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Lucas's New HQ

pin_gween writes "The KS City Star reports George Lucas (of the "It's not about the money" fame) has opened a new headquarters for digital film works. The campus has, among several movie theaters, "data network with more than 300 10-gigabyte ports. Fiber-optics cables are connected to every artist desktop, allowing high-resolution images on each computer. In all, there are 600 miles of cable throughout the campus's four buildings." Not too shabby, or cheap."

146 comments

  1. Obligatory EP3 Quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "In terms of being a corporate executive, I'm pretty much tired," he said. "I'm going to focus on making movies."

    Noooooooooooo......!

    1. Re:Obligatory EP3 Quote... by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      And just when the rest of the world thought how lucky it was surviving multiple attacks, Lucas struck back!

    2. Re:Obligatory EP3 Quote... by Craig_P92669 · · Score: 0

      Relax. How much damage could he do with a walkie talkie?

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    3. Re:Obligatory EP3 Quote... by wandering_nomad_101 · · Score: 1

      Just saw the building, I am from SFO but don't live there and I am wondering why in the Percedio? Could have gone anywhere else but fowling up a pristine place like that is BS. Stay in Napa, you were happy there before.

  2. Great by dankelley · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Now maybe he could make a movie worth watching. - And just watch the modders hit me on the head -

    1. Re:Great by nozzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      SLAP!

    2. Re:Great by sn0wflake · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      You're right. Star Wars episode 3 was very boring and childish. Lars von Trier has produced better films, like Dogville, on a low budget. A good film is not about the special effects but the story. Star Wars caved in at the last episode.

    3. Re:Great by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 1

      Did you just compare Lars von Trier to George Lucas?

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    4. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet they are just using the network to pirate movies.

    5. Re:Great by sn0wflake · · Score: 1

      I compared the quality of work of Lars von Trier to Geroge Lucas. What's your opinion though?

    6. Re:Great by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 1
      Lars von Trier is one of the greatest filmmakers of his generation while Lucas is popcorn fodder. Putting them on the same sentence is blasphemy.

      Come to think of it, Lucas is the exact anti-Trier what with Dogme and all. :-)

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  3. This has been open for a while... by ip_freely_2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Presidio facility has been open for a bit. Yes, it's sweet and one thing that can't be said about George is that he does thing half-assed.

    Of course, the expectation is that you work INSANE hours. I only wish I could get this set up at home so I can balance my life a little better.

    1. Re:This has been open for a while... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, the expectation is that you work INSANE hours.

      Given the fact that you have a geek's dream job (second only to the job where you perform the 'touch test' after a breast augmentation operation to make sure everything went well) in an economy that isn't very friendly to programmers, I doubt you're going to find much sympathy here.

    2. Re:This has been open for a while... by dknj · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Presidio facility has been open for a bit.

      Seriously, this was in last months issue of Playboy. I'm sure 80% of slashdot already knows about this

    3. Re:This has been open for a while... by maggot+the+shrew · · Score: 1

      The Presidio facility has been open for a bit. ... I'm sure 80% of slashdot already knows about this

      The official opening was yesterday. There weren't even toilet seat covers in half of the new buildings on Friday. I'm sure you knew it was coming but a)it was not open before yesteday, and b)today you can come in and walk the grounds. I suppose /. should have stopped people talking about it past the first press release in 1998.

    4. Re:This has been open for a while... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      do you have a torrent?

    5. Re:This has been open for a while... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Playboy has articles?

    6. Re:This has been open for a while... by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 1

      Playboy has articles?

      Yes. And apparently Slashdot does too, so I've heard.

    7. Re:This has been open for a while... by Refrag · · Score: 1
      one thing that can't be said about George is that he does thing half-assed
      He makes movies half-assed.
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  4. So not only did he rape our collective childhood.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    But on top of it he is trying to ridicule all us geeks with ungodly huge data pipes!

  5. Developing a final "Indiana Jones" film by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Apparently, Indy finds out that Dr. Belloq is really his father in a shocking scene.

    1. Re:Developing a final "Indiana Jones" film by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EP3 quote - again Nooooooooooooooo!!!!

  6. Federation by cmcsonar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Once he's tired of the location, the Federation can buy it, because it is located on the grounds of the future Star Fleet Headquaters.

    1. Re:Federation by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Once he's tired of the location, the Federation can buy it, because it is located on the grounds of the future Star Fleet Headquaters."

      Heh. Funny thing is, ILM made Starfleet headquarters.

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  7. I wish I had fibre optic on my desktop by DrSkwid · · Score: 4, Funny

    then I could have high resolution images on each of my computers.

    I'm fed up being stuck on 100Mbps' 640x480x8 !

    lol, good grip on the technology there JUSTIN M. NORTON, any other great stories you have written ?

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    1. Re:I wish I had fibre optic on my desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      lol .. don't forget the 10 gigabyte ports !!! 300 of them !!!

    2. Re:I wish I had fibre optic on my desktop by rylin · · Score: 1

      You're forgetting that they might be doing distributed rendering (for instance, one frame goes to machine a, another to machine b, etc.).
      In this case, that 10gbps pipe would be very useful in sending and grabbing each frame.

    3. Re:I wish I had fibre optic on my desktop by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

      am i ?

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    4. Re:I wish I had fibre optic on my desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know. Are you?

