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Google Investors Find New Project

Greg Linden writes:"According to ZDNet, the investors behind Google are at it again. John Doerr and Ram Shriram are investing in Zazzle, a company targeting mass customization by allowing shoppers and store owners to create individually tailored clothes, prints, and other items. For example, customers can choose an image from a large image library, design a T-shirt using the image with online tools, and then have the T-shirt delivered to them. Lands' End, CafePress, and other online clothing stores offer similar mass customization services on a small scale, but Doerr clearly believes that there is a substantial opportunity 'for every individual who wants to create products that are as unique as they are.'"

206 comments

  1. Not so unique... by hedgehog2097 · · Score: 1

    Doesn't this describe cafepress?

    1. Re:Not so unique... by mr_z_beeblebrox · · Score: 5, Funny

      Doesn't this describe cafepress?

      Maybe in a general sort of way, but more specifically it describes the 1990s.

    2. Re:Not so unique... by Oculus+Habent · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cafepress is more broad, without all the buyer customization options. You can changes anything on a customizable piece on Zazzle.

      Despite the article's assurance, Zazzle has been around for 5 years, in one form or another. The Copyright on their web page confirms this. Digital Blasphemy used them for posters while they were still in beta back in 2000. While the product selection isn't as broad as CafePress, the customizability of the products is great... Most interesting (IMHO) is the ability to customize a greeting card and add your own text or pictures inside (or outside). There is a good selection of [fairly] reasonably priced options for the posters, too.

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    3. Re:Not so unique... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:Not so unique... by surprise_audit · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only if CafePress also allows you to custmomizer your online experience... I wonder if Zazzle has trademarked that word yet??

    5. Re:Not so unique... by peculiarmethod · · Score: 1

      While you guys are arguing about this, I'm gonna go zazzle some doritos and coffee before the next article is available.

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    6. Re:Not so unique... by DoorFrame · · Score: 1

      *clap* *clap*

    7. Re:Not so unique... by toomanyhandles · · Score: 1

      nice job, you just turned their site off....

    8. Re:Not so unique... by TPIRman · · Score: 5, Informative

      I've used both CafePress and Zazzle to have T-shirts printed up with a logo on the front and a simple graphic on the back. The Zazzle T-shirt is of much higher quality. You get a larger area in which to print your graphic with Zazzle, and the Zazzle shirt is more comfortable because it doesn't have a big iron-on patch where the artwork is. The Zazzle shirts are a bit more expensive, though: about $2 more than comparable CafePress shirts.

      Compared to CafePress, Zazzle makes it much harder to sell your stuff online in a self-contained space. I think this is where the missions of the two sites diverge. CafePress is basically a site designed to help you set up your little store to sell branded schwag. It is a portal for personal sites. Nobody goes to cafepress.com to shop; they end up on a specific CafePress store that has been linked from somebody else's site.

      But Zazzle wants to be an entity unto itself, and it portrays itself as a clearinghouse for all sorts of printed artwork. If you want to make the items you design on Zazzle available to the public, you have to give Zazzle resale rights to the artwork in perpetuity, with the agreement that you will receive a 10% royalty on any items that are sold. Zazzle wants you to become part of their big community.

      If you go to cafepress.com, you see a pitch that basically says, "We'll help you sell it yourself." If you go to zazzle.com, you see a pitch that says, "Look at the cool stuff Zazzle sells. Why not contribute?"

      I prefer the quality of the printing process (again, I only have experience with T-shirts) on Zazzle, but I wish it had the selling flexibility of CafePress.

    9. Re:Not so unique... by bugninja · · Score: 0
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    10. Re:Not so unique... by ZephyrXero · · Score: 1

      If Zazzle offers black and/or dark color shirts they could easily put Cafe Press out of business...it's the only reason I don't use them.

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    11. Re:Not so unique... by DoorFrame · · Score: 1

      *clap* *clap*

      There we go. Sorry about that.

    12. Re:Not so unique... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope that Zazzle, unlike cafepress, can make the shirt graphic be fade-resistant.

      Cafepress claims their shirts are fade-resistant, but they lie. Wash a cafepress shirt ONCE and it looks like you have owned it for ten years.

      I never buy from cafepress for that very reason. If Zazzle is better, I will give them a shot.

    13. Re:Not so unique... by aklix · · Score: 1

      Cafepress: We do not currently offer the ability to sell dark colored garments or apparel, however, we are actively working on fulfilling this popular request.

      Zazzle does have a color picker, but I'm not sure if it's limited in some way. I would also like to note that zazzle was slow loading (but not slashdotted type slow loading) and fairly difficult to figure out what to click next.

    14. Re:Not so unique... by Oculus+Habent · · Score: 1

      About as dark as the shirts get is a "gray heather". No white printing at this point.

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    15. Re:Not so unique... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CafePress.com offers a variety of products including T-shirts, greeting cards, prints, and posters. Zazzle.com only offers T-shirts, greeting cards, prints and posters. Zazzle offers more choices and customizing than CafePress.

      Comparison of T-shirts
      CafePress (Store #1) uses quality material and image transfer techniques, but has limited availability of T-shirt colors. Prices are slightly lower than Zazzle.

      Zazzle (Store #2) uses quality material and slightly better image transfer techniques, and a better selection of T-shirt colors. Prices are slightly higher than CafePress.

      Comparison of Greetng and Note Cards
      CafePress (Store #1) uses quality material and is only available in sets of six.

      Zazzle (Store #2) uses quality material and is available in quantities of 1 or more.

      Comparison of Prints and Posters
      CafePress (Store #1) uses quality material; order framed & matted (3 sizes, 1 style, acid free paper), or order unframed (3 sizes, heavy semi-gloss paper)

      Zazzle (Store #2) uses quality material; order framed & matted (5 sizes, many styles, 7 types of paper), or order unframed (5 sizes, many styles, 7 types of paper). Zazzle offers much customization.

    16. Re:Not so unique... by Ingolfke · · Score: 1

      Isn't Google the same as Webcrawler?

    17. Re:Not so unique... by HacTar · · Score: 1

      It doesnt look like more different than other similar websites like cafepress & co.
      But spreadshirt look like has a better interface, printing methods, and i can pay in Euro too!

    18. Re:Not so unique... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I prefer the quality of the printing process (again, I only have experience with T-shirts) on Zazzle, but I wish it had the selling flexibility of CafePress.

      I have to agree. I bought a Golf shift from CafePress to support the guys who are trying to knock down Justice Suitor's house to build a hotel and the damn thing is an iron-on. To the point where there's a big not-entirely-clear square around the entire size of the logo.

      I could do an iron-on - I was expecting a decent silk-screen. I'm happy to have supported the cause but I won't be wearing this shirt to any gold tournaments.

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    19. Re:Not so unique... by fd · · Score: 1

      Here's a link to their license agreement.

      http://www.zazzle.com/policy/nonexclusive_license_ agreement.asp

      Among other things, by selling anything on their site you give them a "...nonexclusive, worldwide, transferable, perpetual, irrevocable license to copy, crop, reproduce, publicly display, sell, and distribute the Work and a Changed Work (if applicable) in various sizes and in any manner..."

      I'd probably be a contributor if it weren't for that irrevocable bit. Why not "until I close my account"?

    20. Re:Not so unique... by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      All I want to know is when the so-called word, "schwag" came to mean "enthusiast accessories necessary to demonstrate afiliation with pop culture cool stuff". All my original Kiss T-Shirts are now gone - oh, the humanity!

    21. Re:Not so unique... by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

      Hell, there's no way I'm giving that kind of right to any of my work for any amount of time. That's freaking robbery.

  2. custmomizer by techmeltz · · Score: 1

    Could someone explain the term custmomizer?

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    1. Re:custmomizer by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      I think it's a person that custmomizes things. But I have no idea what custmomization is...

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  3. Already trademarked? by Afecks · · Score: 2, Funny

    Won't they have trademark issues with Zazzle.com?

    1. Re:Already trademarked? by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 1


      Um....why would they have trademark issues with themselves/i>?

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    2. Re:Already trademarked? by notthe9 · · Score: 1

      Aren't they Zazzle.com?

    3. Re:Already trademarked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent (-1) Stupid

    4. Re:Already trademarked? by Afecks · · Score: 1

      Because I didn't RTFA!

