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Mobile Top Level Domain Gets ICANN Nod

Sushant Bhatia writes "Despite fierce criticism from Tim Berners-Lee, the father of the Web, ICANN has decided to go ahead and create a new TLD (Top Level Domain) aimed at mobile phones and other mobile devices. Bizarrely the new domain will be '.mobi'. Considering that one of the chief banes of accessing the Internet from a mobile phone is the fact that keying in long Internet addresses takes time, the decision to use .mobi seem odd. A good place to keep up with the ongoings of ICANN is the ICANN Watch which reports that a TLD system has been launched in Turkey as the result of an alliance between the Turkish Informatics Association (TBD) and Unified Identity Technology (UNIDT)."

198 comments

  1. Get rid of the i. by modecx · · Score: 5, Funny

    Really--.mob would be more apt in many ways.

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    1. Re:Get rid of the i. by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Yeah.

      I believe http://flash.mob would spontaneously get registered...

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    2. Re:Get rid of the i. by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      I still vote for .pad which is easy to key in on a phone. No Apt.Pad sponsor still though. :(

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    3. Re:Get rid of the i. by middlemen · · Score: 1

      Well maybe their aim was to keep Mobi Wan Kanobi happy !

    4. Re:Get rid of the i. by laejoh · · Score: 0
      I believe <a href="http://flash.mob/">http://flash.mob/</a> would spontaneously get registered...


      I can see it happen already:

      gargle@gargle:~$ host www.flash.mob
      www.flash.mob A 204.251.15.151
    5. Re:Get rid of the i. by KC7GR · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. If Herman Melville were alive today, he could re-write one of his most famous stories to fit the "wired world."

      I'm speaking, in case you hadn't seen it coming, of .mobi-Dick, starring the ICANN board (collectively, one costume) as the Great White (Wired) Whale.

      (Come on, you HAD to see that coming! That rotten tomato in your hand only confirms it!)

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    6. Re:Get rid of the i. by Draigon · · Score: 1

      Looks like nobody is going to park the bat.mobile afterall.

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    7. Re:Get rid of the i. by cibus · · Score: 1

      Dear Mr ICANN, I'm interested in buying your domain ny.mob and italian.mob. Heck, I'll take them all. I'll make you an offer you can't refuse! brg, Sergione

    8. Re:Get rid of the i. by RobertKozak · · Score: 1


      Godfather: Hey Guido
      Guido: uh yeah, boss?
      Godfather: Prostitution is down, the bookies aren't bringing in the cut. RIAA is doing okay for us and MPAA is coming on board. Gambling is about even and starting to take off because of this internet thingy.
      Guido: Sure boss.
      Godfather: We need to expand.
      Guido: Lets take over ICANN. There are hundreds of websites.
      Godfather: More like millions.
      Guido: uh right, so lets make up a new domain..um.. .mob And make everyone reregister all over again.
      Godfather: That might work. I'm glad I didn't have you whacked after the McClonsky debacle.
      Guido: um thanks boss. You want me to have someone picup our cut from the RIAA now while I go drop a couple of ICANN fish in the sea?
      Godfather: Go ahead. I think you deserve the reward.

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    9. Re:Get rid of the i. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, I'm thinking they should scrap all TLDs except .com, .net, .org, and the country TLDs. screw .info, screw .biz. Screw .mobi, screw .xxx. it does absolutely nothing except make people pay more money. And I still maintain, as a webmaster, that I will just create a subdomain for the mobile portions of my websites rather than pay for a whole other domain name.

  2. Strange departure by coflow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is this TLD based on the medium used to access it? In the past the TLD had more to do with the nature of the organization hosting the website.....

    1. Re:Strange departure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Why is this TLD based on the medium used to access it? In the past the TLD had more to do with the nature of the organization hosting the website.....

      Even farther in the past, there were no websites, and the TLD had more to do with the nature of the organization using it for email and other services.

      The web is not the internet.

    2. Re:Strange departure by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      No TLD should specify the intended platform - the site serving the content should change what it serves based on the platform which is accessing it.

      XML/XHTML/CSS etc is supposed to solve this, not allow for the creation of another TLD just for mobile content!

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    3. Re:Strange departure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this TLD based on the medium used to access it? In the past the TLD had more to do with the nature of the organization hosting the website.....

      Shhhhhh.... they don't know that. They want to call it Mobi as for the Dick that decded to depart from tradition.

      Domain extortion...the chapter begins with mobi.dick. Or is that dick.mobi?

  3. Why .mobi? [OT] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    dot-mobi? Huh? What's that?

    How come they didn't restrict the .museum TLD to .muse?
    It's just as many letters, .mobile could actually turn out to be useful..

    (..oh, and 3.Profit!, imagine a beowulf cluster, does it run linux and in soviet russia, and so on.)

    1. Re:Why .mobi? [OT] by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Funny

      Howabout dick.mobi? Make for some funny reverse lookups "in mobi dick".

    2. Re:Why .mobi? [OT] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dot-mobi? Huh? What's that?

      Cue Moby Dick jokes in 3,2,1...

    3. Re:Why .mobi? [OT] by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      ... until the porn business buys it after starting to make a strong presence in the mobile phone business. :-/

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    4. Re:Why .mobi? [OT] by sk8king · · Score: 1

      I was hoping to get bat.mobile. I don't know what I'd host there but I'd be darn happy I got it thats for sure.

    5. Re:Why .mobi? [OT] by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      until the porn business buys it after starting to make a strong presence in the mobile phone business
      market penetration == OUCH!

      Do away with the TLDs and all this nonsense like cybersquatting would stop (I prefer a BLT myself, anyway :-)

    6. Re:Why .mobi? [OT] by empaler · · Score: 1

      A buddy of mine used to have nazihomo.org for the exact same reason until he had to start *paying* for the domain...

  4. .mobi by Neil+Blender · · Score: 2, Funny

    Proof that ICANN is staffed by idiots.

    1. Re:.mobi by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      Yeah. ICANN approving a new TLD is like a crack addict approving a new cut of cocaine.

  5. Get ready... by GypC · · Score: 2

    ... for a flood of ".Mobi Dick" jokes.

    1. Re:Get ready... by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hmm, www.dick.mobi?

      what else?

      Ohh, a "flood" of .Mobi Dick jokes, flood...water...ocean...whale

      Got it. that was pretty funny

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    2. Re:Get ready... by Tackhead · · Score: 1, Funny
      > ... for a flood of ".Mobi Dick" jokes.

      Call it .mobi. Some years ago--never mind how long precisely -- having little or no clue in my head, and nothing particular to interest me at the coding keyboard, I thought I would write a few RFCs and see the committee-driven part of the Internet...

      [ ...104 Slashdot posts later... ]

      "AND I ONLY AM ESCAPED ALONE TO TELL THEE"
      - Job.

      The meeting is done. Why then here does any new TLD step forth? -- Because one did survive the wreck.

    3. Re:Get ready... by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 1

      14:38 dick.mobi
      14:39 there, now i'm the first person to make that joke
      14:39 * [m1] sits back to collect royalties

      Mon Jul 11 2005, #fatkids.

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  6. Too long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not .mob?

    1. Re:Too long... by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 1

      The Mafia wants that one

  7. Teh Trick! by th0mas.sixbit.org · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. Read other news sites (fark especially), and remember the best comments for each story.
    2. Wait until the same story comes up on slashdot (2-3 days)
    3. ...?
    4. Profit!

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    1. Re:Teh Trick! by hackstraw · · Score: 3, Funny

      5. Repost article on Slashdot.
      6. Repeat.

    2. Re:Teh Trick! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I know you're trying to be funny, but it's pretty reasonable that there should be some overlap in the stories posted on Slashdot and other sites. Recent research indicates that the audiences for some of these sites aren't really as different as you might think. Which leads one to wonder ... does online discussion really represent an accurate reflection of our culture, or are we seeing a balkanization of opinion that doesn't reflect reality?

      There is a very relevant Venn diagram available here: http://www.venndiagram.com/detail.lasso?id=1090944 229.gif

      Comments? Intelligent discussion is appreciated.

