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A Day in the Life of a Nigerian Scammer

prostoalex writes "The media made a Nigerian scammer's career look too easy. Get online, introduce yourself as a corrupt government official willing to take the money out of the country, and wait for the wire transfers from victims to start rolling in. So, the Associated Press takes us through a day in life of Nigerian scammer. It's a life that takes place in Internet cafes with aged screens and free Webmail accounts. However, by the end of the article the AP talks about some people who have made a good career out of it - three cars, two houses. That is, until the next crackdown comes along."

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  1. DEAR SIR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny


    URGENT ASSISTANCE - FROM USA
    IMMEDIATE ATTENTION NEEDED: HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL
    FROM: GEORGE WALKER BUSH 202.456.1414 / 202.456.1111 FAX: 202.456.2461

    DEAR SIR / MADAM,

    I AM GEORGE WALKER BUSH, SON OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
    STATES OF AMERICA GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH, AND CURRENTLY SERVING AS
    PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THIS LETTER MIGHT SURPRISE
    YOU BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT MET NEITHER IN PERSON NOR BY CORRESPONDENCE. I
    CAME TO KNOW OF YOU IN MY SEARCH FOR A RELIABLE AND REPUTABLE PERSON TO
    HANDLE A VERY CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS TRANSACTION, WHICH INVOLVES THE
    TRANSFER OF A HUGE SUM OF MONEY TO AN ACCOUNT REQUIRING MAXIMUM
    CONFIDENCE.

    I AM WRITING YOU IN ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE PRIMARILY TO SEEK YOUR
    ASSISTANCE IN ACQUIRING OIL FUNDS THAT ARE PRESENTLY TRAPPED IN THE
    REPUBLIC OF IRAQ. MY PARTNERS AND I SOLICIT YOUR ASSISTANCE IN
    COMPLETING A TRANSACTION BEGUN BY MY FATHER, WHO HAS LONG BEEN ACTIVELY
    ENGAGED IN THE EXTRACTION OF PETROLEUM IN THE UNITED STATES OF
    AMERICA,AND BRAVELY SERVED HIS COUNTRY AS DIRECTOR OF THE UNITED STATES
    CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY.IN THE DECADE OF THE NINETEEN-EIGHTIES, MY
    FATHER, THEN VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, SOUGHT TO
    WORK WITH THE GOOD OFFICES OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ TO
    REGAIN LOST OIL REVENUE SOURCES IN THE NEIGHBORING ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF
    IRAN. THIS UNSUCCESSFUL VENTURE WAS SOON FOLLOWED BY A FALLING-OUT WITH
    HIS IRAQI PARTNER, WHO SOUGHT TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL OIL REVENUE SOURCES
    IN THE NEIGHBORING EMIRATE OF KUWAIT, A WHOLLY-OWNED U.S.-BRITISH
    SUBSIDIARY.

    MY FATHER RE-SECURED THE PETROLEUM ASSETS OF KUWAIT IN 1991 AT A COST OF
    SIXTY-ONE BILLION U.S. DOLLARS ($61,000,000,000). OUT OF THAT
    COST,THIRTY-SIX BILLION DOLLARS ($36,000,000,000) WERE SUPPLIED BY HIS
    PARTNERS IN THE KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA AND OTHER PERSIAN GULF
    MONARCHIES, AND SIXTEEN BILLION DOLLARS ($16,000,000,000) BY GERMAN AND
    JAPANESE PARTNERS. BUT MY FATHER'S FORMER IRAQI BUSINESS PARTNER
    REMAINED IN CONTROL OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ AND ITS PETROLEUM RESERVES.

