Experiment Cuts Off Online Junkies from Internet

Ant (an Internet junkie) writes "An article from The Register reports one begins gibbering uncontrollably because he/she can't get a fix without internet access after two weeks. That, at least, is according to an 'Internet Deprivation Study' carried out by Yahoo! and advertising outfit OMD. Participants in the human experiment were deprived of the web for 14 days, and found themselves quickly succumbing to 'withdrawal and feelings of loss, frustration and disconnectedness.' The reason for the rapid collapse of their universe is - say the researchers - because 'internet users feel confident, secure and empowered.'"

Comments

Pff.. They're talking about 14 days?

[lordsilence]

What about the 5min average slashdot fix?

Re:Pff.. They're talking about 14 days?

[Anonymous Coward]

I bet that took a lot of effor to make it look like you're not going for FP. Nice effort, ace!

Re:Pff.. They're talking about 14 days?

[DenDave]

If yours were longer than mine then it would be innappropriate to discuss such matters on this forum...

But 14 days without internet can be an interesting experience. Lst year I went on two and a half weeks of vacation to the alps without a computer in sight. I was totally relaxed, actually got some decent sleep (as opposed to my usual semi-neurotic insomnia) and when I returned from vacation I was entirely revitalized, out of touch with my normal "plugged-in" world, but revitalized nonetheless.. Now I am back to semi-neurotic-insomnia.... time to get back out there...

Re:Pff.. They're talking about 14 days?

[Anonymous Coward]

Well he's got a point. 'Gibbering uncontrollably' seems fairly normal for slashdot. ;)

Re:Pff.. They're talking about 14 days?

[edittard]

Well he's got a point. 'Gibbering uncontrollably' seems fairly normal for slashdot. ;)

Fairly normal for slashdot editors, anyway.

Re:Pff.. They're talking about 14 days?

[Hank Chinaski]

i go sailing for one week each year, without internet or cell phones. even without radio or tv. very nice, i can live with that.

Re:Pff.. They're talking about 14 days?

[shufler]

I experienced this exact phenominon during a month's vacation I took to British Columbia. I would be up at dawn every day, feeling refreshed, and ready to experience the playground that is the world. I had some of the most restless and relaxing sleeps ever.

After a while, I did have access to the Internet, but only checked it due to it being the only method of communication with respect to a party in a forest one night.

I never felt the need to use the computer, and I never felt like I was alone, or out of the loop (in fact, I felt I was IN the loop, as most of my friends were not there experiencing the greatness I was).

That said, I returned and fell right back into my self-appointed claim for the title of King of the Internet(TM).

Re:Pff.. They're talking about 14 days?

[shufler]

I had some of the most restless and relaxing sleeps ever

That is to say, the most RESTFUL. I must appologise, as I have been up all night, using the Internet.

Re:Pff.. They're talking about 14 days?

[torpor]

What about the 'wait 20 seconds before you can use this website again' factor?

I hate that man, that sends me into insta-fits..

Re:Pff.. They're talking about 14 days?

[Anonymous Coward]

If you're on holiday or acation or whatever you want to call it it will be far easier to get by

Living out your normal everyday life without net access though would be exceptionally diffivult for the majority of us

Re:Pff.. They're talking about 14 days?

[5m477m4n]

What about the 5min average slashdot fix?

[refresh]
Yeah man, we just can't seem to
[refresh]
live without our slashdot, man
[refresh]
we're hooked on the stuff, man
[refresh]
d00d, yesterday I saw this dog
[refresh]
and like, he was licking his butt man
[refresh] [refresh]
I'm going to go get some chips, man
[refresh] [refresh] [refresh]

Re:Pff.. They're talking about 14 days?

[nial-in-a-box]

I guess the question is, then, why do we go back? Isn't this essentially like a drug? We know we're better off without it, but it has some actual benefits and it "feels so good."

I have been doing a lot of thinking about this recently, and I'm guessing I've probably gone somewhat overboard. I have two computers, a Nextel phone, a Cingular phone, a Sidekick, and a cable modem. Recently, when a friend had to send in her laptop to the bloodsuckers at Best Buy for repair, I decided that it would be no big deal for me to loan her my PowerBook for the three weeks she would be without her computer. Two weeks in and I'm still comfortable with the proposition. Frankly, if my job didn't require a computer, and if it didn't make my life as a computer science student much easier, I think I would just give up on all this.

Presently I'm having a real struggle with being in college (and being so connected) period. I spent the summer working hard with a tree service company. It was a great workout and I expanded my mind in new ways. I have fully learned that simply because something is physically intense does not mean it's for morons. Nevertheless, I am being told I would be "settling for mediocrity" if I dropped out of school and did that sort of work full time. Well the thing is, I did a little math and realized that I don't need to make $100,000 a year to live the way I want to. In fact, the $14/hour tree job seems perfect.

The thing that gets me the most upset about all this is I have recently concluded that I am absolutely surrounded by mediocrity every day at school. I have a professor who is an MIT grad who doesn't even know the difference between ethernet and PS/2 connections. The people I work with on campus spend more time doing CYA work than anything real (that's cover your ass, if you haven't experienced that before). The campus's security policies and practices are half-assed and inconsistent. So are all the construction efforts. Most students are nothing but drunken robots who spend their nights at the same shitty bar(s), and their days doing nothing but mechanically studying and spewing worthless facts. Most professors rely on rote recitation teaching methods. There really is no effort being put forth by so many people here, yet when I clearly demonstrated superior knowledge in an Italian course I received a failing grade due to poor attendance and was not allowed to appeal that decision.

Sound like I'm just ranting about school, specifically my school? I'm not. Many, if not all colleges have many or all of these problems. The fact is that the Internet has turned me into an impatient bastard. Yes, it does make a few things easier, but if school was actually worthwhile I wouldn't mind going down to the surprisingly good library here and doing some old-fashioned research. Right now there is no incentive to do so.

What are the best things that have come out of the Internet anyway? I would probably say that through its increased communication, we have been given the open source movement. While on the surface this is a great idea, it has serious problems also. What about the people whose lives are taken over by their projects simply because they spend "a little time on it after work?" I may be talking out of my ass here, but I am willing to bet that the current open source development model leads to burnout. And so does anything that is based on the Internet and the assumption that it automatically makes things faster, better, smarter, and easier, because it does not. The Internet is a tool, and can be a difficult one to use appropriately. Our overdependence on it is going to continually get worse before a solution is found. But please, go on, continue living a connected life. I probably will. What it really comes down to is I don't have the balls to get out of this shitty lifestyle and move on to something I'd really rather do, and I think this is true of a really large portion of the people who spend a lot of time on the Internet.