    3. Re:Teh Trick! by th0mas.sixbit.org · · Score: 1

      There's a couple things here.

      I agree with you that there should be some overlap, but, truly, if I wanted to, I could submit fark's headlines as slashdot's 0day news.

      Personally I think the problem is there is about a million sites that solely post links to other sites that post links to sites that post links to articles. It makes sense to have news sites, and to have a news repository of sorts, but I think the thing is in order to be relevent a news repository (such has slashdot) has to:

      - be quick in reporting news

      - post links to good articles

      when you're days behind your peers I think it's fair that your quality becomes the butt of jokes.

      oh and when you want intelligent discussion it doesn't hurt to be logged in/not AC.

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    4. Re:Teh Trick! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YHBT. YL. HAND.
      Just take a look at the diagram itself...
      (brought to you by the GNAA)

    5. Re:Teh Trick! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, I got played.

    6. Re:Teh Trick! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is one of the funniest GNAA trolls I have seen in a long time... Very well done.

    7. Re:Teh Trick! by generationxyu · · Score: 1

      5. Photoshop Ackbar saying "IT'S A TRAP" into something.
      6. Overuse catchphrases

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    8. Re:Teh Trick! by HG+Slashdot · · Score: 0

      7. ??? 8. Get flamed by enough-with-the-dupes.mob

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  8. old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hardly breaking news. This was in todays Guardian

  9. Mobi huh? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Interesting

    These galls should apply for www.mobi

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    1. Re:Mobi huh? by Dakrin1 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      For those of you who were hoping the above link had some hot babes in it, you'll be disapointed. It's internetBABIES.com not internetBABES.com :)

      from the site:

      MOBI is for women who are/were unable to breastfeed, feel unsuccessful in breastfeeding, are/were experiencing severe breastfeeding problems, or experienced untimely weaning.

    2. Re:Mobi huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      from the site: MOBI is for women who are/were unable to breastfeed

      Well it's still about breast...

    3. Re:Mobi huh? by Dakrin1 · · Score: 1

      redundant??? bah, at first it was for internetbabes.. :(

    4. Re:Mobi huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These galls

      Definitions of gall on the Web:
      # saddle sore: an open sore on the back of a horse caused by ill-fitting or badly adjusted saddle
      # a skin sore caused by chafing
      # abnormal swelling of plant tissue caused by insects or microorganisms or injury
      # resentment: a feeling of deep and bitter anger and ill-will
      # bile: a digestive juice secreted by the liver and stored in the gallbladder; aids in the digestion of fats
      # chafe: become or make sore by or as if by rubbing
      # crust: the trait of being rude and impertinent; inclined to take liberties
      # irritate or vex; "It galls me that we lost the suit"

  10. mobi.us.strip by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 3, Funny

    They considered shortening it to ".mob" but the Mafia threatened a class action for TLD squatting.

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    1. Re:mobi.us.strip by Florian+Weimer · · Score: 1

      They considered shortening it to ".mob" but the Mafia threatened a class action for TLD squatting.

      Even in the U.S. alone, there seem to be quite a few MOBI trademark registrations. Looks like using this TLD could prove indeed risky. What were they thinking when they decided to use a non-descriptive term?

    2. Re:mobi.us.strip by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1
      What were they thinking when they decided to use a non-descriptive term?

      Even though this requires a tinfoil hat, I wonder... Could it simply be a passive-agressive response to pressure they don't want to endure any longer? Basically giving the T-Mobile types what they want but at the same time hamstringing the implementation such that it dissappears from relevance shortly after introduction. Or perhaps make the TLD so obtuse that the support for it wans and it never gets introduced.

      Granted it requires an uncommon level of shredness, but still...

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    3. Re:mobi.us.strip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought is was a combination suit of violation of trade secrets, and trademark....

      Better watch out, the mob has some good lawyers!

  11. Obviously... by Valiss · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ...no one at ICANN has kids.

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    1. Re:Obviously... by sykjoke · · Score: 1

      This a positive asset where I come from.

  12. It doesn't matter... by kryptx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It doesn't really matter what the TLD is. Internet-enabled phones will provide a way to enter it expediently.

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    1. Re:It doesn't matter... by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      It doesn't really matter what the TLD is. Internet-enabled phones will provide a way to enter it expediently.

      Yeah, there is the thing for the web called google that does the same thing.

      TLDs have simply gotten to be cash cows for those registrars out there, the sleezier the better!

      I mean, who would have thunk that going to http://slashdot.com/ would get you to slashdot.org? Heck, I remember when you would introduce slashdot to someone and you tell them to go to slashdot.org and they would type http://www.slashdot.com/ and I would have to correct them twice. Slashdot used to not answer to www.slashdot.org only slashdot.org. The .com did not work at all.

      With all of the cybersquatting and registrars buying up generic names for domains, I just go to google to find a url, not blindly type in the address into my browser unless its a known one already.

  13. Damm An I thought Al Gore was the webs father. by TimePressured · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I soo disillusioned now.

  14. Not a problem by np_bernstein · · Score: 1

    It may currently be a problem to type on a cellphone, but the trend with mobile devices seem to point in the direction of the blackberry, sidekick, or palm treo. Using any of these devices, typing isn't nearly as much of a problem.

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  15. keying in long addresses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Considering that one of the chief banes of accessing the Internet from a mobile phone is the fact that keying in long Internet addresses takes time, the decision to use .mobi seem odd.

    This is a domain targeted specifically at phones. So it is reasonable to assume that phone manufacturers will create something that automatically fills in the .mobi instead of making you key it in.

    Of course, who knows how many of these addresses will really be optimized for phones. It probably won't take long for domain speculators and porn shops to gobble them up.

    1. Re:keying in long addresses? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 1

      domain speculators and porn shops to gobble them up.

      That sentence left me slightly sick...

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    2. Re:keying in long addresses? by TimePressured · · Score: 0

      Moris code will pwn tele key pad entry soon. Other contributing factors include voice dialing which makes it even less of a problem.

    3. Re:keying in long addresses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Moris code"???

      Did you mean Morse code, or are you talking about some secret language used by cats?

    4. Re:keying in long addresses? by TimePressured · · Score: 0

      ...noticed 3 cats giving me the evil eye while cocking their head to the side. Of course I meant Morse code. Ya that's it that's the ticket! Down kitty!

    5. Re:keying in long addresses? by I_can_not_believe_I_ · · Score: 1

      Really? I found the entire thought of "de-valuing" web adresses to be weird, they're not property, they are simply a human readable way to surf the web.

      Why should a web address have any real intrinsic value? Why should ICANN worry about maintaining that preceived value (as opposed to making more money for themselves selling additional domain names)?

      As for domain squatting on company's websites on different TLD's, there's always trademarks and registered marks which provide protection.

      Who knows, another 10 domain names might kill internet "property" speculation (then again, who am I kidding), although yes, at some point it gets confusing trying to remember if you wanted slashdot.org, .mobi, .rant, etc.

      I'm still a little surprised to hear Tim Berners-Lee speaking out protecting the "value" of namespace.

  16. .m would be even better by aberson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    unless there's a reason that you can't have a 1 character tld

    [not to mention that "mo" are on the same key in a cellphone, making it even more annoying to key in... but at least predictive text might pick up that you're typing "mobile"]

    1. Re:.m would be even better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You read my mind!

      Now, can you project your thoughts to ICANN?

    2. Re:.m would be even better by booch · · Score: 1

      You'd think there would be some restriction against 1-letter TLDs, but I can't find anything in the RFCs. I did find RFC 1591, which says "it is extremely unlikely that any other TLDs will be created", besides the country-code TLDs and the generic TLDs: EDU, COM, ORG, NET, GOV, MIL, and INT. I'd imagine that due to this, there's some code out there that assumes TLDs must be exactly 2 or 3 letters long.

      Four-letter top-level domains (INFO and NAME, along with BIZ) have been around since 2001. Other new gTLDs have been added since then: MUSEUM, COOP, AERO, PRO, with JOBS possibly on the way. The full info can be found at the IANA. I've seen a few BIZ and INFO domains, and an AERO domain once. I don't think I've seen any of the others. On the whole, I'd say none of them ever really caught on. And yet they've got a few more in the works. Morons!