    MY FAMILY IS CALLING FOR YOUR URGENT ASSISTANCE IN FUNDING THE REMOVAL
    OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ AND ACQUIRING THE PETROLEUM
    ASSETS OF HIS COUNTRY, AS COMPENSATION FOR THE COSTS OF REMOVING HIM
    FROM POWER. UNFORTUNATELY, OUR PARTNERS FROM 1991 ARE NOT WILLING TO
    SHOULDER THE BURDEN OF THIS NEW VENTURE, WHICH IN ITS UPCOMING PHASE MAY
    COST THE SUM OF 100 BILLION TO 200 BILLION DOLLARS ($100,000,000,000
    -$200,000,000,000), BOTH IN THE INITIAL ACQUISITION AND IN LONG-TERM
    MANAGEMENT. WITHOUT THE FUNDS FROM OUR 1991 PARTNERS, WE WOULD NOT BE
    ABLE TO ACQUIRE THE OIL REVENUE TRAPPED WITHIN IRAQ. THAT IS WHY MY
    FAMILY AND OUR COLLEAGUES ARE URGENTLY SEEKING YOUR GRACIOUS
    ASSISTANCE. OUR DISTINGUISHED COLLEAGUES IN THIS BUSINESS TRANSACTION
    INCLUDE THE SITTING VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
    RICHARD CHENEY,WHO IS AN ORIGINAL PARTNER IN THE IRAQ VENTURE AND FORMER
    HEAD OF THE HALLIBURTON OIL COMPANY, AND CONDOLEEZA RICE, WHOSE
    PROFESSIONAL DEDICATION TO THE VENTURE WAS DEMONSTRATED IN THE NAMING OF
    A CHEVRON OIL TANKER AFTER HER. I WOULD BESEECH YOU TO TRANSFER A SUM
    EQUALING TEN TO TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT (10-25 %) OF YOUR YEARLY INCOME TO
    OUR ACCOUNT TO AID IN THIS IMPORTANT VENTURE. THE INTERNAL REVENUE
    SERVICE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WILL FUNCTION AS OUR TRUSTED
    INTERMEDIARY. I PROPOSE THAT YOU MAKE THIS TRANSFER BEFORE THE FIFTEENTH
    (15TH) OF THE MONTH OF APRIL. I KNOW THAT A TRANSACTION OF THIS
    MAGNITUDE WOULD MAKE ANYONE APPREHENSIVE AND WORRIED. BUT I AM ASSURING
    YOU THAT ALL WILL BE WELL AT THE END OF THE DAY. A BOLD STEP TAKEN SHALL
    NOT BE REGRETTED, I ASSURE YOU. PLEASE DO BE INFORMED THAT THIS BUSINESS
    TRANSACTION IS 100% LEGAL. IF

    1. Re:DEAR SIR by Klar · · Score: 3, Funny

      I fall for those every time! I got one yesterday that actually had [title][surname] in the body of the message. Must be a nice script they use..

    2. Re:DEAR SIR by Cerdic · · Score: 2, Funny

      I WOULD BESEECH YOU TO TRANSFER A SUM EQUALING TEN TO TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT (10-25 %) OF YOUR YEARLY INCOME TO OUR ACCOUNT TO AID IN THIS IMPORTANT VENTURE.

      I thought it was a hoax and didn't pay the 10-25% of my income and boy was I sorry.

      It just goes to show that you shouldn't ignore an email typed entirely in caps.

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    3. Re:DEAR SIR by Punboy · · Score: 1

      You see, they're so poor they cant fix their caps lock keys.

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    4. Re:DEAR SIR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got news for you as you already paid this months blackmail to the Bush family and their scum sucking cohorts.
      Every time you pull into a gas station and paid more than $1.56 per gallon who's fuckin cock did you think you were suckin.

    5. Re:DEAR SIR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Out of curiosity, I tried to post the same comment and was not allowed to: 'Too many junk characters'.

    6. Re:DEAR SIR by rcamera · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i didn't pay 10-25% either. i decided to be generous and pay closer to 35% last year. this year, i'm planning to pay closer to 40%.

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    7. Re:DEAR SIR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i didn't pay 10-25% either. i decided to be generous and pay closer to 35% last year. this year, i'm planning to pay closer to 40%.