    5. Re:I wish I had fibre optic on my desktop by passthecrackpipe · · Score: 1

      rubbish - lets assume that a cinema-grade frame would take about 25 minutes to render, your 10gbps pipe to and from the supervisor isn't going to make much of a difference on the grand scale of things

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    6. Re:I wish I had fibre optic on my desktop by rsmith-mac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure it will - you're looking up gigabytes of textures at any moment.

    7. Re:I wish I had fibre optic on my desktop by InvalidError · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That would not be terribly efficient.

      Most rendering farms probably load all scene textures/geometry to allocated renderers then the workstation simply queue frame requests to each renderer, reducing the bandwidth requirement to little more than finished frames' (1920x1080x3*10/8 = 7.8MB/frame) transfer, assuming the scenes are fairly lenghty or the software is written to cache across scenes/jobs and the scenes use a substantial common texture/geometry base.

      So the gigabytes of textures/geometry probably only apply while the rendering farm is doing a cold-start with clean caches. The rendering job's setup becomes even more bandwidth-trivial if the whole thing can be setup using multicast - setting up one or a hundred nodes at once takes practically no additionnal time in that case.

  8. Fine and Good by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is all fine and good, but it would sure be nice to spend some of that money on writing classes, or directing semminars.

    Yes, all that technology is nice, but ultimately worthless, if the movies coming out of it have no substance.

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    1. Re:Fine and Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yes, all that technology is nice, but ultimately worthless, if the movies coming out of it have no substance.
      How can you call the most advanced deathmatch system ever created "worthless"?
    2. Re:Fine and Good by sciop101 · · Score: 0, Insightful
      "all that technology is nice, but ultimately worthless, if the movies coming out of it have no substance"

      Substance and Soul movies do not make money. Hollywood is about the $money$. Hollywood has to pay the mindle$$ actors to perform in mindle$$ crap.

      Actor$ are expert at "performing as directed", not the subject of the performance.

      These actors then appear on any and every star-worshipping television show to proselytize a science-fiction religion or world peace thru a high-fiber diet.

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    3. Re:Fine and Good by Adrilla · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, all that technology is nice, but ultimately worthless, if the movies coming out of it have no substance.

      It's not worthless if it's going to be making him money, let's say oh about 50 million on opening day. Indy Jones is coming, and the money that movie is bound to make will pay for this technology many times over. Plus the Star Wars TV show(s), video games, etc. Sure the quality of the movie may not be what you want. But, it's obvious someone is watching them, in fact it's highly likely this is a genius move, because it allows the people there to work diligently with the most minimal of technological setbacks. Some might say this is overdue at the Lucas camp (not that they were exactly working in the stone age at the old campus). Bottom line, the work may not be top quality film making, but it will pay for the technology, and the technology will pay for itself by being the tool that creates blockbusters.

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    4. Re:Fine and Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      You know, the "it's cool to bash Lucas and the prequels" comments like yours demonstrate your inability to understand who and what the movies are for. My 9 year old son loves the hell out of Episodes 1 for example, more than any movie he has ever seen. Just because you and I have outgrown it doesn't mean he has. In fact, 15 minutes into Empire Strikes Back (my fav of all time) he passes out from boredom.

    5. Re:Fine and Good by spoonsman · · Score: 2, Interesting
      That's probably because many people (especially younger kids) just see the "pretty" CG factor stacked on top of some slick actions scenes, and it keeps their attention.

      As an adult, have you ever looked back and watched movies or shows you loved as a kid and realized how completely god awful they are with their completely inane storylines, acting, and plot? That's exactly what the prequals are.

      I loved the original trilogy as a kid and still love the original trilogy as an adult, not just because I have fond childhood memories of them but because they are good movies. They are what the prequals should have been- loved by children yet also loved by adults.

    6. Re:Fine and Good by isecore · · Score: 1

      Yes, all that technology is nice, but ultimately worthless, if the movies coming out of it have no substance.

      In other words, it's kinda like what the games industry has been reduced to. All flash and very little substance.

      Just look at all the crap coming out about the Xbox360 and PS3 - everyone focuses on talking about the numbers (amount of teraflops and such) or how the graphics will be realtime-rendered with 7.1 Digital Audio.

      But everyone seems to be forgetting the gameplay.

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    7. Re:Fine and Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'M SORRY I CAN'T QUITE HEAR YOU! These dump trucks delivering all the cash from my latest royalties are kinda loud.

      - George

    8. Re:Fine and Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, considering they do not really have a quantitative method for measuring gameplay, especially on games for systems that are not even out yet, what exactly do you expect them to talk about?

    9. Re:Fine and Good by oogoliegoogolie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just because you and I have outgrown it doesn't mean he has.

      I haven't outgrown Star Wars-I still watch the original movies and watch scenes from the new ones every once in a while. No, the new movies were just bad movies; even the animated Clone war shorts were much better.

      comments like yours demonstrate your inability to understand who and what the movies are for

      Movies dont have to be divided into "for children" and "for adult" categories. Countless movies have been made that have appealed to both. Pixar and Disney can do it, but Lucas can't, at least not anymore when he directs. In an interview from the 80's Lucas said "a boring movie with great special FX is still a boring movie. He seems to have forgotten these words.

      You know, the "it's cool to bash Lucas and the prequels"

      On slashdot, everything gets bashed.

    10. Re:Fine and Good by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, you're right, the new trilogy is exactly like the crappy cartoons of old (GI Joe, Smurfs or Transformers.) (All of which were my favorites beyond belief.)

