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iTunes 4.9 With Podcasting Support

eakthecat writes "Hot on the heels of the 4.8 release, Apple has released the next version of its popular iTunes jukebox software. Version 4.9 incorporates several new features, most notable of which is podcasting. The front page and iTunes webpages have not been updated yet, but you can get your greedy little hands on it or through the new podcasting link in the music store! !"

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  1. What IS podcasting? by Caspian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm sure I'm going to be asked to turn in my "geek card", but just what the hell IS "podcasting" anyhow? (n.b.: I do not own an iPod, nor do I own a clone thereof)

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    1. Re:What IS podcasting? by djkoolaide · · Score: 5, Informative
    2. Re:What IS podcasting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Podcasting is an audio distribution system based on RSS with enclosures. This allows anyone to setup their own audio show and easily distribute it to subscribers. One of the pioneers of Podcasting is Adam Curry http://www.curry.com/

    3. Re:What IS podcasting? by mrch0mp3rs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Long story short: A podcast is an audio blog.

      The iTunes support for podcasting means that now iTunes will act as your audio blog aggregator/player.

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    4. Re:What IS podcasting? by pizen · · Score: 4, Funny

      We need line-item modding.

    5. Re:What IS podcasting? by kalel666 · · Score: 4, Funny

      A "podcast" is a downloadable audio file of some whiny kid who thinks he's an authority on something and has a delusional idea that people care what he has to say--in audio form.

      So its like Slashdot, but in stereo?

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    6. Re:What IS podcasting? by tepples · · Score: 2, Funny
    7. Re:What IS podcasting? by Jubii · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A better question is, "why should I care?" I understand that you visit people's sites, download their rants and listen to them on the go... but I still don't "get" it. Why is this useful to me? I see so many geeks excited about this, and I feel I must have missed out on something. Does this appeal to the whole blogger group... who enjoy hearing about a complete stranger's day, or listening to them voice their opinion? Because that's what podcasting seems like to me... again, I wonder if I'm missing something. If it was news or other information, I could see the usefulness, but podcasting seems like a fancy soapbox for people.

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    8. Re:What IS podcasting? by hacker · · Score: 2, Insightful
      A "podcast" is a downloadable audio file of some whiny kid who thinks he's an authority on something and has a delusional idea that people care what he has to say--in audio form.

      In other words, the audio (and sometimes video) video equivalent of a blog. Nothing more.

    9. Re:What IS podcasting? by SFEley · · Score: 5, Informative
      If it was news or other information, I could see the usefulness, but podcasting seems like a fancy soapbox for people.

      Some of it is news. Some of it's music. Some of it's audiobooks. And yeah, some of it's just personal life and ranting. But don't limit your perspective to just those. It's basically whatever you want.

      My own podcast narrates science fiction short stories. We also do some reviews and commentary, but I've made a solemn promise on it never, ever to simply tell you about my day.

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    10. Re:What IS podcasting? by generic-man · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I bought an iPod specifically so I wouldn't have to listen to people blathering wherever I go. I guess Podcasting isn't for me then. Even the music Podcasts have irritating DJs introducing everything, but at least I can fast forward through them.

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    11. Re:What IS podcasting? by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A better question is, "why should I care?"

      I'll tell you why I care: after having a tivo for years now, I like my entertainment time shifted. The few things I listen to on the radio are mostly NPR broadcasts, and mostly on an inconvenient times for me. So I get the podcast versions of those. Done.

      I don't listen to lame ass rants made by some kid in his mom's basement, and I'm guessing that few adults do. Podcasting has been going on a lot longer than you think. Take for example Audible. They've been doing it since way before it was trendy, and I've been downloading (and in the earlier days paying for) NPR content from them. Simply because it's convenient for me.

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    12. Re:What IS podcasting? by jav1231 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Okay. If podcasting exists then it stands to reason that it already had such support. Isn't it just downloading someone's audio and playing it? Is iTunes merely adding "sites" to iTunes that you can goto and GET audio like this?

    13. Re:What IS podcasting? by sixteenraisins · · Score: 2, Informative

      If podcasting exists then it stands to reason that it already had such support.

      It was enabled by third-party software. Check out this site for links for some software and the podcasting feeds.

      Isn't it just downloading someone's audio and playing it?