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    3. Re:.m would be even better by Beuno · · Score: 1

      Well, Spain's TLD is ".es", Argentina's ".ar", UK's is ".uk"

      Think that 2 letter TLDs are ok

    4. Re:.m would be even better by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      All country code TLDs are 2 letters. For example, the United States' is .us, and that .tv one that's so popular actually stands for Tuvalu, not television.

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  17. Why? by Blindman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Assuming I could register a .mobi address for my phone, now what? Was something like [my phone number]@[wireless provider].[net or com] too difficult? It seems like a solution looking for a problem.

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    1. Re:Why? by Tintivilus · · Score: 1

      [my phone number]@[wireless provider].[net or com]

      I hate that... it means that not only do I need to know your phone number, but I need to know your cell carrier as well. It also quashes half the point of number portability -- you can take your number with you, but your email address still changes. To make matters worse, number portability means I can't determine your carrier from your number's exchange anymore. What are the odds that the carriers would get together and make a [phone number]@common-site.com that forwards to the various carrier mail exchangers?

    2. Re:Why? by pauljlucas · · Score: 1
      What are the odds that the carriers would get together and make a [phone number]@common-site.com that forwards to the various carrier mail exchangers?
      You can do the forwarding yourself by getting some e-mail address and have it forward to your phone's e-mail address. You only give out the forwarding address and change the forwarded-to address whenever your carrier or number changes.
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  18. the obvious implication by Superfarstucker · · Score: 1

    That mobile browsers will automatically check for a .mobi for the site your trying to reach before requesting the real site and butchering the hell out of it. and it is only one fucking character

    1. Re:the obvious implication by salzbrot · · Score: 1

      > mobile browsers will automatically check for a .mobi
      > for the site your trying to reach

      I doubt it. If you are right it would provide a very easy way to "hijack" google.com (or any other of your favorite .com domains that you were fast enough to register) on mobile phones.
      Anyway, I don't understand the introduction of new TLDs in the first place. Anyone thinks you can get away with registering ebay.mobi or yahoo.mobi?

  19. OK, so... by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Interesting
    OK, so, rather than either
    1. Making your site gracefully scale down for mobile devices based upon CSS, or
    2. Making your site detect the mobile's User Agent and redirecting them to a section of your site designed for mobile use, or
    3. Having a "lite" section of your site and letting the user select it.

    All of which entail nothing more than some extra sections on your existing web server, ICANN would have you have to register a second domain, and either run virtual web services on your server or run multiple servers.

    Yes, that makes sense.
    1. Re:OK, so... by generic-man · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple wants you to buy only Apple products and services. Microsoft strongly recommends that you install only Genuine Microsoft Windows on all your computers. ICANN wants you to register a .mobi domain for mobile content. There's one reason behind all these: money.

      I expect .mobi to set the world on fire just like .museum revolutionized the way museums used the internet, or the way .name encouraged everyone to buy their real name's domain, or the way .pro encouraged "professionals" to get their name for $200+. In other words, it's a poor attempt to wring money from gullible latecomers to the web.

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    2. Re:OK, so... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      I know .mususeum died (did it ever launch??), and .info is just shithole (I have all .info domains blacklisted because they're a 100% reliable spam sign).

      But .name? .pro? Never even heard of them...

    3. Re:OK, so... by Hope+Thelps · · Score: 1

      I know .mususeum died (did it ever launch??)

      .museum lives!


      Though when they explain their purpose "This, in turn, makes it easy for users to recognize genuine museum activity on the Internet". you have to wonder whether they're serious or not.

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    4. Re:OK, so... by dtobias · · Score: 1

      All of the seven new TLDs are living, though none have really taken off much.

      I'm using some myself:
      http://www.dan.info/
      http://dan.tobias.name/

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    5. Re:OK, so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course!
      They need to make more product for you to buy.

    6. Re:OK, so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Listen. There are a lot of counterfeit museums out there. I once walked into an unlicensed museum where I was robbed of my money and subjected to a horrifying 90-minute-long video presentation of ugly people and consumer products.

    7. Re:OK, so... by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      "Yes, that makes sense."

      May not make a lot of sense, but it sure makes them more money.

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    8. Re:OK, so... by BlueHands · · Score: 1

      So I am not sure how i feel about the whole thing (seems kinda stupid all around) BUT look at it from a different perspective:

      people are dumb.

      I mean, at least when it comes to computers. I deal with so many people that don't know the difference between the address bar and a search bar that it scares me.

      People being able to see, to guess, that if they go to disney.mobi and they will be able to use their mobile phone may truly help people, regardless of how stupid it seems to the rest of us.

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    9. Re:OK, so... by wowbagger · · Score: 1

      Let me turn this around on you:

      People are dumb - so they shouldn't be expected to know that "disney.mobi" is for their phone, and "disney.com" is for their PC. The web server at disney.com should know where to send them, so the average person can simply thumb in "disney" and get what they want.

    10. Re:OK, so... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Making your site gracefully scale down for mobile devices based upon CSS

      We've had the technology to do this for 5 years and noone is doing it.

      Even Google has a special URL for mobile phones.

      If .mobi can get content providers to actually do something, that's worth more than the intellectual impurity of the exercise. When they get down to it they'll realize it's just a different CSS skin on their existing content and wind up redirecting the .mobi page to their main page. Eventually.

      And then we'll be we we should have been 5 years ago.

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    11. Re:OK, so... by BlueHands · · Score: 1

      VERY true. "Dumb" people are going to be confused by EITHER method. Frankly I don't know which is better, prolly servers being smart but that is going to take a bit longer because of all the bad/lazy admins in the world.....

      Hell, for that matter if the user does just put in Disney you could have them check the .mobi domain first, then .com, then .org...etc....

      I have never understood people having a problem with extra domains. Since the domains don't mean nearly as much as they used to, go hog wild and create as many TLD as you want - we'll make more.

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  20. From the Berners-Lee interview by Radres · · Score: 1

    "Berners-Lee slammed the newly proposed .xxx domain name for adult content which he said would not create an adult-content repository. He said the definition of what adult content was too wide for the domain name to be effective."

    The definition of adult content is too wide? What about the definition of a commercial site? Too me, it seems .com is way too wide.

    1. Re:From the Berners-Lee interview by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      If you think the .com has wide stuff on it browse a few .cx sites sometime.

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    2. Re:From the Berners-Lee interview by Compholio · · Score: 1

      Personally, I think the .xxx domain would be a great thing if they could get adult content sites to adopt it. I would like to see it as a requirement so that the .xxx extension could be blocked in inappropriate environments such as schools. I think adult sites should be able to keep their .com addresses, maybe even give them .xxx addresses for free, but require that all the actual content be stored on a .xxx address. Since the first page of their sites is usually an adult disclaimer anyway that disclaimer could be on the .com and then forward the user on to the .xxx.

    3. Re:From the Berners-Lee interview by wombert · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that's where you're going to get into the complications of "what is adult content" and who's going to police what is displayed on a .com vs .xxx site.

      It would be nice if self-identified adult content providers had an incentive to use the new TLD, but since so many use a business model of deceptive spam and advertising, it's unlikely you would see significant switch. You will probably always have adult sites registered at .com sites to catch the occasional web user who types in the wrong domain or sees the innocuous URL in search engine results.

      While anyone looking for such content should have no problem finding it regardless of the URL, I guess the theory is you might be able to catch someone who wasn't looking for it but might still be interested in purchasing (or just giving you ad revenue) when presented with the site. And of course, to catch those few customers you might risk spamming a few thousand more with no interest at all.

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  21. What is the point of multiple TLD's by R2.0 · · Score: 1

    So ICAAN creates a new TLD, and 1 of 2 things happen:

    1) existing address holders sign up for the same names under the new TLD, which just suck cash into domain registrars for no real benefit.

    2) Existing adress holders dont' sign up, which allows other people to grab the address and use it with the new TLD...NOT. I can't, grab "IBM.mobi" because of trademark issues, etc.

    Who benefits from new TLD's? The namespace isn't increasing.

