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Could Microsoft Buy Red Hat?

An anonymous reader writes "Various news sources including ZDnet are today reporting that Microsoft is considering buying out Red Hat, speculating that 'Microsoft could see Red Hat's acquisition as a nice way to undermine IBM, but might not consider that a sufficient reason to do it,' adding that Red Hat is however '...a company that wants to be Microsoft and, like Microsoft, makes its living packaging and selling other people's ideas.'" That description seems to miss the key point that Red Hat releases the software they package and sell as Free software, and that both companies pay coders to create and improve software in the first place.

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  1. I don't think so... by bananahead · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This is just not going to happen. The Executive team at Microsoft is so focused on taking on and taking out Linux that this would be laughed out of the room for the following reasons:

    1. It would be seen as an admission that the Windows Server technology is not what it is cracked up to be, and be read by the market as such. The immediate impact to the server business would be significant, and it is the only segment at Microsoft that is growing.

    2. It would be seen as an admission that Linux MIGHT have some redeeming qualities, something that the Executive team at Microsoft has been avoiding at all costs. Just like Hertz and Avis, #1 should NEVER acknowledge #2 in the market.

    3. It would dramatically confuse the market at a time when Microsoft is trying very hard (read $100M+ marketing) to win the server space and defend the desktop.

    You may not like Microsoft, but they don't tend to make really stupid mistakes, and this would be one. It just ain't gonna happen.

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    1. Re:I don't think so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or perhaps they could buy them out to shut them down?

    2. Re:I don't think so... by aralin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The reason, why this is not going to happen is not the fact its a complete lunacy, but the fact that Microsoft already has a monopoly position in the market and has been convicted from abusing that position. Buying any company trying to create a competition in the PC Operating System market would be laughed out by the FTC. :)

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    3. Re:I don't think so... by njvic · · Score: 5, Informative

      Interesting, although I read this blog entry earlier and it is good food for thought.

    4. Re:I don't think so... by l2718 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      This is just not going to happen.

      Couldn't agree more. The Linux market offers little opportunities for complete domination. Moreover, could you really imagine Microsoft distributing software governed by the GPL after all the "viral code" FUD?

    5. Re:I don't think so... by justanyone · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ...an admission that the Windows Server technology is not what it is cracked up to be

      1. This could be viewed as a 'strategic acquisition' so as to provide 'leading edge technologies' from wherever they were. Then, they could release brain-dead and damaged versions of RedHat Linux that failed under certain conditions; ...that Linux MIGHT have some redeeming qualities...

      2. Admitting that Linux has redeeming qualities is not a problem given that the marketplace has already proved that. Like NASA's mantra, "Buy It and Kill It" (tm) would be an easy operation to undertake.

      It would dramatically confuse the market

      3. Dramatically confusing the market would work in Microsoft's favor. further, they would offer "upgrade paths" that start in Linux and go towards MS Server 2k3 in short order.

      As a way to reduce competition, this might make total sense. Yes, it would be profoundly evil, and the antitrust authorities might look at it that way, too, but given the Bush administration's justice dept., any challenge to (potential or actual) big money donors seems unlikely.

    6. Re:I don't think so... by oGMo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You may not like Microsoft, but they don't tend to make really stupid mistakes, and this would be one. It just ain't gonna happen.

      Actually I don't like Microsoft, and they do tend to make really stupid mistakes from time to time. Ignoring the Internet for so long. Microsoft Bob. WebTV. Others I'm sure we can think of.

      But I don't think they'll make this one, for all the reasons you mentioned, and possibly more: One, they're in denial. I think they believe they're superior in all ways, and unbeatable. Two, pride. "If you can't win 'em, join 'em", and they're not willing to admit they can't win, because they always have. Three, history: they never pick up on the latest technology until everyone else has, and they've still got a grip on the market.

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    7. Re:I don't think so... by lousyd · · Score: 2, Funny
      1. It would be seen as an admission that the Windows Server technology is not what it is cracked up to be, and be read by the market as such. The immediate impact to the server business would be significant, and it is the only segment at Microsoft that is growing.

      Microsoft is dedicated to innovating on behalf of you, our customer. With the recent acquisition of Linux vendor Red Hat, Inc. we will continue to deliver on this promise. Customers who have grown beyond Linux now have an easier upgrade path for their expanding needs. "We feel that Microsoft can bring to the table a complete business solution with the new Windows Services for Unix 9.0," said Microsoft spokesman John Smith.

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    8. Re:I don't think so... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wonder if the Novell purchase of SuSe doesn't have something to do with this.
      Putting an old, familiar name on a distribution like Novell legitimizes the idea of using a Linux distro much more than reading, say, "polychromatic platypus" on the disks, especially when it all works well with Netware.
      Also, with Novell sponsoring Mono, and the threat of OpenOffice, seeing a C# port of MS Office to run on Mono would be an obvious way for Mr. Softy to keep the cash cow spouting the milk of currency.
      Recall, Redmond's only ideology is money; they leave the fanaticism to the FSF.

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    9. Re:I don't think so... by ZephyrXero · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Same thing I was thinking...

      Being that Red Hat is one of the largest financial contributors to Linux and open source, Microsoft buying them and cutting that funding would take a huge chunk out of who they see as their only real threat at market dominance, the open/free community.

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    10. Re:I don't think so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Windows Services for Unix package includes GPL'ed code, including gcc.

    11. Re:I don't think so... by team99parody · · Score: 5, Interesting
      One more reason - They're much more likely to buy Sun first.

      Why?

      • Sun has valuable patents that fit Microsoft's new IP strategy.
      • The can get their 2 billion back from Sun that way.
      • Sun and Microsoft have a good working relationship; could be rephrased as McNealey makes Balmer Smile
      • and most importantly, it seems like McNealey wants to sell
      Buying RedHat wouldn't hurt IBM at all considering that they're at least as much a SuSE/Novell partner as they are a redhat partner.
    12. Re:I don't think so... by geoffspear · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You may recall that the decision to drop the monopoly case and not punish Microsoft for that conviction was made by the same administration of which the FTC is a part.

      I wouldn't count on regulators stopping Microsoft from acquiring a competitor any time soon if that's what they want to do.

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    13. Re:I don't think so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They would also be able to use contracts to hold hostage Alan Cox and the majority of the other top kernel contributors.

    14. Re:I don't think so... by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And then the RH executives who lost their jobs as a result of the shutdown should just make a new company, with the same, or similar, products.

      How does Microsoft win?

    15. Re:I don't think so... by alexhs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > Or perhaps they could buy them out to shut them down?

      How would react businesses currently using Red Hat ? Kindly switching to Windows ? I don't think so. They wouldn't be happy and would rather switch to either another Linux distro (like Suse) or another Unix vendor (like Sun).

      Microsoft can't possibly buy them all, and even if they were able to, they can't buy Linux (because of it's GPL nature), so new Linux distro would just appear. Would be somewhat like a wack-a-mole game...

