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Full Debian ARM for Under $200

An anonymous reader writes "With minor elbow grease, you can now set yourself up with a complete Debian ARM Linux box for under $200. This is thanks to Peter Korsgaard, who figured out a cool byteswapped kernel hack for the little $99 Linksys NSLU2. Add a $99 USB harddrive, and the tiny, cute, quiet 'Slug' can run any of about 16,000 Debian ARM packages, 24x7, for pennies per month worth of electricity, since ARM is still orders of magnitude more power-efficient than anything x86. Serve files, music, web pages, printers, backups, kernel images, webcams/motion detection, firewalls/routers, wireless access point... or whatever. Oh, did I mention you can overclock the Slug?"

233 comments

  1. Stereo component by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Where's the $100 ARM device for Debian that includes ethernet and stereo audio out (headphones/speakers)? Even used PocketPCs cost $100, plus $50-100 for PCMCIA ethernet/sleeve.

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    1. Re:Stereo component by anthonyclark · · Score: 2, Informative

      usb audio for $30-$50?

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    2. Re:Stereo component by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Are you suggesting a USB soundcard, on an i386 desktop? The desktop has a cost, of course. And it sucks power, and can't fail over to battery. But worst of all is the fan noise, and it's kinda big & ugly next to the rest of the stereo.

      I want a dinky little device that sucks little juice, set to play a single stream from a Shoutcast server across my ethernet. The server I can put in the closet, and set with playlists, or a cheap old wireless PalmPilot I've got, hitting the server's playlists webpage with a VNC client.

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    3. Re:Stereo component by dartboard · · Score: 4, Informative

      http://www.slimdevices.com/

      get of their older devices for cheap on ebay, they rock. i've got 5 of them scattered throughout my house (3 different models, all running off the same server software on my debian box).

    4. Re:Stereo component by geekylinuxkid · · Score: 1, Informative

      but this device doesn't support the 10/100 ethernet card yet... The device has 32MB of SDRAM, 8MB of NOR Flash, built-in 10/100 (not yet supported in litte-endian mode), and dual USB 2.0 ports. so... i guess add another $30 for a USB 10/100 Adapter.

    5. Re:Stereo component by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called an apple airport express. Bloody marvelous device. It's 802.11g, connects to your wireless LAN, plugs into hifi via optical or phono plugs, and you tell itunes to play to it.

      I'm not an apple fan, and I personally think OS X is grossly overrated, and very irritating in how dumbed down the gui is, but this one function is something I've been after for a number of years.

    6. Re:Stereo component by Holi · · Score: 1

      Hell this thing doen't even have a working ethernet. Makes it kinda useless. Get that working then i'll be *more* impresses.

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    7. Re:Stereo component by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      It doesn't have audio-out, either. That's why I'm looking for another device, that does have ethernet & audio-out, two features that probably cost about $5 to put on a chip.

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    8. Re:Stereo component by pyrrhonist · · Score: 3, Insightful
      so... i guess add another $30 for a USB 10/100 Adapter.

      Or use the Unslung distribution instead, which does support the built-in Ethernet.

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    9. Re:Stereo component by Sir_Real · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'll throw in my vote for gumstix.

      http://gumstix.com/spexExpnsion.html

      They're super small, (shuffleish sized), do usb, ethernet, and other stuff. Runs linux out of the box. XScale processors start at 200Mhz. The price is right too.

    10. Re:Stereo component by delirium+of+disorder · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is wireless ethernet and Linux (but not debian) good enough for you? If so...you can get the ARM based zipit for about $99. It has a normal stereo headphone jack, and what looks like an audio remote jack on it. You have to hack it a bit to actually get it to play mp3's and such, but the manufacture claims it will support streaming audio in the next firmware release.

      http://www.elinux.org/wiki/ZipIt

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    11. Re:Stereo component by CrazyWingman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Gumstix would be great if they would just add USB host capability. I don't care about controlling it over USB; I want it to read data off of a USB keychain drive. :(

  2. Arm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want a Fedora Leg!!!!

  3. So... the question on everyone's mind is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does it run Li...Oh, right... ^_^

  4. It may have... by zegebbers · · Score: 2, Funny
    ARM but does it have a HURD?

    (sorry)

    1. Re:It may have... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you posted it anonymously, you wouldn't need to feel sorry

    2. Re:It may have... by StingRay2k01 · · Score: 1

      Parent post is f.u.n.n.y, not a troll, damn where's my mods points when you need them.

  5. Already hacked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Linksys NSLU2 has already been hacked so you can run your own applications on it. :-)

    1. Re:Already hacked by jaylee7877 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes but having it run Debian opens up a huge number of precompiled applicatons to the NSLU2.

    2. Re:Already hacked by damiangerous · · Score: 1

      Sure, and that was a great hack then. But this is much better. Now you can have a completely standard Debian ARM distro with all the packages available to it.

    3. Re:Already hacked by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1
      But this is much better. Now you can have a completely standard Debian ARM distro with all the packages available to it.

      The Debian installation requires a serial port modification, though.
      Unslung does not, so people that aren't hardware inclined can easily install it.

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    4. Re:Already hacked by ender- · · Score: 2

      And in case YOU don't know anything about the subject, here's the tip:

      There are precompiled Debian apps for more than just x86.

    5. Re:Already hacked by Stupendoussteve · · Score: 0

      Umm... who said x86? Debian currently has precompiled apps for alpha, arm, hppa, i386, ia64, m68k, mips, mipsel, powerpc, and sparc...

    6. Re:Already hacked by cafard · · Score: 1

      Well, you sure aren't terribly familiar with Debian if you believe they only provide x86 packages...

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    7. Re:Already hacked by repvik · · Score: 1

      Which already was done by nslu2-linux.org, using our unslung or openslug firmware.

    8. Re:Already hacked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mods are idiots... fucken fags

  6. Fans of this should check out openwrt.org by kaldek · · Score: 5, Informative

    OpenWRT is a similar thing for the Linksys WRT54G and GS wireless routers. Same goes for the Asus WL500 series. Linux forever! heh

    1. Re:Fans of this should check out openwrt.org by raz0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can't, however, attach a HDD to the WRT54G(S). I've just ordered myself an Asus WL-500g Deluxe with two USB 2.0 ports. Should be nice for a little web server with OpenWRT, though the performance should be poor. 1.3Mbytes/s I've heard. I guess this Linksys device has better USB performance, it being meant for file sharing, though it's not a guarantee. The WL-HDD (connects a regular IDE HDD) can only transfer 2Mbytes/s.

    2. Re:Fans of this should check out openwrt.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad there's no decent UI to OpenWRT.
      Just like desktop Linux!

    3. Re:Fans of this should check out openwrt.org by raz0 · · Score: 1

      It seems, after investigating further that the NSLU2 can trasfer data at around 4-6 Mbytes/s on average. Faster than the WL-HDD, though still rather slow if you want to use it extensively, maybe even having an NFS mount on it.

    4. Re:Fans of this should check out openwrt.org by commanderfoxtrot · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have one of the older Asus WL500G wireless routers. At various times I've had photo printers and USB disks plugged in to it- it's a fantasic piece of kit. You can make it boot off USB and have SSH as well.

      Not blazingly fast, but enough for most of us.

      My Compaq laptop can only do about 1.5MB/sec using SSH anyway. FTP is obviously faster.

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    5. Re:Fans of this should check out openwrt.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love you forever. I have an unused (not for long!) WRT54G lying around. :)

    6. Re:Fans of this should check out openwrt.org by bani · · Score: 1

      Try a gumstix. Not only is it much faster than a wrt54(g|gs) but you can expand it with whatever interfaces you like.

    7. Re:Fans of this should check out openwrt.org by stunted · · Score: 1

      The upcoming ASUS WL-700g will apparently have a standard IDE hard drive inside & be just as hackable, thats the one I'm waiting for.

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  7. I've been waiting for this! by fimbulvetr · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Cheaper, more efficient, faster (Disk I/O wise), more stable, more flexible (apt-get) than the Mac Mini. Not to mention the ability to hack it when I want (The warranty is already void!). Moreover, I don't have to give the litigious bastards (Apple, of course) any of my dough!

    My new media server!
    I can't wait to set this up in a cabinet/closet somewhere and stream video/audio from it.

    1. Re:I've been waiting for this! by FLAGGR · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You do realize that you can install linux on the mac mini, and I'm sure PPC has better support than ARM, or you can just use fink (like bsd ports) to install *nix apps under OSX? Not to mention the mac mini is much more powerfull....

    2. Re:I've been waiting for this! by spiritraveller · · Score: 1

      You do realize that you can install linux on the mac mini, and I'm sure PPC has better support than ARM, or you can just use fink (like bsd ports) to install *nix apps under OSX? Not to mention the mac mini is much more powerfull....

      You do realize that all he wants to do is stream files don't you? And that this is about 1/5th the price of a mac mini?

    3. Re:I've been waiting for this! by tmk · · Score: 1

      The Germany magazine c't has published in the recent issue an howto on running the Mac mini as an media server. The only problem is that the mac mini does only have one Ethernet-Port, so it can't be used as an router.

    4. Re:I've been waiting for this! by qyiet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Moreover, I don't have to give the litigious bastards (Apple, of course) any of my dough!
      I thought that was SCO's trademark.