Re:Pff.. They're talking about 14 days?

[gears5665]

I guess the question is, then, why do we go back? Isn't this essentially like a drug? We know we're better off without it, but it has some actual benefits and it "feels so good." This is a load of bullshit.

You are not better off without it. Remember the days of Encyclopedias, and asking your father about something and being told to go look it up? Without the instant access to knowledge that you have today, cursory reasearch is made a lot harder.

Today I read about 12 new technologies, "talked" with 15 people across the US at no phone cost to me. I sent instant mail to 3 clients and recieved immediate responses. I often research companies online. I figure out who I'm boycotting this week. I discuss politics, religion, and money with a wide variety of people from all over the globe.

There is no way in hell, that I'd go back to 1983. You've got to be kidding me to say we'd be better off not using the net every day.

Re:Pff.. They're talking about 14 days?

[Zelph]

I came to that same conclusion, and, in my senior year of my CS degree, switched majors. I graduated a History Major, and will be going to grad school soon. What prompted this change? I realizd that I have to like what I do. I love reading history. I don't like sitting on a computer looking at a screen with a bad refresh. Still, I get my Slashdot fix everyday, and keep up on the computer technology I'm interested in. Oh, and one more thing: I know what it's like to go without the internet. I started in 1990 before, BEFORE AOL and all the rest had a web portal. I went on a 2 year mission for my church. No computers, no internet. This was in 2000. I survived. And I came out a better person too.

Re:Pff.. They're talking about 14 days?

[Noofus]

YOu broke from your normal routine though. I find I can go long stretches of time without the internet if I am on vacation or something. But for me to be at home, going to work, living my life, etc, I have a very hard time looking over at my computer and NOT touching it. Its part of my daily routinie to be able to read slashdot and other news sites. Being cut off from it probably would drive me crazy.

Re:Pff.. They're talking about 14 days?

[nmk]

I find it very odd that most media, even technologically oriented media, is still referring to the internet (I refuse to capitalize it) as a uniform thing. The internet is nothing but a large, scalable network that happens to be the cheapest way of moving data around.

Due to the cost effectiveness of the internet, we are now seeing a rapid deployment of various services on this network. Though some of these services require a WAN type computer network (ie. online message boards), many services now being deployed on the internet existed before the internet.

VOIP is just one of the many examples of a technology that is being deployed on the internet. However, telephone communication has existed for over a century. There are many people that used to waste an inordinate amount of time on the telephone before there was any internet. So now, if these same people used something like Skype to communicate with their friends, would they be addicted to the internet.

The same holds true for any number of other hobbies. I used to spend a lot of time playing games in school. Many people used to engage in multiplayer LAN gaming before the widespread use of the internet. Now they're connecting to each other using the internet. So now, do we have a situation where every hardcore gamer is addicted to the internet.

Anyway, I think that research should stop referring to the internet as some sort of homogenous thing. People have been addicted to their particular hobbies, healthy or unhealthy, for a long time. There have been game addicts, telephone addicts, porn addicts, music addicts, and movie addicts since way before the internet. Its just that all their hobbies have now converged on this thing called the internet.

So basically, I think these kind of studies are useless. Telling me that someone is addicted to the internet means nothing. Are they having problems because they can't get their fill of porn. Or perhaps they are addicted to Slashdot. Even the two demographics converge in this case, they are quite disparate addictions.

So in conclusion, I would say, no fucking shit. Obviously people will miss the internet. Pretty soon all their movies, TV porn, music, voice and video communication, and information will be on the internet.

Re:Pff.. They're talking about 14 days?

[nial-in-a-box]

The way you put it we are clearly better for having the internet. But you assume that all of these things are necessary. I suppose it depends on how you view things, but I am not so sure they are necessary. I still have yet to find a personal philosophy that addresses all these issues, but either way I'm not sure that this is black and white, either the internet sucks or rocks. It's pretty clear that there is more to it than that and simply because there seem to be a lot of benefits doesn't mean it's a good thing.

Re:Pff.. They're talking about 14 days?

[jred]

Where are you selling them? Got an URL? Oh, wait...

Re:Pff.. They're talking about 14 days?

[ImpTech]

Well... nothing is "necessary" if you really think about it. By that argument we ought to all go back to hunting/gathering, because really whats "necessary" beyond eating and reproducing?

As for whether or not the internet is a "good thing", I see plenty of concrete, tangible benefits to the internet, as shown by the OP and others. What I don't see is a list of concrete, tangible detriments. Usually the best people can come up with is that it makes people more "disconnected", or destroys the sense of "community", or some other wishy-washy unverifiable thing. Even the case one could make based on this article is pretty weak. I mean, find an activity or consumable that nobody will use to excess. You can't. I'd bet even some of our hunter/gatherer ancestors ate too many berries and suffered the consequences.

So...

[IronMagnus]

Next we'll see how people who are used to talking and communicating with others in person in every day life react when they are locked in a well lit room for two weeks with no human contact.

Re:So...

[Thiarna]

Didn't you see big brother UK? Ok so it was only one week, there were two in the room, and they were both prone to gibbering beforehand but they were much worse at the end.

Re:So...

[Viol8]

Not sure if you're trying to make a wry comparison , but going without internet access hardly constitutes going without human contact. In fact in a lot of circumstances it leads to it! When I say human contact I mean face to face , trying stuff into an IM or email client IMO is not human contact. Anyway , I suspect if these people weren't addicted to the internet they'd be addicted to something else whether it be drink, drugs, adrenaline sports , whatever...

Re:So...

[Anonymous Coward]

Exactly. I wouldn't know what to do if I didn't have net access, because almost all my friends are online, for most of them I don't even know their phone number. It's not the lack of the net connection itself, but the fact that I would be very alone without it. "Go outside" you'd probably say, and I already do that. But after a while, doing stuff outside all by myself gets boring, and I want to do something with my friends.

Indeed, cutting off the net connection would be like cutting off a "normal" person from talking in person to the people he knows.

Re:So...

[Anonymous Coward]

For some of us, talking to people online is the only contact with our friends. Cutting the connection means we are unable to communicate with those friends (at least for me, they live in different countries).

