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CherryOS Not All It's Cracked Up To Be

CherryBS writes "The CherryOS emulator, claiming that it could seamlessly run Mac OS X at 80% the speed of the host computer on standard x86 hardware (covered here previously), has created some controversy about stolen code. It turns out that CherryOS's emulation engine is nothing more than that of PearPC, an open source GPL project to create a PowerPC motheboard emulator." Read on for more details.

CherryBS continues "PearPC developers who have seen CherryOS have confirmed it is a fraud, while others remaining anonymous have posted the 'strings' output that CherryOS and PearPC share, showing many function names, warning/informational message strings that exist verbatim in PearPC. Additionally, now-pulled screenshots of CherryOS, mirrored in the long thread at pearpc.net, show CherryOS's boot process revealing variable names and missing or incorrectly emulated hardware in such a way as to be specific to PearPC. Arben Kryeziu, the developer of CherryOS, claims that no code has been taken from PearPC whatsoever, and that he will release a trial version this week. However, with the amount of deception on the part of the company, and considering this wouldn't be the first time he's violated the GPL, it's hard to believe they're telling the truth. Additionally, Kryeziu now claims the "trial" may "disable modules like sound or drag and drop"...likely because PearPC itself does not support such features. To further add to the tale, someone who was likely Arben was specifically asking for video server load testing for their vx30.com video codec/server product, even specifically mentioning slashdot as a great candidate, and in the days following the CherryOS story unfolding, went back and deleted the posts. The first day, all that was left online were two videos, one of which was subsequently removed because of PearPC-specific strings in the boot process shown in the video..."

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  1. What a surprise by __aavhli5779 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The other day, when I first saw mention of 'CherryOS', the first thing that came to mind was "I bet they're using PearPC code without attribution.". A full-featured PPC emulator (an incredibly difificult accomplishment) coming out so soon after another?

    Glad to see that my fears were vindicated. DIE, HOARDER SCUM.

    1. Re:What a surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The difference between PearPc and CherryOs is that Cherry has personal info about hundreds (thousands?) of users who filled their contact form.

    2. Re:What a surprise by UrgleHoth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Too bad the mass media did not think of that when given the press release. No, instead, they just blindly passed it on to news consumers. This is a real problem with our media sources. Journalists do not do their jobs. Do you think any of them will learn from this? Nah, me neither.

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    3. Re:What a surprise by Lev13than · · Score: 5, Funny

      The difference between PearPc and CherryOs is that Cherry has personal info about hundreds (thousands?) of users who filled their contact form.

      ...who are now about to get an email from confirmation@apple-security-totallylegit.com asking them to confirm their credit card information in order to "ensure that their version of MacOS is fully cross-platform compliant".

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    4. Re:What a surprise by dmitrygr · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well lets slashdot them to add to their problems...

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    5. Re:What a surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
      The other day, when I first saw mention of 'CherryOS', the first thing that came to mind was "I bet they're using PearPC code without attribution.". A full-featured PPC emulator (an incredibly difificult accomplishment) coming out so soon after another?


      Serves the PearPC right for giving away their source code then! WTF did they expect would happen? Sheesh, if you don't want someone to borrow your code for another project then DON'T GIVE AWAY THE SOURCE CODE.

    6. Re:What a surprise by CatOne · · Score: 4, Funny

      They're supposed to do a source code diff for a press release?

      Ummm... no.

    7. Re:What a surprise by UrgleHoth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Who said they are supposed to do a source code diff? Did I imply that, Ummmm...no.
      But to maintain credibility it is the media's job to do a reality check before posting stories, including press releases.

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    8. Re:What a surprise by KDan · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're the idiot. Read the effin' dictionary under "sarcasm".

      Daniel

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    9. Re:What a surprise by Dr.+Dew · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Yahoo printing of the press release is not a bad thing. It's clearly marked as a press release. If you want to pay your $600 to BusinessWire, you too can post a press release announcing that "monkeys will shoot out of my nether eye in my office at midnight tonight." Yahoo will pick it up and run it in its financial news section, because that's what it does with press releases as they come along the wire.

      This is a good thing - pre-Web, getting your hands on a company's press releases was more time consuming and sometimes expensive. I prefer being able to research what a company says about itself. Of course, believing what a company says about itself is another matter, but why would a person read something marked "press release" without a skeptical eye?

      Did you know, for example, that the people quoted in press releases generally don't say what they're quoted as saying? No indeed, even if multiple companies are involved, a marcom person wrote the thing, ran it by someone else's marcom person, got approval, and put it out on the wire. In some cases, the quoted person doesn't even know they've been quoted. "I'm very excited about the prospect of monkeys flying out of UrgleHoth's nether eye," said Dr. Dew. "I'm just glad they're not going to fly out of mine."

      And I'm puzzled what your problem is with the Wired piece. The writer clearly states the claims as "claims" - so carefully, in fact, that I was more skeptical after reading it than I was before.

      That said, I wouldn't complain if news sources did a better job aggregating related stories so that it's as easy to find out that someone's a pathological liar as it is to find out whatever they said before it was verified as a lie.

    10. Re:What a surprise by h2odragon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      look at win32 webcam apps. you're lucky to find any that arent lightly to mildly hacked at versions of Dorgem with spyware / adware / trojans du jour tacked on.

    11. Re:What a surprise by ghostlibrary · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > What, you expect journalists to check the code of every new program against the code

      Nah, just be journalists. Given a press release, "Product A rules!", a journalist asks "tell us why", while the current crop of media darlings simply says "tell us more!"

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    12. Re:What a surprise by CommanderData · · Score: 5, Informative

      To give Wired a bit of credit, they actually continued to follow the story (including trying out a copy of CherryOS and then investigating and assisting in proving the fraud claims). See the article posted today.

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    13. Re:What a surprise by Spoing · · Score: 3, Insightful
      1. Too bad the mass media did not think of that when given the press release. No, instead, they just blindly passed it on to news consumers. This is a real problem with our media sources. Journalists do not do their jobs. Do you think any of them will learn from this? Nah, me neither.

      Yep, I lost that illusion years ago!

      Press releases make up a large chunk of the tech 'news' being 'reported'. I know this since I've seen it happen with the press releases a company I used to work for sent out. (Guestimate: small blurbs nearly 100% company content, medium ones over 50%, large articles much less. Typically, the larger the subject, the less corporate content.)

      In the case of CherryOS, I'd guess most everything posted was corporate content. Now that there is a scandal, you'll see some 'scoop' articles here and there...with lost of corporate content.

      Press releases are very effective for both reporters and companies; the reporter can meet deadlines with something to show while the company benifits from a '3rd party' saying what they wrote. My experience is that a typical 'report' that at worst the press release is printed verbatim with some paragraphs chopped for space, though many more are only 20% non-company provided content.

      Why bother reading tech rags when most is not original or is overly sensationalized? (Ex: Ziff pubs.)

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    14. Re:What a surprise by cobalt27x · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This issue has been thrown around countless times on /.

      It seems that the consensus is that Apple actually loses a lot in the porting of their operating system to x86. For one, hardware support. The reason why MacOS X is as stable and runs as well as it does is because it is run on hardware specifically designed to use the software, and vice versa. If OS X were to move to x86, Apple would have to take into consideration the prospect of having it be run on literally millions of different combinations of hardware.