      Yes, but it's also more than that. The podcast's website typically is set up with an RSS-type feed (coded in XML, I believe) which your podcasting-enabled software automatically checks each day or so, downloads the new and/or updated content, transfers it to iTunes, and then to your iPod. The third-party software does all this for you, once you "subscribe" to a podcasting site. This way you don't have to manually download a podcast, it's done for you, usually in the background.

      I haven't downloaded or tried the new iTunes, but I imagine that Apple is building this feature into iTunes so that users won't have to download and run the third-party apps to accomplish all this.

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    14. Re:What IS podcasting? by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      More importantly some of the major broadcasters are supporting it. There is one reason why I want to update iTunes to the one that supports Podcasting and that is In Our Time. A wonderful programme on BBC Radio 4.

    15. Re:What IS podcasting? by vitamine73 · · Score: 2, Informative


      Podcasts of news (and other) shows are also offered by public radio stations such as the BBC, CBC and SRC.

    16. Re:What IS podcasting? by Skynyrd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I bought an iPod specifically so I wouldn't have to listen to people blathering wherever I go. I guess Podcasting isn't for me then. Even the music Podcasts have irritating DJs introducing everything, but at least I can fast forward through them.

      You get more than whiney blogs. Many news outlets podcast their shows.

      Really want to hear "The Treatment" on KCRW? or "Classic Rockstar Interviews" on Q104.3?
      Simply subscribe to them.

      Personally, I'd love to get NPR's Marketplace. Sadly, I'm at work when it's braodcast and can't tune it in.

    17. Re:What IS podcasting? by SavoWood · · Score: 2, Informative

      I know I'm picking nits here, but technically, Marketplace is not an NPR product. It's American Public Media (and used to be Minnesota Public Radio IIRC) and is distributed by Public Radio International.

      True, almost all the outlets for it are considered "NPR stations". However, it's not really accurate to call it that.

      If you want to hear Marketplace without using iTunes, you can get the streams from their site:

      http://www.marketplace.org/

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    18. Re:What IS podcasting? by Zhe+Mappel · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If you disentangle people from the teat of majority culture, interesting possibilities arise.

      Podcasting can do that.

      In its small way--like blogging and posting--podcasting is helping to unplug people from the central switchboard of corporate media.

      No, it's not as if this is the Enlightenment, and you have a lot of Voltaires running about beaming great thoughts into mp3 files, and suddenly we'll throw off the tentacular church and state. Someone blabbing about his day through your expensive tiny white headphones does not a revolution make.

      Doesn't matter. American society is like Terry Schiavo: if you want excitement and growth, brother, you've come to the wrong vegetable. That's why anything outside of the grey, soggy, monolithic blob that constitutes our majority media is welcome at this stage--just to show people that they don't need Big Daddy Fox or Mommy MSNBC.

      Podcasting removes these baleful arbiters. It shortcircuits the money power's monopoly on the conversation. It says, "Who the fuck needs a doorknob like Brit Hume, anyway?"

      The early signs are promising. With each download, podcasting happily extends the trend of declining audiences for corporate media. And that is a Good Thing. The less the great obedient horde lines up for more orders, the better.

  2. "Mac-dotted" by amichalo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The iTunes Music Store has "Mac-dotted" themselves. After getting 49, I tried to download some podcasts but the store that can serve up hundreds of millions of tracks is a bit overwhelmed right now. Try again later.

    In other news, Apple also modified its iPod line by removing the iPod Photo as a unique line:

    20GB COLOR iPod $299
    60GB color iPod $399
    1GB Shuffle $129

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    1. Re:"Mac-dotted" by the_unknown_soldier · · Score: 5, Informative

      The podcasts are held on the server of whoever makes them. Slowness of teh podcasts is most likely due to the fact that Curry/Madge can't handle the bandwidth hit.

    2. Re:"Mac-dotted" by FidelCatsro · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In the Euro market the Ipod 20GB colour costs 299 euros or 361 dollars.
      All the Euro prices are identical to the dollar prices (which is very annoying considering the dollars value right now) except for the 1GB shuffle which is 139.