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  22. More TLDs to come by ogonek · · Score: 1

    1. Make new TLDs
    2. ???
    3. .profit

    1. Re:More TLDs to come by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 1


      Actually, the ??? isn't that hard to figure out.

      1. Make new top level domains.

      2. Watch as every major company spends money to register the domain the new TLD, trying to beat out the squatters from spending the money to register the domain.

      3. Profit.

      When the TLDs were first out, it make a lot of sense. If the intent of the domain was commercial, you got a .com. If the intent was to organize a network of computers, you got a .net. If it was for an organization (such as a non-profit), you went with a .org.

      Those distinctions quickly became meaningless. A corporation with the same name as a nonprofit can easily hold the .org domain. Network Solutions' website actually encourages you to register all TLD variations of a domain when you go to register a .com.

      Profit indeed.

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    2. Re:More TLDs to come by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Please when making this joke you must leave out step 2 all together. Here it looks as though you have thought about step 2, you know there needs to be a step 2. Perhaps you will come up with a step 2 in the future. The funny thing about the joke is that step 2 was never even a consideration.

      Revise the joke to be:

      1. Make new TLDs
      3. .profit

      Thank you for your participation.

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  23. They should by jsuarezcasana · · Score: 1

    stick with just a few one .biz sounded good, but .xxx was just surreal imagine all the warez/p0rn "underground" sites lining up yeah right!

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  24. They should have used... by cataBob · · Score: 3, Funny

    They should have went with .stupid instead.

    1. Re:They should have used... by I_can_not_believe_I_ · · Score: 2, Funny

      Umm, last I checked .gov is still a valid TLD.

  25. Why make this a TLD? by Experiment+626 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why should this be a top level domain? It seems like "mobi.slashdot.org" would work just as well as "www.slashdot.mobi", with the added advantages to Website operators of not having to maintain a separate domain, and to users of knowing for sure that the former is actually affiliated with the "slashdot.org" domain (less fake sites, phishing, etc.). So what are the advantages of the TLD approach that caused this to get approved?

    1. Re:Why make this a TLD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So what are the advantages of the TLD approach that caused this to get approved?

      More money for ICANN.

    2. Re:Why make this a TLD? by changa · · Score: 1

      I just cant wait for www.llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyll-llant ysiliogogogoch.mobi so I can get there on my cell phone with ease.

    3. Re:Why make this a TLD? by typical · · Score: 1

      So what are the advantages of the TLD approach that caused this to get approved?

      See, your problem is that you are a perfectly rational, nice-guy engineer type who has an interest in building good systems. From your standpoint, it makes exactly no sense -- it's actually a bad idea, if anything, which is why you can expect Berners-Lee to oppose it.

      The thing is that the registrars (and the ever-evil Verisign, which has taken abuse of power to a fine art) have too godamn much influence at ICANN, and every time a new TLD gets approved they make more money. Especially nice for them is the fact that every company that owns domains immediately buys them for every new TLD, so they are working their way up to a nice, expensive, business-class product.

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  26. What?! by Voltronalpha · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is there any real reason they couldn't have done .M or .MOB or .MBL Or anything that didn't have Fscking 4 characters?!

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  27. The New Deal: A TLD in every pot! by bigtallmofo · · Score: 1

    How long until .coke and .pepsi are top level domains?

    I guess now if you want to protect your trademark, you have to buy dozens of TLDs today and perhaps hundreds tomorrow if ICANN continues its goofy trend.

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  28. Ramblings by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Nice. Yet another TLD without a purpose. Everybody wants the .com anyway; the rest just adds confusion. Was it .com, .net, .org, .fr, or .mobi? And yes, this does lead to real problems with real people.

    Also, what I find much more important than the TLD, when are mobiles going to be truely usable as web clients? With PDAs, the usability is pretty good, and properly built websites run on them without a problem. But with mobile phones, access is problematic. Most don't support XHTML, which means pages must be made in the WML format, which is just a complete abomination. It does away with all the meaningful structure of HTML, allegedly to make things simpler, and then adds a whole lot of complexity with its scripting language. And then most phone's HTTP implementations is horribly flaky - fragmenting the headers will cause many phones to not render the page.

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    1. Re:Ramblings by MasterB(G)ates · · Score: 1

      All flavours of the Pocket PC/Smartphone (2002/3/5) support xhtml via Pocket Internet Explorer. I suggest you check out Windows Mobile 5.0/2005 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/5/default.m spx. I agree about the flaky comment in past versions though.

      WML is actually being phased out as the micro-browser default markup language with xhtml, xhtml MP (WAP v2.0) and cthml becoming more popular.

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  29. Multiple Function buttons by bdcrazy · · Score: 2, Informative

    My cell phone is an older verizon phone (don't know exactly, bought it cheap early last year) and it has a button where you can click it once, then choose 1 to add .com, 2 to add .edu, 3 to add .org. It wouldn't be too hard to add a 4 .mobi 5 .biz 6. info, and you wouldn't have to worry about it?

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  30. Registrations... by FrontalLobe · · Score: 1

    I wonder if my ex-wife will register for ala.mobi

    Ouch... sorry

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  31. so, now you can get your [phone#].mobi... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and run an webserver in your pocket? whenever it 404's your pants can ring.

  32. Wait till the Moby lawsuit for typosquatting by MDMurphy · · Score: 1

    Google just won a judgement on variations of Google spelling in domain names. After a few thousand new domains get registered, watch for Moby to go after everyone.

    1. Re:Wait till the Moby lawsuit for typosquatting by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      mobi.com is for sale (and probably a whole bunch more by squatters).

      Time to do away with centralized TLDs and the whole TLD hierarchial system. Its not like its necessary from a technical point of view.

  33. Commercialization is to blame by portwojc · · Score: 1

    He told the conference that when you print money, you devalue the money you already printed, and that was what was happening with increasing the number of domain names.

    Well this all because of stupidity and the commercialization of the Internet. TLDs had a purpose but that purpose now has been shifted into one thing. Create anther so people will register their name again.

    Stupid courts/and others are to blame for letting companies/groups think they have to have their name in each TLD even though that TLD has nothing to do with them.

  34. Why not.. by Talonator · · Score: 0

    Why not .m?

  35. Stop complaining - start fighting by null+etc. · · Score: 2, Funny
    Despite fierce criticism from Tim Berners-Lee

    Tims Berners-Lee complains about this... Tims Berners-Lee complains about that... For the father of the web, this guy does an awful lot of complaining about it.

    Sometimes, the father needs to take his child down. I think he needs to take more extreme actions. Like domain terrorism, or something.

    1. Re:Stop complaining - start fighting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [...] Like domain terrorism, or something. .BOO

      (too bad urls can't have ! marks)

  36. Reflecting access method or content? by Alef · · Score: 1

    Why create a top domain specifically for mobile phones? I thought the top domain reflected the type of content a site has, or the type of organisation behind the content, not the device meant to access the content. To me it seems sort of like having a .ftp domain. Or are .mobi pages only meant to contain ring tones and such? Otherwise, what is the reason for it?

    1. Re:Reflecting access method or content? by Hope+Thelps · · Score: 1

      To me it seems sort of like having a .ftp domain. Or are .mobi pages only meant to contain ring tones and such? Otherwise, what is the reason for it?

      ICANN carried out extensive research and discovered that there's a lot of money being spent on mobile phones, ring tones, phone scams, cell phone stuff in general. So they thought they'd see if they could get some of it.

      Not that ICANN are only interested in money. It's more the power and sense of importance that goes with the money that really appeals to them.

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  37. Step 3. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Change your name to Roland Piquepaille.

  38. Re:The New Deal: A TLD in every pot! by timeOday · · Score: 2, Insightful
    How long until .coke and .pepsi are top level domains?
    I think that's a good suggestion. Let's do away with TLD's - .com, .net, and .org, since they are useless, and just have http://slashdot./ People who want subdomains could still do so of course.
  39. Unfortunate by mfloy · · Score: 1

    Again dumb politics at ICANN triumph over common sense and usability. This is going to turn into another domain for pr0n and spammers to buy up.