      Damn! As TFA said... there is always some poor sod that falls for those pesky skams... :-(

    8. Re:DEAR SIR by slazar · · Score: 1

      Heh no, they are typing on Apple IIs. :)

    9. Re:DEAR SIR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least credit the source. This was written by Zoltan Grossman.

  2. Anyone by HUADPE · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anyone who would open an e-mail with the subject line "Congratulation! You Are Our Lucky Winner!" and then proceed to send that person $5000 sight unseen deserves it.

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    1. Re:Anyone by plutonium83 · · Score: 1

      The victims of scams are people too.

    2. Re:Anyone by HUADPE · · Score: 1

      I am sorry to anyone who is offended by that last post. I was more concerend with trusting your money to someone who makes a gramatical error in the subject line.

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    3. Re:Anyone by croddy · · Score: 2, Funny

      only just barely.

    4. Re:Anyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, technically, since the scammers aren't using violence, they're not doing anything wrong.

    5. Re:Anyone by binkzz · · Score: 1
      I'm out of mod points, but I agree. Most of the time it's greed that causes people to go blind and send money, failing to notice the obvious scam.

      These scams have been around for years and generations, and people should know better than to send lots of money to strangers when promised mountains of gold.

      It's not compassion that causes people to send money. My mother is one of the most compassionate people I know (although it's true! I might have a slight bias) she would give her last penny to help someone else, but she knows better than to participate in something like this.

      If you read the stories of the people who got stung, they almost always say they got blinded by greed. Scamming is wrong, but if you live by the idea that nothing comes for free but God's grace, you'll be able to avoid all of these.

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    6. Re:Anyone by ultranova · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anyone who would open an e-mail with the subject line "Congratulation! You Are Our Lucky Winner!" and then proceed to send that person $5000 sight unseen deserves it.

      No, he doesn't. Being stupid doesn't make one deserving of being cheated, any more than being small and weak makes one deserving of being mugged.

      People who fall for Nigerian scams, on the other hand, tend to know that they are dealing with criminals - either the email is fake, in which case they're dealing with a con-man, or the email is genuine, in which case they're dealing with a mass murderer - and deserve to lose some money; maybe it will make them less eager to deal with scum in the future.

      Regarding your later post, I'm not offended. I simply find it sad and unfortunate that this attitude of "survival of the fittest" is still a part of human society. People don't deserve to have bad things happen to them just because they were too weak/stupid/clumsy/whatever to keep them from happening. Thinking that they do is what lets various human-shaped predators justify their evil practices to themselves. I really hope that we will grow out of this kind of pitilessness.

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    7. Re:Anyone by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      "No, he doesn't. "

      According to Darwin he does.

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    8. Re:Anyone by ultranova · · Score: 1

      According to Darwin he does.

      Incorrect. Darwin said that the stupid/slow/weak get eaten, not that they deserve or should get eaten. Darwin simply made observations about how nature works; he didn't comment on whether this is the way it should work.

      Furthermore, helping weaker members of one's species is an observed phenomenon in nature. For example, dolphins will help their sick and injured.

      The final nail to the coffin of social darwinism is the simple fact that humans are perfectly capable of defying natural selection. A wolf that catches a rabbit is following its instincts and needs; it will either catch the rabbit or starve to death, and is completely incapable of understanding why it shouldn't kill the rabbit even if it didn't need to. A human being, on the other hand, is capable of both getting his neccessities for survival without abusing his fellow human beings, and capable of understanding that he shouldn't abuse them. Animals follow their instincts, humans don't need to. When an animal kills another, it is natural selection; when a human kills another, it is murder. In other words, animals are not moral actors, but humans are, and therefore bear the responsibility for their actions; they cannot escape that responsibility just by stating that "it wasn't me, it was natural selection !".

      Comments like yours fail to demonstrate anything expect your total lack of understanding about either Darwin's theories, the nature(s) of animals, or the nature of humanity.

