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TorrentBits.org and SuprNova.org Go Dark
Numerous people wrote in with similar stories: "Without providing a reason, both of these sites have shut down: SuprNova.org and TorrentBits.org." We mentioned a few days ago that the MPAA was going after Bittorrent sites.
Maybe it was a flashcrowd? (pertaining to yesterday's story)
I don't know if this is coincedental, but the filelist.org tracker seems to be acting up as well.
Exeem, anybody?
I really can't imagine neither of these sites would say something naughty about the MPAA if they would be the reason the sites has to shut down, so what *could* the reason be ?
Simple bandwidth usage or server load ? To me, that looks like about the only option left, and sounds very plausible after reading Suprnova's message...
It's all very very weird, especially both sites going down at the same time...
- Leon Mergen
http://www.solatis.com
How am I going to watch Enterprise now? No TV channel in Norway sends it, nor do they have any plans to send it. I buy the DVDs. I watch the movies. And then they fuck people over by removing my only way of watching it before it comes to DVD?
And, no, I don't have access to Swedish channels.
But I just bought my suprnova.org t-shirt!
At least Yotoshi is still around.
A lot more other sites went down today...
Bi-Torrent.com
The coolest voice ever.
Greetings everybody, As you have probably noticed, we have often had downtimes. This was because it was so hard to keep this site up! But now we are sorry to inform you all, that SuprNova is closing down for good in the way that we all know it. We do not know if SuprNova is going to return, but it is certainly not going to be hosting any more torrent links. We are very sorry for this, but there was no other way, we have tried everything. Thank you all that helped us, by donating mirrors or something else, by uploading and seeding files, by helping people out on IRC and on forum, by spreading the word about SuprNova.org. It is a sad day for all of us! Please visit SuprNova.org every once in a while to get the latest news on what is happening and if there is anything new to report on. As we wish to maintain the nice comunity that we created, we are keppig forums and irc servers open. Thank you all and Goodbye! sloncek & the rest of the SuprNova Team
dvdr-core.org has also been unavailable recently....
I am a speak english. Do you not? - Saroto
LokiTorrent has just upgraded their account interface.
Perhaps rival torrent sites were applying some sort of pressure?
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
Thank god I found some good private trackers that are holding their heads high still. SuprNova I will mourn this day in memory of you. :( You brought me world's of enjoyment that I never new a fast bandwidth could provide. All of those guys out there who run these sites are true hero's in my eyes. Time to put on the tin foil hats, they're always after me lucky charms.
*runs to corner to cry*
Well they have the notices on their site. It looks like they either got a letter or a visit. http://www.torrentreactor.net/ is still up. A very well crafted letter from a laywer will really put some threats on people. Sounds like this is what happened.
Is it possible they brought their web pages down on purpose in order to create a little hype and maybe some panic amongst Torrent users. Then in a week or two they will release that new P2P file sharing program the have had in beta for a while? Seems like a good enough marketing campaign as a lot of Torrent users are students, or kids, and Slashdot may not be their source of information, though this story did find itself on the front page.
You'll read that they have both given up and shut their doors to torrent hosting. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but when two of the biggest torrent link sites go down very close in time to one another, I'm guessing there was a sweep of cease and decist letters. Guess its true about the "The bigger they are" hypothesis
ok.. so heads you lose tails I win. right?
IRC for SuprNova is dead too, so there's no asking there.
Taken from here
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AT LAST!
I've got a chance to reply to some of these rumours and wild speculation!
(YES - this is going to be one of the Puppy's long boring posts,
but if you don't read it all, don't bother replying - NO CRIB NOTES AVAILABLE)
Firstly, I have to say,
I am extremely dissapointed with the response from some of the members of the TB community.
Scare-mongering and spreading rumours is not the most helpful thing to do in a situation like this!
I know everyone is unhappy about it, but don't burn your bridges with insults or by playing the blame game!
Secondly,
I am extremely delighted with the reponse form some of the members of the TB community.
Members like DeeJee, and Warlok, who are trying to keep us all together,
to get the correct information out. There are probably more that I don't know about yet....
and all those working behind the scenes.... Thanks guys
OK lets get down to it.
A few facts:-
- I am extremely sad to report, that I have just found out that, TB, as we know it, is DEAD.
- The full reason why Rb choose to close down is still not yet known
- Rb was "on holiday" when the site went down, and is in no position to put it back up again,
or explain anything, until he gets back
- There was a Ddos attack - After the site went down!
One more fact:-
Nobody, REPEAT, nobody, except Redbeard knows what Redbeard is planning to do.
Keep watching torrentbits.org for a statement.
It's the ONLY place to get the full facts
http://www.torrent-base.dl.am/
still lives...
This is my sig. There are thousands more, but this one is mine.
Use www.lokitorrent.com from now on. It's just as good as suprnova.org was.
Also, check out it's sister site: www.mufftorrent.com
In the past, both of these sites have had less than exemplary uptimes. Is there a chance that they both just happened to have problems at the same time?
Now talking in #suprnova.org
Topic is 'SuprNova is from today on DOWN. It will not be returning in any way that we know it now. We are very sorry for this, but it is not possible any other way. Thank you all for all your help! SuprNova crew '
* Set by sloncek on Sun Dec 19 16:08:10
I knew it was serious as sloncek is the owner of SN and doesn't fool about with the topics much (unless its April 1st).
The thing that affects me most is that we at TLMP get a large portion of our traffic for Linux ISO torrents from SuprNova's listings.
Anyway, there are other sites, and much like when SR was taken down a couple of years ago, one of them will likely take the traffic and fill the void. Where there is demand, there is supply.
Anyone have any more information as to why this happened? Is it anything to do with the developement of Exeem? I can't see it being as simple as the MPAA taking legal action, as AFAIK they have little influence in Slovenia where it is hosted, and they have whethered alot of copyright group's actions fine until now....
She's built like a steak house, but she handles like a bistro....
the irc channel (#suprnova.org) on irc.suprnova.org is announcing that suprnova won't be coming back online
Sorry buddy but this didn't have anything to do with slashdot. I wish it did, but suprnova isn't comming back anytime soon.
I guess I'll have to get my movies for free at the public library. Hopefully, before long the libraries will start offering downloads.
I'm pretty sure I was hitting it Friday night, if not Saturday some time, so it couldn't have been down *that* long...
creation science book
A big point many people miss -- trackers are what keep the torrents together. Indexers like SuprNova, although highly popular, do nothing but point people where to go.
It's like asking a bartender about the street corners where the girls hang out late at night. If he responsible for how you use the information; ie, if you engage in prostition?
It's a sad, sad day when information is made the scapegoat. If anything, they should be applauded, and kept as a means for getting to the real criminals.
"An infinite number of monkeys typing into GNU emacs would never make a good program."
People, please stop posting links to your favorite torrent site that is still up and kicking. They are already under tremendous pressure right now, and I don't want them to have any more attension brought to them. Those that are interested can find the sites themselves, so please, help save the few that are left and stop posting links.
But wouldn't the MPAA/RIAA be engaging in illegal behavior by doing a DDoS.... oops I forgot they have a separate set of rules for them.
This is terrible! Where will people get their movies now? Applications? Games? Let's just hope that SuprNova continues to develop the decentralized P2P bittorrent network they were talking about. Beta testing ended a few weeks ago, so perhaps we're getting close to a release candidate.
this is the same sort of thing that happened with the original Napster. Any sort of centralization is going to become an immediate target for MPAA/RIAA legal action. At least with BitTorrent there can be other sources for .torrent files, but so long as they can shut down any large repositories like suprnova.org, finding files will be too cumbersome for all but the most determined users.
DC++ seems to have the same weakness, with the hosts, but as long as host lists are legal, it will remain pretty easy to find new hosts. Gnutella seems pretty safe, but they've managed to pollute the network enough to make it almost unusable.
alas, it is only a matter of time before something comes along that perfects this problem and leaves the MPAA/RIAA with no option but to come up with a new business model. Free music seems to me to be a fine way to advertise a touring artist who is making money off of the shows. Movies may have to resort to product placement, or something.
Several bittorrent sites that I use have gone dead. The ones I miss the most are torrentbits and delirium vault.
People have said that these sites are closing voluntarily before they get raided. The site owners seem to have solid information about the raids. I doubt they'd close down without it.
The best community sites kept track of ratios to encourage people to upload. Suprnova didn't, but torrentbits did. Unfortunately, that means that the sites maintained databases of everything users downloaded.
Without those databases, the MPAA would have to join swarms and try to collect as many IPs as possible. With such a database, they could look up everything everyone had downloaded through that site.
So it was a very good thing that the site admins pulled the plug on those sites before the databases could be seized.
It seems likely to me that the old model of the bittorrent community site, which depended on such databases, is dead.
Perhaps some old cypherpunks could come up with a better way to incentivize users to share and participate in the community, without leaving data behind in a database. Maybe something with blind signatures, similar to a digital cash protocol.
But the old model is probably dead.
IsoHunt also appears down. I wonder how many smaller, ultra-private servers are going to go up now (especially thanks to the features of the client .....CLIENT DROPPED
On a brighter note, .com and .net are still online. Now if i only fill out this registration, and uh.. here it says i should send 'm some money... and ehhh, well don't worry i'll be downloading these free search tools in no time!
I have nothing to say, just want people to read my cool new sig
Any good alternatives please post in reply
my only suggestion are
http://www.isohunt.com/
http://trackerwww.prq.to/frame.html - which always seems to be slow
http://www.torrentbox.com/torrents-search.php
Having been a proud user of Bit Torrent for a few years now, I have witnessed the rise and fall of many torrent sites on the web. I remember a time when bytemonsoon was the major site with a large list of torrents, and suprnova was just a crappy site with an ok collection of torrents. At the time there were many torrent sites out there, some large with random files, others very specific to a certain type of file or even just a certain series. Inevitably though, bytemonsoon fell, leaving suprnova to rise from its ashes. With the fall of these major sites, I expect there to be a major increase in the usage of other, smaller sites, until finally one or two of these sites rise up to become the new leaders. Just as bytemonsoon was replaced with suprnova, and anime.mircx was replaced with downloadanime, boxtorrents, Project MAO, and Tokyo Toshokan, suprnova will be replaced as well. Hopefully, these new sites will be better than the last ones, but for now we must settle for what's around. Besides, there is always DC++, eMule, and IRC if you really can't find a new tracker you like :)
How's this for a solution to film piracy? 1. Forget chasing 'pirates'. This will save a lot of expensive legal bills. Cut back drastically on advertising too, as you don't need to whip people up into a frenzy to get them to theatres in the first week. 2. Make film (Citizen Kane 2: starring Adam Sandler or something). 3. Make a VCD cut and make unlabelled cheapo vcd's. Using the economies of scale, sell these so cheap that the guys selling pirate vcd will buy from you rather than burn their own copies. Your margin is the difference between a bulk pressed cd and a small scale burned copy. 4. Simultaneously sell the film as a download for the same price as you get for the vcd. ...wait a few weeks
5. Make a nicer, longer dvd cut of the film and, again, sell these so cheap that the guys selling pirate dvd will buy from you rather than burn their own copies.