      You may argue that Microsoft did a good job of this with Windows. However this is more of an accomplishment for the hardware vendors rather than Microsoft, as they are the ones that wrote the drivers. If Apple were to ship OS X for x86, then the hardware vendors, if they wanted to support the consumers using the system, would need to write new drivers. If you were to ask me, I would guess that the majority of the hardware vendors wouldn't even bother.

      There may be a lot of interest from your standpoint in seeing Mac OS X being ported to the PC, however the general consensus is that Apple would be losing too much for them to see it as being worth it.

    15. Re:What a surprise by HughsOnFirst · · Score: 4, Informative

      I worked at a small software company that made an corporate email management program. We sent out a press release with screen shots of a very colorful GUI that we abandoned before we ever got actual working code. Months later we sent out copies to various PC magazines to review. A bit later we won some sort of comparison test ( I think we had a longer list of features than anyone else , thus more bullet points ) including praise for how easy it was to install.
      The funny thing was, the installation instructions were something like 1. Install IBM DB2. 2. click on install icon and wait for authorization key window to open. 3. Call xyz-tech for an install key.
      At that point we would talk them through some godawfull install and configuration process that could go on for days. But the reviewer never called, never got a key, and presumably never installed it, and the review was illustrated with the press release screen shots.

    16. Re:What a surprise by HughsOnFirst · · Score: 4, Funny

      Management didn't do anything criminal in that instance, it was a surprise and sort of an embarrassment, because the project had changed direction by the time the review was out there.
      Later however, the employees "fired" the boss by threatening to quit at which point the major investor replaced him. Eventually we got bought by a company that got bought by a major manufacture of high end router equipment painted Slashdot green.
      We got paid in millions of dollars worth of Big Green Router Company stock when it was worth about $65 a share, then it went to $10 before we could sell but the IRS taxed it at the $65 value so that we all owed way more in taxes than it was worth. Then the Big Green Router Company outsourced the project to India and laid off the most senior people on the project. The bright spot is that my accountant says I'll be able to take $3000 off of my income tax for the next 92 years.

    17. Re:What a surprise by Krach42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, well, as one of the major developers of PearPC, I'd think he'd like to have my name and address. So he knows where to send any apologies that might occur to him to be necessary.

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    18. Re:What a surprise by shippo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, I worked for a software house that developed a web-based collaboration program, which, due to very browser-centric Javascript coding, would only work on IE 4.0 (it was some time ago). I was responsible for testing and supporting this thing.

      They released press releases to various UK trade magazines claiming various apects about this product, many of which were clearly not true. One was a list of client platforms that the product ran on, and this included various Windows, Mac and UNIX browser clients that had not been officially tested in any way. All were simply fabricated. Other claims about the product, such as the list of platforms that the server ran on, were equally false and untested, and due to a certain core third-party library only being available as a Windows DLL at the time, not possible to implement for at least another 6 months, if at all.

      All the UK press printed the release notes without one even bothering to review the software.

      I walked out of the company in disgust a few days later. They ceased trading a year or two later, after concentrating exclusively on the product at the expense of other core revenue streams.

  2. Looks like someone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...popped the cherry!

  3. Really... by evilmuffins · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Did anyone think it would be anything differnt? This reminds me of whenever some new console comes out, there is always some miricle emulator coming out soon that will play every game for it perfectly.

  4. So... by grunt107 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Something's a little rotten w/that Cherry? That's the pits!!!

  5. read the thread by jhendow · · Score: 5, Informative

    read the mirrored thread. it's well worth the time to examine it.

  6. The best programmer of all time??? by FyRE666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's check the facts here - this guy claims to have written a mac emulator that runs at 80% native speed, all by himself... in 4 months?!! He's either a frickin' genius, or he's "embraced" some code from somewhere - and I think we all know where...

    1. Re:The best programmer of all time??? by JVert · · Score: 4, Funny

      Rumor has it that he had some help from Derek Smart.

      This cannot be confirmed because when asking Derek about the possibility, he replied "No comment".

    2. Re:The best programmer of all time??? by BenjyD · · Score: 4, Funny

      Quiet! If you say his name three times he'll appear and start flaming.

  7. Whew by OverlordQ · · Score: 5, Funny

    Glad i didn't take this guy up on his bet.

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  8. legality by Anubis350 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    while IANAL, is this necessarily illegal?? if he makes the source code for pearpc downloadable/packaged with with cherry and acknowlodges somewhere in the eula that its pearpc rebranded than while he has morally been an asshole he hasnt violated the gpl, has he?

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    1. Re:legality by klingens · · Score: 2, Informative

      He hasn't, but due to the linking clause his part of the code has to be GPL too, and then everybody can freely trade copies of CherryOS without paying a cent. So who would buy a copy?

    2. Re:legality by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Informative

      He'd have to make any and all changes he made to PearPC (including any anti-copying code or the like) available as well. But yes, rebranding GPL code and claiming it as your own, so long as you redistribute it as GPL is totally legal. I don't htink thats what he's doing though (I don't think he released code).

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    3. Re:legality by at_18 · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can rebrand it, but you cannot claim it as your own. You must list the original authors of the code.

    4. Re:legality by jsebrech · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can rebrand it, but you cannot claim it as your own. You must list the original authors of the code.

      You're thinking of the old-style bsd license. The GPL does not require listing the original authors. I just reread the license again, and it seems it does allow taking someone else's gpl'd program and claiming it is entirely your own.

    5. Re:legality by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      He has violated the GPL in the case of PdfConv. He is distributing PdfConv, and up until recently was only distributing the source code for PDF2HTML. The changes to the front end were not incorporated in the tarball. The developers of PDF2HTML did not seem pleased.

      According to his emails, it seems that he intends to distribute source code for CherryOS. We shall see. Has he distributed binaries to anyone yet? Whenever the "trial" starts, people will be able to request the source code.

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    6. Re:legality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The GPL does not require listing the original authors.

      That is only true technically.

      1. You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's source code as you receive it, in any medium, provided that you conspicuously and appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty

      So no, you don't have to list the original authors, but you do have to list the copyright holders. In most cases these are the one and the same, so while you are technically correct, in practice you are almost always wrong.

      (Before anybody tries to redefine "appropriate copyright notice", please point out where the GPL transfers copyright. Hint: it doesn't.)

    7. Re:legality by Superfreaker · · Score: 2, Funny


      "...so while you are technically correct, in practice you are almost always wrong."

      Sounds like something a fortune cookie would say to me.
      It's the story of my life!

    8. Re:legality by qbwiz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That appears to apply only to verbatim copies of the Program's source code as you receive it,, so if you change anything, you don't have to do that.

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  9. What a moron by ShatteredDream · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You know, it's one thing for a corporate guy to think that he can get away with this. It's quite another for an open source developer to pilfer and another open source developer's code, release his "modifications" online and claim it's his. The CherryOS guy(s) better watch out, they may find themselves next in line for a darwin award for being that stupid.

    I mean seriously... this is about as bright as murdering your neighbor in your front lawn in the middle of the day and stretching their corpse out on a lawn chair in your yard while you cut the grass...

