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Nerds Make Better Lovers

ultimabaka writes "The New York Daily News, fine bastion of reporting that it is, released an article today discussing the rise of nerd popularity among women in general, and famous women in particular. Detail is given into the dating exploits of Christina Aguilera and Elin Nordegren (nerdy Tiger Woods' supermodel squeeze), among a bunch of regular Janes. Apparently being a nerd is now in?"

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  1. naturally... by professorhojo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of course we're better lovers.. it's because (among other things):

    - we don't sleep around
    - we're generally good at the things we try
    - we can concentrate, dammit!
    - we have *excellent* finger dexterity :-D
    - and most importantly, we have imagination!

    more here >>

    1. Re:naturally... by julesh · · Score: 2, Funny

      - we have *excellent* finger dexterity :-D

      Particularly those of us who also play guitar. :)

    2. Re:naturally... by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, all true, but there are things that take points away like living in Mom's basement, having pasty white skin, and living off of caffeine and doritos.

    3. Re:naturally... by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 5, Insightful

      BS.

      The thing about this article is that it's talking about what good providers nerds make. And what nice guys they are. And how much of a 'turn on' that is. People - women and men both - don't like what's good for them. It just doesn't seem to be the way things work. Intelligence, introversion, and individualistic tendencies (standard geek traits) != Sexy. Eval(Good breadwinner + good hair + muscles == sexy) == 1.*

      The famous couples in TFA where the male is paid millions to ACT like he's a geek are not good examples.

      Geeks are, of course, willing to put a lot more effort into relationships sometimes. And they are sometimes willing to learn, because it's what they like to do. Occasionally they can be interested in learning interpersonal and social skills. That can make them easier to deal with in some ways, and (or so I've been told) intelligence can make them slightly better in certain situations where a bit of knowledge about biology is helpful. Does this make them more attractive? Not really. Does it make it easier for them to get girls to stick around for a while? Kinda. In my experience, the 'geeky' drive to throw intense, unimaginable-to-non-geeks effort into a problem until it is 'solved' has been a great detriment to every relationship I have ever attempted. Add to that the fact that most of the geeks I've known have been idealists, perfectionists, and socially inept for various reasons, and you get a group of people that aren't that sexy. Female geeks generally have their pick of the litter, and that's a sign that it's a very strong seller's market to me.

      Sorry. This article isn't accurate. Modern society isn't getting deeper, it's just that its advice columnists want to think they are.

      * - I haven't touched a C compiler in years. Correct me all you like.

    4. Re:naturally... by Datamonstar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or the saxophone, then you get the tounging down well, too. ;)

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    5. Re:naturally... by lewp · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, I'm willing to share my Doritos with the ladies.

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    6. Re:naturally... by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 5, Funny

      You get Doritos?

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    7. Re:naturally... by jallen02 · · Score: 2, Informative

      OK.. spaces are not valid for identifiers.

      Try (good_breadwinner + good_hair + muscles) or in Java style, (goodBreadwinner + goodHair + muscles).

      ;)

      J

    8. Re:naturally... by TheCreeep · · Score: 5, Funny

      "He has the fingers of a Geek God!"

    9. Re:naturally... by Nindukugga · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not to mention the ones of us who play the harmonica...

    10. Re:naturally... by Peeps+In+Da+House · · Score: 5, Funny

      What does finger dexterity have to do with anything? Unless you're planning on having calculator races... Fun, but I haven't done that in years, not since I gave up my TI-92 for a HP48G. Girls used to love my mad skillz!

    11. Re:naturally... by MindStalker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In my experience, the 'geeky' drive to throw intense, unimaginable-to-non-geeks effort into a problem until it is 'solved' has been a great detriment to every relationship I have ever attempted. Yep, my wife hates it when I try to talk about our problems she'd much rather just be gloom about it and work it out herself (note we never have any serious problems so this is ok) I think this is a common thing, people want to complain but don't actually want solutions to emotional problems. Otherwise as long as your geek is willing to try to learn social skills, they are much better in a relationship than some guy who is an ass and will never change.

    12. Re:naturally... by professorhojo · · Score: 5, Funny

      > What does finger dexterity have to do with anything?

      you ... really .. can't think of .. *anything*?

    13. Re:naturally... by Adrilla · · Score: 3, Interesting

      People - women and men both - don't like what's good for them. It just doesn't seem to be the way things work

      I'd bet that we are more attractive to people who are more mature, people who've gone through the mistakes in relationships and see that the smart money is on the more sensible, intelligent, cooperative and stable nerd. Plus nerd isn't instantly a bad thing now. Sure cool will always be cool, and they'll probably always get the pick of the litter, but eventually the pick of the litter will see that cool tends to be shallow and after they learn that lesson and are ready to move on to something more substantial, a nerd will always be waiting in the wings.

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    14. Re:naturally... by Erioll · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Betty: You're a Nerd! You were WONDERFUL! How is that?
      Louis: All jocks ever think about is sports. All we ever think about is sex!

      Revenge of the Nerds. Great movie. Interesting to see how many actors are there hit it big later, such as:
      -Anthony Edwards (Gilbert. Hit it big on "ER" later)
      -Ted McGinley (Stan. Everybody now knows him as "Jefferson Darcy" from Married with Children)
      -John Goodman (Coach. Lots of other things since)
      -James Cromwell (Louis's Dad. Definitely a big name now)

      Maybe a few others, but still, awesome movie.

    15. Re:naturally... by adapt · · Score: 2, Funny

      So I was not alone in envying the guy that gets Doritos. I will trade my attick for his basement if I can get spicy dip sauce :)

    16. Re:naturally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What it comes down to, I think, is that a nerd is a decent choice for a stable, mature relationship, but is generally overlooked. This uses the classic stereotype nerd to some extent, as someone smart but introverted.

      Younger women, like young men, basically look at superficial traits to a large extent. They are attracted to certain body shapes, personality types, and dress. Nerds don't tend to meet those, and get forgotten. When people mature a little, they start to look more for a personality that they can spend the rest of their life with. Nerds can fit very well in this category, but they get forgotten because they aren't out socializing, and because of negative stereotypes. Some people are just pointing out that they deserve a second look.

      Then again, I can only comment from observation. 29 and never been on a date.

    17. Re:naturally... by Brushfireb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think what he is saying is: What person past the age of 17 uses their fingers all that often (in the manner implied) when they have a mouth &/or genitals?

    18. Re:naturally... by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Also geeks have the tendancy to study up on stuff. So we don't use trial and error as much as your average meat head.

      See porn is research! :)

    19. Re:naturally... by Boronx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Only last year I heard a survey of women who were asked to rank different the different professions they'd slept with as lovers. "Programmer" ranked the lowest. Something like "Truck Driver" was tops.

      Now, its interesting. Niether of these professions are known to be fit, both sit on their asses all day. So what gives?

      I think it's confidence, and that confidence is the number one turn on for women in bed. If you're a programmer and you're pushing the edge of what you know every day, overconfidence can kill you. It's worthwhile to question yourself, to wonder if there's a better way, to be curious and humble.

      Another angle is that for a truck driver, sex may just be the only interesting thing in his life, and he devotes all of his brain power to it.

    20. Re:naturally... by Rei · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Bah, *real* geeks play the theremin.

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      Sigur RÃs: I didn't know that Heaven had a rock band.
    21. Re:naturally... by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah. Being a good 'second choice' makes you sexy. Not to be bitter here, but having been a good bet in the end has made me unbelievably unhappy in the past. Still does now, but then, I'm young. At 21 I had a girlfriend who wanted to get married. She was my first real gf. At 24 the same, and at 26 I'm single. I want to try out relationships with many people, to see what works, and the only women interested in me are the ones who want to get married. This pisses me off, and sends me to sites like this to see that, well, things are simple if you can just learn to be more cold, calculating, and manipulative. Which would be betraying myself in a number of ways.

      Now. To your comment about 'pick of the litter.' I'm saying that there are probably three geek guys to each girl willing to date them. (money tilts things in the end) Women aren't attracted, naturally, to men who are intense. My favorite theory on this is from Swingers, "I don't want you to be the guy fromm the PG-13 movie who everyone's rooting for. I want you to be the guy from the R rated movie that you're not quite sure about yet." Nerds, generally, are the guys from the PG-13 movie.

    22. Re:naturally... by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not surprisingly, hardly a word in this entire comments section is about girl geeks :P

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    23. Re:naturally... by sputnikid · · Score: 2, Funny

      That brings up an interesting point.

      How is finger dexterity supposed to help if you have never handled the "instrument" before?

    24. Re:naturally... by Reverend528 · · Score: 5, Funny
      A lot of this depends on the type of geek.
      • Smalltalk geeks are good at conversation, but not much else
      • Java geeks don't mind a girl who is needlessly complicated
      • Lisp programmers will probably try to change anything about you that doesn't fit their design goals
      • Kernel hackers are only interested in your internals
      • vim users seem preoccupied with the colon
      • Perl Geeks will remain loyal after 20 years, no matter how unattractive you become in that time
    25. Re:naturally... by bhtooefr · · Score: 2, Informative
      I thought VB didn't allow spaces...

      Ah... here it is (Programming in Visual Basic .NET, Bradley & Millspaugh):
      A programmer has to name (identify) the variables and named constants that will be used in a project. Basic requires identifiers for variables and named constants to follow these rules: names may consist of letters, digits, and underscores; they must begin with a letter; they cannot contain any spaces or periods; and they may not be reserved words.
      (my emphasis)

      So, no, that's not even valid VB variable naming ;-) (Of course, that's nowhere near VB syntax - VB's ruined me with = being used for both assignment and equality testing - I haven't even touched VB in forever, and I STILL accidentally use = for equality testing in Python (Python requires ==))

      FWIW, to get back on topic, I've almost gotten a girl BECAUSE I'm a geek (and she most definitely wasn't, FWIW). Then, I try to get the girl with a few geek qualities (but not a geek), and... that didn't work. At least she's a good friend... </rant>
    26. Re:naturally... by Jaysyn · · Score: 2, Funny

      Can your tongue hit the old G-Spot? Unless you're Gene Simmons, the answer is no. As for the genitals, well that's a case by case basis I'd guess...

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    27. Re:naturally... by Professor_UNIX · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't forget we're more efficient so sexual intercourse only takes a minute or two and then we can go back to work. Oh wait, better for the WOMAN?