      Sorry about the rant, but you managed to hit two nerves here - your referred to a scientific theory and got it fundamentally wrong, and then used that misunderstanding as a basis of approving evil actions :(.

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    9. Re:Anyone by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      Interesting response. It appears we had some miscommunication on the term "should". It would have been more accurate to state it the way you did as "should" brings the moral argument into play.

      But thats another can of worms. You see, morals are opinions, not facts of life. So while you and I probably agree on some pretty standard ones, there is no fundamental science that says THIS IS HOW THINGS HAVE TO BE.

      And one could argue that reproduction is another necessity of our instincts and needs. In todays world, that is becoming increasingly tied to ones ability to provide financially (instead of hunting), and thus one could argue that the person scamming was simply trying to fulfill this need through his activities. Its not necessarily a rock solid argument, I don't even have any studies to back me up, all I'm saying is that just as I can't make a blanket statement saying that this person deserves to get scammed, you cannot make a blanket statement saying that they deserve not to.

      As to your point on killing and natural selection vs murder...well, that's natural selection at work right there. One person (murderer) will go on to potentially reproduce, the other (murdered) will not.

      Before you go criticizing others on their scientific theory, you might want to check your own work first. ;)

      I welcome any further discussion on this topic though.

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  3. Blog of a scammer by saskboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does anyone know of a blog site written by a scammer? That would be quite the reading. I guess the P-P-P-Powerbook blogsite is sort of the other side of that, but what about the scammer's perspective? Blogging can't be considered serious journalism until the other side is given a chance to defend their actions.

    [yes I'm kidding]

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    1. Re:Blog of a scammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    2. Re:Blog of a scammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROFL. Good one!

    3. Re:Blog of a scammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahahhahahahahahhahahahahaha

  4. Hmm... interesting... by computerdude33 · · Score: 2, Funny

    *goes to sign up for scammer night classes*

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    1. Re:Hmm... interesting... by RevengeOfPoopJuggler · · Score: 0

      I teach an online course in this. Tuition is only $5000.

    2. Re:Hmm... interesting... by computerdude33 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ok... sounds reasonable... how about I pay you $5000 and you pay me $10,000?

      (heheh, sucker...)

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    3. Re:Hmm... interesting... by aussie_a · · Score: 2, Funny

      I would be happy to, please give me your bank account number so I may transfer the funds.

    4. Re:Hmm... interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      40-47-50 357955562

  5. Self preservation by RedOregon · · Score: 1

    Where's the part about "Keep an eye over your shoulder for Americans with weapons"?

    Or, I guess, Russians with baseball bats?

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    1. Re:Self preservation by rumblin'rabbit · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hockey sticks, ding-dong. Russians have hockey sticks.

    2. Re:Self preservation by stephenMF · · Score: 0, Redundant

      ...in soviet russia....

    3. Re:Self preservation by LordEd · · Score: 1

      I originally thought a warning about trojans and horses would be appropriate, but horses don't kill people... trojans with swords kill people.

  6. Capitalism... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's nice to know that the American Dream has reached the far corners of the world. So is Uncle Sam getting his cut of the loot?

    1. Re:Capitalism... by ender81b · · Score: 1

      .... yes because crime only happens to capitlistic societies.

      Go read some ayn rynd or something, you're trolling is becoming even more non-sensical, time to go back to your roots boy.

    2. Re:Capitalism... by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      It's nice to know that the American Dream has reached the far corners of the world. So is Uncle Sam getting his cut of the loot?

      How is ripping people off and being a parasite the American Dream? The American Dream is success through work, and the liberty to pursue and enjoy it. There's nothing in the capitalist ethos that supports fraud and theft. That's the domain of people who would rather deceive than work, or would rather force others to work for them (which is to say, communists and other would-be slave owners).

      Of course you know all of this, and you're just trolling. Modded "Interesting?" What a crock.