  40. Was that the point of wap? by grahamsz · · Score: 2, Informative

    WAP is very quick to type on a cellphone... i always assumed the acronym was chosen for that purpose.

    1. Re:Was that the point of wap? by fr0dicus · · Score: 1

      True. ".wap" would have been far too obvious for these people, no doubt.

    2. Re:Was that the point of wap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leading, in 10 minutes or less, to the registration of the cellphone porn site wap.wap.wap.

  41. But WHY!? by ozamosi · · Score: 0

    When I want to access the WAP-version of a hompage (since that is what my phone supports), I try wap.domain.whatever, or domain.whatever/wap. These two almost never fails. I just don't understand why you want an additional domain for it. Tim Berners Lee has a point. "When you print money, you devalue the money you already printed" is a very good comparison, actually.

  42. oh dear god , my resistance is futile by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

    The .Mobi follows the loudest idiot
    The .mobi rules

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  43. So Bass Ackwards!!! by ICLKennyG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not only did they put a 4 letter TLD - on a device where it's important to have short URLs but on most ABC phones, it would require 6- pause - 666 - 22-444 8 key presses and a pause!!!!! My suggestion, in just 3 seconds of thinking I came up with 6-7-9 MPW which would give you mobile phone web.

    1. Re:So Bass Ackwards!!! by sachmet · · Score: 1

      Why even go with a new acronym?

      .wap (9-2-7)
      .pda (7-3-2)

  44. sick by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

    Why would someone do this? why? it doesn't make sense!

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  45. I got it! by comzen · · Score: 1


    Quick go register:

    Herman.Melville.mobi
    or
    dick.mobi

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  46. Other way around by jfengel · · Score: 1

    Other way around: .mobi sites are supposed to be accessed from your phone. What you're suggesting sounds more like a way to get at your phone.

    That's actually a more useful idea, and I believe that there are a couple of proposals for such a thing (except that they'd probably omit the wireless provider and just give your phone a unique URL with a specialized TLD, and no registrar.)

    This idea is supposed to be that if you wanted to get google.com specialized for your mobile device, you'd go to google.mobi instead. Not a completely useless idea; just a mostly useless idea.

    1. Re:Other way around by jacen_sunstrider · · Score: 1

      I concur, it'd be interested to host, say, a webserver off a phone through a .mobi address. Perhaps something set up with a camera phone where as, instead of sending the photos to a website from the phone, it would place them on a page hosted through the phone.

      Perhaps, through a php/mysql setup, have a phonebook setup where you can add/view from both the phone and web, so when at a full keyboard it'd be far easier to add in names and numbers.

      Not sure about the costs of this, however. I don't even know the standard costs for checking email, etc. It might be a rather exorbitant fee to have near constant connections. Perhaps a smaller fee for incoming connections, so that this would be feasible?

    2. Re:Other way around by Cylix · · Score: 1

      Yeah, guess it never occurred to them to goto mobi.google.com

      All in all, seems like this is what happens when marketers get a hold of things, but on the bright side the domain registers will rake in more cash.

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  47. Was something wrong with .MP? by Raistlin77 · · Score: 0

    There is already a mobile-TLD... was there something wrong with .MP? http://www.nic.mp/cs/about_tld.html

    1. Re:Was something wrong with .MP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the ccTLD of the Northern Mariana Islands. It has nothing to do with mobile phones, or anything else mobile unless you count a bit of continental drift moving the islands around.

    2. Re:Was something wrong with .MP? by AddressException · · Score: 2, Informative
      There is already a mobile-TLD... was there something wrong with .MP?

      Yes, that's a ccTLD, not a gTLD.
      All you people in Northern Mariana Islands, Tonga, Western Samoa etc... can kiss my ass you money grabbers!
    3. Re:Was something wrong with .MP? by Raistlin77 · · Score: 0

      True indeed, but seriously, why bother with .mobi when you can have .mb? Think about it... if you use standard alpha numeric entry (not T9), .mb is 4 key presses...

      .
      mno(m)
      abc
      abc(b)

      .mobi is alot more...

      .
      mno(m)
      (wait or advance cursor)
      mno
      mno
      mno(o)
      abc
      abc(b)
      ghi
      ghi
      ghi(i)

      That's 10 key presses(9 if you wait instead of advancing cursor).

      If you use T9 input, it's 5 (mobi is the first possible partial word assumed by T9 text input), however, most domains do not solely consist of only 1 dictionary word and nothing else, so T9 is mostly impractical for web address entry to start with.

    4. Re:Was something wrong with .MP? by Black+Perl · · Score: 1

      however, most domains do not solely consist of only 1 dictionary word and nothing else, so T9 is mostly impractical for web address entry to start with.

      Ah, but you can advance over words and partial words. I find that most URLs can be input faster using T9 if you look for the embedded words as you're entering them.

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    5. Re:Was something wrong with .MP? by eyeye · · Score: 1

      All you people in Northern Mariana Islands, Tonga, Western Samoa etc... can kiss my ass you money grabbers!


      they could take one cheek each.
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  48. Alternative Registrations by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Re:Alternative Registrations by greenguy · · Score: 1

      Don't forget Moby. And Herman Melville.

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  49. How about just using numbers? by baddogatl · · Score: 1

    If internet addresses are numbers and phones are excellent at dialing numbers, why not just use the IP address as a decimal number?

    Dialing 429-496-7295 (4,294,967,295) certainly wouldn't be difficult. That number translates to the IP address 255.255.255.255.

    I dial numbers like that all the time. Just assign it a prefix (like *9 or #9 or something).

    1. Re:How about just using numbers? by CrosbieFitch · · Score: 1

      You could also utilise the telephone letter codings for each digit and permit variable length alphabetical names, but then you'd need ICANN or someone like it to arbitrate over collisions - or perhaps you permit collisions but allow the user to scroll through them all (ideally in registration date order).

    2. Re:How about just using numbers? by typobox43 · · Score: 1

      .. and hope that nothing you want to visit is a virtual host.

  50. A certain techno artist is soon to resurface... by suitepotato · · Score: 1

    moby.mobi... Why do I want to reach for my revolver?

    We could spend all day inventing stupid domains and take bets on which ones get taken seriously. Good money that .moto or .beepbeep or .cargobeepbeep would get actually looked at for mobile IP devices mounted in cars...

    Insert rolling eyes emoticon here, set to infinite loop...

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    1. Re:A certain techno artist is soon to resurface... by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      Soon to come (pun intended): erotic literature classics at dick.mobi

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    2. Re:A certain techno artist is soon to resurface... by Kiryat+Malachi · · Score: 1

      I want to reach for my revolver for your suggesting that that song was that no talent hack Moby's to begin with.

      It's a cover of a song by the excellent band Mission of Burma. Remember that song Academy Fight Song? The one REM covered? That's theirs too.

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  51. Why is TBL mad? by LionKimbro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He says it will devalue existing domain names.

    Okay, so: What's wrong with that?

    These are mnemonics, not currencies.

    Their intent was never to be a currency. Just mnemonics.

    If you are buying up names because you think they'll be valuable later on, you're doing something dumb. The names system doesn't owe you anything. You aren't owed a profit on names.

    Let the names be plentiful.

    1. Re:Why is TBL mad? by Spad · · Score: 1

      Except now we have yet another TLD which will be underused by its target audience and flooded with spammers, phishers and domain squatters, leading to even greater pollution of search engine results.

      Yay.

    2. Re:Why is TBL mad? by normal_guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not devalue as in currency, devalue as in their usefulness. Further diluting the TLD pool only results in more confusion for customers and more money for registrars.

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    3. Re:Why is TBL mad? by the+grace+of+R'hllor · · Score: 1

      Congratulations, consumer, you have been brainwashed successfully.

      "Value": the quality (positive or negative) that renders something desirable or valuable

      doohickey.net is going to be less easily found if there's ten other TLDs than if there are only two.

  52. I really hope this decision gets CANNED by Dakrin1 · · Score: 1

    Get it, CANN'ed.. ;)

  53. So what??? by Ossifer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Who cares about Tim Berners-Lee? TLDs existed for decades before anyone every heard of of him.

