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TorrentBits.org and SuprNova.org Go Dark
Numerous people wrote in with similar stories: "Without providing a reason, both of these sites have shut down: SuprNova.org and TorrentBits.org." We mentioned a few days ago that the MPAA was going after Bittorrent sites.
Exeem, anybody?
I really can't imagine neither of these sites would say something naughty about the MPAA if they would be the reason the sites has to shut down, so what *could* the reason be ?
Simple bandwidth usage or server load ? To me, that looks like about the only option left, and sounds very plausible after reading Suprnova's message...
It's all very very weird, especially both sites going down at the same time...
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How am I going to watch Enterprise now? No TV channel in Norway sends it, nor do they have any plans to send it. I buy the DVDs. I watch the movies. And then they fuck people over by removing my only way of watching it before it comes to DVD?
And, no, I don't have access to Swedish channels.
But I just bought my suprnova.org t-shirt!
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Greetings everybody, As you have probably noticed, we have often had downtimes. This was because it was so hard to keep this site up! But now we are sorry to inform you all, that SuprNova is closing down for good in the way that we all know it. We do not know if SuprNova is going to return, but it is certainly not going to be hosting any more torrent links. We are very sorry for this, but there was no other way, we have tried everything. Thank you all that helped us, by donating mirrors or something else, by uploading and seeding files, by helping people out on IRC and on forum, by spreading the word about SuprNova.org. It is a sad day for all of us! Please visit SuprNova.org every once in a while to get the latest news on what is happening and if there is anything new to report on. As we wish to maintain the nice comunity that we created, we are keppig forums and irc servers open. Thank you all and Goodbye! sloncek & the rest of the SuprNova Team
Well they have the notices on their site. It looks like they either got a letter or a visit. http://www.torrentreactor.net/ is still up. A very well crafted letter from a laywer will really put some threats on people. Sounds like this is what happened.
I think they are getting way too many members to cope with at the moment (with TB and suprnova going down). They got about 15,000 in 12 hours (went from 140,000 last night to 155,000 this morning when I checked).
This is going to be a huge issue for all the new/small torrents sites - how do they work with the load that millions of new users demand?
BTW: If you have an IRC client, you can join #bt, #bt-gm and #tvtorrents on efnet. #bt and #tvtorrents serves TV show torrents and #bt-gm serves torrents for games and movies.
Since it's IRC it stands a somewhat better chance of surviving.
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Is it possible they brought their web pages down on purpose in order to create a little hype and maybe some panic amongst Torrent users. Then in a week or two they will release that new P2P file sharing program the have had in beta for a while? Seems like a good enough marketing campaign as a lot of Torrent users are students, or kids, and Slashdot may not be their source of information, though this story did find itself on the front page.
You'll read that they have both given up and shut their doors to torrent hosting. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but when two of the biggest torrent link sites go down very close in time to one another, I'm guessing there was a sweep of cease and decist letters. Guess its true about the "The bigger they are" hypothesis
ok.. so heads you lose tails I win. right?
I just checked it a few minutes ago. It took about a minute to load on my cable modem, so I assume it's just being swamped.
Taken from here
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AT LAST!
I've got a chance to reply to some of these rumours and wild speculation!
(YES - this is going to be one of the Puppy's long boring posts,
but if you don't read it all, don't bother replying - NO CRIB NOTES AVAILABLE)
Firstly, I have to say,
I am extremely dissapointed with the response from some of the members of the TB community.
Scare-mongering and spreading rumours is not the most helpful thing to do in a situation like this!
I know everyone is unhappy about it, but don't burn your bridges with insults or by playing the blame game!
Secondly,
I am extremely delighted with the reponse form some of the members of the TB community.
Members like DeeJee, and Warlok, who are trying to keep us all together,
to get the correct information out. There are probably more that I don't know about yet....
and all those working behind the scenes.... Thanks guys
OK lets get down to it.
A few facts:-
- I am extremely sad to report, that I have just found out that, TB, as we know it, is DEAD.
- The full reason why Rb choose to close down is still not yet known
- Rb was "on holiday" when the site went down, and is in no position to put it back up again,
or explain anything, until he gets back
- There was a Ddos attack - After the site went down!
One more fact:-
Nobody, REPEAT, nobody, except Redbeard knows what Redbeard is planning to do.
Keep watching torrentbits.org for a statement.
It's the ONLY place to get the full facts
Use www.lokitorrent.com from now on. It's just as good as suprnova.org was.
Also, check out it's sister site: www.mufftorrent.com
Now talking in #suprnova.org
Topic is 'SuprNova is from today on DOWN. It will not be returning in any way that we know it now. We are very sorry for this, but it is not possible any other way. Thank you all for all your help! SuprNova crew '
* Set by sloncek on Sun Dec 19 16:08:10
I knew it was serious as sloncek is the owner of SN and doesn't fool about with the topics much (unless its April 1st).