      Remember the relationship between Solo and Leia. How it was all uncertain untill she said "I love you" just before they froze him? And then he says "I know". That was awesome.

      The best he can come up with now is "I love you" "no, I love you" "hihihihi"
      No amount of bandwidth and hi resolution images is gonna make that enjoyable.

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    11. Re:Fine and Good by jbplou · · Score: 1

      Revenge of the Sith was vastly better than Return of the Jedi, I like all six movies though. I think its the cool thing for nerds to say the new ones suck, how pathetic.

    12. Re:Fine and Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you ever think that maybe people think it's a really crappy movie? What's with all this, "oh it's cool to bash the movies." Why would it be cool? People don't generally bash LOTR.

      EP 1,2,3 are really horrible, horrible movies, and I'd say so whether it was "cool" or not.

    13. Re:Fine and Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The inherrent propblem with all the new movies is stylistically, they suck ass. Lucas has forgotten so many of the little things that made the old ones work. Puppets that look real, dialouge that doesn't sound forced, earnest actors, things that look like they should work in real life. Just look at the melenium falcon and and speeder bikes and then look at the ships in Ep 3. Tell me which ones look more like something that would be invented.

      A movie is more than a good story and pretty pictures, it needs to have a feeling of believeability to it. Suspension of belief will only take you so far. It also needs to avoid things that look ungodly out of place.

      Animated movies are easy to lose oneself in because the animation is consistant. But look at the new starwars, it is glaringly obvious which things are real and props and which ones are CG and the CG stands out like a sore thumb.

      As cool as his push for digital tech is, George really needs to get back to using puppets and real characters. Jedi's Jabba is so much more intimidating and repulsive than any of the CG hutts could ever be.

    14. Re:Fine and Good by cens0r · · Score: 1

      I bash LOTR all the time... I hated the first one, didn't think it did justice to the books... turned off the second one half way through and never did see the third.

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    15. Re:Fine and Good by ggvaidya · · Score: 1
      I remembered reading somewhere on Slashdot that the "I know" line was Ford's invention, and with a little googling, I found this:

      During the scene where he is frozen in carbonite in Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980), Carrie Fisher says, "I love you." and Ford was supposed to reply "I love you too." but he suggested changing it to "I know." [1]

      Oh well.
    16. Re:Fine and Good by fm6 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Lucas graduated from film school at USC. Before he became a Visionary Mogul, he actually made one or two decent films, including American Graffiti. I think he has a small problem, and a big one. The small problem is that he hasn't actually done that much writing or directing since he became a VM, so he's out of practice. The big problem is that he is a VM, so nobody is in a position to tell him that his shit smells. Especially when that shit consistently makes a profit.

      Some of that's going on with the big new campus in San Francisco. The dude's in love with digital media, and he's lost interest in the model-making that is still at the heart of most space opera SFX. You won't find a model shop at the new campus: that group remained behind in the industrial park in San Rafael. Now digital media is certainly cool -- but anybody who's seen Sky Captain will tell you that virtual sets are not quite ready for prime time!

    17. Re:Fine and Good by ImaLamer · · Score: 1

      This is all fine and good, but it would sure be nice to spend some of that money on writing classes, or directing semminars.

      No, not really. It's just a movie set, that takes place in the computer. Lucas isn't going to be writing and directing the movies - he's just going to be making them.

      You come up with the script, you take it to Lucas and they show you what they came up with. Now, I've never seen a Harry Potter movie (all of the way through) but that is the type of customer Lucas wants. Potter's sound is done at Abbey Road (!!!) and special effects done at ILM. Since the story was already there - it's perfect. Everyone seems to love these movies, so it works out.

      This, one day, will let you get off of welfare, write a book, and turn it into a set of movies that stand out among its peers and gross more than the books ever could.

  9. Hope it's better than ILM of the past. by sgant · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've talked to several people who have worked at ILM and currently are there. Sweatshop is a word that keeps poping up in the course of conversations. Hopefully this will change or has already changed.

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    1. Re:Hope it's better than ILM of the past. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's not going to change. Lucas spent more money building buildings than he profited on the latest movie(s).

    2. Re:Hope it's better than ILM of the past. by grumling · · Score: 1
      Well, then they can get work somewhere else. Oh, but then they won't be in the Movin' Pictures.

      Waaah.

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    3. Re:Hope it's better than ILM of the past. by sgant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What most do is get the ILM badge under their belt then move on to better places to work, like Pixar or Weta. Which is why ILM can't keep ahold of the good animators anymore cause they treat them like shit. But as I said, this may have changed.

      But I hate this mentality of "well, you can work somewhere else". It's like the idiocy of "be thankful you have a job" nonsense. Why can't it be a nice place to work AND make a profit? Why does it have to be a sweatshop?

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    4. Re:Hope it's better than ILM of the past. by gordo3000 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      easy, it can be a sweatshop because lots of geeks are foolish enough to greatly desire that job. Its just supply and demand. as long as the worker doesn't think of it as exploitation, then it isn't. If he does and sticks with it with when there are definitely other jobs to be had, then he is just an idiot.

      you can work somewhere else, its not nonsense. people like to complain. and hey, those people have all the intangible benefits of saying they worked on The Phantom Menace.

    5. Re:Hope it's better than ILM of the past. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      And why was Hitler such a bad guy? And why do people take drugs? and why can't we all just get along?

      Choice and education are the only things that will make these kinds of things go away. If it is a sweatshop with no benifits then everyone will move on to a better job and the sweatshop will go out of business.