    5. Re:I've been waiting for this! by fimbulvetr · · Score: 1

      It is, and I've been one of the (helpful?) google bombers for a long time; This, however, doesn't mean that Apple doesn't deserve the same description. When linksys sues me, one of their customers, I might add add them to the list too.

    6. Re:I've been waiting for this! by jizmonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Cheaper, more efficient, faster (Disk I/O wise), more stable, more flexible (apt-get) than the Mac Mini.

      Come again? I'll give you cheaper and more energy efficient but let's not get carried away. I bet you lose the energy efficiency once you plug in an external USB hard drive too.

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    7. Re:I've been waiting for this! by fimbulvetr · · Score: 1

      Come again? I'll give you cheaper and more energy efficient but let's not get carried away. I bet you lose the energy efficiency once you plug in an external USB hard drive too.

      I guess that depends - I don't know the facts for power usage on either, but I'd venture to guess that the baseline draw (Both units equipped with 5400rpm 2.5 inch laptop drives) is much more for the Mini than it is for this. Assuming as much, I'd inevitably upgrade the drive to something like a 400G - and (assuming) the Linksys box draws less in the beginning - it's going to draw less in the end.

    8. Re:I've been waiting for this! by fimbulvetr · · Score: 1

      This is a bit ambigious - my apologies - it meant to read that I suspect the power draw for a (Mac Mini + 400GB USB drive) is more than it would be for a (Debian ARM box + 400GB USB drive).

    9. Re:I've been waiting for this! by chrysrobyn · · Score: 3, Informative
      Cheaper, more efficient, faster (Disk I/O wise), more stable, more flexible (apt-get) than the Mac Mini.

      Cheaper? Granted, by at least 5x. More efficient? Less power, certainly, can't attest to what efficiency you're shooting for -- if its CPU cycles per cubic inch, not likely. Faster? If I put an identical IDE drive on a firewire bridge, the MacMini will be faster than some USB implementation.

      Not to mention the ability to hack it when I want (The warranty is already void!).

      Who cares about the warranty when you're doing something like this? With a Mac Mini, you're not voiding the warranty by loading an alternative OS anyway.

      My Linux box is a PowerMac 7600 with a 500MHz G3 upgrade card, running PowerPC Debian. PowerPC doesn't have all the support of the x86 world in Linux (and ARM is even worse), but Debian provides a great platform to provide support for us non-x86 platform users.

    10. Re:I've been waiting for this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that the emphasis was more on the cheap, and the not giving the litigous bastards money, than on the apt-get.

    11. Re:I've been waiting for this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that the mac mini wasn't made to stream files, so comparing it in the first place is asking for an argument?

    12. Re:I've been waiting for this! by laffer1 · · Score: 1

      Maybe you could add a usb ethernet device to it.. it wouldn't make it a super fast router, but if that was just connected to a cable modem or dsl model it would work good enough for casual use.

    13. Re:I've been waiting for this! by MustardMan · · Score: 1

      Fink isn't like BSD ports, it is in fact based on apt-get. Hell, just yesterday I wanted to plot something on my laptop and popped over to a terminal in my x client and typed apt-get install gnuplot.

    14. Re:I've been waiting for this! by delire · · Score: 1

      Moreover, I don't have to give the litigious bastards (Apple, of course) any of my dough!

      If they were sensible they'd trademark "Litigious Bastard" and clean up. I can't count the number of times I've heard people call them that.

    15. Re:I've been waiting for this! by renoX · · Score: 1

      > Debian provides a great platform to provide support for us non-x86 platform users.

      In this case, Debian support is not so great forcing to use the ARM in little endian while its "native" byte ordering is big endian..

      I know technically the ARM is capable of doing both, but I think there is a small loss of performance using it in big endian mode..

  8. Decent file server... by MindNumbingOblivion · · Score: 5, Funny
    ...that doesn't cost an ARM and a leg.

    Thank you, thank you.

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    1. Re:Decent file server... by multiplexo · · Score: 1

      .that doesn't cost an ARM and a leg.

      Thank you, thank you.

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  9. Yeah, but I have a $50 MIPS box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's not forget the WRT54G

  10. More Secure? by pardasaniman · · Score: 1

    We have all heard software monoculture is bad from a security standpoint... Would running one of these things be more secure than running debian on x86 since the hardware is different?

    1. Re:More Secure? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      More secure against script kiddies, and pre-made attacks that send binaries for execution. If an attack can run an arbitrary shell script, then you are still in trouble.

    2. Re:More Secure? by varmittang · · Score: 1

      No. Because its still Debian, just a different architecture. So if there is a flaw in the x86 version of Samba that Debian is using, then that flaw will most likely be in the ARM version too. As well as all the other architectures that Debian supports.

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    3. Re:More Secure? by blueskies · · Score: 3, Funny

      yeah, without an ethernet it's harder to connect to and pwn.

    4. Re:More Secure? by SA+Stevens · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, but often the 'exploits' people make use of in, say, Samba, involves injecting a little bit of binary code into the stream that runs and gives the cracker root. On a non-x86 platform, the cracker would have to keep around different 'little bits of binary code' to inject. And it's safe to say that script kiddies won't do that. They'll move along to the next box they've found somewhere else to crack.

  11. yes.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    but does it run windows?

    1. Re:yes.. by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you can get hold of a copy of the Windows source code, I'm sure you could compile it to run on this device. Of course it's possible that Windows also has endian issues of its own. But that's because those stupid people at Motorola decided to put the "units" last instead of first. Human beings tend to write numbers that way, because it makes for easier magnitude comparison; but when doing mathematics you have to work backwards: units, tens,hundreds ..... so processor manufacturers such as Intel and MOS Technologies figured to put the units first and the 256es second. 8080 code took up more space than 6502 code so Intel soon found themselves having to put the 65536es third and the 16777216es fourth, but that's by the by. Meanwhile Motorola stuck with their arse-about-face numbers.

      The original ARM1 was a pure 32-bit processor, with a 32-bit-wide word and no inbuilt concept of "byte order" as such. Its instruction set was inspired by the 6502, which powered the venerable BBC microcomputer; but with every instruction conditional. The ARM1 had no NOP instruction as such, but there was a "never" condition {the better for writing automutative code, since one need only alter the condition bits in an instruction to block its execution, but preserve the order bits. A simple loop can "comment out" a vast swathe of program; and, thanks to fully conditional execution, the same code can be used later to restore it by using a processor flag to signal "enable" or "disable"} but this rather wasteful {for the time; memory was expensive in those days} setup was eventually abandoned, and most of the "do something never" instruction codes were reused in later ARM revisions for extended instructions.

      There is only one branch instruction in ARM1 assembly, BL. It makes the jump and stores the address that would have been next in a register. If you know that your subroutine is not re-entrant and you don't need that register for anything else, you don't need to worry about a stack. If you don't care about returning you can just ignore it.

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    2. Re:yes.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i guess i will write bill gates and microsoft and ask them for the source code of windows so i can carry out my project. thx for the info!

    3. Re:yes.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The correct form would be "write to Bill Gates". The incomplete form "write Bill Gates" implies that you would write the words "Bill Gates" {though there should be some speech marks around the phrase "Bill Gates" to delimit it}. After all, one is more likely to omit a punctuation mark {counting a pair of opening and closing speech marks as a single punctuation mark, because they belong together} than a word, especially a preposition which would change the meaning of the sentence by its absence.

      I shall write to Bill Gates <-- correct, implies Bill Gates will be the recipient of the letter
      I shall write "Bill Gates" <-- correct, implies that "Bill Gates" will be the phrase written
      I shall write Bill Gates <-- incomplete and ambiguous

    4. Re:yes.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Its instruction set was inspired by the 6502, which powered the venerable BBC microcomputer;
      > but with every instruction conditional.

      I was wondering for a while what the ARM may have inherited from the 6502, apart from the mnemonics for CMP and SUB.

      Then it suddenly dawned on me :

      *** Two's Complement Arithmetics ***

      However, then they shamefully tried to hide this legacy as best as they could by introducing the highly detestable concept of "not borrow".

    5. Re:yes.. by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      Twos Complement Arithmetic is sensible. Basically it's as though {in 8 bits} you add 256 to any negative number. Since you are already effectively working modulo 256 anyway, then everything Just Works.

      Ones Complement appears simpler {one fewer operation in generating a negative number}; but then there is a correction to do after a subtraction if the answer is positive.

      Once you have gone to the expense of building an adder array {or, in the case of a drum-memory computer, a single adder is plenty good enough}, you can easily have a "carry-in". Now if you put EOR gates {with one input commoned up} on the adder inputs, so you get a selectable inverter, that takes care of the "flipping ones and zeros" part of doing a negation. If you set the carry input then you can add an extra one, which completes the twos complement operation. What's more, the carry-out will be 1 if the answer is positive, and 0 if it is negative. {Do a few and prove it to yourself}. When doing a multi-word subtraction, this just happens to be right for what to use as carry-in for the next higher order word! So you can use one logic array as both an adder and subtractor, if you're prepared to live with the {slightly counter-intuitive} fact that the carry flag is also not-borrow.