      The summary made it sound like this was a new company.

    5. Re:Already trademarked? by Afecks · · Score: 1

      Thank you for being the second person to point this out.

    6. Re:Already trademarked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Won't they have copyright issues? I don't think they (can) control who uploads what.

  4. Is this really new? by OctaneZ · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is it just me, or does the idea for Zazzle seem remarkably close to the idea behind Cafe Press?

    1. Re:Is this really new? by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1

      Sure, but the big difference is that these folks are funded by VC.

      So, you know, in a couple months when they figure out that there isn't a very big market for this stuff, they'll really really really tank, from the overhead they've, no doubt, incurred.

    2. Re:Is this really new? by Oculus+Habent · · Score: 4, Informative

      CafePress [bascially] lets anyone sell stuff through them for royalties (you design, they sell/make/ship it). So does Zazzle. Zazzle also allows you to let buyers add/change your designs.

      Like the T-Shirt, but want the message on the pocket, instead? No problem. Want to tag your items with your name on the back? Done. Don't like the color of the font on that postcard? Change it. Want that poster to be a little shorter? Crop it.

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    3. Re:Is this really new? by tgd · · Score: 1

      They could do very well against Cafe Press if they can sell quality stuff. I've sold a lot of stuff off Cafe Press in the last few years, and its all essentially junk. T-shirts fade very quickly, colors are poor. Hard goods like mugs, frisbees, etc are just cheap. Everything seems to be low-quality transfer images or white stickers stuck onto bottom-of-the-bucket junk.

      A company that does quality merchandise could do very well.

    4. Re:Is this really new? by mollymoo · · Score: 1
      Is it just me, or does the idea for Zazzle seem remarkably close to the idea behind Cafe Press?

      Jesus Christ, somebody gets +5 Informative for repeating something that's in the summary. Not even TFA, the fucking summary!

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    5. Re:Is this really new? by gilroy · · Score: 1
      Blockquoth the poster:

      So, you know, in a couple months when they figure out that there isn't a very big market for this stuff

      Well, I've been using zazzle for at least three years, having been part of the beta group. So I think they're safely past the "couple of months" stage. Maybe you can make money on this and maybe you can't -- but the VCs this time are getting into a business with a track record you can read and interpret. It's not just some vapor.
    6. Re:Is this really new? by dotpavan · · Score: 1
      is it just you or did you not notice that thing getting mentioned in the summary above? and that got moderated to informative?


      so it isnt just you

    7. Re:Is this really new? by lefthand50 · · Score: 1

      How do either of these guys prevent Big Brother from whacking them with trademark infringement when users start throwing up the next cool t-shirt base on a logo or picture?

  5. Meh by ZakuSage · · Score: 1

    Doesn't really sound all that interesting compared to some other things I've heard about.

    On the CBC a little while ago there was an interesting feature on a company that has a local online setup for Ottawa that allows sellers and buyers to haggle. Anyone as cheap as I am can see the obvious benefits in such a system.

    1. Re:Meh by Jonny_eh · · Score: 1

      I live in Ottawa, what's the site? I'd like to use it. Don't tease!

  6. -le is to venture capitalists... by lxt · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...as e- & i- are to Apple :)

    1. Re:-le is to venture capitalists... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      But, whoa, did you notice? App-le!!

      Goog-le!
      Zazz-le!
      App-le!

      Weird-le.

  7. Names by MrNonchalant · · Score: 4, Funny

    First Google.

    Now Zazzle.

    What next? Gejujwh[NO CARRIER]

    1. Re:Names by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
      > First Google.
      > Now Zazzle.
      > What next? Gejujwh[NO CARRIER]

      Fizzle.

    2. Re:Names by Enigma_Man · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm thinking Whibble, or Boffle.

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    3. Re:Names by SeventyBang · · Score: 1



      slubber

    4. Re:Names by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 1

      Fizzle.

      My Nizzle

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    5. Re:Names by CrackHappy · · Score: 1

      Foshizzle my nizzle.

      Who let the dogg out... snoop snoop

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    6. Re:Names by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

      Look out, someone's bound to patent naming businesses "*le" if this trend continues much further.

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    7. Re:Names by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      Jizzle?

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    8. Re:Names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



      You can't patent naming schemes.

      You can trademark and copyright them.

      (but that's what you meant to say, right?)

    9. Re:Names by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

      Fo' shizzle.

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    10. Re:Names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one calls me a Fizzle and gets away with it. Well except that one guy that called me a Fizzle then ran away. Ok so after this day only half the people who've called me a Fizzle will have gotten away with it.

    11. Re:Names by dotpavan · · Score: 1

      hope it isnt embezzle

    12. Re:Names by timothykaine · · Score: 1

      >> First Google. >> Now Zazzle. >> What next? Gejujwh[NO CARRIER] >Fizzle. Fo shizzle, my nizzle..... errmm... dot com.

  8. Could work, but i doubt it... by rwven · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not that this has anything directly to do with google, but think about how many companies have cropped up with new search "technologies" that will be better and more popular than google. How many people here can name any of them that have een covered by /. off the top of their heads? This, i believe, is one of those kinda of industries that is so engrained that everyone likes how it's being done and doesn't want it to change... Amazon and Ebay work great. why will anyone want to go to Zazzle instead? People like to stick with things they know and trust... My prediction is that it will fail. but maybe that's just me. :-)

    1. Re:Could work, but i doubt it... by Fr05t · · Score: 1

      "Not that this has anything directly to do with google".

      I know this sounds remote, but could some of google's money be involved with this? Really I could see google buying, or investing in this company, except it would probably piss off some of "partner" companies. I know.. not very likely but you never know right?

    2. Re:Could work, but i doubt it... by Sububer · · Score: 1
      Sounds familiar...

      /enter time machine, go back 6 years

      Why would anyone want to use Google when AltaVista and Yahoo! are perfectly fine and people are used to using them?

      /back to today

      Of course there is room for a new online seller. Ebay could certainly use a challenger, and who better to step up to the plate?

    3. Re:Could work, but i doubt it... by rwven · · Score: 1

      on the contrary, as soon as i discovered google i started using it and i haven't gone back since... Google offered something better than anyone else and every attempt at doing something better by other companies has proved fruitless... I tried yahoo for curiosity a couple days ago and it tok me 10 minutes to find what i wanted... took about 15 seconds to find the same thing on google...

    4. Re:Could work, but i doubt it... by Sububer · · Score: 1

      On the contrary to what?

    5. Re:Could work, but i doubt it... by rwven · · Score: 1

      to the fact that no one cared about google.... Pretty much all of my friends loved it right away.... the previous post implys that not many people wanted to go for it...

    6. Re:Could work, but i doubt it... by SeventyBang · · Score: 2, Interesting



      Go back to the top and read what Zazzle offers - then you'll see why Amazon and eBay can't fill that niche. Amazon and eBay are working to snag the big boys. That's where the big profits are. They started by grabbing everyone, but as time goes along, the ones who provide the most return for the effort are going to be those who turn the most volume.

      With Zazzle creating the one-offs of the standard product(s), it's now a vertical market Amazon & eBay won't really worry about until it becomes a nine (or more) figure market. Anyone in such a market which would generate eight or nine figures of annual sales won't complain.

      In terms of Google's engine vs. others, I don't think we'll see Google stick to what they have - permanently. They're going to continue to evolve, just as they have as a business.

      But...you wouldn't know that to listen to Microsoft's Ballmer. Any references he makes to Google (in public) makes it sound as though they are a one-trick pony: a search engine. And that's very deliberate. If he can keep the mindset "Google == Search Engine" and nothing else -- whenever he's got a microphone in front of him, there will be a persistent dodge away from their other products.

      One area where search engines will have to help in searching or data mining is to deal with poor spelling. Things such as "it's" instead of "its" is annoying, but not likely to screw up a search one is making. But when keywords which are germane to a search are not spelled correctly, it doesn't matter which engine you use in today's market - you're hosed. And that's one of the things which detracts a bit from usenet's archives (groups.google) from being an even better research tool for problems. I'm willing to bet, however, most people who post problems to email-based lists don't even think about looking there, and probably don't even know about it.