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    3. Re:"Mac-dotted" by zulux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All the Euro prices are identical to the dollar prices

      The cost of doing business is *much* higher in western Europe than in the States. Hence, the higher prices - so that companies can attempt to recoup the taxes they must pay. It's not just Apple: Phillips, BMW, Mercedes and Virgin's products are more expensive in Europe - even if they are European companies.

      You didn't think that all those social services were free did you?

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    4. Re:"Mac-dotted" by Seanasy · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you look at Curry's blog it mentions that Apple is supposed to be distributing the podcasts they index on Akamai. They just haven't gotten that going yet.

    5. Re:"Mac-dotted" by mrqcho · · Score: 3, Funny

      The iPod shuffle went COLOR too, you just can't see it yet.

    6. Re:"Mac-dotted" by killjoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What an odd post.

      Are you advocating that the poor in america should live like the poor in the middle ages?

      America claims to be the land of the christians. If everybody in america who claims to be a christian actually acted like a christian then there would be no poor in america.

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  3. Annoying installer by kevmo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is anyone else annoyed that their is no real Windows "updater" for iTunes, and each update basically requires iTunes to reinstall, sometimes clobbering my settings that tell Quicktime to stop bothering me?

    I really wish that if Apple releases software for Windows that they actually put the work necessary into it to make it a good product. (Don't get me wrong, I still like iTunes, it just seems very unpolished in Windows).

    1. Re:Annoying installer by chota · · Score: 4, Informative

      Hmm... I've never had the problems you've described, maybe you're using the iTunes + Quicktime combined installer instead of the iTunes-only one? In any case, when the "Register Quicktime" box comes up next time, set your clock forward about 4 years, click "Not Now" and then set your clock back to the real time. No more annoying pop-up. :)

      (Don't get me wrong, I still like iTunes, it just seems very unpolished in Windows).

      I think that may be by design, to get you to "switch".

      Also, it's now available on the website: Download iTunes 4.9.

    2. Re:Annoying installer by kevmo · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think that may be by design, to get you to "switch".

      It's going to take more than a rough-around-the-edges music player to get me to switch to Apple hardware. Specifically, it would take about a $500-$1000 price drop as well as more software companies releasing games with support for Mac OS X (Battlefield 2 anyone?)

    3. Re:Annoying installer by daviddennis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A Mac Mini is $499, so does this mean you wouldn't switch unless Apple paid you for it?

      (I know it's not $499 because of the extras you have to buy, but I'm betting you have a keyboard, mouse and monitor lying around).

      D

    4. Re:Annoying installer by peterjhill2002 · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you drop the price of the Mac Mini $500, you get a free computer... Sure it needs more ram, but as an owner, it is a nice little machine...

      Lower the price of a 12inch powerbook $1000 and you have a free laptop...

      Are you a student? They have nice student discounts that are super easy to get.

    5. Re:Annoying installer by caino59 · · Score: 2, Funny

      *cough*

      apt-get ;o)

    6. Re:Annoying installer by daviddennis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I used a PowerBook G4 1ghz as my primary machine for about a year and it worked great for everything I wanted to do, including compilation and video editing. That's a significantly slower machine than the Mac Mini.

      Compiling programs works fine in the background of any modern Mac. It's been years since compiling software was a truly taxing task for a modern computer. I remember well when it took 15 minutes to compile and link my Unix-based BBS software on a 286. Thank goodness those days are long gone!

      On games, though, you win. I don't like games, so it doesn't bother me, but I understand that's a problem for many. Hopefully the new Macs on Intel will change that. If Steve's really smart, he'll add some version of the DirectX API to the MacOS, since this seems to be the top objection of people considering the switch.

      I suspect he's like me, hates the violence in video games and doesn't want to support it. But who knows? Maybe he's just arrogant and doesn't want to use other people's standards.

      D

    7. Re:Annoying installer by porcupine8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Honestly, if I were a PC gamer, I'd treat it as another console. I'd have a PC for gaming, and a Mac for doing everything else. Because PCs do games better, and OS X does just about everything else better - the right tool for the job. If your current PC is still running fine, there's no reason to toss it if you get a Mac Mini - keep it around for gaming.

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    8. Re:Annoying installer by psalm33 · · Score: 2, Informative
      It's going to take more than a rough-around-the-edges music player to get me to switch to Apple hardware. Specifically, it would take about a $500-$1000 price drop as well as more software companies releasing games with support for Mac OS X (Battlefield 2 anyone?)
      Mac mini: $499
      eMac: $799
      iBook: $999

      Wow! You want Apple to pay you for buying their computers! That would be awesome!

