly Diebold vote counter?

  30. Questions. by YouHaveSnail · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's nice, but it leaves a lot of unanswered questions.

    Which of my several e-mail addresses must I disclose?

    And for how long after the file transfer takes place must the address remain valid?

    How often, if ever, am I required to check for messages?

    And does the state impose any particular requirements on what kinds of filters I can apply to my incoming mail?

    If I record a protest song and choose to distribute it anonymously (perhaps to avoid retribution by the state), am I prohibited from doing that?

    Can I write a letter or produce a film and distribute it anonymously? How about if I use a pseudonym?

    I'd like to actually read this law. I find it difficult to imagine that such a law could possibly stand up to any sort of scrutiny in the courts.

  31. Have they considered the implications of spam? by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If everybody on peer to peer networks was required to give out their real email address freely, the spammers would be able to go to town with e-mail lists that they would *know* to be real.

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  32. Video Games by adamjone · · Score: 5, Informative
    Also he signed a bill to limit the sale of video games.
    Ummm... no, that's not at all what he did. Talk about blowing things out of proportion. Directly from the article:
    AB 1793, by Assemblyman Leland Yee, D-San Francisco, requires stores to post signs and offer brochures about the industry's game-rating system.
    The bill only requires that video game retailers provide information on the rating system. It in no way inhibits the sale of any game to anyone. In fact, he indicated that he would strike down any bill that included any such ban.
  33. Hello 5th amendment? by babybird · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What ever happened to a person's constitutionally protected right not to incriminate themselves? I'm pretty sure such a law would be blatantly unconstitutional.

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    Keith D.
  34. New Poll Idea by mblase · · Score: 5, Funny

    Email address used for file sharing?

    * asdf@asdf.com
    * schwartzenegger@california.gov
    * sit@home.org
    * eat@joes.com
    * cowboyneal@slashdot.org

    1. Re:New Poll Idea by gfody · · Score: 5, Funny

      com.dotat@atdot.com

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    2. Re:New Poll Idea by Telecommando · · Score: 4, Funny

      heywood@jablome.com

      It's a valid email address and yes, I read it from time to time. If Arnold wants to send me some mail at that address there's a chance I'll read it, albeit a slim chance.

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  35. Re:Disclose my email address? by silentbozo · · Score: 3, Funny

    batshit crazy freaks

    You have NO idea. I walked into the local Fry's the other day, and found that pretty much everything in the store had a tag reading "Warning: Handling this product will expose you to lead, a chemical known to the State of California to cause cancer, birth defects, [etc]"

    Holy crap! Was this Fry's once a firing range, and now contaminated with lead? Was everything they were selling made in some south-of-the-border factory that had a lead smelter under the roof? Were these items Chinese, and painted in lead-based paints?

    Actually, it was none of the above. The notices were required because of lead content in the solder used in the cabling.

    The legislators here have WAY too much time on their hands. Most of them are career politicians or career wannabees, and want to build up a "track record" of high-profile legislation (ie, crap that does nobody any good if you thought about it, but makes for a great photo op.) For example, this Yee fellow from San Francisco was slapped down multiple times - by his fellow legislators, and kept coming back by hollowing out other people's bills in order to put in his own ridiculous provisions. Then of course, there was the bill that banned .50 cal ammo, which was also rejected on multiple occasions, until some nameless legislators decided to "ghost vote" (ie, vote somebody else's button in addition to their own).

    Fraud in an election would get both parties screaming about how people's rights were violated, but evidently it's ok if it's done on a regular basis by elected officials. Crazy doesn't even begin to describe the situation here...

  36. cyclical by dAzED1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    if they can prove you did it, then it wasn't anonymous. If they can't, then you can't be found guilty. Who the hell thought up this law?

  37. Re:Liberals = Idiots by Deanalator · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "His "Signing Spree" is helping the film industry make more money to make better films."

    I dont think the film industry needs more money to make better films. For the past 20 years movies coming out of hollywood have been on a steady slope downwards, about 98% of the good movies that have come out in the past few years have not come from LA. If sharing movies over the internet ends up causing the demise of the over bloated film industry, i say good riddance.