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    3. Re:Capitalism... by Methuseus · · Score: 1

      Ok, the problem I have with your post is this:

      Tell me how many people have made lots of money by being totally honest and hard working? How many of them would rather work than pay some poor schlub minimum wage to do it?

      How many legitimate companies engage in borderline fraud and borderline theft? How many lobbyists have hard work and the good of the people in mind? This country is headed for the shitter and people don't seem to realize that greed drives 90% of this nation.....

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    4. Re:Capitalism... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Consider the insurance companies that have their corporation paperwork registered in the Caribbeans for the purpose of not paying U.S. taxes on their profits. These companies effectively defraud the U.S. government of tax revenue by pretending (legally) to be a foreign company. Some would consider this "hard work", and certainly most CEOs have "the liberty to pursue and enjoy it". Depending on whether you're at the top or bottom, this may or may not be the American dream.

      BTW, People who engaged in fraud usually have more trouble with the tax laws than anti-fraud laws. Uncle Sam doesn't like unreported income.

    5. Re:Capitalism... by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      I don't think you'll find, in my comments or in the concepts touched on, any support for companies that derive their income from the US market, and depend upon a stable US economy (and the US rule of law, which is a big part of maintaining it), but which conduct themselves in a way to avoid paying appropriate taxes. If a US-based company has to pay taxes on incoming, any company benefitting from doing business with US citizens living in the US should be having to pay the same premium, no question.

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    6. Re:Capitalism... by Planesdragon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The American Dream is success through work, and the liberty to pursue and enjoy it. There's nothing in the capitalist ethos that supports fraud and theft.

      Wrong on both counts.

      1: The American Dream is to achieve sufficient success to provide, on your own and being beholden to none, for the whole of your nuclear family until your children are all grown.

      Most of those characterised as "living the American Dream" are not, in literal fact, workers. They are businessmen, investors, and executives--who, while they doubtless provide a significant benefit to society, are arguably "parasites" from a strictly "work" point of view. (as in, their contribution to society depends on the physical or mental efforts of others.)

      2: Capitalism sure as hell encourages fraud and theft. There IS no "capitalist ethos." There is, instead, a clear recognition by capitalist countries that people are greedy and will act however gets them the most profit.

      Capitalism is not a system free of graft, fraud, and theft. Rather, it is a system that aligns the most selfish desires of society with the needs of society as a whole, by way of making investments liquid and fraud prohibitvely expensive.

    7. Re:Capitalism... by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      42 people I believe.

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    8. Re:Capitalism... by bentcd · · Score: 1

      Capitalism is an ideology which appreciates that greed is an integral part of human nature and that there is no practical way that this can be changed. In stead, capitalism seeks to harness personal greed to benefit society to the maximum extent possible. It is therefore not particularly surprising if a nation that bases its economic system on capitalism is dominated by greed.
      It is not clear, however, that there exists a desirable alternative. Nations that have experimented with systems that attempt to suppress personal greed appear to have had very little success and those that embraced capitalism have generally emerged as winners.

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    9. Re:Capitalism... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      How is ripping people off and being a parasite the American Dream? The American Dream is success through work, and the liberty to pursue and enjoy it. There's nothing in the capitalist ethos that supports fraud and theft. That's the domain of people who would rather deceive than work, or would rather force others to work for them (which is to say, communists and other would-be slave owners).

      And yet millions of slaves were imported to the United States of America in order to benefit others through their work. This was done mainly because the native indian population couldn't withstand the conditions the slavemasters forced them to live in, and was being depleted by both sicknesses and exhaustion. So unless by work you mean whipping the slaves into greater speed, the early americans seem to be disagreeing with you about the meaning of "American Dream".

