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linuxbeta writes "With the recent SUSE LINUX 9.3 Live DVD ISO released, we get a sneak peek. (screenshots) of this much anticipated OS update. Cool updates in 9.3 includes Firefox 1.0, OpenOffice.org 2.0, Gimp 2.2, Beagle. Xen, VoIP client, and more." And while Debian's Sarge isn't here yet (give Branden Robinson a chance to find his plush new office!), wrochal points out that the fifth update to Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 ("Woody" ) has arrived. 3.0 (r5) "mainly adds security updates to the stable release, along with a few corrections to serious problems." Also, four packages were removed, three for license violations.
It's "peek", not "peak", ffs.
Well there was a mountain-load of screen shots.
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It was too sexy.
This strategy will not "draw" in the crowds - most people give up before tinkering with the system. It has to work smoothly right out of the install (mostly).
I generally think Suse is one of the most polished distros out there, but it still has a way to go with multimedia, to get it to appeal to joe-computer user and Grandma who are scared of "breaking" things on the computer.
Linux is on the cusp from going from "hacker" OS to main-stream, but still has some catching up to Windows in certain things - mainly multimedia. Yes I know there are plenty of programs that work great - but the average user, I think, would not have the expertise to get it to work easily right off the DVD.
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OpenOffice 2.0????? Isn't it in beta still?
There are est. 20 new packages each week inserted into testing("sarge").
this is a maintenance release.
unfortunatly.
I'm going to assume you're being sarcastic here seeing as OO.org is/was recently in beta, and the GIMP 2.2 isn't even classed as 'stable' in Gentoo yet. SUSE are known to be version number chasers. They've been doing it for a while, and if they're not careful it could bite them in the ass.
Direct link to ISO file on Slashdot main site. Let the slashdotting begin!
OO.o at least is officially on 1.1.14; 2.0 is merely a beta. Gimp 2.2 is not that old, but yes, I'd expect 2.4, at least. I've immensely surprised about Firefox, though - very strange indeed, especially as nearly all of the updates since 1.0 have been security based, rather than adding new and unstable features.
So we have the recent crying session, over ubuntu and kubuntu being harmful to debian,when actually it comes to be a concern over "Release" dates and Press. Smells fishy to me.
My cat's picked up a Hammer. HEY! Put down that Hammer. Put Down that Hamm...THUNK!
They're not going to change kernel versions for a maintenance release!
I got Suse 9.3 Friday after ordering from Novell.com 2 weeks ago.
mp3s work out of the box using Juk.
I watch DVDs using MPlayer which I installed using the apt port for Suse.
There are 4 mulitmedia packs you can download from Suse using Yast.
Understand?
This guy is way out there
not to troll here, (and using a windows port would turn me off too) but half the time we either can't get audio to play correctly in mplayer, or the damn copy protection is causing problems. methinks RIAA is making it tough for linux users. actually, almost everywhere i go, i see problems with playing back rented or bought DVDs, even on (especially on) stand alone DVD players for TVs.
i disable sigs
Did anyone else notice the "My Computer" icon? Eww
I just thought that Debian Sarge was released and was already ordering a church service to thank god at last!
can we get a torrent for the Live ISO..?
The Good Life
Does anyone know where to get binaries of this little gem? A few higher-quality icons REALLY goes a long way...
Defenestrate Windows...
Join the torrent
torrent link
Debian doesnt release very often, so who knows how long until sarge gets here?
It's not clan or klan. It's klean ;-)
However, I haven't found a torrent for it. Torrent Reactor has some 9.3 versions, including a 5 CD set, but not this one LiveDVD version.
Bill Stewart
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I just downloaded 9.2.
Can Linspire play DVDs? Why, yes. It can play DVD's. What's more, the Linsoire DVD player is Xine. Some how, little Linspire has managed to figure out how to legally play MP3's and DVD's.
If Linspire can do it, then there is no excuse for any commercial distro not to be able to play MP3s and DVDs. Just like real commercial distros such as Windows and OS X are capable of.
...why does Linux spend it's entire time trying to be Windows 95?
Because to me it's really strange. A hell of a lot of Linux users seem to spend their time hating on Windows. Fine Windoze sucks. But why does every Linux desktop look like Windows ? That same bluey default feel. Shitty Windoze 3.0 aliased font with the dashed selection outline. The 'My Computer' thing.
Seriously, Move on. Stop trying to recreate Windows in Linux. Stop being inspired by Windows. Let KDE and GNOME people find their own style instead of trying to copy ancient horrible OSs.
I know it's hard but you people really have to think a little bit bigger.
Getting multimedia to work with Windows XP is still somewhat of a pain. Yes Windows Media Player does a fairly good job, but there are still tons of files/formats that just don't play right off the bat..
Annotated Links: http://www.google.dk/search?hl=da&q=windows+%2B%2
Why?
Screenshots is not valid to see if the distribution is well developed and is in a solid state to use.
I can't see in screenshots if a application is the best to use, if it haven't bugs. Any search in google brings me a lot of screenshots.
http://www.michel.eti.br
Oiee CPU0 is history.