      A' = A + B + Cin
      In "subtraction mode" we invert B, which {assuming 8 bit words} is equivalent to subtracting from 255;
      A' = A + (255 - B) + Cin
      If Cin = 1 then
      A' = A + (255 - B) + 1
      A' = A - B + 256

      but since we are working modulo 256,
      A' = A - B
      If (A - B) is negative then Cout = 0. {This situation also indicates a borrow from a higher order word.}

      I would have liked for there to have been a CCA instruction {for clear carry and add} and as SCS instruction {for set carry and subtract} in the 6502, but there wasn't. I'm sure the chip's designers had a good reason for the omission.

      BTW, there is a "tens complement" for working in decimal {and correspondingly for all other bases}. To generate the tens complement of a decimal number, transform each digit of the subtrahend by subtracting it from nine {including enough imaginary leading zeros to match the length of the minuend} and add one. If you end up with an extra one on the beginning of the difference, ignore it. If you don't, then the difference is negative; so just take its tens complement and write a minus sign in front.

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  12. Getting there, but not yet perfect by glowworm · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is a cool project and Kudos to Linksys for using Linux as a basis for their NAS and Routers.

    But TFA says "built-in 10/100 (not yet supported in litte-endian mode)". If I read this correctly the device works, but the network port doesn't. Hopefully someone can correct me and confirm that the ethernet port does work.

    This would be a perfect low-cost always-on media centre server for Slim Devices Squeezebox Server

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    1. Re:Getting there, but not yet perfect by MindNumbingOblivion · · Score: 3, Informative
      The key there is the "not yet supported in little-endian mode" (emphasis mine). Endianness refers to which end of the data the processor starts chewing on first. Big endian means it reads the most significant bit first, little means it starts from the least sig bit.

      ARM processes things in what is known as a byte-sexual method, ie, either big or little endian. What tfa is saying is that eth0 port should work just fine under Debian ARM in big-endian mode (otherwise having this thing set up as a network storage device is pretty useless unless you're planning on exclusively USB hubbing it).

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    2. Re:Getting there, but not yet perfect by damiangerous · · Score: 3, Informative
      What tfa is saying is that eth0 port should work just fine under Debian ARM in big-endian mode

      What it also says is that Debian ARM only supports little endian mode. I closed the page and now I can't get back to it, so I don't recall if he overcame this problem with the ethernet port.

    3. Re:Getting there, but not yet perfect by MindNumbingOblivion · · Score: 1
      Damn, you're right. It says that in order to get Debian ARM running on the NSLU, they had to byte swap it (ie, turn the kernel around so the processor would read it as if it were in big-endian). And the tag next to the mention of the 10/100 interface, is, as the gp said, not supported in little endian mode.

      My hat is off to you, good sir, and I shall await the return of my reading comprehension skills before I make another attempt at an informative post.

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    4. Re:Getting there, but not yet perfect by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1
      If I read this correctly the device works, but the network port doesn't. Hopefully someone can correct me and confirm that the ethernet port does work.

      Read this for an alternative that does work with the built-in Ethernet.

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    5. Re:Getting there, but not yet perfect by pedantic+bore · · Score: 1
      Reverse kudos from me...

      He took a working kernel that supported the network and replaced it with another kernel so that he could get the debian package manager to work. This is backwards. If he wants kudos, he'll fix the endianess problem.

      In the meanwhile, the NetBSD people could probably port their system to this hardware in an afternoon. There's more to life than Linux.

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    6. Re:Getting there, but not yet perfect by SA+Stevens · · Score: 1

      In the meanwhile, the NetBSD people could probably port their system to this hardware in an afternoon. There's more to life than Linux.



      It's even possible the thing is already running NetBSD. Hard to say, but it's quite possible. It's common practice to bring up NetBSD on platforms like this as an early step in the development. And there's LOTS of NetBSD embedded out there. With the lid screwed down (closed source,) of course.

  13. Overclock the slug? by flibble-san · · Score: 1

    Will it overheat? Oh well, no 'ARM in trying

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    1. Re:Overclock the slug? by jaylee7877 · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is not an overclock. For reasons unknown, Linksys chose to clock the unit at 133mhz. The chip is spec'ed by intel to run at 266mhz w/o cooling. So your not overclocking your un-underclocking :-)

    2. Re:Overclock the slug? by tang · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Just to note, I just performed the operation and de-neutered my NSLU to full speed. I went the non-soldering route and just used a boxcutter to cut the resistor in half, then scrapped it carefully off the board. From booting down the slug , till the time it was back and operational was 5 minutes. Very easy procedure, even if you don't have a soldering iron or soldering skills.

    3. Re:Overclock the slug? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1
      For reasons unknown, Linksys chose to clock the unit at 133mhz.

      At a guess, to cut power consumption? That's typically the reason. If you don't really plan to use those cycles, after all...

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  14. Cheap Network Device ? by adisakp · · Score: 1

    But an XBOX cheap when people throw theirs away for XBOX 360 and chip it :-) You can run Linux legally on it and put in any HD you want much cheaper (internal) than a USB drive.

    1. Re:Cheap Network Device ? by Gherald · · Score: 1

      > But an XBOX cheap when people throw theirs away for XBOX 360 and chip it :-) You can run Linux legally on it and put in any HD you want much cheaper (internal) than a USB drive.

      Ah, but then you would still be running x86 -- and that's just not 1337 enough for /.!

    2. Re:Cheap Network Device ? by adisakp · · Score: 1

      Not L337 as ARM but you get ethernet, video output, 2X RAM (64 MB), internal "case" for HD. You can mod the firmware without a chip too if you don't mind soldering a few lines on the MB and following various xbox hacking guides on the net.

    3. Re:Cheap Network Device ? by drspliff · · Score: 1

      Cheaper than a USB hard drive.. eh?

      The last time I checked, I could buy a 250gb seagate barracuda for ~£80 and a seperate USB 2.0 compatible housing case for ~£15...

      The difference between buying the same sized hard disk (from a less reliable manufacturer, i've never had any problems with seagate before) works out to about ~£7-10 depending on where you buy from.

      This started out as an innovative product, with Linksys using Linux yet again to open new avenues in the consumer computing market.. If only they would release the code for the rest of their products (they already released the build scripts for their wireless range of routers after they were hacked into running custom applications and even custom kernels)..

      I've got a standard wired Linksys router just sitting here just begging for me to install Linux on it, although wouldn't NetBSD be a much better choice considering it's being used in much more constrained production environments/products every day!

  15. Re:Practically useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how's the parent flamebait? he's 100% right. this opinion is widely held, especially by hardcore embedded developers. the arm backlash is coming hard and fast, trust me. are slashdot mods completely ignorant of the state and current trends in the embedded market?

  16. Re:Linux Sucks! by kaldek · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Let's just do a search and replace on your post here...

    Oh, did I mention, VHS sucks ass? I mean, come on, there's no excuse with Beta around.

    Guess who lost that one! Just because it's the best techology, doesn't mean it's going to get used.

  17. Re:Linux Sucks! by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not our fault you prefer the never-changing BSD and the 1-button MAC mouse. With the second highest install base in the world, you're bound to get breached.

  18. Think again, homies: by zerocool^ · · Score: 2, Interesting


    From TFA:

    The device has 32MB of SDRAM, 8MB of NOR Flash, built-in 10/100 (not yet supported in litte-endian mode), and dual USB 2.0 ports.

    How are you planning on accessing those files? Hopes and dreams? Network Attached Storage with no Network Attached is just a hard drive.

    ~Will

    --
    sig?
    1. Re:Think again, homies: by jaylee7877 · · Score: 1

      That's what the USB ethernet adapter is for.

    2. Re:Think again, homies: by pyrrhonist · · Score: 4, Informative
      How are you planning on accessing those files? Hopes and dreams? Network Attached Storage with no Network Attached is just a hard drive.

      If you don't need a distro as large as Debian, you can run Unslung, which does support the built-in Ethernet.

      Unslung uses ipkg for package management and has a simple installation using the native firmware. It is very stable, since it has been available almost since the Linksys product was announced. It is actively being developed and you can talk to the developers via IRC at #nslu2-linux on Freenode.

      There is also a Yahoo group for running Linux on the NSLU2.

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      Show me on the doll where his noodly appendage touched you.
    3. Re:Think again, homies: by timeOday · · Score: 1

      ...if it works. You can't assume hardware support for something like this. USB ethernet sounds like the kind of thing likely to cause problems under linux even on X86, for that matter. Frankly I'm relieved when *anything* USB works. For instance, just loading ehci_hcd disables the USB ports on my IBM T40 docking station. USB scanners generally don't work - even the Epson Perfection 1200 I bought specifically because it was supported doesn't work right. The Lego USB Tower can be made to work IF you're willing to run the "right" version of the kernel, and patch it. My Rio mp3 player works pretty well - after my own edits to riotuil.

    4. Re:Think again, homies: by SA+Stevens · · Score: 1

      So you're saying that under Linux, the appropriate USB device is still a piece of black electrical tape over the USB connector??

      I know that *used* to be the case, but I thought (actually, I *know*) times have changed.