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    16. Re:I don't think so... by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It doesn't. It's a bullshit story, pure and simple.

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    17. Re:I don't think so... by rscrawford · · Score: 2, Funny

      How would react businesses currently using Red Hat?

      I dunno. Let's ask all of those corporations using PeopleSoft. Oh, wait...

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    18. Re:I don't think so... by MindStalker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This would all make sense if RedHat could be purchased at a reasonable price. But right now RedHat is worth around 2 billion (they reported worth in their annual report of just over 1 billion based on at that time stock value or 7.25, stock is now 12.55, of course MS just needs to purchase a majority share.. And I'm not going to dig through their annual report that deeply.

      Anyways most of what is RedHat is a free open-source program. So what would Microsoft be buying.
      1. A building.
      2. Its Employees (many of which would jump ship)
      3. Some private code
      4. The name (would would immediently be destroyed in many peoples eyes when Microsoft buys it)

      This would effectivly be the worlds largest waste of money. While it may have some small long term goal of shutting down their compitition. Microsoft share holders would NEVER go for a billion+ dollar aquasition that would have almost nothing tangable about it.

    19. Re:I don't think so... by nenolod · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They could be denied by contract to stay out of the Linux market for up to 24 months. That buys Microsoft time. Therefore they win for a while.

    20. Re:I don't think so... by anonicon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "The Linux market offers little opportunities for complete domination."

      In my uninformed opinion, if a company came out with a user-friendly Linux flavor that included all of the driver support of Windows, with none of virulent Linux zealot attitudes to go with it, it would totally dominate the consumer market.

      "Moreover, could you really imagine Microsoft distributing software governed by the GPL after all the "viral code" FUD?"

      Yes, and it would be easy since being two-faced isn't an issue for most companies. All they'd have to do is make the source available for download, and then sell their Linux products to that 90% of the consumer market that doesn't compile programs from source, and just wants to double-click a download to make it install.

      As for competition, sure, other programmers could run with the source, but could they make a professional-grade UI to stick on the front end, or are we talking the mid-90s UI of KDE 3.x? More importantly, how many developers would work with Microsoft source code, given the virulent anti-MS attitude of the Linux community?

      Frankly, if Microsoft entered Linux, I think the consumer market would embrace it big time to the tune of 15%-25% market share. Of course, who knows.

      Peace.

    21. Re:I don't think so... by LnxAddct · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Exactly... people dont realize how much Red Hat does for the community. Most distros just package up pre-existing software and bundle it in an easy to use way. Red Hat actually writes the stuff and pays a lot of devlopers a lot of money to do it. They've contributed far more code then any other entity in the kernel, they also nearly completely coded all of Gnome except for a few tidbits here and there (they even host Gnome.org) They've done wonders for Open Office on linux, including coding GCJ so that all the java components for OO.o could be compiled natively and distributed without a JVM.(They also played a big role in getting OO.o to use native widgets) Red Hat coders also do a hell of a lot of coding for Apache and make major advancements in all sorts of areas like File Systems and enterprise stability. They were a key force in getting SELinux into the kernel, as well as coding most of the drivers that are used in your hardware, and are in large part a reason why linux is considered business ready today. Now they are pushing major advancements in Linux's graphics capabilities and giving it a modern day desktop with modern day capabilites. The list could go on for quite a bit longer but I think I'll stop there. For all the knocking that people do of Red Hat, they sure as hell do alot for the community.
      Regards,
      Steve

    22. Re:I don't think so... by eyegor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since much of what RH sells is based on open source code, the open source community would smile and route around the problem. RH would be sucked up onto M$, but Linux would live on.

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    23. Re:I don't think so... by bheading · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Then, they could release brain-dead and damaged versions of RedHat Linux that failed under certain conditions; "

      Bit of a silly contribution really. How easy is that going to be given that they also have to release the source ? Any tampering with the code has to be released under the GPL.

      And if Red Hat was deemed rubbish, wouldn't people just switch to a competitor (eg SuSE) much as they might do today ?

      "3. Dramatically confusing the market would work in Microsoft's favor. further, they would offer "upgrade paths" that start in Linux and go towards MS Server 2k3 in short order."

      MS already do this, in the form of things like SFU.

    24. Re:I don't think so... by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      i'd guess that anybody working at redhat (eg. alan cox) would quit, they wouldn't have a hard time getting jobs at suse (especially since suse would take that opportunity to grow into redhats market)

    25. Re:I don't think so... by danheskett · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1. It would be seen as an admission that the Windows Server technology is not what it is cracked up to be, and be read by the market as such. The immediate impact to the server business would be significant, and it is the only segment at Microsoft that is growing.
      I dont see that happening. It would be a sign to MS's many customers that are a mixed shop that they dont have to choose all MS or no MS, which is a common perception. Windows Server is what it is. Other large vendors have multiple platforms: Ms is really the only vendor where it is likely you'd have the same core platform (Windows) across all product groups.

    26. Re:I don't think so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      RedHat has all of their developers sign agreements with very interesting & strict terms. I've signed 2 of them in the past 3 years (changed projects). It's an understatement to say that they will not be quitting and working for suse any time soon.

    27. Re:I don't think so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "[Microsoft should buy Sun because] they can get their 2 billion back from Sun that way."

      Now that's just retarded. Don't you think that the $2 billion would be included in the cost of Sun?

      Nobody is going to sell $2 billion cash for anything less than $2 billion.

    28. Re:I don't think so... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes but Microsoft do not themselves fund development of GPLed code

      Wix is pretty darned close (CPL rather than GPL, but it's still an OSS license).

      Microsft like to tell the PHBs that they hate OSS and all it stands for, but really I doubt they're that dogmatic - they'll do whatever it takes to make money. If they could make more money by ditching the Win32 codebase and embracing the GPL they'd do exactly that... (not going to happen of course, because they couldn't).

    29. Re:I don't think so... by JebusIsLord · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also, I'd like to add that the main 3 GNU toolchain packages, GCC, GLIBC and Binutils, are all (AFAIK) hosted and funded by Redhat.

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    30. Re:I don't think so... by alw53 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Microsoft hired some of Borland's developers at twice their salary and then put them on extended vacations, just to screw up development at Borland. I wonder if Alan Cox's contract prohibits him from
      retiring in exchange for 200K/year from Microsoft?

      ------

      Of course, like everything that Microsoft does, this was done by mistake, by a renegade executive, the dog ate the email server, it's not corporate policy.

    31. Re:I don't think so... by freedom_india · · Score: 2, Interesting
      user-space programs bolted on to the kernel causes these problems.

      Inherently, NT kernel is robust: Yes.

      But the problem is that code running in Kernel inherently trusts another piece of code running in kernel mode.

      That is why someone called Windows: "Inherently Insecure"

      IIS, parts of GUI, MS Office, Ole (called as ActiveX) all run parts of themselves in kernel mode for speed.