    Maybe we should also consider Al Gore's input?

  54. ICANN suck by Toby+The+Economist · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    See title :-)

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  55. Oh come on now.... by Ant2 · · Score: 1

    ...just how many cell phone are going to be running web servers anyway?!?!

    (sorry)

    1. Re:Oh come on now.... by Marc2k · · Score: 1

      You laugh now, some people have already responded that _seriously_ thought that was the case.

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    2. Re:Oh come on now.... by Ant2 · · Score: 1

      Actually, there is a valid point in there somewhere. The TLD (in my opinion) should be indicative of the organization running the website, not the type of browser/client that is expected to access it.

  56. A plug for my company here by ChiralSoftware · · Score: 2, Insightful
    (Warning, company promotion here.)

    The device detection problem is a big one. Tim is right on this. URLs are how we identify sites that we want to go to, not how we identify content. There should be one URL for all content types and the site should do the right thing for the device.

    That's a complicated problem. There are about 1,000 different mobile devices currently in use. Keeping track of them, and the different types of content they need, is tough.

    Most devices can handle one of four different types of content:

    • Full HTML: desktop computers, etc
    • Mobile XHTML: newer phones
    • WML: older or mid-range phones
    • cHTML: DoCoMo i-mode phones in Japan
    Within these four basic types, there are still more questions:
    • Screen size: How big should images be
    • Image types: PNG, GIF, JPEG, or WBMP?
    • Media types: can it play videos, etc?
    • Java types: MIDP1, MIDP2, DoJa, or perhaps even J2SE?
    There's no way to make this work without some specialized software help. One tool is the free open-source WURFL. Another tool is, of course, our own DeviceSource and Mobile Web Module.

    Creating another domain shifts more work to users (in the form of marketing the other URL, remembering it, using it). Users shouldn't have to do work. Tools should do work.

    Anyway, if Slashdot ever wants to get a license to our software to have a mobile Slashdot you can read on the phone, contact us: info@chiralsoftware.net.

  57. Not really. by lheal · · Score: 1

    It's a location, like the country-based TLDs used by the non-US world.

    Whether it makes sense to have a mobile-location domain or not is debatable. It certainly isn't necessary, though it may be desirable. Or maybe there's some pressing need I just don't see.

    The question is, who is going to acquire the second-tier domains? Will it be mobile carriers, so that you get a hostname when you sign up for your phone/PDA service? That seems most likely.

    But why can't they use their existing domain? Maybe while you're traveling in Europe or East Asia, changing countries a lot, and you need a way to address your phone independent of where you are ... no, it still doesn't make sense. Your net connection either comes through someplace you connect to while traveling or it comes through your base back home. In neither case do you need a .mobi address.

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    1. Re:Not really. by coflow · · Score: 1

      I guess that makes sense, but wouldn't you still need the country-based TLD if you were accessing a mobile website? I would think that both country-specific localization and device specific content formatting could be handled through device preferences rather than by adding another level to the domain hierarchy.

  58. New TLDs serve NO PURPOSE. by Evro · · Score: 1

    I still cannot understand why nobody has put a stop to the wave after wave of new, meaningless top level domains that keep getting pumped out. You can't go register www.amazon.info or www.amazon.biz and open a store there, Amazon.com would sue you for trademark infringement (and probably rightfully so).

    As I see it, these new TLDs are only being created to get trademark-concious companies to cough up more money for yet another domain name while having basically no value for either the company or the customer. As soon as .mobi (a ridiculously asinine name, by the way) becomes available for purchase, Amazon is going to register amazon.mobi, and every other trademark-concious brand will do the same. It's not like you're going to be able to register yahoo.mobi or redhat.mobi, or maybe you'll be able to register them, but you'll promptly be hearing from the trademark holders' lawyers.

    None of the TLDs make any sense. .aero? Why does aerospace get its own tld but not the Auto industry, which would seem to be much larger? .museum? a 6 character TLD? So what is the Met, met.museum? That's asinine. .kids makes sense as a white-listed kid-friendly tld, parents could then restrict their comptuers to the .kids TLD maybe. No commercial sites allowed in .kids! Most of the new TLDs just add exponential layers of confusion. Was it on Amazon.biz or Buy.net or Google.info or AOL.name or Disney.kids or ... etc. Just endless layers of stupidity.

    On top of everything else, having a 4-character TLD for cell phones shows just how out of touch ICANN is and why they should not be given any control of the internet, and should have any existing control revoked. ICANN is inept and worthless. The cell phone TLD should be .1 or something like that, something ridiculously easy to enter on a phone.

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  59. Re:The New Deal: A TLD in every pot! by hoggoth · · Score: 1

    MOD PARENT UP!

    Joe public doesn't remember the TLD anyway. They try .com and if that fails they call their tech savvy kids and ask why the Internet is broken.

    TLDs are a bad idea.
    Why would having slashdot.com and slashdot.org going to different sites EVER be a good thing?!

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  60. Man, the Inq has gone downhill by vonPoonBurGer · · Score: 1
    The Inq used to be decent, or at least their staffers could bloody well proofread. From the article:
    Berners-Lee said that even though there is a need for more content that can be browsable from PDAs and cell phones, a separate domain isn't the way to achieve this, Berners-Lee said.
    Bah.
  61. I propose a TLD of .bs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    all other TLD's from the last few years could be merged under it

  62. Follow the Money?? by jasenj1 · · Score: 1

    I know nothing about how ICANN makes these decisions, so this is wild speculation on my part. If I'm on target, those in the know can mod this up or supply their own insightful comment.

    With every new TLD, big corporations with brand names to protect essentially must register their name in the new domain. Chevron, GM, IBM, Verizon, etc., etc. There are a LOT of companies out there with a vested interest in keeping their brand/trademark undiluted. Sure, they can seek arbitration to get domain names back from people squatting, but is it cheaper to just register the name?

    Who makes $$$ from all these "frivolous" registrations? Anyone directly involved with ICANN? If so, then ICANN can't be trusted to make these decisions anymore, the representatives have a profit motive to create more TLDs.

    - Jasen.

  63. System in Turkey? BS by camcorder · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    As a victim of TLD system in Turkey, I can honestly say that adding new TLD without any apparent need is just making things harder for everyone. Turkey is really bad example of this structure. Not only web sites become unstandard and harder to find, but also you can't even get .com.tr and .org.tr domain unless you submit some hard to get legal documents.

    I mean come on, here's internet. In here what you're is what you want to be. Unless you don't do any illegal activity you can pretend to be whatever you are. But in system as in Turkey you can't even prepare a friend community with .org.tr. Or you can't put any kind of commercial service owned by your company on any .com.tr domain name.

    Ironically though, Turkey instead has some clever TLDs worse than what ICANN is pushing. Like .gen.tr. Guess what it stands for. 'generic'. If you'll get an internet address w/o a company name, or you don't have legal rights to form a foundation you have to buy this one.

    Let's move further other TLDs in Turkey. '.name.tr', which you should get with your name. Bleh. This is cheapest offered domain and unless there's a conflict over it you can get any name, so that's my alltime purchase. There's also stupidist '.tel.tr' which is for your Telephone number!?

    It's even worse, there're dozens of TLDs like .pol.tr, for 'Police', and '.av.tr' for 'Lawyers'. And '.bel.tr' for municipies. And I really wonder how many regitrants those domains have. Not to mention they choosed names half English half Turkish which is unsuprisingly dumpest selection of abbreviations.

    As I said you can't get basic '.com.tr', or '.net.tr' but there're lots of stupid domain names in Turkey. As victim of this stupid TLD system I mostly get international domains. And Turkey is just making worst service on domain name issues. So system in Turkey should be the last example to world community.

    1. Re:System in Turkey? BS by camcorder · · Score: 1

      Ah btw, if you can see the system (it has english texts also) from Turkey TLD System Managers. Yes you url is right, it's nic.tr yet another TLD for registrars, (There is only one site as registrar though, and that's it.) Not the mention UI is really cr*p.

  64. how about for porn sites? by Goobah · · Score: 0, Troll

    Maybe the porn industry should follow suit, and create their own TLD so kids would be less likely to stumble into their sites. That way, parents could just block everything from that TLD, and save the hassle.