    5. Re:Think again, homies: by andreyw · · Score: 1

      -1 Fud I've installed Debian on my 6-yearold Thinkpad over the 'net using some no-name USB ethernet adapter - and that was two years ago. The scanner doesn't work because of a broken USB stack.The scanner doesn't work because SANE doesn;'e support it yet,

    6. Re:Think again, homies: by Dwonis · · Score: 1

      Maybe you have a faulty USB host controller?

    7. Re:Think again, homies: by timeOday · · Score: 1
      The scanner doesn't work because of a broken USB stack.The scanner doesn't work because SANE doesn;'e support it yet,
      Oh, SANE "supports" it, it just doesn't work right. Being on the supported list and functioning correctly aren't quite the same thing.

      As for the USB stack, I've certainly had my share of struggles with it. There are USB problems with suspend/resume on a laptop. And the whole mess with device node creation and permission setting is just scary, and seems often to change with new kernel versions.

      But my real point was not to assume something will work with Linux just because it's a USB device and Linux supports USB (anymore than you would with PCI). Unless it's a "mass storage" device, it probably needs its own driver, and in my experience drivers (for other than keyboard and mouse) are quirky and buggy more often than not. Most of the time I can get something to "sort of" work - including my webcam, mp3 player, lego IR tower, scanner, USB sound blaster, and (until recent kernels) even a USB memory key.

    8. Re:Think again, homies: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a troll or just plain stupid. Who knows.

    9. Re:Think again, homies: by StormKrow · · Score: 1

      Why doesn't someone grab the bits from Unslung and put 'em in the Debian ARM so the Ethernet will work? problem solved.

      --
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    10. Re:Think again, homies: by repvik · · Score: 1

      Or, if you're a bit more hardcore, run OpenSlug which is a firmware-from-scratch solution. Increases the flexibility of the firmware (By allowing USB hubs and more harddrives to be connected, and allows connecting other devices)

  19. Dupe by SoloFlyer2 · · Score: 0, Redundant
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    "I reject your reality, and substitute my own" - Adam Savage
    1. Re:Dupe by SoloFlyer2 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      on closer examination...
      NOT A DUPE
      previous was just hacking into the NSLU2 and adding services... this is actually installing a whole new OS

      --
      "I reject your reality, and substitute my own" - Adam Savage
  20. Edimax routers also are based on linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The company even released the source code for some of its products:
    http://www.edimax.com.tw/
    http://www.edimax.com.tw/html/english/frames/b-dow nload.htm

  21. What about... by JeiFuRi · · Score: 2, Funny

    the debian LEG?

    1. Re:What about... by MustardMan · · Score: 1

      Maybe you meant to say debian LEGO? I'm personally a fan of the little debian castle with the horses and knights, but to each his own.

    2. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last I heard, they didn't have one to stand on.

  22. Performance? by tmk · · Score: 1

    I have a media server and p2p machine on an old Compaq Prolinea Desktop with an 133 Mhz Pentium and 96 MB RAM which runs Debian Sarge. The I/O-Performance is not very good but I can run mldonkey 24/7 without much noise.

    Could this ARM device compete with this? And what is the use of 16000 Debian packages when I can only run very few of them in 32 MB RAM?

    1. Re:Performance? by orkysoft · · Score: 1

      For one, it'll pay for itself quickly if you look at the power usage.

      --

      I suffer from attention surplus disorder.
    2. Re:Performance? by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      And what is the use of 16000 Debian packages when I can only run very few of them in 32 MB RAM?

      Don't say that to the P-75 with 24mb ram at one of the offices I support. It doesn't know that it has too little ram to run exim, apache, samba, hylafax, courier imap-d, squirrelmail, and a few shell scripts to turn it into a fax server.

      --
      Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos
    3. Re:Performance? by SA+Stevens · · Score: 1

      I can do you even better. I have a huge rackmount Compaq Proliant server. It has two Pentium III processors and a whole rack on front for a hot pluggable RAID array of drives. I only paid $10 for it at an auction.

      And it uses even MORE power, makes even MORE noise, and is even BIGGER than your Prolinea system.

      There. Do you get the point??

    4. Re:Performance? by ciroknight · · Score: 1

      You, on the other hand, missed the point completely. Looks like the guy's looking to upgrade (the computer's ANCIENT). You, on the other hand, would be downgrading.

      I think that it probably would be faster, but only marginally.

      --
      "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." G.W.Bush
    5. Re:Performance? by SA+Stevens · · Score: 1

      It seemed to me more like he was challanging it. Implying it had little RAM, etc.

    6. Re:Performance? by apa666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, your P-75 probably has the advantage of virtual memory. Embedded devices usually don't.

    7. Re:Performance? by tmk · · Score: 1

      It has little RAM. In fact I wanted to know, how the performance is. I'm looking for some time for a low power solution, but I think it is not exactly this one.

    8. Re:Performance? by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      You mean a swap file?

      --
      Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos
    9. Re:Performance? by apa666 · · Score: 1

      Yes.

  23. I can't believe it but by axonal · · Score: 1

    we slashdotted Linksys!

    1. Re:I can't believe it but by Mordanthanus · · Score: 1

      For some morbid reason, I find this to be extremely hilarious...

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  24. Dumbassed questions... by absurdist · · Score: 1

    1: Can you attach a USB hub to it and daisy-chain devices?

    2: If so, can you attach a printer and use it as a print server as well as a file?

  25. Re:Practically useless by mikefe · · Score: 3, Funny

    In a word...

    Yes!

    And so am I. Please enlighten us as to why people hate ARM now.

    --
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    Their: Owned by someone.
    Please make sure your english compiles.
  26. Serve This! by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 3, Funny
    Serve files, music...

    And be served with an RIAA lawsuit!

    --
    "It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
    1. Re:Serve This! by Trogre · · Score: 1

      I believe the RIAA has no jurisdiction here

      --
      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
  27. Re:Already hacked - Linux Appliance by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1, Interesting
    The Linksys NSLU2 has already been hacked so you can run your own applications on it.

    So why doesn't Linksys admit the obvious and start selling a Linux Appliance sans WiFi hardware? They could increase volume, lower costs, and expand into a new area.

    --
    "It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
  28. Yes and yes by 77Punker · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure the daisy-chain thing works for any USB 2.0 port up to 256 devices.

    Also, any Linux compatible USB printer should work since it runs Linux and has a USB port.

  29. Project page slashdotted, but I have questions... by PsychoKiller · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Can it use other USB 2.0 peripherals?

    How much power does it consume? Better than a WRT54G?

    Can it be further underclocked?

  30. laptop replacement? by planckscale · · Score: 1
    Okay so would this be an improvement over my laptop at home (PIII800 + 380MB PC100 & 10GB HD + wireless)? I leave it on at home all the time mostly in order to occasionally pop in and start a bittorrent download or FTP. Also, what hardware would I need to get this on a wireless network?

    --
    Namaste
    1. Re:laptop replacement? by Procyon101 · · Score: 1

      Not even close. Figure a Dhrystone of 1.3K per Mhz for this ARM proc, and 2K per Mhz for the PIII.

      The default Dhrystone for this box: 173K
      Overclocked to 266: 346K

      Your PIII 800: 1600K

  31. Linux Sucks!-Backdoor OS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "With the second highest install base in the world, you're bound to get breached."

    Goatse/OS

  32. The summary forgot to mention by bersl2 · · Score: 1

    that you'll be needing to add your own serial port.

    1. Re:The summary forgot to mention by jaylee7877 · · Score: 1

      I know, and it had me all excited too :-( I'm playing around with Debian's auto-install text file (sort of like unattend.txt on Windows or kickstart on RHEL) and see if I can skip the serial port...

    2. Re:The summary forgot to mention by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1
      I know, and it had me all excited too :-( I'm playing around with Debian's auto-install text file (sort of like unattend.txt on Windows or kickstart on RHEL) and see if I can skip the serial port...

      You can also try using Unslung. They you don't have to do either hack!

      --
      Show me on the doll where his noodly appendage touched you.
    3. Re:The summary forgot to mention by Tekgno · · Score: 1

      Dude, enough pimping Unslung. I don't know how many times you have posted links for it in this thread. The scary thing is that you seem to be modded up everytime rather than getting modded redundant.

    4. Re:The summary forgot to mention by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Who uses a serial port nowadays?

      Also, you can use a USB to serial adapter.

    5. Re:The summary forgot to mention by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1
      Dude, enough pimping Unslung.

      Okay, I'm done. No, really! I can stop anytime I want. I don't have a problem!

      I don't know how many times you have posted links for it in this thread. The scary thing is that you seem to be modded up everytime rather than getting modded redundant.

      I think it's important to point out to people that there's an easy alternative, so they don't have to duplicate effort. Since I didn't see anyone else here from Unslung pimping it, I took it upon myself to reply to everyone who either pointed out issues with the Debian version or wanted to solve issues with the Debian version. Unslung solves all of these issues, so if my posts save people some time, then I've succeeded. This may also spur some of these people into helping with Unslung or OpenSlug, which would be good for everyone. Furthermore, for those people that want to continue with Debian, the Unslung and OpenSlug distros could help them, since the Unslung developers have already solved significant issues with the NSLU2. For example, one guy wanted to get Asterisk running on the NSLU2. Well, Asterisk is already ported for Unslung, so why not try that out first and maybe use that code to add Asterisk to Debian if he still wants to? It will save him a lot of time in the long run, since a lot of the work has already been done. He might also decide to continue to use Unslung, and hopefully submit bug reports back to the community.