    God forbid movies go back to being artistic instead of the two hour long commercials that they are now.

  38. It will never stand... by Eric+Damron · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So, if I want to distribute documents critical of the government I must give the government my email address making it possible to track me down and hurt me? I smell a constitutional issue.

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    The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
  39. RTFB by kenp2002 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Read the bill:

    1.Provides that any person, except a minor, located in California who, knowing that a particular recording or audiovisual work is commercial, knowingly electronically disseminates all or substantially all of that recording or work without disclosing his/her e-mail address and the title of the recording or work, is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $2,500 and up to a year in county jail.

    So what's the problem? If it's legit why would you care?

    2. Provides that if a minor violates the above provision, he/she shall be punished by a fine not to exceed $250. Any minor who commits a third or subsequent violation is punishable by a fine not to exceed $1,000, imprisonment in the county jail for up to one year, or both the fine and imprisonment.

    It still is up to the DA to choose to prosecute. I see no problem.

    3. Provides that upon conviction for a violation of this section, in addition to the penalty prescribed, the court shall order the permanent deletion or destruction of any electronic file containing a commercial recording or audiovisual work, the dissemination of which was the basis of the violation. The provisions do not apply to the copyright owner or to a person acting under the authority of the copyright owner.

    Duh.

    4. Does not apply to a person who electronically disseminates a commercial recording or audiovisual work (a) to his/her immediate family or within a network accessible only to individuals in that person's immediate household, or (b) where the copyright owner has "given permission [for the] work to be freely disseminated electronically by or to anyone without limitation."

    So this doesn't apply if the author gives you permission. Big deal AND provides protection for multiple PCs in a house. Sounds good so far.

    5. Defines "audiovisual work" as an electronic or physical embodiment of motion pictures, television programs, video or computer games, or other audiovisual presentations that consist of related images that are intrinsically intended to be shown by the use of machines or devices.

    Blah Blah definitions here...

    6. Defines "commercial recording or audiovisual work" as a recording or audiovisual work that the copyright owner has made or intends to make available for sale, rental, or for performance or exhibition to the public.

    This seems reasonable.

    7. Provides that a recording or audiovisual work may be commercial regardless of whether the disseminator seeks commercial advantage or private financial gain.

    Protects unreleased works. Just because I don't plan on selling that sex video does give you the right to distribute it.

    8. Defines electronic dissemination as initiating a transmission of, making available, or otherwise offering, a commercial recording or audiovisual work for distribution on the Internet or other digital network.

    Key word INITIATING. A passive distributor (ISP, P2P "middle man", etc.) is protected. Only the active sender is a target.

    9. Defines "e-mail address" as a valid e-mail address, or the valid e-mail address of the holder of the account from which the dissemination took place.

    Again if it's legit this is simply providing a point of contact so questions can be asked. Doesn't have to be an address with your name. root@provider.com would work just fine.

    If you read the bills and quit listening to others you find out these laws are as "far out" as they seem. CBS taught us that just because the news says A doesn't mean A is true. Just because the /. headline says A doesn't mean the content says A.

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    1. Re:RTFB by geekoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      response to numeber one:
      how do you prove someone knows it commercial?

      How do the powers that be know it's commercial?

      It draws a line between copyright and commercial. So the MPAA can use my works that aren't commercial with no penalty. The members of the MPAA have more then once used material that wasn't theres.

      Finally, I should not have to dusclose who I am.

      response to two:
      Putting people in Jail for possible copyright violation is really ignorant and abusive. It should remain as a civil punishment.

      respose for 3:
      So if it is determined I violated this law(not copyright law) they will destroy my original media. Which I paid for.

      response to 4:
      Thats good, but it applies only to the violation of THIS law, not to copyright infringment.

      response to 6:
      How can we be responsible for knowing the authors intentions?

      response to 8:

      If you intiate OR make available OR otherwise offer. You vilate this law.