6. Sell the dvd cut of the film online at the same price as the DVD wholesale price. .... wait some more
7. Theatre release of film in lovely THX/35mm
8. Boxed set dvd release with extra everything.
By doing this you make money from the guys currently selling 'pirated copies' of films and money from people who can't be bothered to find a torrent of your film. The money saved on lawyers and advertising would probably pay for setting up the servers.
At stage 3 you are the sole supplier of vcd of your film, it is uneconomic to burn copies so you own the market. People may share your film over the internet but the hassle of finding a torrent and/or running P2P software is competing against the paid download (4) which is priced as low as a blank cdr.
This is simple economics. Cut back on expensive things like lawyers and advertising, then put out bargain bin priced product to soak up the sales to misers and the poor. You can still make bigger margins on the nicely packaged versions to people who want to buy them.
They whose government reduces their essential liberties for temporary security, receive neither liberty nor security.
These sites really had it coming, frankly. While I'm concerned about corporate power, and less than thrilled with the modern media, they weren't trying to do anything about that - they were just plain illegal. Not in a recent way, either - they were ignoring the same copyright laws that protect the software I write, and the GPL so many here are so fond of.
I'd find it far easier to understand a site that restricted its self to things not otherwise availible than sites like these that appear to have no problem with full scale piracy. Yes, I realise that would still be illegal - but IMO rather less offensive.
I used to be a bit more sympathetic to this stuff, but I know too many people who view it as their RIGHT to access other people's work for free, without their permission. I guess its just another version of the "information wants to be free" zealotry (Free Software bigots who don't actually understand free software and usually hypocrites. The few, very loud ones that give the whole community a bad name to some.).
AC posts will be ignored.
Now - -1 flamebait me. You know you want to.
I find it hard to believe that they would not have issued warnings or other things of that nature if the issue was that bandwidth and all of that was becoming too expensive. Suprnova was incredibly popular with teh torrent community and they had to know that people would come to their aid.
I think it is possible that Suprnova and a number of these other sites reached an agreement with the MPAA or whoever was threating to sue them that they just disappear quiety into the night and they can save them self from a lawsuit.
It strikes me as odd that they would not heve mentioned it, but I can easily see the reason for this. If your the MPAA you have two options, either make an example of these sites so people are too scared to fuck with them, or just make them go bye bye. I think the first won't discourage enough people, because the law is on suprnova's side, so a number of people would rise up just to defy the MPAA and take up the cause. However, if the MPAA were to tell suprnova that in order to avoid a lawsuit they need to tell people that the site was just too much work, it prevents them from being martyrs and other people won't be so quick to jump in and fill the vacum left.
Be better in bed. Wikiafterdark!
http://www.silentdragz.net/suprfaq/
Or it could be the fact that the MPAA publicly stated they were going after torrent sites a week or two ago.
Or it could be they shared a game and a publisher went after them.
Or their bandwidth bills all came in and they realized the DDOSs they were being hit with were going to cripple them financially.
Or I could just be spouting off useless rumor with no basis in fact like parent.
Man, I'm so unbelievably relieved that you guys are listing off virtually every torrent site in existence. Since obviously nobody at the MPAA would ever think to read Slashdot, it's totally obvious that you should post more torrent sites, including a mirror of one site that was apparently just forced to shut down. No need to be covert here!!
I am greatly saddened by this incident. Suprnova.org was my life. it helped me through hard times. i will never forget it. there are a few sites i found that may take its place. but in my heart, suprnova was the best :-( *crawls into bed and weeps*
But that might be asking too much, right?
eg:
...
the ultimate torrent search
are they going shut down google now ?
nick...
Electronic Music Made Using Linux http://soundcloud.com/polyp
How's this for a solution to film piracy?
...wait a few weeks
.... wait some more
1. Forget chasing 'pirates'. This will save a lot of expensive legal bills. Cut back drastically on advertising too, as you don't need to whip people up into a frenzy to get them to theatres in the first week.
2. Make film (Citizen Kane: starring Adam Sandler or something).
3. Make a VCD cut and make unlabelled cheapo vcd's. Using the economies of scale, sell these so cheap that the guys selling pirate vcd will buy from you rather than burn their own copies. Your margin is the difference between a bulk pressed cd and a small scale burned copy.
4. Simultaneously sell the film as a download for the same price as you get for the vcd.
5. Make a nicer, longer dvd cut of the film and, again, sell these so cheap that the guys selling pirate dvd will buy from you rather than burn their own copies.
6. Sell the dvd cut of the film online at the same price as the DVD wholesale price.
7. Theatre release of film in lovely THX/35mm
8. Boxed set dvd release with extra everything.
By doing this you make money from the guys currently selling 'pirated copies' of films and money from people who can't be bothered to find a torrent of your film. The money saved on lawyers and advertising would probably pay for setting up the servers.
At stage 3 you are the sole supplier of vcd of your film, it is uneconomic to burn copies so you own the market. People may share your film over the internet but the hassle of finding a torrent and/or running P2P software is competing against the paid download (4) which is priced as low as a blank cdr.
This is simple economics. Cut back on expensive things like lawyers and advertising, then put out bargain bin priced product to soak up the sales to misers and the poor. You can still make bigger margins on the nicely packaged versions to people who want to buy them.
They whose government reduces their essential liberties for temporary security, receive neither liberty nor security.
What about all those folks who said at the last "SuprNova is going bye-bye" story that it couldn't be touched because it was somewhere in Europe where the MPAA can't reach them?
We can't really say this is the result of MPAA, can we? Can they "get" the folks related to suprnova.org if they are located in Belgium or Turkey or whereever?
I only post comments when someone on the internet is wrong.
reminds me on donkax being shut down
That may be their plan, but I, and many SuperNova users I know, are migrating to Frost. Its based on Freenet, Open Source, and doesn't rely on any centralised website that can be shut down (for those of you that tried Freenet in the past and were disappointed, it has come a long way in recent weeks and months - so its probably time to give it another chance).
This was inevitable. In our society money brings power. And the forces opposed to file sharing have vast sums of money hence they have vast political and legal power.
Also the RIAA and MPAA are learning. They are focusing more widely. Bittorrent slipped threough the cracks for awhile. Next they are likely to go after the alt.binaries newsgroups.
Those of us who want to want to share entertainment and culture will continue to lose every battle until basic laws are rewritten. And I don't know what kind of societal meltdown will have to take place before power is redistributed and we see these laws rewritten.
<sarcasm> Haven't you read the Constitution? It is your God-given right to obtain and distribute copyrighted works without the author's permission! Except when it comes to GPL'd software, of course. We hang motherfuckers who violate that shit. </sarcasm>
Let's face it. The majority of BitTorrent traffic is not strictly legal. What did you expect? The RIAA is going to try to protect its business.
More torrent sites that have gone down just recently..
http://www.n4p.com/
Sorry
Our torrent site has been shut down
by our ISP (Techdroid) due to a DMCA complaint.
http://www.sharelive.com/
Sorry, ShareLive has been forced to come offline. We are keeping our Forums online.
thepiratebay.org is mostly targetted at the Swedish audience, but there is a lot of international stuff there too. It is heavily loaded now, bit is certainly not going away.
No one said that was the only reason, it just could have been the straw that broke the camel's back (well...I suppose it was already broken, so maybe the straw that brutally beat the dead camel?)
WASTE - The Secure P2P
gamecopyworld.com
Well, Suprnova is still keeping the forums and irc channels open.
Back to the ol' times...
See this newsgroup thread.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
I'm rather impressed that the MPAA (or its equivalent corporations globally) are actually successful in shutting down these web sites! After all, look at all the spammers web sites that have been operational for years, and that is while continually advertising themselves in millions of irritating emails. If only it were that easy to shut them down too.
BS on this, I was using it only minutes before it went down. *banging head on keyboard while crying*
Not really. It has no anonymity, and relies on centralized sources, which as this very story shows are easily taken down and then you're SOL. It was designed so it's obviously not intended for copyright infringement.
I am trolling
Hitler invades and remilitarizes the Rhineland on March 7, 1936. Historian Donald Kagan calls it a "Saturday surprise," because it was a weekend, and the French leaders who were at their homes would have to scramble together to come up with a response. Things were just too slow compared to if the invasion was done on a weekday. The MPAA attacks on a Sunday. How disgusting. The MPAA does it while everyone is taking their Sunday evening nap...
BitTorrent is a great technology, and it has sped up many Linux ISO downloads I've had in the past. However, I think it is so funny the way people freak out over stuff like suprnova closing. "Where are we supposed to get our MP3s and warez now?!!"
I NEVER hear anything about usenet, and there are hundreds of gigabytes of stuff posted every single day. Nearly my entire MP3 and digital video collection (and actually just about everything else) has come from usenet. I don't understand why this seems to still be the great untapped resource? Especially nowadays with services like newzbin.com, it makes finding and downloading from usenet a real snap!
Just the other day I introduced my brother to usenet, and he couldn't believe what he had been missing for so long.
You got Norwegian babes!
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
I wouldn't automatically assume it was the fault of one of the recording industry groups ... it may be that suprnova.org simply couldn't afford their bandwidth costs any more. But until we hear more from the owners, we're all just guessing as to the cause.
Chip H.
Use a mirror:
http://www.bi-torrent.com
The biggest problem with this was that the community that had gathered around suprnova.org will now be lost and spread out. But since they left the IRC channels up, maybe something can be done about it.
My english is sow-sow. Sowhat?
So this guy complains (without mentioning which of the two websites listed in the story he's complaining about) that there are horrid adverts in his site, and then he goes on to spamvertize a free-shit site in his sig that is nothing but an opt-in for spammers. What a jackass. I have a suggestion for he you can stick his free gadget...
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Was does this mean for suprnova's decentralized p2p client?
... of the MAN trying to keep us down...
I'll miss SuprNova... A lot of good old tv there.
Kenny P.
Visualize Whirled P.'s
tvtorrents.net
btefnet.net
The MPAA and RIAA have little reason to go after them.
Look man, everyone knows he with the gold makes the rules.
So if you really want torrents to continue being available on the internet, and in general any kind of p2p activity to be available on the internet for US customers - then the following must happen.
1) You need to get some gold for your own lawyers. That is just the fact of the matter. It sure is nice to get all this free stuff, but as they say - there is no free lunch.
2) You need to get some gold for your lobbiest to the congress critters. They only know what the MPAA/RIAA mouths tell them. A politician basically knows only how to get elected, otherwise they would be doing something else.
3) You need to get politically motivated. You need that political organization named above. You need your own moveon.org to keep the membership active in letter/fax/email writing and informative campaigns.
Play time on the internet is over. It is time to grow up and realize politics, government, and all that corruption is part of the game now.
A big point many people miss -- trackers are what keep the torrents together. Indexers like SuprNova, although highly popular, do nothing but point people where to go.
It's like asking a bartender about the street corners where the girls hang out late at night. If he responsible for how you use the information; ie, if you engage in prostition?
The big point that you are missing (and most people running torrent trackers) is that if you have a reasonable suspicion that the information you are providing to someone is going to be used for criminal purposes then you are treading dangerously close to the definition of "conspiracy".