      That being said, I though it was also important to try to route people to Unslung, since the developers have worked really hard to come up with a flexible system (Unslung and OpenSlug) for running Linux on the NSLU2. It would be better for everyone to have more developers in this community working to create a better set of distributions for the NSLU2, instead of split between several efforts to do the same thing while not talking to each other.

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      Show me on the doll where his noodly appendage touched you.
  33. iPaq Linux - ARM powered by blakespot · · Score: 0
    Don't underestimate the power of the ARM processors. The iPaq Pocket PC has long been a ripe ARM unix platform:

    http://www.ipaqlinux.com/



    blakespot

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    1. Re:iPaq Linux - ARM powered by daniel23 · · Score: 1

      -- Heisenberg may have slept here.

      if you find out if he did you will never know for how long.
      However, if you figure out if he slept well you'll never know if it was here or there...

      --
      605413? Yes, it's a prime.
  34. Yes, but can I run NetBSD on it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well can I?

  35. Ethernet not supported by alan_dershowitz · · Score: 2, Informative

    NOTE: First page says that the built-in ethernet isn't working under the Debian install yet. Not thinking this will be useful for most people. I'll be getting one when that's worked out, I need a low-power box to run an HTTP proxy on.

    1. Re:Ethernet not supported by HazE_nMe · · Score: 1

      The built in ethernet port works fine in Big-Endian mode, just not Little-Endian mode. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness/

    2. Re:Ethernet not supported by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1, Redundant
      NOTE: First page says that the built-in ethernet isn't working under the Debian install yet. Not thinking this will be useful for most people.

      As I've said before, use the Unslung distribution instead.
      It works with the built-in Ethernet, and doesn't require a serial port hardware modification.

      --
      Show me on the doll where his noodly appendage touched you.
    3. Re:Ethernet not supported by Electroly · · Score: 1

      The ethernet port does, but Debian ARM doesn't. RTFA -- Debian ARM doesn't run in big-endian mode.

  36. Re:Already hacked - Linux Appliance by CaptainStormfield · · Score: 2, Informative

    RTFA. The NSLU has nothing to do with WIFI. Its a NAS device.

    --
    "The dinosaurs died because they didn't have a space program." - Niven
  37. Re:Linux Sucks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    from: http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/20/ 0511247&tid=160
    "Hacking sounds crass. It manifests images of short cuts, jobs poorly done and people most interested in just finishing, no matter what."

    Lol!
    Is it just me, or does that perfectly describe Linux?

  38. MAC by green+pizza · · Score: 1

    It's not our fault you prefer the never-changing BSD and the 1-button MAC mouse.

    Weird, my MAC didn't even come with a mouse.

    Oh, you mean my Macintosh? I don't use the bundled mouse, nor do I use the mouse that came with my Dell at work. Instead I use a pair of Logitech MX-1000 mice.

    1. Re:MAC by JimmehAH · · Score: 1

      Instead I use a pair of Logitech MX-1000 mice

      You must have excellent coordination.

  39. Re:Linux Sucks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    from: http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/20/ 0511247&tid=160
    "Hacking sounds crass. It manifests images of short cuts, jobs poorly done and people most interested in just finishing, no matter what."

    Lol!
    Is it just me, or does that perfectly describe Linux?


    It's just you. Linux devs love what they do. You'll have to look to commercial OSes if you want to see clock punchers pushing out s*** to meet an unreaslistic schedule.

    ps: wrong article.

  40. Re:Linux Sucks! by corvair2k1 · · Score: 1

    Mac and Linux have approximately the same desktop share... The trend is generally around 3%, with Linux slightly ahead.

    w3school stats, highly unscientific

    And, as a recent OSX switcher, you really don't miss the second mouse button... AppleKey + Click works, and it doesn't inconvenience me.

    *has just spent three wonderful weeks discovering his new powerbook*

  41. Unix by green+pizza · · Score: 1

    It's not our fault you prefer the never-changing BSD and the 1-button MAC mouse.

    Don't be a putz. It's not FreeBSD-6-Beta1, but it's not exactly 4.4BSD either.

    http://developer.apple.com/unix/
    http://images.apple.com/macosx/pdf/MacOSX_UNIX_TB. pdf

  42. Re:Project page slashdotted, but I have questions. by jaylee7877 · · Score: 1

    1) Yes, see http://www.nslu2-linux.org/ for more info. User's have succeded in adding USB based webcams, bluetooth, ethernet, flashdisks, etc. It's true USB 2.0 so anything that has a Linux driver that will compile under ARM should work fine.

  43. Ugh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will you be here all week?

  44. Re:Practically useless by mabinogi · · Score: 1

    It's flamebait because of the way he said it, not what he said.

    It's possible to disagree with a point of view without being insulting.

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    Advanced users are users too!
  45. Apples to Oranges... by jevvim · · Score: 4, Insightful
    faster (Disk I/O wise)

    Since both the NSLU2 and the Mac Mini support USB2, I don't really understand how one would have faster disk I/O than the other. Now, certainly, there can be questions about file system efficiency, but you could also say that the Mac Mini (for, granted, 5x the price) could have much faster I/O, since you have 256MB of RAM instead of 32MB for things like read-caching.

    more stable

    I'm very interested as to why the NSLU2 would be more stable than a Mac Mini. Personally, I think the short, square design of the Mini is more stable than the tall, tower design of the NSLU2. From a software standpoint, I'd say the two are rather comparable in stability for comparable activities (i.e., no complaining about 3D games crashing on the Mini when the NSLU2 doesn't even have a graphics chip).

    more flexible

    While the Mini's certainly not a flexibility powerhouse, I don't see the NSLU2 beating it out here, either. Software flexibility? Mac OS X has a lot of software available, both commerical and software libre (GPL/BSD). You can also run GNU/Linux on the Mini, including the Debian distribution with apt-get.

    Not to mention the ability to hack it when I want (The warranty is already void!).

    Open your Mini and replace the hard drive. Voila, both can be hacked at will because the warranty is void! ^__^

    1. Re:Apples to Oranges... by fimbulvetr · · Score: 1

      faster - yeah. For $200 I get a NAS device + (presumably) 5200RPM USB hard drive. Faster, "out of the box" ( yeah, that's not correct - i still have to hack it to install debian) vs. a mac mini w/ a 4200rpm drive.

      more stable - I won't argue about the stability merits of short vs. tall - I don't think we'd get anywhere. I'm talking debian stable - you know. No crappy OSX break your OS/Conf file upgrades. No "Your dock preference file is corrupt so your os won't boot" issues...etc.

      more flexible - 16,000 packages, almost guarenteed to work after an apt-get. I probably wouldn't be able to find many commercial debian ARM linux apps, though.

      Warranty/hacking - Do you want to void the warranty on your $500 box, or your $99 one?

  46. arm != efficency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the arm cpu in this thing sucks ass. thats why it uses "less" power. you get what you pay for. arm != good.

  47. Re:Practically useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not that people hate ARM, it's that these ARM devices are as powerful and expensive as desktop PCs were in 98 and it's dawning on many of the engineers who are tasked with creating them that this "platform" is not the panacea it was supposed to be. People used to play quake 3 arena on systems with lower specs than these toys, yet they barely able to perform such seemingly trivial functions as packet switching and voip.

  48. Re:Project page slashdotted, but I have questions. by jaylee7877 · · Score: 1

    2) Probably about the same, but of course, a external hard drive is going to suck a lot more power... 3) No. The Intel arm chipped is locked at 266mhz. Linksys used a trick to underclock it. The hack simply restores it to the chips normal speed.

  49. If you're gonna go there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hacking it will require strongarm tactics.

    Buying largue quantities means you're exercising your right to bear ARMs.

    People running to get them are conducting an ARMs race.

    A beowulf cluster of these will be called an ARMy

    Stallman's creating an OS specifically for this called GNU/HARM

    They're marketing it and calling it a Linux-Installed Micro Box System (LIMBS) with a monitor called a Linux-Embedded Graphics Station (LEGS)

    1. Re:If you're gonna go there... by kesuki · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just don't cross your ARMs you'd hate to have them conflicted.

      A black-hat hacker with one of these, can be considered ARMed and Dangerous.

      Someone lend me a hand here, because boy is my ARM tired...

      you can always beat a dead joke, with your ARM.

      $define(funny,%pARM)

      If your box ever gets lost or stolen don't forget to shout "I've lost my ARM"

      If you don't keep debian patched, you're APT to say someone Root-ed around in your ARM.

    2. Re:If you're gonna go there... by kesuki · · Score: 1

      When used as a firewall you're sure to keep trouble an ARMs length away.

      You should buy two, and set the hostname of one to Right and one to Left. then you always know where your right and left ARMs are, and what they're doing.

      when you boot up, you're raising your ARM.

      For 'your special' geek this raises the question.. Your ARM, or Mine?

      Don't get all up in ARMs over that last joke... it's just meant to be funny.

    3. Re:If you're gonna go there... by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      You should've logged in to post...that comment would've gotten you a lot of kARMa.

  50. LEND THE PARENT AN "ARM" by MindNumbingOblivion · · Score: 1

    Oh God. Someone mod this boy up.