The thing that affects me most is that we at TLMP get a large portion of our traffic for Linux ISO torrents from SuprNova's listings.
Anyway, there are other sites, and much like when SR was taken down a couple of years ago, one of them will likely take the traffic and fill the void. Where there is demand, there is supply.
Anyone have any more information as to why this happened? Is it anything to do with the developement of Exeem? I can't see it being as simple as the MPAA taking legal action, as AFAIK they have little influence in Slovenia where it is hosted, and they have whethered alot of copyright group's actions fine until now....
She's built like a steak house, but she handles like a bistro....
the irc channel (#suprnova.org) on irc.suprnova.org is announcing that suprnova won't be coming back online
A big point many people miss -- trackers are what keep the torrents together. Indexers like SuprNova, although highly popular, do nothing but point people where to go.
It's like asking a bartender about the street corners where the girls hang out late at night. If he responsible for how you use the information; ie, if you engage in prostition?
It's a sad, sad day when information is made the scapegoat. If anything, they should be applauded, and kept as a means for getting to the real criminals.
"An infinite number of monkeys typing into GNU emacs would never make a good program."
People, please stop posting links to your favorite torrent site that is still up and kicking. They are already under tremendous pressure right now, and I don't want them to have any more attension brought to them. Those that are interested can find the sites themselves, so please, help save the few that are left and stop posting links.
This is terrible! Where will people get their movies now? Applications? Games? Let's just hope that SuprNova continues to develop the decentralized P2P bittorrent network they were talking about. Beta testing ended a few weeks ago, so perhaps we're getting close to a release candidate.
this is the same sort of thing that happened with the original Napster. Any sort of centralization is going to become an immediate target for MPAA/RIAA legal action. At least with BitTorrent there can be other sources for .torrent files, but so long as they can shut down any large repositories like suprnova.org, finding files will be too cumbersome for all but the most determined users.
DC++ seems to have the same weakness, with the hosts, but as long as host lists are legal, it will remain pretty easy to find new hosts. Gnutella seems pretty safe, but they've managed to pollute the network enough to make it almost unusable.
alas, it is only a matter of time before something comes along that perfects this problem and leaves the MPAA/RIAA with no option but to come up with a new business model. Free music seems to me to be a fine way to advertise a touring artist who is making money off of the shows. Movies may have to resort to product placement, or something.
Several bittorrent sites that I use have gone dead. The ones I miss the most are torrentbits and delirium vault.
People have said that these sites are closing voluntarily before they get raided. The site owners seem to have solid information about the raids. I doubt they'd close down without it.
The best community sites kept track of ratios to encourage people to upload. Suprnova didn't, but torrentbits did. Unfortunately, that means that the sites maintained databases of everything users downloaded.
Without those databases, the MPAA would have to join swarms and try to collect as many IPs as possible. With such a database, they could look up everything everyone had downloaded through that site.
So it was a very good thing that the site admins pulled the plug on those sites before the databases could be seized.
It seems likely to me that the old model of the bittorrent community site, which depended on such databases, is dead.
Perhaps some old cypherpunks could come up with a better way to incentivize users to share and participate in the community, without leaving data behind in a database. Maybe something with blind signatures, similar to a digital cash protocol.
But the old model is probably dead.
Having been a proud user of Bit Torrent for a few years now, I have witnessed the rise and fall of many torrent sites on the web. I remember a time when bytemonsoon was the major site with a large list of torrents, and suprnova was just a crappy site with an ok collection of torrents. At the time there were many torrent sites out there, some large with random files, others very specific to a certain type of file or even just a certain series. Inevitably though, bytemonsoon fell, leaving suprnova to rise from its ashes. With the fall of these major sites, I expect there to be a major increase in the usage of other, smaller sites, until finally one or two of these sites rise up to become the new leaders. Just as bytemonsoon was replaced with suprnova, and anime.mircx was replaced with downloadanime, boxtorrents, Project MAO, and Tokyo Toshokan, suprnova will be replaced as well. Hopefully, these new sites will be better than the last ones, but for now we must settle for what's around. Besides, there is always DC++, eMule, and IRC if you really can't find a new tracker you like :)
How's this for a solution to film piracy? 1. Forget chasing 'pirates'. This will save a lot of expensive legal bills. Cut back drastically on advertising too, as you don't need to whip people up into a frenzy to get them to theatres in the first week. 2. Make film (Citizen Kane 2: starring Adam Sandler or something). 3. Make a VCD cut and make unlabelled cheapo vcd's. Using the economies of scale, sell these so cheap that the guys selling pirate vcd will buy from you rather than burn their own copies. Your margin is the difference between a bulk pressed cd and a small scale burned copy. 4. Simultaneously sell the film as a download for the same price as you get for the vcd. ...wait a few weeks
5. Make a nicer, longer dvd cut of the film and, again, sell these so cheap that the guys selling pirate dvd will buy from you rather than burn their own copies.