      American Dream means success at any cost. So does capitalism. A capitalist is always pursuing the activity that will give the best return on investment (as far as he knows; of course he could be mistaken in his estimate), and if this happens to be fraud, theft and enslaving others, that's what he'll do. The challenge in a capitalist society, then, is to make sure that the actions that benefit the society most give the best return on investment, and the actions that harm the society most give the worst return on investment. This is an iterative process: new holes in the rules are found and exploited by the morally challenged until they are plugged by changes in laws (usually new laws, which is why modern societies tend to have such horribly complex laws - they're a patch upon patch upon patch, with each new correction possibly causing regressions).

      Things start going wrong when some companies or individuals have grow wealthy and powerfull enough to have a significant power over the lawmaking process; this lets them keep open whatever flaws they're exploiting and possibly even introducing new ones for their own benefit. Microsoft (for constant abuses of monopoly power) and Disney (infinitely long copyright, DRM) are good examples of this.

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    10. Re:Capitalism... by TFGeditor · · Score: 1

      I don't know that I have "made lots of money," but I own my house (two-story, log construction) and the 25 acres it sits on outright; no mortgage, and I paid cash for all of it from the proceeds of my engineering consulting business.

      When I bid a job (clients were mega corps. such as Motorola, Texas Instruments, Datapoint, etc.), the bid was the price even if my costs or time exceeded the bid amount. I never invoiced for more than the bid amount.

      Conversely, if my costs/time were less than the estimate on the bid, I invoiced for less than the bid amount.

      Managers and controllers at my clients noticed this, even asked about it because they thought I had made an error. When I pointed out to them that making an accurate estimate bid was my responsibility and if I failed in tyhis it was my fault, not theirs, they were amazed. And they retained me long-term, partly for my honesty, mostly because I was good at what I did. (My business philosophy was and is, "Make a customer, not a sale.")

      So, honesty paid off. I did not grow rich, but I own a comfortable home, run a few cattle, owe nothing except whatever is on my credit card, and generally have a pretty decent life--all without ripping off anybody.

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    11. Re:Capitalism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of those characterised as "living the American Dream" are not, in literal fact, workers. They are businessmen, investors, and executives--who, while they doubtless provide a significant benefit to society, are arguably "parasites" from a strictly "work" point of view. (as in, their contribution to society depends on the physical or mental efforts of others.

      What do you think it is to be a businessman or executive or investor? There are many definitions of work besides turning wrenches and serving coffee.

      Capatalism, while having some warts, is by far and away the greatest engine of human progress the world has ever known. Since the industrial revolution, a scant 200 years ago, the quality of life for virtually the entire planet has risen dramatically... Today the average welfare recipient lives better than the kings of Europe did 250 years ago. Our poor people are fat sitting in air conditioned trailors watching color TV instead of dying in the gutters.

      For those who wax poetically about the evils of capatalism, yes, we're impressed you've adopted the prose of Karl. And we see where his "collective" approach to structuring society has wrought; 100 million deaths last century, and total misery for the poor bastards forced to live under communist rule.

      Take heart! Only in a capatalistic society could someone do something as mundane and inconsequential as developing role playing games and not starve to death.

      Why bite the hand that enables you to role dice and write up complicated rule books for nerds to pretend to be something they're not?

    12. Re:Capitalism... by danila · · Score: 1

      What do you think it is to be a businessman or executive or investor? There are many definitions of work besides turning wrenches and serving coffee.

      Puh-lease. I worked in the financial sector (investment banking) and I also did some physical labour. The former is NOT real work. Everyone who tried both "investing" and working would probably agree.

      Capatalism, while having some warts, is by far and away the greatest engine of human progress the world has ever known. Since the industrial revolution, a scant 200 years ago, the quality of life for virtually the entire planet has risen dramatically...

      All this resulted from the scientific and technological revolution, not from capitalism. Soviet people enjoyed the same benefits of the progress while living in a just socialist society (before you start the tired lie of socialism's ineffciency, note that 1) Soviet Union had horrible client (so it could never be as rich as Italy or the USA) 2) Russia or Soviet Union never had colonies to exploit (while Americans get at least half of their wealth from exploiting Third World today) 3) eliminating poverty had a priority over increasing wealth for the lucky few and 4) half of the country was destroyed by Hitler and tens of millions were killed by Nazi).