    28. Re:naturally... by jacksonj04 · · Score: 3, Funny

      We learn quickly. If we can tell something is wrong with a PC just because it's humming at the wrong pitch, we learn we're doing something right to a women by listening to the murmurs, moans, whimpers and, if you're good, screams.

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    29. Re:naturally... by IdleTime · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree...

      Talking about famous people and how they have the hottest women and still are nerdy, is just an example of how easy it is to get a trophy wife when you are famous and have money. Elin Nordegren, to whom Tiger Woods is married, would never have ended up with a guy like Tiger if he had nopt been worth $500 million+.

      Don't get your hopes up guys, girls don't like introverted single minded computergeeks. Get a different hobby, lose the ugly glasses, get some contacts. Get a skin treatment and loose some weight. Get some dental work done. Learn how to communicate and how to listen. Girls in general couldn't care less about computers, nor do they like that you spend 10 hours a day in front of the screen.

      Nerds, geeks and what not... If you want a girl, you need to change. Introverts are not sexy, they are horrible to be around due to their intorversion. Sorry guys, don't get ypur hopes up!!

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    30. Re:naturally... by Sheepdot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Intelligence, introversion, and individualistic tendencies (standard geek traits) != Sexy.

      Even attractive geeks can confirm the accuracy of the above statement.

      I'll go even further to establish the real problem with being a geek. You can't attempt to "court" a lady, or even flirt with them without looking your official geek status.

      Since there are no, and I absolutely mean: no, women out there willing to "court" a man, your life will consist of waiting for a girl to talk to you, and/or maybe getting lucky cause a chick four years younger than you feels sorry for you or can at least use your age to make the other girls jealous of her.

      I want to establish something VERY clear for the good of geekdom: do not believe the hogwash in these articles by (mainly) women in fashion magazines and teen glamour shows on TV. The second they tell the girls this stuff, the girls consider it "old news" or their idea of a geek is someone like the article mentioned, Tiger Woods, or Clay Aiken. I'm starting to think that the media's definition of a geek is "someone who hasn't had a run-in with the law"; as if geeks don't do enough lines of coke or wife-beatings.

    31. Re:naturally... by JohnFluxx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You the right idea, but totally opposite reasoning.

      Confidence in the number one turn on, and generally geeks don't have it. It's certaintly not overconfidence, but underconfidence.

    32. Re:naturally... by youknowmewell · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I say let them keep spreading around inaccuracies. The ladies read them you know. Self-fulfilled prophecy, anyone?

    33. Re:naturally... by pLnCrZy · · Score: 5, Funny

      How apropos...

      A /. thread about geeks and the opposite sex turns into an argument about coding syntax...

    34. Re:naturally... by stuartkahler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, all true, but there are things that take points away like living in Mom's basement, having pasty white skin, and living off of caffeine and doritos.
      If you live in your parent's basement (and you're past college age), you're a loser. Being a nerd/geek is not your problem.
      If she meets your parents before you you first kiss her, it's going to be much harder make a good impression. Would you date a girl that would likely require you to move into her 12x10 bedroom with cinderella sheets, n'sync posters, barbies on the shelves and her nutty parents across the hallway? How she looks and acts would barely come into play.

    35. Re:naturally... by CFTM · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually this is a difference between men and women, this is not a difference between geeks and non-geeks. When men talk about their problems, they tend to do it in order to come up with concrete solutions to the problem. Women view it more as a means of clearing the air and putting things on the table; she wants you to listen not give advice. It's just a difference in the way that men and women communicate [this statement is based on the norm, there are exceptions and it is not the case with everything but there are indeed psycological studies to back this up].

    36. Re:naturally... by MutantHamster · · Score: 2, Funny

      And if you play the drums... aw, damnit!

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    37. Re:naturally... by ValourX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Women want men who are aloof and unavailable, yet still social and personable. It may seem like a paradox, but it's not. It's best summed up by saying, "Look like you're interesting but never interested."

      Women do like smart men very much. The "geek effect" is when smart men do stupid social things like acting too interested in a woman or acting like an idiot around her. Just walk up to her, talk to her, make her laugh, ask for her phone number, and if she gives it to you, wait at least a week to call her. Don't make a date on a weekend, make it on a weeknight. If she is otherwise taken, ask if she has a friend that she'd like to set up on a blind date. Never walk away embarrassed or disappointed -- that's weak and women don't like it.

      Women don't want what is bad for them, they want what they think they can't have. It makes them think that they might not be good enough for you, and if you play your cards right in dating and socializing, she will be happy to be with a smart, intelligent man who has piqued her interest . She'll feel like she's doing better than she should be.

      Go read Doc Love's column on AskMen.com. It's damn good advice, and it works.

    38. Re:naturally... by failure-man · · Score: 4, Funny

      Woo! I'm a nerd and ambidexterous. I've gotta be the absolute best around.

      Hey Slashdot ladies: I'm perfectly willing to make my email public. ;)

      * crickets *

      Aw man.

    39. Re:naturally... by dpilot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Youth is largely beyond your control. Life cannot continue the way it is for you, indefinitely. The real hitch is that by the time you are ready to be mature, stable, and committed, you may be past the fork in the road, and the opportunity is gone. Obviously it's not binary, but past a point the probabilities dimish to the point where it's almost binary.

      Women tend to be more sensitive about their "biological time bombs" ticking, but some of the same is true about men, as well. Kids deserve vitality from a parent, and IMHO they also deserve parents that are able to watch the grandkids so they can go off alone for a few days with the spouse and recapture a little youth.

      Plus there are a lot of positives to being married, some that you can't appreciate without being there and evolving through it.

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    40. Re:naturally... by Narchie+Troll · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Sex Tips for Geeks" can make a strong man cry and have terrible nightmares of a hairy gnome talking about the clitoris.

      Brrrr. Creepy.

    41. Re:naturally... by Iffy+Bonzoolie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think it's fairly obvious that there are linked traits in personality in addition to the commonly accepted linked traits in genetics. Why is there a "geek" personality type (or any other gross categorization of people) - it is a bunch of sometimes disparate personality traits that tend, in nature, to come in a package. e.g. Math and logic skills tend to come with pendantism. I was a computer science major in college, there was a pretty high concentration of both in my CS acquaintances, and not nearly as much in other acquaintances.

      We could argue all day WHY these traits tend to go together, but it's hard to argue that they DON'T. People ARE different - perhaps there's only 4 or 5 different personality buckets that people fall into, but they are very *different* buckets! I'm not going to claim that everyone is a true individual and all that, because I don't really believe it. But: Linked Personality Traits... I'm just sayin'.

      -If

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    42. Re:naturally... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      very true,

      I want so badly to screw my Fiancee's best friend... she is 8 year younger, drop dead beautiful and not good for me in any way.

      She is a wack job nutcase that I am certian that after a few weeks of wild and crazy sex would result in my tolerance of her absolute wierdness and bitchyness to drop to zero.

      On the Other Hand, My fiancee is a wonderful loving caring and wonderfully sexually twisted woman that is most certianly the best for me. It took me 2 years to get over my wanting to not date her but her friends or the other nutty but really hot women I meet.

      The slightly homely woman that had a normal upbringing and is a boring geeky girl that will watch SCIFI, thinks that robot chicken and the venture brothers is a hoot and was willing to laugh with me all the way through "team america" and basically is my absolute best friend is my choice for my life mate.

      Remember guys, the HOT CHICK will be a wrinkly old hag with a "hump-me" tattoo above her butt in 15 years. Tolerating a woman's wierdness or lack of personality because she makes you horny just looking at her is not with it.

      A woman who can be your best friend is your best choice, looks mean nothing.

      Believe me, I've been married to the hottie, it ain't worth it... not even if she can suck the chrome off a trailer hitch.

      And guess what, that "slightly homely girl" become the most beautiful woman in the world to you as you realize who she really is.

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    43. Re:naturally... by Anonymous+Custard · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or those of us hendrix fans who play guitar with our mouth.

    44. Re:naturally... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No matter how hard I tried to get that same youthful fun, I could never quite get what I saw a lot of my peers getting. I feel I missed out of something.

      Here's the way I see it. I might have missed out on some fun, and also probably a lot of stupid and self-destructive things too, but I have the rest of my life to enjoy being with my wife (12 years so far), while many of those party animal types will end up divorced and bitter.

      Did I miss out? Sure. Do I care? Heck no.

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    45. Re:naturally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      i dont think youll be getting alot of girls with the nickname FAILURE-MAN

    46. Re:naturally... by iamthedarkangel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I disagree on most of your points.

      Most geek options in the opposite sex are limited. The rejections tend to make us treasure the gems we find. Sounds stupid but for most geeks I know, it holds to be true. Most times geeks don't have the oppurtunity to sleep around, but yes given the option, often times males will be males.

      That's not necessarily true. Geeks tend to have higher IQ's and such. A true geek also tends to do his research and figure out how to improve things. Some people also have the natural abilities with things. It's like how jocks can naturally be good at sports while we can naturally be good at school.

      Why does concentration require special powers? It requires focus. Most jocky friends I know have the attention span of gnats. Anything that doesn't relate to beer or sports or fart jokes or a hot half naked woman doesn't merit their attention. (Yes I'm generalizing and no it doesn't apply to everyone or all jocks. This is just the typical person)

      A lot of girls appreciate a guy who can pay attention to them and listen to what their saying as opposed to "in one ear, out the other". It doesn't necessarily mean they appreciate you as more than a friend though. They just tend to use you to listen and the jock to date.

      I am different from everyone else. Not because of my fingers though. While my fingers are stronger than the average human, it is a result of a combination of things. Part of it comes from typing at insane speeds.

      While the parent author had one thing in mind, another use is for giving massages. Jocks have strong hands, few have strong fingers. Most can't handle giving the deep massages for more than a few minutes. I can do a few hours easy. Is this superhuman? No. It's conditioning.

      What the hell does this mean? Since when do you need to have special powers to be imaginative? It takes imagination to be creative, and in turn to be really romantic. It's a talent that requires nurturing and development. If you disagree, then explain why it is most of my jock-friends have to buy books on how to be romantic or come to me for ideas on how to romance THEIR girlfriends.

      Agreed. Most of your post had nothing to do what the original post said since you somehow correlate talents and traits that can be nurtured or developed with being superhuman or unattainable.

      Agreed...though maybe a geek chick can appreciate how fast you're able to compile a kernel.