6. Sell the dvd cut of the film online at the same price as the DVD wholesale price. .... wait some more
7. Theatre release of film in lovely THX/35mm
8. Boxed set dvd release with extra everything.
By doing this you make money from the guys currently selling 'pirated copies' of films and money from people who can't be bothered to find a torrent of your film. The money saved on lawyers and advertising would probably pay for setting up the servers.
At stage 3 you are the sole supplier of vcd of your film, it is uneconomic to burn copies so you own the market. People may share your film over the internet but the hassle of finding a torrent and/or running P2P software is competing against the paid download (4) which is priced as low as a blank cdr.
This is simple economics. Cut back on expensive things like lawyers and advertising, then put out bargain bin priced product to soak up the sales to misers and the poor. You can still make bigger margins on the nicely packaged versions to people who want to buy them.
They whose government reduces their essential liberties for temporary security, receive neither liberty nor security.
These sites really had it coming, frankly. While I'm concerned about corporate power, and less than thrilled with the modern media, they weren't trying to do anything about that - they were just plain illegal. Not in a recent way, either - they were ignoring the same copyright laws that protect the software I write, and the GPL so many here are so fond of.
I'd find it far easier to understand a site that restricted its self to things not otherwise availible than sites like these that appear to have no problem with full scale piracy. Yes, I realise that would still be illegal - but IMO rather less offensive.
I used to be a bit more sympathetic to this stuff, but I know too many people who view it as their RIGHT to access other people's work for free, without their permission. I guess its just another version of the "information wants to be free" zealotry (Free Software bigots who don't actually understand free software and usually hypocrites. The few, very loud ones that give the whole community a bad name to some.).
AC posts will be ignored.
Now - -1 flamebait me. You know you want to.
I find it hard to believe that they would not have issued warnings or other things of that nature if the issue was that bandwidth and all of that was becoming too expensive. Suprnova was incredibly popular with teh torrent community and they had to know that people would come to their aid.
I think it is possible that Suprnova and a number of these other sites reached an agreement with the MPAA or whoever was threating to sue them that they just disappear quiety into the night and they can save them self from a lawsuit.
It strikes me as odd that they would not heve mentioned it, but I can easily see the reason for this. If your the MPAA you have two options, either make an example of these sites so people are too scared to fuck with them, or just make them go bye bye. I think the first won't discourage enough people, because the law is on suprnova's side, so a number of people would rise up just to defy the MPAA and take up the cause. However, if the MPAA were to tell suprnova that in order to avoid a lawsuit they need to tell people that the site was just too much work, it prevents them from being martyrs and other people won't be so quick to jump in and fill the vacum left.
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Man, I'm so unbelievably relieved that you guys are listing off virtually every torrent site in existence. Since obviously nobody at the MPAA would ever think to read Slashdot, it's totally obvious that you should post more torrent sites, including a mirror of one site that was apparently just forced to shut down. No need to be covert here!!
eg:
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the ultimate torrent search
are they going shut down google now ?
nick...
Electronic Music Made Using Linux http://soundcloud.com/polyp
Youceff is dead too, thanks to a raid by the French police. Phoenix torrents has killed itself.
LokiTorrent is still around, but who knows for how long?
Interestingly, Suprnova posted torrents for Firefox, Thunderbird and other legal software. They helped share the load for legal software developers, regardless of what warez was shared by their users.
All these sites will be sorely missed by many.
How's this for a solution to film piracy?
...wait a few weeks
.... wait some more
1. Forget chasing 'pirates'. This will save a lot of expensive legal bills. Cut back drastically on advertising too, as you don't need to whip people up into a frenzy to get them to theatres in the first week.
2. Make film (Citizen Kane: starring Adam Sandler or something).
3. Make a VCD cut and make unlabelled cheapo vcd's. Using the economies of scale, sell these so cheap that the guys selling pirate vcd will buy from you rather than burn their own copies. Your margin is the difference between a bulk pressed cd and a small scale burned copy.
4. Simultaneously sell the film as a download for the same price as you get for the vcd.
5. Make a nicer, longer dvd cut of the film and, again, sell these so cheap that the guys selling pirate dvd will buy from you rather than burn their own copies.
6. Sell the dvd cut of the film online at the same price as the DVD wholesale price.
7. Theatre release of film in lovely THX/35mm
8. Boxed set dvd release with extra everything.
By doing this you make money from the guys currently selling 'pirated copies' of films and money from people who can't be bothered to find a torrent of your film. The money saved on lawyers and advertising would probably pay for setting up the servers.
At stage 3 you are the sole supplier of vcd of your film, it is uneconomic to burn copies so you own the market. People may share your film over the internet but the hassle of finding a torrent and/or running P2P software is competing against the paid download (4) which is priced as low as a blank cdr.