You may be to old to consider it human contact, but no matter if it's face to face, a phone, or AIM, the person on the other end is a human. My mother felt the same way, couldn't tell the difference between me chatting with some friends online and playing a game. Until the day one of the people I chatted with came down to visit.

These are real people, real friends, and for some of us the only friends we have. Cutting off the net connection is like cutting off a face-to-face persons contact to his friends.

Re:So...

[jrumney]

Didn't you see big brother UK?

I think I'd rather be a chronic internet addict than sat in front of the box watching crap reality TV shows all the time.

Re:So...

[MetalMorph]

You can do both with a TV tuner card.

Re:So...

[krymsin01]

Heh, I watched Big Brother UK from the states thanks to a kind usenet poster. Ended up getting addicted to that show. Would check in every 12 hours or so to get my fix. So I get to be both. Chicken.... *shudder*

Re:So...

[edittard]

When I say human contact I mean face to face

Doggy style not your thing, then?

Re:So...

[Anonymous Coward]

Not sure if you're trying to make a wry comparison , but going without internet access hardly constitutes going without human contact. In fact in a lot of circumstances it leads to it!

No Internet access means no Google though. I couldn't imagine going a single day without access to Google. It answers all my questions about anything that comes to mind during the day. This past hour I've already learned about Knute Rockne and where that "Win one for the Gipper" quote came from as well as researching Tom Landry. Did you know he coached the Dallas Cowboys from 1960 to 1988, the second longest head coach in the history of American Football?

No thank you. You guys go watch your TV and drink your beer with your alcoholic buddies, I'll be right here waiting for you to wise up.

Re:So...

[Spoing]

1. When I say human contact I mean face to face , trying stuff into an IM or email client IMO is not human contact.

So, if your girlfriend/wife/boyfriend/... sends you an IM/mail/... they didn't really contact you? No matter what they say? You'd feel nothing?

I thought people that out of touch died about 10 years ago. Clue: If it exists, it's real. If humans do it, it's human contact.

Re:So...

[dave_mcmillen]

I think I'd rather be a chronic internet addict than sat in front of the box watching crap reality TV shows all the time.

Oh, you're just saying that because you feel confident, secure, and empowered.

Re:So...

[bdash]

like they should maybe hang out with younger kids instead of their more mature peers.

I fail to see the maturity that is present in a group of teenage guys standing around making comments like "Look at the rack on her!". While such people may have more developed social skills, I would suggest that their intellectual maturity is behind that of the so-called "computer nerds". In reality the ability to hold a meaningful and intelligent conversation is likely to be a lot more useful and important than the ability to accurately judge the bra-size of a female from across the room.

Remember: "Cool" != Mature.

Re:So...

[Lemmy Caution]

There's a difference between human contact and human communication. It's why we still miss people we're far from when we talk to them on the phone. When we miss someone who is far away, what we miss is their presence - the proximity of their bodies, the sense that bodies are in the same space.

With a few exceptions, humans and their ancestors have long been social creatures. The presence of other bodies sends out a variety of chemical and visual signals that we respond to subliminally, and the absence of those inputs has real effects.

Would you be happy with a girlfriend/boyfriend with whom all your "contact" was by IM and the telephone? Would you consider that a worthwhile intimate relationship? If you were a child, would you feel that a parent who "phoned in" regularly was really part of your life?

Re:So...

[Spoing]

1. Would you be happy with a girlfriend/boyfriend with whom all your "contact" was by IM and the telephone?

"All" is a cheap strawman. You can know someone better from letters/email, phone, IM ... than just by being next to them physically.

To tell me it is not 'real' is absurd at best and archaic at worst. If you do not see that others are 'real' and treat them as such even if you don't see them, that's not my problem. BTW...why reply to me at all? ;]

Re:So...

[Spoing]

1. Almost... internet contact is good but one thing you dont get from it is social skills. Look at any true geek and as stereotypcial as it sounds most dont have social skills. Getting along wiht people online is much easier than in person and by not getting real contact with people you turn into some freak with a weird laugh and who seems like they should maybe hang out with younger kids instead of their more mature peers. Look at computer nerds in high school.

I think you really believe that. It's a stereotype, btw. IM usage is popular with many groups; it's not the geeks that do the most of it, it is the people who like to socialize who do the most of it!

Re:So...

[Lemmy Caution]

It's not the "realness" of the person on the other side of the medium that I am challenging - it's the sufficiency of that sort of contact to fill the human need for others.

As for your claim that you can know someone better by letters, etc, I disagree: it's fair easier to decieve someone, intentionally or even unintentionally, about one's true nature, situation, and motives, when using media at a remove. In proximity to someone, the unintended cues they give off in speech will tell me things about their cultural and class background that they are probably unaware of themselves, not to mention the way that nervous habits and body language communicate needs and anxieties.

that's horrible

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm going to give up the internet cold-turkey, and switch to something healthy, like heroin

Gibbering uncontrollably?

[Ronald Dumsfeld]

Sheesh!

They should've tried it with some of the right-wing American slashdotters. The researchers would've got a shotgun shoved up their nose and told to reconnect the Internet NOW!

Re:Gibbering uncontrollably?

[linzeal]

Access to liberal amounts of interactive and uncensored media should be a modern human right. How else will we have informed citizens, the FREE television and radio signals that are programmed to induce a delusional sense of individual being when in fact you are part of a mass marketed lifestyle based on unsustainable resource depletion?

Re:Gibbering uncontrollably?

[.orvp]

As opposed to what? Some person who gets "enlightened" by their exposure offline, and decides to form the NLF (Net Liberation Front)?

Suddenly, a hacker breaks into OSTG and changes the /. front page: "Free the people of their addiction, the Net must go, and it must go NOW!" Several server farms are bombed.

The thing is, I am an American Right-Wing Slashdotter, and I found the parent funny, because I know people who would pull a shotgun to someone's face for even mentioning they should give up access for a week.

Re:Gibbering uncontrollably?

[Anonymous Coward]

I know people who would pull a shotgun to someone's face for even mentioning they should give up access for a week.

Thats not because they're Right Wing, that's because they're unhinged.

What I miss

[Anonymous Coward]

I miss most of all google and imdb when I'm disconnected. The daily blogs, where I spend most of my time on the net, not so much.

Marketing ploy done good

[Lurks]

I rent an office in OMD. Now the posters on the wall talking about the power of viral marketing are making rather more sense...