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  51. Re:Linux Sucks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hehe, indeed.
    OSX on Powerbook is absolutely beautiful.

  52. Read Slashdot post, Read TFA, Order NSLU2. 5 Mins. by flowerp · · Score: 1


    Honestly, it took me 5 minutes from reading the slashdot post until ordering the NSLU2 from amazon. Lol.

    This is so cool. Does anyone know about a USB 2.0 ISDN hardware that is supported by Debian ARM? I want to make this a PBX using Asterisk.

    Christian

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    --- Eat my sig.
  53. If you don't want to mod... by pyrrhonist · · Score: 5, Informative
    To install Debian on the NSLU2, you'll need to do a serial port modification. If you aren't comfortable with modifying your NSLU2, than I suggest running Unslung.

    Unslung can be installed without using a serial port modification, because it simply uses the built-in Linksys web administration to upgrade the firmware to the Unslung distribution.

    Once Unslung is installed, it only takes a matter of minutes to have your NSLU2 running Samba, OpenSSH, Apache, Slimserver, and even Asterisk!

    --
    Show me on the doll where his noodly appendage touched you.
    1. Re:If you don't want to mod... by BitGeek · · Score: 1

      I think the parent should be modded up.

      nslu2-linux.org is the center for work on these devices.

      Glad to see someone has another hack for it, but that site is the nexus of the developer community that's sprung up around it.

      --
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  54. Re: me loves my Sharp Zaurus by void+aint+() · · Score: 1

    let the flame wars begin! *ggg*

    PS: does anyone know wether sd-cards work under openbsd now?

  55. "Debian ARM only supports little-endian" ? by GodWasAnAlien · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sounds like a bug...

    Doesn't Debian run on PPC?

    What exactly are the applications that depend on the backass ints?

    1. Re:"Debian ARM only supports little-endian" ? by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      Umm all the ones that are compiled I imagine...

  56. Router/firewall applications? Ehmm.... by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 1
    And just FYI, to add to that: Before you pick up one of these boxes, I hope you realise it's got exactly one ethernet port (according to description & pictures).

    The article summary sez: "Serve files, music, web pages, printers, backups, kernel images, webcams/motion detection, firewalls/routers, wireless access point... or whatever." (emphasis mine)

    That means the summary is mistaken, since firewall/router type applications are only practical with 2 ethernet ports attached. And I see no expansion slot to plug in a second NIC. Okay, if you're really brave, you might try an USB-to-ethernet adapter, but that isn't something I'd go for.
    1. Re:Router/firewall applications? Ehmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The development web page has a list of USB 1 and 2 Ethernet adapters that work. USB 1 should be good enough for most people's Internet speeds.

      It's also possible to run more than one network over the same physical wire by using virtual interfaces.

  57. Re:But by flowerp · · Score: 1


    >> Does it play Ogg=

    > No!

    Why doesn't it play Ogg?

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  58. Re:Practically useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For those of you who think he's just trolling, take a look at RiscOS.

  59. Re:Project page slashdotted, but I have questions. by pyrrhonist · · Score: 2, Informative
    Probably about the same, but of course, a external hard drive is going to suck a lot more power...

    Unslung supports USB memory sticks, so you don't actually have to use a HD with it.

    Also, I have a 40 GB Segate attached to mine that is USB powered.

    It still might use more power than the WRT54, but at least you don't need anymore power than is available with the NSLU2's adapter.

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  60. X Window? by christurkel · · Score: 1

    Okay thousands of Debian packages but many of them are graphical. Is there a way to hook up a monitor to this beastie?

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    1. Re:X Window? by SA+Stevens · · Score: 1

      A Lear-Siegler ADM-3A has a monitor attached. Use it as a 'coupling device' to attach it's CRT to 'this beastie.' Or use a VT-220 or what-not.

      You'll have to do the serial port hack first, though.

    2. Re:X Window? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need to. X is a networking protocol. You can run the X server on your desktop machine and connect linksys machine from there.

  61. Can't I just... by Trogre · · Score: 1

    install Debian on my Zaurus and be done with it?

    A 400MHz xScale with 64MB flash will beat the socks off this little NSLU2, and you get direct audio in/out, USB, CF and SD storage.

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  62. SessionSaver by meowsqueak · · Score: 1

    This post meant to be useful to you and not condescending:

    If you're using Firefox and you were viewing the page in it's own tab, you could install SessionSaver (or some other equivalent extension) and immediately go back and re-open (accidentally?) closed tabs.

    1. Re:SessionSaver by damiangerous · · Score: 1

      The problem was not that I forgot the URL or wher to find the link, the problem was that I first read the story right when it was posted. Later, when I went to check on that ethernet status the page was Slashdotted and unresponsive. If SessionSaver would have cached the page that would have been useful though.

  63. Airport Express works with Windows by grahamsz · · Score: 1

    works fine on itunes for windows.

    Unfortunately it doesn't work with any on-demand services.

  64. Slug... by Tweak232 · · Score: 1

    That slug must be really pissed off.
    I would be too if I had all that elbow grease in my ARM.

  65. Re:Read Slashdot post, Read TFA, Order NSLU2. 5 Mi by pyrrhonist · · Score: 3, Informative
    I want to make this a PBX using Asterisk.

    I've tried (Asterisk is already ported for Unslung). Unfortunately, the NSLU2 just isn't powerful enough for that.
    You can get one side of a conversation at most, and it's really jittery.

    Try it out anyway - it's an easy install with Unslung!

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  66. handhelds.org, you mean by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 1

    The site you cite is nothing but a ripoff site designed to lure people into displaying its ads. The site is YEARS out of date, has never done anything to forward LInux on the iPAQ, and merely links to those of us who did the heavy lifting.

    Please don't link to ipaqlinux.com. The proper place to find Linux for handhelds is handhelds.org.
    -russ

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  67. Another Option by Ann+Elk · · Score: 1

    The Kuro Box is a NAS-ish appliance with a PPC processor and an internal HD. A Gentoo port is available (currently in beta).

    1. Re:Another Option by tomchuk · · Score: 1

      Hrm, a source-based distro on a 200 MHz box? No thanks. I lasted about 20 minutes of watching portage update, and I yanked the power cord and had Debian-PPC up and running in another 20 minutes on my Kuroized Buffalo LinkStation.

  68. Why USB? by E-prospero · · Score: 1

    I've got to admit, the NLSU2 is a nifty little unit. Even if you're not modding it like this guy, there's lots of potential - you can install your own server daemons onto it (for example, the Twonkyvision UPnP media server can be installed on the device so you can serve media files without having your PC running).

    But why USB2 ports? If you buy the NLSU2 as a home file server, you've then got to buy 2 USB drive bays, and have 3 slots on your power board - probably 5, because the NLSU2 and the USB drive enclosures will all have wall wart transformers and need the extra space between them. And then you have to work out how to organize 3 devices on your desk - and one of them is designed to stand upright.

    The same device, but with onboard PATA/SATA interface rather USB would be fantastic. Is anyone out there manufacturing a similar device (i.e., ~$200, zero/web admin), but with 2 (or more) 3.5" drive bays and an [PS]ATA interface in it?

    Russ %-)

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    1. Re:Why USB? by rookie1 · · Score: 1

      Kuro box http://www.kurobox.com/ - $160. Except it can only house 1 3.5" drive.

    2. Re:Why USB? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why on earth would you put it on your desk? Stick it in the attic/cupboard with your router.

  69. Found it on NewEgg for $79.00 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  70. Yes, by uberjoe · · Score: 1
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  71. Re:Linux Sucks! by fimbulvetr · · Score: 1

    Stats for yesterday's hr2 robot slashdotting:
    http://www.nedstatbasic.net/s?tab=1&link=5&id=3626 496

    10% linux, 7.3 mac.

    Yesterday during the peak of the article it was 60 xp, 20 linux, 10 win2k, 5 mac and other misc.

  72. New uses by JanneM · · Score: 4, Interesting

    [Note: I wrote about this just a day ago here; I'm paraphrasing and shortening it below]

    I just bought myself a wireless router, for the price of 5100 yen (about $45). Of course, it's a real, full single-board computer that happens to have excellent connectivity to everything. Add storage ability and interfaces through USB2 and you can start thinking up some really interesting uses for this kind of gear.

    With the kind of price we're starting to see, there's no reason to have only one. How about having two, three or more of them at home, in different rooms to get good wireless coverage anywhere? They could present themselves as being one single friendly system to its users, transparently talking to each other wirelessly and move data to where it's needed.

    The units with hard disks could be hidden away in closets or workrooms where the noise doesn't bother anyone, while the ones out in the livingroom or bedrooms would would be small and quiet and have extra communications abilities like being able to play music or show movies stored anywhere in the home network. They would act as an external redundant storage (more convenient and much safer than backing up on CD:s or DVD:s), as backup, as household web, mail and IP telephone server, climate controller and general communications forwarder (whether you are at home, using your cellphone, or being on some conference trip halfway around the world, you can get to your email, voice mail and IM in the same way).

    You need more storage or some new hardware functionality? Just get another unit. When powered on it'll join the rest of them and suddenly your home has a bit of added capacity it didn't have before.

    When highly capable hardware like this is coming down into the sub-10000yen range, a whole new range of uses is becoming feasible.