This is simple economics. Cut back on expensive things like lawyers and advertising, then put out bargain bin priced product to soak up the sales to misers and the poor. You can still make bigger margins on the nicely packaged versions to people who want to buy them.
They whose government reduces their essential liberties for temporary security, receive neither liberty nor security.
What about all those folks who said at the last "SuprNova is going bye-bye" story that it couldn't be touched because it was somewhere in Europe where the MPAA can't reach them?
We can't really say this is the result of MPAA, can we? Can they "get" the folks related to suprnova.org if they are located in Belgium or Turkey or whereever?
I only post comments when someone on the internet is wrong.
That may be their plan, but I, and many SuperNova users I know, are migrating to Frost. Its based on Freenet, Open Source, and doesn't rely on any centralised website that can be shut down (for those of you that tried Freenet in the past and were disappointed, it has come a long way in recent weeks and months - so its probably time to give it another chance).
<sarcasm> Haven't you read the Constitution? It is your God-given right to obtain and distribute copyrighted works without the author's permission! Except when it comes to GPL'd software, of course. We hang motherfuckers who violate that shit. </sarcasm>
Let's face it. The majority of BitTorrent traffic is not strictly legal. What did you expect? The RIAA is going to try to protect its business.
See this newsgroup thread.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
BitTorrent is a great technology, and it has sped up many Linux ISO downloads I've had in the past. However, I think it is so funny the way people freak out over stuff like suprnova closing. "Where are we supposed to get our MP3s and warez now?!!"
I NEVER hear anything about usenet, and there are hundreds of gigabytes of stuff posted every single day. Nearly my entire MP3 and digital video collection (and actually just about everything else) has come from usenet. I don't understand why this seems to still be the great untapped resource? Especially nowadays with services like newzbin.com, it makes finding and downloading from usenet a real snap!
Just the other day I introduced my brother to usenet, and he couldn't believe what he had been missing for so long.
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I wouldn't automatically assume it was the fault of one of the recording industry groups ... it may be that suprnova.org simply couldn't afford their bandwidth costs any more. But until we hear more from the owners, we're all just guessing as to the cause.
Chip H.
... of the MAN trying to keep us down...
I'll miss SuprNova... A lot of good old tv there.
Kenny P.
Visualize Whirled P.'s
tvtorrents.net
btefnet.net
The MPAA and RIAA have little reason to go after them.
Look man, everyone knows he with the gold makes the rules.
So if you really want torrents to continue being available on the internet, and in general any kind of p2p activity to be available on the internet for US customers - then the following must happen.
1) You need to get some gold for your own lawyers. That is just the fact of the matter. It sure is nice to get all this free stuff, but as they say - there is no free lunch.
2) You need to get some gold for your lobbiest to the congress critters. They only know what the MPAA/RIAA mouths tell them. A politician basically knows only how to get elected, otherwise they would be doing something else.
3) You need to get politically motivated. You need that political organization named above. You need your own moveon.org to keep the membership active in letter/fax/email writing and informative campaigns.
Play time on the internet is over. It is time to grow up and realize politics, government, and all that corruption is part of the game now.
A big point many people miss -- trackers are what keep the torrents together. Indexers like SuprNova, although highly popular, do nothing but point people where to go.
It's like asking a bartender about the street corners where the girls hang out late at night. If he responsible for how you use the information; ie, if you engage in prostition?
The big point that you are missing (and most people running torrent trackers) is that if you have a reasonable suspicion that the information you are providing to someone is going to be used for criminal purposes then you are treading dangerously close to the definition of "conspiracy".
Let's take your example of the helpful bartender a bit further. You wander into a bar and over several drinks proceed to tell the bartender about your sleazy business partner and how he is cheating you. The bartender tells you that "he knows a guy" who can take care of your problem for a bundle of cash. You take the number he gives you, meet with a contract hit man, and pay him a wad on money so that your business partner meets a rather violent demise.
Is the bartender a participant in your conspiracy to commit murder? According to the law he is. A reasonalbe person would have no problem conecting the dots here and information that was provided had a purpose...
To drag this back in to the real world, you might want to take a look at how the law deals with flea markets and swap meets where counterfeit goods are being sold. The person organizing the swap meet can post as many signs as they want saying that they have no idea what you are selling and are only providing a place for people to put their goods on display, but the law treats that claim like the BS it truly is. The people running the torrent trackers know what is being provided and what their role in the game is, and if they try to claim that they are shocked that people are trading pirated music, software, and videos on these services they will be bitch-slapped by the law.
Just like every other time a website has gone down. Everyone flocks to the newsgroups and grabs what they need from there. I'll bet that the torrent newsgroups suddenly explode with traffic.
This is why when all else fails, I turn to the alt.binaries groups to find my VCDs, SVCDs, etc. Use an excellent free news reader like XNews, browse to alt.binaries and then filter the groups based on your keyword ("enterprise" or "simpsons" or whatever). Many of the most popular shows have their own groups. And even the less popular show up in alt.binaries.vcd, alt.binaries.svcd, etc.