      I love that they say "Internet or other digital network" would just digital network be fine?

      response to 9:
      "Again if it's legit this is simply providing a point of contact so questions can be asked."
      I should not have to make myself available for questioning.
      I am now legally beholden to check my email regularly. Which will be fun soince I will ahve to syphon through toms of SPAM, since my email address will be easily available to anybody.

      on another note, you said:
      "If it's legit why would you care?"
      Are you real advocating have to prove your innosence?

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    2. Re:RTFB by DaveJay · · Score: 2

      >8. Defines electronic dissemination as initiating a transmission of, making available, or otherwise offering, a commercial recording or audiovisual work for distribution on the Internet or other digital network.
      >
      >Key word INITIATING. A passive distributor (ISP, P2P "middle man", etc.) is protected. Only the active sender is a target.

      Actually, I suspect a passive distributor would be "making available" or "otherwise offering" the material, wouldn't they?

    3. Re:RTFB by $uperjay · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This law, if enforced, would violate the Constitutionally-recognized right to refrain from incriminating oneself by tacking on an additional penalty to those who do not confess to copyright infringements. This is A Bad Thing.

  40. We noticed, but there's a good question. by Fallen+Andy · · Score: 2, Funny

    How come necrophilia was ever *legal* in California?

    1. Re:We noticed, but there's a good question. by csteinle · · Score: 3, Funny

      Beacuse nobody ever specifically banned it?

      There's a possible apocryphal tale that when the crime of buggery (which was used as the legal term) was introduced in Victorian Britain, Queen Victoria vetoed a similar law banning lesbian sexual acts as she refused to believe they were possible.

    2. Re:We noticed, but there's a good question. by dze · · Score: 5, Funny

      Queen Victoria vetoed a similar law banning lesbian sexual acts as she refused to believe they were possible.

      I believe they are impossible too. I demand that you show me the evidence!

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      "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey
    3. Re:We noticed, but there's a good question. by MyHair · · Score: 2, Funny

      Okay, I have a photo of QEII and Margaret Thatcher around here somewhere....

  41. FoS by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I am willing to bet it will be struck down as inhibiting legitimate anonymous free speech.

    The sad thing is paying the governor and legislatures salaries while they craft this trash then pass it, then have the EFF or some schmuck spend to fight it and burn all that time. Remember these things next election, which is right around the corner (legislature).

    What next, screening of Intrastate email by the RIAA and MPAA? I can't send a personal mp3 or mpeg to a friend without signing it?

    Dear Mr. Ackthpt,

    We have discovered the following copyrighted materials originating from your ISP:
    PROUD MURRAY
    FORTUNATE SUN
    WHO'LL STOP THE REIGN

    Cease and desist or we'll get really mean and nasty and mess up your life so fast it'll make your head spin!

    Your friends at the RIAA

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  42. Illegaler? by FullCircle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So now sharing content without permission is realy, really, more illegaller than it was before.

    Do they really think that people who are already breaking a few laws care about this legislation?

    AND to share my own home movies or an indie film that I produce, requires me to submit to a thorough spamming and possible MPAA scrutiny.

    Great, thanks for that Arnie.

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  43. I'd be curious to know more about. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Insightful
    the other 89 bills he signed into law yesterday.

    I noticed that the article highlighted a couple of rather reasonable-sounding ones, and presented them in a positive light. Hmm.

    I wonder about the other 80 or so bills which are now law. Does anybody know?

    Basically, after cutting a deal with Enron before his election, I think it is highly unlikely that Arnold is a man with anybody's interests other than his own at heart. --And all in the wake of the CA energy scandal, (which the capitalists defended from the get-go; Nice job guys! Enron is the logical end result of greed-based policy. Did you learn anything?)

    If Bush hasn't been crowned "Dictator For Life" by 2008, then I'll be pretty spooked about Arnold taking the throne.


    -FL

  44. Interesting minor point in article by TiggertheMad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But he has made no secret of his opposition to the online sharing of copyrighted material. Last week he signed an executive order prohibiting state employees from using software designed for file sharing.

    Hmmm, I would love to see how that one is worded. Since the internet only really works based off file sharing, That ban ought to include most windows OSes, most Linux Distros, software such as Mozilla, Netscape Navigator, IE, IIS, Apache and even stupid junk like MSN Messenger, ICQ, and a few MILLION other programs.