      When you bold on everything to Kernel, you open up your code to break-ins.

      Excel, Word, etc., all have raw C code and some assembly code running in parts of them to give them the "wickedly fast" sensation.

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    32. Re:I don't think so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You forgot 5. It's service contracts.

      By aquiring Red Hat, Microsoft aquires the service agreements. Which puts them directly in touch with the datacenter managers of Red Hat's customers, and gives them the access to make their pitch of "hey, you should move to Windows when we shut down Red Hat's product line next year."

      Love 'em or hate 'em, you have to deal with folks who provide your service contract. The idea here for Microsoft is that it puts all Red Hat's enterprise customers in the market for a new OS, and gives Microsoft a foot in the door with all of them to make a sales pitch.

      Frankly, I don't think they'll get many converts--a lot of code written to run on RHEL will port MUCH more easily to SuSE than to Windows XP. But it's at least a plausible business angle. If nothing else, if they shut down Red Hat's products, they'll be forcing a large number of potential customers to re-evaluate their OS of choice.

    33. Re:I don't think so... by thinkliberty · · Score: 5, Funny

      Would Redhat have to change it's name to Asshat if Microsoft bought them?

    34. Re:I don't think so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Microsoft does in fact have such a clause in their contract.

      1: When you are hired, they claim ownership of any IP that you created unless you specifically list it as excluded on a form they give you.

      2: You must get permission in writing from Microsoft to do any work outside Microsoft, or do any moonlighting

      3: If a dispute arises, you agree to grant them a non-exclusive, non-revokable, worldwide, royalty-free license to distribute, modify, and re-use the disputed IP.

    35. Re:I don't think so... by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yes but what they are counting on is you not taking it to court. you contracts are meaningless untill tested infront of a judge. if you write a piece of software completely non related to what your working on at work, totally in your own time, there's no way they could reasonably claim ownership of it.

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    36. Re:I don't think so... by Reziac · · Score: 2, Funny

      Great, I read your post, and now my monitor has a drippy nose! :)

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    37. Re:I don't think so... by ePhil_One · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The last company I worked at (very briefly) had a clause in the contract that stated everything you developed whether on your own time at home on the weekend or at work was owned by the company.

      But I expect that your last company did not pay you to write code for a GPL project such as the Linux Kernel? The issue here is that MS cannot change the terms of a contract unless the other party agrees to it and some form of consideration is paid, such as a contract extention, raise, or bonus. In such a case, they can simply refuse to sign and MS must accept or buy out the contract. If there is no contract and they are "at will" employees, they can still refuse to sign such agreements, forcing MS to fire them (which opens them to lawsuits over wrongful terminations, and CA is likely to have judges that side with Cox and award lost salary.)

      Point was, while contracts like yours are common, its likely Red Hat did NOT have them.

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    38. Re:I don't think so... by xQx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think America's (strange) anti-monopoly laws would be preventing Microsoft from purchasing redhat.

      Remember the hot water they were in with the DOJ late last decade because they owned too much of the software market and they were dragging out lines like 'apple / linux are a serious threat and have some of the market therefore we are not a monopoly therefore we are not guilty' ... Wouldn't it be a universally stupid move to buy out your only remaining serious competition (except for that apple stuff with arts students seem to love (jk)) just when all the antitrust stuff is behind you?

      No, I think this is probably a FUD campaign to say "Hey, RedHat is just like us, don't move to them because you hate us, because you WILL hate them too".

    39. Re:I don't think so... by PPH · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They would also get access to any partnerships and support contracts that RedHat is currently responsible for.

      Microsoft could conceivably send their 'second string' of software developers in to service these accounts in hope of throwing a wrench into the works of commercial Linux support.

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    40. Re:I don't think so... by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Scary, in other words MS buying Red Hat could temporarily (maybe 6 months) halt or disrupt linux development.

      I bet if the price were right they'd do it.

    41. Re:I don't think so... by Eggplant62 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I agree.

      There really isn't a story here. Anything but the single fact that these two guys met about something, and Gates got asked for comment. He didn't say anything to clarify, confirm or deny.

      All we know is that Ballmer and Szulik sat down and chewed the fat. We don't know what they spoke about, and we don't know what the topic was. Hell for all we know, they discussed underwear preferences (tighty-whities vs boxers).

    42. Re:I don't think so... by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      IIS, parts of GUI, MS Office, Ole (called as ActiveX) all run parts of themselves in kernel mode for speed.

      The only part of IIS that runs in kernel space is the HTTP listener, everything else is user space.

      The rest of your list is typical /. bullshit - none of those applications run anything in kernel space.

    43. Re:I don't think so... by Hosiah · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I just love a post that calls me "virulent Linux zealot" and ends with the word "peace".

      Folks, get a clue. Market dominance, market dominance, and more market dominance is not an end to itself. Believe it or not, some people just want to USE THEIR OWN COMPUTER THAT THEY BOUGHT WITH THEIR OWN MONEY OR PUT TOGETHER WITH THEIR OWN HANDS THE WAY THEY SEE FIT! Many of us would almost prefer that we be a market of one. I don't care about anybody else's computer, and I don't want anybody else caring about mine. That's why I use Linux. That's also why, as soon as a big mega-corporation buys my distro, I'll switch to something else. If I have to compile my own operating system and keep it hidden from the rest of the world, _I_ _will_ _have_ _my_ _own_.

      I don't get it. It's not "being a zealot" to modify your own car to work like you want, or build your own furniture, or grow your own crop, or cook your own food. But go near a computer, and the entire society seems to be screaming, "NOOOOO! We have to control EVERY SINGLE BYTE!" I think that's kind of silly. I think it is the actions of people who do not understand computers at all, or they would not be so terrified of what I might do if I have complete control of one.

      That's being a zealot. Sure, I'll go get the dot burned on my forehead first thing tomorrow.

    44. Re:I don't think so... by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Perhaps the best troll I've seen, this.

      but could they make a professional-grade UI to stick on the front end, or are we talking the mid-90s UI of KDE 3.x?

      Because of course the Windows UI has moved ahead in leaps and bounds since the mid-90s. You look at a Win95 interface, and then at WinXP - well, you wouldn't think it was the same system at all!

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  2. Well by Neil+Blender · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I seriously doubt the courts would approve such a purchase.

  3. Never has a Simpson's quote been more perfect by SlayerofGods · · Score: 2, Funny

    Buy him out boys!

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    1. Re:Never has a Simpson's quote been more perfect by norminator · · Score: 2, Funny

      You didn't think I got rich by writing checks, did you?