I only post comments when someone on the internet is wrong.
I'd be glad to let you know that the commmunity created by torrentbits has really been strong. Now a temporary forum has been setup bustling with 2000 users so far. As well plans are taking shape for Torrentbits2. Well, its sad to see all the admins leave for real life. All you slashdotters know that life is underrated. As quoted from the forums ------- Yes... its soon gona be official... RB is preparing the TB main page now... TB is closed for good... It will not come back... Read up on TB mainpage in a short while and you will see for yourself... I know many is gona get sad about this fact but life goes on... Several other sites will prolly pick up the slack... I just wanna thank everyone involved for their time and dedication to TB and hope life treats you all well... Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all... /Helshad
Ps... Alright... I know many wanna know the reason for this but all I can say its private reasons... It has nothing to do with the rest of the world... in anyway whatsoever...
We simply dont have the time and dedication we once had... Life has changed for us and thus we felt it was time to end it... And if it makes you all feel better blame it all on me... I started the downfall... hehehe
No one said the MPAA shut them down. It was just only mentioned that these sites went offline around the same time it was announced the MPAA was going to start going after these types of sites.
suprnova however was not running a bittorrent tracker and had not for a very long time... chances are that most of the trackers that were linked to from the torrents on suprnova are still operational... all that's needed is a new way of sharing the meta info (.torrents)
still sad to see suprnova gone after all this time...
Get your torrents...
they are also down, without any message though
I think they are getting way too many members to cope with at the moment (with TB and suprnova going down).
The only way these sites will be able to remain online is to host them on servers out of European and American jurisdiction.
I'm a system administrator here in Saint Petersburg, Russia for an ISP that I'm a founding member of (even though I'm not Russian). I've got oodles of bandwidth, and would love to host a popular torrent site (especially because I rely on these torrents to escape from having to watch Russian television).
Is anyone interested in teaming up with me so we can get the torrents back on the web without legal worry?
You can find me here (sale [AT] winlink.ru)
p.s. to all the mods that are going to mod me into oblivian, think of this: the whole idea here is to keep the torrents alive. Isn't that what we all want?
Soapcity.com offers this kind of service... obviously only for Soap Operas. And they once offered episodes of Dawson's Creek. It was $10/mo per Soap Opera, and you could only start your download after the episode had finished airing on the west coast. So it's clearly easily feasible...
A friend of mine just received one of these gems:
: vcd-tg1.r00
Infringement Detail:
Infringing Work: Grudge, The
Filepath: The.Grudge.SCREENER-VideoCD.torrent|CD1
Filename
First Found: 18 Dec 2004 04:21:14 EST (GMT -0500)
Last Found: 18 Dec 2004 04:21:14 EST (GMT -0500)
Filesize: 14,648k
IP Address:
IP Port: 58546
Network: BTPeers
Protocol: BitTorrent
Apparently the RIAA has been sampling the swarms or getting their data from somewhere like that. This torrent was gotten from Suprnova... was that "paper" we saw the other day here on slashdot linked to any data they collected that the RIAA might have dipped into?
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
How?
" All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective owners. Comments are owned by the Poster. The Rest © 1997-2004 OSTG."
Seems pretty clear to me that Slashdot absolves itself of responsibility, especially with them not deleting comments, and letting the community moderate posts (specifically mentioned in the 'comments might be moderated' caveats are Illegal comments).
Why not distribute .torrents by using emule or irc... lets go underground...
the MPAA is co-operating in criminal investigations with police in Finland, the Netherlands and France, so it is reasonable to infer that reports of raids in more European countries are likely to surface shortly.
Yes, the MPAA is acting on behalf of its members and copyright holders, ensuring that intellectual property is not distributed for free. They have the law on their side, and can probably buy or lobby anyone of importance that disagrees with them.
That said, I think the MPAA is fighting a losing battle. People like to share, to spread what little wealth and happiness they have around.
BitTorrent enables a system where people of like interests and hobbies can reward one another as they are connected to the same torrent. And yes, this includes both legitimate and illegitimate uses.
Sharing is part of human nature and any organization that throws its weight around in an attempt to circumvent our instinct to share will ultimately prove to be futile.
That unauthorized copying (incorrectly called pirating or stealing) is illegal doesn't change the fact that the current model will never again work (in other words "the genie is out of the bottle"). If a typical (non US) consumer has a choice of e.g. downloading the new episode of Simpsons the day after it was released for free, or wait 1 year until it reaches local TV (and is usually dubbed and I prefer the original), or wait 5+ years until it's released on DVD, how can MPAA keep expecting people to play "nice"?
Sorry, no. Slashdot tried to fight the scientologists, and found out Real Fast (TM) just how far that disclaimer's protection actually extended. The answer is "not very, even for documents arguably in the public domain".
I sure hope I didn't contribute to the death of suprnova, by submitting that article to /. ...