    1. Re:What a moron by PedanticSpellingTrol · · Score: 5, Interesting
      This gets a little offtopic, but I'm suprised those guys that made an adware ripoff of GAIM haven't gotten more attention.

      Link

    2. Re:What a moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This gets a little offtopic, but I'm suprised those guys that made an adware ripoff of GAIM haven't gotten more attention.

      Ask them for the source code. I just did it through their web feedback form, as that is the only contact information provdided on their site. Let us see if they comply.

      "In compliance with the GPL, I request access to IMBlaze's full source code."

    3. Re:What a moron by PedanticSpellingTrol · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I, and quite a few other people have in the last few months. Expect some sob story about how they were just using the gaim code as a placeholder for a couple months while they wrote their own client, and then the programmer screwed them over and took off with the code.

    4. Re:What a moron by MKalus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      nice, so they think because they got ripped off (or claimed to have been ripped off) they can now just take GAIM and sell it as their own?

      Wow, great logic.

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  10. cherry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    popped

  11. Stupidity by FiReaNGeL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The first day, all that was left online were two videos, one of which was subsequently removed because of PearPC-specific strings in the boot process shown in the video..."

    Heh. If they can't even cover their tracks THIS BAD, no wonder they got catched (which is a good thing).
    Now I wonder... are all GPL violators this clumsy? Probably not... you know the saying, for every thief you catch, hundreds still run free.

    1. Re:Stupidity by archen · · Score: 5, Funny

      If they can't even cover their tracks THIS BAD, no wonder they got catched

      I think I just saw the head of a grammar nazi explode.

    2. Re:Stupidity by Valdar729 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I used to work for a company that violated the license of an open source piece of software. They stole the code verbatim and I didn't realize this until I had left the company and was searching for an open source alternative to their software. I stumbled across the open source version and though "Hey, they use the same variable and function names as us...hey, they use the same headers...hey, they use the same conversion arrays...hey, we stole their product!"

      Unfortunately, they are making millions of dollars off of this open source software and the original author isn't seeing a penny. I feel bad, but I am one of two people who actually saw the source code (the other being the owner of the company).

      If I said anything the company would instantly know who snitched on them and I'm not going to deal with those repurcussions.

      They kept good tabs on making sure no one else could figure out they stole open source code and they continue to make large amounts of money on it today. So yes, not everyone is as clumsy as this person is.

    3. Re:Stupidity by pjt33 · · Score: 5, Funny

      We grammar Nazis aren't all mean-spirited pedants unable to make allowances for foreigners, and the use of "catched" rather than "caught" is a clear indication that the grandparent post wasn't written by a native English speaker. Do you, on the other hand, have any excuse for failing to capitalise "Nazi", or must our collective wrath descend on you?

    4. Re:Stupidity by stevey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Explain the situation to the FSF and somebody would probably approach them.

      If the code is similar chances are symbol table information / exports in DLLs etc would allow binary comparisons to be used to establish a connection.

      That way source wouldn't need to be visible and you'd be clean.

      Failing that tip off the author - if you don't work there anymore and you feel bad why keep quiet, and then tell the world anonymously?

    5. Re:Stupidity by fatcatman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do you, on the other hand, have any excuse for failing to capitalise "Nazi", or must our collective wrath descend on you?

      That's "descend upon." Clown.

    6. Re:Stupidity by Valdar729 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I kept quite and tell people anonymously because I feel bad, rather than not telling anyone at all. And if I did tell someone my previous company had no problems with sueing people for any reason. But I'll take your advice about the FSF and try to contact them about it.

      Problem is the original source was for unix x-windows and the company I worked for ported it to windows for ActiveX and .Net. I'm not sure how comparisons can be made across platforms like that since dll symbols well...didn't exist in the original application.

    7. Re:Stupidity by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If there are bugs in the original source it should be possible to test for bug-for-bug compatibility.

      You could at least mention the free product in question without outing your former company.

      If you have any money a lawyer might be worth talking to. Whistleblower protection acts and anti-SLAPP protections might be worth looking at. You might be a co-conspirator if you don't come forward. Best to get real legal advice. Should cost you $300 for a couple hours.

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  12. Choice Quote by dhoonlee · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sebastian Ballas, PearPC's lead developer, said a screenshot of CherryOS shows a variable named "SPIRO MULTIMAX 3000," a nonsensical term Ballas claims to have invented for use in PearPC.

    "It is absolutely unlikely that someone uses exactly this name for the same purpose," he said. "The way he (Kryeziu) is lying is making me angry."


    When told that variables with the same names had been found in both CherryOS and PearPC, Kryeziu said programming logic often leads to variables and functions with similar, or identical, names.

    "There are some functionalities that can only be done a certain way," he said. "Names are going to be similar or identical because there are only certain ways to do things."

    BUAHAHHAHAAHHAHHAHA

    1. Re:Choice Quote by KH · · Score: 2, Funny
      My favorite quote is thus:


      Kryeziu said he's under unfair scrutiny because people refuse to believe the product is real.

      "If it isn't, it will ruin my reputation," he said. "I will end up as a bartender. I do not want to be a bartender.""


      That's a great insult to bartenders all over the world. What's wrong with being a bartender? Besides, being a bartender would get one laid 1,000 times more than being a programmer.
    2. Re:Choice Quote by kubrick · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "There are some functionalities that can only be done a certain way," he said. "Names are going to be similar or identical because there are only certain ways to do things."

      Quote from Linus responding to SCO, isn't it?

      (Of course, he was talking about POSIX implementations, where source compatability pretty much mandates these similarities, so that's a completely different bowl of fruit. :)

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    3. Re:Choice Quote by DrSbaitso · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ironic - that's almost the exact same response that many of the cheaters caught by Lou Bloomfield from my school, the University of Virginia, gave when accused of cheating. "Lots of papers are about the same topic, and there are only so many ways to describe [why the sky is blue/the photoelectric effect/whatever the paper was about]; THAT's why my paper uses the exact same words as my frat brother Tommy's."

      I'm too lazy to dig out the slashdot story about the incident, but I do find another instance of denial in the face of obvious plagiarism amusing.

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  13. Heh by NetNifty · · Score: 5, Informative

    Seems like the slashdotters in this thread figured this out first.

  14. "Stolen" code? by IntelliTubbie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not theft, it's copyright infringement! At least, that's what we say about music and movies ... why should the party line be any different for GPLed code?

    Cheers,
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    1. Re:"Stolen" code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Downloaders don't pass the music/movies off as their own work. There is a difference although God knows what the legal difference would be.

    2. Re:"Stolen" code? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes. The copyright code was intended to nail people that intentionally rip off copyrighted works and sell them for profit. Originally that was to stop books from being copied and sold. I believe that predates the music industry. That is still the big distinction: if you commit infringement but don't profit by it, that's one thing (fair-use at best, a civil matter at worst), but sell it and make money and you can end up in criminal court, if the amount you make exceeds certain specific limits set up by the law. Then it gets ugly. Hundreds of thousands in fines, years in the pen, that sort of thing.

      As an aside, one of things the RIAA would like to do is remove that distinction, and thoroughly criminalize any copyright infringement of any kind. There are those here on Slashdot that see nothing wrong with that, I've noticed, and they won't until they end up arrested for copying a few pages from a library book.