    I vote that we create the new TLD of .cum for porn sites.

  65. .mobi by daVinci1980 · · Score: 1

    Hey, people are complaining, but .mobi beats what they were considering before:

    .mobiledevicetopleveldomain

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  66. eminim.hates.mobi? by pintomp3 · · Score: 1

    seriously though, all these TLDs are just making the net more confusing. it used to be you had to remember the part between "www." and ".com". if it was an edu or org, it was still kinda obvious. now you have to remember the proper TLD also, unless every one of your favorite sites buys up all of the TLDs.

  67. TBL is right by archnerd · · Score: 1

    The appropriate means of accomodating mobile devices is the use of CSS @media handheld directive. Mobile users shouldn't have to go to a separate site.

  68. Why this is a bad thing by Spydr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why this is bad has been covered before...

    Tim Berners-Lee talked about it over a year ago, and many other people have covered the reasons why it's bad.

    The main reason being that creating top level domain names for specific devices is dumb. Cell phones / mobile devices may be hot shit right now, but what happens in 10 years when every device we own had access to the web... will we get a .toaster tld? what about .fridge or .car?

    User agents have content negotiation and identify themselves for a reason. that is what should be used, not the TLD to determine content.

  69. How about not using top-level domains at all? by eyefish · · Score: 1

    When will it end for us to keep adding stupid top-level domains without any form of objective thinking (i.e.: do people REALLY think that .xxx will block pornography for kids and that all pornography will move to the .xxx domain?). I think there's a lot of politics and money involved in all this and little common sense.

    I think a more productive thing might be for we to get rid of top-level domain names altogether and to allow spaces in names, so that we could go to websites by typing things like:
    google
    yahoo
    coca cola
    burger king /.
    the movies

    And a nice side bonus of doing this is that all current top-level-domain-based names would be compatible with the new system (we simply interpret them literaly, with .com and all as one long string). This means that google could now register the domain name "google", while its existing google.com would now become "google.com".

    This also means that almost all networking code will work unchanged (and in cases where people do check for top-level domains to be part of the name, all they have to do now is simply delete the code that makes that check).

    Then, if you want a mobile portal into your website you could tell people to go to:
    mobile yahoo
    or
    m yahoo
    or
    yahoo m
    or
    m.yahoo
    or
    mobile.yahoo

    or whatever you want. Now, isn't this simpler? Not to mention that it allows for way more domain names than today, and it makes it easier for search engines to index your site based on its name.

    The only rule would be that spaces cannot appear consecutively after other spaces, i.e.: "foo foo" is ok, but "foo foo" is not (the browser could take care of leaving only one space if the users types in more than one consecutively), this is to avoid people who exploit people's typing mistakes.

    As for preventing other people to use the equivalent o a second-level domain name within your domain (i.e.: someone registering the domain name "google search") we could simply reserve the use the dot for such a purpose *after* the name, as in "yahoo.movies" or "google . earth" or "ibm.research.lab1.machine1" which even though it looks weird it makes MUCH more sense once you think about it (remember that in roman-derived languages we write from left to right).

    1. Re:How about not using top-level domains at all? by eyefish · · Score: 1

      Small correction in my post above:

      m.yahoo
      and
      mobile.yahoo

      should really be

      yahoo.m
      yahoo.mobile

    2. Re:How about not using top-level domains at all? by cpghost · · Score: 1

      Let the voting begin!

      1. Root should get rid of TLDs and host every name directly: YES
      2. Allow whitespace in names: HELL NO!
      3. Allow non-ascii chars in names (IDN): NO

      Why?

      1. Since .com is capable of handling millions of names without problems, there's no reason root shouldn't be too. The earlier technical limitation is no longer the problem it used to be.
      2. Spaces in file names and domain names are EVIL, for reasons too numerous to explain here.
      3. Non-ASCII (>127) chars in domain names are evil too; because they are extremely hard to key in. Even if we adopted UTF-8 for domain names (so that chinese, cyrillic, arabic, and what not can be supported), it would be a huge pain in the ass to everyone not in the right locale to key them in (or to link to them!). Unfortunately, IDN has been adopted by ICANN anyway :-(
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  70. ICANN has nothing better to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ICANN is largely irrelevant. This is the only way for them to get some press.

  71. Fan Sites by Josilot · · Score: 1

    How long till there's a www.moby.mobi?

  72. Re:The New Deal: A TLD in every pot! by psyclone · · Score: 1
    Um, sorry. That's a bad idea.

    Because our 13 root servers would then need to store every domain name in existance (NS and A records). It entirely defeats the purpose of a hierarchical database, which the Domain Name System is.

  73. not 100% by ChristTrekker · · Score: 1

    Gadsden.info is a good site I have bookmarked. I don't know if the owner uses an email at that domain, though.

  74. Re:The New Deal: A TLD in every pot! by pe1chl · · Score: 1

    That doesn't matter. The hierarchical system has already been defeated long ago. Look at the size of .com
    Servers for .com are running, so similar servers for the root level should be no problem.

  75. Re:The New Deal: A TLD in every pot! by dubious9 · · Score: 1

    I had the same though earlier, but came to the conclusion that it would be hard to implement. For one thing, the root DNS server would have to work even harder.

    Now they have to know everything, not just where to send .co.uk stuff. It would require reworking the heirachial structure of DNS a bit.

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  76. Re:The New Deal: A TLD in every pot! by pe1chl · · Score: 1

    Yes, the hierarchical DNS should be buried.
    It was broken from the day it was defined with the highest level at the right (the UK has used a more logical left-to-right system for some time but in the end it was converted to the right-to-left system crafted by the Americans).
    But the general public does not understand it. Now that the Internet is for the general public, the domain names should be restructured to what the general public expects. i.e.:

    - a flat system, upon which structure can be added as the user of the name (rather than the designer of the system) deems appropriate
    - allow a wider character set, including characters that are now "forbidden" for unclear reasons (like underscore, space)
    - allow international characters

  77. Wrong by the+grace+of+R'hllor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not a location, unless you foresee a great number of mobile webservers. I live in the Netherlands, but I don't just surf the .nl web. Just because I'm using a mobile device doesn't mean I should be restricted to .mobi. My laptop can render HTML just fine. So far, TLDs reflected the type of business, second-level-domains the name of the business, and third-level-domains the service offered by the business (e.g., mail., www., etc)

    Now, all of a sudden, the device you use determines the which domain you must go to. So there's an http://www.icann.com/, but rather than having mobile.icann.com (which is appropriate in the old scheme) you now have either www.icann.mobi or just icann.mobi.

    What does this do for businesses? Well, they'll have to register another domain, otherwise there will be squatting and problems when you finally DO want mobile services. And with a whole lot of businesses that's a whole lot of extra annual cash.

  78. This is the middleman grubbing for more money by Infonaut · · Score: 1
    Even more than previous bizarre new TLDs, this one is all about money. The idea is that companies with successful .com addresses will need to buy .mobi domains in order hedge against encroachment. Whether you already have a mobile-capable website or not, you'll want to grab the domain to protect your existing brand marketing in the .com address. If you have a mobile-capable website you may put up an alternate home page for mobile-only at the .mobi webroot, but there's no reason to maintain two separate sites on separate domains. If you don't have a mobile-capable website, the existence of the .mobi TLD isn't going to make you build one any faster.

    With .tv, and .web already out there, what's next? Why not .pda? Or .cam? When clothes become 'Net enabled, maybe we'll see .gap.

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  79. Re:The New Deal: A TLD in every pot! by timeOday · · Score: 1

    I'll bet over 80% of lookups are for .com, and most of the rest for .org. I won't even bother to look up a reference unless you think I'm wrong. The point is, the few TLD's in use are worthless precisely because their branching factor in the heirarchy is so low. They are worthless technically (for load balancing), and worthless semantically (because there's no relation between all the domains under .com).

  80. Re:The New Deal: A TLD in every pot! by Mr+Smidge · · Score: 1

    As a sibling mentioned, doing away entirely with TLDs is not such a good idea.