:(
I mean, I know that wouldn't have anything to do with it, but I still feel bad drawing attention to it the day before it died.
Here's an idea: distribute torrent files for the binaries on text-only newsgroups. People without access to binary groups could still get the torrents and use BT to get the actual files. The torrent files would need to be encoded as plain text but as the torrent files themselves are small that'd be a minor obstacle. No SuperNova or equivalent needed. Or have I not taken something into consideration?
Speaking as a Russian, I can at least verify that this man is sane and in full possession of his faculties. Russian TV is just about the most horrid and bleak torrent of dementia ever to spring from the mind of man.
~Tirinal
Why not distribute .torrents by using emule or irc... lets go underground..
You also need the trackers. You can't distribute those.
No sig
Don't have to go quite that far.... in Canada, there is no DMCA, and all of the attempts to create something like it have failed. Even if there was one, parliament has ruled that there is no grounds for passing a law against downloading files of any nature.
Serving up copywritten material is still illegal, but as I understand it, BitTorrent is completely decentralized peer2peer, and the host websites don't actually host any copywritten material, no?
If you believe everything you read, you'd better not read. - Japanese proverb
The voices that the CIA beam into my teeth tell me that promoting a film costs about as much as making the film. Halving the costs seems a fine start to the economic fight. Setting up a cdr manufacturing plant probably costs quite a few $million too, but their product gets to the shop for pennies.
The market has set the price for DVDs; it is the price that the pirates sell at.
To recap:
Reduce the costs (no advertising means less staff to deal with the advertising which means less office space which.....etc)
Make a few cents on each VCD sold (and more on the download).
Make even more cents on each label-less DVD (more on download).
Make a few dollars on each fancy boxed set.
Make a few dollars at the theatre.
And this will remove the demand for pirated movies too, as customers can 'preview' a film on a grotty format before paying big bucks for higher quality versions all of which you will make money on . You can even put trailers for your other films on the discs.
vcd and low quality dvd copies of your film will be availible on streetcorners whatever you do, do you want to make money on those sales or not?
They whose government reduces their essential liberties for temporary security, receive neither liberty nor security.
For the record, BitTorrent *sucks* as a media distribution model. It only works for "popular" data, which results in an ever-worsening spiral downward into The Land Of FOX. Once the torrent dies, dozens, hundreds, or thousands of people are left with incomplete and useless files.
;-)
World's Worst Reliable Delivery Method.
When you pirate a copy of something, even when the creator has no plans to try and sell it to you, you're still harming him by eroding his ability to control the distribution of his own work.
Not entirely: see the fourth fair use factor.
That's a very important thing in the eyes of musicians, writers and filmmakers.
The mere fact that major publishers and copyright industry trade groups have convinced musicians, writers and filmmakers that complete control over distribution is so desirable is part of the problem. How would one go about solving it?
Slashdot caved; that doesn't mean that the Scientologists were on the right side of the law. It would have been too expensive for Slashdot to fight, that's all.
According to efnet:#tvtorrents, they are just having DNS problems. Hopefully tvtorrents will recover!
So what you are saying is that it is ok that they are helping illegally distribute software/music/movies/etc because make up for it by helping distribute say 5% of their stuff legally?
Yes. Sony v. Universal.
No, but they can force them to filter search results by content..
Much as they are doing for some other countries now..
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Which is the weakest link in the entire concept of a law-based society. And it is one of the major contributing factors to the inequality among citizens based on level of income and wealth. A rich football player can get away with murder and mayhem, but a public forum can't discuss an obviously phildickian "religious" organization without being threatened with eternal litigation, which is a lot worse on a practical level than eternal damnation...
Hic iacet Arthurus, rex quondam rexque futurus.
That's because in Plutocrat Russia, the T.V. owns *you*!
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The copyright industry owns the advertising media and has the right under private property law to deny any public service advertisement.
If you think that political will can only be harnessed through advertising, you don't know politics.
You need to find some charismatic people -- NOT anyone who's stumped for OSS, because largely they aren't -- and convince them. They will, in turn, convince others.
Arguments like "Snow White might never have been made if the laws today were in place then. Who knows what new great movie isn't being made because of overzealous copyright laws?" are what you want to go for.
As for entering public office -- get yourself a respectable profession, and pick a political party.
And review are here.
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Site was closed because i nor anyother admins dont have the time and will to fight the legal battles on BT.... We dont even want it to come to that and we dont have time to deal with the pressure anymore because we have other things to do.
Recently in the IRC room, this was said by sloncek, the person who ran suprnova.org.
[16:25] WhiteWo|F: Site was closed because i nor anyother admins dont have the time and will to fight the legal battles on BT.... We dont even want it to come to that and we dont have time to deal with the pressure anymore because we have other things to do
http://www.silentdragz.net/suprfaq/
...and by linking to it on Slashdot you've managed to single-handedly do what the entire legal army of Swedish media conglomerates could not...
good work.
