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Windows Longhorn and Internet Explorer 7
An anonymous reader writes "At Gnomedex this year, Microsoft is excited about the new RSS integration into Windows Longhorn and Internet Explorer 7. Screenshots of Internet Explorer 7 reveal how Microsoft has added a search tool to the top right of the browsing window similar to the one found in Safari/Firefox. Also, Microsoft revealed that RSS will be integrated into the heart of Longhorn."
Stop the machine.
"Simplify, simplify, simplify!" Thoreau
Maybe its just me. But it looks like FireFox with some Longhorn UI added. :P
Karma whoring
This is a good move by MSFT, but their lack of respect for web developers is ridiculous.
:hover for all elements? Or any semblance of support for floating elements? And they simply seem incapable of giving a straight answer!
Markus Mielke, quite possibly the most braindead member of humanity ever to use a computer, seems to think that separating content from presentation is wrong. See here for details. Even worse, the article he links says the reason is that CSS3 is not ready. This is despite the fact that the IE team won't even support CSS 2.1 fully in IE7! Yes, they might have fixed Peekaboo and Guillotine, but how about
Dave Massy, senior program manager and all round idiot, in comments to this article, says that support for MathML and SVG should be left to 'experts', never answering the very pertinent query about why Microsoft isn't an expert in web technologies.
Why not go over to the IEBlog and let them have a piece of your mind?
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It's sad.
It's either on the beat or off the beat, it's that easy.
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Well now I'm almost positive that the search engine integrated into IE is MSN's own. And since IE is embedded into Windows, this has a good chance of reducing traffic for Google, Yahoo, and other search engines. So can we expect to see a possible lawsuit for these unfair business practices, which Microsoft is infamous for?
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Microsoft is adding technology into Longhorn? For a moment, I thought it was another announcement of yet another technology being pulled from the house of cards called Longhorn. The next thing that they will be announcing is a Mactel version.
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I'm fairly certain that search bar uses msn search :). Do you think IE users will start using that instead of going to google first?
Perhaps if you only have 3 or 4 IE windows open at the same time I would agree with you. But when I do online shopping or something where I'm going to be looking at multiple pages on the same site, or perhaps I always want a tab with Slashdot open in it, tabs become much more convenient. Once you get used to them they are far easier to manage. I prefer a single instance in my taskbar with 10+ tabs open rather than 10+ instances in my taskar.
"0101100101? It's just jibberish. *looks in mirror, gasps* 1010011010@!? AHHHHHH!!"
Seriously. It sounds like they are saying that this is a FIRST or something. Isn't Internet Explorer the LAST browser to support RSS feeds?
It's either on the beat or off the beat, it's that easy.
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"RSS will be integrated into the heart of Longhorn." Oh my god! Someone get on the phone to Linus Torvalds and tell him to integrate RSS into the Linux kernel as fast as possible!
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Has anyone suggested that Microsoft create 2 parallel operating systems: slimware version and bloatware version? I want a slimmed down version of Windows that includes just a little more than a true pre-emptively multi-tasked kernel I also want a slimmed down web client that lacks support for ActiveX and anything else that is not strictly necessary for accessing the secure website run by my bank.
I need little more. I suspect that this barebones configuration meets the need of most Americans, who are not tech savy.
That is all I need
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The beauty of tabbed browsing becomes apparent when you have a bookmarks folder full of your favorite sites in firefox and you right click and select 'open in tabs' and 20+ of your favorite sites open in a single window for you to peruse while you drink your morning coffee.
And "us" keeps shamelessly copying them. GAIM, OpenOffice, XMMS, and even Linux itself.
Don't hold Microsoft to a double-standard.
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Am I the only one confused as to why M$ would call the gathering Gnomedex? I though it was going to have something to do with the Gnome desktop and M$ for second. Wierd.
My humor is probably your flamebait
When IE 7 comes out and all the Joe Average people start using it (via auto updating, or the new computer they bought, or whatever), they're gonna see the finally-added features and think, "Wow, look at these new things Microsoft created! They're amazing!" because they've never used anything but IE. Microsoft thus gains mindshare for nothing.
Microsoft really needs to hire some real UI artists one of these days.
Personally, i dont need the windows title bar, address bar, etc taking of a chunk of the screen like that. It must be a low res shot but still...
MS likes to make these big screen eating UI's with things that most people never use.
Which is realy not the fault fo the devolopers. I am sure they are very good. But when the goal is get and keep clients, and force is an option, one has a hard time justifing a customer centered approach to development. I mean it is kind of a waste of time to sweet talk a victim if you are just going to knock him out and take his money.
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
>RSS will be integrated into the heart of Longhorn
Maybe there will be a scripting extension so I can add some dynamic content to my blog.
Hey how about automatic forwarding?
Seeing this news item really awakened me to the lack of innovation with Internet software these days. Embedding RSS into IE is mundane to the extreme. This pales in comparison to the rate at which ideas were pouring out 5-7 years ago. I suppose the browser is a mature market, but is it really? Perhaps we need to go back and look at some of the older ideas that were ahead of their time now that the Internet infrastructure is more mature. It just feels like we are still staring at the embers of a long-dead bonfire.
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Gotta admit, they have some smart people there. Yes, firefox is a superior browser, technologically. Yes, it's open source. Yes, it supports CSS2 a little better and yes, it supports alpha channel in PNGs. Does any of this matter as far as Joe Sixpack is concerned? Not a bit!
What does matter then? The stuff they're emphasizing - tabbed browsing, design, and integration. You can spend hours explaining what's better to a layman, and in the end they'll use the browser that looks better and is more comfortable. Plus, if they approach security of IE7 with the same rigor we've seen in IIS6 (which I doubt highly, considering such a short product cycle), security will not be a problem.