    I talked in detail about this in a previous slashdot discussion about the similarly abominable .tel TLD

  81. This domain was created for money only by fluor2 · · Score: 1

    This is just another twist at the Telecommunication companies' way to squeeze just a little more money out of people.

    Look, all phones would soon read normal html like any other web-browser (e.g. look at Opera's reader for mobile phones).

    There's absolutely NO REASON why this mobile-domain should be created.

    TELECOM! WE WON'T BUY ANY MOBILES THAT ARE LIMITED TO .MOBI DOMAINS!

  82. Re: morse code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That may have been a joke about Morse code, but seriously - I handle Morse code faster than I can key anything on a cell phone. I got my Advanced class amateur radio license back before they "streamlined" the certifications, so I had to pass a Morse code test at 20 WPM. Probably faster than some of my friends type.

  83. Re:The New Deal: A TLD in every pot! by timeOday · · Score: 1
    Allowing arbitrary registration of TLDs wouldn't do away with the TLDs we already have - it would add many names (such as "slashdot") without invalidating today's names (such as "slashdot.org"). As such, arbitrary TLD's could not increase name contention.

    Currently TLD's are already fairly useless for that purpose. Try "whois mcdonalds.org". The fight over "sex" would be no worse than the fight over "sex.com" that already happened.

    I do agree with your previous assertion that country codes are useful, but again, I'm not suggesting they go away, or that the existing TLDs be forcibly opened up (i.e. .fr would still point to something in France, as it does now).

  84. First Publicity Stunt by rsadelle · · Score: 1

    Now if only they can get Moby to do a concert to promote it.

  85. Can I register ... by $0.02 · · Score: 1

    dick.mobi?

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  86. they already have a TLD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .gov

  87. Right. by lheal · · Score: 1

    I think maybe my post was too circumspect. All I was saying was that the rationale for having .mobi as a top-level domain was that it was analogous to other TLDs like ".nl" or ".us".

    Saying that .mobi users would have to "stay in .mobi" makes no sense. Using the DNS address as a criterion for presentation doesn't work, either - will there be no servers in .mobi? If there won't be, that's even worse.

    I agree that it's a solution to a problem I don't think exists, or at least it's swatting a fly with dynamite.

    Your cynical analysis that it's all about selling more addresses is probably right.

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    1. Re:Right. by the+grace+of+R'hllor · · Score: 1

      Okay, on reflection I see what you mean. And we're certainly in agreement on the pointlessness of the whole shebang.

      TLDs, in my eyes, provide ways of making servers reachable. The .nl TLD provides access to (mostly) Dutch servers. End-users do not need to be reachable by hostname; reachability by IP is sufficient. Especially on mobile devices, where FTP servers or remote desktop access are not needed.

  88. Re:The New Deal: A TLD in every pot! by psyclone · · Score: 1
    I'd say .com + .net + .org (the gTLDs) are about 80% currently. However, existing ccTLDs are growing in use around the world, in addition to new ccTLDs like .EU. The gTLD namespace has somewhat stagnated.. yeah, there are a lot of new domain purchases, but there almost as many expirations/deletions.

    For future growth, the hierarchical model makes sense. As asia and europe grow in the internet market, ccTLDs (like .cn, or the IDN equivalents) will grow. Granted, semantically, the gTLDs have no use, but the ccTLDs do. Most of the motivation for the specialized TLDs (like .pro, .xxx, .tel, .mobi, etc.) are to make money, as the registy operators and the registries know that the large corporate clients will purchase domains.

  89. Moby Dick by cbittle · · Score: 1

    I wonder how much dick.mobi would sell for? I may register it just to post an illegal copy of the book online for reading with your cell phone.

    Or I'll just sell it off as a gay pr0n site. Hmmm.

    I'LL BE RICH I TELL YOU!

  90. hotkeys? by Dwonis · · Score: 1

    If it's used enough, a mobile phone could have a ".mobi" button.

  91. Generalised to Specialised Namespace by paulkoan · · Score: 1


    It is dumb. Oh yes. The only remotely sensible directory structure is one that gets more specialised "up" the tree and more generalised toward the root, with a smattering of roots.

    All these new TLDs are extending a domain namespace in both directions. Forget the hassle of having to register so many domains, it isn't relevent - it is just the way it is priced.

    Either do it one way or the other. If you are going to have a presence on the internet for mobile user with its own name under your namespace, then fine.

    But either our namespace extends in one direction or the other.

    Right now, I have zencore.co.uk, zencore.com and zencore.biz, all pointing to the same place. And I have mail. and ftp. and whatever. dot prefixed to them all.

    In the context of the way I purchased those domains and the way that domain names work these days, it makes sense for me to have them. In a context that approaches anything like sensibleness, it doesn't begin to make sense.

    The "top" level should be the namespace: 'zencore'. Any specialisation should happen lower down. Whether that be mobi.zencore or zencore.mobi doesn't matter, as long as it is consistent.

    Now I can see some sense in being able to distibute load on the top level servers, but surely the vast percentage of sites are .com anyway, so it becomes irrelevent.

    And the idea of people sharing namespace through ".net" or ".com" or ".org" has proven not to work anyway, phishing being a small example.

    To understand this latest nonsense, it is as usual, a case of following the money combined with short-sighted stupidity.

    This is the process that drives most of the activity of humans as far as I can see.

    koan

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  92. Shortify Mobile by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 1

    You can always use Shortify to access websites from a mobile phone. It's like TinyURL, but the part after the slash is entirely numeric.

    More importantly, you can access Shortify by typing the address out using the numbers on your phone.

    From a PC:
    http://shortify.com/

    From a Phone:
    http://74678439.com/
    (SHORTIFY on the number pad)

    Examples:
    http://74678439.com/1187
    (Yahoo! Mobile)
    http://74678439.com/1188
    (Slashdot Mobile)

    It's not an ideal solution, but it's considerably easier than typing out the full URL using multitap.

  93. Learning disability by Tom · · Score: 1

    ICANN is suffering from learning disability. Their last offers - .name, .biz, .info, .pro, etc. - were... uh... let's say "not exactly very successful".

    Now they do more of the same, as if it would make a difference, which it won't. But it's a typical sign of an institution going downhill if it can't adapt anymore and doesn't learn from past mistakes.

    My bet: Five years from now, ICANN will be either gone, or so unimportant that it could just as well go away because nobody would notice anyways.

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  94. try to type it on phone keypad. by dostick · · Score: 1

    WAP is the proper TLD name for typing on mobile phone keypad. You need to predd only 3 keys once.

    Now to type in "mobi" you need to press 9 keys !

  95. Usefulness of these sponsored TLD's by Xyonz · · Score: 1

    I'm actually at the ICANN conference in Luxembourg right now and I was in an At-Large Advisory Committee meeting when the people who are going to be running .mobi ( http://www.mtldinfo.com/> )announced that it had just been signed in the night before. (And I posted this news to slashdot two days ago, but it wasn't deemed worthy at the time.)

    Anyway, there is a lot of talk about the usefulness of these new sponsored TLD's such as .mobi, .xxx, .museum, etc. Many of them have failed (.museum, .aero) and many have potential (.jobs, .xxx). However these are all aimed at the english-speaking portion of the web, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me because as far as most Americans are concerned, the only TLD's that exist are .com, .org, .net, and .edu. Anything else is just annoying. As far as the rest of the world is concerned, the TLD for their country is the most desirable. For the UK, it's .uk, for here in Lux, it's .lu.

    For those of you that don't know a sponsored TLD is one that is controlled and not just anyone can buy them. .jobs for example will only sell domains to organizations that employ people. .xxx will only sell to the adult industry. These people pay a premium (in the case of .xxx, $10 US per domain) that goes back into the system to make sure that the TLD is going out to the right people, and in the case of .xxx, to make sure domains that are sold are not being used for child pornography.

    The .mobi people seem to have lots of corporate support to their cause, including cell phone manufacturers and service providers, but they have no strict rules that all .mobi sites must be compliant with cell phones. It would be very easy to get a domain and fill it with flash or other code that would simply not work on mobile phones and no one would care.

    It seems to me that .mobi will end up another failed TLD like .biz and .pro