    9. Re:Annoying installer by systemic+chaos · · Score: 2, Funny

      The PC - another gaming console?

      In that case it shouldn't be long before somebody gets Linux running on it.

    10. Re:Annoying installer by DigitalVolume · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Okay, I don't get this. Everytime I hear someone saying 'I would buy Apple' there's always a 'but' inserted in there.

      First it's that you're used to Windows. Now that OS X makes it pretty, and makes things that used to be hard for a Mac to do compared to Windows (SMB nwtworking, and others), that argument has been largely dropped. Add in lack of spyware and virus' at the moment and you have a winner.

      Then it was petty excuses like a multi-button mouse, when you can buy one for like $20 to $30 easy for a decent multi button mouse. That one subsided.

      Then it's on to games. If you love games that freaking much buy a console (Xbox, GameCube, PS2). Not happy with that solution, buy a Mac and keep your PC. What's stopping you from taking on both platforms at once? If all you do is game with your computer, perhaps you should look at finding something more productive to do with your time. Pick a low impact sport and get in shape. Maybe a martial-art, since most dojo's now don't allow contact between the students because martial-arts are becoming so sport oriented and moving away from the arts of war. Games are good, but maybe you should re-evaluate your priorities.

      There was the complaint about price as well. Apple dumped this complaint into a hole when they released the Mac mini in January for $499. Is it less powerful than you would like, probably. However, so is any Dell, HP, Lenovo/IBM, knockoff or homebrew you could build for that price. Face it, there will always be bigger better faster machines out there and you'll need to get on right away, because you just have to have it.

      If you think you like something and want to try it out. TRY IT OUT! WHat are you waiting for? Making excuses? You'll never know which is better for you until you try it. Don't like it, sell it off to someone else who wants to try it.

      Please explain to me exactly how this works.

      I can't help but feel that anyone making excuses now, is going to be making excuses the entire way along, and that they'll never buy what they say they will when the time comes. Perpetual complainers are the bane of my existance.

      [Mod me down if you like, my opinion is that of my own, we all have those idiots in our offices that complain that they would do this or do that if the process was easier, when in truth all they want is for everything to stay the same]

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  4. What's with the dept line...? by chota · · Score: 5, Insightful
    from the waste-of-bandwidth-and-time dept.

    Ouch!

    Can someone explain why this is a waste of bandwidth and time? Wouldn't a major company with a massive userbase supporting podcasting actually help the genre?

    Also, since (presumably) Rob hasn't actually *tried* the software, isn't judging it a little harsh?

  5. Podcasting mainstream? by grqb · · Score: 3, Insightful
    We'll see if this makes podcasting more mainstream. From what I've heard apple seems to be fairly committed to podcast support in iTunes, they've been consulting with some of the podcasting community so they obviously feel that podcasting is on the up-and-up.

    They must envision an economic model for podcasting one day, similar to their iTunes store I'm guessing, it'll be interesting to see how this develops.

    1. Re:Podcasting mainstream? by Chyeburashka · · Score: 4, Interesting
      When Rush Limbaugh is available via podcasting, it's mainstream. Regardless of your opinion of Rush, he's staying up with technology.

      I just updated to iTunes 4.9, so I guess it's time to run out and get my first iPod. So many choices, but it looks like the $299 new color iPod will be the one I'll get.

    2. Re:Podcasting mainstream? by coolfrood · · Score: 2, Informative

      Look at this: http://www.apple.com/itunes/podcasts.html, scroll down to "It takes requests."

  6. iTunes release once again breaks fairkeys by jambarama · · Score: 2, Funny
    Sadly this release once again breaks fairkeys and DeDRMS by Jon Lech Johanson. And with him employed by Apple now, he can't re-break them because it would be divulging a trade secret.

    It is legal to reverse engineer for compatibility if you don't have inside information. It is not ok if you do. It is sad, but a good move for Apple.

    RIP DRM Free iTunes, Viva allofmp3 .