  4. Huh? Links to the stories - by thewldisntenuff · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First off - the link goes to someone's security blog - Here are the links to the Zdnet/News.com stories -

    http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/index.php?p=275 ">ZDnet story

    http://news.com.com/A+Microsoft-Red+Hat+warming+tr end/2100-7344_3-5701700.html?tag=nefd.top">News.co m story

    The ZDNet blog states the biggest problem posed to RedHat would be IBM settling with SCO and developing an OS for the new Cell processor. Why would IBM settle now? After http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/05/224209 &tid=136&tid=88&tid=123">they just delivered their evidence to SCO, what would the point be in settling. The blog continues to state that most other distros (Linspire, Debian, SuSE) are largely irrelevant now, and goes on about how IBM would sell Linux/Cell-based workstations and servers. How close are we to cell processors? I thought we were still some distance from seeing as widespread use as the blog seems to state.........

    1. Re:Huh? Links to the stories - by kegmaster · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe I'm in the wrong corner of the world on this one, but I think Red Hat is the distribution becoming less and less relevant. With the EOL of their distribution for the masses in favor of the not-quite-RedHat Fedora, I see more and more people installing SuSE or something else entirely. I've seen two local companies change 50+ server installs [each] from RedHat to SuSE in the last year. Of course, I could just be living in a lizard loving corner of the US.

  5. Pie-in-the-skying on a slow newsday by winkydink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only this and nothing more.

    While the articles make a case that it might be beneficial for RedHat, what's in it for Microsoft? Plus, what are the chances of it clearing anti-trust hurdles?

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  6. Selling ideas? by aweiland · · Score: 5, Informative

    Doesn't red hat sell support?

  7. egads by vashti · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can't help but be quite distressed that I see a blinky ad for Microsoft right below this story.

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  8. there's no benefit in it for Microsoft.... by Cnik70 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They cannot control Linux by buying one distro, and at the same time a buyout would make it look as if Microsoft sees Linux as a threat, or that Microsoft is finally accepting Linux as valid.

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  9. Could Microsoft Buy Red Hat? by gatkinso · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, 50 times over.

    Would Microsoft Buy Red Hat? Doubtful.

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  10. Never has a Simpson's quote been more perfect by SlayerofGods · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gates: Your Internet ad was brought to my attention, but I can't figure out what, if anything, Red Hat does, so rather than risk competing with you, I've decided simply to buy you out
    Homer: I reluctantly accept your proposal!
    Gates: Well everyone always does. Buy 'em out, boys!

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  11. Red Herring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Not red hat, red herring.

  12. Obligatory Star Wars quote... by the_skywise · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Until Longhorn is fully operational we are vulnerable. Linux is too well equipped. It's more dangerous than you realize."

    "Dangerous to your OS division, not to my Office line."

    "Linux will continue to gain support along with OpenOffice as long as Red Hat continues to..."

    "Red Hat will no longer be of any conern to us. I've just received word that the Emperor has purchased Red Hat and has ordered a completely new version of Linux that will be released sometime in the near future... IE not at all. The last remants of Unix have been swept away."

    1. Re:Obligatory Star Wars quote... by 0xABADC0DA · · Score: 5, Funny

      almost...

      "Until Longhorn is fully operational we are vulnerable. Linux is too well equipped. It's more dangerous than you realize."

      "Dangerous to your OS division, not to my Office line."

      "Linux will continue to gain support along with OpenOffice as long as Red Hat continues to..."

      "Red Hat will no longer be of any conern to us. I've just received word that Emperor Gates has disbanded the Red Hat. The last remants of Unix have been swept away."

      "But without Red Hat, how will the local servers be kept on-line?"

      "Fear. Fear of lawsuits will keep the local system on-line. This monopoly is now the ultimate power in the internet."

      "Do not be so proud of this technological terror you have constructed; it is insignificant next to the power of the Source"

      "Don't try to frighten us with your Sourcers ways, Lord Bahlmer..."

    2. Re:Obligatory Star Wars quote... by ch-chuck · · Score: 2, Funny

      Here's the movie poster, if anybody missed it the first itme.

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  13. Yeah, right. by leomekenkamp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was reading this with a 'this just might be' attitude, until I came across "This combined with the the fact that the single biggest threat Red Hat faces right now is that of the possiblity of IBM could settling with SCO and then release its own Linux, (...)

    IBM settling with SCO while they seem to be holding them at their balls? And then releasing their own linux distro? Yeah, right.

    This 'article' is nothing, ziltch, nada, nop. No new facts, no reasoning, no nothing.

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  14. Oh, please.... by dgrgich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is no way that this is remotely even feasible. Why would Microsoft want to buy Red Hat? Those with their tinfoil hats on would say so that could shut down Red Hat and thus, rid the world of a primary Linux-powered rival. However, think about it - someone would simply take their place - Novell, some corporate entity supporting a Debian or Gentoo distro - and they'd be right back where they started.

    Others might think that Microsoft is ready to get into the Linux biz. For those, I have a large iron structure in Paris that I'm trying to get rid of; perhaps you'd be interested in buying?

    1. Re:Oh, please.... by griffeymac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're absolutely correct.

      "Golly, boss, M$ just bought out RedHat. I guess we'll be installing Windows Server 2003 on our Linux server now. Darn."

      Would anyone out there want to learn Microsoft administration rather than just pick up another distribution of Linux? I know I wouldn't.

      If anything, why wouldn't Microsoft just create their own Linux distribution and run it head-to-head against RedHat and try to put them out of business using their Explorer vs. Netscape business model...

    2. Re:Oh, please.... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why would Microsoft want to buy Red Hat? Those with their tinfoil hats on would say so that could shut down Red Hat and thus, rid the world of a primary Linux-powered rival. However, think about it - someone would simply take their place - Novell, some corporate entity supporting a Debian or Gentoo distro - and they'd be right back where they started.

      After a while, yes. Let's play Devil's Advocate, though - I'm Microsoft and I can't get Longhorn out the door and Linux is catching up too fast.

      I need to slow down Linux.

      OK, who pays for a large chunk of Linux development? (it's easier to whack one big mole than several little ones) RedHat. RedHat contributes a heck of a lot of code to the open source community. IBM and Novell et.al. couldn't immediately take up all the slack if RedHat vanished tomorrow.

      Steps:
      1. Buy out RedHat. Announce no immediate changes.
      1.a. Some percentage of RedHat quits same day on principle and starts a new company
      1.a.I. It takes at least two years to get that company off the ground, with all the subscription management software, infrastructure, sales force, channel partnerships, certifications, etc.
      1.a.II. It takes 5 years to be back to the strength RedHat was at.
      1.a.III. These guys are out of the way.
      2. Announce all kinds of linux/microsoft synergies and interminglings
      3. Start a new .NET for linux project, and put most of the RHEL guys on it. Mono won't work for [fill in the reason].
      3.a. some of the team quits.
      3.a.I. Novell absorbs some of them
      3.a.II. IBM aborbs some more
      3.a.III Others get private sector jobs but have less time for open-source development. These guys are out of the way.
      3.b. Some of the team stays due to not wanting to move, etc. These guys are out of the way
      4. Repeat with other Microsoft technologies
      5. Ship Longhorn
      6. Cancel said projects. Disparage Linux as the reason. Move team to China.
      6.a. These guys are out of the way.