      Today the average welfare recipient lives better than the kings of Europe did 250 years ago. Our poor people are fat sitting in air conditioned trailors watching color TV instead of dying in the gutters.

      12% of Americans live below the poverty line. As opposed to 10% in China, BTW.

      For those who wax poetically about the evils of capatalism, yes, we're impressed you've adopted the prose of Karl. And we see where his "collective" approach to structuring society has wrought; 100 million deaths last century
      Sometimes I wonder if there is a limit to how much this figure can be exaggerated. Real story: several millions died because of very bad harvest (remember, climate sucks in Russia) and destruction of economy by the Civil War. A few more millions died directly in Civil War. Several tens of millions were killed by Nazis. Three hundred thousands were executed according to the 58th Article (political crimes). Most of those were not executed for their views, but for actual crimes (sabotage, espionage, etc.) - remember, a World War was coming or underway during the repressions. The death rate in the Gulag camps was actually slightly lower than the country average. So the real facts do not support your exaggerated claims of 100 million deaths. BTW, if you meant other countries, such as Cambogia, it would have been nice of you to mention that carpet bombing by US Air Forces killed more Cambogians than Pol Pot did (news to you?). And don't forget that the World Wars were instigated and started not without some influence of the capitalists (imperialism isn't called the last stage of capitalism for nothing).

      and total misery for the poor bastards forced to live under communist rule.

      I dunno, I rather enjoyed it. Certainly was better than having half the population living in poverty and a quarter of the population starving.

      Take heart! Only in a capatalistic society could someone do something as mundane and inconsequential as developing role playing games and not starve to death.

      I don't really see why someone couldn't do it in a socialist society? Games were being designed for children and adults, and in many socialist countries you could have ran your own small personal business doing just that.

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    13. Re:Capitalism... by goof21 · · Score: 1

      "Today the average welfare recipient lives better than the kings of Europe did 250 years ago. Our poor people are fat sitting in air conditioned trailors watching color TV instead of dying in the gutters."

      "12% of Americans live below the poverty line. As opposed to 10% in China, BTW."


      And you trust facts and figures released by the Chinese government? Wow. (by the way, the 10% on the CIA's "factbook" was provided by the Chinese) That aside, how were your calculations made? What sources are you using?

      Just FYI, 10% of over one billion > 12% of 285 million, so whatever point you were trying to make with this handy little factoid totally escapes me. But because you seem to think Lennin had it right where the US founding fathers did not, I ask you why China is bar none the world's biggest violator of copyright and intellictual property law if they're so capable of an economy full of technological innovation. This isn't to mention their extremely large and active network of information gatherers (read: spies) trying to "aquire" military, nuclear, engineering, and other secrets. If they're as great as you tout, why don't they just build this stuff themselves, instead of stealing it? This is just as good as the Chinese sending a Nigerian chain letter...

      "Most honorable nuclear engineer, if you could just share the superuser info for the FTP you keep your most super-secret uranium refinement data on..."

      Sometimes I wonder if there is a limit to how much this figure can be exaggerated. Real story: several millions died because of very bad harvest (remember, climate sucks in Russia) and destruction of economy by the Civil War. A few more millions died directly in Civil War.

      Again, I'd like to know your source for the "real story." I don't doubt millions of Russians were killed during World War II, but again, I doubt you're considering the source of your information and the fact that most of the BS to come out of communist nations is propaganda.

      BTW, if you meant other countries, such as Cambogia, it would have been nice of you to mention that carpet bombing by US Air Forces killed more Cambogians than Pol Pot did (news to you?)