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    3. Re:"Stolen" code? by jrockway · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would use the word "plagiarism". Whether or not it's illegal, I don't know... but it doesn't seem very ethical to take someone else's work and pass it off as your own.

      File traders don't claim they made the movie, they just made a copy of it. Again, I don't know whether or not it's illegal, but I don't feel bad about it. Oh no, the starving execs can't get a new Jaguar. Cry cry cry...

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    4. Re:"Stolen" code? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You forgot your /I, dude. And it all depends upon your perspective. The whole idea of fair use is that there are legitimate cases where a copyrighted work can be copied without regard to the copyright, but that long-standing right is suffering a sustained legal attack at both the Congressional and State level. So while the copyright police may not arrest you for copying pages from a library book, they may very well prevent your computer and other devices that you own from permitting you to do the technological equivalent. The recent FCC mandate for the Broadcast Flag is just the foot in the door, my friend ... expect more of the same. And that wasn't a scare tactic, I might add: it was a deliberate exaggeration intended to make a point. Sorry if I was too subtle.

      I believe in copyright as well. It's the law, and badly implemented as it may be it is the law. But copyright enforcement is not a legitimate function of law enforcement. A copyright holder, if he feels his rights are being infringed upon, is the one that may seek redress through the courts. And if the court agrees with the rightsholder, enforcement action may be taken. That is the law, and that's the way it has worked for a very long time. The police (of any kind) are not permitted to take punitive measures without judicial involvement.

      However, pre-emptive enforcement, as desired by the various entertainment executives with their file-sharing lawsuits and their repeated attempts to mandate strict DRM in commercial products, is simply outrageous. Furthermore, the successful conscription of Federal bureaucracy to help with the "policing" of copyright is more than outrageous, it is unnerving and a bad precedent. Ashcroft himself has determined that Federal resources should be devoted to protecting Hollywood and the RIAA. And that's no scare tactic.

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  15. I will never understand this. by kerrle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why would anyone annouce this without having the product? I'm not saying that they do or don't have a product, I'm just completely blown away when people announce products that don't exist and expect to somehow profit from them.

    1. Re:I will never understand this. by Anita+Coney · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a VERY common scam. People do this to get other rich people interested in investing. The point is not to take those investments and actually create a viable product. The point is to spend the investments and leave town when they dry up.

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  16. The clues by saddino · · Score: 4, Interesting

    to the ripoff were so overwhelming, that its amazing they managed to scam so many news organizations. From almost identical function key hints in the title bar, to similar boot strings to the ridiculous idea of someone "getting tired of carrying two laptops" and writing CherryOS as a work-around, can anyone, really, truly be surprised?

  17. Re:And??? by gsfprez · · Score: 5, Informative

    if they removed any of the copyright information from the souce code files, and if they don't release the source code or make it available to the public, then they are in violation of the GPL.

    you're incorrect about naming provisions... GPL is a license, and to use copyrighted GPL code, you need to attribute the copyright holder. You may distribute/use/modify, etc... however, the original code must still be attributed to the copyright holder.

    Once again - .... THE GPL USES COPYRIGHT, IT DOES NOT IGNORE COPYRIGHT.

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  18. This is just priceless... by ccharles · · Score: 3, Funny

    From TFSummary:

    CherryBS continues

  19. With a little luck by Dorsai65 · · Score: 5, Funny

    he may lose his Cherry - say, in prison?

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  20. In other news... by k4_pacific · · Score: 5, Funny

    Allegations are surfacing that "Windows 2000" which runs at 80% the speed of Windows NT on the X86 platform, is in fact not built on top of an X86 emulator and runs directly on the hardware.

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    Unknown host pong.
  21. Re:And??? by KH · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Um, the CherryOS folks were selling it as a proprietary software. No source, not free as beer.. Wouldn't that be wrong, assuming that its origin was PearPC?

  22. My site was one of the 1st to bring this to light by adzoox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I did an article on my jackwhispers website about this.

    I was one of the first to point this out and MANY of the PearPC forums respondents replied to me in email and told me about all the links within this article. (One of them is quite startling - about Arben having downloaded PearPC)

    There are a few other insights at the link above.

    Sorry to whore my own site, but I almost think it should be linked here too because I added a little political UNcorrectness to the mix.

    Why the Cherry or The Pear May Be Apple's Next Lemon

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  23. I need a drink by goates · · Score: 5, Funny

    I like this quote:

    "If it isn't, it will ruin my reputation," he said. "I will end up as a bartender. I do not want to be a bartender."

    Can I get mine shaken, not stirred?

    1. Re:I need a drink by JofCoRe · · Score: 2, Informative

      This was one of my favorites:

      Kryeziu said the CherryOS site was often unresponsive because of attacks from crackers and traffic. The site was unavailable most of Thursday because a cracker changed administrator passwords and key settings, he said.

      "It's getting hacked like crazy," he said


      So they're admitting that they don't know how to secure their web server very well then? Cuz I've run a number of web servers, and it's really not that hard to keep them from "getting hacked like crazy".
      <obligatory MS bash>Well, assuming you're not using IIS, that is...</obligatory MS bash>

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  24. Re:And??? by Abcd1234 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, if the response to the initial accusations had been "Yup, you're right, it's based off of PearPC and we're going to release our code right away", no one would care (for example, see the TransGaming work with WINE... a slightly different, though similar situation (different because the TransGaming code base is from the MIT-licensed version of WINE)). However, they've repeatedly denied that their code is based off of PearPC, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, making it pretty obvious that they don't plan to comply with the GPL (assuming they release anything in the first place).

  25. Re:variables with the same names..... by saddino · · Score: 5, Funny
    Huh? I always use it for my loops:

    for(long SPIRO_MULTIMAX_3000 = 0; SPIRO_MULTIMAX_3000 < 256; i++) {
    • ...
    }

    C'mon now, doesn't everybody?
  26. Re:from the borrows-code-without-asking dept. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    from the no-shit-sherlock dept.

  27. Re:variables with the same names..... by saddino · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, yeah, I post-incremented "i"...I guess it shows you how hard it is to even fake using that stupid variable name. :-)

  28. SPIRO MULTIMAX 3000 by wsock32.dll · · Score: 5, Funny

    From now on every piece of code I write is going to have a variable named SPIRO MULTIMAX 3000!

    1. Re:SPIRO MULTIMAX 3000 by d_jedi · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm going to use SPIRO_MULTIMAX_6000. TWICE as good!

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    2. Re:SPIRO MULTIMAX 3000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      i will use spiro multimax 1000 and claim it's the original see you in court!

    3. Re:SPIRO MULTIMAX 3000 by theparanoidcynic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, hey. Anyone who can't understand that is_a_wiccan_midget being true means invalid input doesn't deserve to be working on my code. ;)

      Also, nobody ever has to work on it but me, so as long as it works . . . . . .

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  29. Text of debunking by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 5, Informative

    All,

    To see the update from October 16th, click here.

    To see the update from October 17th, click here.