    7. Re:Could work, but i doubt it... by gilroy · · Score: 1
      Blockquoth the poster:

      why will anyone want to go to Zazzle instead?

      Well, as someone who does... I use zazzle to make posters for my classroom, (nice) prints+frames for my relatives, customizable T-shirts for my classes. I make the stuff open to the world, but I'm not expecting to make money on it. Nonetheless I do get a small trickle of royalties, which is money I made without any extra effort.

      Every time I tell someone about zazzle -- and I've been doing that for three years now -- they get excited about it, too. Sometimes these are cafepress users, but they generally switch over once they've tried zazzle. (The two services are more or less contemporaneous.)

      These guys aren't going out on a limb. I don't think zazzle will become the Next Big Thing to Eat the Internet, but they've got a working model and a good userbase.
    8. Re:Could work, but i doubt it... by Sububer · · Score: 1

      No - my post implied that despite the fact that people were saying that the search business was wrapped up, Google came along with a better mousetrap and demonstrated that it was not true. A similar thing could happen to Ebay or Amazon, and I suggested that Google folks would be well-suited to pull it off.

  9. Word of the day? by op12 · · Score: 1

    This startup company, named Zazzle allows both shoppers and store owners to fully custmomizer their online experience.

    Is it Zazzle or custmomizer? Anyone?

    1. Re:Word of the day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Custmomizer is a perfectly cromulent word. It's an application that lets you custmomize grammer and spellign to suit your testes.

  10. A unique online shopping experience.... by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wow, I can't wait. I soooo love to shop online.

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    1. Re:A unique online shopping experience.... by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      Yes, because 160x160 pictures of the box shit comes in with tiny captions which are poorly transcribed copies of what is on the box... that's enough to make a sale from...

      hehehe

      Though to be honest I've been lucky and only been burned once [was a screen protector for my Ipaq, the one I ordered, labeled for my ipaq didn't fit and within 30 mins was peeling off].

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  11. I've used Zazzle... by MaestroSartori · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...and its pretty cool. As an artist, you can use it to get your artwork printed onto say archival-quality paper, or a big canvas, or whatever. As a shopper you can get artwork you like on objects of various sorts.

    Dunno if its something I'd bet a large amount of money on as an investor, since I'm not sure how much money they'd expect a site like that to make, but its a pretty friendly and good site for what it does. Maybe that's enough...

    1. Re:I've used Zazzle... by Monkelectric · · Score: 1

      I've been looking for something like this. I have a few art type things that people want prints of -- but the cost of getting a large format printer is not proportional to interest in whay I have to offer :). I for one, am excited.

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    2. Re:I've used Zazzle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on the quality. I actually like CafePress, but their quality isn't the best, and to top it off it's extremely inconsistent. You get a nice print at one time, extremely dark the next, then so washed out that you can barely see the image the next time.

    3. Re:I've used Zazzle... by ImaLamer · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the nice thing about Zazzle is that you can design something really cool without leaving the browser.

      No need to load up and fsck with Photoshop or Gimp (two programs I can't really use well anyways) as with CafePress and it's relations. You can pick your fonts, sizes and so forth right there in Firefox.

      Now, if I would have worked in the past 4 years maybe I'd buy a few things from them... But it is fun to play with too!

    4. Re:I've used Zazzle... by Joe+Decker · · Score: 1

      While archival paper is interesting to artists, without color management, there's little point to using Zazzle for high-quality reproductions. I have used them for some marketing posters, and they were excellent, and great to work with, but no good color management means they'll miss out on a lot of business from professional artists.

    5. Re:I've used Zazzle... by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      I thought the personalized stamps were kind of cool. Then I looked at the price, and while they're cool, I'm personally not paying 80 cents for a 37 cent stamp.

      Of course, I buy the cheap blue safety checks too, so hey, maybe this will be popular with some people.

  12. Land of the free by hhg · · Score: 2, Funny

    Didn't Amazon already patent e-shopping? By the way, didn't Amazon also patent "Land of the free"?

    1. Re:Land of the free by boyfaceddog · · Score: 1

      ... and the patent process?

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      This just in: Amazon has just patented "hhg". You are hereby ordered to give up your Slashdot UID.

  13. So? by eln · · Score: 1

    So the guys who got lucky and invested their money in the right place decide to throw money at something else. This is sort of the whole idea behind being a venture capitalist.

    Now, if the brains behind Google decided to start another company, that would be news, but VCs invest in new companies all the time. The only notable thing about this one is that the company they're investing in sounds just as shaky as the crap VCs used to throw money at in the 90s.

    1. Re:So? by pete6677 · · Score: 1

      I agree. I think it will be hard for them to be profitable with all of the customization they allow. People will be willing to pay for the novelty at first, but will they sustain a steady flow of business at prices that allow them to make a decent profit?

  14. What? by DrEldarion · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Fully customize their online experience" doesn't describe at all what Zazzle is. The customization comes in the GOODS that are made, not in the experience itself.

    It's basically a glorified Cafepress.

    1. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that customizing is *so* passe. This company is clearly at the forefront of the new online custmomizer-ing wave. Let's hope they patent it quick.

    2. Re:What? by blogeasy · · Score: 1

      The main difference seems to be the community aspect that Zazzle plans to bring to this "customization" service. Apparently artists will contribute artwork and other people can assemble the shirts. Consumers can then pick and choose what they like, customize it, and then buy it.

      Ultimately, for this to be successful in light of other competitors, it will come down to appropriate pricing and some good marketing. I imagine that the venture capital was brought in to enhance the user experience and fuel the marketing engine.

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    3. Re:What? by bleckywelcky · · Score: 1

      The problem is that as this becomes more popular we're going to see hoodlums walking around with shirts saying "I fucked your mom." or with a picture of Goatse on them.

      It would be funny for like... 1/4 of a second. heh

      Then annoying, or disgusting.

  15. Interesting by aftk2 · · Score: 1
    Hmm...like another poster mentioned, it's kind of like Cafepress, with the important difference that the item is customized by the person buying it. So, rather than me being able to choose from various items that the vendor has created, using his or her artwork, I get to place the artwork of one or more people on any number of items.
    Zazzle draws on the creative works of community members and more than 10,000 contributing artists, along with images from partners like Walt Disney, the Library of Congress and others. People can search for and choose an image and then augment it with online design tools before ordering it as a T-shirt, framed canvas, or other item. In turn, Zazzle pays a royalty fee to the artist or content partner.
    I like this: in the past, I've seen shirts for sale through Cafepress that I mostly like, but wish I could tweak to a degree.
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  16. Clothing from the US? by Bananatree3 · · Score: 1

    It seems like they are a true, domestic manufacturer. They are very well known (not necessarily to everyone, but to a lot of people) for their custom image clothing. They say that they can get it to your house in 3-4 days. If they can do this, it sounds like it is not coming on the slow boat from some Chinese sweatshop (Nike, hint hint), but rather good ol' Made in the USA.

    1. Re:Clothing from the US? by mattdm · · Score: 4, Informative

      It seems like they are a true, domestic manufacturer. They are very well known (not necessarily to everyone, but to a lot of people) for their custom image clothing. They say that they can get it to your house in 3-4 days. If they can do this, it sounds like it is not coming on the slow boat from some Chinese sweatshop (Nike, hint hint), but rather good ol' Made in the USA.

      I doubt it. They're probably *printed on* in the US, but the blank t-shirts come from whereever. Their "Premium" shirts are Hanes (which is Sara Lee, one of the worst multinationals for fair trade and labor practices -- way worse than Nike. Ask Google.) They don't mention a brand for their "Basic" shirts, probably so they can change it up with whatever is cheapest at the time.

    2. Re:Clothing from the US? by Quasar1999 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This may be slightly off topic, but I have to say that most of the clothing that I get from the good ol' US of A, seems to be lacking in quality. Yes I get tons of crap from overseas as well. But when it comes to paying $20+ for a T-Shirt, the 'crap' I get from overseas seems way better than the Made in America shirts of the same price (Look at the crap coming from places like ThinkGeek). And at the end of the day, I don't care where it's made, so long as I get the best bang for my buck.

      Now whether this is simply the end retailer jacking up the price of cheap shirts to maximize profits, or if there is just no demand for relatively inexpensive high quality when it comes to American made clothing (I'm talking average, not top of the line designer stuff), I'd take my chances waiting for something to ship from overseas.