    (standard rant about stupid politicians)

    OK, now that that is out of the way, here is a way to make an example of Ah-nuld's silly legislation: Look up the exact wording of the legislation. Chances are they tried to describe the programs rather than explicitly name them. Then sue the state because state agency X,Y, and Z are using software that falls under the law. After a few rounds of write ups in the 'oddly enough' section of Reuters and court filings, the law will get voted off the books. (I'm sorry mr Swartzheneckher, but the DMV is ENTIRELY shut down by your law. The voters aren't too happy, either...)

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  45. My Email Address by GAMMAH_DJ · · Score: 3, Informative

    root@127.0.0.1

  46. hmm by ralphus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is there another law requiring anyone who uses the internet in california to have an email address?

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    Revolutions are never about freedom or justice. They're about who's going to be top dog. -- Kilgore Trout
  47. Newspaper on seat? by HPNpilot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You can't necessarily leave your newspaper on the seat when you're done. At least not if the newspaper companies have a say.

    Metro-North railroad (the commuter lines into NYC) now consider leaving a paper on your seat as "littering" and are talking about fines and revocation of the monthly passes of violators. When you get to Grand Central station there are specially designed bins to throw your used paper into. They are locked and were supplied by the New York Times so you cannot reach in and get a used paper. And if you somehow do, the transit police are instructed to treat it as theft and arrest you.

    Of course you can *hand* the paper to someone, they don't seem to have that one covered (yet).

  48. Re:Spoofed Email by bob+beta · · Score: 2, Funny

    Give out as many email addresses as you wish to be (partially) responsible for.

    Go ahead.

  49. Nothing is Anonymous by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Remember hotmail can ( and does ) track the IP address used to setup and access the email account.

    IP tracks back to your ISP, which ( again, its been shown due to the RIAA suits ) can be tracked back to the user..

    More over then that, if they can prove you were trying to hide, it could be considered evasion of the law.. So you get hit with 2 crimes.. Yippe!

    Between this, and outright banning of 50 cal firearms, the man is an idiot and should be tossed out of office..

    Thankfully i dont live in california, well actually i refuse too, due to their twisted concept of the constitution..

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  50. Here's the Definition of "Valid E-mail address" by wernst · · Score: 2, Informative
    From the Text of the law:

    " (5) "E-mail address" means a valid e-mail address, or the valid e-mail address of the holder of the account from which the dissemination took place."

    Now the term "valid" has got me thinking. As has been mentioned, "root@localhost" is certainly valid. There must also be some "see-no-evil" outfit willing to supply you with a VALID email address, but would be uncooperative to any US authority attempting to determine actual real-life identity from it.

    So, if YOU know of such an outfit, let us know, so we can remain within the boundaries of the law! ;-0

  51. Obsolete Law by WiseWeasel · · Score: 3, Informative

    That law is no longer applicable thanks to the 1976 "Controlled Substances Act", or something of the sort. Now it's just plain illegal, even if states were to issue tax stamps (as Arizona used to do).

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  52. Re:Lots of questions, Some Answers by duce+gezr · · Score: 2, Informative
    After reading the article, head over to http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1501-1550/s b_1506_bill_20040823_enrolled.html

    Here's a nice quote from the bill:

    who knows that a particular recording or audiovisual work is commercial, to knowingly electronically disseminate all or substantially all of that commercial recording or audiovisual work to more than 10 other people without disclosing his or her e-mail address, and the title of the recording or audiovisual work

    Back to the questions...
    Is this only for legal files sharing?

    Actually, its for commercial audio/visual recordings only. That seems to mean a work with an audio or visual component to it. Plain text works are not included.

    IANAL, but it also implies that the work is copyrighted, and that someone has a commercial interest in the work

    c (2) If the copyright owner, or a person acting under the authority of the copyright owner, of a commercial recording or audiovisual work has explicitly given permission for all or substantially all of that recording or audiovisual work to be freely disseminated electronically by or to anyone without limitation.

    there you go - if you are the copyright owner, the law does not apply.