      "It's got a 28.8 k-b-p-s modem!" (hackers movie) :)

    47. Re:naturally... by rizzo420 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      define youth, change, and adventure.

      i'm 25 (about the same age as you from what i can tell). i've been in a handful of relationships. the first girl i dated was unstable, but ended up breaking up with me... i enjoyed the stability of having just one girlfriend. we dated for about a year (during which, we had "adventure" and did a lot of different things). had some fun for a few months with a couple other girls. next girl i seriously dated was for 4 years. i thought i'd marry her. it ended up not working out. she was too young and immature.

      i'm currently dating a girl, have been for 6 months. i know she's the girl i'll marry. now, while dating her, we'll have fun, go out and do different things, try different things. we already have, and it's been great.

      i know a lot of married people, some are settling down with kids, others are going out and having fun and travelling, etc. of course if you wanna go out and sleep around and be with a lot of different women, well, marriage just doesn't allow for that. sure, i get a bit frightened by the fact that this could be the last girl i ever date, but knowing her is the consolation....

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    48. Re:naturally... by dextroz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey someone with points mod this guy up to insightful!!!

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    49. Re:naturally... by shayne321 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And that's the part that has always made me bitter. The fact us geeks will be there when these wild women are "ready to settle down." We won't be out there having the wild fun, partying, adventures with them, we'll be there when they're ready to end that and become more serious. They'll have all these memories and experiences, we'll have Saturday nights watching Star Trek reruns.

      Dude, if I could give you and anyone else who reads this some advice, please listen closely.. You do no need a female to go have wild fun partying adventures. Before I get flamed, let me elaborate.

      When I was 16-20 I did the typical "nerd" stuff. Sat at home on weekends, tinkered with my computer/hobbies, and never had social interaction. When I turned 21 I was fed up with it and went and got a job at a nightclub. I didn't know a single person there when I started, I didn't have a girlfriend, I just took the plunge and immersed myself in the whole nightlife scene. I was working the door of the club, and believe me, everyone wants to know the door guy. We charged a $5 cover and you wouldn't believe what some people will do to get out of paying cover. I got kisses from hot females, drinks, phone numbers, flashed various body parts, etc. Within a couple of months I was starting to go out partying with my co-workers from the club, and within a year I knew just about everyone that came in regularly.

      So in about a year's time I went from a social "zero" to a well known guy in the night life scene. In the few years that followed (my early 20's) I had plenty of girls, tons of friends, and all of the wild partying fun adventures I could handle. At one point I was even dating a stripper for a couple of months. I'm settled down and engaged now (NOT to the stripper), but I wouldn't trade those few years for ANYTHING. Yeah I probably shaved a few years off the end of my life, and yeah I probably could have spend that time doing something "productive" like studying or programming, but you only get once chance at life to have great experiences. IMO you should take them whenever possible, or make them if you have to.

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    50. Re:naturally... by Shajenko42 · · Score: 2

      Generally, those women want to "settle down" when they've gotten a lot of wrinkles, gained a good deal of weight, and had a few kids. This is when those cool guys she had before lose interest and go after younger women, so they "graciously" settle for a guy who's a little more dull but will give them money to live off of.

      And we're supposed to be grateful to them.

      To hell with that.

    51. Re:naturally... by servognome · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't turn it into a gender issue. It's not. It has to do with maturity.

      I've found for most women they aren't looking for a solution, they are looking for empathy. When they start complaining about so-and-so at work is so difficult to work with, they don't want you to start asking questions and trying to figure out how they can work together better. They just want you to say, "they are just a bad person, I mean everybody else loves working with you."
      In their mind they already have a solution, they don't want to hear yours, they just want to know they are supported.

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    52. Re:naturally... by forgetmenot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hrm. I can't shake this suspicion (sp?) that you're not actually a married man, but... an ugly girl.

    53. Re:naturally... by josquin00 · · Score: 2, Funny
      So, where did I go wrong?!

      Playing the violin.

      It could be worse - you could play the Euphonium like me.

    54. Re:naturally... by Lord+Kano · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, all true, but there are things that take points away like living in Mom's basement, having pasty white skin, and living off of caffeine and doritos.

      I'm black, you insensitive clod.

      LK

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    55. Re:naturally... by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      " Girls in general couldn't care less about computers, nor do they like that you spend 10 hours a day in front of the screen."

      It's not even that, really. Most nerds treat chicks as though they're an alien species. They want to be treated like a normal person. Unfortunately, the tendancy is to walk on eggshells around them. "Here, let me get my chair for you." "Oh, I agree with everything you say, don't wanna offend you here." "Not as beautiful as you!"

      Wimmenz don't like that. Nothing turns a girl off more than a suspsicion that you're not being honest with them. They also aren't keen on guys only liking them for their ambient sexual appeal. They like knowing that they've earned your attention. If you just give it to them out of desperation, you're sending up a warning flag.

      Nerds actually can get chicks, but the first thing they've got to do is stop treating chicks like they're ladies. Treat them like a friend you've known a while and are comfortable interacting with.

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    56. Re:naturally... by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's a difference between introversion and shyness. I'm an introvert. I'm not shy. I can go to a party, make friends, go out and play. I just find it generally tiring to do so, and find it energizing to spend time in more intimate settings. Someone who suffers from shyness may, in fact, very much want to socialize with others, but has a kind of social deficit or block against doing so fluently.

      A shy person may, in fact, really be an extrovert at heart, but be unable to act on it. One can deal with the shyness by treating it as a cognitive-behavioral problem, and one can still be introverted and have a healthy social (and romantic) life, just as many extroverts can get the benefits of time by themselves, although eventually they will feel drained if they do not get some social input.

      The energy issue is distinct from the question of inhibition.

    57. Re:naturally... by TekGoNos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, I think that this is more socially than naturally.
      I know A LOT of men who find it very pleasant just to speak about problems without trying to find a solution. It makes me feel lighter.

      The main problem is this stupid image of "the man" in society, that "a man" has to have the solution to everything. When I speak about a problem without trying to solve it, I risk that other look down on me. (Psychologically, I could say that they just dont want to be reminded that they havent the solution to every problem either, but that's their problem)

      Another problem is to find people that actually listen the way I want them to. Men tend to offer solutions, and I dont want solutions, I can find them myself, women tend to offer comfort ("this isn't that bad", "time will solve it") and I dont want comfort, it IS bad, or I wouldnt speak of it.
      What I'm looking for in a listener is his interest and his capacity to make me feel less alone. And to feel accepted despite (or even because!) the fact that I currently dont have a solution.

      Almost all people who I introduced to this "just listen" thing, ended up preferring it to advice and comforting. Men and women along.

      (Note : sometimes I also look for advice, and then I say so directly. And I find it much easier to ask for advice than to ask someone to listen. If I ask for advice, I already have figured what to do : namely, ask for advice. If I ask someone to listen, I'm lost.)

      Generally, I think that men tend to hide their insecurity in silence, women hide their insecurity by speaking about superficially things. Both to avoid speaking about the insecurity. To avoid showing a fragility, a vulnerability.

      And I find speaking about the insecurity difficult, risky, more often than not i'm terrified of being rejected, but in the end very rewarding. And I have found friends who dont reject me for it and I stick with them, as I find it highly comforting to know that I dont have to be perfect the whole time, to always have a solution, in order to keep my friends / girlfriend / family.
      And many people actually react positivly to fragility, probably because it makes me more "human" in their perception.

      And right now, I hesitate to click on the submit button for fear of rejection, especially after Semi-Lagrange said it would be "mentally underdeveloped" to only speak 'to put things on the table'. However, this is how I live my life and I want to combat these gender images (especially the "a real man only talks for to find solutions" ... bah).

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    58. Re:naturally... by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
      > "Sex Tips for Geeks" can make a strong man cry and have terrible nightmares of a hairy gnome talking about the clitoris.

      I just had a vision of RMS screaming "That's GNU/Clitoris, you insensitive clod!"

      And since I'm not sure the battery acid will be enough to erase it, I figured I'd share the misery.

    59. Re:naturally... by NardofDoom · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Don't get your hopes up guys, girls don't like introverted single minded computergeeks. Get a different hobby, lose the ugly glasses, get some contacts. Get a skin treatment and loose some weight. Get some dental work done. Learn how to communicate and how to listen. Girls in general couldn't care less about computers, nor do they like that you spend 10 hours a day in front of the screen.

      About changing hobbies:

      No.

      I will sit in front of my computer when I feel like it. I will simply not abandon my wife to do so. It would be no different if I spent hours and hours working on my car or mowing my lawn or learning sports stats. The type of hobby isn't the problem, ignoring your partner is.

      What you're suggesting is that all people everywhere should give up things they enjoy in order to attract someone else, which doesn't have to be the case.

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    60. Re:naturally... by attam · · Score: 3, Funny

      Would you date a girl that would likely require you to move into her 12x10 bedroom with cinderella sheets, n'sync posters, barbies on the shelves and her nutty parents across the hallway? How she looks and acts would barely come into play.

      Yes.

    61. Re:naturally... by sc0ttyb · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Treat them like a friend you've known a while and are comfortable interacting with."

      Right, because that never gets you the "let's just be friends"/"you're like a brother to me" routine, and we all know that geeks never get that.

      Sarcasm aside, geeks by and large are actually pretty nice people (at least most of the ones I've interacted with), but most of them aren't considered prime choice for your typical female, whether it's because of the social stigma or their appearance or something else. They get thrown into the "nice guy/best friend" role because they have difficulty asserting themselves and voicing their desires. This tends to be a more introverted behavior, but that makes sense as most geeks are introverted. I've had more female friends than male friends in my life, and that's both frustrating and nice.

      No, I'd say the biggest roadblock to geeks finding a good relationship -- hell, even speaking to a woman -- is self-confidence, because that's where it all starts: approach. It's a Catch-22, really, though, because you can't expect someone who's been ridiculed for being nerdy or weird or different to feel any form of self-confidence after being made to feel worthless for such a huge portion of their life. They fear rejection because it's incredibly painful, yet at the same time they hate being lonely.

      I have about this much [] self-confidence, and I know that's what's holding me back. That and I gotta lay off the ribs. Mmmmm, ribs.

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    62. Re:naturally... by krewemaynard · · Score: 2, Funny

      GAH! No way! Tesla SUCKED!

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    63. Re:naturally... by Anonymous+Custard · · Score: 2, Funny

      depends how far we've overclocked our GF.