      I'm all for not supporting child labour, etc. But I'm also for not being screwed over, and when I pay more for something that's of worse quality, I know I wouldn't feel to patriotic if I was an American. I think the auto industry was seeing the same sort of trend, cheaper better imports... they seem to have started to adapt, but I don't see clothing manufacturers following their path...

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    3. Re:Clothing from the US? by MikeXpop · · Score: 2, Funny
      which is Sara Lee, one of the worst multinationals for fair trade and labor practices -- way worse than Nike
      Hey buddy... Nobody doesn't like Sara Lee.
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    4. Re:Clothing from the US? by TheSync · · Score: 1

      You realize that multinationals, including Nike, tend to pay higher wages and have better working conditions than domestic companies in developing countries?

      They can do this because they have access to better technology, management, and markets than the domestic industries do, and thus have higher productivity. Thus they pay more, and that is why people flock to work at maquilas.

      Look at Johan Norberg's article about Nike workers in Vietnam. For example, they make three times the minimum wage of Vietnamese state-owned industries. The employees talk about how because of these factories, they can now afford to put their children in school, because in the old days they would have to keep the kids working on the farm all day.

    5. Re:Clothing from the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize that multinationals, including Nike, tend to pay higher wages and have better working conditions than domestic companies in developing countries?

      Sources please. Not just anecdotal.

      For example, they make three times the minimum wage of Vietnamese state-owned industries.

      Right. And the last ten years of international attention and pressure have nothing to do with that.

    6. Re:Clothing from the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nike never did anything wrong.

      that was a blatantly false article and in the few cases where third party contractors did do something wrong, nike fixed it and went steps further such as hiring UN ambassadors to investigate other plants.

      Nike may not be perfect, but they never did anything compared to what that article said.

    7. Re:Clothing from the US? by TheSync · · Score: 2, Informative

      The higher wages of multinationals, of course, does not come from their own generosity, or even out of concern about anti-sweatshop group, but from the simple fact that they are more productive than smaller, less advanced domestic producers in developing countries.

      The literature is rich with studies that show higher wages of multinationals:

      'Technological competition' causes U.S. multinationals to pay more

      Even critics of Nike, whose wages and working conditions have become a cause celebre on college campuses, concede that the footwear giant pays higher rates than those prevailing in Asia, where their plants are located. The same pattern is found among multinationals with factories in South America and Eastern Europe.

      "The wage differences between multinationals and domestic firms," writes Dan Bernhardt, a University of Illinois economist, "far exceed the differences in rental payments for buildings and land, or prices paid for domestic raw materials by foreign firms compared with their local counterparts."


      Effects of Multinational Company Investments

      For example, considering the charge that foreign investment leads to depressed wages and thus exploits "host country" workers, Lipsey finds that the opposite is true. "Within host countries it has been abundantly shown that foreign-owned firms pay higher wages than domestically-owned firms"

      The Effects of Multinational Production on Wages and Working Conditions in Developing Countries

      This evidence indicates that multinational firms routinely provide higher wages and better working conditions than their local counterparts

    8. Re:Clothing from the US? by gurulegend · · Score: 1

      Everything is printed in Menlo Park, CA.

  17. press release spam by mattdm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I get this kind of thing in my inbox every day -- excited superlatives pumping up some penny stock or other, in the hopes that the gullible masses will get excited and throw away some of their money. This is the *exact* same thing, except the people behind it are bigger fish and so know how to write a press release that ZDNet will pick up and republish as news -- and then they hit the jackpot when sites like Slashdot republish it as legitimate. Yippie.

    1. Re:press release spam by Jim+Hall · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hype for Nerds. Stuff that doesn't matter.

      I mean, really. We've posted an article not about Google or what Google is up to next, but about the guys that gave Google money and the next project they are funding. This is pure hype, guys. I hope Slashdot got a kickback on this.

    2. Re:press release spam by Karma_fucker_sucker · · Score: 1
      - excited superlatives pumping up...

      You mean like this: Zazzle represents a significant breakthrough in e-commerce and is the ideal advocate for every individual who wants to create products that are as unique as they are," Doerr said in a statement.

      And what really kills me is that Doerr and the others will sell their stake for billions. I just wish I had the ability to think of shit like this so I could cash out big.

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    3. Re:press release spam by paranode · · Score: 1, Funny

      Still mad that you didn't invest in Google, huh?

    4. Re:press release spam by De+Lemming · · Score: 1

      Except for the fact that Zazzle isn't quoted on any stock exchange (yet?), so the masses can't invest.

    5. Re:press release spam by SeventyBang · · Score: 1



      If you had enough to invest, I'm certain they would permit you to do so.

      As far as being a common investor, you'll likely have to wait a bit - unless you want to become an employee.


    6. Re:press release spam by mattdm · · Score: 1

      Still mad that you didn't invest in Google, huh?

      Nah, I'm mad I didn't invest in eBay -- now *that* was an IPO no-brainer. But anyway, yeah, you've got the point exactly of the hook these people are trying to sell: "You missed it last time, but get on board with us now and we'll take you for a ride!"

  18. What about Froogle? by codergeek42 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Froogle

    Aside from the looks, how does Zazzle differ from what Google already has?

    1. Re:What about Froogle? by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1

      It's completely different.

      It's not at all alike.

      In fact, in posting this, you make it obvious that you didn't follow any of the important links.

      You wrote:
      Aside from the looks, how does Zazzle differ from what Google already has?

      You should have written:
      Aside from the looks, how does Zazzle differ from what CafePress already has?

      See the difference?

  19. This is just CafePress, right? by DoorFrame · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure, it's a good idea. And I really don't mind there being more competition in the market, but isn't CafePress already doing this with all sorts of apparel and other easily printable goods? In addition, isn't Stamps.com already doing this with stamps. And aren't there a number of sites that do this with photographs?

    Yeah, printing customized materials cheaply is a great service... and combining the best features of all the currently available sites can only benefit us as a whole, but it's not unique and I'd be surprised if it were a big success.

    1. Re:This is just CafePress, right? by Comatose51 · · Score: 1
      Sure, it's a good idea. And I really don't mind there being more competition in the market, but isn't CafePress already doing this with all sorts of apparel and other easily printable goods? In addition, isn't Stamps.com already doing this with stamps. And aren't there a number of sites that do this with photographs?

      Yes, yes, but Amazon.com already patented that and doing business on the Internet in general.

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    2. Re:This is just CafePress, right? by Izeickl · · Score: 1

      Were there not already search engines, web directories, webmail sites etc etc before Google?

    3. Re:This is just CafePress, right? by gilroy · · Score: 1

      I've been aware of zazzle for about as long as I have of cafepress, which is a little over three years. I don't know why everyone's acting as if this were some vapor startup. It's a going concern that has been producing happy customers for a long while.

      (Disclaimer: I don't know how long cafepress has been in operation. I suspect, however, that it is not significantly longer than zazzle.)

    4. Re:This is just CafePress, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you fail at spelling flickr

  20. It's like Spanish. You need to conjugate. :) [nt] by JimTheta · · Score: 1

    As subject.

  21. New success formula for web sites... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Name them...

    [constanant][vowel][double constanant]le

    I think Snoop Dog had prior art years ago, fo' shizzle.

    1. Re:New success formula for web sites... by TooncesTheCat · · Score: 1

      [constanant][vowel][double constanant]le

      Did Snoop Dogg teach you English? Its consonant you insensitive clod. ;o

    2. Re:New success formula for web sites... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We've got a newborn in the house, so I only got about 4 hours of sleep last night.

      Brain no my function well without sleep. :)

    3. Re:New success formula for web sites... by TooncesTheCat · · Score: 1

      We've got a elitist commenting on someone just because of their UserId. Gogo gadget assumptions!!

    4. Re:New success formula for web sites... by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      You missed an apostrophe.

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    5. Re:New success formula for web sites... by poopooboi · · Score: 1

      No, he's saying that he misspelled the word consonant because he was tired from dealing with his newborn child all night.

      It had nothing to do with you or your UID, although now we have good reason to suspect that any assumptions we *could* make because of it are true.