    If the file sharing app has to provide a way to advertise an email, does this make app incapable of this illegal?

    I can't think of a file sharing program that doesn't also let you share (in some way) text files. Even if they aren't found by a search, you'd still be sharing that information for someone who looks for it appropriately.

    Are FTP and websites affected by this law?

    Yes.

    That's all I can help with...

  53. Windows Samba Shares by benk0027 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wouldn't this law apply to all users who use Windows or anything with open shares as well, considering that is "file sharing"?

  54. Stupid /.er by geekoid · · Score: 2, Informative

    It applies to commercial distribution, not copyright as a whole.

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    1. Re:Stupid /.er by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Define commercial.

      I can sell a work that is in the public domain, is it now commercial?

  55. You guys are missing the point by SeattleGameboy · · Score: 2, Informative
    The bill is not just to further punish currently outlawed activity, it is to criminalize what is a civil offense.


    If you trade on-line and get caught, all you are going to lose is money (could be alot, but still just money), unless you are a large scale illegal distributor (with clear monetary gains).


    This law make is possible now to JAIL people who are sharing on-line!!! That is not just bad, it is friggin' CRAZY!!!


    I can't believe naive Californians are going to take it up in the a@# like this...

  56. Just try routing around california... by Jim+McCoy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does Californica not realize that the Internet will treat this as damage, and route around it?

    Considering the fact that until recently the majority of packets on the internet either originated or terminated in California, I sincerly invite you to try routing around CA.

    The benefit of running the state that contains Silicon Valley (and the tech centers in LA and San Diego) is that you get to exert a significant impact on the internet, whether the rest of the internet likes it or not.

  57. Utter bollocks by ectoraige · · Score: 5, Funny

    If your email address is with a non-US entity, the DoJ can go swivel.

    Therefore, if anybody wanst a prestigous yourname@the.prosecutor.has.herpes.and.a.leaky.ass .helgrim.com email address, provided free here in Ireland, contact me through my site.

    I'd love to see a video from the courtroom as the charges are read...

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  58. Ummm..you are spreading false info by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is NOT illegal to share movies and music..

    Its illegal to share media files that are prohibited from distribution by their ( copyright ) license holders.

    Not all media files have this restriction. Many license holders DO permit free re-distribution of their ( copyrighted ) files.

    You are just spreading the same set of lies the industries push to confuse people. Perhaps unintentionally, perhaps not. Only you can answer that question.

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  59. Link to Senate Bill 1506 by base_chakra · · Score: 2, Informative

    SB 1506

    While this bill is mad and deserves serious criticism, read it before debating it. A lot of the concerns voiced about this piece of legislation are nullified by the bill's actual stipulations. By the same token, if Schwarzenegger passed this thing without further revision, then it's actually even more restrictive in some ways than the articles indicate. Unfortuantely, the press releases just aren't detailed enough; and, personally, I don't know where to find more substantive information.

  60. RTFB by originalhack · · Score: 5, Informative
    If you RTFB, it is clear the the work must be commercial and you must not have a license to distribute it, otherwise this does not apply.

    excerpt....

    SECTION 1. Section 653aa is added to the Penal Code, to read:
    653aa. (a) Any person, except a minor, who is located in
    California, who, knowing that a particular recording or audiovisual
    work is commercial, knowingly electronically disseminates all or
    substantially all of that commercial recording or audiovisual work to
    more than 10 other people without disclosing his or her e-mail
    address, and the title of the recording or audiovisual work is
    punishable by a fine not exceeding two thousand five hundred dollars
    ($2,500), imprisonment in a county jail for a period not exceeding
    one year, or by both that fine and imprisonment.
    (b) Any minor who violates subdivision (a) is punishable by a fine
    not exceeding two hundred fifty dollars ($250). Any minor who
    commits a third or subsequent violation of subdivision (a) is
    punishable by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000),
    imprisonment in a county jail for a period not to exceed one year, or
    by both that imprisonment and fine.
    (c) Subdivisions (a) and (b) do not apply:
    (1) To a person who electronically disseminates a commercial
    recording or audiovisual work to his or her immediate family, or
    within his or her personal network, defined as a restricted access
    network controlled by and accessible to only that person or people in
    his or her immediate household.
    (2) If the copyright owner, or a person acting under the authority
    of the copyright owner, of a commercial recording or audiovisual
    work has explicitly given permission for all or substantially all of
    that recording or audiovisual work to be freely disseminated
    electronically by or to anyone without limitation.
    (3) To a person who has been licensed either by the copyright
    owner or a person acting under the authority of the copyright owner
    to disseminate electronically all or substantially all of a
    commercial audiovisual work or recording.
  61. Heading off Freenet at the pass. by JInterest · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe it will make them feel like they got something accomplished and they won't try as hard to buy a law that has a truly chilling effect. Wishful thinking, I know.