Strange

[mirko]

It is ratehr when I go hiking in the Swiss Mountains, I suddenly feel empowered...
I guess they should not just disconnect these "users" but rather offer them to practise some intensive sport activities instead.

Hiking in the mountains is a good candidate because it is also rewarding : you get to see some magnificent landscape when you reach the top.

Re:Strange

[linzeal]

I would rather mine said mountain from a remote location like coastal oregon in a reclaimed victorian hotel turned into office space, but to each his own. I get enough exercise walking to and from the bus station when I am commuting. 2 miles a day is enough, right?

Re:Strange

[mirko]

I personally ride my bike to work : 20km per day + fitness.
Your brain needs oxygen to work a more efficient way.
Your bloodstream carries oxygen to your brain.
Your heart manage your bloodstream.
Sport improve your heart pumping.
Do the math.

(BTW, exercising everyday turned me in some endorphin junkie but it still costs me less than when I was still smoking)

Re:Strange

[tukkayoot]

Haha, chump! I got to see the magnificent landscapes by clicking that link, and I didn't have to move one foot!

Re:Strange

[mirko]

What you saw were only 2MPixel shots.
What I got was a 4pi steradian immersion as well as the ultimate oxygen fix :)

Re:Strange

[TheDredd]

Hiking in the mountains is a good candidate

My country (NL) does not have any mountains you incensitive clod!!

If only I could.

[rbruels]

Honestly, I would give anything to get away from the Internet for two weeks. A disconnection, though probably disorienting for a couple days, would be so pleasant.

Unfortunately, since all my work (read: paychecks) come from the computer, I can't do that.

That sucks.

Re:If only I could.

[DMUTPeregrine]

Vacations are great. Go into an area without net, get away from everything. Hike. Canoe. Whatever. I'm a net junkie, but a break is still a good thing.

Re:If only I could.

[NanoGator]

"Honestly, I would give anything to get away from the Internet for two weeks. A disconnection, though probably disorienting for a couple days, would be so pleasant.

Unfortunately, since all my work (read: paychecks) come from the computer, I can't do that."

It kind of bugs me that the term junkie has reared it's ugly head. I think about my own reasons for using the net a lot, and it occurs to me that there really isn't anything 'bad' about it. I participate on a 3D art community. Staying in tune with that has been quite beneficial to my career, plus I've made good friends out of it. If I had missed those key moments, I wouldn't have what I value today.

It's a little different, like in your case, where the internet creates work for you. When I had a tech support job, I wanted weeks away from a phone and email. Why? Because when that stuff arrived, it was more unpleasantness. But what about when it's all good? What if my phone rang with freelance job offers?

I think about others out there as well. Some people are looking for love. Some people are looking for information about their particular interests. All good things.

Eh. I guess I'm only responding because of what Slashdot's summary of the article said. Yeah I wanna be on the net constantly, but gimme a break, if I hadn't done that I wouldn't be at the job I love right now.

Re:If only I could.

[FlopEJoe]

No kidding

It's like when I was looking for a house and had "broadband access" near the top of my list. My non-geek friends laughed themselves silly about this but I wasn't in on the joke. They have kids so their first criteria was schools, neighborhood, and such.

For me, it's the point of "how do you get movie info, tv listings, dictionary, political scoop, phonebook entries, asymetrical comm, product info, latest music/movie releases, and so on, and so on." That's excluding all the info I need for the latest programming techniques and trends. For non-onliners, the dozen different sources for info works. For me the net is a one stop info source. I don't understand them and they don't understnad me.

Sure, the net has its pr0n and time wasters. But it's a tool that can be used for good and evil. To call it an addiction is like saying a hammer is an addiction to a serial killer who uses it to kill. It's not like smoking or crack with no positive use. It's like the hammer that can kill or hammer a nail.

Symptoms

[Pretendstocare]

"...withdrawal and feelings of loss, frustration and disconnectedness..."

Can't being on the internet all day/night cause this to happen with your real life? or is that just me....

Re:Symptoms

[PacoTaco]

Maybe those feelings are caused by our soulless consumer culture and the Internet is just a way for people to avoid dealing with them.

this is why i mangage my habit

[j14ast]

Like Louis in the second ring world book I take time off the wire for maintnace such as sleep, food and exercise, if for no other reason is that by living longer I may have more time to be online!!

why,yes i was jokeing...

Baudrillard strikes again.

[Anonymous Coward]

Baudrillard was predicting this in 1981 in Fatal Strategies at least, and problably before that no doubt. "Must we put information on a diet?" (13, Semiotext(e))

Re:Baudrillard strikes again.

[myowntrueself]

That guy was ahead of his time.

Like his 'It is no longer necessary to be able to produce an opinion, only to reproduce public opinion' (from Simulations).

Light

[Un0r1g1nal]

ooooooo whats that big see through thing
<doctor>we call that a window
<pt>urghhh M$ windows
<dr>no no, this is a REAL window, look no leaks

Bout time some of us took a walk outside I think, go walk in the countryside where we cant even get wireless for our laptops :P

Re:Light

[gatesh8r]

EEEEEEEP Noooooooooo.... please GOD NO! I remember the LAST time I went to "the countryside" -- that big blue room with those brown pillers with... GREEN on top... and the carpet was strange!

Re:Light

[xutopia]

you idiot! You're supposed to replace the salt they lick with sodium. That'll make their heads blow off!

Re:Light

[lonesome phreak]

I try to go hiking every once in awhile, and am having a harder and harder time of getting out of cell phone range...

I couldnt do it.

[nmoog]

Im just using this stupid monitor and keyboard until I can get google embedded directly in my eyeballs. I really rely on that sucker.

I was just doing some MENSA puzzles, thinking "man, these are sooo easy". Then I realised I was just googling the answers.

I dont know what I'd do if I had to think for myself for 14 days.

It all depends on where you are...

[vilain]

I was in a class for 12 days in Hawaii and didn't miss my net access at all. If I hadn't been with the instructor who wanted to check her email during a day off at a nearby Internet cafe, I wouldn't have bothered. All I had was 132 spam messages anyway.

Now, taking away my books for two weeks would be another matter...

Re:It all depends on where you are...

[JiffyJeff]

Funny that you mention Hawaii and not having net access...

As a software engineer in Maui, I find that Internet access is easier to get here than just about anywhere else on earth (except maybe San Fran). Sure we have some "dead" areas, but if you were taking a class then I'm pretty sure you were in an area with at least a few sources of broadband connectivity.