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  10. byte or bit? by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    data network with more than 300 10-gigabyte ports.

    I think that means gigabits. Unless they started rating cards in bytes overnight.

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    1. Re:byte or bit? by TCM · · Score: 1

      And I think it means Gbps. Unless cards wear out after 10 Gigabits. :)

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    2. Re:byte or bit? by Donny+Smith · · Score: 1

      > And I think it means Gbps

      How is that different from the parent who said gigabits?
      Or you aren't quite sure what you're saying here?

      >Unless cards wear out after 10 Gigabits. :)

      ???

    3. Re:byte or bit? by TCM · · Score: 1

      How is that different from the parent who said gigabits?

      One is Gb, the other is Gbps.

      Here, the difference in bold: per second

      HAND

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  11. Fiber Optics? 300 Outlets? 600 Miles? by ImaLamer · · Score: 3, Funny

    now that's Industrial .... Light .... and .... Magic ....

  12. ... on Google Maps? by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is that what this huge dirt place is all about?

    Maybe the pictures were actually captured a while back.

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    1. Re:... on Google Maps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With 600 miles of optic fiber, there's a good chance that it's just one big hologram...

    2. Re:... on Google Maps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still am just a little creeped out that you can see my house in that picture..

      I guess I'll just have to get used to all this computer stuff..

    3. Re:... on Google Maps? by eraserewind · · Score: 2, Funny

      Here's a small hack (neat or not, I'll let you judge Mr AC). Go to Google maps and enter your desired phrase "biggest fool in the world" or somesuch. Of course it doesn't find anything interesting, but it still shows you a map. So manually go to your desired location (I recommend using the map rather than satelite view for this), . Then switch to satelite view and your desired zoom level, and click "link to this page", and you get a nice link to Google Maps - biggest fool in the world to send to your unsuspecting victim.

    4. Re:... on Google Maps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got this one. Close but not quite on the spot.

    5. Re:... on Google Maps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes aparently Google are not big fans of BBC Radio Norfolk.

    6. Re:... on Google Maps? by glazed · · Score: 1

      http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.799803,-122.4494 08&spn=0.007027,0.010664&t=k&hl=en

      I was living there (weird shaped, gray roof buildings just a bit WNW) before they tore down the hospital, around 1999, I left before they even broke ground.

      I don't know what the Presidio is like these days, but when it was first handed over from the military it was a very....interesting place.

  13. Re:Typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Grammatical error, not a typo.

    I'm guessing a child of this will point out irony...

  14. Lucas Secret Bunker by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    "The KS City Star reports George Lucas (of the "It's not about the money" fame) has opened a new headquarters"

    And I have a pretty good idea of it's exact location.

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  15. American POP by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    San Francisco gave him land for the studio in the Presidio, the most sought-after location in SF, which has among the priciest real estate in the country. If I were cutting that deal, I would have required Lucas to wire the entire park, and his IT staff to keep the network running, for every tenant, including public use. Now that would be News for Nerds.

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    1. Re:American POP by MushMouth · · Score: 4, Informative

      A) San Francisco doesn't own the Presidio, the Federal government does. B) He leases the land, and it ain't free. C) The presidio has tons of empty office space and buildings they have been trying to lease for years. D) SF currently has historically high amounts of vacant office space, in many ways the Presidio Trust got very lucky that they struck the deal with Lucas when they did, at the height of the Dot Com Bubble.

    2. Re:American POP by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Informative

      SF doesn't own the land, but of course they control it - like any other city, with zoning, incentives and other political checks. That space is vacant because SF is very selective, reserving it for long-term strategic anchor tenants like Lucas. SF certainly was lucky that Lucas decided to expand his studio across the Golden Gate Bridge into the Presidio, rather than LA, or New Zealand or someplace else even cheaper. But Lucas is also lucky SF let him into that exclusive property. There are several Lucases, and only one Presidio, especially in Lucas' front yard.

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    3. Re:American POP by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I remember that Lucas drove a hard bargain, and got a really good deal from San Francisco. The deal was pretty controversial, but most people seem happy with with the deal today.

      There was a big competition between several Bay Area cities (and Marin County) to get Lucas to move to their Area. Each City made sweet offers-- cheap rent, pay for some of the upgrades, give Lucas alot of freedom to do what he wanted, etc.

      I think SF actually did ask Lucas to help wire parts of the Presidio, but he said no-- and threatened to close the other studio in San Francisco and move to another are altogether.

      SF was looking for a large business to redevelop the abandoned land and boost the economy in the area. They actually had trouble getting bids for that particular site for a variety of reasons.

      The site where the studio now stands was occupied by Letterman Hospital: a big abandoned, ugly asbestos-filled hospital which wasn't up to earthquake standards, and a large unused parking lot.

      I was born in Letterman Hospital, and worked next door to the site for 3 years-- we ran the only T-1 into the Presidio for several years.

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    4. Re:American POP by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      If SF were smart (of course it is, but I mean smart on behalf of all San Franciscans), it would have a chance to renegotiate the lease. Then we'd see how Lucas deals with the cost of moving his entire studio from its priceless location on the Golden Gate.

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    5. Re:American POP by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 1

      The land is controlled by the Presido Trust, not the City and County of San Francisco. San Francisco would not allow President Bush to appoint policy makers.