FAQ it's under the MIT license rather than in the public domain. Not that it makes much of a difference, of course.
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I think those organizations shutting down these sites just started to initiate the next generation of decentralized P2P clients... That's usually the only thing they do, help speed up the next generation of file sharing software, more clever than the last time. It usually doesn't happen if not a great deal of sites are taken down, since then there's not as much need to advance technology.
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"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms,
And before people say that emule is slower than BT, that's because people rush to BT files in massive waves and then forget them, but while they're fresh, they go fast. If people swarmed to ed2k files as quickly, the speed would be the same. After all, emule doesn't use (much) more overhead bandwidth than BT, so in both networks, downloadrate=uploadrate.
I think this is the right moment for making the switch.
I had a friend who was sent one of these notices after he downloaded a show from suprnova. Fortunately in Canada the notices don't mean jack because the ISPs aren't permitted to (or aren't willing to) turn over subscriber information without a court order. In fact several of the big high-speed ISPs went to court against the RIAA to fight this. It's nice having your ISP in your corner even if it's mutual self-interest rather than the big guy looking out for the little guy.
My username does not make me Apathetic. It's irony, get it?
Let's say I see a /. post that is going to be censored but contains material that I think is important to get out there (like copyrighted Scientology texts, or maybe Windows source code).
Assuming I have a halfway stable connection, in roughly 5 minutes I can create a torrent and host it myself using Azureus' built-in tracker. I can either post a link to the ad hoc tracker ("http://123.456.989:6969/" or "http://mymachine.dyndns.org:6969") or post the .torrent file itself here on on IRC or whatever. When I'm done I shut down Azureus and the tracker goes away.
Peers as trackers is as distributed as you can get.
Everything is running fine until some moderators feel obligated to let the unwashed masses in on the secret of SuprNova.
Next time there is good working P2P systems up and running, please don't WRITE ARTICLES ABOUT HOW GOOD THEY ARE.
Seriously, can we let the lawyers find out about The-Next-Best-Thing(tm) on their own. Do we have to spoon-feed it to them and put a big bullseye on everything good?
With a standard centralized distribution model, there's a higher probability that a user will log back in who is sharing the file in question. When a BitTorrent dies, it's pretty much permanently gone unless it's a special case.
First off, ed2k links and torrent files are both essentially hashes - you're no more in the clear hosting one than the other. The actual tracker mechanism does possibly leave you open to greater legal attack, but often times the torrents and tracker are hosted in seperate locations.
Secondly, ed2k isn't slow because of the protocol itself so much as the queueing system. With ed2k you *will* spend most of your time simply waiting to download a file. When I used it regularly, I found that you generally had to have at least 20-30 things queued up to have *something* downloading at all time. ed2k is great for finding older or obscure files, but I wouldn't call it a replacement for the pure power that a torrent leverages.
The slashdot editors took down the post and instead posted a long rant about Scientology's threat to free speech and liberty, complete with links to exposes of the church as well as links that would get you to the information that was originally taken down. It was a rather ingenious strategy, actually; they complied with the letter of Scientology's legal request while at the same time drawing way more attention to the material they took down (as well as creating an open forum for attacks on the church in the discussion). IIRC, the material that had originally been taken down was posted again to the followup discussion.
You can never stop piracy. People have been sharing copyright material ever since it became available. People have always bootlegged at concerts, copied their friends' music (either onto cassette tape or CD), rented films on VHS and copied them. It isn't legal, but it always has and always will go on. The difference now is that its happening on a larger scale than before, and that people are more easily caught. If I walk over to my friend's house, borrow a CD, take it home and copy it, there's no way anyone will ever find out. If I download the same CD over KaZaA or as a .torrent anyone can find out my IP address, get loads of info on me, and no doubt pressure my ISP into handing over my name/address. I can then be sued.
However, this will not stop piracy. Sure it might stop me (for a while at least) but its not gonna stop the majority. The MPAA/RIAA can shut down all the sites they want but sooner or later, they're gonna have to change their business model.
There's a great line in About A Boy about getting royalty fees from Christmas carol singers. This anti-P2P stuff is almost as insane.
If ignorance is bliss, knock the smile off my face.
Suprnova was in Hungary. They were sure they don't need to worry about American laws too. It seems they were wrong. Though I do agree that St. Petersburg, Russia is still a rather safe place to perform on the Internet activities that are considered illegal elsewhere. Speaking from experience. :-)
If you are seriously interested, though, I think it would be wise to ask people from sharereactor.ru, nnm.ru and the like, who have experience running "shady" sites and more importantly, getting ad money to finance them. May be they can offer some advice.
Future Wiki -- If you don't think about the future, you cannot have one.