Let's take your example of the helpful bartender a bit further. You wander into a bar and over several drinks proceed to tell the bartender about your sleazy business partner and how he is cheating you. The bartender tells you that "he knows a guy" who can take care of your problem for a bundle of cash. You take the number he gives you, meet with a contract hit man, and pay him a wad on money so that your business partner meets a rather violent demise.
Is the bartender a participant in your conspiracy to commit murder? According to the law he is. A reasonalbe person would have no problem conecting the dots here and information that was provided had a purpose...
To drag this back in to the real world, you might want to take a look at how the law deals with flea markets and swap meets where counterfeit goods are being sold. The person organizing the swap meet can post as many signs as they want saying that they have no idea what you are selling and are only providing a place for people to put their goods on display, but the law treats that claim like the BS it truly is. The people running the torrent trackers know what is being provided and what their role in the game is, and if they try to claim that they are shocked that people are trading pirated music, software, and videos on these services they will be bitch-slapped by the law.
Hmmm.. There's still a good chance they might release Exeem.
Just like every other time a website has gone down. Everyone flocks to the newsgroups and grabs what they need from there. I'll bet that the torrent newsgroups suddenly explode with traffic.
This is why when all else fails, I turn to the alt.binaries groups to find my VCDs, SVCDs, etc. Use an excellent free news reader like XNews, browse to alt.binaries and then filter the groups based on your keyword ("enterprise" or "simpsons" or whatever). Many of the most popular shows have their own groups. And even the less popular show up in alt.binaries.vcd, alt.binaries.svcd, etc.
I only post comments when someone on the internet is wrong.
Youceff Torrents got raided it seems.. http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/1215200 4b.php
I am a speak english. Do you not? - Saroto
I have money. I want to give it to you, in return for downloadable episodes of TV shows I like. Or how about free downloadable episodes with adverts in?
I was planning to buy the whole CSI: Las Vegas series in DVD; if it's confirmed that the MPAA is behind this sites going down, I might think about not doing it.
here's an idea:
... and can happily host the site (maybe under a slightly different name) elsewhere!
;-))
why don't the guys responsible for all these site simply put the content of their databases as well as the CMS configuration on their own site for anyone to mirror!
if the site is then taken down, someone will have all the latest torrent links, forums,
shouldn't be that much of a problem, not have the owners of the original site commit any crime AFTER having been taken down and would take care of our need for good p2p links
jethr0
I'd be glad to let you know that the commmunity created by torrentbits has really been strong. Now a temporary forum has been setup bustling with 2000 users so far. As well plans are taking shape for Torrentbits2. Well, its sad to see all the admins leave for real life. All you slashdotters know that life is underrated. As quoted from the forums ------- Yes... its soon gona be official... RB is preparing the TB main page now... TB is closed for good... It will not come back... Read up on TB mainpage in a short while and you will see for yourself... I know many is gona get sad about this fact but life goes on... Several other sites will prolly pick up the slack... I just wanna thank everyone involved for their time and dedication to TB and hope life treats you all well... Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all... /Helshad
Ps... Alright... I know many wanna know the reason for this but all I can say its private reasons... It has nothing to do with the rest of the world... in anyway whatsoever...
We simply dont have the time and dedication we once had... Life has changed for us and thus we felt it was time to end it... And if it makes you all feel better blame it all on me... I started the downfall... hehehe
No one said the MPAA shut them down. It was just only mentioned that these sites went offline around the same time it was announced the MPAA was going to start going after these types of sites.
OK, but what I'm suggesting here is that if there is a correlation between MPAA initiative and disappearance of the sites, maybe that "solution" can be extended into the spam realm.
i.e. if the MPAA did something, or induced a situation which resulted in these sites shutting down, then perhaps a similar situation can be induced w.r.t. spam that would shut down long running spammers' sites.
Mind you the MPAA has a bit of a head start, since WIPO/DMCA legislation in the US and EU gives corporations lots of power. Heaven forbid that the government would similarly be in favor of making spamming illegal.
Santa Claus, aka. Chris Crigle, has been shot.
Movie at 11.
If you don't know what AltaVista is (was), get off my lawn.
suprnova however was not running a bittorrent tracker and had not for a very long time... chances are that most of the trackers that were linked to from the torrents on suprnova are still operational... all that's needed is a new way of sharing the meta info (.torrents)
still sad to see suprnova gone after all this time...
Get your torrents...
http://www.torrentreactor.net still seems to be up and running. Such a sad day. If this is the work of the **AA, you can bet that all this is going to accomplish is to motivate a new means that is more difficult track, similar to how Napster's shutdown led to the mainstream rise of Kazaa and several other p2p apps. I plan on buying that SuprNova.org shirt I've had my eye on for a little while today
unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; find ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; fsck ; umount ; sleep
There's a space in your link.
_ po lice_raid_bittorrent_site/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/14/finnish
they are also down, without any message though
Seeing as to only redbeard and sloncek are the only 2 people who know why the sites are down, is it possible that they got a little money under the table to shut down their sites? A bribe of 1 mil USD is still less than they would pay for litigation
It will be several weeks before the next episode is aired in the US. You will find a new source then.
Remeber the internet: If you try to censor it, people will find a way arround it.
So how is it that they (RIAA, whoever) are going to manage to take out IRC? My personal guess is that they are going to spearhead legislation that works on two fronts:
a)makes the owners and operators (in the cases where they are two different parties) of the IRC network legally responsible for what is held on their servers
b)making foriegn servers responsible for IRC servers who are accessible from the united states (and suing them for damages that way).
First let me say that sites like these should not be legally responsible for their users' indiscretions. As someone else said, its like a bartender telling you where to find prostitutes and drug dealers.
But this does not make me sad, not one bit. If one person can explain to me how bittorent fits in with the fair use provisions of most copyright laws (such as those in the US and Europe), then I'll shut up.
Until then, you people need to get real and start *SUPPORTING* copyright holders who choose to allow distribution by such media.
Free software uses systems like bittorent. Free media is far less common, but maybe it shouldn't be. I know for me, I decided to follow the policy of strict adherence to copyright law, in support of Free software. I threw away pirated copies of software, and replaced them with Free alternatives.
At my place of business, when we find a piece of Free software we don't understand, we pay the author to teach us, and enhance it.
This model just doesn't work for every piece of entertainment. I mean, you can pay the guys from Monty Python's Flying Circus to come by and ply their trade.. but a local version of Enterprise or The Simpsons isn't exactly a good idea.
The bottom line is this. Bittorrent is mass distribution, and far beyond fair use. If you can't buy it locally, that doesn't entitle you to a free copy. For a long time I couldn't get any sort of broadband at my house except ISDN. I didn't go out and pirate an ISDN line. I just pissed and moaned until somebody brought me broadband.
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AdBlock made the site pretty fast for me. I just blocked *super_sky.html and it blocked the whole side frame. I don't think I would be able to use the web if it wasn't for Firefox and adBlock. I personally have no clue how anyone can use IE for general net usage. I personally don't block all ads. For example, Google ads are well done IMO, and I don't block those. Basically if it flashes, I kill it ; )
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison
That's all unnecessary. IRC is trackable in the same way that the web is. They just join the channel, write down the ip of everybody who's serving files, and then sue them. None of this legislation is really needed.
That only works until the servers switch over to using anonymous proxies (similar to the one I'm using to post with, for instance, except for being IRC-based).
What if there were a P2P torrent tracker? Filesharing didn't die with Napster. Can't torrents learn to "go guerilla" and decentralize?
I assume these sites are going to wipe out the lists of people who have used torrents from them? It'd be a shame if their hardware were confiscated and information about who used their torrents (and contributed back) were available to authorities. (And on that note, I really hope they're using disk encryption.)
Why bother.
A friend of mine just received one of these gems:
: vcd-tg1.r00
Infringement Detail:
Infringing Work: Grudge, The
Filepath: The.Grudge.SCREENER-VideoCD.torrent|CD1
Filename
First Found: 18 Dec 2004 04:21:14 EST (GMT -0500)
Last Found: 18 Dec 2004 04:21:14 EST (GMT -0500)
Filesize: 14,648k
IP Address:
IP Port: 58546
Network: BTPeers
Protocol: BitTorrent
Apparently the RIAA has been sampling the swarms or getting their data from somewhere like that. This torrent was gotten from Suprnova... was that "paper" we saw the other day here on slashdot linked to any data they collected that the RIAA might have dipped into?
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
Could they just have been offered significant sums of money to stop (on condition they don't tell anyone)
Why not put the .torrents in newsgroups? I requested to make a newsgroup of torrents awhile ago, but they poopoo'd it
What I don't understand is how several very popular sites regarding torrent indexing have all shutdown at about the same time yet we have no conclusive reasons as to why it is happening. This constant speculation is really irritating.
Are they all shutting down for the same reasons? Can some staff from any of the sites effected give us any clues?
So what? Those sites were not that good anyway...
The Pirate Bay (http://thepiratebay.org) is a lot better. This will only increase the amount of torrents on it.
The best thing is... it's hosted in Sweden. So MPAA can take their american laws and go fuck them selfs.
No, i don't like sigs...
Just because something *can* be used for illegal purposes does not mean it should be assumed its ONLY for illegal purposes. ( and last I heard, the links they had to mepis, debian, etc were legal... and much faster then FTP from their home sites )
Nor should liking to files be illegal. Its the end user that ( potentially ) broke the law.
Remember, they are not hosting ANY file...
Telling someone where the crack house in the area is shouldn't get you into trouble. Selling someone a car, that they later use to mow people down with shouldn't make the seller liable.. Manufacturing a gun that is used illegally later on shouldn't get you sued by the victims..
Remember too, some places these sites are being viewed, its still legal to download what you want, regardless of some other countries laws.. We are supposed to be independent sovereign nations, remember? ( or at least until the WTO has their way )
So when do we go after newspapers for having ads about autos? or cutlery sets? Oh ya, they are part of the 'media' who is driving this in the first place.. Fariness stops at their door it appears.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
DV is going to survive as a community, although I doubt there will be any torrents or sharing involved.
The forums are back up now...
You are assuming that the email address given is a legit one. Even if the email address in their records is legit then they have to subpoena Hotmail or whoever (unless you were foolish enough to not only use a real email address but to use your ISP's email).
Even if they have your real email address, that proves nothing. It proves who created the account, it does not prove who used the account. Weak evidence, and with 100,000 Torrentbits users they can (will) pick and choose who they go after.
the MPAA is co-operating in criminal investigations with police in Finland, the Netherlands and France, so it is reasonable to infer that reports of raids in more European countries are likely to surface shortly.
Yes, the MPAA is acting on behalf of its members and copyright holders, ensuring that intellectual property is not distributed for free. They have the law on their side, and can probably buy or lobby anyone of importance that disagrees with them.
That said, I think the MPAA is fighting a losing battle. People like to share, to spread what little wealth and happiness they have around.
BitTorrent enables a system where people of like interests and hobbies can reward one another as they are connected to the same torrent. And yes, this includes both legitimate and illegitimate uses.