Hawaii is a hub to several trans-pacific fiber-optic connections. If you call Australia from California, you're probably talking through us.

Lawsuit time...YEY!!!

[DigiShaman]

What's next? People sueing TimeWarner or AOL for getting them addicted?

It WILL happen sooner or later. And at the very least, expect the attept to be made.

Ya, call me cynical. But do I have a reason not to be in this age of "$$$ Jackpot Justice $$$"?

When I'm online...

[slumpy]

I feel confident, secured, and empowered.....if only this translated to real life.

a real test

[scottking]

wanna really see them twitch?

take away their cellphones too.

And the advert finishes with.....

[Anonymous Coward]

"Ask your doctor about Intergain for withdrawal and feelings of loss, frustration and disconnectedness during inconvient internet movements. Not to be taken while eating, drinking, breathing, typing, sleeping, driving, upgrading or patching. May cause excessive borrowing of toys from children. May also cause a desire for a girlfriend with a 300 baud modem and an 8 bit computer."

I'm affected too...

[NathanM412]

I was going to criticize this article as over-exagerated until I realized that I was reading Slashdot at 3:45am because I was having trouble sleeping. Oh well, what can you do?

Interesting

[I7D]

I can relate. Freshman year of college (4 yrs ago) I could't have the internet for historical preservation reasons. I'd been addicted to it before I had to lose it, so it sucked at first. I got better grades, got more work done, made a bunch of friends, went out..., but when I got the net back, even though i was sort of better off without it, mentally I was like "ahhhhhh, i'm connected again"

"Disconnected"?

[Pantero Blanco]

I'm online a good bit of the time...but when I'm away from the Internet for more than a few days, I don't get some strange emotion called "Disconnected". That would imply that I'm away from part of my body or mind.

I do feel a bit annoyed that I can't talk with friends who aren't physically near me (I don't have a cell phone), and it's inconvenient when I want to look something up, but that's about it. I really don't see how someone who mostly just chats when they're online could get "addicted" to the Internet.

Hi my name is John

[l0ungeb0y]

I'm an Webaddict.I didn't see it at first, how it hurt my family and loved ones. I didn't care to think about the people I'd rob to pay my subscription fees to the porn sites. And there's so many porn sites, soon the 7-11 wasn't enough, I had to hit the Shell stations and the Stop 'n Go, one morning I was real desperate and hit up the Krispy Kreme and I even took all the change in the big styrofoam cup, heh... I still can't forget the helpless look on that guys face. I don't know why I did it. Maybe it was because majormellons.com had just become a thing called a port hole or something... 35 brands of big busty broads... I ... I just couldn't help myself or something... yeah... and so much tit, more tit than you'd ever seen before, soon I was at 200 subsrciptions to all these other port holes and I was like the tit god of the frikken universe! All those girls at my finger tips, mpegs, jpeg galleries, live web feeds! All of it Mine MIne MIne!!! I was a real live electronic sex god! Whoooyah muthfukahhh! A sex god!!!! You hear that? A real live electronic sex ... mmmmfhhhhhh ... sex godmmmpthhhhh....

"And now we'd like to introduce another new member, Neville"

You know you're reading /. too much when

[teamhasnoi]

You're posting, at 3 am. to this story.
You have over 2200 posts.
You mod your pals +5 Funny and -1 Troll. In real life.
You constantly Profit! from ???
You can imagine a beowulf cluster of sandwitches.
You wonder if linux can run on your girlfreind.
You snicker at the last one, because you don't know any girls.
You can spot a goatse link from a mile away.
You are no longer shocked by goatse.
You still can't figure out why /. changed to a non-number karma system, if pageviews make them $$$, you probably bought the new server which you constantly stress.
You never get mod points.
You know all my posts are hilarious.

Re:You know you're reading /. too much when

[Zilquis]

When you decide to make a list like this

Human rights? Amnesty International?

[Vo0k]

How can they conduct such cruel experiments?!
They want to ban cloning humans, they protest nuclear technology development, yet they allow such inhuman monstrosities to happen! I'm shocked and disgusted!

Quite the same here

[Jesrad]

During the summer I generally go spend some time (up to two months, generally three weeks) away from cities and all internet accesses. The only thing I miss then, is the quick and convenient access to detailed information about any subject, so instead I go to the closest public library.

The daily comics, blogs, news, discussion forums, I don't miss at all, even though I tend to spend hours on them.

Re:Quite the same here

[Chess_the_cat]

I'm the same way. I find I can leave it all behind once I go camping or what not despite normally spending hours on the 'net at home. But the one thing I find myself doing is wishing I had some sort of text only Google appliance I could fit in my pocket so that I could ask simple questions.

Civilization is doomed

[Feanturi]

"We couldn't plan a weekend getaway," confirmed Kim V, presumably from the house in which she had been imprisoned since the web embargo.

So Kim's parents, nor her grandparents, were ever able to go anywhere for the weekend? How in the hell did we as a species ever get this far, that we can suddenly become a bunch of helpless twits? Christ it's amazing, that in such a short time, humanity has gone so far backwards, head firmly planted in ass, as to be generating shit like this. I do take the article to be something of a joke, I mean it *has* to be.. Fuck, this is crazy, I have to stop drinking while reading this site...

Re:Civilization is doomed

[Lumpy]

How in the hell did we as a species ever get this far, that we can suddenly become a bunch of helpless twits?

you do not go outside much do you.

These "helpless twits" have been out there forever.

the internet simply keeps them at home and out of danger.

I look at it as a "safety feature!"

internet users feel confident,secure and empowered

[bushboy]

"internet users feel confident,secure and empowered"

Hmmm, I always wondered why my voice has taken on a booming quality and how instead of sticking to the shadows when walking, I now stride confidentally down the street waving at everyone I meet.

And that's just when I'm online !

I always knew this internet thingy was good for you and now I have my proof !

Why the hell would I want to give up the Internet?

[lewp]

All of you people are so interesting.

QUIT AT OWN RISK

[tunabomber]

Seriously, the withdrawal is a bitch.
I tried to quit the Internet "cold turkey", but went right back on the wagon after two days of seeing dead trolls crawling around the ceiling.
Maybe I should have tried your heroin idea.

Re:OMG!

[NanoGator]

"2 weeks without slashdot?!?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo....."