    1. Re:iTunes release once again breaks fairkeys by jambarama · · Score: 4, Funny

      News of his employment here

  7. Playing with it for a few minutes by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Good:

    Rather nicely done. A good interface, the search function works, and the display is very iTunes-ish - to be honest, better than using iPodderX or NetNewsWire to import the songs, and you can add in custom feeds.

    I like the ability to tell it "Keep the most recent X and dump the rest" - for news based Podcasts, I usually have to do that manually with listened ones. Now, once I listen to it, it will automatically be taken out. Sweet.

    The Bad:

    No built in support for turning MP3 to bookmarkable AAC's. I don't see any kind of support for video podcasts (such as Rocketboom, which is odd since iPodderX can export the videos to iTunes, perhaps in support for a (someday) future video iPod).

    Otherwise, it's a nice addition, and it's going to be interesting to see where it goes. Kudos to Apple for getting it - now let's see how long it takes the Napster and Rhapsody folks to catch on ;).

    1. Re:Playing with it for a few minutes by killjoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Tim O'Reilly pointed their mistake during WWDC. Apple should tie garageband into the iTunes flow. Make a song, opload it into the music store, let apple sell it, the customer downloads it into the ipod/mac.

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  8. I just installed 4.9 on my mac by pHatidic · · Score: 4, Funny

    It feels way snappier than the last release.

  9. Gnomedex and the pod father by Ghost-in-the-shell · · Score: 4, Interesting


    Adam Curry (yes that guy from MTV) is the father of Podcasting and as such he gave the keynote speech at Gnomedex this past weekend. The full keynote is also one of his many podcasts.

    (Ok, if you don't know a podcast is basically an audio file. The term originates from the idea of Broadcasting and the iPod. The idea is take your content with you and listen when you want. The CBC has some of their radio content available as a podcast. So the concept is catching on!)

    This keynote is well worth the listen. It is motivational, and it is focused. Users demand content and they don't care how the delivery method works (ATOM, RSS, etc). For the rest of the speech, go over to Adam's site for a link to the audio file. Listen, enjoy, and think about what he has to say.

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  10. hm by speel3k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is what i love about apple. They see the customers need and they execute simple as that.

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    1. Re:hm by Seanasy · · Score: 2, Informative
      (I don't think there's any method for subscribing to podcasts not featured in the iTunes Music Store with Apple's new release)

      There is: Advanced > Subscribe to Podcast...

  11. Also an iPod update by generic-man · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm also downloading a new iPod updater which is supposed to add Podcast support to "iPod with color display," "iPod with Click Wheel," and "iPod mini." Looks like the 3G series has reached its end-of-life as far as support goes.

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    1. Re:Also an iPod update by DoubleEdd · · Score: 3, Informative

      It does work with 3Gs. I'm listening to podcasts on it now, although it appears as an ordinary playlist. I assume later models get a couple of extra features or something.

    2. Re:Also an iPod update by ryan_fung · · Score: 2, Informative

      Right. Podcasts were synced to my 3G and a Podcast playlist was automatically added. The podcasts from iTMS also correctly have a genre of "Podcast".

      I say this two years old baby is still supported well.

  12. slick, but: by jeffehobbs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think, technically speaking, it's as good an implementation as you're likely to see for a while.

    The only missed opportunity from my perspective is the lack of some peer-to-peer method of distribution of the podcasts. That would be awfully nice. As it is, if your podcast gets popular, you're going to have to contend with a hefty bandwidth fee, which leaves at least a vestige of the old-media power structure in place; those who have the bucks control the means of distribution. With a stripped-down BitTorrent or even a Gnutella-style "swarm" distribution model, your listeners could actually distribute your podcasts for you; truly listener-supported public radio.

    Otherwise, good stuff. More nice work by the iTunes team.

    ~jeff

  13. IPOD UPDATE by the_unknown_soldier · · Score: 5, Informative

    Perhaps more interesting.. there is also an ipod update available!

    http://www.apple.com/ipod/download/

    This means that your podcasts will FINALLY be organised on your ipod, and your ipod will treat it like an audio book: press pause, come back later and it remembers where you are!

    1. Re:IPOD UPDATE by zaren · · Score: 3, Informative

      Also, there's been some bumping going on it the iPod line - all full-size iPods are now photo capable, you now have a choice of a 20 or 60 gig iPod (nee Photo), and the 1 gig Shuffle got a $20 price cut.