Sharing is part of human nature and any organization that throws its weight around in an attempt to circumvent our instinct to share will ultimately prove to be futile.
People who owns torrent site,
Why dont you guys take dedicated hosting from a place where MPAA or RIAA (or US LAW?) doesn't have any influence on?
May be North Korea?
And in yours. ;) It's a bug in slashcode.
i am a soviet space shuttle
That unauthorized copying (incorrectly called pirating or stealing) is illegal doesn't change the fact that the current model will never again work (in other words "the genie is out of the bottle"). If a typical (non US) consumer has a choice of e.g. downloading the new episode of Simpsons the day after it was released for free, or wait 1 year until it reaches local TV (and is usually dubbed and I prefer the original), or wait 5+ years until it's released on DVD, how can MPAA keep expecting people to play "nice"?
Okay, to cover the latter part first...
If I never intended to buy a movie in the first place, and I download it, watch it, enjoy it, then there's no claims of monetary losses - right ? Riiight.
Anyway, on to the first part. You say that they're not even trying to get his money. Well, who says ?
Let's say that Paramount (they own Star Trek, yes? not sure anymore) has been trying to pimp Enterprise off to the Nordic broadcasters for the sum of Large_Amount. The Nordic broadcasters look at the figure, the amount of people who would actually watch it, and say "Uhh. no. Our subscribers / our government-sponsored income figures show that you'll have to come down on that price if you want it to be shown here."
So now here is the grandparent who goes "oi! wtf. I want to see that. *clicks on to a torrent site*.
Now... did Paramount try to get grandparent's money ? Sure they did - not directly, but indirectly through the broadcasting service for sure.
So.. if he wants to see Enterprise on TV - he should complain to his broadcasters.
If he wants the latest Enterprise on TV - he should complain to Paramount (since they, and about every other station and movie distributor, tend to want to cater to the U.S. market first, then reap as much as they can by selling an entire season of weekly shows to a foreign broadcaster, who can then make it a daily show).
Or.. he could order the DVDs from the states.(Surely he's got a region-free DVD player. Saves him a silly Nordic packaging as well.)
Anyway.. plenty of legal options available before going to illegal (yep) torrents.
Yes, I was too. My last download (EVER) from Suprnova.org was at 5:00 this morning. When that one finished I went to download another and it couldn't connect to the tracker. Then the site became inaccessable later in the day and now there is a message on it stating that they don't ever intend on hosting torrents again.
Deep down we all knew it would happen. Now, it happended, what do we do next?
It's been reported a few times (including yesterday) that BitTorrent makes up something like a 1/3rd of Internet traffic. With the major hubs for finding torrent links going down... has there been a notable decrease in overall Internet bandwidth usage?
http://digitalpanic.org
Free full concernts from Widespread Panic, Grateful Dead, Phish, String Cheese Incident, and many others - all perfectly legal. Why piss and moan about the RIAA when you can escape their crapola free of charge? Because you're conditioned to listen to junk is one possible answer to that question
I am very easy to get along with, but I don't have time to waste being nice to people who are being stupid. -Theo
Yeah, but that also makes it useful for legal software. Screwdrivers, Chop Sticks, Forks, and Knives are used to kill ppl. Are you advocating getting rid of these?
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Here's an idea: distribute torrent files for the binaries on text-only newsgroups. People without access to binary groups could still get the torrents and use BT to get the actual files. The torrent files would need to be encoded as plain text but as the torrent files themselves are small that'd be a minor obstacle. No SuperNova or equivalent needed. Or have I not taken something into consideration?
The RIAA collects information the same way the folks at Register did. A script was used to collect IP addresses from specific swarms, and that IP address could be traced with sufficient help from certain bulliable ISP's. If you checked the suprnova "bad files" forum, there was a guy employed for an ISP that would periodically post warnings on "watched torrents." I'm not sure if he ever listed this one specifically, but it's stupid to assume that one ISP has recieved all the **AA C&D letters. Still, it's a reminder to folks who haven't installed peerguardian or aren't behind a firewall (routers count). I'd probably be knee deep in these things if I hadn't...
Convince other Americans that the Public Domain is a Good Thing.
Ha. The copyright industry owns the advertising media and has the right under private property law to deny any public service advertisement.
Run for office if you have to.
I was too young to vote when the 105th Congress (the one that passed the Bono Act and the DMCA) was elected, and I'm still constitutionally too young to run for the House of Representatives. But for those Slashdot users who happened to have been born before I was, which guide on how to run for public office do you recommend?
The voices that the CIA beam into my teeth tell me that promoting a film costs about as much as making the film. Halving the costs seems a fine start to the economic fight. Setting up a cdr manufacturing plant probably costs quite a few $million too, but their product gets to the shop for pennies.
The market has set the price for DVDs; it is the price that the pirates sell at.
To recap:
Reduce the costs (no advertising means less staff to deal with the advertising which means less office space which.....etc)
Make a few cents on each VCD sold (and more on the download).
Make even more cents on each label-less DVD (more on download).
Make a few dollars on each fancy boxed set.
Make a few dollars at the theatre.
And this will remove the demand for pirated movies too, as customers can 'preview' a film on a grotty format before paying big bucks for higher quality versions all of which you will make money on . You can even put trailers for your other films on the discs.
vcd and low quality dvd copies of your film will be availible on streetcorners whatever you do, do you want to make money on those sales or not?
They whose government reduces their essential liberties for temporary security, receive neither liberty nor security.
When you pirate a copy of something, even when the creator has no plans to try and sell it to you, you're still harming him by eroding his ability to control the distribution of his own work.
Not entirely: see the fourth fair use factor.
That's a very important thing in the eyes of musicians, writers and filmmakers.
The mere fact that major publishers and copyright industry trade groups have convinced musicians, writers and filmmakers that complete control over distribution is so desirable is part of the problem. How would one go about solving it?
According to efnet:#tvtorrents, they are just having DNS problems. Hopefully tvtorrents will recover!
made me laugh :)
I reckon it maximises their REALISTIC profitability rather than their THEORETICAL profitability.
CEO: "Our spies tell us that a 15 year old unemployed stoner downloaded 100 films this month over his neighbour's wifi internet account! Therefore, if our DRM was impregnable, that same unemployed stoner would have paid $1500 to buy the DVDs!"
Shareholders : "OMFG! Buy more DRM and Lawyers!"
They whose government reduces their essential liberties for temporary security, receive neither liberty nor security.
Bummer.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
They weren't hosting one single illegal file.
I guess you don't support free speech. That is all that the *link* sites are participating in. Speech.
Now if you want to discuss the 2nd level, perhaps you have a case.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Specifically www.demonoid.com -- which is a register only site. This is good because it enforces a ratio. The selection is not as good has Suprnova, but maybe now it will get better.
To search all the sites use http://yotoshi.com/
Considering the strength of the BitTorrent protocol, these sites -- and others -- will only grow as a result.
The heavy and cruel hand of corporate censorship strikes again. Human rights are again overshadowed by the inhuman rights of these multinational monsters known as the MPAA and RIAA.
No, but they can force them to filter search results by content..
Much as they are doing for some other countries now..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Specific groups can be dropped from server's feeds, and if enough people drop them, then nothing propagates.
Back to square one, again.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
I find it hard to believe that they would not have issued warnings or other things of that nature if the issue was that bandwidth and all of that was becoming too expensive. Suprnova was incredibly popular with teh torrent community and they had to know that people would come to their aid.
Suprnova did not go down because of bandwidth usage. There were *plenty* of things that they could have done to cut this down. Some months ago, I pointed out on their IRC channel how they could cut their page size from ~120K to something like 3K (using an all-text page and gzip encoding) but they didn't really care. I'm pretty convinced that some of these sites made their pleas for donations not because they needed to pay their hosting bills but because they enjoyed the cash that these funding drives provided.
The technologies to implement a relatively manageable torrent directory are available but most sites seem more interested in advertising and PayPal revenue than providing a service to the community.
http://www.bi-torrent.com/ Hope this helps :)
i'm wondering: why are all those p2p networks shut down and one of the oldest sources (usenet) is still there?
did they find a legal loophole or is there a reason why they werent shut down long ago?
All trackers I use are still there. Google filetype:torrent finds basically everything. And if nothing else works, usenet does.
Kazaa Lite Resurrection. I never have a problem getting the latest Enterprise episodes.
Once again, a service that's of genuine use for legal purposes (distributing OSS, for example) gets taken out for everyone because selfish people illegally ripping stuff on the same service provokes the wrath of the **AA...
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
Contrary to what MPAA says they had nothing to do with Finreactor raid. Here's a link to the story.(in finnish)
I'm always dismayed by the difference in rhetoric between when someone tries to take your average Slashdotter's percieved rights away, and when you try to take other people's rights ways - even if that person happens to be $BIGCO.
Martin Brooks / Slayer99 #linux / UIN 2178117
Torrent sites are by definition a stationary target. Spam can be, but usually people open an account, spam, and move on. The two problems do not have similar solutions. They are also illegal in very different ways. Finally, there is no evidence that suprnova, at least, was shut down because of the mpaa or riaa. It's a distinct possibility, of course, but assumptions are dangerous.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
The voices in my head say that shutting bittorrent sites is a cunning plan.
1. Buy stocks cheaply in ailing movie/recording companies.
2. Shut down suprnova. Instantly, all the leeches switch off their computers and sprint to the nearest shop to buy CDs and DVDs. Sales skyrocket, share prices skyrocket.
3. Sell shares and then reactivate suprnova.
Repeat as necessary.
They whose government reduces their essential liberties for temporary security, receive neither liberty nor security.
Intellectual theives? Well, that means they read and steal at once?
Why must people be cheap and illegally download ever bit of software, music, etc without paying for it so our economy may actually grow and new jobs be generated?
Bush is anti-intellectual.
Unfortunately, linking to something illegal can be illegal. Remember DeCSS?
"There are hundreds of game theorists at the gates, sir, and they want to hold an election!"
And review are here.
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napster wasn't the first p2p program out there. but with its demise a better file sharing program came out of it. With the demise of suprnova hopefully something better will arise. because thats how the internet works.
The RIAA/MPAA announced today that the controversial book, "The Day Nobody Shared", would be banned and removed from all Kindergarten and Pre-School shelves. When asked about motive, a representative simply replied, "Those Care Bears should just be ashamed".
Sh*t, I especially liked SN to get hold of my SUSE Linux torrents and some audio books which are not available overseas.
In Korea, all your base are Only For Old People
*blankity-blank-blank*...next time I will remember to preview...fix:
The RIAA/MPAA announced today that the controversial book, "The Day Nobody Shared", would be banned and removed from all Kindergarten and Pre-School shelves.
The warez must flow
What's keeping someone from starting a web site that tracks "local wireless informal gatherings" with time, date and place? I mean bring a laptop with a big external HD or desktop with an AC-DC converter, hang out at the locale McDonald's (or someplace without so many cameras) and start trading. With the advent of mini ITX and nano ITX boards it won't be long before you could build a "trading" box for $200USD that's interfaced and discretely controlled with a cheapo Palm to control it and see what others have. Car clubs and hot rodders have been gathering like this for decades.