    I did a little investigating on CherryOS and I made several startling discoveries beyond its amazing similarity to PearPC. First, the individual who first posted on [H]ard|Forum about being given a "beta" test of CherryOS (that is, Dag33k), is in fact the same person as the alleged author of CherryOS, Arben Kryeziu. Interestingly, on HardForum Dag33k posted a link to the developer's response (alias: ArbenK) on the PearPC form. I have pretty sufficient evidence to suggest that these two people are one in the same. Look at the registration dates for Dag33k's account and Sourceforge's account for ArbenK. Coincidence?

    HardForum's user information:

    Sourceforge's user information:

    Both dates, of course, are 2003-05-05.

    Things get even more interesting, when we trap Arben Kryeziu in another lie. On the PearPC forum, he claims he doesn't speak any Albanian, as we see here:

    But then strangely, earlier this year Arben (same screen name: arbishco) posted an Albanian translation for PJ IRC.

    Now the shit really hits the fan. I started searching though his network of sites starting from bumpnetworks.com and found something even more interesting. If he's ripping off PearPC and violating the GPL, this is not the first time he's violated the GPL. On his bumpnetworks.com site, he has a link to piece of software he claims to have written, PdfConv (Link to image of description on website).

    Now, as you'll see in the circled text, he claims it's based on Xpdf and VeryPDF. I went to VeryPDF and found their application PDF2HTML. Sure enough the product was GPL licensed and the source code is freely available (As seen in the following image). I downloaded trials of both to see how much different PdfConf was from PDF2HTML.

    To Arben's credit, the interface is different from PDF2HTML, but identical in all other functions. The output from the same PDF file was almost identical. The only difference was that he took the time to remove the copyright notices from the generated html files. (As seen in this example graphical diff produced by WinMerge.) His output is on the left, PDF2HTML's output is on the right. Notice the only difference is the removal of the copyright notice.

    I don't know if Arben changed any of PDF2HTML's code, but if he did, I'm not very confident he respected the GPL. From this, I have pretty good reason he is again disrespecting the GPL by pawning PearPC off as his own application. Finally, to summarize some other troublesome aspects regarding Arben, I found this slashdot post:

    Sorry for all the inline images. I found this detective work fascinating, and I think its clear that Arben is perpetrating a fraud and that he personally has no respect for the GPL.

    October 16th update:

    I sent an email to Arben with a link to this page and a request to honor PearPC's GPL. This is the response I received:

    From: CherryOS Team [mailto:mail@cherryos.com]
    Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 3:18 AM
    To: 'Dean Beeler'
    Subject: RE: PearPC is GPL (via Web form)

    Hi Dean,

    I am already talking to the PearPC.net webmaster, he will receive the trial as one of the first - because he treated us with respect and an open mind. I will let PearPC test the @#$@ out of CherryOS so you guys can try to prove your points. As you can see I have another product called www.vx30.com, and believe me I am not a person who wants to loose all his reputation. If you contact VeryPDF and ask them about our relationship - he will tell you that there was never one problem and I respected his rights and requests as soon they where submitted to me. I even can send you the communication between us.

    I will and am respecting the PearPC GPL and the PearPC community! If people wont like the CherryOS emulation, then trash me then. If people don't want to purchase, they can use

  30. Re:And??? by Paralizer · · Score: 2, Informative

    The article says:
    The complex system was ostensibly written in four months by Kryeziu alone, who claims it performs at about 80 percent of the speed of the PC host's hardware.

    So he is saying he wrote the entire program.

    The GNU GPL http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html says:
    2.a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change.

    It goes without saying if he claims to have written it he did not include this information, and he is in violation of the license in which PearPC was released.

    I, and this is just my opinion here, interpret the GPL as encouraging developers to take others ideas to a new level, not stealing their code in attempt to make a profit.

  31. more license violations by hubertf · · Score: 4, Interesting
    See here for details on another Open Source license violation. In this case, the copyright holder's name and license was removed against the license. Rumours say that latest versions of the software are still based on the ripped-off version.



    - Hubert

  32. Re:And??? by Paralizer · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's utterly false. Every distribution gives credit to the base system GNU and the Linux kernel. You sir, are not up on your facts.
    http://www.kernel.org/ and http://www.gnu.org/ are good places to start.

  33. Re:variables with the same names..... by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Funny

    psst, use this code I ripped from PearOS and you'll be cool: #define SPIRO_MULTIMAX_3000 i

  34. Proof the GPL isn't business-friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    As a business owner, this just confirms what I've always felt about the GPL: it is anti-capitalist and prevents people from owning their own property. Who knows how much or how little code may have been taken; it could just be a few trivial routines. Nonetheless, the viral GPL license means that the many improvements this man has no doubt made no longer belong to him, but instead must be forced into the public domain under the provision's of the GPL. I'll never license my code under the GPL, and I encourage everyone who cares about freedom to do the same.

    1. Re:Proof the GPL isn't business-friendly by c.ecker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hold on now, I think what Anonymous Coward meant to say was that the GPL wasn't software-monopoly steal-someone-else's-software then-release-buggy-software charge-arm-and-a-leg screw-the-consumer then-coerce-upgrades friendly.

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  35. I would not be surprised to see... by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Funny

    that SCO or MS will shortly come out backing Cherry and offering to fund it as well?

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  36. This is why I would love /.TV by DeepFried · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wish there was a /.TV channel so that this would play out in a 60minutes style camera ambush on this guy.

    We have seen the forum equivalent of that ambush but it is just not the same as watching this guy squirm as he is caught in his many lies.

    DF

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  37. Breach of the GPL contract??? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 4, Interesting
    One second here -- time to feed the troll -- how can you "steal" GPL'd code? The only breach of contract I can see is that he provided a copy to Wired without including full source modifications to PearPC, which it is obviously based upon (variable names like that do not crop up by coincidence). Making copies of GPL'd software is not pirating in any sense of the word (even the RIAA sense), and thus making copies is completely legal, and even encouraged by the license. What the parent post was stating is that either a) he gets sued for not complying with the PearPC license, or b) he complies, and everyone can distribute the source code to his software for free. It is indeed a lose-lose situation for him.

    On another note, it appears he's trying for an SCO style attack, where he repeats things so many times that people start to think that it must be true... and he's probably counting on the PearPC folks not having enough money to fight him in court. That's if he's actually planning to release his modified copy, to anyone but the press, which is also in question.

    knowing a bit about PPC/x86 code translation and cross-platform emulation, and also knowing others who are currently working on many emulation projects, I can safely say that 80% performance is pretty much impossible in what he is doing. First off, you have little-endian vs. big endian architectures to deal with; then you have to also factor in OS overhead, memory management translation, processor-unique opcodes that must have their logic translated to a different meme, incompatible register types, etc. The PearPC guys did an excellent job of overcoming all these hurdles, but as anyone who has used PearPC knows, routing around the obstacles comes with a massive performance hit. If he said that CherryOS took an 80% performance hit and that a technology beta was going to be released soon, he would at least be talking in the realms of remote possibility.

    I hope he likes bartending, or that the poor fool whose name he's possibly been using finds out what he's been up to before it is too late.

  38. Yes, don't we all use that? by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Funny

    When I'm thinking of variable names my mind often turns to thoughts of Spiro Agnew. And then of course, he was developing Cherry OS so thoughts immediatley turn to the movie Cherry 2000 and if a sequel (obviosuly named Cherry 3000) would be released.