  22. Nope. by SamMichaels · · Score: 2, Funny

    fhqwhgads.+++ATH0

    OK

  23. Sounds neet...but... by J+Barnes · · Score: 1

    The ability to print archivally is pretty cool, but I wonder who's paper it really is. Zazzle "GOLD MATTE" isn't a paper I've seen on the shelves anywhere.

    1. Re:Sounds neet...but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not "GOLD MATTE". There are quality levels of media available... Basic, Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Platinum; each describes a different quality and/or finish (silver is gloss, gold is matte, platinum [canvas] has one of each).

  24. Pump by mattwarden · · Score: 1

    and Dump?

  25. Nice, but not really news by jurt1235 · · Score: 1

    The investors behind google did it again: Can somebody provide stats that they are always right?

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  26. Zazzle by Fiver- · · Score: 1

    Wasn't Zazzle like a fairy or something that taught you how to read in some lame Apple II game?

  27. Biased Investors by someonewhois · · Score: 1

    Does anyone else see a trend in the names? Google and Zazzle? I think the investors are just biased.

  28. Customised stamps? by RamboIII · · Score: 1
    On Monday, the company will announce a partnership with Pitney Bowes that allows members to buy customized stamps.

    I can see a lot of uses for this, especially in the t-shirt market. Also, they don't have to stop there, they could very easily become the main source for personal customization. Other stores could just use them as a frontline, and do the work themselves. Just like they're going to do with Pitney Bowes.

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  29. Well.... by DietCoke · · Score: 2, Funny

    Last time I checked it stood for "testing to see if any mods are awake behind the wheel"...

    At least we got the results in quickly.

    1. Re:Well.... by surprise_audit · · Score: 1

      And now the front page has been altered, so later readers have no clue what's being talked about...

  30. Fully Customize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    does that mean that I can have naked Swedish girls give me a massage during my online experience, or does fully customize mean, not really "fully" customizeable. We just allow you to set some preferences around..

  31. I hope they fail... by Stankatz · · Score: 1

    ...just for picking such a stupid name. I'm going to start a fast-food chain, but I can't decide whether to call it Flurger Fling, McZozzalds, or Glarglee's.

  32. True, however by paranode · · Score: 1

    Google was also remarkably close to the idea behind lots of early search engines but it ended up giving them the smackdown on market share.

  33. Amazon by MrLint · · Score: 1

    Are they going to have enough money to pay off amazon or its patent lawyers for all the obvious business practice patents bezos has been granted?

  34. Bet on the Green Tennis Shoes Principle by RealProgrammer · · Score: 1

    The Green Tennis Shoes Principle is (roughly) that the Internet brings makes it efficient to market niche products.

    Zazzle looks to allow you to customize your selling experience. It's hoping to let folks like flea market vendors (and they are legion) sell their wares in a custom-looking environment. If it's easy enough, it shoud work really well.

    Ebay, Yahoo!, AOL, et al will probably copy the idea.

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  35. Re:My thoughts exactly by HCIdivision17 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Cafepress is cool, but there are some jokes/phases/logos that would be especially fun if noone else had it. I would see this site catering to not only the got-my-kid's-name-on-a-tshirt bunch but also the geeky inside-joke group - where maybe five of your friends are the only ones who will get understand the t-shirt. It's the ultimate insider wear.

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  36. Awesome! by Jakeypants · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can't wait to customizer my Zazzle!

    I'd also appreciate being able to conflaggle my blunker, but I'll take what I can get.

    1. Re:Awesome! by The-Bus · · Score: 3, Funny

      If anything, I think the idiots that created (and popularized) the words "blog" (webpage) and "podcast" (audio) are now going to turn to "zazzling" everything when it just means customize. Like, the entire blogosphere needs to know about this product. Zazzle your logos for your podcast on a shirt! Let other bloggers further zazzle your zazzle!

      Don't like the way your new Toyota Camry looks? There's plenty of aftermarket zazzlers which can zazzle-ify your car (or "blogmobile").

      I pray this doesn't really happen.

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  37. Well, yes, maybe. by Andrew+Tanenbaum · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I just went to register on the site. I don't see how it is really different to a lot of established create your own product sites. Maybe they will just market better. I agree that there is a lot of variation on what you can create. As they say: "Lots of places offer apparel, posters, and cards - and we do too. But no one else offers the range of sizes, colors or media that you find at Zazzle. And no one else utilizes our state-of-the-art reproduction techniques that deliver exceptional color, feel and resolution. " Hmm, maybe. Maybe. But, what's in it for the punter? If you use CafePress, you can set your own prices and make money. At Zazzle, you get a flat 10%. That's a in anyone's money. The users will make the site, they are effectively selling their creativity - and yet the return is pathetic. Despite the brilliance of the investors, I suggest this company will . And even if it doesn't, it isn't adding anything of interest to the world.

  38. Wow by cmdrTacyo · · Score: 0

    Investing that many million isn't very 'froogle' (This is funny mod accordningly)

  39. Scrollies? by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 1

    Maybe with the money behind Google, Zazzle can finally get their "scrollies" menus to work in Firefox.

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  40. Whooo Hoooo!!!! by El_Smack · · Score: 1

    It's 1999 again! Let the good times roll!

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  41. Grammatical by fahrvergnugen · · Score: 1

    If Zazzle can't even get Your/you're right on a front-facing, high-profile license site, I don't think I really want to trust them with my money.

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  42. Lets part like its 1999... by B11 · · Score: 0

    because it sounds like someone is blowing another bubble.

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  43. What is Zazzle? by h2d2 · · Score: 1

    CafePress + Customized Stamps + Google Investers = Zazzle

    (Oh, and add slashdotted to the list too!)

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  44. This year's tulip bubble... by infochuck · · Score: 1

    Sweet. This could usher in a whole new era of irrational exuberance for investors. Startups by soon-to-be Stanford grads! Who cares if nobody wants what they're selling? They could be the next company trading at levels well beyond their capcity for earning! Call now for your very own castle in the sky.

    Oh, from TFA: "The name Zazzle means 'to embellish something' from the root word 'zazz.'"

    It does? Since when do campanies get to decide their nonsense name means something, much less that the nonsense root word means something, too? Lewis Carroll they ain't.

    Apologies if 'zazz' is a real word.

  45. Whoop-de-do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering these investors think it is wise to invest in broadband over powerline (BPL), you have to wonder about how competent they are at picking technologies in which to invest.

  46. Success! by smileyy · · Score: 1

    Because we all know it was the VC company that was truly responsible for Google's success!

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  47. Copyediting by Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hoo boy, this one needs some cleaning up. The list of offenses includes: wrong capitalization, commas where there shouldn't be commas, no commas where there should be, wrong choice of word (customize/customizer), and no ending punctuation. Following is a corrected version:

    Andrew writes "According to ZDNet, the investors behind the successful search engine Google are at it again. This time, the venture capitalists are investing in a company that promises to provide a unique online shopping experience. This startup company, named Zazzle, allows both shoppers and store owners to fully custmomize their online experience. The full story can be found here."

    1. Re:Copyediting by Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous coward is pleased to see that the editors have replaced the atrocious previous story with a more informative, better written one.

  48. Time tested business model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Associate yourself with a good name.
    2. ???
    3. Profit!

    It works great if you sell out before people realize that you have nothing to do with the "good name".

  49. Re:It's like Spanish. You need to conjugate. :) [n by Dasein · · Score: 1

    I took a little Spanish and I don't get it. None of the "conjugations" of customizer as a subject results in "sodomizer".

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  50. The name Zazzle means "to embellish something" by chemindefer · · Score: 1

    That's pretty obvious when you RTA.

  51. Mispelled. Should be "ZazzOL" by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

    Obviously these investors made the foolish mistake of investing in a mispelled version of Zazzol.

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  52. Not that easy by DogDude · · Score: 1

    It's not coming up with the ideas that lets you cash out. People come up with ideas like this and better every second of every day. The trick is to be able to use all of the lingo, talk to the right people, jump through the right hoops, and figure out how to get people give you millions for a silly idea, and how you can personally walk away with a pile of cash, even if (when) the idea flops. If you know any venture capitalists personally, and you know how to talk to them, and what kind of bullshit they expect, you've gotten past your first hurdle.