      I think if were up to the locals, there would be no private development in the Presidio. This unusual arrangement for a National Park was the result of a comprimise devised by the Republican Congress who disliked such glorious pork in a Democratic stronghold.

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    6. Re:American POP by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 1

      Unfortuanately the feds (not SF) gave LucasFilm a 90 year lease, and they have the right to sublet the land for profit.

      I cite the Bay Guardian with caution, but I think this outlines how little SF gains from this deal:
      http://www.sfbg.com/News/33/44/presidio.html

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    7. Re:American POP by Fletch · · Score: 1
      B) He leases the land, and it ain't free.

      In fact, the rent will make up a good chunk of the budget for the Presidio. From an article in today's chronicle:
      The Lucas campus is crucial to the operation because the [Presidio] trust is relying on $5.6 million in annual rent to help shoulder the park's costs. Income from Lucas will account for about 17 percent of the Presidio's budget.
    8. Re:American POP by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Pork is when tax money from outside a constituency is spent inside a constituency without merit, other than the horsetrading skills of the politician. There is a great deal of merit in the international organizations installed in the Presidio, not least of which is their attraction of money from outside SF into the city. And their contributions to rehabilitating the park from an unusable military relic, including their rent. The military relic, incidentally, was the pork in SF for 300 years.

      Now, if you have some references that illustrate how the Presidio plan was "devised by the Republican Congress", I'll be happy to learn about that. Otherwise, I'll consider it part of the peace dividend earned by Americans who put up with a lot of expensive BS, including trillions in pork, for half a century until we won the Cold War. And I'll have to live with my notions of why the most valuable real estate in America is in "Democatic strongholds", instead of the kinds of places controlled by Republicans.

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    9. Re:American POP by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      "Under the legislation that established the Presidio National Park, Lucas will pay no local taxes, no property tax, no real estate transfer tax, no school taxes, no affordable-housing fees, and no fees for transit, open space, or public art."

      SF had to agree to those terms. Or its sponsor, Pelosi, would have trashed her relationship with the city, which she represents in Congress. And the city would have found other ways to fight the project, including Federal lawsuits to collect those taxes and fees. Which is why I said that a smart deal in SF's interest, cut by its city leaders, would have gotten more for the city. Which we evidently agree it didn't.

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    10. Re:American POP by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 1

      I agree that Presidio National Park is a great thing, and has been planned as a matter of law since the 1970s.

      But the fact is that, contrary to Base Closing and National Park policy, the Gingrich Congress refused to fund the necessary reconstruction and preservation. Regardless of how you define pork, what matters is how they define it. (Even though the park is much cheaper to operate than the military base was.)

      Pelosi and Feinstein (who's home overlooks the park) cut a deal where the park would be funded by commercial development. Pelosi (who wins 90% of the vote) sold this comprimise to local constituents by spinning it as a defeat of the evil GOP. Politically, it was win-win-win: San Franciscans got most of their park, the political machine's development and booster buddies got a piece, and GOPers in middle America got a nice place to visit. What got screwed in the process was local property taxes and the public's right not to have their property given away to George Lucas.

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    11. Re:American POP by glazed · · Score: 1

      A) The military gave the base to the park service, which is great with trees but they don't know shit about buildings. The Presidio Trust was created to manage the buildings and the NPS is responsible for a good chunk of the shoreline and the nature-ish areas.

      B) It's a LONG term lease, the Trust has to become financially self sufficient or it all goes to the GSA.

      C) The Presidio Trust is working like mad to get the buildings ready to lease for both commercial and residential use. The problem is that many of the buildings are VERY historic (the base dates back to 1776 w/ the Spanish, Mexicans and eventually the US)

      Refurbishing a bunch of buildings that were left to rot by the military, then add all sorts of environmental cleanup hazards they left behind and you've got a HELL of a lot of work to do before you can lease it.

      Talk to some of the guys who were working on the Chrissy Field restoration, how would you like to be the guy working that backhoe and not tearing up fiber but instead dredging up WW2 era battleship ammunition. This was a pretty common occurence too. There's also the missle silos on the south side, but I think they've been torn out already. They're pretty hard to find nonetheless.

      D) Vacant office space is one thing in the rest of SF, but space in the Presidio has an exclusivity to it. I used to love telling people in the Marina district how I lived in the Presidio, rent-free. I didn't mention the bit about how I was an intern.

    12. Re:American POP by glazed · · Score: 1

      It would cost more to operate the Presidio as an urban park than Yellowstone and Yosemite combined. I think it was a better solution than having it carved up and sold off by the GSA.

    13. Re:American POP by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Rereading my post, I can tell my sense is not clear. I mean to say that I'm sure that SF agreed to those terms, because it was in a position not to. So the 90y lease, without full benefit to the city (deficit, in fact), was a bad deal. Exactly the kind that I'd expect Willie Brown to pull, while wearing his Ed Koch hat around SF.

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    14. Re:American POP by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 1

      True, it is expensive to run, but as pointed out below, Lucas only contributes a small % of the operating budget. Plus, the land was carved out and sold to Lucas, more or less.

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  16. i'm thinking about moving... by ghee22 · · Score: 3, Funny

    should i post this on slashdot as well?

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    1. Re:i'm thinking about moving... by AutopsyReport · · Score: 0

      If you mention that you have to move gigabytes of furniture in your move, then I'm sure it will be noted here...