      There, another 5 years of market dominance achieved for a stock-leveraged RedHat takeover. The math is good. This is the right thing to do for Microsoft stockholders.

      Don't look at it as a long-term strategy, look at it as literally buying time. The Open-Source community may be able to out-code and out-architect Microsoft, but when it comes to dollars and cents Microsoft is king.

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  15. Big deal by Danathar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they did...what exactly would they be getting? a Duplicate company called...say "Blue hat" could pop up in a couple of weeks with a duplicate copy of everything Redhat sells (besides the copyrighted red fedora) and start selling copies just like before.

    Redhat's profits are primarily from service contracts and their automated patch udpates.

    Remeber...everything is GPL'd...so buying out Redhat would at most just give MS some time (against Redhat ONLY)....there ARE other LINUX distros out there....like Mandrake...SuSE.....MEPIS...debian......

  16. They'd only end up with the name by Sebby · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I thing they'd really just end up with the RedHat name, and nothing else.

    I don't think the community at large would really accept this buyout, and both companies' philosophies are quite different (at least the way I perceive it).

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  17. What? No one else posted this yet? by CSG_SurferDude · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't believe no one else posted this yet...

    MS Linux

  18. How Dumb by GarfBond · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not only would this not be likely to be approved due to antitrust rules and such, what would be the point of such a purchase? Paying a large chunk of change for a competitor to do...what exactly? Microsoft isn't going to suddenly say "WinServer 2003 blows, here's RHEL 4" to all its customers, undermining the last 5 years of FUD. A purchase like this would contribute nothing to the MSFT bottom line. Not to mention that this completely ignores the efforts of Novell and SuSE. If RH went out, someone else would line up to take its place in a heartbeat.

  19. A disturbance in the Force by amichalo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With Star Wars III coming, I couldn't help but offer the idea that an MS buyout of Red Hat would create a huge "disturbance in the Force". MS would end up owning the leader in Linux software packages, but I think that a MS branded Linux would not be particularly well accepted by current Red Hat customers or current Windows customers.

    MS would benefit if they wanted to move the next-version-of-Windows-after-Longhorn to a Linux codebase, but they don't need to buy Red Hat to do it.

    Instead, MS would simply create a vacume in the Linux world which would be quickly filled by another distro vendor.

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  20. Re:GPL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If Microsoft bought Red Hat, wouldn't this mean that Microsoft would be under the GPL when it comes to releasing software?

    I'm glad you asked that, because I collect stupid questions and I hadn't seen that one before.

  21. Re:GPL? by nelsonal · · Score: 2, Informative

    No more than they currently are. When companies buy each other, they typically maintain corporate structures (or create new ones). It's actually fairly rare for a big company to be anything other than a holding company if they have participated in much acquisition activity. For example, MS Great Plains is probably still a separate corporation (entirely owned by MS).

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  22. Re:GPL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Microsoft's relation to the GPL would not change at all if it acquired Red Hat. MS would need to release the source code for their own derivative works based on GPL code, but would not be obliged to release source for their own non-derivative work. This would be the case whether or not MS bought Red Hat.

  23. No Publicity is Bad Publicity by shrapnull · · Score: 4, Interesting
    You really have to wonder who comes up with this information. That's not even a believable story yet it gets replicated and gives Microsoft another 5 minutes of exposure all over the blog media.

    Wasn't it just last week we were talking about how Microsoft was going to begin hyping their products using a paid blogger 'grassroots' campaign?

    You don't suppose a bullshit story like this that ends up on someone's blog could simply be testing the waters to see how effective the online rumor mill is, do you?

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    1. Re:No Publicity is Bad Publicity by megarich · · Score: 2, Funny
      You really have to wonder who comes up with this information. That's not even a believable story...

      I think I saw the same news source write an article about how the wolf man and dracula has teamed up to buy out fedora at the stroke of midnight and use fedora's power to summon up the spirits that'll help bring about the end of the world.

  24. so what if they did? by ajrs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everone would quit and form a rivial company. Microsoft would have just accquired an empty shell of a company with lots of support obligations and no way to meet them.

    The new company,"Brown Bowler", would take a few years to rebuild their distribution chanel. Them maybe go public and let Microsoft make them rich again.

    The only thing owned by Red Hat is the company name, support contracts, distribution channel, some office space and hardware, and the logo. All of the real value would just walk out the door.

  25. Sounds good to me... by Abalamahalamatandra · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Everybody would drop Fedora like a hot rock and move to a distribution that isn't just a free development vehicle for Red Hat to make tons of bucks.

    Gentoo, Debian, Slackware, Ubuntu... They'd all be the biggest beneficiaries of such a move, and Microsoft would be left with a worthless property.

    I dropped Red Hat after Red Hat 9, because it started to become clear to me that my customer space wouldn't be able to afford Enterprise and that Fedora was (by design) too fast-changing to support. I now run all my servers and desktops on Gentoo and it's working great for me. The main advantage I see is that I can control and minimize the dependency hell that Red Hat was and create tighter servers with less subsystems loaded on them to update in the first place.

    Overall, though, this is just pie in the sky - it'll never happen. It definitely must be a slow news day in the IT world if this is even a valid topic to discuss.

    1. Re:Sounds good to me... by deander2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      fedora is too fast-moving, so you switch to gentoo? i want what YOU'RE smoking! :-P

      i love gentoo btw, but it is not what one would call a stable platform. (and by stable i mean "unchanging" - it's great in terms of system dependability)

  26. Better sense to buy Sun by rihock · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Instead of Red Hat, MSFT would be better off buying Sun- they both sell propriatary systems, both dislike linux (not Sun so much, but they do) and it would be an extension of many of the deals they have struck recently. I don't see where RH makes sense, but I can see a better story with Sun given the slump in their stock, etc....

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  27. Re:What? No one else posted this yet? by lbmouse · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is probably more realistic...

    MS Linux

  28. I already bought Red Hat twice by johno.ie · · Score: 4, Funny

    versions 3.1 and 5.0 iirc. and i sold copies of it to a couple of local companies and got repeat business to support the servers they used it on. its turned out to be a very good deal for me. i think microsoft should buy debian instead though. thats what i use on all my servers these days.

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  29. FTC by r_benchley · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As cowardly as they are, I really doubt that the FTC would allow this to happen. Aside from Apple (and OS X won't run on x86 hardware), Linux is the only real competition to Windows. I cannot fathom any circumstances under which Microsoft would be allowed to buy out the competition like that. Granted, there are other Linux distros out there, but Red Hat is the only real player when it comes to Linux in corporate America.

  30. Re:GPL? by bhsx · · Score: 2, Funny

    If Microsoft bought Red Hat, wouldn't this mean that Microsoft would be under the GPL when it comes to releasing software?
    I'm glad you asked that, because I collect stupid questions and I hadn't seen that one before.

    Zing!
    Now that was funny!