What about dorms that just trade locally via wireless connections? Bury a $50 wireless router in a false ceiling or drop it in a sheetrocked wall. When you're finished hook back up to the campus network. The RIAA/MPAA is going to have bitch of a time shutting down these types of local wireless networks.
People will beat them. Resistance is futile.
"And a voice was screaming: 'Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?'" - HST
Hey hackers of the world... figure out a P2P system which rellies exclusively on multiple-redundant hacked/security-compromised windows boxes to spread tracker info. Let's see anybody try to shut down a moving target like that.
Meh.
Site was closed because i nor anyother admins dont have the time and will to fight the legal battles on BT.... We dont even want it to come to that and we dont have time to deal with the pressure anymore because we have other things to do.
Recently in the IRC room, this was said by sloncek, the person who ran suprnova.org.
[16:25] WhiteWo|F: Site was closed because i nor anyother admins dont have the time and will to fight the legal battles on BT.... We dont even want it to come to that and we dont have time to deal with the pressure anymore because we have other things to do
The excerpt can be found here
18] We next consider the issue of financial benefit. The plaintiff's allegations encompass many substantive benefits to Cherry Auction from the infringing sales. These include the payment of a daily rental fee by each of the infringing vendors; a direct payment to Cherry Auction by each customer in the form of an admission fee, and incidental payments for parking, food and other services by customers seeking to purchase infringing recordings.
So yes, the logic is that they gain both from renting to pirates as well as from admission.
I have blog like everyone else
http://www.silentdragz.net/suprfaq/
You also need the trackers. You can't distribute those
A possible way aroudn this would be to have trackers behind some sort of VPN (or perhaps even serioes of VPNs).
So somebody could host the IP and port (pointed to via some dynamic-dns providers) which would just forward (possibly via several hops) to the actual person hosting the tracker. Automaticly erase logs etc to prevent this being all traced.
It should provide an additional couple of levels of indirection until the technology leaps another generation.
"To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.
I am sorry but that's really a stupid suggestion.
In America politics are already controlled by big business. In the last election there were only a handful of congressional districts that were anywhere close to being competitive. Only a couple of states were in play for the presidential election too.
For the vast overwhelming majority of Americans their votes don't matter.
Also for 99% of the american public this is a non issue. They care way more about Gays being married then just about any other issue on the planet.
Politics isn't the answer, it's the problem.
evil is as evil does
Just exactly what is the punishment for conspiracy to commit copyright violations?
Anybody know the answer? Is that even a felony?
evil is as evil does
...and by linking to it on Slashdot you've managed to single-handedly do what the entire legal army of Swedish media conglomerates could not...
good work.
The data the authors of that paper used was, according to them, collected about a year ago. The website (http://www.peer-2-peer.org) also mentions that the actual data and scripts will be released at some point (anonymized). As for your friend... well, I'm sorry, but if he really did download that thing, then he only got what he deserves.
quidquid latine dictum sit altum videtur.
FAQ it's under the MIT license rather than in the public domain. Not that it makes much of a difference, of course.
________
Entranced by anime since late summer 2001 and loving it ^_^
I think those organizations shutting down these sites just started to initiate the next generation of decentralized P2P clients... That's usually the only thing they do, help speed up the next generation of file sharing software, more clever than the last time. It usually doesn't happen if not a great deal of sites are taken down, since then there's not as much need to advance technology.
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
I attribute it partly to stupid news sites reporting on it (and naming the site) and that idiot Kevin Rose trying to be a l33t underground p1rate hax0r by linking to torrent sites publicly, and in doing so, making them mainstream and leading to their death.
It's not rare for a story to be a dupe. But is it really necessary to post a comment that is a dupe?
English is easier said than done.
I think it was smart for them to shut down, think about it you're running a site which allows many people to share illegal software, games, music, movies, wouldn't you shut down? I would personally have done same, shut down the site and run for my life.
is now a godaddy space holder...
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms,
both .com and .net are scams IIRC.
.org; or are they
Another question is, does the MPAA know those
sites are not affiliated with
going to get shutdown as a cascade effect?
Oh fuck off you idiot.
If all the torrent sites going down carried Apple torrents you might have a leg to stand on, but not all carry software. Some only carry TV shows or movies.
We sure will miss you dozen or so linux folk and your strange ogg files. Lets be generous and say linux makes up 10% of the desktop market... Still nothing compared to 90% of the content on windows boxes. Stick with freenet.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
it was that bad was it?
spend money here
Why is it so hard to for the 'communities' to realize that bittorrent protocol itself is all you need for ratios? The built-in tit-for-tat mechanism makes sure there can be no leechers, everybody participates in uploading by default, everybody is happy. Tracking ratios the oldfashioned BBS-way is just plain stupid.
I would argue that the illegality of his actions is vastly out of proportion to the immorality of his actions
For the love of God, please learn to spell "ridiculous"!!!
i am looking at this matter as a battle. the industry's posse can keep suing the platforms but as far as i'm concerned, all they can do in IRC is force them to close the channels.
back in the days, I used IRC and then moved to napster, kazaa, BT, and others.. but now i guess it's time for us to move back and let others know that there is another way to download files for educational purposes !!!
Gawd-damn
I wonder if the shutdown won't just result in a bigger problem for MPAA & co.
Until now they had basically all torrents at one site, but now they are spread up - except that divide and conquer doesn't work when sqashing pirates. Kill one pirate site and two grow back to replace it.
Kinda reminds me of that old horror movie with the black stones that grew when hit with water, until they broke, then the pieces grew again - "Monolith" I think it was called.
+++ MELON MELON MELON +++ Out of Cheese Error +++ redo from start +++
At a time like this... all you need to know is which torrent sites are up and down. :)-
http://btsites.tk/
Over 500 sites listed... and updated regularly
Pay for your movies.
How does one legitimately acquire a copy of a movie that has completed its theatrical run but is not available on VHS or DVD in one's region?
I had a friend who was sent one of these notices after he downloaded a show from suprnova. Fortunately in Canada the notices don't mean jack because the ISPs aren't permitted to (or aren't willing to) turn over subscriber information without a court order. In fact several of the big high-speed ISPs went to court against the RIAA to fight this. It's nice having your ISP in your corner even if it's mutual self-interest rather than the big guy looking out for the little guy.
My username does not make me Apathetic. It's irony, get it?
and it has a search engine for firefox :)
Hello slashdot, my old friend, I've come to talk with you again...
People who will buy a cheap vcd release are already doing so from pirates.
You can either take the profits away from pirates by competing with them or throw money away trying to shut them down.
They whose government reduces their essential liberties for temporary security, receive neither liberty nor security.
It's been out for a few days...
Slyck.com is also down. Has their plug been pulled or are they experiencing too much traffic to handle?
Getting shut down would be strange since they neither host copyrighted-files nor have links to such material, but with the recent state of affairs I wouldn't be too surprised if they have also been sent a cease-and-decist order. ISONews were also shut down quite some time ago (if anyone remembers), even though they didn't link to any copyrighted material...
But they would lose money on honest people who used to buy expensive DVDs but switch now to VCD. That would outperform the marginal benefit from selling cheap stuff to former pirates by magnitudes imho.
You can see it @ flexbeta:p hp?catid=1& shownews=10928
http://www.flexbeta.net/main/comments.
I'm a signature virus. Please copy me to your signature so I can replicate.
Let's say I see a /. post that is going to be censored but contains material that I think is important to get out there (like copyrighted Scientology texts, or maybe Windows source code).
Assuming I have a halfway stable connection, in roughly 5 minutes I can create a torrent and host it myself using Azureus' built-in tracker. I can either post a link to the ad hoc tracker ("http://123.456.989:6969/" or "http://mymachine.dyndns.org:6969") or post the .torrent file itself here on on IRC or whatever. When I'm done I shut down Azureus and the tracker goes away.
Peers as trackers is as distributed as you can get.
this is the #1 reason that p2p clients should be open-source - every other p2p client that ISN'T open source insists on bundling who knows what other spyware and other malware into the application.
i mean, look what kazaa turned into - a spyware ridden piece of crap - you take a brand-new install of windows, install kazaa - voila a spyware ridden box that has the network connection being sucked up by the endless spyware on the machine.
no thank you.
has nothing to do with being a zealot (which may be the case as well) but more with just knowing that there will be alternatives to whatever commercialized crap version that the big companies decide to release.
Gekido's Lair
Everything is running fine until some moderators feel obligated to let the unwashed masses in on the secret of SuprNova.
Next time there is good working P2P systems up and running, please don't WRITE ARTICLES ABOUT HOW GOOD THEY ARE.
Seriously, can we let the lawyers find out about The-Next-Best-Thing(tm) on their own. Do we have to spoon-feed it to them and put a big bullseye on everything good?
Well that's sad for him, but what does that matter ?
He's from Norway. He probably has access to Norwegian TV channels.
He was just implying that Swedish TV Channels, or at least a subset of them anyway, do carry the show(s) he wants to see. However, he doesn't have access to them.
Have you ever heard of Winny? ...
Think of it as eMule using kad on strong encryption
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winny
I've used it for a while, and it rocks - if you're into purely jap stuff that is.
Buy all your crazy japanese videogames from
Murder?
:)
How about justifiable homicide?
There's nothing Intelligent about Intelligent Design.
http://mike-b.deviantart.com/journal/4103616/ :)
You're kidding me right?
Slashdotter: "My fellow Americans, join me in disabling the DMCA and other such acts that infrige upon our ability to transfer media over our downtown proxies through Peer-to-Peer sharing technologies!"
Yokel: ???
The point is that, as much as it might seem hard to believe, the vast majority of America doesn't _care_ about these issues.
Best. Webhost. Ever. Dreamhost.
You are in a twisty maze of processor lines, all alike.
There is a lot of hype here.
This was always a weakness with torrents... you have to get them from somewhere
I propose we follow usenet's example and start posting torrents in MIME base64 to slashdot!
O:-)
The slashdot editors took down the post and instead posted a long rant about Scientology's threat to free speech and liberty, complete with links to exposes of the church as well as links that would get you to the information that was originally taken down. It was a rather ingenious strategy, actually; they complied with the letter of Scientology's legal request while at the same time drawing way more attention to the material they took down (as well as creating an open forum for attacks on the church in the discussion). IIRC, the material that had originally been taken down was posted again to the followup discussion.
You can never stop piracy. People have been sharing copyright material ever since it became available. People have always bootlegged at concerts, copied their friends' music (either onto cassette tape or CD), rented films on VHS and copied them. It isn't legal, but it always has and always will go on. The difference now is that its happening on a larger scale than before, and that people are more easily caught. If I walk over to my friend's house, borrow a CD, take it home and copy it, there's no way anyone will ever find out. If I download the same CD over KaZaA or as a .torrent anyone can find out my IP address, get loads of info on me, and no doubt pressure my ISP into handing over my name/address. I can then be sued.
However, this will not stop piracy. Sure it might stop me (for a while at least) but its not gonna stop the majority. The MPAA/RIAA can shut down all the sites they want but sooner or later, they're gonna have to change their business model.