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  17. I don't think I like the tone of this post.... by cryptocom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The paragraph submitted above for this article makes it seem like Lucas is hoarding all his money and somehow going against a cardinal rule of not making money. For one thing, non profit artists may seem romantic and all, but in truth we all want to get paid...and if what we do is make movies that cost millions of dollars, you better believe we want to get paid millions of dollars or more. Secondly, it's not like he's spending all his money on Bugatti's and trips to Bali...he's invested a large chunk into a creative complex where artists and movie-goers can benefit from his fortune. I'd say that's pretty damn cool.

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    1. Re:I don't think I like the tone of this post.... by sneakers563 · · Score: 1

      Sure, but the irony is that he's spending millions on this new studio at the same time he's trying to shed his techno-geek image and show himself as a guy who just wants to make small art films, like Indiana Jones IV.

    2. Re:I don't think I like the tone of this post.... by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Informative

      He didn't necessarily mean IJ 4 is small art, what I find more likely is that he said he wish to do a final IJ movie, then smaller film projects. This is the kind of ambiguous quote anyway:

      But Lucas said he'll likely keep away from the center and instead focus on developing a final "Indiana Jones" film and smaller film projects.

      He has earlier said he nowadays do movies for himself, something I find easy to believe considering his wealth. He could live a happy rich life at his age if he wished to.

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    3. Re:I don't think I like the tone of this post.... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

      Well, guess what? Lucas has actually said "It's not about the money" in an interview.

      Why? Because he crassly commercializes his films, but resented the accusation that he's only in it for the money. The thing is... he cashes in every single chance he gets.

      It's not just about making art or making entertaining movies for him, it's about doing that, and then cashing in on it to maximum effect. Which is not a problem at all, except it can and does detract from the merit of the films and ultimately undermines the very value of the property he relentlessly markets... so naturally, he goes and denies it, as if it's something to be ashamed of.

      He's kindof a legend in Hollywood for basically inventing the modern model for film merchandising. Before Star Wars, there was some of that, but Lucas took it to a whole new level. Now, lunchboxes, action figures, fast food promotions, clothing, costumes, etc. are all more or less a standard part of any film production.

      It's not enough to amaze you in the cinema, to really make an impression they have to blitz the entire culture and plaster every surface of it with the film's logo.

      As John Candy said in Spaceballs: "We're not doin' it for the money! We're doing it for a shitload of money!"

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  18. ALL HAIL LUCAS by Magnus2015 · · Score: 1

    And if they ever come to take our Shrine to Father Lucas, followers are instructed to make their way to the primary food dispensing bay, where they will be given a special drink taken from the campus vaporators. The effects would be nearly instantaneous.

    It is our hopes that our shining example would encourage Jedi everywhere.

    1. Re:ALL HAIL LUCAS by mbrewthx · · Score: 1

      I think you mispelled Steve Jobs

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  19. Why the KC Star, the place is in San Francisco by MushMouth · · Score: 3, Informative

    And we have a pretty big news rag in SF.

    1. Re:Why the KC Star, the place is in San Francisco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it's in a galaxy far, far away?

    2. Re:Why the KC Star, the place is in San Francisco by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      No f***ing shit; and for the record, the summary referring to the KS City Star are a travesty!

  20. not to be a dick or anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    those of us who live in Kansas City and I suppose anyone who lives in Missouri as well call it the KC Star.

  21. Did you see! by alewar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thanks to all of you who download pirated-copies of movies and games from the net, L&M had to move to another studio...
    I knew this was going to happen, they are losing BILLIONS because of YOU.

    1. Re:Did you see! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, that's right, Lucas LOST so much cash, he could barely afford to build a new state-of-the-art design campus! You darn pir8s! He coulda built two if it wasn't for your dirty thievery!

      Give me break you chump.

    2. Re:Did you see! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using sarcasm, the parent post was. Failed it, you have.

  22. Indiana Jones! by calvincopter · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Lucas said he'll likely keep away from the center and instead focus on developing a final "Indiana Jones" film and smaller film projects. it'll be titled, Indiana Jones and The Wrath of George Lucas!

  23. Breaking news by AutopsyReport · · Score: 0
    This just in: bomb shelter is new headquarters for SCO.

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  24. Rich Man, Poor man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot economic rules:

    IF you're making money THEN you're making too much. Here let me reduce that for you.

    IF I'm making money THEN you all can't have any pffft!

  25. New studio... by ImaLamer · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...IT'S A TRAP!

    1. Re:New studio... by Bri3D · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I find your lack of faith...disturbing...

    2. Re:New studio... by eraserewind · · Score: 1

      The above might be many things, but "offtopic"?

  26. Ummm... by artemis67 · · Score: 2, Funny

    one thing that can't be said about George is that he does thing half-assed

    Like, dood, where have you been for the last six years?

  27. Please stop with the reverse psychology crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    And just watch the modders hit me on the head

    You ought to get modded down just for pulling this reverse psychology bullshit. It's kinda insulting to us. Here's a radical notion: why don't you post your feelings and let the moderators decide whether to mod you up or down and you refrain from making predictions/comments about the process?

    1. Re:Please stop with the reverse psychology crap by Sairret · · Score: 1

      This might mean something if it wasn't posted AC...

  28. Can't we check the submissions? by jimi+the+hippie · · Score: 0, Redundant

    It's not the KS City Star. It is the Kansas City Star. KS is an abbreviation for the state of Kansas, Kansas City (and the Star) are in Missouri, and should therefore not be using the abbreviation.