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  31. On MSFT buying SUNW by team99parody · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Another reason to buy Sun - Microsoft likes preaching about security, and Sun actually has a server line that can deliver there -- with even higher government certifications than any of today's linuxes.

    1. Re:On MSFT buying SUNW by Tassach · · Score: 5, Insightful
      A MSFT-SUNW merger would be shot down by the FTC, and would be a bad move for MSFT, for the exact same reasons given against a MSFT-RHAT merger.

      MSFT has spent billions on marketing the idea that Windows is better in the server room than Unix and Linux. For them to turn around and buy a tier-1 Unix vendor would completely undermine that position. Likewise, Solaris is one of the few commercial OSes that can beat windows in the server room on technical merit, name recognition, and PHB appeal; for that reason it would be VERY unlikely that any merger would be approved.

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  32. Need to add this: by uberjoe · · Score: 3, Funny

    Gates: What you think I got rich by handing out checks?

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  33. Wonder what the non-compete would look like by team99parody · · Score: 2, Funny

    With the GPL, it seems all the RHAT people could simply take Fedora, run, create RedWhiteAndBlueHat and make Microsoft buy them again and again and again.

  34. Answers by hey! · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Could Microsoft buy Red Hat?

    Yes.

    Will they?

    No.

    This is just the product of fevered imaginations, fantasizing what they would do with Bill Gates money. Gates has so much money precisely because he doesn't do stupid things like this. Microsoft is not going to buy a service business, which is pretty much valued at annual revenues. They're going to buy companies with IP, which are valued several times higher.

    They're certainly not going to buy a service business where many of the customers suspect that they are mortal enemy of the platform being serviced. Far from undermining IBM, this would be like the day Coke announced they were ditching the old formula. Pepsi gave it's employees a holiday to celebrate. They probably could have called it Our-Fiercest-Competitor-Makes-a-Business-Decision- So-Incredibly-Boneheaded-we-all-may-as-well-go-hom e-and-watch-their-embarassment-unfold-on-TV day.

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  35. Wow. by gdek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For all of the insane articles that percolate to the surface on /., this article is impressively insane.

    So what "various news sources" are cited here?

    "News source #1" is Paul Murphy of ZDNet, who basically says "gee, I suppose it's *possible* that M$ could buy RH, but, um, not really."

    "News source #2: is "whitedust," the well-known... er, well-respected... er, who are they again? Anyway, the quote from "whitedust"...

    "On the surface of it, the concept of Microsoft buying out Red Hat does indeed seem rather humorous. However as commented in the ZDnet article; Red Hat is a company that shares much the same business model as Microsoft in that essentially it makes it's (sic) living packaging and selling other people's ideas. That alone is enough to give some credabilty (sic) to the notion of some kind of thoretical ethical union one that would perhaps be less likley (sic) with any other open source developer."

    So, to recap:

    Coke-snorting "whitedust" website claims that Red Hat and Microsoft are a perfect pair, editorializes that purchase is imminent!

    Really, truly, impressively insane.

  36. People are reading too much into a dinner by Acer500 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's true that dinner between two important personalities can result in developments, but...

    See http://news.com.com/A+Microsoft-Red+Hat+warming+tr end/2100-7344_3-5701700.html
    "Microsoft's Steve Ballmer and Red Hat's Matthew Szulik met for more than an hour at a McCormick & Schmick's restaurant in New York in late March"

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  37. Ever Hear Of Xenix? by Black-Man · · Score: 3, Informative

    Microsoft's UNIX in the 1980's? Based on AT&T's license and they basically killed off the product a few years down the road.

    1. Re:Ever Hear Of Xenix? by nitehorse · · Score: 4, Informative
  38. The Visuals by The+Angry+Mick · · Score: 2, Funny
    IBM settling with SCO while they seem to be holding them at their balls?

    Is it "at their balls" or "by their balls"?

    Either way, it's an amusing visual . . . ;-)

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    1. Re:The Visuals by The+Angry+Mick · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hee hee. I know what you mean.

      Still though, the image of an IBM lawyer holding a SCO lawyer's face to his balls nearly made me snort my soda!

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  39. rebuttal. by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1. It would be seen as an admission that the Windows Server technology is not what it is cracked up to be, and be read by the market as such. The immediate impact to the server business would be significant, and it is the only segment at Microsoft that is growing.

    Being that Linux is Open Source. Buying redhat, just to gain Linux technologies seems like an expensive and needless task, and they still have to keep what they added as GNU. Also being that Linux and Windows are more even on the server market it is seen as a way to control a major competitor. Not that their products suck. It is like IBM buying Sun. And having people go AIX must of sucked because IBM bought Sun to gain the technologies in Solaris.

    2. It would be seen as an admission that Linux MIGHT have some redeeming qualities, something that the Executive team at Microsoft has been avoiding at all costs. Just like Hertz and Avis, #1 should NEVER acknowledge #2 in the market.

    Well Microsoft has already admitted that Linux is a threat. They have done so for a while. They still underplay it but they have admitted it. Anyone except for the mentally retarded who know about Linux knows that there are some redeeming qualites over Microsoft, they also know that Novell Netware has some redeeming qualites over Microsoft, and Solaris...,...,... . There are a fiew application I have seen that don't have a redeeming quality over a competing product (being they are producted at around the same time)

    3. It would dramatically confuse the market at a time when Microsoft is trying very hard (read $100M+ marketing) to win the server space and defend the desktop.

    As the market will see it they are buying a competitor. This is what Microsoft does and what they have always did. If they cant squash them then buy them. Also being that IBM has been doing a big Linux Push away from windows, Microsoft probably still want a piece of that action.

    Is Microsofts Mac unit hurting them, No, Is their Unix unit hurting them no. They know that they will never get 100% market share. But they might as well get a piece of the action of the other 10%.

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    1. Re:rebuttal. by uglyduckling · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Being that Linux is Open Source

      And that's the point, isn't it - MS could have its own linux distro, complete with a fancy graphical installer and partition wizard, out of the door in under 12 months if it wanted to. It wouldn't need to buy Redhat to do that.

  40. Wont matter in the long run by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All they would really be able to buy is the 'VAR' components.

    The core is all open, so all that would happen is someone else would step up to the plate.

    It might ruffle some feathers and slow the corporate Linux world down for a few months, but in the end no real damage.

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  41. Michael Dell? Insider trading? by xjohnx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is it just a coincidence that Michael Dell just invested $100 million of his own money in Red Hat, or could it be another case of insider trading?

  42. Not a Bush FTC by leftie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Are you kidding? A Bush FTC won't do diddly-squat regarding enforcement of anti-trust laws.

    My suggestion is you guys re-examine your options regarding increasing your support of Debian.

  43. Validity is Questionable, But the Premise Is Not by mpapet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a controversial response to the part-line 'ain't gonna happen" comments.