      And by GF I mean girlfriend, not GeForce :-)

    64. Re:naturally... by Dunkirk · · Score: 2, Funny

      Since when did the Penthouse Forums start cross-posting to Slashdot?!

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    65. Re:naturally... by Rycross · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Another thing to consider is that while we like to glamorize "going wild" and "partying" as the thing to do when young, its not necessarily the case that everyone enjoys that sort of thing. So you may not really be missing out on anything

      I tried to get into the partying thing, and found that I really really hated it. It just wasn't my thing. If it is your thing, then thats great, but you shouldn't feel guilty or like you're missing out because you're not having fun in the same way other people are.

      You should live your life in such a way that you enjoy yourself the best way that you can. Don't assume that because other people are having loads of fun club-hopping, drinking, and dancing that you will necessarily enjoy it as much as they do. Personally, I much prefer hanging out with my friends and doing stuff like video games, playing pool, and watching movies to going to clubs. And there's nothing wrong with that.

    66. Re:naturally... by dreamchaser · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It was a JOKE guys. I know black geeks, asian geeks, white geeks, all colors. It was a JOKE based on the stereotypical geek...

    67. Re:naturally... by mathmathrevolution · · Score: 2, Funny
      "Would you date a girl that would likely require you to move into her 12x10 bedroom with cinderella sheets, n'sync posters, barbies on the shelves and her nutty parents across the hallway?"

      Sure, anything to get me out of my parents basement.

  2. Woohoo! by lewp · · Score: 4, Funny

    The day is mine!

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  3. small correction :P by blackicye · · Score: 5, Funny

    _rich_ nerds make better "lovers"

    1. Re:small correction :P by michael_cain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I forget whose quote it is, but "Money is the best aphrodisiac; but flowers are almost as good."

  4. Thats good news for me. by Cowclops · · Score: 3, Funny

    Kiss me, I'm a nerd.

    1. Re:Thats good news for me. by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This brings us to our next subject. Nerds and person heigene . . . :)

    2. Re:Thats good news for me. by TCM · · Score: 2, Funny

      This brings us to our next subject. Nerds and spelling . . . :)

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  5. Tiger Woods? by mopslik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So being a rich, well-televised sports figure now makes you a nerd? Interesting.

    1. Re:Tiger Woods? by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Informative
      So being a rich, well-televised sports figure now makes you a nerd? Interesting.

      My thoughts exactly. At 6'2 180lbs he's hardly a little guy.

      And except that he hasn't got a bad-boy image, and seems a genuinely nice-guy with some actual talent ... nerd sounds like an awful stretch.
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    2. Re:Tiger Woods? by Trifthen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, I was wondering about that myself. Either standards for being cool are excessive, or someone is stretching the definition of "nerd" to better facilitate an exciting soundbite.

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    3. Re:Tiger Woods? by Nindukugga · · Score: 2, Funny

      You obviously never heard that Tiger Woods finished nethack at 9 under par...

    4. Re:Tiger Woods? by schon · · Score: 5, Funny

      As others have pointed out, golf is not a sport.

      Golf is a game. Tennis is a sport.

      To qualify as a sport, you must sweat.

      Golf is a scottish practical joke played on the rest of the world, kind of like snipe hunting or curling. It began when the Romans, after conquering Scotland, asked "so, what do you guys do for fun around here?"

    5. Re:Tiger Woods? by endoboy · · Score: 4, Informative

      might want to brush up on your history--the Romans didn't manage to conquer Scotland

    6. Re:Tiger Woods? by Fallingcow · · Score: 5, Funny

      "There's only one actor I know of who's a bonafide nerd, and I can't remember his name right now (but he does have a rather clever nickname, I recall)."

      Come on, now! This suspense is *crushing* us! Hurry up and remember, or we'll all have to Trek to your house and make you tell us! Ick, I hope you don't live in a wheat field, I'm alergic to it!

      ...

      Ok, I'm done.

    7. Re:Tiger Woods? by dlZ · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm 6'1" and 155 pounds, and I'm skinny as hell. 6'2" and 180 pounds isn't really that big. I definetely don't have a 300 lb bench, either. I top off at around 150 if I don't want to hurt myself (and that's like once or twice, not really what I lift if I want get a work out and not leave myself injured.)

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    8. Re:Tiger Woods? by ErroneousBee · · Score: 2, Informative

      You need to brush up on yours, theres forts and whatnot near aberdeen, and they mapped the Orkneys.

      http://www.roman-britain.org/places/_roman_britain _layermap.htm

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  6. Of course... by OS24Ever · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sure, they figure it out now that I'm married and totally committed, but noooooo, 15 years ago when I was 18 and single no one figured it out.

    It sucks to be a trailblazer sometimes. You young nerds got it easy. Back in my day a cute girlfriend was GIF pr0n & a bottle of lotion.

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  7. Great News by JJ · · Score: 2, Funny

    After years of hiding my computer literacy, learning to be sensistive, eye surgery to remove the glasses and working out six days a week I learn that I should have perfected my C++ programming instead to get the babes!!!

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  8. I know its a bad pun, but.... by AviN456 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Only a geek knows how to fsck well.

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  9. no... by stagl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    rich nerds are now in.

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  10. Posers by Colonel+Panic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OK, I really don't think that Tiger Woods (or any of the other guys mentioned in the article) fit the definition of 'nerd' the way we use it around here on /.

  11. Diary by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    HER DIARY:

    Saturday, May 21st 2005

    Saw him in the evening and he was acting really strangely. I went shopping in the afternoon with the girls and I did turn up a bit late so thought it might be that. The bar was really crowded and loud so I suggested we go somewhere quieter to talk. He was still very subdued and distracted so I suggested we go somewhere nice to eat. All through dinner he just didn't seem himself; he hardly laughed and didn't seem to be paying any attention to me or to what I was saying. I just knew that something was wrong. He dropped me back home and I wondered if he was going to come in; he hesitated but followed. I asked him again if there was something the matter but he just half shook his head and turned the television on. After about 10 minutes of Silence, I said I was going upstairs to bed. I put my arms around him and told him that I loved him deeply. He just gave a sigh and a sad sort of smile. He didn't follow me up but later he did, and I was surprised when we made love. He still seemed distant and a bit cold, and I started to think that he was going to leave me and that he had found someone else. I cried myself to sleep.

    MAN'S DIARY:

    Saturday, May 21st 2005

    Apple switched to Intel.

    Absolutely gutted.

    Got a shag though.

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    1. Re:Diary by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your writing scares me.

    2. Re:Diary by Gudlyf · · Score: 3, Informative

      That was funnier the first time I saw it elsewhere. But hey, they copied it from somewhere so why shouldn't you?

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  12. Report From Where I'm At by BRock97 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apparently being a nerd is now in?

    Let me check my messages.....

    0. Nope, still the status quo here!

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  13. Nerds by certel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They might make better lovers for a while, but the chick will leave for a badass.

  14. Re:Just after I got castrated! by Soko · · Score: 5, Funny

    You idiot, it's UNIX, not Eunuchs!

    I will say what you did took some, er.... Nevermind.

    Soko

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  15. WHATEVER!!! by SeattleGameboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only in NY Daily News' bizzaro world would a 6'2" guy with rippling muscles, can hit a ball 350 yards with a driver, has WORLD-CLASS hand-eye-coordination, and was routinely named as the MOST AVAILABLE BACHELOR IN THE WORLD (before he got married) would be described as "nerdy".

    Yeah, and I hear Brad Pitt is practically a hermit.

  16. OQ! by garcia · · Score: 4, Funny

    Revenge of the Nerds:

    Louis: Jocks only think about sports, nerds only think about sex.

  17. Female Logic by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is a generalization based upon my experiences with friends who are also female. All of them, when they were younger, dated men who were just awful, useless individuals. They all gave the same reason for it also- so that they would be able to appreciate "Mr. Right" when they found him. Granted I think logic like that's just stupid, but there you go. The offshoot is that by the time a woman is ready to settle down with a guy, she's looking for the traits that nerds have; stable, monogomous, dedicated, etc. Even though the nerds are rewarded in the end, its still going to be the same useless men who get all the women in high school and college.

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    1. Re:Female Logic by Irish_Samurai · · Score: 2, Funny

      Do what I did, emulate a scumbag.

    2. Re:Female Logic by cookiej · · Score: 2, Insightful

      BS. My female friends all say the same thing. They liked being with the jerks because they WERE jerks. Jerks to everyone else except them (until it didn't suit the jerk, of course) and it made them feel special.

      I can't tell you how many times I heard, "Well, he can be REALLY nice when he wants to!"

      But really, the whole thing is a female conspiracy to train us to be lap dogs. We're subjected to the humiliation and abuse of our adolescent/early adulthood to condition us to crave even the slightest attention from a pretty woman.

      By the time we've completed our conditioning, we're happy to give whatever it takes, as long as they deign to give us attention--even if it's only long enough to ask for something.

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    3. Re:Female Logic by Johnboi+Waltune · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm not sure it's so much of a reward for the nerds. In a lot of cases, by the time they are ready to settle down, women have huge amounts of emotional baggage from all the 'awful, useless' creeps and jerks they have dated and been hurt by.

      I'm talking about stuff like being cynical, unable to trust men, becoming manipulative themselves, etc. I am also making generalizations, but many single women in their late 20's to early 30's I have dated have had these issues.

      I am a fairly nerdy 29 year old engineer, but I look alright and have decent conversational skills. I can definitely tell when a woman is responding positively to my 'nerdly' traits (honesty, sincerity, unselfishness, kindness), or being turned off by them. I have a good income (which is attractive to anyone), so if I can pretend to be a bit of a alpha-male jerk I can usually attract either type depending on if I'm looking for a relationship or a fling.

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    4. Re:Female Logic by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 2, Funny

      So after all of those bastards get through with the young hot chicks, us nerds get the old washed up hags looking for stablity because they can no longer shake their ass for young bad boys.

      No fucking thanks.

  18. Re: "Revenge of the Nerds" by airship · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In this classic (cough!) film the nerd 'hero' sleeps with the cheerleader heroine (he is in disguise as 'Darth Vader'), satisfying her mightily. She then discovers his identity, and asks how he can be such a fantastic lover, and he reveals the secret: "We nerds never have girlfriends, so all we do is think about sex." After all, it has been proven by science (scientists are nerds, remember) that the brain is the most important sexual organ. It has also recently been proven (again, by nerd scientists who sit at their computers all day) that just THINKING about exercising is almost as effective at increasing strength as actually exercising. Therefore, it makes sense that just thinking about sex must make you better at it.