    Then you come to the thought that this method is muti to the max, and out pops SPIRO MULTIMAX 3000 right in the middle of your code. I must have that happen several times a day myself, and I don't even work with code that has anything to do with cherries - I just find them a tasty snack.

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  39. Phish and chips? by cheeseguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now this is what I call one sophisticated phishing scheme. They managed to get otherwise smart people knowledgeable about technology to hand over their personal info in the hopes of getting something most of them would admit sounds too good to be true. I wonder how many of the same people responded to the "email veerification request" messages claiming to be credit card companies. In my mind any company that has not proven anything in the real world is sure as sh*t not getting anything from me. I'd be curious how many people actually signed up on their website for the pre-release of the software.

  40. Check out this article on him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Technology with Aloha, some how I find that he is not quite the genius that everyone makes him out to be. He single handly, by himself, created his own video/audio codecs.

    Does anyone else some how find that his VX30 might be a rip off of the ogg theora java port. The fact that its listed on this site, right next to the java port of ogg theora is fishy..

  41. Pattern developing? by Featureless · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I hate to say this, but I am starting to see a pattern here.
    1. Find successful, interesting, or promising open-source/free-software product.
    2. Steal that product's code.
    3. Get your "new" commercial/pseudo-commercial/"subscription coerced" project covered on Slashdot
    4. Profit!!!!
    And the sick fact is, this moneymaking scheme works. How much money do you think "CherryOS" has made since /. linked to it? Not much by some standards, but certainly something! Now, how much did they spend to make it? How much profit?
  42. This raisesa question I have about the GPL! by Mr.+Cancelled · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And I'm not a die-hard "Everything must be by the book!" type-a guy, but what's to prevent some a-hole, which this Arben does appear to be shaping up as, from abusing the hell outta the GPL by copying, stealing, and selling the source of a GPL project as their own?

    Yes, we do have the world-renowned "Slashdot Effect", which may cost him or her a little with their hosting company, but what other ramifications does the average GPLer hope for in cases such as this (profiting from GPL'd code without giving credit or $$ to the actual creators)?

    I suppose that if the problem were big enough, one might hope for some support from the EFF, and perhaps there's some other well-intending lawyers for the bigger GPL cases, but I see little to actually deal with some of guys like this. If I call up his local police, they'll be laughing at me all the way to the donut shop, not running over to arrest him and charge him with violating the GPL.

    And the worst part of this, in my view, is that the average consumer isn't a geek, and so losers like this can still make money off them since they aren't privy to this "elite geek knowledge", as we obviously are. You and me can laugh tomorrow about how CherryOS is appearing to be every bit the fake that we all thought it was last week when it hit the boards, but the average guy who just wants to run that cool OSX on his $300 PC isn't going to be privy to this kinda news. So ol' Arben's still likely to make a nice bit of money off these people before disapearing with some easy cash (potentially, of course - There's no smoking gun showing that CherryOS is a fake yet to my knowledge).

    So other than losing a few potential sales to us geeks, and getting a bad rap in the nerd pools around the world, is that all this guy can expect? Certainly the average GPL code writer's not going to have the knowhow or money to go after an anonymous name who could be anywhere in the world.

    Does this kinda thing happen a lot? I can see where someone could likely get away with this and make some nice cash if they were to avoid very visible, and geeky products such as this. I mean... If I'm writing closed-source IVR software in Russia, and I just repackage a bunch of open source code as my own, what's the odds that anyone would notice? Now... Stealing a product as new, and with as big of "WOW" factor as PearPC takes some big balls, or a lot of stupidity, but for a lot of smaller, or less public projects, it wouldn't surprise me to find this was happening more often than people want to know about.

    And for that matter, what's to prevent all the entepreneurs(sp?) out there reading this story from doing this? I can see at least one Slashdot reader going "It's just the GPL, and it looks like it's easy money! I'll just register me a fake domain, erase some copyrights and come up with a logo, and voila! I'm ready to start selling me my new Internet browser "FireWolf" for a nice profit"?

    Sorry if this is a well known thing... I tend to avoid philosophic discussions on the GPL as often it's a lot of flaming, and little real knowledge, but this is a question I've always wondered, yet have never seen definatively answered.

  43. Deja Vue? by stevey · · Score: 5, Informative

    The first thing I thought when I read the original /. story was that it sounded like Project David all over again.

    Project David was allegedly an entirely new way of running Windows applications on Linux, covered on slashdot here which was suspiciously similar to the Wine project...

  44. Re:And??? by moonbender · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Black ops helicopters come at night and you and your family are shot. Or so I've heard. That might have been rumours, though.

    Actually, nothing happens in the first place. If the original copyright holders know about it, they might initiate legal action. If you violate the GPL, you're typically redistributing without complying with the GPL. The GPL grants special rights to redistribute under certain conditions; without the GPL redistribution is copyright violation or something similar. That's the beauty of it - if you think the GPL is unfair and invalid for some reason, that's cool, you don't have to work with it, but the default rules without the GPL are a lot stricter.

    Several companies (e.g. Belkin) have been coerced into releasing the source and complying with the GPL under threat of legal action, but as far as I know there has not yet been a legal challenged fought to the end. It very much is a matter of financial power, I guess, at least in the U.S. There are organisations and funds who can help the GPL developer in need, e.g. notably the FSF, which fights for the GPL of those projects whose copyrights were assigned to the FSF.

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  45. Re:Who's Derek Smart? by onco_p53 · · Score: 3, Informative

    A simple search would have answered that... http://www.werewolves.org/~follies/

  46. We were USED! by lilmouse · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Didn't anyone read the original post? Didn't anyone notice? We were USED! He wanted to get slashdotted! He wanted our hits! We were a stress test!

    The "CherryOS" was just a blind to get the /. crowd to hit his servers.

    We've been had.

    That raises the question. Now what?

    --LWM

  47. The surprise is on us. by Mulletproof · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When did we start modding "I told you so" posts insightful again? Maybe if there was some content, or even a link to an "I told you so" post, but this? BTW, I remember thinking to myself "Wow, the Ge6600 is going to be a great budget graphics card" when I first heard about it.

    Glad to see my expectations were maintained. Mod me up, please.

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  48. Once upon a time.. by Mr2cents · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There once was a time when journalists asked questions instead of quoting press releases..

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  49. What I wonder is by wvitXpert · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Assuming that he never actually accepts orders for CherryOS, is he still guilty of infringment?

  50. I [heart] /. by sczimme · · Score: 4, Insightful


    "I'm very excited about the prospect of monkeys flying out of UrgleHoth's nether eye," said Dr. Dew. "I'm just glad they're not going to fly out of mine."

    Only on /. would a post about nether-monkey-flight be modded to +5, Insightful. That, my friends, is the beauty of free speech.

    /Kidding
    /Or am I?

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    1. Re:I [heart] /. by HughsOnFirst · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Only on /. would a post about a post about nether-monkey-flight be modded to +5, Insightful.
      That, my friends, is the beauty of free speech.