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  73. Re:Read Slashdot post, Read TFA, Order NSLU2. 5 Mi by Temkin · · Score: 1



    I've been looking into playing with Asterisk on my "Unslung" NSLU2. It lacks a FPU, which prevents using the more bandwidth effecient codecs. You'll be stuck with G.711 or GSM. GSM isn't bad, it just doesn't have a lot of support with the various IP phones.

    I'm told it can handle about 4 phone calls at a time.

  74. x86 power consumption by slashdot.org · · Score: 2, Informative

    since ARM is still orders of magnitude more power-efficient than anything x86

    This is utter bullshit.

    On this page it says that at 133MHz, idle, the board consumes 8.6W. There are plenty of embedded x86 boards that run lower power and/or higher clock frequency.

    For example, here's a board that runs at 133MHz, 5 Watt at 100% CPU load.

    1. Re:x86 power consumption by renoX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I noticed that the x86 board you refer to has half the DRAM,no 10/100 Ethernet interface, maybe this help for the power consumption? (it probably doesn't explain the whole difference)

      What would be interesting also is comparing the SpecInt (and also SpecFP for fun) of these two processors..
      Clock speed isn't a good performance indicator: traditionnaly RISCs have been more powerful than x86 at a given clockspeed, but I don't know if this is the case here.

    2. Re:x86 power consumption by bani · · Score: 1

      The ARM has no fpu, so the x86 will completely trash the ARM in that respect.

    3. Re:x86 power consumption by hattig · · Score: 1

      That 9W (at 266MHz) includes the power supply (inefficient wall thing) and everything in the box besides the IXP420.

      The ARM box has 8MB flash and 32MB RAM, compared with 1MB/16MB on that board.

      That board says 1A at 5V, yet the 5V measurements of the ARM box say it uses 0.6A post power-supply. So that's 3W.

      The processor on your board uses 2.5W. The IXP420 will use under 1W at load.

      You won't be using this box as a render node, so the lack of floating point unit isn't that bad. It does have a unit for some vector operations however.

    4. Re:x86 power consumption by eugene259 · · Score: 1

      This is utter bullshit.

      Eh, no, it isn't.

      I was looking for some more concrete evidence on power specifically for the CPU and from the datasheet, at 266MHz they quote 1.9W max power. The STPC Elite SoC datasheet (CPU from the example you used) states 4.8W for the x86 at 133MHz. At its been said, the power for the Slug is measured at the wall while the power from the example is measured at the board, with less memory and no peripherals. Also, on the performance side, the datasheet for the STPC Elite states that it uses 486 architecture. The article you refer to contains some Dhrystone figures and they compare to P5 figures at same frequencies. There is no FPU (there is a vector unit) but as its been said, for what this box would be used for there is not much need for floating point so the performance/power ratio would be higher than for an equivalent x86 board.

    5. Re:x86 power consumption by repvik · · Score: 1

      Note that even if you remove the underclocking resistor, the slug runs at 266MHz with almost no increase in power consumption.

    6. Re:x86 power consumption by horza · · Score: 1

      This is utter bullshit.

      Really, you should have a clue before posting. According to this press release, the ARM processor consumes around 8mW, though I can't dig out any real-life figures atm. It really is an order of magnitude more power-efficient than anything x86. If you do some basic micro-processor studies you will find that most of the Intel chips are taken up with trying to translate the cludgy CISC x86 instruction set into the 'RISC-like' opcodes Intel uses internally. There is no avoiding the fact this wastes power. Here is an ARM device at random that consumes
      less less than 450mW.

      Phillip.

    7. Re:x86 power consumption by slashdot.org · · Score: 1

      Really, you should have a clue before posting.

      Uhm, sure, this is all entirely new to me.

      According to this press release, the ARM processor consumes around 8mW, though I can't dig out any real-life figures atm

      Well, shows your amount of clue by linking to a press release to point out 'facts'. I mean, are you serious?

      To get back to our original discussion about the Linksys board that was quoted to consume 8.6 Watt while idle. As other pointed out, they state that that's measured at the mains side. They of course also say Current: Calculated current supplied at the 5V line, while running, but who am I to quible.

      A little later they show a table which is measured at the 5V side. So let's take that, and let's assume that the nsieve test is 100% load of the entire board, and let's take the 266Mhz number because that gives the best performance/Watt. So that's 0.59A * 5V = 2.95 Watt. Pretty impressive for a board with Ethernet and 2x USB 2.0.

      That is still NOT _several_ orders of magnitude better power consumption than a Celeron M @ 1GHz for example, which will run at something like 15 Watt at 100% load (probably less).

      Sure, it's 5x the power consumption, but it also has video, IDE and audio. Plus floating point.

      In case you are wondering, the datasheet for the Celeron M at 1 GHz (TDP: 5 Watt)

      So, I hope you don't mind, but I'm still going to call a bullshit on that 'several orders of magnitude' comment.

    8. Re:x86 power consumption by slashdot.org · · Score: 1

      I noticed that the x86 board you refer to has half the DRAM,no 10/100 Ethernet interface, maybe this help for the power consumption? (it probably doesn't explain the whole difference)

      100Mb/s Ethernet can be implemented @ about 250 mW. In any case, this board adds Ethernet, video and more RAM and runs at about 6.5 Watt.

      At the end of the day my main point was that an ARM based board is not several orders of magnitude lower power than a somewhat comparable x86 based design.

    9. Re:x86 power consumption by slashdot.org · · Score: 1

      This is utter bullshit.

      Eh, no, it isn't.

      I was looking for some more concrete evidence on power specifically for the CPU and from the datasheet, at 266MHz they quote 1.9W max power. The STPC Elite SoC datasheet (CPU from the example you used) states 4.8W for the x86 at 133MHz.


      Yes, it is fucking bullshit.

      First of all, your link for STPC Elite doesn't point to a STPC Elite page. Second of all, the STPC Elite does NOT use 4.8W but 2.3Watt max @ 133 MHz

      Yes, perhaps that's at half the clock speed, but it also adds PCI, IDE and floating point.

      In any case, that is still NOT several orders of magnitude less power.

  75. Re:Linux Sucks! by name773 · · Score: 1

    i installed a gentoo/os9 dual boot on my dad's ibook, and the right click is that extra enter button by the space bar with the middle click being fn+alt. thank goodness the screen is to small (800x600) to use drawing programs that take advantage of all three buttons

  76. Re:But by utnow · · Score: 0

    because Ogg is a real person too... with real feelings, hopes and dreams. You don't want to play Ogg. It'll just make him feel bad and you'll feel worse for messing with his mind.

  77. Re:Practically useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The ARM610 (1993ish vintage) was regarded as more powerful than a 486DX - a contemporary chip. ARM CPU designs do get more powerful, though there are also lower power devices in the current range, but the prices are nowhere near 1998 desktop prices. Look at the Philips LPC2000 series - under $10 for an ARM7 microcontroller with decent memory, flash and I/O.

    I don't see why the inability for some people to program the device should reflect on it's capability (and I wouldn't call VoIP trivial)

  78. Re:Read Slashdot post, Read TFA, Order NSLU2. 5 Mi by kwalker · · Score: 1

    Was that before or after you de-neutered it?

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  79. Re:Stereo component with HDTV and digital audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Roku PhotoBridge ( http://rokulabs.com/products/photobridge/index.php ) has a 300MHz MIPS processor, high-definition video output, and digital audio out, all for under $300. Plus Linux is already preloaded, it couldn't be easier. Just plug it in and log on. There is even an SDK and active developer forums at http://rokulabs.com/forums/

  80. Our next LUG meeting by Bill+Kendrick · · Score: 1

    By an odd coincidence, the next Linux Users' Group of Davis (August 15th, near Sacramento, California) meeting happens to be on this very topic!

  81. Practical audio capture by QuietRiot · · Score: 1

    Anybody familiar with this device know if there are any USB audio interfaces that would mate with this ARM machine? Forgive me for not searching myself, but what does the state of audio tools look like under ARM debian? How many USB device drivers are supported/exist? USB 'webcam' options?

    How difficult would it be to turn this into a portable audio-capture (and streaming???) or playback device? Could I direct a USB audio interface input stream toward a USB attached HD? What bandwidth might I expect? At 266MHz could I real-time vorbis-encode and stream to disk or network? At what quality? (I'm not expecting much more than guesses here.) Is the vorbis encoder available for ARM and how efficient would this be compared to an X86 machine? Could I do FLAC? Again - leaving tomorrow so no time to search myself :( If you know, post; if not, yes - I know about google.

    For that matter, does anybody know of any small device that will record in a lossless format (ie. NOT 'voice' or 'mp3' recorder or in a proprietary format) with reasonable sample rate/resolution, has decent [read: low noise] line or mic inputs, removable media slot (or hackable to add a spinning magnetic media device), and doesn't cost >$250?

    Everybody seems to be talking about network applications, but with a 12V battery, a keyboard and heads up display or audio interface (yes - I believe you can get software that generates a virtual, audible, terminal via voice prompts) this could be a wonderful wearable device. Do you think so? Too power hungry?

    Just thinking/rambling. Tell me slashdot what you think (if you've got the time.)