    1. Both Microsoft and Red Hat are under a great deal of pressure to deliver profits.

    2. Currently, innovation is not coming at the pace that it did in the 90's. In any publicly traded industry, this leads to consolidation. (AdobeMedia anyone?)

    3. Price of both companies shares has stagnated. This generally fuels consolidation because shareholders demand high profits.

    4. Red Hat is not as cash-rich as MS, but they are the -clear- leader in enterprise linux.

    The acquisition would be good for Microsoft.
    -They buy the undisputed leader in the segment
    -Make Red Hat the red-headed step-child in terms of price and service to Winblows server. This crushes the Sun and Novell Linux strategy and puts them in-play versus IBM.
    -Fire most of Red Hat's engineers to keep the business profitable at rock-bottom prices, maintain the distro and stifle competitive innovation.

    Now, the humans running MS would likely be mortally opposed to it as many have pointed out. And from a common-sense perspective it should qualify as anti-competitive, but the legal world doesn't run on common sense.

    From a Microsoft business perspective, it is a -great- idea.

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  44. zerg by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If Microsoft buys Red Hat, then will Fedora Core get better or worse?

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  45. Invest in, not buy by geekwithsoul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It would make far more sense for Microsoft to invest in Red Hat than buy it outright. Look at their investment in Apple if you'd like a precedent. The idea has several advantages:

    • Good hedge fund type investment. When MS succeeds, they get money. When Red Hat succeeds, they get money.
    • Opens the door for an expanded market. Just like MS provided versions of IE and MS Office for the Mac, they could provide server products to run on Red Hat servers that would allow for better interoperability
    • Co-opt the competition. Always a good strategy.
    • Street cred. "Look we support Linux in our own special way."
    • Avoid all the antitrust issues that an outright buy of Red hat would entail

    I'm not saying this is likely, but it would make a lot more sense and with as much cash as MS has, they can certainly afford either option. However, investing in an established rival is behavior Microsoft has exhibited before, and they do seem very much to not learn any new tricks.

  46. They need a way to get more eyballs? by nietsch · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes it sure looks that there is no substance at all to the blogentry apart from some whatif's.

    It appears they used the olde MS vs linux formula:
    combine MS and linux in one headline and you are guaranteed to have slashdot come over and look at your ads.

    Let's see what else I can come up with:
    MS hates Linux: for hash words on some conference
    MS denies Linux: same event, please tear me down version(but still give the attention)
    MS fights Linux: MS will make better product (in the future) then linux (as it is now).
    MS defeats Linux: newsgrab pointless statistics.
    MS buys Linux: Pie in the sky line this one.
    MS Improves linux: MS trying to drive a wedge in Linux by releasing a binary-only kernel module.
    MS embraces Linux: will make extensions later.
    MS Loves Linux: but only for that strict niche.
    MS acknowledges Linux: so what but will make MS seem realistic.
    MS sells Linux: to the highers bidder after gutting it from customers?
    MS verb Linux: the central theme that gets you good catchy headlines.

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  47. Reasons not to use LSD hours before your deadline by jusdisgi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And in other news, Nike might purchase Birkenstock. Don't get me wrong, I've got no reason to think that'll happen, but hey, anything's possible, right? That's a good enough excuse for a story!

    Seriously...where's the evidence here? This guy just throws out this outlandishly wild conjecture, and has absolutely dick to back it up. What an asshole.

    Of course, that's not the only abject idiocy here...anyone who thinks IBM might settle with SCO has totally lost his marbles. And IBM won't ever release its own version of Linux under any circumstances....if AIX didn't prove to them that nobody wanted an IBM operating system, OS2 did. Those guys are shouting from the mountaintops about open systems and standards, and are making big money selling the services to go with them. They don't want to own the distro.

    But the big thing from my perspective is that this dickhead just totally made this story up based on some wild acid hallucination he had...there isn't a story here, but that's not stopping ZD.

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  48. Re:GPL? by snakecoder · · Score: 2, Funny


    How is it that post that was funny has not been moded up, but the post that points it out is modded as funny.

    Now that's funny.

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  49. Re:What's in it for microsoft - SCO IP by surprise_audit · · Score: 2, Funny
    seems there's mounting evidence that SCO didn't own all that stuff they claimed to own

    Wouldn't it be nice if Microsoft sued SCO over that?? :)

  50. Paul Murphy blows smoke once again by nadamsieee · · Score: 4, Informative

    GrokLaw readers will recognize Paul Murphy as the SYS-CON writer who likes to defend SCO. The statement from the ZDNet blog that should raise a red flag is this:

    The second most important threat facing them is that an IBM Linux on Cell offering gives the Linux and general open source communities an opportunity to rebel against Red Hat's pretense of selling support with free licenses rather than licenses with free support.

    Anyone who isn't an idiot knows that F/OSS business are supposed to sell support with their Free licenses, not the other way around. The only rebellion I see against traditional software vendors like Microsoft, not RedHat. This guy is just spreading FUD.

  51. FAQ by catdevnull · · Score: 5, Funny

    Deep from an obscure unlisted URL somewhere in the slashdot FAQ:

    Q: Many of my article submissions on slashdot seem to go unnoticed. How can I generate more interest and responses--even if they're a bunch of flaming retorts?

    A: While the interests and levels of expertise on slashdot cover their entire respective spectrums, one sure-fire way to get guaranteed attention on slashdot is to post anything with the words "Microsoft" and "Linux" in the same subject line. You're likely to receive more attention if the submission implies any of the following:
    1. Microsoft does anything superior to Linux
    2. Microsoft wants to buy/cheat/steal anything from the Linux community.
    3. Microsoft makes any business move to check Open Source/FSF initiatives.

    Submissions that point out the obvious will be appended only with posts of the "Me too" nature. Be sure to punch it up with a new spin or a repeat of a post that is at least 30 days old.

    It should also be noted that any submissions or posts that are PRO-Microsoft will be rejected or modded down respectively. Be sure to bash MS thoughtfully and thoroughly with disputable data, imaginative spelling, and ambiguous grammar.

    SEE ALSO: Flaming, Linux Bigotry, Open Source Zealotry, and Mac Fanboy posts.

    [big, cheesy "I-just-bonked-your-daughter" grin] :-)

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  52. MS Linux...It is possible by PenguinBoyDave · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they don't re-brand it as their own, they could buy them out and kill the product. Why not? It happens in the corporate world every single day. Buying Red Hat would cost Microsoft very little, and would actually give them exactly what they need...the insight into the Linux community and development process that they need.

    I don't like this idea, but I can't discount it.

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  53. Like Microsoft & Netscape. by crovira · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Micosoft went into someone else yard (in this case the browser market,) and ended up using monopolistic, illegal anti-competitive marketing tactics until they dfecimated the opposition.

    They are planning to do the same thing with Linux. (They already tried to scare Linux users with SCO and it didn't work out too well.) They are going to 'improve' Linux until its dead as a door nail.