No harm done but kind of a scary error message.
Help fight continental drift.
This is only the beginning, grab what you can now for tomorrow it may be gone.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Right on brother. And here are the facts that no one in the Suse camp wants to face up to:
1) Turbolinux, a distribution with a lot less mindshare and less money can afford to ship you a legal DVD player for $69 but somehow Novell cannot do so?
1a) Unless you are a corporate buyer, you see HP's Suse notebook comes preloaded with PowerDVD.
2) Slide two of the Suse silliness presentation is not that they not ship multimedia codecs out of the box. If that were our only problem. Debian, Red Hat and Mandrake do not ship libdvdcss or any of the other codecs, but once you add them, your existing Totem or Kaffeine players play.
2a) But no, Suse has to go way beyond what's required and actually goes into the source code for Xine and Kaffeine and cripples so that even if you add the missing codecs/libraries, it still will not play.
2b) So what do you do? You have to remove kaffeine, xine, xine-libs ad nauseam and then install apt-get and install those programs from a third-party and hope that it doesn't break anything else. Why is this bad?
Because you no longer get updates for those packages from Suse and because mixing apt and yast sources can often leave your system in an inconsistent state.
All of this is a damn shame, because Suse is an awesome distribution with some stupid, stupid, stupid policies that have no legal or logical basis.
Hopefully, this long response will serve as a permanent rebuttal to all of the Suse fanboys. Liking a distribution should not be tantamount to giving them carte blanche to screw you over.
Summary of facts:
1) Suse ships DVD-playing software whenever the hell it pleases it.
2) Other distributions manage to ship a dvd player for $69, yet Suse costs $85-99 or more.
3) Suse cripples standard libraries and thus has disqualified itself from the home market. I will not touch it for these reasons and I have stopped recommending it to friends and clients.
Pragmatism as an ideology is not particularly pragmatic in the long term. Keep it in mind when you dismiss Free Software
You've got to be kidding! I was using Potato when I was a kid, and my nick will tell you how long ago THAT was!
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
Perhaps because Debian's flag only has 13 stars.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
If the next one is going to take as long as this one, I'd be concerned about such things, too. There will always be new releases of some packages, though, and the line has to be drawn somewhere. With any luck, Branden's going to be able to speed up the release process somewhat and it won't be an issue.
Some other commercial distros are pretty well thought out as well.
Example: Xandros3.
( oh, and they offer a community edition you can actually download and install, not some 'ftp only' garbage )
Mepis is also pretty far up there for 'well planned out'.
Both debian based, which is a plus for the future.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
In addition to being copyright infringement, these proprietary codecs don't work on non-i386-based platforms. One of the hallmarks of FLOSS is portability. I think it's a good thing that I can give someone a copy of an Ogg Vorbis file and not have to care what hardware they're using because I know it's likely that there's a program to play the audio file on their computer. Now, even portable digital audio players play Ogg Vorbis files, so people can hear high-quality compressed audio without being near their computer.
This is part of the reason why I'm anxiously awaiting Dirac and why I'm reading the Theora spec. I want to be able to point to a complete and competitive FLOSS codecs which are genuinely useful for movies.
We also ought to promote the use of these codecs and not be so eager to distribute copies of files encoded with proprietary or patent-encumbered codecs.
Digital Citizen
Here's a torrent for SuSE 9.3. Go swarm happy!
Woops. The link would have helped! Sorry. http://www.knetdome.com/bt/?torrent=suse93
Novell Linux Desktop doesn't have a default desktop. It explicitly asks you whether you want Gnome or KDE during the install.
Breakfast served all day!
Ubuntu can potentially take the lead to create a one disk desktop distribution and the basis for some customised Debian distributions on three or four platforms. Debian provides infrastructure on 11 architectures and a wider selection of packages, some of which Ubuntu choose to mirror in their universes. Both distributions need the other to some extent and there is no particular "one size fits all" mentality for either of them.
I don't have money to pay for a DVD recorder drive, or even a reader, I just have this nice CD-RW 52X from LG and I'm happy with it. So how can I install suse 9.3 by downloading cd isos to burn? (no ftp install, thanks). I supose I'll have to wait it to appear on torrent sites or emule?
I don't keep up with every single distro (I just do servers), but what's the point in showing screenshots ? Every distro looks more or less the same because it's always a rehash of the same software.. different package managers, different default background images, different color schemes during INIT.. that's pretty much it.
What do screenshots mean in such a scenario ? I know I'm being overly critical but any default X configuration tends to look like 1994 nostalgia. Why can't we style KDE to look like Panther or something ? Always that "blah" blocky gray bar nagging at my subconscious. No shadows/depth, no perception of interactivity. Yes I know I'm being overly artsy but if I'm looking at a GUI that's slowing me down vs the command line, that GUI had better make up for its inefficacies by being intoxicatingly sexy and curvy.
-Billco, Fnarg.com
Ubuntu is Debian with 'less software', dick.
Well, I think they should have kept all of Debian's dick in Ubuntu.