  82. Full Debian SH for Under $200 in Japan by kinneko · · Score: 4, Interesting

    See this one.
    You can buy it with $160.
    http://supertank.iodata.jp/products/sotohdlwu/

    CPU: SH-4/266MHz
    DRAM: 64MB
    NIC: 100BASE-TX (Realtek)
    USB: 2.0 x2 (NEC)
    SerialConsoleCable: (not include. extention$33)
    HDD: 3.5 ATA HDD x2 (not include)
    OS: Debian GNU/Linux SH (iohack version)
    kernel: 2.4.21
    daemons: mt-daapd, akaDAV, vsftpd, wizd,
    mdnsresopnder, telnetd

    Web reviews (Japanese)
    http://pcweb.mycom.co.jp/column/jisakuparts/023/
    http://bb.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/special/10056.ht ml
    http://bb.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/special/10074.ht ml

    1. Re:Full Debian SH for Under $200 in Japan by kinneko · · Score: 1

      In addition...
      System ready to build for software RAID1/JBOD.
      All system installed in Hard Drive.
      You can use like x86 linux system.
      IPL(like BIOS): IPL+g(GPL)
      BootLoader: sh-lilo(GPL)

      more infomation (Japanese):
      http://iohack.sealandair.info/wiki/
      http://pc8.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/linux/1112538036/

    2. Re:Full Debian SH for Under $200 in Japan by nchip · · Score: 1

      Very intresting - but.. How do I get one to Finland?

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    3. Re:Full Debian SH for Under $200 in Japan by kinneko · · Score: 1

      Thank you for getting interested.
      There is no way to get at Finland.
      If you want to get, I can send it using EMS.
      But, LANTANK is designed to use only in Japan.
      Power voltage is only 100V(not universal), plug is Type A-2.
      If you are not an electric engineer, may be, you can't use it.

  83. Can it run eMule? by fundflow · · Score: 1

    The best use for that thing is to run eMule.

    If so, it will replace what my home computer is doing all day...

  84. Re:Read Slashdot post, Read TFA, Order NSLU2. 5 Mi by bani · · Score: 1

    You should have bought a gumstix insead. Or maybe a soekris.

    The NSLU2 doesnt really have enough CPU for asterisk.

  85. Limited memory :-( by Mark+Gillespie · · Score: 4, Informative

    The crippling factor on the NSLU2 is the limited memory. Fine for what it's intended to do, but they to expand it's capabilities, and you hit the wall. Many people have this problem when trying to use it as a UPnP Mediaserver (using Twonkyvision). The hardware is simply not powerfull enough, or enough memory to cope with large scale media databases and heavy network media streaming.

  86. sub $200 x86 ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    letsee.... sub $200 x86 hardware to run debian. http://soekris.com/ .... have fun...

  87. Useful for Projects, not suitable as Desktop unit by H.Dersch · · Score: 1

    Due to the 2 fast USB2 ports and the ability to run Linux, this device is well suited for interface projects, eg. connecting any USB device to the internet. See my project about WLAN-interfaces for digital cameras, which uses the Linksys NSLU2 running Unslung-Linux (Kernel 2.4), gphoto and some scripts. It allows you to wirelessly operate almost any digital camera via Web-interface:
    http://www.fh-furtwangen.de/~dersch/gphoto/remote. html
    I have used the device to connect my Palm Tungsten and printers to the internet, there are more projects, see the yahoo-group.

    In theory, a desktop device could be set up using a USB-VGA adapter and USB-connected keyboard+mouse. I have actually done that and ported the necessary VGA-drivers to Linux 2.4, see
    http://www.fh-furtwangen.de/~dersch/. However, this will (a) increase cost considerably (more like 350USD/EUR), and (b) you end up with a 133/266MHz, 32 MB system, which is nowhere as powerful as eg. a Mac mini (and still lacks CD/DVD-drive).

    Regards

    H. Dersch

  88. Why does NAS not work with plain old NIS/NFS? by cichon · · Score: 1

    my personal dream configuration would look like this:

    a) a small device, of the physical size of an iPod, and it only needs a small disc (1GB would be enough). On this device, I like to run my DNS server, DHCP server, NIS/LDAP server, netplan server, and all the tiny services that need to run on a network.

    An iPod would be good for that if it only had an ethernet port. With a 10GB disc, it could also neatly run a CVS server.

    b) a network attached disk. It should run NFS, Samba, FTP, and most importantly, it should work with a network authentification platform.

    My personal favorite for this is currently NIS/NFS/autofs because it's so simple to set up and maintain. For a simple network (10 users), it's powerful enough.

    They could just put this fancy ARM board on the harddisc, and sell it with an ethernet, instead of an IDE port.

  89. Endian Wars! Quick, call the UN by kt0157 · · Score: 1

    Get in the people with blue hats and white Landcruisers. Quick, pass obscurely-worded resolutions. There's gonna be a war breaking out (again!).

    Look buddy, if you're determined to troll for an Endian War, you're gonna get it on Slashdot. Best to let the veterans of that war be left sleeping.

    K.

  90. [ot] harvesting the karma by wild_berry · · Score: 1

    Crumbs. Pyrrhonist's done well for Karma from all of that!

  91. i'm still waiting by noamsml · · Score: 1

    for a debian LEG

  92. slug, eh? by idiotdevel · · Score: 1

    sounds fast

  93. Remote X server over Ethernet by OmniGeek · · Score: 1

    That's the only practical way to accomplish the task. Hacking a display card into it it NOT practical. Of course, then you need a remote PC to host the remote display, so hmmm...

    It comes down to this: Don't expect the NSLU2 to function standalone; you need a remote console over Telnet or SSH or serial port, or use the Web interface in UnSlung, to operate the unit. (BTW, the "serial-port hack" is nothing overly extreme, a competent solderer can assemble it in short order.)

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  94. Re:Practical audio capture: Minidisc recorder by OmniGeek · · Score: 1

    Consider the Sony Minidisc player/recorders; the media are quite good (magneto-optic discs), and the ATRAC codec is good at best-quality, though not strictly lossless. Form factor is pocket-calculator-sized.

    BIG caveat: Until Sony's recent change of heart, there was NO way to get digital data out of the MD player for idiot DRM reasons, though the capability exists from a technical standpoint. (Makes it annoying to use it as a recorder, you have to play back the audio to another capture device at 1X speed...) I'd suggest checking out whether Sony has decrippled the system before buying.

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  95. Xbox-Linux.org by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

    Meh. You can install Linux on an MS Xbox, and the console costs only $150, not $200 like this setup. Not to mention that the Xbox has a built-in hard drive, DVD-ROM, video out, USB, a working Ethernet port...and it's an x86 processor as opposed to an ARM, so you're more likely to find precompiled applications for it.

  96. Re:Project page slashdotted, but I have questions. by repvik · · Score: 1

    It can use several other USB peripherals. Some are tested, some are not. Most USB scanners and cameras that are supported by SANE should work (My Canon IXUS for instance).

    It consumes about 8.4W, slightly more if you de-underclock it to 266MHz.

    It is not possible to underclock it to any lower speed than 133.

  97. Re:Read Slashdot post, Read TFA, Order NSLU2. 5 Mi by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1
    Was that before or after you de-neutered it?

    I haven't unsoldered R83.

    Honestly, though, it doesn't really matter, because one phone call with only Asterisk running will push the NSLU2 to 100% CPU and produce massive jitter on the call regardless of the codec used. There's two issues involved here: One is the lack of an FPU, which limits the available codecs. The other is the fact that a lot of the Ethernet functionality of the device is implemented in the driver, so a good amount of CPU is spent transferring packets. If you bump up the CPU speed, you could probably get one good call out of the box, but as soon as you start making multiple calls and driving up the amount of data bouncing around the system, your call quality is going to suffer.

    So, unless you want a PBX capable of only one concurrent call, it's not really the best device to use as a PBX. You could probably make a voicemail server out of it, but that's about it. If you want a still capable but small PBX, my advice to you would be to get a mini-ITX board, which can handle multiple concurrent calls (although some models do have half-speed FPUs).

    The NSLU2 does, however, make quite a nice little HTTP/SSH/File server for home use. I have a Segate USB-powered HD hooked up to mine, so I hardly notice that it's on.

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  98. Quite by LPetrazickis · · Score: 1

    In some contexts, slug is a synonym for "bullet".;)

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  99. Can I run MPlayer on this? by kaytea2k · · Score: 1

    Does this thing run MPlayer?

  100. 1394? by glwtta · · Score: 1
    Does anyone know if a similar device to the NSLU2 exists that supports firewire?

    I've been looking for just such a cheap, low noise/power device to "NASify" a bunch of external disks, but with USB 2.0 only support it's not all that useful (you can only get two HDs on there).

    It's a little weird too, wouldn't 1394 be a better choise for these little buggers since it's less CPU intensive? Or are the controllers that much more expensive? It seems like availability shouldn't be an issue as most external hard drives support both.

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  101. Re:Stereo component with HDTV and digital audio by stunted · · Score: 1

    *Want*, it can even act as a frontend for MythTV

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    In order to save our freedom it was necessary to destroy it.
  102. Re:Practically useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's flamebait because of the way he said it, not what he said.

    It's possible to disagree with a point of view without being insulting.
    No it's not, you git.