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  14. UI is a mess though by JeFurry · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Unfortunately, and unusually for Apple, some of the changes to the iTunes user interface are somewhat confusing.
    • Going to a category subsection of the podcast list on the iTunes Music Store results in a browser window that lists genres, yet clicking any genre goes back to music listings, without any way to return. Podcast genres are in fact listed under the "Artist" column, and podcast titles under "Album".
    • There is now a subgenre column in the iTMS browser, which could be helpful if I could find any way to read or set the subgenres of music I already own.
    • The "All" item sometimes disappears from the top of the Artist column, meaning that you have to change genre/subgenre in order to change artist.
    • There are "[x>" icons beside some podcasts which aren't explained (though they could just be part of the feed name).
    iPod/iTunes's strength is partly in its simplicity - it's a good app for many people's music archival and retrieval needs. Perhaps it's being pushed to do too much? Some of the recent additions such as photo browsing (which can't be anything but mediocre on a 2" screen) and the new podcasting facilities might be better suited to a different GUI rather than being shoehorned into the existing ones. I love the idea of Podcasting in iTunes, but it's different enough from album browsing to warrant a bit more GUI work.

    I felt the same way about MacOS X Tiger's slightly premature release - although it was quickly improved with updates, the "release as beta, fix afterwards" approach is one I'd come to expect more from one of Apple's chief competitors. I hope Apple don't continue down this path - their software has often been a comparative joy to use, and these annoyances reduce that enjoyment.
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  15. Prompted by BadFruit's BadApple? by Webs+101 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From the latest Netsurfer Digest:

    BadApple Plug-in for iTunes Podcasts

    At some point, Apple is going to add explicit support for podcasts to iTunes. Podcasts are really only long, often dull sound files, the 21st century equivalent of talk radio on cassette. Still, it's a fad, and since iTunes lets you look you for streaming broadcasts, why not podcasts, too? At least, so think the anonymous folks behind BadFruit, an outfit that just released the BadApple iTunes plug-in, ironically for the Windows version of iTunes only. The plug-in adds another link, called Podcasts, to the main iTunes window. Click on the link and you get a list of podcast categories. Drill down to download specific podcasts in iTunes and use them as you would any other iTunes sound file. BadApple claims to be pre-emptive insurance against any potential limitations Apple may place on the podcasts it may offer in future versions of iTunes. CNET speculates that MP3.com founder Michael Robertson, who now has a new site called MP3Tunes.com, is the anonymous author of BadFruit.
    BadFruit: http://www.badfruit.com/
    CNET: http://news.com.com/2100-1027_3-5754227.html
    MP3Tunes.com: http://www.mp3tunes.com/

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    1. Re:Prompted by BadFruit's BadApple? by dema · · Score: 2, Informative

      Short answer: No.

      The goal of BadApple is clearly stated in their FAQ:

      Why was BadApple created?

      The goal is to make iTunes and iPods interoperate with other piles of media. I'm worried that when and if Apple adds podcast support they will only list a few podcasts that they approve. Remember this is a company that sues web sites that say good things about their upcoming products - bad Apple! Podcasts are significant because they offer a wide-range of diverse topics and ideas, not just those endorsed by one company. BadApple gives you access to all podcasts, - even ones which Apple might disagree with and never list in iTunes software.
      (emphasis mine)

    2. Re:Prompted by BadFruit's BadApple? by porcupine8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Didn't Apple announce that they'd be adding podcasting support at WWDC? So I doubt this is in response to a third-party app that appears to have been released more than a week after WWDC.

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  16. Re:Apple Getting Dumped By IBM by repetty · · Score: 4, Funny

    >> Apple getting dumped by IBM is going to put a quick end to the iPod fad.

    Put the drugs down and back away slowly....

  17. iPod updates: no hardware support for podcasting? by swissfondue · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Looks as if we will continue to need to use 3G iPod-Linux for recording audio at anything higher than 8kHz

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  18. Re:Question re. iTunes by Darth+Maul · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, on the Mac, you're supposed to use AppleScript to work with iTunes. I wrote a little podcast aggregator using Cocoa and it uses AppleScript to interface with iTunes to add/delete tracks and manage a Podcast playlist. Quite easy. XCode makes Mac development really easy.