I was about to post how great it'd be to get away from Slashdot for a couple of weeks... then I realized I volunteered to visit.

Crap. It's just like smoking. >:I

I did my own experiment

[Anonymous Coward]

Last summer, my Linux firewall got 0wn3d when I neglected to update my WuFTP daemon. As a result, I had to bypass my firewall box and plug my main machine directly to the 'net. Well, I was too lazy to fix the Linux box, and lo and behold after a couple days my Windows box was 0wn3d too, this time with a spam trojan. Shaw Cable disconnected my modem due to the spam, and I was left trying to figure out a way to get updated virus tables on my box with nothing that would reasonably connect to the internet.

During that week, I was without the internet that occupied me some 12 hours a day. I didn't become incoherent, or babble, or anything. I became productive. I made myself breakfast every morning. I cleaned my apartment for the first time in a year. I even organized my tape collection, went through my old papers, and finished a model starship that had spent 7 years in drydock.

So it isn't as serious as this study leads it to believe. Likely they didn't get people who had internet COMPULSIONS (they aren't addictions, which require actual physical or chemical dependence) like myself, but rather people with out-and-out internet PATHOLOGIES. There's a world of difference between something you like so much you don't usually give it up (X-box, internet, TV, sex, rebuilding an engine) and something that you irrationally can't live without.

diversify your income

[KalvinB]

I run a very reliable (see netcraft result) web-server that I can and do happily ignore for long stretches of time.

While I'm stuck working part time as a programmer to pay the bills (a nice gig that allows me to make my own hours while I'm going to school), I've got a web-site that is beginning to show promise as a way to get a decent amount of residual income. The sections that bring in the most revenue are the sections I havn't touched in months. So it's not something I must do constantly.

I'm also making money on the stock market. I'm not getting rich yet, I'm young enough to do proof of concept and risk hundreds of dollars to learn. Once I get financially situated in a real job then I can drop more money on the market to try to increase that income stream.

And when I get out of school, I'll be a high school math teacher making me as free from computers as I want to be. It'll be a hobby and a teaching tool (math demonstration scripts, class sessions in MP3 format, notes, homework assignments, etc) but not a necessity. It's the not being a necessity part that keeps programming interesting.

The trick is to either maximize residual income (so you can work less at a real job) or focus on shifting careers to something that doesn't require a computer constantly.

It's just a matter of figuring out where you want to be and figuring out how to get there.

I don't want to spend my life in front of a computer so I'm not going to.

Ben

We are Borg

[matt_martin]

Please, plug me back into the collective - I feel alone, empty, when away from it...

Ehh...

[Arcanix]

Who needs human contact anyway? Humans are SO out this season.

The real future is robots, sex robots in particular. With one of those I could avoid all human contact and still visit Slashdot regularly while being "serviced".

News at Eleven

[Oligonicella]

This just in. The telephone changed the way we all lived and undeveloped adolescent girls and boys spend inordinant amounts of time talking on it, describing a feeling of disconnect when deprived.
Get a grip. This exact same crap was said a century ago. The past is sooooo golden. That is, until you get there. Then it sucks.

Hawaii works well too

[billstewart]

I was only there about 10 days, didn't take the computer, some of the hotel rooms didn't even have phones. No problem, mon. Seemed a bit silly to use maps made of actual dead trees, but it worked ok. Spent a lot of time talking to family, hanging out at the beach, drinking things with rum in them, driving around volcanoes.

Of course, when I got back home, my PC was grumpy and had several hundred non-spam emails to hand me, mixed in with spam about how I could win free trips to Hawaii.

Depending on activity

[Random Web Developer]

The withdrawal symptoms from being disconnected depend a lot on what else you can do at the time.

If i leave on a holiday for 2 weeks I always leave my laptop at home, and i never miss it because i am in a totally different environment.

If I get disconnected on a rainy sunday on the other hand i'll be running around the house not knowing what to do

Re:Depending on activity

[Peyna]

Which makes it a lot different than withdrawal from any kind of substance abuse. If you quit smoking, drinking, smoking crack, whatever, you can't take a vacation and forget about it.

It depends heavily on context

[Steeltoe]

It depends what you do on the net, and if it really makes you happy.

And it depends what kind of life you have outside the net, and if that world makes you happy.

For example when I join an Art of Living course for a week or two, I come back invigorated and ready to rock the world. I'd just had an extraordinary time without any computers!

Then I sit down in front of a computer, and all that energy is drained into silly bugs, and a dozens things I have to repair and fix in order to remain sane.

I can imagine if I didn't have something really worthwhile outside the net, like Art of Living, I would miss the online world, just because it's an easy way to hide from it. Obnoxious commercials all over the place doesn't help either, but a walk in the forest and mountains works wonders :-)

Fooled them...

[identity0]

Pffft... they think they've cut me off, and that I've gone clean... What they don't know is, I snuck a Blackberry in by hiding it up my ass and I'm using it to get Slashdot! Gotta get my fix, you know...

Thank god for wireless, otherwise : )

Re:Fooled them...

[JackRandom]

Five long years, he wore this Blackberry up his ass. Then when he died of dysentery, he gave me the Blackberry. I hid this uncomfortable piece of metal up my ass for two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. And now, little man, I give the Blackberry to you.

very unscientific

[Anonymous Coward]

This study didn't take into account all the possible factors that might be affecting their numbers. They blame the internet itself when the underlying cause might merely be something the internet provided them an abundance of.

For example, deprevation of pornography, I'm not trying to be funny here. The lack of this by itself could be contributing to some of the psychological distress these participants felt.

Lack of the extensive socialization the internet can provide. Some people are more social online than they would otherwise be in real life. And, if you consider the sheer numbers of people you might converse with online, the internet can be said to provide a far more diversified and abundant social experience. Forums, newsgroups, IRC, chatrooms, blogs, instant messenging, etc.

Much needed play time, which participants might not be experienced (due to a lack of attempting to find other things to do) in finding elsewhere.

And, computers in general can provide the instant gratification that human beings seek in their environment.

We can count out the last two because they were allowed to continue computer use without internet access.

There may even be physiological variables at work here. Such as what sort of monitors they were using, LCD or CRT? If they were using one or the other that might affect the results. Other possibilies are similar addictions that have been observed with television, how are these related?