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  53. Change anything?? by kjkeefe · · Score: 1

    What about the price? I would definitely shop at an e-store with that kind of customization!

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  54. Cafepress difference(s) by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 1

    The primary difference I can see between other sites (cafepress, etc) and zazzle is that zazzle will simply allow you to contribute creative without requiring you to actually sell the end product (mugs, shirts, etc). This could become a clearinghouse for artists who want to make their stuff available to others for 'mixing' (or mashup, or whatever the term is today).

    If cafepress cut a deal to allow people to search through flickr, for example, use those pics on a mug, then cut the original flickr uploader a piece of the sale, I think you'd have something close to zazzle. This would also make flickr much more valuable (imo) as it would be a triple purpose site (share my fotos, share my portfolio and make money selling my work).

    Anyway, not saying it will or won't work. With enough money behind them, it might. Obviously getting Disney and others to contribute stuff is a big boon. I think this MAY work out in the long run (whether zazzle themselves or someone else) because it encourages the 'mash up' idea people are all excited about these days. Long term it will just be seen as normal to take multiple images and do things with them that they weren't intended for. This is a stepping stone in that direction. Check out a recent wired magazine on the whole 'remix' generation stuff - I think it was July '05 issue (gorillaz on the cover?)

    1. Re:Cafepress difference(s) by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 1

      Well, it looks like I was sort of wrong. Apparently you can't just take any Disney photo and use it on your own product. That seemed to good to be true. Perhaps you can do it with other contributions from other users, but the corporate contributors just allow you to customize the shirt a bit (color, size, etc).

      My original understanding of this seemed much better. :/

  55. Maybe Google will smarten them up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They were incredibly stupid. For years, they ordered their artworks by average ratings... guess what happened... that's right, some artists spent all day giving themselves 10's and their competitors 1's... It was a troll's paradise. You could leave comments on artworks and there's no way to get rid of them except by asking an admin... "Nah, I don't like this one!" Want to piss someone off? Give them a 1! Artist cliques formed, where members praised up each others works and downrated outsiders. A few art spammers generated thousands of fractals to drown out other digital artists. Zazzle advertised their lists, so in effect, whoever was at the top got free advertising. And the solution was so obvious. Just use a ranking formula combining sales and a few other factors. They could have put capitalism to work for them! Now, you see mostly garbage. There are some outstanding works but they are very hard to find. The new investors have some serious ass kicking to do.

  56. Speaking of Competitors by phyjcowl · · Score: 1

    My first thought too, was that this was just like CafePress.com. CafePress has been around for years and has really done a good job refining their services, for DIYers, they're an excellent resource. I'm surprised nobody's entioned Lulu.com yet (especially since it has Bob Young at the helm). One of the really interesting things about lulu.com is that they don't just make books, CDs, etc. based on users' creative content but they also facilitate collaborative work between the people that use their site.

    1. Re:Speaking of Competitors by blogeasy · · Score: 1

      There are also other competitors who integrate the community aspect of this service as well such as Threadless.Com.

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  57. What the world of online shopping really needs.. by wfberg · · Score: 1

    What the world of online shopping really needs, well, at least I'm speaking for the situation in The Netherlands, is for online stores that sell clothes to sort them by size-availability. I'm only interested in things that fit me, and when I can get those (now or in 1-2 weeks). I hate browsing through a dozen pages only to find out nothing is available in my size. I hate browsing through racks in stores as well, but at least you can argue that in a store hanging the same kind of clothes together is more appealing; sorting the results slightly differently on a database-driven site is SO easy, why don't they do it??

    Oh wait, I shouldn't have shot off my mouth like this, now Amazon is sure to patent it.

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  58. Re:It's like Spanish. You need to conjugate. :) [n by eggoeater · · Score: 1

    custmomizo
    custmomiza
    custmomizas.... uh...
    4 years of spanish and that's the best I can do...
    Well, it's probably an irregular verb anyway.

  59. We have a better idea! by teddlesruss · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    A colleague (well okay, a mate) and I have tried several times to get one of our development ideas to Google. It's a project that's just righ for Google and would dazzle Zazzle to a frazzle, it's an idea that's worth billions in turnover per year - and because Google seems to be full of dopey robots, we haven't had a response on even ONE of our dozen emails to any address we could find that seemed about right.

    Is there some secret to getting a very good concept to the right ears in Google? Has anyone ever reached someone in R&D there? Because, the concept we have, will not work for any company lesser than Google. It might work for the MS Empire but it's such a cash cow that my colleague and I decided long ago that it couldn't go there. If anyone loves Google and knows a way to get our idea to someone in that there company we'd be stoked... Sorry this is probably OT but I really want to know how to get in contact, we can take it from there...

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    1. Re:We have a better idea! by AutopsyReport · · Score: 1

      If you have such a great idea supposedly worth billions annually, then it begs the question, why you aren't pursuing it yourself?

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    2. Re:We have a better idea! by teddlesruss · · Score: 1

      ... the capital required - we don't have it and couldn't raise it, Google wouldn't even know it's gone. Start this idea small and it will fail. So yeah if you know someone willing to invest a hundred mill or so, then I'd be developing it myself. And I'd still not have the brand loyalty Google has, so we'd split a market between us rather than getting the whole market to one place... %(

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    3. Re:We have a better idea! by AutopsyReport · · Score: 1
      A hundred million for a web application/service/type of thing? Sounds like you've ballparked 100 million fields too many :)

      I mean, the majority of companies anywhere do not require anywhere near one hundred million (most under a million) in startup capital or operating lines. Something just doesn't sound right here... I hope it was a typo on your part.

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    4. Re:We have a better idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      No, let us say that not knowing how to use the phrase "begs the question" properly means that you are ignorant. Looking at your question, you clearly don't know how to use the phrase "begs the question."

      It therefore begs the question to say that you are ignorant.

    5. Re:We have a better idea! by AutopsyReport · · Score: 1

      And I had sex with eddie murphy.

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  60. I have a patent by Jeet81 · · Score: 1

    I have a patent on shopping cart that allows customers to build their own products.. WoooHooo.. I can see half a billion dollars calling me. (Just kiddin..)

  61. Small scale mass customization? by DaFork · · Score: 1
    ...other online clothing stores offer similar mass customization services on a small scale...
    Shouldn't that just be small scale customization?
  62. It means to customize your mom. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now what some might find unique may be quite offending to others!

  63. t-shiFt ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    then have the T-shift delivered to them

    is this like the red shift, only stronger?

  64. Ain't no Zazz. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There ain't no such word as zazz or zazzle. You are correct that it is their own made up nonsense word to which they are further trying to attach some pseudo folkloric history.

    Sadly, while zazz is not a word, the word "ain't" is now officially in Webster's dictionary. It's a sad day for the English language. Ain't it?

    1. Re:Ain't no Zazz. by infochuck · · Score: 1

      Sadly... the word "ain't" [m-w.com] is now officially in Webster's dictionary. It's a sad day for the English language. Ain't it?

      Not really; I used to think so, too, back when I was an elitist schweinhund (yesterday); I've since come to accept that language is an ever-changing entity; things that were never words become words, things that were slang become mainstream. It fluctuates. Get used to it. How many people speak the king's english these days? It ain't a whole bunch.

    2. Re:Ain't no Zazz. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      american english is a living language, you can invent any word you want, and if it catches on, well then it's american english.

  65. Great -- like pets.com, garden.com & furniture by shashark · · Score: 1
    Overestimating customization & niche market need and assuming that dot-coms-bring-prices-down-mass-market-at-work is a bad business strategy.

    Btw, Mr Sriram has little to do with Google's huge success. He made his billions pimping for the two crazy lads. Google's wasn't even mentioned in his presentation in 1999. Give credit where credit is due.

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    "There is a $5 trillion market opportunity for e-commerce today. " Ram Shriram Circa 1999 AD
  66. Re:It's like Spanish. You need to conjugate. :) [n by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then you need to get your money back. That would be an 'er' verb, not an 'ar' one. custmomizo custmomize custmomizes custmomizemos custmomizen

  67. Buggy site by majest!k · · Score: 1

    Try designing a tshirt, select a bgcolor for the logo from the pop-up swatch, then hit "submit" on the right and the app crashes.