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  19. Re:Nerds Make Better Lovers??? by SeattleGameboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    You sir, are either a sham or an impostor.

  20. But seriously, SHOWER! by SlashChick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am sure there will be a lot of comments on this article like "Yay! I can get a hottie!" now. However, speaking as a woman who has dated several geeks, I thought I would share a woman's perspective.

    1) I can't tell you how many geek guys I know who can't even take care of their most basic personal hygiene needs. You need to shower at least once a day and use deodorant to become reasonably attractive to any woman. No woman is turned on by stinky body odor.

    2) Self-confidence is attractive. Unfortunately, many geeks think self-confidence is something for guys who brag about every "conquest" they have. It's not. Self-confidence is simply respect and love for who you are. Love yourself first and good relationships will follow. This is difficult, but it's the key ingredient to any successful relationship. If you know who you are and you love who you are, people will love and respect you that much more.

    3) Complaining/whining is not attractive. Some geeks have very bitter personalities and spend a lot of time whining about how the world would be a better place if only this or that. (The most common one I hear is whining about a job they're in.) If you complain, do something about it! Start your own business. Program something better on the side and sell it. Take control of the situation and create something better instead of griping.

    4) Being a slave isn't attractive. If you make it clear that you'll do anything for a woman, and grovel for her affection, you're going to end up attracting the wrong type of woman. Any successful relationship is a two-way street. While there's nothing wrong with showing your love and affection, groveling only means you'll get taken advantage of and perhaps become bitter about (see #3.)

    5) Lead a balanced life. No one is less attractive than someone who sits on a computer all day and never gets out of the house. Plus, it doesn't make for a healthy life of your own (I should know; I work from home and often spend 12-16 hours a day in front of the computer.) Get out there, meet people, and have fun. It will make you feel better about yourself to have a good group of friends around, as well.

    I have been in several great relationships with geeky guys. I find the most successful relationships I have are with guys who already have a decent level of self-confidence and several friends who respect and love them. They may be interested in computers, but they are also interested in having fun and getting out of the house on a regular basis. Take this guide to heart and you can have a good relationship with the right woman as well.

    1. Re:But seriously, SHOWER! by DesScorp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      4) Being a slave isn't attractive. If you make it clear that you'll do anything for a woman, and grovel for her affection, you're going to end up attracting the wrong type of woman.

      Actually, you won't end up with any women at all. Women like to be chased (not physically, gentlemen...lets not break any stalking laws here), but they don't like guys who want to date their own mothers, either. Women like strength in men, strength of character, strength of personality, and frankly, strength of body doesn't hurt either.

      And just accept the fact that attractive women want attractive men. That's biology for you. Sorry. If your personality can overcome that, good for you, but most of us are programmed by God, Darwin, whoever, to chase the most physically attractive of the opposite sex. The so-called geek success stories here are successes because they have lots of cash, which frankly, goes a long long way toward attracting women.

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    2. Re:But seriously, SHOWER! by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 4, Funny

      All of the above is true. I should know because i meet none of those requirements and i'm a lonely loser.

      Such is life... the ever fleeting depression :)

      I'll never have confidence, I have no idea what a balanced life is.... And here I am whining about it.

      Not a girl around me, and none who care to be around me.

      Oh well. Truth hurts but its true atleast :)

    3. Re:But seriously, SHOWER! by adapt · · Score: 2, Funny

      Those are pertinent observations. But "nerds" and "nerds" with mental / behavioural problems is not the same thing! Unfortunately, I would classify myself as the latter type, altough in recovery. A radical overhaul of my life started after some personal problems that seriously affected my performance at work. I am almost the old lovable "nerd" that I was, and in the process I have landed a nice job, and a hot girlfriend. Having found the balance between work and family/personal life did wonders for me. She knows zilch about technology and computers, but likes to have somebody around that can fix stuff and explain her the wonders of the computer world. Nevertheless, I think she values more the long-term relationship and commitment than the 3:24 of pleasure with the pool boy or the drummer...

      PS I think the article is total BS, it would only be credible if Carmen Electra would elope to Vegas with RMS and webcast the wedding from inside the Elvis chappel :)

    4. Re:But seriously, SHOWER! by geekwench · · Score: 4, Interesting
      • And just accept the fact that attractive women want attractive men. That's biology for you. Sorry. If your personality can overcome that, good for you, but most of us are programmed by God, Darwin, whoever, to chase the most physically attractive of the opposite sex. The so-called geek success stories here are successes because they have lots of cash, which frankly, goes a long long way toward attracting women.
      Not entirely true. Yes, some women insist on a standard of "only hotties need apply", but please bear in mind that women have different standards of what they consider physically attractive. Personally, I don't have much interest in the Tom Cruise / Brad Pitt type; even when they manage to be down-to-earth emotionally, they're what I refer to as "beige wallpaper". It's versatile, goes with anything; you can dress it up or take it down to the bare minimum, but when you come right down to it, it's still beige wallpaper. Bland and boring. Give me a few quirks and a face with some character to look at, instead.

      You might be correct in the general sense, but it is still a generalization. :)

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    5. Re:But seriously, SHOWER! by jnik · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I find the most successful relationships I have are with guys who already have a decent level of self-confidence and several friends who respect and love them.

      Well, I'm fucked! (no, not in the good way).

      Seriously though, a lot of the woe of geekdom comes from the slightly sideways way of looking at the world and interacting with people. (Insert various hypothesized links to autism/Asperger's/ADD/whatever here.) All sorts of seeming paradoxes result: the deeply caring geek who unknowingly whips out incredibly hurtful words or actions, the guy who's willing and eager to talk about feelings and relating to each other but completely oblivious to what he and others are communicating nonverbally, others...

      Some of the social traits of geekdom, such as the ability to be unabashedly enthused about something (even the most cynical geek has childlike moments) or a dry, gently self-deprecating humour can actually work pretty well for an initial spark of attraction. But after that, the emphasis on meritocracy and problem-solving really screws things up. The only solution I've found is to make a continual, conscious effort to pay gobs of attention to how I'm relating. Intelligence and problem-solving convert poorly to empathy, but you have to apply what you've got to the situations you're in...

    6. Re:But seriously, SHOWER! by Garabito · · Score: 2, Funny
      3) Complaining/whining is not attractive. Some geeks have very bitter personalities and spend a lot of time whining about how the world would be a better place if only this or that.

      Then, what are you doing here?

    7. Re:But seriously, SHOWER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I totally agree with this woman. I consider myself a geek, but it doesn't have to be the only thing that defines me. I would like to add a bit to her list though. Perhaps I don't have the perspective of a female, but I know what has worked for me.

      - Self-confidence is indeed attractive, but arrogance and an unwillingness to associate with others is not. For me, I had a lot of trouble associating with non-nerds. There was a fear of not being accepted with them, but there was also an air of arrogance about me. Whatever other stereotypes there are, it is important to realize people aren't stereotypes, even if on the outside they fit into one perfectly. Don't stick your nose up at people if they don't know the first thing about this-or-that or care about things that you don't. It wasn't that people wouldn't accept me for who I am; it was that I couldn't accept the way they are.

      - I wanted to emphasize having a balanced life. If you don't realize the importance of this, my answer is simple: you can't assume that you've found the highest point of happiness in life. You have to explore to find it. This is synonymous with agents in AI--in order to find a near-optimal solution, an agent must get off their local maxima and jump around, settling for less profit for some amount of time. Assuming you are convinced, there are some solutions that I found very rewarding. The first is martial arts--it certainly has the nerdy material, but also teaches you how to train your body. It's also a great way to meet different people. Music, economics, and ultimate frisbee are some other interests of mine. I'm in college, so for me it is trivial to find people who like any topic I happened to be interested in.

      - The slave point is another very good one. Realize you have needs in a relationship, and don't let her think she's better than you. I think the reason most nerds have trouble dating is for this very fact. At heart, I think most of the women we would love to date are good at heart. The reason they don't enter into relationships with such people is because they don't want to walk all over us. Think about it: do you want to expend all of your effort making sure the other person is happy, or would you rather make sure YOU are happy and that the relationship is good? Helping people is fine, but holding someone's hand all the way through leaves something to be desired.

      Lastly, I'd like to apologize to any nerd out there who knows this stuff and applies it already. But realize there are people who have these problems. I would hate to imply that any of us are idiots, but I was there too. It's not that we're stupid, it's just that we're good at different things. But we can adjust; we can change and grow into more mature, more self-responsible beings. Don't let anyone tell you that you have no common sense; you might have to work at it, but there's no shame in that. Just like for someone else, there is no shame in having to work hard at something like Algebra or Intro to Programming.

    8. Re:But seriously, SHOWER! by adapt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Amen. Thank God somebody moderated you from Funny to Insightful ;-) That is the story of my life!

      After having lived in showerless depression for a long time, I decided to confront my dark side of Geekdom, and get some professional help. The initial results were not good, but eventually I found a doctor that understood my geekiness and he put me on the right track. Maybe I was served a nice stew of common sense and standard medical practice, but it changed my daily life for good.

      In retrospective, I lost some of those dark side of Geekdom traits that make geeks or nerds so unactractive to the general population, but I can now recognise that it is useless to be the smartest guy in the room if nobody understands you.

      On the other hand, being smart, a total geek, and being able to interact in normal social circumstances is a very good receipe for success.

      As my Father would put it before leaving to his sister-in-law's birthday party, "we all have to make sacrifices to be part of society."

    9. Re:But seriously, SHOWER! by readin · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The secret of my success as a geek was to focus my geekiness on the puzzle of why women weren't attracted to me. I studied the guys they were attracted to to find out what they had in common. I read women's magazines to find out what women wanted to believe about themselves and men.
      SlashChick's best comment is #4
      4) Being a slave isn't attractive. If you make it clear that you'll do anything for a woman, and grovel for her affection, you're going to end up attracting the wrong type of woman. Any successful relationship is a two-way street. While there's nothing wrong with showing your love and affection, groveling only means you'll get taken advantage of and perhaps become bitter about (see #3.)