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  19. Make bookmarkable workaround by mccalli · · Score: 4, Informative
    No built in support for turning MP3 to bookmarkable AAC's.

    A workaround for now (on OS X):

    1. Set your importing preferences to AAC
    2. Install this Make Bookmarable Applescript
    3. Select the MP3, go to Advanced->Convert to AAC
    4. Select the newly-created AAC, run the Make Bookmarkable script on it
    Finished, and you only need to do steps 1 and 2 the once, of course. I've been using this to convert BBC radio captures to bookmarkable AAC for a while (workflow: Tivo->MP3->bookmarkable AAC).

    would agree that making an AAC bookmarkable could do with being integrated into the main interface though.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  20. Re:Apple Getting Dumped By IBM by beeshman · · Score: 2, Funny

    This time for sure... Presto! (About 16,600 English pages for apple's demise death with Safesearch on via Google.)

    Here we go again...

  21. Re:What about advanced configuration? by Formula420 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You may be thinking of the "View Options" selection, as that only lets you select what columns are displayed. If you click "Preferences" then you can change things like Audio options, CD Burning, and Sharing support.

  22. Re:Apple Getting Dumped By IBM by lp-habu · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Apple getting dumped by IBM is going to put a quick end to the iPod fad.

    In a year Apple is going to be struggling to survive as just another overpriced x86 OEM. Media companies know this, are going to start distancing themselves quietly and looking for new partners to take Apple place over the next year or two as revenues/profits start to dry up.

    It was fun while it lasted, but Steve's tempertantrum/unwillingness to pay for a mobile PPC chip is going to be the death of the company over the next couple of years.

    Care to wager a beer on any of that that?
  23. DAAP & iTunes Music Sharing by crazney · · Score: 3, Informative

    In case anyone was wondering, Apple have not changed the DAAP authentication with this new version of iTunes. So my various iTunes apps for linux, etc still work.

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  24. Re:Playing with it for a few minutes (CORRECTION) by Zane+Edwards · · Score: 2, Informative

    OK, the video DOES play, in the artwork preview pane. You can click on it for full size.

  25. Podcasting Laws? by randomErr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here is something that I've been wondering: What are the legal guidelines for podcasting? I know the ones that are talk and original music are fine. But what about people who play their favorite song or remake of existing songs?

    I listen to a couple of podcasts where people play their favorite songs and I was wondering if that is legal? I know this is offtopic but this one question have yet to find an answer too.

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    1. Re:Podcasting Laws? by slim · · Score: 2, Informative

      Adam Curry and the guy behind Coverville, at the very least pay ASCAP licensing fees.

      See this topic on Podcast Alley for details.

    2. Re:Podcasting Laws? by Whatchamacallit · · Score: 2, Informative

      Love him or hate him, Rush Limbaugh just recently started publishing a Podcast for his 24/7 subscribers. He had a team of lawyers look into all the 'issues' and ended up not playing any music whatsoever on his Podcasts. That includes his musical parodies.

      The concern was how would they handle paying royalties, etc. They already pay them for radio broadcast but to put it into an MP3 and distribute it over the net allows anyone to edit it out and literally steal the song. So there is no model in place to handle the licensing, at least not one that is as reliable as the radio broadcasts.

      So to avoid getting your butt sued, especially after that Supreme Court P2P decision you ought not distribute licensed music within your Podcast without written permission and even then it's not entirely clear if you are 'safe'.

  26. BadFruit's BadApple is a BadProduct by nuxx · · Score: 4, Informative

    People may be interested in my write-up on Badfruit's BadApple which I posted to LiveJournal here.

    In short, this tool modifies your HOSTS file to point the iTunes Music Store link in iTunes to a local copy of IIS. That copy of IIS serves a python app which hosts a fake music store to offer Podcasts. This copy of IIS is open to the entire world (listening on *:80) running some rather untested software, and the redirection (via the HOSTS file) essentially 'breaks' iTunes Music Store functionality. This behavior (still) does not appear to be documented on BadFruit's site.

    It also appears to have some hooks into mp3tunes.com, but I wasn't able to completely determine what. BadFruit may be selling music or collecting referrals, I'm not sure which.

    In short, please use lots of caution before installing this software. It makes some rather drastic changes to one's machine, and these aren't documented on BadFruit's site.