    2. Re:I [heart] /. by Thing+1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Only on /. would a post about a post about a post about nether-monkey-flight be modded to +5, Insightful.
      That, my friends, is the beauty of recursion.

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    3. Re:I [heart] /. by balster+neb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Only on /. would a post about a post about a post about a post about nether-monkey-flight and the beauty of recursion be modded to +5, Insightful.
      That, my friends, is the beauty of Slashdot.

      Now mod this insightful, please.

    4. Re:I [heart] /. by shiftless · · Score: 5, Funny

      On on /. would a post about a ... ah fuck it, just give me my free karma!!

  51. Letter I sent CherryOS last week by davidwr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My letter to the CherryOS people, dated 5 days ago:

    ----cut here------
    I'm interested in Cherry OS but I need to know how well it stacks up against
    PearPC (http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/ and http://www.pearpc.net/).

    Two questions in particular:

    1) what are the advantages and disadvantages of Cherry OS vs. PearPC? At a
    minimum, I'd expect ease of installation, ease of use, and customer service to
    be higher in a commercial product.
    2) does Cherry OS use any PearPC code?

    The latter is particularly important, because
    1) I need to know if security vulnerabilities are likely to be common to both
    products or are likely to be different.
    2) Using widely-used open-source software in a commercial product is a
    competitive advantage for you, in that bugs are more likely to be found and
    fixed quicker.

    If your product is based on PearPC, please note that, as with Linux, if I find
    I use an open-source program heavily and come to depend on up-to-date
    maintenance, I'm willing to pay for it.

    I do expect that if your product uses any open-source code, you are complying
    with the licenses. In the case of PearPC, this is the GNU Public License, the
    same lincense that made wildly-successful companies like RedHat and SuSE (now
    part of Novell) to earn billions of dollars.

    Oh, congradulations on being Slashdotted. Even though it was a minor
    inconvenience for you, it is a badge of honor.
    ----cut here------
    Well, looks like I gave them the benefit of the doubt and they betrayed me. Sigh.

    Thankfully, it looks like I was wrong about the "minor" inconvenience. The light of day scares the roaches away.

    If only they'd come out and said "PearPC free, technical support and priority bug fixes, $50" that might sell.

    CherryOS is down at the moment, here's Google's Cache. Enjoy.

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  52. That's a MLM[oron] by b374 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This guys even built a 10 levels MLM scheme for that Gaim ripoff... I wonder if the ads would irritate me more or the people trying to convince me to join the MLM...

  53. how many closed-source PIRATES are there? by h00manist · · Score: 3, Insightful


    this all brings to question: how many closed source companies live only from ripping off open source? hiding the traces, adding some stuff, releasing wondrously written self-serving press releases, where they denigrate open source and claim their own 'ingenuity and briliiance'?

    who's really checking on them?


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  54. Just read from the PearPC devel list... by Boltronics · · Score: 2, Informative
    "EIN GEBUESCH" apparently shows up during the CherryOS 1.0 MacOS X boot process. Sebastian Biallas (lead PearPC developer) confirmed that this was a made-up name used by him to describe the emulated hard disk model. It has been used in PearPC for at least a year, and is probably considered the most significant evidence to date of CherryOS being PearPC repackaged.

    FYI, in the same thread Alex Crouzen writes:
    AFAIK it's a reference to "A Shrubbery!" from the Monty Python movie The Quest for the Holy Grail.

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  55. Exaggeration by Pan+T.+Hose · · Score: 2, Funny

    This two programs are completely different. I think you are all comparing pears to cherries.

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  56. Parent was not Offtopic by Colazar · · Score: 2, Informative
    Bing is a variety of cherry.

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  57. There's more than one way to name a variable by Specks · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Wired - Sebastian Ballas, PearPC's lead developer, said a screenshot of CherryOS shows a variable named "SPIRO MULTIMAX 3000," a nonsensical term Ballas claims to have invented for use in PearPC.

    "It is absolutely unlikely that someone uses exactly this name for the same purpose," he said. "The way he (Kryeziu) is lying is making me angry."

    When told that variables with the same names had been found in both CherryOS and PearPC, Kryeziu said programming logic often leads to variables and functions with similar, or identical, names. "There are some functionalities that can only be done a certain way," he (Arben) said. "Names are going to be similar or identical because there are only certain ways to do things."
    Arben should be in politics. He went around that accusation with the deftness of a Senator. There's more than one way to name a variable and its doubtfull that he could have come up with the same "nonsensical" term as Ballas did for the same thing. This alone makes it obvious that the code in CherryOS was taken from PearOS. Now that Arben has been alerted to the fact that everyone knows he'll probably chenge the names of the functions. It's easy for someone to change the function names in a program, its called search and replace.

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  58. MXS - SCO Link? by atlantis191 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The link between MXS and SCO is uncanny. They both are 1. Acronym Companies 2. Making accusations that they can't back up 3. Deny lying 4. Have been proven lying 5. Have a front man (McBride and Kryeziu)

  59. "Way slow" by Trejkaz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Favourite quote (paraphrased?) from a recent article: "Cherry OS is nothing like PearPC. PearPC is way slow."

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  60. Re:So the real question is ..... by toddestan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can PearPC run OS X at 80% speed?

    Well, a very nicely equipped PC could probably run OS X 80% as fast as a low end G3. If that's what you meant.

  61. Re:variables with the same names..... by LinuxOnHal · · Score: 2, Funny

    Because ints are for pussies...didn't you get that memo?

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  62. Let's make sure I've got this straight by Cereal+Box · · Score: 4, Insightful
    OK, let's see if I can keep my Slashdot double standards straight here:

    1. Digital information, such as music and movie files, are nothing but a sequence of bits that can be infinitely reproduced without degradation. Therefore, you can't "steal" said files, only duplicate them. No one gets hurt, right?
    2. Source code is nothing but a sequence of bits that can be infinitely reproduced without degradation, so you can't "steal" source code either, right?


    It's funny that point number two is just as true as point number one, but everyone on Slashdot seems to forget that when someone "steals" open source code. Well, I say if the music companies get no sympathy for people "stealing" their music, then open source coders deserve no sympathy for people "stealing" their code. "Get a better business model", right?
    1. Re:Let's make sure I've got this straight by borgheron · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not everyone on slashdot is a pirate and only the most extreme hold the position you mentioned (the "music is just a stream of bits..." position).

      I, for instance, am a free software developer and I hate it when people pirate music. Because it makes us all look bad and opens the door for overgeneralizing people, like yourself, who want to view the world in shades of black and white.

      GJC

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    2. Re:Let's make sure I've got this straight by B0mbtruck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This Arben dude took something that was free (as in beer as well as in speech) and tried/tries to sell it, claiming that he created it, when clearly he didn't.

      I don't see any of the Slashdot geeks claiming they sung "Hit me baby, one more time" or claim to be The Boss and make money off of them.

      By the way, nice try Arben. Too bad your strawman burnt so fast ...

    3. Re:Let's make sure I've got this straight by balster+neb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, there's a major difference. This CherryOS guy is claiming credit for someone else's work.

      The so called music and movie pirates redistribute data in violation of the license, but do not claim that it is their own work.

      In addition, he's actually trying to profit from it, which makes him different from those who share CD-ripped MP3s on Kazaa.