At any rate, my point is that this study is far from conclusive about the effects of internet deprevation. Take it with a grain of salt. There are many factors here that weren't even considered. And, there is a lack of a control and experimental group. This study is simply not scientific. They seem to be treating it like a poll instead of a scientific study, but then they try to present the results as scientific evidence. It is foolish, don't buy in just yet.

That isn't to say the observations aren't material, but their methods and resulting assumptions are suspect. Was there even a hypothesis formulated? Where are the statistics?

Cheers.

flabular girlie men and sissy girls

[dotmax]

Yet more support for the idea that geeks should be treated as poorly as possible, as often as possible.

Frankly, there ought to be a test before you're allowed online. Y'know, ride a bike 100 miles, juggle, kiss a member of the appropriate gender, do somethig like they do on This Old House, demonstrate the ability to speak extemporaneously in front of 1000 people, 5 and one, for periods > an hour, and sit quietly in a room for a week all alone.

Compared to the people in the study, Comic Book Guy is a regular reniassance man.
. .max
where's my cattle prod?

Haven't we all been there?

[mrph]

Not that I think I would react in such an extreme way, but of course I recognize the feeling of being "detached" every time my DSL goes down.
Even when there isn't any real activity, I feel strange when I can't see what is (or isnt) said on IRC, how many spam e-mails I have or haven't received, what news have or
haven't shown up twice on slashdot and so on.

The connection simply needs to be there and active. My network being disconnected makes me feel disconnected too. Just knowing that it isn't connected feels like an itch,
and I have a hard time really concentrating until the connection is restored. Even if I'm not using it, or even if I'm not at home.

Re:Haven't we all been there?

[kavau]

I don't know, but I would get a similar feeling anytime I can't do something because of a technical problem. Say if I want to cook something and the stove is not working, or if the telephone is out of order, the car is in the shop, etc. It's not really internet related, but simply the fact that you can't go about your normal routine.

Same old, same old

[WoodenRobot]

(I didn't RTFA, but this is /. after all...)

Does the press never get tired of labelling the Internet negatively? It's getting really tedious, IMHO.

I personally think the internet is one of the greatest things that humans have ever invented, as it allows anyone with access to get their hands on an immense amount of information on anything they want, and to contact people who may be just like them - or completely different.

I use the Internet for getting information, being entertained and contacting people - and these are without any real limit, other than what I'm not interested in. It's a vital resource, and it's obviously 'addictive', in the same way that anything that can provide so much can be. Doesn't mean it's going to be a bad thing, even if there's a dark underbelly to it at times. The net's just a reflection of the people who use it, so it's clear that since people aren't all perfect, the content they produce will echo this fact. I'm an evangelist for the Internet, but that's 'cause I think it's f***ing cool.

Feel?

[owlstead]

...Internet users feel confident, secure and empowered...

With all that information at your fingertips, the possibility to contact about anybody (that wants to be contacted) this is a small wonder. Internet users ARE confident, secure*1 and empowered.

*1 If you equal the small chance of being run over by a truck at home as secure...

Thanks to Charley and Frances...

[yoshi_mon]

I recently have been on 2 5 day not only inet but power blackouts!

The 1st time was not so bad. I had my Palm fully charged and loaded with good books to read. And that is not unimportant as it seems because it is a back-lit screen so I could read at night without having to resort to a lot of lamps, candles, or flashlights. All but the latter generate heat, bad!, and the flashlights use up batteries quickly enough when there are none in the state!

I can say that I suffered no real ill effects but of course I had plenty of other things to keep me miserable at the same time. The sweltering heat, the fun of cooking without power, cleaning up the mess with chainsaws (Ok that one was kinda fun.), cold showers. But I did miss it.

Now the 2nd time was a little more rough. I lost my DSL as the storm 1st hit but still had dial-up and power. I was hopeful. Well that got dashed pretty quickly as the power soon went out again and into darkness and heat I plunged. I had changed up my backup Palm that I use for writing on the road but had forgotten to install the keyboard driver for it, doh! My main Palm was only 1/2 charged and it died about day 2. Back to reading by candle light!

I guess my example is a bad one because there were so many other variables involved but I can say that as someone who uses the inet probably way too much that I suffered no real ill effects. I used the time to do some writing the old fashioned way with paper and reading a bunch. I also listened to the radio a lot and knowing that everyone down here was pretty much in the same boat helped.

Oh, and btw as Jeanne is likely headed our way right now I have both Palm's charged up and ready to go!

Stupid

[SCHecklerX]

If you cannot function without internet access for awhile, you really need to get some balance in your life. Ride a bike, go for a hike, grab lunch with friends, clean your house, cook your own dinner, etc.

You should be able to lose one of your favorite activities and not go insane. If so, you have a problem, no matter what the activity.

Personally, I recommend mountain biking for a daily outlet. Skydiving is a cool way to make a lot of friends too.

My personal experience...

[oneiron]

When I was 17-19 or so I had a few hardware mishaps that cut off my access to the internet for a period of about a month each time... Rather than feeling withdrawals, I actually felt a feeling of relief during that time. I've come to view my computer as a life-sucking beast that I am uncontrollably drawn to. When I'm given a break from it, it makes me very happy.

Maybe it's the porn...

[LilMikey]

maybe it's the withdrawl of vast amounts of pornography they're reacting to.

Interesting concept but flawed...

[Apollo Jones]

Well, neat article in concept. But at risk of stating the obvious, this is not a scientific public health study. I would place this into "pulp science" or worse a marketing tactic by Yahoo and a marketing firm. While I would be willing to think that there is such an addiction as being addicted to the internet, that can be said of anything. Especially so for people with addictive personalities. I believe that there have been studies showing computer gaming is a severe form of addiction. For a parallel lets use game addiction. This form of addiction, like many, has to do with levels of your brain chemistry being stimulated by playing a video game. To over simplify, when you have a positive action in a game, your brain will release a "good feel" chemical. The better you do, the better you feel. Now, if you play occasionally not a huge issue, after all you can get this stimulation from any number of sources in daily life. However, when you begin to play a lot of games (no, I don't know the threshold for alot) you get your brain chemistry needing more of the source/trigger of the chemical. In other words you are addicted. Given this very crude description of addiction, you can see it is possible to get addicted to the internet. Though I would guess you need to work on it. You could design a study to test this. Identify a few hundred people and baseline their use of the internet and their views and any psychological or physical existing dependency on the Internet. Then, basically, if we were unethical you could subject people to hours of using the internet for a few weeks straight (insert p0rn joke here). Then strip the internet away and see what happens. Thus gathering insight into too much internet use and then removal to see if people do exhibit addictive withdrawal symptoms. IMHO, this article's value is getting us to consider the possibility of an "internet addiction," but in no way makes the case for it.