There's a great line in About A Boy about getting royalty fees from Christmas carol singers. This anti-P2P stuff is almost as insane.
If ignorance is bliss, knock the smile off my face.
I believe you are missing his point.
You are correct, we don't know effect in advance of cause, the Universe does not work that way, and we have not been granted an exemption.
"You have a right to do anything that does not harm another."
You can never know whether some action does or does not harm another. So, the question is, "what do you have a right to do?"
All you can do is guess whether someone will be harmed by your actions. So what do you have a right to do? The answer is, "anything that you guess is probably okay."
That is the way it has to be, the only way it can be, for us mere mortals.
Don't try to push off your responsibility onto the law, either. Politicians are no better at guessing right or wrong than you, and they have less interest in doing so--and I'm not just slamming on their honesty. A politician can't have more interest than you in the right-ness or wrong-ness of an action you are considering, because a) they're not you, and b) they're just writing laws, they don't have a decision sitting in front of them.
I expect some Insightful mods here, people.
i'd hit it so hard, if you pulled me out you'd be the king of britain [bash.org]
I saw a program on bbc2 in the uk regarding bit torrents not so long ago, I also noticed that there was a recent crack down on bit torrent websites and that many were going offline. they seems to think that they had to hit bittorrent websites hard like they hit napster hard, so it would have a similar impact on dvds etc as it did on mp3s. Whether it will happen or not, who knows. I personally think (or hope) the scene will go back to where it came from... IRC
I always asked why the MPAA should even bother worrying???
The quality of any downloaded movie i've ever seen has pretty well sucked compared to an actual DVD.
The only reason to download is to get a preview that i can see. I mean if the flick is worth watching, then 9 people out of 10 are probably going to buy or rent it....
but that's just the opinion of one man
Those who want to download Linux distros, don't worry. Those who like to download Adobe and MS software too, as well as other juicy stuff, it may be time to jump the ship.
Future Wiki -- If you don't think about the future, you cannot have one.
decentralised = good
anonymous = good
encrypted = good
slow as hell = give it time
trying to create a subculture = We prefer superculture, or supraculture, or ultraculture, or hyperculture.
beyond the control of legalities = free of the legal quagmire.
What?
looks like torrent.youceff.com is also down...
PS - This is what part of the alphabet would look like if the letters Q and R were removed. ~Mitch Hedberg (1968-2005)
Well after reading some of the post if you replace a few words in each post it starts to sounds like were all a bunch of drug addicts.
Why don't you just do a good thing and push all the posts listing sites still up down to -1. Make the lawyers WORK for it!!!
I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.
Make full and verifyable disclosure of identity a condition of participation in the network and set up a system for downloaders to keep detailed records of who provides each file they download. Write up a binding contract under which the people who collectively provide file(s) are responsible for providing license(s) for the people who download files holding them in trust or else purchasing them on demand.
In this system downloaders, having taken legal precautions can presume to have a legal license to the software they download. The provider(s) can reasonably claim that they will purchase and/or provide a license on demand for one of the people who have downloaded a file. If the MPAA goes after providers, the only evidence they have is that they provided a file to them, which they presumably have a license for. They can go after the downloader for not having a license, after which they would presumably contact the provider, who would then have to purchase a license, but they have no record of who downloaded the files, only the downloader does.
ISP monitoring could circumvent this, but the MPAA, etc. can't do this yet.
Any flaws?
BTW, I think compulsary licensing is the only really effective legal solution.
Jeremy.
Actually, they know very well most of what's out there and where it is. They are much better informed than whatever you can find in a /. article or by your average /. poster. They employ people who do nothing but tracking down sites and servers.
However, BitTorrent was designed to be used in such a way as to augment bandwidth, not create it. Your seeds should be fast and reliable, and then your torrent will be too. Most people who create torrents cannot or don't care to provide one or both of these, and that is why people like you develop attitudes like this.
As an aside, I'm happy to see some of the recent forays into more dynamic swarming applications. I'd love to see a swarmed version of HTTP, or some other protocol to distribute web content. Imagine if everyone who visited a website also helped seed for that website while it was open in a browser window? Bittorrent won't cut it, however, as there is no way to keep the same torrent but alter/update its content. And of course, dynamic website content wouldn't work at all.
Also, Shoutcast swarms could be especially nice.
The actions of the MPAA/RIAA with regards to p2p seems to follow the same self-defeating methodology as the US goverments terrorism stance.
Full frontal assault detroying the most obvious target and same result. Suprnova.org and TorrentBits will fragment. Guerrilla tactics will now ensue. The link sites will fragment and where you had a few massive sites you will now have hundreds of smaller ones made out of members of their communities.
It will become a war of attrition with the members of filesharing community gaining numbers with every news report mentioning file sharing. As happened before the sites will exchange links. And the MPAA/RIAA closed all roads to serious infiltration tactics.
I don't think file sharing could have a bigger friend then the MPAA/RIAA.
However, realistic and theoretical aren't the same in our world as they are in theirs...
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
it would make sense for coroprations to mirror the government, since corporations -are- the government in this country.
I agree with your sentiment. I am a strong believer (and participant) in open source and open standards. The problem I see is that too many people are stoked about these things as "Free as in free beer" and not Free as in freedom.
We have to understand that if we steal EVERYTHING, then our avenues of real freedom will be shut off as we lose credility and are swept under the rug in the massive corporate backlash that is SURE to follow.
What can we do? Grow up. Understand what kinds of freedom can really be gained from services like the torrent and benifit from them to help society. In short: get out of your Mom's basement and start contributing to our world. Who cares if you get free TV? It only rots your brain anyway.
"I am a patient boy. I wait I wait I wait. My time is water down the drain..." Fugazi
Mute is gaining traction as an anonymous file sharing program. It's not fast - and there's real organization to it yet, but there is progress being made unlike almost every other anonymous file sharing utility.
I use it daily...
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
It is simply illegal to pirate material, you cannot claim the user has "no right" since there are no international treaties that are binding which describes his "rights", and international trademarks don't count, they neither encompass nor approach the "right" to information.
So If a list of people (say abortion doctors for a real case) was posted, and one by one the people on this list were knocked off, you would not have a problem with the list?
I have an idealogical issue with the RIAA, the BSA, and heavy handed tactics. Do you know what I do? I avoid their products. It's legal and would work if everyone did it.
Instead, it seems people do like to watch movies and listen to songs and they just don't want to pay for it, plain and simple.
-Nuke the moon
How about this: instead of using Freenet to distribute each individual torrent, could you publish on Freenet a torrent that contains other torrents? For instance, a torrent for each category of files, like what was on Suprnova - a "Movies-Drama" torrent that contained a zipped file of all torrents in that category? This way, you wouldn't be relying on Freenet to distribute every torrent file, just a much smaller index of torrents.
If somebody wanted to take ownership of this, they could create a Freenet page with an anonymous feedback form. When somebody has a torrent to publish, they could submit the info to the anonymous form, and then the publisher would compile all the new torrents into the next version of the index.
I'm only an occasional user of bittorrent, and it's been a long time since i tried Freenet, but does this sound like something feasible?
I'm sure there is a good reason for this, but I can't work it out which is why I'm asking... Why doesn't suprnova.org host their site in some country that doesn't like the US and therefore the MPAA? The internet is obviously global and if murderers can hide in some country that won't extradite them to the US, why can't they host their website in some country that will basically tell the MPAA that the laws of the US don't apply there?
Welcome to the hard-nosed, fast paced era of big government. Put 1984, Gattica, and Brave New World away. You just need to look out your window. Is the US now defining BT as a form of terrorism? I think they would. Companies enjoy the same "rights" as individuals. They shouldn't have, but they do. Technically speaking, everyone that uses BT is terrorizing our corporate brethren. The USA is in such sad state of affairs. I'm waiting for the day it implodes. It won't be long. Survival of the fittest. The economy is the fittest that can afford the military fittest. I'm scared.
"He did get served with a civil suit by Nicole's family. That they did win. So he didn't escape punishment like anyone reading your post would otherwise conclude.
"
So? He's still free and better off than I am. I don't consider my life a punishment, so why should I consider his life a punishment?
Murderers are supposed to rot in jail. If they don't, they've gotten away with murder. This is not a dificult concept.
I've never seen any of those, even before this bug/feature/whatever was introduced.
If I was a programmer I'd write a patch to do what you suggest, but I'm not -- are you? Perhaps you could... or maybe if someone who reads this is, they could.
It's irritating how many times I have to fix links broken because of this before I can view them, although I can't really blame all the people who just don't know how to HTMLize a link (there's lots of them - have discovered that over the years)
i am a soviet space shuttle
You're supposed to think they're prostitutes, but it's really fraud. The fraud makes it legal. Two wrongs make a right.
Another thing I've learned, from talking to some girls who used to do that, but then "went legit" and became real prostitutes: many of the escort services in the book, even though they have different phone numbers, all actually go to the same phone. It's just a few cash'n'dash companies trying to create the appearance of a diverse market.
If you want a hooker, forget the yellow pages. Look them up on TER and get a relaxing BBBJTC-CIM-NQNS tonight.
You know, i dont know if this is a blessing or a curse really. ;) ) and shed out oodles of cash for them, sign over our souls etc... ( ok you can laugh now )
On the one hand, it will more then likely spur people on to create the next generation of p2p networks, just as the closure of napster spawned kazaa.
On the other hand its a remarkable opportunity for a LEGAL film/tv service to be created to replace it - as there is quite clearly a market in it.
I for one would actually pay for a legal service which showed the latest shows, FOR A REASONABLE PRICE, and without any adverts or possibly drm to spoil it. I dont have any problems with them watermarking the files however, so if they get out they can trace it back to someone.
I wouldnt be too happy if the files expired after a while but thats probably the only way i can see it happening. A subscription based model where person pays a small amount per month. if subscription is cancelled or isnt paid for, the timer keeping the files valid stops, and the files eventually stop working.
Of course, theres the 'apocalyptic' outcome of all this - being we all submit to the will of corporations ( stop laughing, let me finish fs
Ah well, its in the hands of geeks in one way or another i suppose. They either create the next gen of p2p services and drive *iaa into the ground, or they get hired by *iaa to make a decent, legal system.
perhaps if the beeb finish off that dirac codec, they could use that as a sort of standardised internet media format for tv shows and films? Food for thought perhaps.
[trnjw@eveningstar home]$ whois suprnova.orgn terestregistry.net] .
[Querying whois.publicinterestregistry.net]
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Domain ID:D96700160-LROR
Domain Name:SUPRNOVA.ORG
Created On:04-Apr-2003 21:28:07 UTC
Last Updated On:06-Dec-2004 15:03:21 UTC
Expiration Date:04-Apr-2009 21:28:07 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Go Daddy Software, Inc. (R91-LROR)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:GODA-07362285
Registrant Name:Registration Private
Registrant Organization:Domains by Proxy, Inc.
Registrant Street1:15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
Registrant Street2:PMB353
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Scottsdale
Registrant State/Province:Arizona
Registrant Postal Code:85260
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.4806242599
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:SUPRNOVA.ORG@domainsbyproxy.com
. . .