Don't think so. I use Sarge almost 100% of the time. I've tried Ubuntu Hoary, it's currently installed on another partition of the same machine. I have 0% problems with Sarge. Hoary, while yes, it's nice and slick etc.. gives the occasional lockup. The most recent required a press of the big red button, as the mouse would move, but both the display, and keyboard input were frozen. This is only the latest glitch I've experienced, and I can't seem to find any reason, as they have all been different, and aparently random.
So, in a nutshell, I'm still more than happy with Debian just the way it is. A release would be nice though, granted. That way we can move on to things like x.org. The next version of testing is gonna be SWEET!
The parent said "I actually bought Codeweavers and have installed mplayer," not "I bought Codeweavers to install mplayer." Codeweavers can do stuff that mplayer can't, and vice versa, so it's perfectly logical to install both of them if you're looking for an ideal multimedia experience.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
I'm doing fine without buying anything and he had no idea what he's talking about. And it definitely sounds like he's running MPlayer under Codeweavers since the Win32 port is the only version of MPlayer I know of that has problems with codecs. My multimedia experience on Suse has no problems and the parent poster is spreading FUD. Hell, I even told the guy how to do install what he needed!
This guy is way out there
I have tried SUSE countless times. DL'ed the last Live DVD and same problem.....it will not boot! No command line..doesn't get to that point. I know others have had problems with SUSE's distro doing the same thing. Have they fixed this problem on latest Live DVD? P1.7/512/ATI Radeon 9600 AIW
Where's the x86_64 version? SuSE seems to have an iso for every other architecture but mine. Guess I'll just keep waiting...
You are welkome
Websters Dictionary: "Debian" Once a Mainstay in linux distributions and somewhat innovative in package mangagement with "apt get" it fell into
stagnation no doubt helped in part by it's so called "Debian Social Contract" and painfully slow release schedule. In later days it was surpassed by other more up to date distributions with other package systems with more flexibility and power.Debian R.I.P
Step out of the box and enjoy life
I just upgraded to SuSE 9.3 and all I can say is so far everything is working smoothly and seems stable. It comes with the 2.6.11 kernel with some nice add-ons like subfs. My setup is not typical, either.
This upgrade was actually one of the smoothest SuSE upgrades I've done.
-Aaron
This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal.
Get your facts straight before you jump all over some one.
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haha. You troll what you do not understand.
Debian and Ubuntu are complimentary.
It's not Debian vs Ubuntu, it's Debian AND Ubuntu.
The description is misleading. 9.3 includes Firefox 1.0.1. I would assume that 1.0.3 will be released as a security update.
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I just tried the Suse 9.3 live eval, and I found one thing that was cool. My wireless card actually worked! I connected and was viewing /. and using GAIM in no time at all!!!! Now, if they could just make this work in everything lol.
Oh, and sound didnt work.
oh well
Yes, but think of how stable Woody has to be by now! After 4 years of being the stable release, this thing must have no bugs! Actually, the r5 release makes it seem like things are starting to look up for debian. That's the second release this year! At this pace, Sarge should be out in 2 months! Don't forget me saying this, 2 months. June 17, 2005, we will have a stable Debian Sarge!
Now I can't read any paragraph that describes something as "polished" without thinking of a friend named Bielecki. You bastard!
Consciousness is a myth. Trust me.
So I download the 1.4 Gig image and run the boot.
I watch the whole boot process as it finds varions VIA chipsets, ATA configurations and 3com network setups. 3 guesses what breaks the boot. If you guessed the VIDEO CARD failing to initialize give yourself a lollipop.
It's not like I'm using anything crazy. I have an ATI Radeon 9000 with a Samsung 700NF capable of displaying 800x600@120Hz.
This is really starting to bust my chops. Who will EVER switch from windows if they can't see the damn login screen.
From here I'm heading to Novell's site to search their knowledge base, but this is not something I should be doing, especially on a LIVE CD.
Everyone is making a big deal about SuSE having linphone as a part of the distro. So, I installed SuSE 9.3 yesterday and selected to install linphone. Well, guess what? As soon as I start up linphone, the program pops up. If I type in something and press call or try to select preferences from the menu, linphone crashes.....every...single....time. I didn't get it to work even once.
Why offer it as a package if it doesn't even remotely work with a clean install?
It's about choice which increases market penetration.
I don't make predictions, and I never will.
yeah, but what about the package repositories, and the likelyhood of me getting debians repositories to work in ubuntu?
... Disclaimer: I barely know how to Read, please dont expect me to spell right!
I just upgraded my Suse 9.2 (with external install sources) to Suse 9.3 and now it DOES NOT BOOT INTO X. I'm hacking away at it right now trying to figure this mess out.
As usual, Debian (with external install sources) upgraded just fine to the latest.
With "commercial" distros, WHY do I have to format my computer every single time?
I know these community distros Gentoo, Debian, Slack, etc. are a bit more complex to install (except for maybe Ubuntu), but at least I don't have to go through these damn version upgrade nightmares.
-Joe