    Then everything else stops working. This happened in Opera 8 and IE.

    Brilliant.

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    smattawichu
  68. I had an awesome experience on Zazzle! by PierreP · · Score: 1

    After reading the wide range of opinions about this new e-commerce company, I decided to go on the website to try it for myself. I found the user experience to be intuitive, fun, and empowering. It was an awesome experience... I highly recommend it for anybody who enjoys creative endeavors... In the past, I have used CafePress, but now I think I like Zazzle better... While Zazzle may not offer as wide a range of products as CafePress, the products that they do offer give the user a much fuller experience! ...more depth and growing breadth... the experienced user notices a bunch of subtle advantages in using Zazzle ... no wonder the greatest VC legends of our time have invested in it!

  69. Mass customization services on a small scale by Pac · · Score: 1

    At first I thought it wouldn't be possible do to such a thing but then examples poured into my mind:
    a) The gym, where I go to customize my mass (it only affects me, hence "small scale", although the wife would object the "small" part)
    b)Nanobots can customize anything in a very small scale - too bad they don't exist yet

    But I don't think small online stores selling personalized itens fit into this category.

  70. D.I.Y. by smilinggoat · · Score: 1

    I founded a company that does the exact same thing.

    We do a process called silk screening.

    Seriously, just do it yourself, it's really easy to make your own clothes, plus it's fun, you get a lot of pride out of doing it yourself, it will be completley unique, and other people are always fascinated by it.

    Just go down to your local art store and ask around.

  71. deviantART by De+Lemming · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Another difference with Cafepress: Zazzle seems to promote interaction through its community. "Zazzle is home to contributors who are individual artists, photographers, designers and creative consumers worldwide. As a contributor, you can choose to make your creations public through a Zazzle gallery, where anyone can browse, comment or connect with you."

    This reminds me of deviantART, which has a huge artist community. The community can interact through the deviantART website (forums, chat, they organise contests,...), and they even have meetups for people to meet in real life. Artists also can sell their works as quality prints in a range of formats, with glossy or matte finish, even framed. They also have stuff like mouse pads, mugs, puzzles,...

  72. No by Sheepdot · · Score: 1

    Investor backing has nothing to do with this market. As others have mentioned, cafeexpress offers this service as well as some people on half.com or ebay. I even tried doing this at one point.

    I ended up tossing the idea because of two main reasons:

    1) To make any money, you have to sell in bulk with the same printing, and usually people just want one or two of the item; be it a shirt with a picture of dad-catching-a-fish or susies-first-bike-ride.

    2) Cost. Your customers want to spend 15 dollars for a 15 dollar t-shirt with their picture on it. They don't think your service provides any value, even though it's the picture they value the most. At first it seems hard, but it's easy to explain; how much value do you put in those sweaters with your name on them that your grandmother bought for Christmas while a child?

  73. CustomInk by TheCabal · · Score: 1

    Haven't tried Zazzle, but have tried CustomInk.com... they have a neato little "lab" where you can design your shirts. It allows you to upload whatever graphics you want, add text, change fonts, positioning, size, color. Seemed pretty complete. We drew up a nice shirt design with our band's logo, did some text and ordered up a few dozen shirts in various sizes so we had something to sell at shows. I really liked the flexibility of the design lab, and I think they were working on the ability to have something printed on the sleeves of longsleeved shirts.

  74. It "could" works by Vlatro · · Score: 0

    What a company like this needs isn't Google's investors, they need google's wide scale exposure. In fact, I suprised that Google hasn't aquired this company for them selves already. There is a huge potential market if it's done right. Though, I think Cafè Press has done it better. Imagine political campaigns where artists could submit their work in support of a canidate, and have a percentage of the proceeds go to that campaign. Or a school fundraiser where the community could get thier team's logo on any product they want with the profit going to the team. Your local zoo sells save the pandas shirts online, with proceeds going to research. Support your local police with a bumper sticker. Print on demand with a built-in marketplace could be potentially huge for such purposes, but it lacks exposure. What needs to happen for this to work? How about a custom printed catalog with all of (or a selection of) the seller's designs and their set price. Mabey a paragraph or two about the seller, and a mail-order option for low tech users. Then I can upload my images, and pay $10.00 for 25 Catalogs (2-4 color pages), and have them shipped to me for distrabution, or Direct mailed on a larger scale by the company based on a mailing list customized to my target demographic. Every Item I upload is given a unique catalog number, and ordering can be done on a frequent, but small scale basis. Profit goes to my account automatically, minus the company's markup. This would be great for small business, non-profits, or anyone. I don't expect however that I can simply upload artwork and people will just haphazardly come across it on their site and order it. The website is great, but better marketing tools are needed.

  75. So who was first to order 'sweatshop'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And did they actually get their clothing, or did they find out that there's still a limit on how unique major corporations want you to be?

  76. Re:It's like Spanish. You need to conjugate. :) [n by mollymoo · · Score: 1
    custmomizo
    custmomiza
    custmomizas

    It all makes sense now, Homer must be Spanish!

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    Chernobyl 'not a wildlife haven' - BBC News
  77. Integration with Froogle and Google Images by Michael+is+Beautiful · · Score: 1

    It would be good if they integrated it with froogle, so if you searched for say a butterfly t-shirt, then you would get a template with a picture of a butterfly from google images.

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  78. they've got slashdot stuff by marksilverman · · Score: 1

    they've got slashdot junk! there's a whole bunch, search for "slashdot".

  79. When can I alter the damn CLOTHES? by Olinator · · Score: 0

    Screw the cafepress model. Picking the design of the artwork on the clothing is a problem that has already been solved, and it's not the interesting problem anyway.

    As someone who NEVER fits into off-the-rack clothes (I'm 5'4", >160lbs, with a 30in waist) what I want is a direct link between the online-order process and a computer-driven seamshop. I want to be able to buy 30waist/29inseam pants with a crotch that doesn't scrape the insides of my knees. I want to order shirts that fit across my shoulders without leaving enough extra material at my waist to outfit a small craft with a spare spinnaker. I want to find dress pants that fit over my thighs and butt without having to go up four waist sizes. I want to specify pocket size, shape, and design; I want to pick fabric and cut. I'm sure the same would hold true for many folks who don't easily fit into mass-produced clothing, regardless of how and why their physiques differ from the garment industry's mythical "average-size person".

    Yes, these things are all possible now with a human tailor, but they are prohibitively expensive (think $5-10k for a bespoke suit using good fabric from a good but less-than-famous tailor, versus minor fractions of that for a mostly mass-produced off-the-rack suit of the same fabric from a known designer.) Cut the end-user cost even in half compared to the cost of tailoring, and you'd have a viable business proposition. Cut it to 10 percent (still more than retail cost for many off-the-rack suits) and I guarantee you'd have all the business you could handle.

    Ole
    (Or, as Captain Picard said to the robo-tailor's programmer... "Make it sew.")
  80. Cafepress Has Been Growing and Changing by Fricka · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I have designs up with Zazzle, with Cafepress, with silkscreen partners -- and I also have my own production capabilities in which I use the processes both Cafepress and Zazzle use to produce items.

    "the Zazzle shirt is more comfortable because it doesn't have a big iron-on patch where the artwork is." Cafepress never used iron-on patches but they have used heat transfers (not available in mass market stores) in which a carrier is used for ink. For the past several years they have been hand trimming the carrier to fit the designs. The trimming is good enough that some customers have mistaken my Cafepress produced products for silkscreen products.

    However, Cafepress is also in beta testing stages for a direct to print process which is essentially printing directly to the items... ink only where ink belongs -- and it looks and feels fantastic.

    Zazzle's Price Structure "The Zazzle shirts are a bit more expensive, though: about $2 more than comparable CafePress shirts." And sometimes as much as $7 more per shirt if you count Cafepress' offer of their Value T-shirt.

    Pricing is the part that gets to me as an artist. The Zazzle shirts are more expensive to my customer and yet I get less per shirt from a Zazzle sale than from a Cafepress sale.

    Additionally... Zazzle doesn't give me any bonus for selling more items while Cafepress has a bonus commission program which makes it worth it to put out the extra marketing effort.