    If it not RedHat, it'll be some other player. Starting with RedHat is easier because they have the biggest client base.

    Then they'll go after the next biggest one.

    I'm not too worried about the FTC and neither's Microsoft. There are enough accounting scandals out there to keep them busy.

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  54. Re:i cant take it by hendersj · · Score: 2, Interesting

    if you really want to help out the world, why they hell do YOU have to benefit in some ridiculously selfish way??

    Because unfortunately, in this world, food, shelter, and clothing isn't free, and neither are the creature comforts we've become accustomed to.

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  55. Re:A $billion+? So what? They have no choice. by kerrle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And is losing a freakin' boatload in the process. It's only money, but all it takes is for Windows or Office to underperform a couple of quarters and all of their other, non-profitable ventures are facing serious longevity questions.

  56. Oh brother by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Red Hat is a company that wants to be Microsoft and, like Microsoft, makes its living packaging and selling other people's ideas."

    Boy, that's a really stupid comment - even by Slashdot standards.

    Has our anonymous submitter ever bothered to look and see just how many of those "other people" that are doing the development work for Linux have email addresses that end in "redhat.com"?

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  57. I'm supposed to take this seriously why? by Wdomburg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The biggest threat Red Hat faces right now is that IBM could settle with SCO and then release its own Linux along with workstations and servers based on the Cell processor.

    IBM doesn't need to settle with SCO to release it's own version of Linux. All it needs to do is... release it's own version of Linux. Hell, they could download RHEL, rebuild, rebadge, and sell that.

    Given that Cell outperforms x86 by an order of magnitude and doesn't have the security weaknesses built into the x86, this would leave them fighting to hold an ever decreasing share of a shrinking market.

    What insightful commentary. Anyone who seriously believes the Cell processor outperforms conventional architectures by "an order of magnitude" for anything but specialized tasks needs to lay off the crack pipe. That big impressing 256 GFlop figure that's been bandied around is the theoretical "if you fill every pipeline" number, is almost entirely comprised of FP operations (guess what - most business servers aren't busy rendering pretty pictures), and is for a single precision pipeline which rounds in a non-standard way.

    Know what the performance hit is for IEEE854 double precision FP? A full order of magnitude. There goes all that theoretical performance, and you lose the benefit of the industry dominant instruction set, and gain a whole set of programming peculiarities of the new architecture, such as the lack of a branch prediction unit even in the PPC core.

  58. Re:not sure if that's the same by jonbryce · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No. The IPO cash would effectively go to the shareholders. Microsoft would have to pay extra to buy the company because of the surplus cash held in the bank.

    They would be happy to pay this extra money because they know they can get it back immediately by taking it out of Red Hat's bank account once the takeover is completed. Of course, they might decide to leave it there, but that is their choice.

  59. Could Afford, If IBM Were Asleep by cmholm · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Someone at ZDNet or the blogs is trolling. A buyout would only work if it were a private transaction. Redhat is a publically traded company. The moment MSFT made a play for a major stake in RDHT, the market would drive the share prices through the roof. In the meantime, Balmer would need to give his shareholders a really good explaination why blowing their money on this boondoggle was a good idea. About the only ideas that would fly are:

    Break up Redhat to disrupt the Linux market

    Make Linux the core of MS' business model

    The former would be lame, since IBM is in the position to pick up the RH Enterprise Edition business with SuSE. The latter would be too revolutionary, and MSFT share prices would see an unacceptable drop. It would be reasonable to assume that IBM might react with a bid of its own. If IBM absorbed RDHT, it would still leave MS customers, shareholders, and employees with lots of (for MS) counterproductive FUD.

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  60. New Overlords.... by GryphonTech · · Score: 2, Funny

    I for one welcome our new Microsoft overlor.......

    Wait... ummm..... Wow. Deja vu.....

  61. No deal, but big fun for RHAT at M$ expense by dcavanaugh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Full disclosure: I own a very small number of RHAT shares.

    I see no reason for MSFT to buy RHAT, even for the purpose of shutting it down. If MSFT was dumb enough to start such negotiations, RHAT would just let the rumor leak and drag out the process while their stock soars. RHAT shares have been doing quite well lately, fueled by nothing more than an OLD revelation about Michael Dell and his $100M investment. An MSFT buyout rumor would further pump the price of RHAT without any need for increased earnings or expanded market share.

    A real or vaporous MSFT buyout would be like tricking Al Qaeda into promoting US Treasury Bonds.

  62. Re:Buying RH would open MS to GPL violation claims by fishbowl · · Score: 2, Informative


    "While it might be difficult to prove, this would open Microsoft up to accusations of assimilating GPL code in to Windows."

    Or the other way around, along the lines of what SCO accused IBM of doing, only, perhaps in Microsoft, it could lead to a case that actually has merit, and also favors Microsoft.

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  63. Cowards suck by RedHat+Rocky · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Man, I thought comments from ACs were bad, but story submissions from ACs REALLY suck.

    I guess it's too late to Not Feed The Troll.

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  64. All Linux Distros Package "Other People's Ideas" by reallocate · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >> Red Hat '...makes its living packaging and selling other people's ideas.'

    We often see this assertion. It makes no sense.

    Unless you buy or acquire your software directly from each individual developer, everyone cranking out Linux distributions is packaging and selling "other people's ideas".

    You might as well argue that McDonald's got rich by stealing the idea of the hamburger.

    Nothing more than simple opposition toward and envy of anyone that's successful.

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  65. A couple of reasons MS should buy Red Hat by tjstork · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's about money. Red Hat is an enterprise that exists to make money for its Shareholders. IF a deal paid a good premium to Red Hat shareholders, then, they would be foolish to sell out.

    It's not unusual to have more than one O/S. IBM sells you more than one kind computer and more than one kind of operating system and has made a fair amount of money on it for years. MS could do the same.

    It might save MS some money. They've got billions of dollars a year plowed into Windows R&D, and what are they getting out of it? Nothing? Where's the growth in Windows? MS could theoretically make a mountain of money simply by offering a migration path to Linux - everyone must migrate to their Linux Enterprise edition, and suddenly that's billions of dollars.

    Finally, having control over the premium brand is an excellent way to hedge your bets. Microsoft would control the trump of Windows and the trump of Linux. Certainly having all of those Red Hat developers could make for better ports of things like .NET, Office. Come on, if they actually had Visual Studio for Linux, KDE may as well just give up.

    In short, Microsoft jumping on the Linux bandwagon is nothing less spectacular than IBM jumping on the PC bandwagon some decades ago. Remember then, they said that elephants couldn't tap dance? History has a way of proving rebellious pundits wrong.

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  66. how much is publicly purchasable? by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can someone out there who actually understands the stock market (that wouldn't be me) answer this: What percentage of Redhat is publicly purchasable right now in the first place? Even if they wanted to, could MS buy more than 50% of the company at all?

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  67. Re:What if by Nightreaver · · Score: 2

    A shame they aren't from Russia.