  27. obGrampa by djdavetrouble · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't read blogs, and I don't intend to listen to any 'podcasts' either. Books are for reading, and iPod's are for music. As far as I can tell, the main disadvantage of these digital soapboxes is that you can't hurl tomatoes at the orator. These newfangled ideas are nothing but chicanery perpetrated by charlatans. In fact, the iPod is nothing more than a cassette player crossed with a cue ball.

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  28. Don't stomp the world flat. It's complicated. by ianscot · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Inside of the last year-plus, the price of luxury goods from Europe has gone up dramatically here, too. The difference is almost strictly the decline of the dollar against the Euro.

    My own painful example would be Leica and Swarovski optics. A Leica spotting scope that cost 800 USD three years ago is now $1300. Leica isn't paying dramatically more taxes today than they were then. I still can't buy their dang scopes, and I could have back then.

    Anyone who's traveled in Europe or anywhere else could tell you that prices in different sectors of the economy can differ in ways that may or may not reflect the added costs you're talking about. Gas for private cars is much more expensive. Other stuff will be far cheaper than you'd find them in the US. And until the Euro there was tons of variation in those things from place to place. Soda in Paris, always expensive. Instanbul is cheap, but it's hard to say how cheap at a given moment because of Lira inflation.

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  29. Re:I, for one... by Chicago+Wolves · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I always disliked one thing about iTunes, and that is that you must install the Quick Time codec/player in order to use it. I remember on old versions they did not do this... Is there any open source software out there that has an iTunes-esque type of music store? I buy a lot of music from Magnatune.com I like them for their unique taste in music and support of open source formats. I also like the fact that they don't buy into this top-40 chart nonsense.

  30. Re:So with this new found power... by philbowman · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The Top Podcasts list on the right of the iTunes Podcast store looks like it's shaping up with a good selection. This could be the death of PodcastAlley and other riggable voting schemes (duck). Personally I recommend:

    • Coverville (cover music)
    • The Tartan Podcast (great selection of Scottish Music - no Bagpipes (ok, there was one once)
    • Today (BBC Political interviews - deep!)
    • In Our Time (BBC - hard to describe, really deep chatshow?)
    • Radio Adventures of Dr Floyd (fun serial)
    • Slacker Astronomy
    • Teknikal Diffikulties (surreal comedy show)
    • Biddycast
    • Accident Hash (Music from the Boston area)
    This isn't all I listen to, but there's good stuff in there. You can listen to Daily Source Code (Adam Curry), but that's mostly podcasting about podcasting - the above are the meat.
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  31. Think the rock hit your head by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm just waiting for Apple to remove sharing and cd burning all together. If you think that isn't their long term goal your kidding yourself.

    I think that rock hit your head. Apple has removed some features that most people don't use, and a few people (like you or I) miss.

    But burning and sharing removed? Sorry, that's not going to happen because they are core features that Apple is promoting. Why would you buy an Apple laptop and a desktop if you couldn't share? Why would you use iTunes if you couldn't burn CD's? It makes no sense.

    Basically Apple racheted down the iTunes features to those used in a home setup, and they are pretty much done it seems. Although I am also sad iTunes no longer lets me share with everyone in the office as well as it used to, I have to say that since there's no other choice at all that lets me share anything whatsoever I can't be too mad at them. Why not bitch that Windows Media Player has no sharing at all?

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  32. "Tax-slaves" by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 2

    Your sig is more correct than I suspect you realize.

    When you add up all local, state, and federal taxes, it's not unusual to find that fully 60% of one's income is consumed by them.

    Now, what is slavery, but the state where 100% of the fruits of one's labor is confiscated?

    Hence, the average American is currently about 60% enslaved.

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  33. easy answer: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Replace "podcasting" with "web pages" in your post, pretend it's 1994, and you'll understand.

    Sure, there are a lot of people just telling others about their days. But many big media companies are making their products available as podcasts. It's a medium, and the content is following. There will be professional news, sports...

    Think of it as having the wide variety and "niche" presence of satellite radio crossed with the time-shifting of a Tivo or a web page.

  34. Re:Apple Getting Dumped By IBM by TimTheFoolMan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh well... another casualty of the lack of a +1 Sarcasm moderation option.