Wikileaks, no DNS
...so their fans would know if they are the true jerks.
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
I never pass up an opportunity to tell the world just how evil this cult is.
http://www.xenu.net
Muslim community leaders warn of backlash from tomorrow morning's terrorist attack.
I was bored so I thought I'd give it a shot...
My approach here was to send search requests to google then parse the results (HTML files) and search for torrent files in them. The program already works quite well and will download the first byte of each torrent to verify that there are no 404 errors and that it is *probably* a valid torrent (the first byte should be 'd').
I'm finalizing the interface now and will upload it and it's source shortly (it is a C# app BTW).
Doesn't matter whether they are publicised or not - it's the Spartacus effect*. There are far, far too many to take down or disable. It's beneficial to get the word out, too - better to have a few big, efficient networks than many scattered, underperforming ones. Besides, the real killer p2p app (decentralized, full privacy) will come that much faster this way.
*Not sure if I'm using that correctly.
Is a guess... but from posting on suprnova forums and the reponse I got from the mods there it comes down to one word... eXeem.
That's a darn good point - thanks. That message was posted partly out of irritation at all the /. "oh no, we can't download whatever we want anymore" whining, and could definitely have been clearer.
Agreed. I think it's rather shady to make it illegal to do so, too.
Nonetheless, that's the law. I think it's important to attempt to change that law so that things are more flexible, because I don't like the current state, but I don't think just ignoring the law is either ethical or helpful.
I agree. However, I don't think the right solution is to ignore the law - rather, I think the solution is to attempt to fix the law. It'll be slow and painful, but I do think it's possible. If nobody respects the law and instead decides to ignore it, that will only give the corporate interests more ability to harm them and make it easier for them to persuade politicians that even stronger laws are required.
I'd be much happier with a more balanced copyright scheme, but think we have to work to change it rather than ignoring it. These people make me angry because they go around ignoring copyright law, then scream when someone does the same to them. I'm hardly perfect when it comes to hypocrisy, but at least I try.
My original statement was poorly phrased, but I think the point stands.
Torrents have never been a good way to distribute illegal content. They're basically a step above Napster in the "hard to shut down" department (multiple independent servers, but it's still fairly centralized), and no better than it in the "plausible deniability" and "track-covering" departments.
Anybody who seriously believed that BitTorrent was a long-term tool for piracy was kidding themselves; even its author, Bram Cohen, notes that "distributing stuff that is clearly illegal with BitTorrent is a really dumb idea."
Hey, you try to find an open nick these days!
That was a U.S. court decision, this guy is talking about Canada.
Technically that's true, but it probably won't remain true for long. Not only do copyright industry trade groups buy off legislatures to pass laws, but they also buy off legislatures to bully other legislatures through "free" trade agreements into harmonizing their copyright laws to the version that gives the copyright owner the greatest extent of monopoly.
heh - check out my past posts if you want to see my view on the USA. Suffice it to say that I don't think you'll find I'm a bush fan ;-)
/. if this was a company using GPL code, it _would_ be the end of the world. *sigh*. Yes, I'm a contributor to GPL projects, not a whining observer. I'd be pretty mad if it happened to me. Since my work is protected by the SAME LAW that these people are ignoring, they kind of shit me.
I'm also hardly going to argue that breaking copyrigh law is in any way up there on the bad scale. That wasn't the point, though, and you're attempting to refute an argument I didn't try to make.
Of course, on
My view is that ignoring copyright law weakens our chances of fixing it and reduces our chances of actually making a more balanced system possible. In fact, it probably gives the large media powers more ability to make the law even less reasonable. Is that really a fair price for a few free movies?
This was posted on the SuprNova site sometime before it went offline.
Greetings everybody,
As you have probably noticed, we have often had downtimes. This was because it was so hard to keep this site up! But now we are sorry to inform you all, that SuprNova is closing down for good in the way that we all know it. We do not know if SuprNova is going to return, but it is certainly not going to be hosting any more torrent links. We are very sorry for this, but there was no other way, we have tried everything.
Thank you all that helped us, by donating mirrors or something else, by uploading and seeding files, by helping people out on IRC and on forum, by spreading the word about SuprNova.org. It is a sad day for all of us!
Please visit SuprNova.org every once in a while to get the latest news on what is happening and if there is anything new to report on.
As we wish to maintain the nice comunity that we created, we are keppig forums and irc servers open.
Thank you all and Goodbye!
sloncek & the rest of the SuprNova Team
Hell, I'm with you. I think the current situation totally sucks. Check out my other replies so I don't repeat myself ad nausium.
As for technology - hell yes. Problem is, ignoring copyright law makes it less likely that we'll get anything like that, and more likely that if we do, it'll be so locked down with DRM that it's totally useless.
I find the industry's lack of imagination and determination to hang on to their existing distribution model very frustrating. I want it to change, because I don't want to have to break the law to watch a DVD for example. I think people who ignore the rules rather than try to change them harm the chances of that ever happening.
It seems for now TorrentBits have just changed domain name to http://www.cyphersworld.com/
I just checked suprnova (10pm est), and its up. Funny, I thought they where dead
You make a good point. It doesn't change the fact that I'm hardly sad to see them go (but see my other replies to replies to my post - lots of folks have asssumed I like the current laws and power balance, which is just right off), but you're quite right that they weren't hosting anything illegal.
Of course, they were tacitly condoning the hosting and downloading, which is probably what's shut them down. All we can do right now is guess anyway.
I've explained this fully in my other replies to replies to my post, but in brief:
Agreed, I think it's stupid that they can entirely control their work when the've just built on the public domain. I don't like the current situation, I think it's totally unresonable and getting more so. I do think we should try to change the law rather than ignoring it or the problem will only get worse, and I think sites like this harm rather than help that aim.
Agreed, providing a list isn't illegal. Maintaining a list that you know is and will be used for copyright infringement might be though - hard to say. I didn't say I liked the way these people have been takend down (and we don't know why they were anyway), only that I wasn't sad to see them go.
I want to see things fixed properly and the copyright system restored to some sane balance. Ignoring the law it will only make that harder IMO. I've written more about this in other replies to replies to my original post.
Oh c'mon. What's the rush? Where's the fire? Let's help make it faster and better. If it doesn't look viable, let's create something that is. The solution exists. It's up to us to discover it.
What?
How could the MPAA get a subpoena for information they don't have any right to(the records of who downloaded what from whom) when there is no illegal activity going on?
Perhaps they could accuse somebody of fraudulently misrepresenting that he has the authority to grant such a license?
Do you have a problem with locking up people who use screwdrivers, chopsticks, forks and knives to kill people?
I can, if people read the the stuff under the submit button, look at what they see. That is not very hard, so why can people use it? Gah.
Wow, I should not post when knackered.
How did they get his email address?
In my earlier post, the point I was making is this: There are some universal values which everyone the world over would agree furthers humanity.
A research in the mid-to-late 1990s did a comprehensive survey of different cultures and societies the world over, and came up with a list of universal human values. I must have read it in New Scientist, Discover Magazine, or Scientific American, but I could not find it tonight. (If you, dear reader, can provide a link to the research I am describing, I would appreciate it.)
What I did find is this Short List of Universal Human Values:
(Source: A Short List of Universal Moral Values. Therese M. Dautheribes, Jerry L. Kernes, Richard T. Kinnier. Counseling and Values. Volume 45, Issue 1, Page 4.)
That's the full list. The reason media conglomerates are having a hard time is because file sharers believe that they are acting in accordance with these values. To their eyes, it is the media companies that are the villains, using legal contortions to stop people from doing what they feel is good or beneficial to society at large.
It's a real shame too because DV had a lot of stuff that was impossible to get hold of. It was also cutting the bottom out of any profitabiltiy releasing old movies on DVD had. I don't buy DVDs, I can't afford to. I rent them. I saw DV as a VERY convenient rental service. I would've paid to get rid of the ratio and have the quality of titles available without DRM.
Ya, getting a slip of paper in the mail always gives me the jitters too.
The sites are slow because they run a database of torrent files in the background. Also, their html is full of crap and they serve ads.
In Soviet America the banks rob you!
a) the new secure/anonymous torrent technology will be forced out into the open.
:)
b) with all the 'free' software for windows gone, all the torrents left are for linux distros
All the free software you need at your nearest torrent site
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. Emo Philips
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Download:
GTorrent.zip
It actually works quite well. Be sure to play with the options, the default timeout is set to one second (because when your searching ~50 links one second takes a long time) and may reject valid torrents.
The program is witten in C# and the binaries and source are included. If you get an error when you run it you need the .NET Framework (link above).
Also, for the love of god, be very gentle. My machine is very old and it's connection very poor.
A world without rules, and society are polar opposites.
Maybe so. A world without rulers just might work though.
What?
...looters, those who raid that wealth by force of law or intimidation.
...the precedent being set shifts the burden of ethical behavior away from the looters and puts it squarely on the shoulders of the producers...
...producers - who were acting ethically to begin with!
force of law...you mean like copyright?
intimidation...something like lawsuits? See scientology.
This depends on your point of view. Some might consider that the copyright holders are the looters. Most understand they they(copyright holders) do not want to halt piracy. They would lose significant market share if they did halt it. Some, like me, would also question just who is the criminal here. See payola, price fixing, etc.
Excuse me? How ethical was it for them to run off to California to evade Edison's patents? Also I repeat, see payola, price fixing, etc. These people are everything BUT ethical.
The producers already recognize that the most profits would be made, short or long term, if the criminals could be made to stop committing crimes.
Hah! They should talk!
Try to focus on the fact that this talk about piracy and copyright infringement is a smokescreen to cover up the "producers" attempts to stamp out self publishing and distribution. They are simply trying to insure that they own and control all widely distributed works.
What?
I don't like the current situation, I think it's totally unresonable and getting more so. I do think we should try to change the law rather than ignoring it or the problem will only get worse, and I think sites like this harm rather than help that aim.
I disagree with you about some things here. First off things are getting better, Linux is growing at 20%+ per year, the RIAA and MPAA as we know them are industries in decline, and the copyright press and media are slowly but steadially being bypassed by the internet. The only reason why things are so intense now, is that they are like a drowinding desperate fool thrasing arround violently and willing to bring anyone else down with them that they can grab onto. No doubt there is allot of collateral damage, but they are the ones under siege, they are the ones stuck in a doomed paradigm as society enters an information age that must be based off the unrestricted flow of information. It is parallel to how the industrial revolution demanded a free and mobile workforce, which brought doom to the plantation system, and all their phoney "property rights", and all their BS morality, and all their vast holdings and commerce allong with it.
Second, I disagree with you about breaking human made laws. If human systems have a right to impose unjust laws, humans souls have a right to defy them. The problem here isn't an unjust law or two that needs changing, it is an unjust belief system brought to it's logical conclusion. There is a big difference between ignoring a legal glitch vs outright defiance of an unjust belief.
The ISP forwarded the notice they received. Think "stern disapproving look".
My username does not make me Apathetic. It's irony, get it?
bittorrent is a good solution to the distribution limitations of the Internet. Its the best way to distribute game patches.. I'm sure those proponents of the dieing star-network model, or the centralized hub, will battle the dominance of the peer/distributed content model.. The problem with the pay per play content business is it has fallen down and it can't get up.