Bullcrap.

[AyeRoxor!]

The reason for the rapid collapse of their universe is - say the researchers - because 'Internet users feel confident, secure and empowered.'

Shenanigans. It's simply because they're disconnected from their friends, information, and entertainment. The same thing would happen if, before the prevalence of the Internet, you told people they couldn't use the phone, watch TV, or read a newspaper for 2 weeks.

I hope they didn't pay these "researchers" any of my money.

Re:Bullcrap.

[AyeRoxor!]

These are the sort of people who if society were to crumble they'd starve and die. Get a grip people!

It's not a negative aspect. It's a benefit. Humans are 'pack animals' meaning we instinctively group together and pool our resources. We, for the most part, protect each other, help each other, teach each other, and when we're cut off, we miss each other.

I hope you're not really completely satisfied without any human interaction, and are just trying to put up a front. Where would the world be if it was populated by people who didn't care if they never spoke to another person their whole life?

Let's compare

[peacefinder]

The reason for the rapid collapse of their universe is - say the researchers - because 'internet users feel confident, secure and empowered.'

When they're on it, so do people using meth.

Internet is a part of life

[bahwi]

It's not really just another luxury anymore. A lot of people have the same withdrawl when fast food is taken away for two weeks(not to mention chemical withdrawl!). If telephone and IM/Email are taken away. If the stove was taken away. The internet's not new anymore. It's a means of communications, it's a mean of information retrieval. It's not just an extra for a lot of people anymore. I know a lot of people will say Internet is not Human Contact, but it isn't a computer on the other end(well, most of the time). It isn't this exclusive thing only a few geeks know about anymore.

It's not necessairily and addiction, although lots of people have an addiction, but it is a necessity. Ask me what movies are playing and I'm on Yahoo in about a second. If not that, then Movie Phone. I've never, in my life, used the Newspaper to look up movies. It's just a new things, and the way the tide is going.

Heard muttering near the study...

[AvantLegion]

".... first p0st.... must..1stp0st... gnaa... grits... portman... linux, tux, debian, GEN-2! my use flags.... 03 vs. 0s.... no use 02 st00pid n00b... fux0r bush... stfu fux0r kerrie... perl good... no perl BAD FIRE BAD!!11..."

Doctor: "Timmy, you've been offline for 2 days and 3 hours. How do you feel?

".... omfg 14 new IE h0les by now... must linux troll..."

History Repeats Again

[serutan]

I remember this same type of study being reported when I was a kid (in the 1960s) only the culprit was Television. No doubt there was one for Radio as well, and possibly Telephones. Yawn. My whole family uses the Internet extensively, and although we go camping almost every summer and to Hawaii about every 2 years for stretches of 3 weeks at a time nobody has ever shown any deprivation symptoms. It all depends on your personality I guess. Or maybe it depends on whether some geeky psychologist is asking you a bunch of questions and making you feel important? Time to pop open an ice-cold can of Heisenberg.

2 weeks unemployeed

[nurb432]

My daily work life is tied to the internet, so are my 1000+ e-mails aday i get at home.

No internet for 2 weeks would be no work..no income ( or vacation, whatever that is ) and a overfull in-box..

While i would freak for not being online, its not due to addiction, its due to reality...

No shit, sherlock.

[syukton]

Take away any major aspect of somebody's day to day activities and they'll suffer discomfort and anxiety. If an every-day commuter has his car taken away for two weeks, he can take the bus and still get where he needs to go, but it takes four times as long and is an utter waste of his time, which is frustrating. It's frustrating to go from being able to instantly satisfy one's curiosities on the internet to being unable to do so. It's frustrating to a runner when he gets into a car accident and is paralyzed from the waist down. It's frustrating to an (both professional and hobby) opera singer to get strep throat and be unable to sing for two weeks.

On the internet, you can find any piece of news or information INSTANTLY, whereas otherwise you have to go to the library, find the book it's in via the card catalog, hope that it isn't checked out, and then look up the information. It's frustrating to be confined to this method of information access, it feels very restrictive.

When it boils down, it's about freedom. Freedom to satisfy our desires and curiosities without inhibition or restriction. The information available on the internet is often unavailable anywhere else, and it is often made available FOR FREE.

- Slashdot covers news that will not end up in my local newspaper. I don't have to spend a dime to get that news either, it's FREE. (admittedly slashdot sells subscriptions, but they aren't required in order to read the news. Ever see a newspaper with no advertisements?)
- When I hit up wikipedia because I want to read about antimatter, it's FREE. (admittedly they do ask for donations, but it isn't required. You are FREE to make donations as you see fit)
- I don't have to concern myself with long distance charges so I can call my aunt and uncle in Pittsburgh (I'm in Seattle), because I can drop them an email with a voice attachment wishing them a happy anniversary, and IT IS FREE!
- Or I can make a VOIP call FOR FREE and talk to friends and family for as long as I want.
- When I want to see how my stocks are doing, I don't have to call my broker, wait on hold for 20 minutes, get told he's out at lunch and do I want to be transferred to his voicemail; all I have to do is go to yahoo's finance pages and enter the ticker symbol, and I will get a significantly greater amount of information than just the high and low of the day as my broker would tell me on the telephone--FOR FREE!

And so forth. It's about freedom, it's about empowerment. If you asked everyone to ditch their cars and go back to horses and carriages they'd laugh you out of the building. The internet brings a better way of life to us just as other improvements in technology have. The difference between the internet and other liberating technologies is that the internet empowers us on many levels instead of just one level; a coffee machine only makes coffee, a car is only useful for transporting yourself and your belongings, but the internet is a communications platform, a meeting place, a network of knowledge, a network of storage, a historical reference, and the list goes on. Taking away the internet today is the rough equivalent of saying the following 50 years ago: You may no longer write letters. You may no longer talk on the telephone. You may no longer ask questions of anybody you cannot meet face to face. You cannot seek knowledge without being instructed by a teacher.

Just like Microsoft...

[MoonRug]

Yahoo of all companies saying "See? You can't live without the internet." This is like all the Microsoft "studies" saying Windows TCO is lower than Linux.

not addicted

[dirvish]

That's BS. I could quit anytime...I swear.