How about this: instead of using Freenet to distribute each individual torrent, could you publish on Freenet a torrent that contains other torrents? For instance, a torrent for each category of files, like what was on Suprnova - a "Movies-Drama" torrent that contained a zipped file of all torrents in that category? This way, you wouldn't be relying on Freenet to distribute every torrent file, just a much smaller index of torrents.
If somebody wanted to take ownership of this, they could create a Freenet page with an anonymous feedback form. When somebody has a torrent to publish, they could submit the info to the anonymous form, and then the publisher would compile all the new torrents into the next version of the index.
I'm only an occasional user of bittorrent, and it's been a long time since i tried Freenet, but does this sound like something feasible?
[trnjw@eveningstar home]$ whois suprnova.orgn terestregistry.net] .
[Querying whois.publicinterestregistry.net]
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Domain ID:D96700160-LROR
Domain Name:SUPRNOVA.ORG
Created On:04-Apr-2003 21:28:07 UTC
Last Updated On:06-Dec-2004 15:03:21 UTC
Expiration Date:04-Apr-2009 21:28:07 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Go Daddy Software, Inc. (R91-LROR)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:GODA-07362285
Registrant Name:Registration Private
Registrant Organization:Domains by Proxy, Inc.
Registrant Street1:15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
Registrant Street2:PMB353
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Scottsdale
Registrant State/Province:Arizona
Registrant Postal Code:85260
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.4806242599
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:SUPRNOVA.ORG@domainsbyproxy.com
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Doesn't matter whether they are publicised or not - it's the Spartacus effect*. There are far, far too many to take down or disable. It's beneficial to get the word out, too - better to have a few big, efficient networks than many scattered, underperforming ones. Besides, the real killer p2p app (decentralized, full privacy) will come that much faster this way.
*Not sure if I'm using that correctly.
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It actually works quite well. Be sure to play with the options, the default timeout is set to one second (because when your searching ~50 links one second takes a long time) and may reject valid torrents.
The program is witten in C# and the binaries and source are included. If you get an error when you run it you need the .NET Framework (link above).
Also, for the love of god, be very gentle. My machine is very old and it's connection very poor.
Nonetheless, the person who owns the copyright has the exclusive right to choose how it's copied.
In that case, corporate personhood is the problem.
If you don't like what somebody does with their own intellectual property, you are completely free to release your own under the terms you choose.
No I can't. If I create what I sincerely believe is an original work, some incumbent copyright owner is likely to come out of the woodwork and claim I copied it. This happened to George Harrison, and statistics show it could happen to any songwriter.
Seriously, can we let the lawyers find out about The-Next-Best-Thing(tm) on their own. Do we have to spoon-feed it to them and put a big bullseye on everything good?
/. doesn't really deserve to be out there in the first place. You're just whining that you can't get to your free warez as easily as you've gotten used to. So what?
What's the point of having a good thing if you can't tell anyone about it?
Obviously it wasn't that good if it went down with the mere threat of a raid by the authorities. It wasn't that good if the authorities in multiple countries could be talked into performing such a raid. Sites that demonstrably use Bittorrent for purely legal distribution of such files that they own the copyright to will not be going down. Your favorite Linux distro, for example, will still be available by Bittorrent most likely.
No lawyer has any legal ground to stand on to convince the authorities in France to shut down Mandrake's Bittorrent tracker, run by Mandrake and published with a link on Mandrake's own website. SuprNova and the others are going down for the same reasons the original Napster went down; because they were too centralized and operated on the fringes of legality, if not totally outside the law.
What's that old saying again? What doesn't kill an Internet technology will only make it stronger. This won't kill BT for 100% legal uses and a new decentralized P2P technology is already evolving (exeem?) to replace BT for stuff like warez that can't be shown to be 100% legal. If you try to keep things secret you just put off the inevitable. The lawyers will always find out about and attack questionably legal things eventually, that's their job. Plus, the more people you keep out with your secrecy, the worse performance you'll get from your BT downloads.
In the end, the next "working" P2P system will be that much closer to being indestructible. They certainly won't be able to take it down just by shutting down one website or writing an article about it on Slashdot. Anything that can be killed by a simple article on
Bittorrent was never even designed to do what it has been used for by sites like SuprNova, despite how cool it may have been while it worked. The creator of Bittorrent said so himself. It was not designed to be an instructible way to exchange copyrighted data illegally without fear of reprisal. It's not Slashdot's fault that you and others decided to use it for this purpose anyway. Slashdot is really doing you a favor by hastening the evolution of the next generation P2P clients. You'll get access to your warez and old TV shows, don't you worry. It just won't be via SuprNova.org after today.
You have no defensible point and yet you were modded +5, Insightful. At least 3 mods should be ashamed today.
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I rewrote it to use the Google Web API (and comply with Google's Terms of Use).
As an upside it now returns more results, but as a downside you need a Google Web API Licence Key to use it (if you already have a GMail account just fill in your login and you'll get one no hassle). See the readme.txt for more info (And how to obtain a key).