    1. Re:Can't we check the submissions? by typobox43 · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but it's an AP wire story, not an article by the Kansas City Star.

    2. Re:Can't we check the submissions? by jimi+the+hippie · · Score: 0, Redundant

      How the hell is this post possibly modded redundant??

    3. Re:Can't we check the submissions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to be picky... but Kansas City actually straddles both Kansas -and- Missouri. The KC Star covers news from both KC KS and KC MO. So, while you're right about the name of the paper being wrong, your only half-right in the rest of your argument.

  29. OVERKILL: Great Movie != Great Animation by reporter · · Score: 1, Interesting
    ("Star Wars" must be the #1 movie saga of geeks because, during the last 5 weeks surrounding the debut of "Star Wars III", Slashdot has featured at least 1 "Star Wars"-related topic per week. )

    Lucas and his crew have already done a great job with animation. He spurred the growth of an entire industry that generates computer images: special effects, animation, etc. We have already reached a point where we can economically fill an entire movie with head-turning animation. Consider "Shrek II" and the latest episode of "Star Wars" (SW).

    Yet, such a feat does not necessarily translate into a great movie. Consider SW I & II.

    SW IV had limited special effects and no animated characters, due to the limits of economical computer-image generation, yet SW IV is far superior in the pace (adequately slow) and the depth of its plot, compared to SW I. The limited computer-image generation forced the writer and the director to focus on the story.

    SW I and II are precisely what can go wrong when computer-image generation overwhelms the story. Did you ever notice how, in SW I and II, Yoda's interaction in a 3-way conversation (i.e. with 2 human actors) is awkward and weird? Yoda does not enter and exit a conversation with the same naturalness that a human being (i.e. not computer-generated image) would. His facial expressions are also unnatural. The human actors cannot produce the right facial expressions when they are looking in his direction. When the human actor do look in his direction, they do not seem to be looking straight at him.

    Of course, the wonderful "Shrek" saga is an exception to my thesis.

  30. Re:Typo - Ask the Angry Grammarian :P by Cross-Threaded · · Score: 1
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  31. Movies for Children and Adults by Ride-My-Rocket · · Score: 1

    Movies dont have to be divided into "for children" and "for adult" categories. Countless movies have been made that have appealed to both.

    The most successful example of which is the Lord of the Rings series. A good movie appeals to its target market; an epic movie appeals to a broad swath of people that defies a single demographic.

  32. Re:OVERKILL: Great Movie != Great Animation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Did you ever notice how, in SW I and II, Yoda's interaction in a 3-way conversation (i.e. with 2 human actors) is awkward and weird? Yoda does not enter and exit a conversation with the same naturalness that a human being (i.e. not computer-generated image) would.

    Did you notice that in EP1, Yoda is a puppet and not a CGI character (save for about 2 seconds at the end)?

  33. Then they should quit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not like they're curing cancer. They're in entertainment, a luxury business. This is a free country, they're quite free to go pick up work anywhere else. McDonalds is always hiring.

  34. Sweat on your own time by Urusai · · Score: 1

    You should be working, not perspiring! If you don't like it, you can go work for Pixar. Um...I mean, you can go work for Don Bluth, yeah.

  35. Animation studio edifice complex by Animats · · Score: 1
    Lucas had to catch up. Disney built a complex in Burbank in the 1990s with columns modelled after the Seven Dwarfs and other theme-park features. (This was followed by a layoff, a pay cut, and the closure of Disney Animation in Orlando.) Pixar has a modern building in Marin with a really big atrium. Dreamworks/PDI moved into a huge glass and steel complex at the edge of the Bay in Redwood City originally built for Excite@Home.

    Lucasfilm/ILM had some boring industrial buildings in San Raphael. So this is just catchup.

    1. Re:Animation studio edifice complex by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      You left out ION Storm, with its megamodern cubicle layout with retractable roof so the geeks actually GET some sun.

      Oh, wait...

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  36. High res images by Jarlsberg · · Score: 1
    Fiber-optics cables are connected to every artist desktop, allowing high-resolution images on each computer.

    This doesn't seem like a logical connection to make. :)

    Obviously, it's for fast transfer of high-res images between workstations, but hey, I could be wrong. They *could* have fiber-optic cables for the pure intent of having high-res images on the desktop, but it doesn't seem very likely ;P.

    1. Re:High res images by the_weasel · · Score: 1

      Makes perfect sense. Most times the definitive frames for a shot are stored on a remote server. Most production pipelines involve creating local low resolution proxies to work with - to avoid placing too much strain on the main fileserver, and to prevent saturation of the network.

      The bigger your pipe, the fewer proxies you need, the larger the frames you can get from the server, and the less complexity in your pipeline over all.

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    2. Re:High res images by Jarlsberg · · Score: 1

      Yes I know, but the blurb merely said it provided fast network speed for high res pics on the desktop. Nothing about decentralized storage or the *use* of the hookup. :)

  37. Nice, but... by suitepotato · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure what the point of gigabit Ethernet is through a bus than can never pump a gigabit across it. Like putting a Fast Token Ring card on an ISA bus, what is the point if that bandwidth can never be approached by the system interface?

    Other than that, the rest of the notice is of little interest as I had my fill of Lucas years ago. He should have done more work after RotJ, but instead faded into the background with ILM. Other studios instead produced the big glitzy works while we waited like idiots for the imagined sequence of wonderful sequels to the first SW movies.