It is time for Firefox/Mozilla devs to pile on the goodies. Get us some SVG and CSS3, get web devs (at least some of them) to use these cool technologies, and make Microsoft play catch-up again.
Ain't competition grand?
April 30, 2007: First RSS-Related Security Hole Exploit Announced
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Your explanation is simple and explains a lot -it's almost certainly right.
What better way to sabotage the web as OS and web-apps, than to control the browser? Make it *just* good enough for enough people to accept; but not good enough to make web-apps great - which they definitely could be.
Evil. Brilliant. Very Microsoft.
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Longhorn loses its next generation shell and filesystems, both of which are pretty core OS functionality.
Now they make up for it by adding RSS to their browser? At this rate Longhorn isn't going to be much more than Windows XP plus IE 7 (and yet still delivered late?). And IE hardly counts as OS functionality.
Maybe if they spent their time building an operating system, and let application developers build the applications for it, they'd be able to build an OS that has some really innovative technologies in it. Instead they spend all this time trying to "own the web", as well as compete with 3rd party software vendors like Adobe.
From a technology perspective, I think this strategy sucks. Time will tell whether this is a good business strategy or not.
It is staggering to see how much more efficient loosely-knit community is than mammoth-like corporation.
I think you missed my point. Products like Mozilla Firefox and OpenOffice exist because of big one-time-only investments from large coporations. They were not developed by a loose-knit community. The question is whether Firefox can remain competitive without that backing.
Whenever I hear the word 'Innovation', I reach for my pistol.
why, its very useful to have RSS in the heart of the system.
imagine the possiblities:
* RSS system log:
whenever a line is added to the log, you will be able to see it in your IE 7 Browser!
* RSS memory monitor:
you will have an RSS feed of your memory status in the last 24 hours! you will be able to tell how much memory your computer used, all from your IE 7 Browser!
* RSS file system:
Saving files is too boring?
now you can save them as RSS entries, and watch them from your IE 7 Browser!
* RSS buttons, checkboxes and tabs:
instead of the silly outdated over-rated gui widgets we have today, we will have RSS widgets, which will allow you to know which buttons of an application was pressed, when, and why - all from your IE 7 Browser!
now, tell me you are not excited!
Microsoft, inovates the future
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Those screenshots looks increasingly like Gnome and Firefox. So, I guess it's called "Gnomedex" because Microsoft is cloning the Gnome desktop for their next release of Windows?
Now your spyware and Browser Helper Objects can automatically keep themselves up to date based on RSS feeds!
if you want people to think you know what you are talking about, just put ".com" at the end of everything you say.com
So IE7's RSS support looks virtually identical to Safari's RSS support
Why am I not surprised?
Actually, tabbed browsing was first appeared in Booklink's InternetWorks.
I am not talking to the release date of Longhorn. I am talking on the performance of applications on Longhorn.
I am working on a computational intensive problem. With linux I can install ONLY the functions I need. I can even stop and uninstall all server to free memory and diskspace and make my program run faster.
I really dont want to wait for my program fighting for getting more resources against some funny kernel extension like web access and RSS, which cannot be stopped.
Maybe Microsoft have no interest on scientific arena, but, as the OS getting
more bulky and inflexable, I serious doubt if Windows platform can survive apart from desktop and gamming.
"Don't hold Microsoft to a double-standard."
I find it funny that everybody talks about switching to Mozilla/Firefox because of things IE doesn't support, but when MS finally gets around to updating IE it's bitch bitch bitch.
The Slashdot group-think has a grudge against Microsoft. That, in and of itself, I don't have a problem with. We're all human. We all have our opinions. (I certainly shouldn't be casting any stones.) But what really irks me is that nobody is willing to admit it. All these "It's stupid because it comes from Microsoft" rants are paraded around with a flag of 'Insightful', 'Informative', and 'Intesting'. Microsoft's proud of its work, that's twisted into false hype citing other browsers that have that functionality. (Never mind that only about 10 million or so people on the net are using browsers with that functionality and that MS is introducing it into a much broader market.) Microsoft adds new features with a few additions of their own, that's twisted into predictions of insecurity and buggery. (Possible, but I'm talking elaborate works of fiction here.) Microsoft doesn't announce a particular feature or adherence to a standard (not to be confused announcing that it WON'T do either), it's twisted into more Microsoft arrogance and some Dr. Evil'ish plot to monopolize the internet.
It's very difficult to take any story about Microsoft here seriously. They're not 'news for nerds', they're pitchfork-waving parties. Hardly more respectable than an epic Babylon 5 vs. Star Trek debate.
I expect this comment to be modded down. Fine, no prob. Please, at least do me the courtesy of reflecting on some of the behaviour around here and attempt to see where I'm coming from. I'm not pro-Microsoft, I'm anti-hypocrite.
"Derp de derp."
How do you integrate RSS into the heart of your OS?
Or more importantly, why?
'For we walk by faith, not by sight.' II Corinthians 5:7
When it is officially released, they're going to call it Windows Me 2... which will of course be pronounced "Windows, Me too!"
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
Microsoft didn't get it: the reason Firefox is so damn good is that it's a better browser than IE. I think MS marketing looked at the eyecandy (search box, tabs, Live Bookmarks) and thought that this FireFox was more like some of the customized versions of IE that are out there. They totally missed out the power that Gecko, XUL and the amazingly simple extension system bring.
Firefox renders correctly, it's simple to use and extensions are just plain fun and useful. The user has more control and is literally safer than with IE. Sure there are exploits found, but they are generally fixed quickly and users are alerted to upgrade.
Then there's that whole extensible user interface...
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