    Finally, Zazzle doesn't let me change the retail prices of my products. There are many times when I'll do a custom design for someone or make a "joke t-shirt" where I want to give my customer a deal and take a little bit off from my profit end to pass along to them. I can't do that on Zazzle. And, on the other side of the coin, I can't charge more for artwork that took me months to complete versus days. This makes a lot of difference to artists who are creating posters and framed prints.

    Zazzle's Portal vs Cafepress's Portal Perhaps you haven't been to Cafepress lately but they have changed it to become a shopping destination as well as an artist's destination. Their home page gives you two choices, either sell or shop. They have a whole Marketplace section now as well. I think this has a lot to do with the attention they (as a company) received during the political election and from various other hot topics. In the past though, Cafepress was definitely less of a shopping destination. I didn't count on them to provide many customers. These days I can track sales that came from their directory.

    Final thoughts: Cafepress' wider selection of apparel styles, non clothing products (you can sell books and CDs for instance), and seasonal stuff was a real bonus for me to use them. However, the pricing and ability to customize my own store front were the real reasons to make Cafepress my primary supplier over Zazzle.

    In the end though, producing items yourself is the best way to go. I've been moving more and more in that direction. Meanwhile, I don't mind if Zazzle gets a little stronger due to this attention, it will just give me and my customers more choices.

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    ~Fricka
    OffLineTshirts.com
    1. Re:Cafepress Has Been Growing and Changing by Colonel+Angus · · Score: 1

      It would be nice if CafePress' Premium service would allow you to run the store from your own domain rather than http://cafepress.com/yourstorename/.

      They've got their name plastered all over the pages with the top banner and a 'powered by' in the bottom.

    2. Re:Cafepress Has Been Growing and Changing by Fricka · · Score: 1
      You can have the appearance of running it on your own domain... at least until the shopping cart stage and sometimes even then. A few people have been selling scripts which you host on your own but use Cafepress' cart. Others have made their own store front which does the same or even takes it one step further (except then the store owner has extra work to do at the end).

      Check out cpshop as an example of one set of scripts.

      Zazzle does not let you escape their interface at all.

      Another notable thing about Cafepress is their attitude towards customization. Before I started using custom scripting, I did a hack job on some basic shops using html to give the appearance of a new store. It was a way to bypass using a Premium store. Cafepress saw it and rather than shutting it down and telling me to buy a premium shop, they actually used it as an example to other shopkeepers of what you could do.

      A year later I ended up getting a Premium shop because it was so much easier to manage and had more products but I was impressed with Cafepress' response to folks using their stores not exactly as they intended.

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      ~Fricka
      OffLineTshirts.com
  81. I'd use it, except... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...much like every other customized retailer I know of, they don't offer black t-shirts. Is this really so damn difficult to do? What gives?

  82. Seem ok ..... by thempstead · · Score: 1

    ... I've used Zazzle.com for several years, (as other people have pointed out they have been around in beta form for longer than stated above).

    I have used them to produce tshirts and posters and while they may not be the cheapest I have had no arguements with their quality or speed of shipping, (I'm in the UK). In fact I have several pictures around my house which I have brought from their web store, (note that I have not used their framing services due to international shipping ... its easier to get things sent adn then deal with that here). The one thing that kept me from using them more is complete lack of any form of artistic talent ... something they can't really be blamed for!

    For those who immediately compare them to Cafepress ... thanks, I'd never heard of that site so will have to go for a browse :)

    t

  83. I've used Zazzle by ZorbaTHut · · Score: 1

    A while back there was a story on the winners of a computer-generated graphics competition. One of them included a link to a Zazzle page where you could buy a poster. Since I had just moved into my new apartment, I ended up going to search several hundred posters more and finally found three I really liked (yes, there's a lot of crap on the site :P), paid for 'em, and they arrived quickly.

    Look great. My only complaint is that one is a *little* lower resolution than I would have hoped - some of the details blur a bit. The others are fine though, so I suspect whoever made that poster just didn't do it in high enough resolution.

    Recommended.

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    Breaking Into the Industry - A development log about starting a game studio.
  84. Bug in system by xquark · · Score: 1

    When uploading JPEGs created in GIMP, the site returns:

    "could not upload JPEG, please use proper JPEG format"

    So I re-save the image with MS-paintbrush still the same error...
    Not very happy, not very happy at all...

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    Arash Partow's Philosophy: Be a person who knows what they don't know, and not a person who doesn't know.
  85. A bad Zazzle experience... by GI+Jones · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The idea behind Zazzle is great, but service totally sucks. I created a shirt and place an order for like 13 shirts as a surprise gag for a friends out-of-town graduation.

    There was no way to guarantee when shipping would occur. They had some process (I forget what it entailed, maybe paying for priority shipping) that allowed you to jump the line and get priority printing. I followed the process and sent several emails through their online forms telling them that if I could not get the shirts before a specific date, I needed to cancel the order.

    Well, with something like a two week lead time, I watched my order and my status never changed. I sent follow up email after follow up email trying to get someone who could tell me about my order.

    Eventually, I had to research the company, find out where in California they were located and then do a company lookup for their phone number (you can't find any of that information on their website).

    I finally tracked someone down via land line and they checked on my order. I called to let them know that if the order wasn't finished, I would have to cancel it. The sales guy told me that the order was finished several days prior and some glitch prevented it from shipping and it was sitting in the warehouse.

    He then told me that come hell or high water it he would get it to me before I left town. I told him I was leaving town at 1:00 PM on a Friday and he said, no problem.

    Well, then next day I called to check up and I was told that it failed to make it out the door because of some other glitch, but to be assured that it was possible to still receive it before I left town.

    Well, Thursday evening, I get a confirmation that the item shipped. When I looked at the detail I noticed that it wasn't sent as a "deliver before 10AM" parcel and that I shouldn't be expecting my package until 4PM.

    On Friday, I logged in to track the package and sure enough, another snafu caused DHL to misdirect the package and I would not receive it until Monday!

    Well, I left for the graduation sans t-shirts and I got a package on Monday for about $150 worth of now-useless t-shirts.

    After a month of leaving messages and trying to get an RMA, I gave up and realized I just got sacked by Zazzle.

    Now a part of Google or not, I will never use them again.

    Just my $0.02 --

    --
    "Perhaps most amazingly, votaries of 'diversity' insist on absolute conformity." -- Tony Snow
  86. Futurama company? by ajservo · · Score: 1

    Wasn't this and Poppler's the only non-trademarked names in the year 3000? What will the people of the future do now?

  87. not news-- a PR announcement by inverselimit · · Score: 1

    I'd call this a thinly veiled PR announcement if it were thinly veiled. Doerr making an investment is news like Bill Gates selling a copy of Windows is news. He does it constantly, it is his job. Moreover this kind of thing has been around since the late 1990s, lots of well-known and less well known companies doing it. I am embarrassed this got parroted on slashdot "products as unique as you are!" sheesh.

  88. News? by barna · · Score: 0

    VC's fund companies all the time, and most of those companies will fail.

    I don't know why this is newsworthy.

  89. oh brother by slashdotnickname · · Score: 1

    for every individual who wants to create products that are as unique as they are

    hey here's a thought... how about letting others judge/care how unique you are by your contributions to the world instead of some crappy t-shirt you "designed" on your computer while in your underwear.

  90. Re:It's like Spanish. You need to conjugate. :) [n by Vengie · · Score: 1

    I use vosotros you insensitive clod!

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  91. T-shirts?!? Only T-shirts?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    C'mon, folks, there have been reports of
    the Japanese custom SHOE makers for years!

    They scan - in 3-D - each foot and make a
    pair of shoes to match the scanned images.

    The Innovation Drought seems to be hitting /. again...

    Sorry, but I think this /. article seems
    better placed on kiddie-slashdot...

    There's an idea for you (or others to try
    - a variation on the SlashDot-theme that
    addresses kids & feeds them ideas about
    technologies in their toys, or whatever
    kiddy-geeks (or would-be geeks) might go for.

    But "send us (or worse: pick from OUR
    image collection) the images & we'll
    print 'em on T-shirts" just doesn't do it.

    My 2.2 cents (incl Aussie GST)

  92. Re:It's like Spanish. You need to conjugate. :) [n by JimTheta · · Score: 1

    Spanish infinitives generally end in -er. That's what I thought of when I read it. Made me laugh, at least.