      One of the best decisions I ever made was to recognize that any girl who liked some other guy better than me just wasn't smart enough to be my girlfriend.
      --
      I often don't like the choices people make, but I like the fact that people make choices. That's why I'm a conservative.
    10. Re:But seriously, SHOWER! by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wait...

      you're female...

      you're trying to piss off the religious right...

      you want quirky guys...

      you're posting on slashdot...

      So, how many marriage proposals have you gotten so far? My bet's on 14.

  21. Occam's Razor... by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 4, Funny
    When multiple explanations are available for a phenomenon, the simplest version is preferred.

    Thus, we can conclude that IT security at the New York Daily News is lax and some "nerd" has figured out a way to post prank stories. Expect a deluge of stories about the Duke Nukem Forever release party.

    --

    "Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."

  22. Not to mention by MrHanky · · Score: 4, Funny

    We are certain to have the biggest hard drives, and the longest uptime.

  23. What woman say they want vs. attractted to. by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While they say they wan't a guy who is this and this. Most of the time they say they want a geek. But they don't want a geek from the start. They want to take a looser and slowly turn them into a geek. All the woman I have met have this image in their head of the perfect guy and they will only start falling for geeks after they realize that this guy in their head doesn't exist.

    Sure if they fall for a geek they will probably be happer in the long run. Because we tend to have better jobs, Less violent temperments, Be being rejected for over 20 years we take a relationship much more seriously because they are so hard to get.

    But I doubt that hot chicks will start knocking at our doors anytime soon. They will do what Woman have been doing for many many years. Dating with all the "Attractive" People. Then they realize that they are jerks then settle with a geek.

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    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
  24. Geek Poem by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2, Funny
    I shall lift you up to heaven While my kernel source compiles Run my hands across your body While my cron job greps some files

    And as I kiss your rosy lips My server checks my email And as I lay down by your side My syslog's piped to tail.

    --
    Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
  25. If this were really true... by scorp1us · · Score: 2, Funny

    Star Wars movie openings and Trek conventions would be known as hot singles nights.

    Dressing up for movie oenings (LotR, SW, ST) would be considered "men in uniform" and be totally irresistable... unless you're Chewbacca.

    Hard drive size WOULD matter, not how fragmentented it is.

    I would be getting laid.

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    Slashdot's rate-of-post filter: Preventing you from posting too many great ideas at once.
  26. Re: "Revenge of the Nerds" by Cthefuture · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It has also recently been proven (again, by nerd scientists who sit at their computers all day) that just THINKING about exercising is almost as effective at increasing strength as actually exercising.

    What? Where is this study? I'm curious because I workout regularly (for the last 10 years) and although I'm in good shape, I never really developed an athletes body. Now, some part of that is surely genetics, but I'm wondering if lack of focus has an effect. I really only think about exercising when I'm actually doing it. As a programmer I am completely focused on that for 99% of the time I am awake. I wonder if the mere fact that I don't (or can't) think about being "big musclely dude" detracts from my potential in that area.

    Meh, anyway... Let me tell you guys, you don't want the supermodel girlfriend. I have been down that road many times. Attractive (in the pop-culture sense) women may make good playthings for a while but make horrible long term relationships and even worse wives. I actually prefer to have long term relationships because then I don't want to waste energy thinking about that crap. So I guess ... find a geek girlfriend and make austistic babies.

    Save one for me though as I'm still trying to find a geek girlfriend.

    --
    The ratio of people to cake is too big
  27. Re:Just after I got castrated! by falzer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Man, you've got balls.

  28. My take... by ChaosCube · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm extraordinarily attractive, and a genius to boot. The great thing is, I'm not the least bit cocky about it. Women love that.

    --
    BDR Gear
    Outdoor gear, MREs, and more!
  29. WoW by notcreative · · Score: 5, Funny

    Things to think about once my paladin hits level 60.

  30. Oh, fer frack's sake... by geekwench · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Is it at all possible to knock off with the whole "geeks / nerds never get any" commentary? [/mini-rant]

    Now that that's out of the way, I can make a more rational response.

    Women are attracted to intelligence and stability? As a femmegeek, I've known this for ages. What irks me about most of the comments is the reversion to early adolescence that marks these discussions. Using the experiences of high school as a benchmark for your entire life seems a really bass-ackwards thing to do. Almost nobody is, as a teenager, self-confident enough to choose a dating partner without regard to what your "friends" might say. And yes; women can be horribly self-absorbed and shallow. Even women who self-identify as "nerdy". Guess what, though: men can too, and in some ways, they can be even worse about it. I have, sadly, dated male geeks who wanted me around because having an attractive female on their arm supposedly raised their status, somehow. Never mind that I was at least as intelligent as they were; they wanted a trophy, and nothing more. However, I've stuck with the high-IQ set, instead of lowering my standards, because I am attracted to intelligence. I think that many, many other women out there are as well, but given the still-prevalent expectation that "girls aren't..." (good at math, interested in science, fill in your stereotype of choice), most women are more than a little reluctant to admit it. The 50s-era maternal admonition of "boys don't like girls who are too smart" still echoes today.

    Luckily, I never bought into it. So I sit here, posting on Slashdot, an intelligent, fit, good-looking geek woman, who isn't ashamed to admit the fact. And I think that I speak for a number of my fellow geekettes, gentlemen, when I say that smart is sexy. If you want to engage my hormones, engage my brain first. I'm not going to make hot sweaty snugglebunnies with anyone with whom I can't have a good conversation.

    --
    Doing my level best to piss off the religious right wing...
    1. Re:Oh, fer frack's sake... by puzzled · · Score: 2, Insightful



      Appearance fades, sometimes slowly, sometimes quickly, but the end result is always the same. A sharp mind is a joy long after other things fade.

      --
      I am very easy to get along with, but I don't have time to waste being nice to people who are being stupid. -Theo
    2. Re:Oh, fer frack's sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It's actually easy enough to get a girlfriend if you are financially stable. The trouble with a lot of geek-type guys is that they don't realize, they don't actually want one. They think they do, their sex hormones are telling them they do, but they don't. What they actually want is a semi-monastic experience chasing esoteric intellectual pursuits, and to get laid now and then to relieve the biological pressure. This makes for a terrible relationship.

      Most women (and men, for girl geeks) want things that geeks, for all their protestations to the contrary, don't want to give them.

      How do I know this? Let me put it this way, I was happier when I didn't have a girlfriend! I love my girlfriend, but she drives me crazy. Lot's of reasons, but financial ones are the biggest ones.

      It doesn't help that our society pushes emotionally unready people into relationships by acting like, "Oh, if you only had a boyfriend or girlfriend, you problems would be solved." The reality is, "oh, you've got a boyfriend or a girlfriend, that's another problem."

    3. Re:Oh, fer frack's sake... by syousef · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was happier when I didn't have a girlfriend! I love my girlfriend, but she drives me crazy.

      Dude, if you're serious get out while you still can. Before you marry her because its expected or get her pregnant and stick with her because its expected (or wind up alone but paying child support)

      It's always going to be an effort having a relationship but if you're not getting enough out of it that you're not happier to be with her than alone, why would you bother?

      --
      These posts express my own personal views, not those of my employer
    4. Re:Oh, fer frack's sake... by Xyrus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I still find that women are turned off by my profession (programmer).

      I mean, don't get me wrong, I am happily married. But women will hit on me at the gym (when I don't where my band, I've already bent the hell out of it when weight lifting).

      I'm polite about it. But whenever that question comes up (what do you do?), I usually get the quick exit treatment. I almost get the feeling that women are intimidated by it or something. Like they don't think that someone "so smart" would ever be interested in them.

      So geeks, get up your friggin' courage. Women, stop thinking so low about yourselves.

      And for fsck's sake just talk to one another.

      The more people get laid, the happier they'll be.

      ~X~

      --
      ~X~
  31. Re:The Real Reason is that Geeks Are Submissive by scorp1us · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Buhahuhahuhahuha!

    Don't call it femdom. PLEASE!
    I will agree that there is a feminizing of men going on (the whole Metro thing) but do not think that you will be "on top" or you ahve a right to be on top. This is largely due to the Pill. It puts power back into women's hands. They get to control if and when they reproduce. It is this finals say that allows them to take on higher education, careers and become wealthy and a huge part of the economy with all the repurcussions therein.

    I also admit in societies where everyone is equal, that typically women do end up in power, due to us being baby batter cannons and always following our lower heads.

    But do not think that you are superior. Each sex has its strengths and weaknesses. Do not think that any sex is more powerful than the other. We need each other to survive.

    The same time you spew all that female superiority BS I can throw out sites like this

    I will agree though that women's place in society has suffered since the greek civilization. This is because they were the first ones to realize 1 man+1 woman= 1 child. Previous cultres assumed that the childs paternity was proportional to who the mother had slept with up to the time of conception. Greeks realized it was 1 man, and 1 man's only. This then put women into a position of sequestered in the mans house. Women have been digging out of that ever since. I think it is a travesty that it happened, and I do welcome you as equals but do not begin ever to think you are superior.

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    Slashdot's rate-of-post filter: Preventing you from posting too many great ideas at once.
  32. come on! by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 3, Informative

    don't tell me you haven't yet figured out that for things to be very enjoyable for the majority of women (there are exceptions, but they are few and far between) you *do* need to use your fingers (in the manner implied) while you use the other parts you mentioned. Not to mention that having dexterous fingers is definitely an asset in 'warming things up' before 'progressing' to said parts.

    --
    -- the cake is a lie
  33. Re:just make sure by kingjosh · · Score: 2, Funny

    oh yeah, and if you're a girl who is going to cheat on a nerd, you're going to get caught. Especially if you use any form of electronic communication in your filandering, duh. Honestly though, if you marry someone with incredibly strong analytical skills and you try to sneak things by them they will quietly figure it out. So if you're going to be a cheating bitch, perhaps you should marry some asshole player or just hang out at the clubs, get wasted and rub up against the other amazingly successful cooks and drunks out there. Do I sound bitter? Hope all is well in Tucson Sandra! Bitch.

  34. Confidence by gr8_phk · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "2) Self-confidence is attractive."

    Confidence is attractive. Don't confuse arrogance for self confidence. This is how the hot chicks end up with jerks.

    "Self-confidence is simply respect and love for who you are."

    I'll agree the respect part, but self-love == vanity and is nither confidence or attractive. Keeping a good appearance is part of self respect, checking ones self out in the mirror before having-at-it is the other.

    If women could just make better distinctions between these couple things, they could weed out the jerks and not resort to nerds to avoid the A--holes.