    Actually, I think the purpose in having this law is more subtle than you may realize. This is directly aimed at networks that are DESIGNED to permit anonymous, non-traceable filesharing, which is the next coming thing.

    Bad laws are bad laws, because of their potential consequences, and because we don't need them cluttering up our already vast legal codes

    1. Re:Heading off Freenet at the pass. by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      P2P email account?

      Hosted over the whole P2P network?

      Nobody said it has to work, it just has to have an "email address", right?

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  62. Great! Another "possession" law, selective use by kindbud · · Score: 2, Informative

    If they have caught you sharing copyrighted materials, they don't need your email address to track you down - they already found you. So the only way they can enforce this law is after they have caught you by some means other than tracking down your email address. This is like "possession" laws. The prosecutor will charge you with this new crime only in conjunction with other charges. In other words, this lets the prosecutor pile up more and more charges against you, in the hope that if the jury kicks out the main charges, at least they can stick you with this one.

    This is just how possession charges are used. The prosecutor might charge a defendant with murder, drug trafficking,conspiracy (there's another "crime" like this one) and possession, hoping that if the jury acquits on the murder and trafficking charges, they can still send you to jail for possession or conspiracy.

    It's totally bogus for discouraging piracy.

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    Edith Keeler Must Die
  63. look at me, breakin the law by kLaNk · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah, thats right, no email address here AND I am sharing a song.

    Using klank3 encoding here is a pirated copy of a randomly selected Britney Spears song:

    .

    The encoding is ingenious actually. I simply remove all the crap from the final stream, and use an ASCII code 46 sentinel for the end of the stream. My encoding scheme is one of the few methods that actually improves the sound quality.

  64. hello by Trepidity · · Score: 2, Funny

    I recently participated in a beta test of some of your email-tracking software. I forwarded it to ten of my friends, as requested, but have not as of yet received a check for the compensation that was promised for my participation. Is there something else I need to do to claim the money?

  65. Re: Feel-good legislation? by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This is what you call feel-good legislation.

    Hmmm. I'd say laws should: a) be enforced (otherwise there's no point in creating them), b) therefore be enforceable, and c) not conflict with more fundamental laws.

    My guess is a law like the above a) won't be enforced, b) won't be enforceable if tried, and c) might conflict with fundamental privacy legislation.

    That makes it a lousy law, and thus for purely technical reasons alone, shouldn't be in the books in the first place.

  66. Correct me if I'm wrong.... by mark-t · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... but doesn't this bill mean that it is completely legal to use a single copy of, for example, Microsoft Windows on every PC within a single household?

  67. This bill is completely illogical. by mark-t · · Score: 3, Informative
    It says it requires your email address and physical address and phone number if you are going to share files.

    However, it also says that you are *NOT* obligated to provide these details if you either owned the material you are sharing or otherwise have permission from the coypright holder to be distributing the content.

    But if you don't have permission from the copyright holder to distribute the content, then distribution is copyright violation anyways. So this bill is basically saying "If you're going to break the law, you have to tell us who you are and where you live so that we can find you". This is about the stupidest thing I think I may have ever seen.

    1. Re:This bill is completely illogical. by acceleriter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's something else to add to the list of charges if you're caught. Even if the copyright holder isn't interested in pursuing a criminal prosecution, a bought and paid-for district attorney can use this statute against you and the label/studio endures no bad publicity (a la Adobe).