Just say no to license servers!!
What is the outside world to make of that?
That the law is clearly for sale to the highest bidder?
My senses are telling me that we are letting criminals make the laws and run the show.
What?
BitTorrent has a queue as well; it's just much shorter because there are more people sharing the file you're looking for, and there's more bandwidth available. Think about it: I've never heard of a case where someone sharing anything remotely worthwhile on emule didn't have their upload bandwidth maxed out. So both clients are equally fast, namely, as fast as people are able/willing to upload. For some reason (partly because simple BT clients don't have the option to limit uploads) there is much more upload bandwidth available in BT, but if the same bandwidth were available in the ed2k network, dowloads there would be equally fast.
The only thing I wonder is...what can they REALLY prove after you get that?
All they have is a data file with a bunch of IP addresses that they claim were responsible for infringement... I could make that up any day, just need to pick a random list of IPs. Hell, they could just use the counter on their web page.
Can this really, truly stand up in court?
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all this means, is that the torrents are gone, so now just anyone will be able to get whatever they want. Maybe its a blessing in disquise. All the people that know what they are doing, will still be able to get what they want...via IRC and such...this just means taht this will not be available to the masses anymore, so maybe the MPAA other folks will lay off...and let us geeks be in out IRC channels. There are only some poeple that know how to use IRC, this means that less people know about it, means is less main stream, and means we can stay hidden longer....c u there..... -EL
-EL
Nonetheless, the person who owns the copyright has the exclusive right to choose how it's copied.
In that case, corporate personhood is the problem.
If you don't like what somebody does with their own intellectual property, you are completely free to release your own under the terms you choose.
No I can't. If I create what I sincerely believe is an original work, some incumbent copyright owner is likely to come out of the woodwork and claim I copied it. This happened to George Harrison, and statistics show it could happen to any songwriter.
Only download bootlegged stuff from known "bad" corporations? Who decides which ones are "bad"?
You hint at a definition of "bad" later in your comment:
We're losing a lot more to that than I think most people realize in countries that have extended their copyright periods beyond reasonable limits.
In that case, just define a "bad" copyright owner as any entity who filed an amicus curiae brief in Eldred v. Ashcroft in favor of upholding copyright term extension.
Man, you INSULTED me!
.si and our gov's web page www.gov.si
See google search for
Our "slovakian" country is called SLOVENIA.
*gosh*
No more I say.
I trust I shouldn't have to explain this again
You trust ? On Slashdot ? You must be new around these parts.
Seriously, can we let the lawyers find out about The-Next-Best-Thing(tm) on their own. Do we have to spoon-feed it to them and put a big bullseye on everything good?
/. doesn't really deserve to be out there in the first place. You're just whining that you can't get to your free warez as easily as you've gotten used to. So what?
What's the point of having a good thing if you can't tell anyone about it?
Obviously it wasn't that good if it went down with the mere threat of a raid by the authorities. It wasn't that good if the authorities in multiple countries could be talked into performing such a raid. Sites that demonstrably use Bittorrent for purely legal distribution of such files that they own the copyright to will not be going down. Your favorite Linux distro, for example, will still be available by Bittorrent most likely.
No lawyer has any legal ground to stand on to convince the authorities in France to shut down Mandrake's Bittorrent tracker, run by Mandrake and published with a link on Mandrake's own website. SuprNova and the others are going down for the same reasons the original Napster went down; because they were too centralized and operated on the fringes of legality, if not totally outside the law.
What's that old saying again? What doesn't kill an Internet technology will only make it stronger. This won't kill BT for 100% legal uses and a new decentralized P2P technology is already evolving (exeem?) to replace BT for stuff like warez that can't be shown to be 100% legal. If you try to keep things secret you just put off the inevitable. The lawyers will always find out about and attack questionably legal things eventually, that's their job. Plus, the more people you keep out with your secrecy, the worse performance you'll get from your BT downloads.
In the end, the next "working" P2P system will be that much closer to being indestructible. They certainly won't be able to take it down just by shutting down one website or writing an article about it on Slashdot. Anything that can be killed by a simple article on
Bittorrent was never even designed to do what it has been used for by sites like SuprNova, despite how cool it may have been while it worked. The creator of Bittorrent said so himself. It was not designed to be an instructible way to exchange copyrighted data illegally without fear of reprisal. It's not Slashdot's fault that you and others decided to use it for this purpose anyway. Slashdot is really doing you a favor by hastening the evolution of the next generation P2P clients. You'll get access to your warez and old TV shows, don't you worry. It just won't be via SuprNova.org after today.
You have no defensible point and yet you were modded +5, Insightful. At least 3 mods should be ashamed today.
I wonder, if they manage to lock down .torrent sites, what stops them not to lock down IRC sites that hosts links to same .torrent sites.
Just look at on this link http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/14/1http://lives.sourceforge.net
I would think that all the sharing on IRC that goes on (both legal and illegal) would switch from having their bots/people/whatever from hosting actual files to hosting torrent files. I'm sure some already do this, but think about how much bandwidth is saved.
Perhaps someone should create a plug-in/add-on/script/whatever for their favorate IRC client that allows it to access BitTorrent? That way, not only will the channel admins be spared, but if the BitTorrent client is part of the IRC client then the files will remain accessable as long as the downloaders keep their clients open for IRC use, as opposed to many people now who just close BitTorrent after they download (yes, guilty...I rarely use BitTorrent, though). This will also free up those nasty queues you might wait forever in, even when attempting to download something perfectly legally.
I understand that DCC was created as a specific addition to IRC, and no one wants to see IRC clients start to become all-in-one super apps with included web browsers, word processors, and the kitchen sink. However, IRC clients do usually at least have decent scriptability, and so it might be nice to add such functionality for the users who really want to add it in.
Has anyone done something like this already?
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If the **AA wants to collect your IP address they simply have to join the swarm.
I often think about this. Ofcourse, they're able to do this and obtain ip addy's of everybody who's sharing. But in joining the swarm, they're also sharing (and thus, contributing to the swarm). Which means, i think, that they're doing something illegal. Can they still sue after being illegal themselves? I would think that all excuses they come up with are the same other people could use.
Perhaps a possible solution to this problem is to use a system like Gnutella or even FreeNet to distribute the tracker advertisement data. A crude solution would be to just "share" the .torrent files on Gnutella, but someone clever could perhaps come up with a better plan that plays off some of the characteristics of BitTorrent and its trackers to make things more efficient. One possible idea that springs to mind is to have the clients for this automatically create and advertise new trackers in preference to the original tracker. This would have the disadvantage that it would split up the pool of available seeds but it would also spread around the liability of running a tracker and make it hard to trace who originally created it. The clients don't even need to be seeding the files they are providing trackers for as long as they can get a good list of sources from a parent tracker, meaning that this could happen automatically with no user intervention and each user wouldn't really know what they were acting as a tracker for, reducing the liability aspect.
I don't really know enough about how BitTorrent works to think about this in any more detail, but I'm sure there are others that could work on this, and probably already are. Leaving the BitTorrent transfer protocol intact assures that it can continue to be used in the current, more efficient way for more "legitimate" transfers, such as retrieving Linux distributions.
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for having the idea of putting suprnova on freenet! could freenet take that level of bandwidth? i'm not completely familiar with freenet, but i know the general idea that anything on freenet is, in theory, completely anonymous
Here is the new system everyone: Post your .torrent files on traditional P2P systems with searches. PLEASE include a date in the filename, so that people can try the most recent ones first (cuz there are going to be tons of dead .torrent files laying about in people's sharing directories).
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there is a difference between cheap and poor....im already paying for an appartment, school, and ocational gram or 2, not to mention i dont have a job(thanx mom and dad)...i cant afford to blow another 60$ to play the newest game. I can buy windows, all i use it for is games, and other then that, its linux. I use teh free alternative where possible, IE linux, open office, but things that arnt free i can get, so i have to download them, so im not cheap, im not like...thahhaa...take that video game industry....i just cant afford to buy the games and software, so i download it...
-EL
I was notified by my university's judicial board about such a similar copyright infringement. And if I do remember correctly it was a torrent I downloaded off of suprnova.
I was fined by the school and kicked off resnet. I was also required to make an informational flyer educating others about what is legal and illegal for download.
I guess they're really cracking down...
Look, you're missing my point.
This thread is about using Freenet as a potential replacement for other filesharing services.
I don't have to support anything.
Freenet will never become a replacement for other filesharing services. Why? Because it isn't a popular service today, and probably never will be.
In addition to being dog-slow and hard to use, many people like me won't support Freenet because freenet requires that you host anonymous content on your machine. There is too much Kiddy Porn and too little Legit Content, at a much higher ratio then other file-sharing services, to the point where I question the legitimacy of Freenet as a "freedom tool" at all.
Hey, believe me I understand your argument about fasist governments. I've worked with numerous groups under represive regimes. Because of the long memory of the Internet, I choose not to post that information here. Ironically, this is a good use for Freenet.
94% of Repubs and 21% of Dems voted to renew the Patriot Act
And the assistance that's going on in Finland?
I have no firsthand experience with Finns. I do have fairly extensive experience with the 17-23 set in the US both in college environments and in the workplace. I've watched them slack off in classes, destroy things out of idle boredom, and drop trash on the ground because they're too lazy to walk an extra 15 feet out of their way to the trash can. I also see Indian and Chinese students excelling in the classes that many US citizens don't take because they're too hard/require too much effort, and in general, treat the education they're offered as a real priviledge. But the US students still expect to graduate and land a $40K+/year job.
It has mearly made it easier for individuals to become crimminals than previously available.
Like I said, people will often do what they think they can get away with, particularly if they don't have to see it hurt individuals.
As far as the other AC's comments on digital enabling artists to get away from the big companies, that's very true. However, from what I've seen, the vast majority of what goes on P2P networks is the same old stuff that the major companies have made. Run a search on a P2P network of choice and tell me how many results are returned for Usher, Maroon 5, and Nelly. Then tell me how many are returned for The Renderers, Spacetime Continuum, and Robert Fripp.
Someone just sent me this link: http://torrent.hackz.nl/
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the editors showed that contrary to their disclaimer, they do exercise full editorial discretion over the content of the site. That makes them fully liable for any illegal solicitation which they allow to remain visible.
in that case:::::
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Hitler is Alive and Well
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umm no, we are more alive than ever. We chose to cooperate as per our copyright policy: http://isohunt.com/dmca-copyright.php
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I rewrote it to use the Google Web API (and comply with Google's Terms of Use).
As an upside it now returns more results, but as a downside you need a Google Web API Licence Key to use it (if you already have a GMail account just fill in your login and you'll get one no hassle). See the readme.txt for more info (And how to obtain a key).
I find it interesting that this guy is more willing to give his money to Suprnova.org than the various media industries.
To me this indicates that the media industries are just going to keep on losing that potential income they are so desperate to keep.
Hmm, not sure what you're trying to say, but I was taking no particular stance for/against P2P when I wrote that, just telling what I think will happen, looking at history.
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