  35. Re:Nothing New Here: Dames Marry Nerds by youknowmewell · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Screw #3, I want to see #1 get married. I think RMS would need to brush his hair for the wedding, though. I just can't picture him in a Tux, though. Maybe GNUSkin coat?

  36. Re:Of course...Dude! by mr_z_beeblebrox · · Score: 5, Funny

    Back in my day a cute girlfriend was GIF pr0n & a bottle of lotion.

    I'm dating your' ex!

  37. Beauty and the Geek! by antdude · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is anyone watching this funny reality TV show? The second episode was aired last night on KTLA 5 (Los Angeles, CA, USA). The guys had to do massage stuff while the gals had to fine tune sport cars.

    I don't see how geeks and nerds can be better lovers from that show especially with Richard. ;)

    --
    Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
  38. A couple notes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Things I wish I had really figured out earlier:

    1) Don't stink. Yes, I know you can't tell. Nerd types have had enough cool things happen (code compiled, game beaten, etc) while utterly reeking that we lose the automatic association between hygiene and effective living. I'm serious, everyone else has it, we don't. So just accept:

    a) In the morning, you must:
    i: Shower. Soap everywhere. It's better to annoy people with longer showers than to annoy them with too short ones. A shower radio can help (this one has MP3 and a mirror for shaving!).
    ii: Brush your teeth and use Listerine. At least occasionally floss.
    iii: Put on underarm deodorant. I recommend antiperspirant gels. If you have recurring, serious problems anywhere you sweat alot -- it's fungus, and it needs to die. Tinactin works. If you're out in public, and realize your underarms stink -- squeeze teabags under your armpits in the bathroom. Works well (thank you, worse case scenario guide to sex and dating). Oh, those new body sprays (Axe, etc) may be budget cologne, but reactions to them ain't bad. Don't wear too much of it, though, and no it's not a replacement for a shower.
    iv: Wear clean clothes. Your pants and your jacket are the only thing you can re-wear. Everything else goes in the biohazard pile.

    b) After school or after work, if you're going out anywhere you need to impress anyone, you are generally expected to do all the above again. Annoying, sure. But even if you don't stink by dinner, you may start ripening by bedtime.

    c) Your clothes must fit. Baggy is vastly better than too tight. Can't emphasize this enough. Wear a belt; people really hate seeing asscrack. Don't wear corporate tech t-shirts you got at a trade show, except for Google. They're an exception that proves the rule. Speaking of clothes, no visible pit stains, and if it's ever really, really stunk -- it needs to be washed in hot water, generally with bleach, or the bacteria and fungi that eat your sweat will be primed and ready to excrete the stuff that actually stinks. This is the idea behind undershirts and underwear, by the way. The bleach and hot water make your colored stuff fade.

    Regarding wardrobe issues -- girls do like shopping with guys (Ken doll, they're not paying, get to be useful, etc), but you actually can't say things like "I dunno, whatever." Feedback is necessary, even if you don't actually know or care. So say things like, "Bring me two or three things, and I'll tell you which is my favorite of them." You actually get to be honest here -- she'll like all three, this ain't the SAT -- but be confident in whatever you answer, and frankly, it doesn't matter that much so answer quickly.

    Shoes matter an absurd amount. Exercise shoes (Nike, Reebok) are only to be worn during exercise.

    Regarding diet and exercise -- Atkins does work, but alot of people do end up sick (I was the biggest defender of the program ... couple days in the hospital disabused me of that notion). Do limit beer, bread, pasta, potatoes, and sugared candy though. Rum and Diet Coke can become the standard substitute for beer, and chicken on the Foreman grill can replace random microwave food amazingly well.

    Exercise, it sucks, I know, they lie. But there's a trick: GBA/PSP while pedaling on a stationary bike works shockingly well, especially while playing an RPG.

    If you've got some cash, getting a recumbent exercise bike and plopping it in front of your PS2/Xbox works really well too. Just link gaming to pedaling, and your body will think it's enjoying pedaling while your mind is enjoying the game. Weird, but it happens.

    Just remember -- exercise is indeed boring, but it's a lot better than eight hours a day of hard labor.

    d) This won't fix everything. There's a world of social learning you need to do. You can't learn the social elements from a Slashdot post (though I

  39. had to be said... by tomcode · · Score: 2, Funny

    Talk nerdy to me.

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    f u cn rd ths u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgmng
  40. You missed the *most* important point. by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're a geek, take an anthropology lesson from society.

    Women are looking for providers. They can't help it. It makes sense. Who gets stuck with the baby for 15 years as it grows up? Not the bloke, he can wander off and father a dozen (a thousand?) more. It's just the same way you can't help looking for physically attractive females.

    Why are men fascinated by money, cars, houses etc? Status items, evidence of their ability to provide. Why do women spend sooo much time on their appearance?

    You want to be sexy to women? Look around you. Start looking and acting like someone who can provide.

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  41. Define 'nerd' by Snufalufagus+Prime · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Somehow I don't think Tiger woods has ever troubleshooted a SCSI card or fired a Magic Missle (except on the greens). Ironically I recall Vin Diesel used to be a big D&D nerd.

    --
    "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." -Groucho Marx
  42. Re:The Real Reason is that Geeks Are Submissive by ewhac · · Score: 2, Insightful
    As women of the world quickly progress towards femdom (yes the practice is growing as more of us realize that we can own the world) the geek will become the more desirable mate as they like dicipline and submission. Just remember to dominate your sub and make him well aware of who the boss is.

    I'm sorry, but this paragraph just drips with disrespect, and I find I can't let it pass unchallenged.

    You've also, I believe, got it wrong: Geeks don't crave discipline and submission (honestly, when a world-class geek faces down a computer, which do you think does the submitting?). What we do like is structure and determinism. We would like the wetware world to be just as orderly and predictable as the software and hardware worlds. So if I, for example, performed activity X, and consistently received from you response Y, I would therefore presume that Y has something to do with X, and will build my mental models accordingly. OTOH, if I perform X, and I receive response mrand48(), then I would presume you're insane, and would be incapable of forming any kind of mental structure.

    Geeks are uncomfortable when they don't know what to do because they don't know what the rules are -- because they don't know the structure. In this respect, dear lady, you hold a slight advantage in that such structure is often formalized in D/S (and no, I'm not going to lowercase the 'S' because I'm not that pretentious). But I think you're failing to note an inconsistency in your position. To wit:

    I did date a few more "normal" guys, but they were either boring, stupid or both. They were obsessed with themselves instead of me [ ... ]

    When reading your post, one starts to form an opinion of where your obsession lies. You decry people obsessed with themselves, yet seem to grant yourself an exception. This incongruity, not to mention apparent disrespect for your partners (by referring to them as "subs" rather than more human terms), may well come back to bite you unpleasantly on the bottom if you're not cautious.

    The only reason I bother to reply at all is because D/S can be a tremendously fun space to play in, but it's enormously frustrating to see D/S abused by people trying to, "prove something," or even to reflect the abuses they themselves endured. I am not accusing you of abuse. I've never met you, and therefore grant you the benefit of the doubt. Indeed, you are probably rather charming company. But working entirely from your post paints an unflattering picture. If you don't wish to be seen that way, you should re-examine how you articulate your position.

    Schwab

  43. geek breakup lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Geek Break Up Lines

    11. (A)bort, (R)etry, (F)ail? R
    (A)bort, (R)etry, (F)ail? R
    (A)bort, (R)etry, (F)ail? F
    Relationship failed.
    10. Now that Half Life 2 is out, I need to refocus my priorities.
    9. You have been unsubscribed from my dating list. Please click this link to confirm.
    8. I need a lover who understands that 20 hours a day on the Internet is normal.
    7. I don't think we should date any more, but we can still be on each other's buddy lists.
    6. I'd like a true beauty so I don't have to spend so much time photoshopping your ugly face out of our photos.
    5. It's like in X-Men number 135, where Cyclops and Jean Grey (as The Phoenix)...
    4. Let's face it. You love Intel, and I'm an AMD man. It's not going to work out.
    3. What do you mean your EULA says that once I've removed the shrink wrap I can't return it?
    2. After you e-mailed me your full-body shot, I realized I was looking
    for someone more feminine
    1. So long and thanks for all the fish.

  44. Re:Confidence is earned, you don't just grow it. by Shajenko42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The hungry don't get fed. Self-confidence and the lack thereof are self-sustaining.

    These are the cruel little tricks of nature that, originally, led to the evolution of species. Great for the whole, but hell on individuals.

  45. Sex tips for geeks by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now that you got your confidence pumped a bit with these news, go on and read this guide!

    Seriously, it's not sarcasm, jokes or anything. It's two wpmen giving tips about relationships, building confidence, and so on, specifically for geeks.

    --
    Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
  46. be smart, get and use free attention by kenjiMR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Women have all sorts of tricks to get free attention. Geeks often don't have or use this skill... even if they know how. I've read Paul Graham's why geeks are geeks rant, but still you can be proactive about it.

    Where a T-Shirt that says:

    "If I can make a computer...

    I can make you cum"

    I bought one at tshirthell.com... It works.

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    Follow Me To Certain Death
  47. reminds me of a joke I once heard... by the-build-chicken · · Score: 5, Funny

    An artist, lawyer and programmer are sitting at a pub, having a few drink and soon the conversation turns towards cheating on their wives.

    The lawyer pipes up. "Don't do it guys, I don't care how pretty she is. I see this every day in my profession, some fool cheats on his wife with some pretty little thing, she finds out, before you know it he's lost half his house, half his assets, half his future paycheck and can't even see his kids any more...And with all that stress, it's just not worth it."

    Then the artist pipes in. "no no no no...life is for living...how can you live in fear like that. Imagine the romance...the passion...the secrecy and mystery. That is what life is about my friend, who cares if you get caught, life should be lived dangerously and passionately."

    The programmer looks up over his glasses and says "yeah, I've got mistress...have had one for quite a few years now".

    The lawyer and artist are shocked. The certainly wouldn't have expected that from thier geeky little friend. The artist pipes up:

    "Oh my friend...tell us, what's it like. Are you always stressed out worried about what you could loose...is it passionate and wonderful...what?"

    The programmer looks up again and say "It's great...best thing I've every done.........wife thinks I'm with the girlfriend, girlfriend thinks I'm with the wife, I can go get some coding done."

    boom tish :)

  48. FYI by DaEMoN128 · · Score: 2, Informative

    there are even romance novels about nerds, so my wife informs me. Something about "Nerd in shining armor by Vicki Lewis Thompson".