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  68. Does it apply to leeches? by ohsoot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So. If I disable filesharing and only download files, then I suppose I am not required to give out my email address since I'm only downloading and not sharing. Right?

  69. Waitaminute by aussie_a · · Score: 3, Interesting

    it doesn't say "true name and address" in a form accessible to other people. So therefore you can encrypt your name and address :)

  70. its not just the constitutional issues here.... by Lexomatic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    but what about the legality of identifying someone using an email address? A signature is a legally accepted way of stating acceptance of exchange of something (such as contracts). So how can a law demand you provide your name and email be upheld unless the email is considered an appropriate form of digital signature. So I spoof my IP address, use someone elses name and email and then what? My email address is NOT a valid identification of myself in ANY internet transaction. It only identifies someone who has access to an email account of some sort. I agree, this may be some sort of salami tactic for getting in a law for later ammendment, but the mistake was using bad meat the salami in the first place.

  71. Suggestion, albeit IANAL, by einhverfr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not sure about the fifth ammendment ramifications. It seems that the counter argument is that this is simply requiring people who presumably have permission to identify themselves so that they can better go after those who do not have permission.

    Now, the first ammendment aspect may be more interesting. I propose that we all create political speaches as media files and in them explicitly state that we only give permission for them to be distributed, publically exhibited, etc. anonymously, and that no one is allowed to *both* distribute the content and comply with this law. Then we should send them around P2P networks with catchy titles like "California Dreaming--- RIAA Dream On" etc. Note only the copyright holder would have permission to email them to political figures, or we could make an exception for that in the license :-)

    Such speech would have clear political value and would not contain the unprotected practical elements which cause problems for DeCSS cases. In the end one might have a case regarding whether one can legally curtail political discourse using such laws. Also if such laws cannot curtail political discourse, then they might not be able to curtail other things as well.

    As an aside, we could also set the text ofthe law to music and then forbid anyone to distribute it in such a way that complies with the law :-)

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  72. Re:No, Freenet's just waiting for the 1st court ca by imroy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Freenet inserts splitfiles with 50% redundant error-correcting (FEC) data. So if IllegalFile.avi is split into 1000 data blocks then an additional 500 "check blocks" will be inserted as well. All 1500 blocks have CHK keys listed in the splitfile. So to "prove" that someone probably downloaded a file, you just need to find 1000 of those 1500 blocks in the users' datastore.

    Complicating the legal question is that recent Freenet builds (in the last month or two) now effectively make all nodes non-transient. Connections between nodes are now also "bi-directional". So whereas before your transient node only stored content you downloaded, it is now being sent content (and requests for content) from the non-transient nodes that it connects to. The only difference from a permanent node is that they don't announce themselves. I think the idea is to offload some of the storage from the non-transient nodes as well as distribute the data more. I've often found when I leave my node on for several days that a splifile will start downloading and a few (or a lot!) of the blocks are already in my datastore.

    In the end I think it depends on the laws in your part of the world. Even if the authorites can find all/most of a file (warez/movie/music/CP/etc) in your freenet datastore, is that enough to convict? i.e does that qualify as "posession"? Or do they have to show (within reasonable doubt) that you purposefully requested that content? Has the EFF or someone compiled information about this sort of thing?

  73. All expenses paid for $208/month? Sweet! ;-) by MacDork · · Score: 2, Funny

    County Jail? Room and board + three square meals a day AND I don't have to work for a year? Throw the book at me baby! Meetcha at the public library Andy Taylor!

  74. Re:Disclose my email address? by maxpublic · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oregonians have always known that Californians are arrogant, crazy freaks. A whole shitload of the fuckers moved into our state in the '80's, proving beyond a doubt that all of our cherished stereotypes about Californians were not only accurate, but in fact understated. Fortunately the discovery that our dreary, rainy winters last about 9 months was good enough to drive many of them away.

    One of my fervent hopes is that global warming will make the constant rain a year-round phenomenon, shaking loose the rest like fleas on a freshly-collared dog.

    Max

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