  63. That's great and all.. by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But ghost's functionality is NOT a difficult concept for any Unix. I mean, it's all UI and calling commands like fdisk, dd, gzip, etc.

    Why do you even need a program? Just tell someone to boot off a rescue CD and use DHCP, dd over the network to a server, what's the big deal?

    Mountain out of a molehill.

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    1. Re:That's great and all.. by hubertf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ... yet aparently some people can't rewrite it from scratch, but have to copy it. And if they don't give proper attribution then, that's bad, lame, and against the rules.

      - Hubert

  64. Question for the Slashdot crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, we're all up in arms because some guy stole GPL code (note the use of the word "taken" and "stole" used throughout the article and discussion).

    And yet, this attitude magically disappears in an MP3 or movie piracy article? Suddenly, THAT kind of piracy isn't "theft?" Honestly, what's the difference? In both cases, someone else's copyrighted materials are taken and used for their own purposes.

    I don't get the Slashdot double standard. Copyright only ever matters when some person's GPL code gets taken. Then, all the sudden people have morals. If you pirate movies and music, would you get up in arms if someone took your GPL code and did what they wanted without giving you credit? Would you realize how much of a hypocrite you'd be if you did?

    1. Re:Question for the Slashdot crowd by Per+Wigren · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Stealing GPL code is taking from the poor and giving to the rich. Reverse Robin Hood. Simple as that.

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    2. Re:Question for the Slashdot crowd by jonbrewer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And yet, this attitude magically disappears in an MP3 or movie piracy article? Suddenly, THAT kind of piracy isn't "theft?" Honestly, what's the difference?

      Easy. Piracy is different when you start selling pirated works online. I have no idea about the legal differences, but the moral implications are pretty clear to me.

    3. Re:Question for the Slashdot crowd by mpe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So, we're all up in arms because some guy stole GPL code (note the use of the word "taken" and "stole" used throughout the article and discussion).

      Probably because the person involved is a commercial pirate. In other words they are selling someone elses copyrighted work without permission.
      And yet, this attitude magically disappears in an MP3 or movie piracy article? Suddenly, THAT kind of piracy isn't "theft?"

      Typically these copies are not being sold.

      Honestly, what's the difference? In both cases, someone else's copyrighted materials are taken and used for their own purposes.

      the difference between pure copyright infringement and copyright infringement plus making money from the infringement.

    4. Re:Question for the Slashdot crowd by BorgDrone · · Score: 3, Informative

      And yet, this attitude magically disappears in an MP3 or movie piracy article? Suddenly, THAT kind of piracy isn't "theft?"

      The difference is, if I rip the newest britney spears CD (purely hypothetical example) and put it on the internet, I don't claim I was the artist.

    5. Re:Question for the Slashdot crowd by maxwell+demon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The most obvious difference is that this is not just unauthorized copy (i.e. "piracy"), but actually plagiarism. I don't think any open source or free software advocate would defend plagiarism.

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    6. Re:Question for the Slashdot crowd by jschottm · · Score: 3, Funny

      I can tell you're not a performer. There's a different than natural talent and being a good performer. Being an entertainer of Britney's level takes years of expensive lessons, hours of daily practice. I think her act is tripe, but I can respect the amount of effort she's put into herself.

      Programming on the other hand definitely requires a certain amount of cognitive exercise.

      Most programmers on the other hand, would be lost without standing on the backs of others - you say Britney can't write her own songs? Could you write your own compiler and libraries?

    7. Re:Question for the Slashdot crowd by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Copyright infringement denies the creator's the ability to earn a living...

      Copyright itself has done more to deny a creator the ability to earn a living. It has given publishers too much power over distribution. It is being used to criminalize the very tools creators need to distribute their works cheaply. It is being used to keep other tools out of reach by making them needlessly expensive. Copyright is not about creators. It's about publishers. Creators are being duped into taking up the fight for the publishers. One reason might be because they(creators) think that they can't make their living without the publishers(distributors). Creators should be more careful with the contracts they sign.

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  65. More GPL Infringement from VX30 by drcobb · · Score: 3, Informative

    On their site they also list another product called Ad-Stats which is a doctored version of phpAdsNew complete with screen shots which identicaly match phpAdsNew interface, again with no copyright attribution. The preferences settings are all identical, the general layout is unchanged, except the graphics have been doctored a bit and a whole lot of prompts have been slightly renamed from 'campaign' to 'clip'. Way to go.

  66. Re:Un-possible! by borgheron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, if you were paying attention, the Church-Turing thesis is not what's being challenged. That thesis mentions nothing about the speed of emulation. It's the CherryOS "author's" claims of 80% of the speed of the host CPU which are preposterous.

    All Church-Turing actually talks about is the ability to translate any Program into a Turing machine and to transform any Turing machine into a program. :)

    PearPC emulates PPC on ix86 hardware, but it is very slow even with JIT compilation. Many emulation companies spend YEARS getting the emulation up to acceptable/usable levels.

    GJC

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  67. In civilised countries... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Piracy is different when you start selling pirated works online.

    In civilised countries, piracy *begins* when you start selling the works. That's what piracy *is*.

    Copyright infringement without monetary gain is just called "copyright infringement".

    1. Re:In civilised countries... by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Informative
      Actually, piracy begins when you commit violent actions on the high seas. It's copyright infringement whether or not you make a profit.

      In this case I think the real moral difference comes when you represent someone else's work as your own, not whether you make money from it.

  68. UPDATE - THE TRUTH ABOUT HIS PROJECTS! by wurakeem · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apparently, Arben Kryeziu is really no deveoper of any kind.
    As people already suspected, he stole the PearPC code for CherryOS, he most likely stole Java code for his VX streamer (see posts above). And now I have reason to suspect that he also did not develop the bumpnetworks.com website.
    He posted an outsourcing bid for one of his web site developments (bumpnetworks.com?). Search on that page for the string "Hello Arben Kryeziu" and "Hello Bumpnetworks" to confirm this. Now scroll to the winner's bid (will say "AWARDED" on the left). His location Donetsk, UA (Ukraine -> Russia). Now, go to bumpnetworks.com and follow the menu: "Company -> Partnerships." You will discover Site-Mechanics to be a partner. Go there and visit their clientele references. You will notice that most of the clients and work done was in Russia(n). Could it be that that guy developed bumpnetworks.com (and many other)?

    That leaves us with the original question: what did he really develop or did he "outsource and share code" (LOL) for everything. He seems to be good at talking the language of "the suits" and seems to be better at being a manager than doing the actual work.

    Well here is the answer, which is also my GRAND FINALE!!!
    if you visit his Elance Feedback profile and scroll all the way to the end you will notice TWO bids he put up:
    #1 "Web Programming pdf to html conversion Beaux US$1,500.00"
    AND...
    #2 "Application Development PowerPC Emulator comsdev US$2,700.00"

    If you visit both bids (bid 1 and bid 2 you will notice that he actually paid OTHER teams at Elance.com to do the dirty work for him.

    I have very strong reason to suspect that he never wrote ANY part of any code of any kind! Instead, the people that actually STOLE the code from PearPC and PDF2HTML (read to verify) are the actual perpetrators!!!
    How come nobody else established this connection?!

    W.