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  49. geek != guy by truffle · · Score: 2, Informative


    The entire article reeked of the assumption that geeks are men.

    At least bother to state "male geeks" if that's what you're going to talk about.

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  50. Generalizing by frikazoyd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, just because someone is talking about their problems doesn't mean they are looking for a solution. Every woman I've ever had a relationship who had a problem already knew how they were going to treat the solution, they just wanted to talk through the problem to get sympathy. Everytime I offer a solution when they talk about those problems, I get bad responses.

    And, the women I spend my time with (particularly the one I am marrying) are not lazy or mentally underdeveloped. Typically, if a man has a lot of problems, he doesn't talk about it to anyone and just deals with the emotions involved. And typically, as the grandparent suggests, if a woman has a lot of problems, she talks about them to those close to her in order to feel better about her approach to the problem. Maturity or intelligence level have nothing to do with a woman's tendencies to follow her feelings and be sympathetic of others, be it a natural instinct or societal influence.

    Besides, wouldn't the more intelligent approach be to have a fluid solution, so it can adapt to failure?

  51. woman's perspective.... by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your list of suggestions make sense, but as a self-proclaimed "geek guy" who believes he already follows most of those, I'd still have to make a few counter-points.

    1. I *do* complain (or whine; your pick how you wish to label it) a lot about things I observe in the world around me. If that's too "unattractive" for a woman to deal with, so be it. But I usually point such things out to spark a conversation. I'm typically upset at something I think needs to be pointed out and addressed, rather than just swept under the rug. All too often, I think women want to avoid confrontation or discussion that might not be of the "happy, happy - joy, joy" type. You know... the types that try to end all political discussion at a table as soon as it starts, with a "can't we just talk about something ELSE?!" plea?

    2. I'm not too convinced many women really want a guy that seems very "into" them at all? Practically every time I've been in a new relationship that I was really excited about (felt those "sparks" from the first time we met and all that good stuff), the thing that seemed to immediately terminate it was expressing the fact that I felt so strongly about it! My theory is, women want to feel like they're the ones who "won the guy over" themselves... They want to be the one in the "driver's seat" after the guy makes that first move and does the initial "hitting on them" and they accept. No matter how much you're falling into "like", "love" or "lust" for the woman, the only thing she wants is for you to pay attention to her on her terms, and always drop what you're doing to come over there *if you're invited*, but NOT to start doing things on your own to show how much you care. It has to be HER show, played out the way SHE wants it to play out.

    3. On the "balanced life" thing, sure - everyone needs to get out in public now and then. But if you're really into computers, you can use that to your advantage rather than it working against you here. The computer is the ultimate communications tool! Get into a local IRC chat room for your city or state and organize a "get together" for the people who congregate there. Use email to invite some people out for dinner or bowling or trivia night or whatever you think they'd all enjoy. Do some searches online for recommendations of interesting things to do or see in your area. Buy a cheap hand-held GPS and get into the new hobby of GeoCaching! (www.geocaching.com)

  52. Well congatulations. by ammie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yesterday, while sifting through the UK version of a Cosmo, I found the most remarkable ad I think I've ever seen. It was for a soap product, I think, but the photo was that of 20 Exactly Normal Looking Women. It occured to me that I dont think I've ever actually *seen* Normal Looking Women before...

    I put the ad in front of my fiance, and watched. Over about seven seconds, his face turned from daily-default expression to smelling-onions-and-old-celery. "They're all tubby" he said. I was crushed.

    I was crushed because I work out three times a week, pay all the bills, get paid roughly three times as much as he does, ride a motorcycle, have fabulous hair, very often get asked out, and this all adds up to one thing.

    I can't be normal. I'm not allowed. If I get to be normal, it means that I've just lost whatever it was that made me.
    I listen when he's having a horrible day. I dance when there's no music for no reason. I come home and work on the house-wifey duties, and I make him laugh so hard and so often that any tone in his stomach is at least 60% to my credit. I never thought that I'd have to figure out how to be a good mate despite being pretty because now being pretty is synonymous with being ditzy.

    He is an engineer, and a mechanic, and one of the most nerdy guys I've ever met. He is doting, and flattering, and patient, and as long as I continue to be nothing short of a full-blown goddess, he will continue to be wonderful.

    At least pretty-boys are low maintainance. At least jocks and players they know they're worthless, it actually turned them into better people. Nerds aren't the underdogs, they're the staple, now...and they know it.

    Congratulations boys, now you're the trophy.

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    1. Re:Well congatulations. by swillden · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I put the ad in front of my fiance, and watched. Over about seven seconds, his face turned from daily-default expression to smelling-onions-and-old-celery. "They're all tubby" he said. I was crushed.

      Maybe he was just trying to say that he likes you better than all of them. I mean, if he'd said "they look nice", how would you have taken that? He may very well have thought that you wanted him to point out why they were all worse choices than you.

      Men dread such ad-hoc tests, because we often don't know which reaction is the right one, within the twisty maze of feminine logic. And, by "right" reaction, I don't mean the one that will make her think what we want her to think, I mean the one that will make her understand what we really think. Women tend to analyze relationships much more deeply than men do, with a result that they read more into our reactions than is there -- it's not uncommon that they read so deeply that they get entirely wrong answers.

      If you want to know what your fiance thinks, don't try to test him like that, just ask him. He might lie to you, sure. That's a risk you have to take. But trying to draw conclusions from his reaction to magazine photos just causes you to deceive yourself, which makes you angry at him -- which leaves him baffled, because he, being a man, missed the whole damned thing!

      Keep in mind also that his reaction to the appearance of random women on the street is *NOT* necessarily related to how he would view you if you looked like them. This ought to be obvious, actually. Would you love him more if he were built like a Chippendale dancer? Would you love him less if he were 30 lbs heavier than he is? While men are more focused on appearance than women, they're not *that* much different. My wife was slender when I met her and married her, and she's now somewhat overweight, but I still love her. More, actually, than I did then, because I know her much, much better.

      So, rather than showing him pictures of other "tubby" women and asking what he thinks of *them* and then assuming that implies something about what he would think of a "tubby" *you*, why don't you just ask him what he would think if you put on twenty or thirty pounds? Point out to him that you won't always have time to work out three days a week and that you probably will gain some weight.

      Yes, he'll hate those questions. Just like we hate the inevitable "Does this make me look fat?" and "Do I look older than her?". And he may even lie, giving you an answer that he thinks will make you happy, rather than the flat truth -- it takes many years before there's enough confidence in a relationship that flat truth isn't frightening.

      But even if he lies, it will be a lie intended to make you happy, and that's what you really want to know. As long as it's more important to him that you be happy than that you be his ideal woman, you know that your life with him will be good.

      I think I'll have my wife read your post and this response and get her reaction... :-)

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    2. Re:Well congatulations. by StarsAreAlsoFire · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In 100% seriousness, I think you should talk with someone about your own self image. Be it your own family, your mom, a sister or close aunt, or a counselor.

      If you truly are as scared/upset/bitter/pissed as your letter makes it sound, then it needs to end. Not the relationship -- perhaps -- but the conditions that make it so scary. The way in which you phrased your letter made it sound like 'he sucks, but I certainly couldn't do better'; which is *never* true: if you are afraid of being tossed aside one day because Father Time has finally caught up with you then you can certainly do better.

      It could be as simple as a communication problem -- I'm not there, I don't know.

    3. Re:Well congatulations. by syousef · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I put the ad in front of my fiance, and watched. Over about seven seconds, his face turned from daily-default expression to smelling-onions-and-old-celery. "They're all tubby" he said. I was crushed. ...and if he'd have drooled, you'd have said he was a pig, and wondered if somehow to him you're just plain, and wondered why you go to all that effort making yourself pretty. That's not a fair test and at least part of you knows that. Why do women set up tests where no matter what the guy does he fails? Do you ENJOY being miserable? This whole post is a rant and lament about how you're a wonderful person but your boyfriend might not love you if you weren't. How quickly would you lose interest if he was no longer "doting, flattering and patient"?

      He is doting, and flattering, and patient, and as long as I continue to be nothing short of a full-blown goddess, he will continue to be wonderful.

      Your looks will fade, granted. He'll love what you do for him, granted. But is it such a bad thing that he likes the person you are? If he actually loses interest in you as time passes then you can complain all you like but what you're describing is not a guy that's in it because you look good or you're perfect.

      At least pretty-boys are low maintainance. At least jocks and players they know they're worthless, it actually turned them into better people. Nerds aren't the underdogs, they're the staple, now...and they know it.

      I've never known a player that didn't think the world of themselves. They can't allow themselves for one minute to doubt their own worth because that might mean actually paying their prey some respect.

      Look, if you want an excuse to go for a superficial idiot, you can make one up all you like but it sure sounds to me like you've got something great and that instead of appreciating it you're bored and looking to hunt down a meaningless fling. That's your problem but why on earth you've been modded up for it boggles the mind! In the meantime I feel sorry for your boyfriend.

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    4. Re:Well congatulations. by ai-rupe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Reaction time is a factor in this, so please pay attention. Answer as quickly as you can.

      In a magazine you come across a full-page photo of a nude girl. You show the picture to your husband. He likes it and hangs it on the wall. The girl is lying on a bearskin rug.

      How do you react?

    5. Re:Well congatulations. by ai-rupe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I appreciate the sincerity of your response, but the joke seems to have missed its target. Go out, rent Blade Runner, and read it again :)

  53. Nerds or ugly rich guys? by Retired+Replicant · · Score: 2, Informative

    Is it the nerdliness, or just the bank account? Hot chicks hooking up with ugly rich guys is nothing new.

  54. Re:Wrong snack... by Joe+U · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's actually a skit by the Dead Alewives, which was featured on Dr. Demento YEARS before the 'Summoner movie' came around.

    The skit is better, the whole thing is supposed to be a warning about D&D, 'Satan's Game'.

    I remember hearing it for the first time while driving from Oklahoma City to Wichita to catch the train to Chicago...

    (Hmm...reading that back...Too geeky, even for me AND this article...must make sure to click post anonymously.)

  55. My mom was right? by ShyGuy91284 · · Score: 2, Funny

    You mean my mom was right when she said they would like me when I was older? Damn....

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