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    1. Re:Nice, but... by marc252 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The point is that is easy to get a new computer every 3 years but it's quite difficult to wire a hole building every 3 years.

  38. Lucas's next film location? by scupper · · Score: 1

    Maybe Jorge will be filming his next blockbuster next door at the Public Health Service Hospital (1) (2)

  39. Re: And the photos are a most see: by zapatero · · Score: 1

    Joan Baez, Chris Isaac, Bonnie Rait performed... See George with the cast of Beach Blanket Babylon...

    Photo Galery

  40. Did you mean ... by ggvaidya · · Score: 2, Funny
  41. artists and movie-goers can benefit? by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 1

    Artists benefit? It's a commercial complex. It's for making money. This isn't an art enclave any more than Nickelodeon Studios is. This complex is for making art which can be replicated and sold to earn him even more money.

    Movie-goers benefit? So he can make Star Wars 3.5? Or remake them all in stupid 3D?

    Lucas made a lot of money off his films and effects studios. He used it as hw saw fit, which was to make a place where he can more effectively more money.

    That's all fine. It's his money. But pardon me if I don't get all sappy over it.

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  42. Re:OVERKILL: Great Movie != Great Animation by eboot · · Score: 1

    And Golem? I thought he interacted pretty well. Or did they cheat by having a real actor there? If thats whats required to get a good effect Lucas should've stuck with the puppet and CGI'd over it.

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  43. The Good News by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Good News is that he didn't open this in Bangalore, India.

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  44. Re:So not only did he rape our collective childhoo by Phragmen-Lindelof · · Score: 1

    The campus includes a data network with more than 300 10-gigabyte ports. Fiber-optics cables are connected to every artist desktop, allowing high-resolution images on each computer. In all, there are 600 miles of cable throughout the campus's four buildings.
    Just imagine the multiplayer games one could host. :-)

  45. Re:OVERKILL: Great Movie != Great Animation by Tim+Browse · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Of course, the wonderful "Shrek" saga is an exception to my thesis.

    Really? I liked Ep III, whereas I found Shrek to be dull, predictable, clichéd and poorly animated*.

    I remember last xmas Shrek was on TV and it bugged the hell out of me. Then a couple of hours later I watched the DVD of Monsters, Inc. that my sister got for xmas. Talk about chalk and cheese. Monsters, Inc. made me think "Yes, I wasn't imagining it, Shrek is poor."

    Why it's so successful, I'm not entirely sure. Probably that darn donkey.

    (* This is a reletive term - I mean poorly animated considering the praise it received)

  46. The view from a neighbor... by cameronk · · Score: 1

    I live in the Presidio, several blocks away from the LucasFilm complex. For one, I am very happy to have this new company move into the park. Although it will mean additional traffic and parking problems, I have found the Presidio to be too quiet. We might even have more decent restaurants and nightlife in the park now.
    The development is contraversial because it is located on Federal Propoperty in a National Park. This means that it did not have to go through the byzantine zoning politics that prevent almost all large scale development in San Francisco. Among other things, this meant a high voltage power line brought through a residential neighborhood without the usuall dialogue.
    My only qualm is that the Presidio Trust signed a lease with Lucas focusing on the movie studio with a little extra office space and the finished product will reflect office space with a smaller movie studio attached.
    At the end of the day, the facility my father calls, "LucasLand" will mean more opportunities for the arts in San Francisco, a beautiful new office complex, a more vibrant Presidio and a positive change for our local culture. I'm excited to live here.

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  47. Go for a job interview, get a bit of a tour by eric76 · · Score: 1

    I've always thought it would be fun to go on job interviews to some places just to get a chance to look around. It's not like you'd actually take a job if offered. And, then again, you might.

    This would easily fit within that category.

  48. Not just rendering by Namarrgon · · Score: 2, Insightful
    3D rendering involves a LOT more than just output, as someone else pointed out. And digitally post-producing movies requires a LOT more than just 3D renders.

    There's all the live footage elements to consider - potentially dozens of layers for every final frame - each of which must be stored, converted, colour-graded, maybe stabilised, grain-matched, composited and edited.

    What's more, any CG in the movie would be rendered as multiple separate 3D layers, not just a single frame, and all those layers also have to be colour- and grain-matched, unstabilised and composited with the live elements.

    I've worked on a scene that required over 40 live and 450 CG layers for each frame of the shot - and each of those layers ranged from 40-80 MB (the shot was around 300 frames). That's around 20 GB per frame of pixels alone, not counting textures, CG geometry etc. And this data was used and re-used repeatedly as the shot evolved over the course of months.

    A 10 gbps pipe to each workstation would really have helped, believe me :-)

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  49. Re:OVERKILL: Great Movie != Great Animation by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1
    Or did they cheat by having a real actor there?
    They had a real actor there, but I would hardly call it "cheat"ing.
    Rather, I would call it good movie-making, in that it gave the other actors someone to interact with.
    In addition, the animators made extensive use of the actor's facial expressions, body language, etc., in the animation, resulting in a superior product.
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  50. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now he can make whole fucking ARMIES of jar-jar binksiesssss..

  51. Just be lucky you have a job! by RamblerRandy · · Score: 1

    As I don't one. I've been an unemployed Geek for years and am still suffering and hoping someday employers won't hate us / fire us for being different. Now that Star Wars has left Marin County I can now say that Star Trek is superior as there "is no Star Wars" in Marin County anymore!!!! Yea!

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