      Yes, actually, it probably is news to him, considering the high estimates for Cambodian (you did mean CamboDia, didn't you?) killed are around 500,000 (sources here or here) vs. 1.5 million killed by Pol Pot. And that's Pol Pot's low figures.

      "..and total misery for the poor bastards forced to live under communist rule."

      "I dunno, I rather enjoyed it. Certainly was better than having half the population living in poverty and a quarter of the population starving."


      Let's put aside the fact that you claim you actually enjoyed living in nations where the thought police not only exist, but thrive, and human rights are non-existant. Didn't you just say that only 12% of Americans are living below the poverty line? In what capitalist nation have you lived where 50% of the people are poor and 25% are starving? I'm curious.

      I look forward to the troll mod for this. :D

    14. Re:Capitalism... by danila · · Score: 1

      whatever point you were trying to make with this handy little factoid totally escapes me.

      The point that whatever advantages a capitalist model might have, eliminating poverty isn't one of them.

      I ask you why China is bar none the world's biggest violator of copyright and intellictual property law if they're so capable of an economy full of technological innovation.

      Because no sane country should respect foreign copyrights and patents. The only country interesting in strict global enforcement of IP laws is the US, because Hollywood and Microsoft (out of 50 largest software companies 48 are wholly or partially US-owned) would lose billions otherwise.

      BTW, Soviet Union didn't respect international copyrights either (it wasn't even a signatory to the respective treaties) and you wouldn't claim that it wasn't capable of technological innovation, would you?

      Again, I'd like to know your source for the "real story."

      It's not a source, it's a variety of sources in the historical science. There is a lot of bullshit in the Western "research", they are serving the capitalist masters all right, but when you look at the facts and not guesstimates, you find approximately the numbers that I provided.

      I doubt you're considering the source of your information and the fact that most of the BS to come out of communist nations is propaganda.

      I doubt that you are considering that real bullshit came from the US and US-sponsored propaganda. Even the unreliability of the Soviet data is itself US propaganda.

      The figures re number of deaths in Gulag camps do not come from the KGP public announcements, they came from decades of studies by professional (Soviet, Russian and foreign), checking and cross-referencing the sources, checking the results with indirect estimates, working until the information is bulletproof. Do you honestly believe that historical knowledge in Russia is stuck at the level of "100 million victims"? No fucking way. For example, the number of resettled (not killed, BTW :) ) kulaks (1803392 people) is known with precision of 147 families, because someone went through all the records, demographic data, local birth records, transportation records, etc., etc. It isn't possible to know everything with such precision, but the real factual data available is much better than the garbage that US-paid (or voluntary) shills spout all the time.

      Yes, actually, it probably is news to him
      Well, I've seen a figure of 800,000 (source). And you should also consider that Americans also supplied arms to Pol Pot since 1979 to support his attacks on Vietnam. But I admit that I exaggerated a bit.

      Let's put aside the fact that you claim you actually enjoyed living in nations where the thought police not only exist, but thrive, and human rights are non-existant.
      Well, we actually had more humans rights in my country (the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics), such as right to food, right to shelter, right to job, right to education, right to health care, right to unlimited personal development, right to creative expressions, right to political activity, right to public speech, rights to this and that, all supported by the resources of our socialist state.

      And I am curious about thought police - never met anything like that outside of Orwell novels. In real Soviet Union you were free to think what you wanted, you were free to criticise the socio-economic order, etc. What you weren't free to do was to distribute anti-Soviet propaganda and attempt to undermine the Soviet order. But many people easily found ways around and, sadly, the enforcement wasn't strong enough. :(

      In what capitalist nation have you lived where 50% of the people are poor and 25% are starving? I'm curious.
      Why, the glorious capitalist country of Russia. Official statistics, BTW (starving meaning not receiving sufficient nutrition according to the WHO standards).

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    15. Re:Capitalism... by danila · · Score: 1

      It was probably a mistake for me to mention Cambodia (or Campuchia) anyway, since it wasn't actually a communist state.

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    16. Re:Capitalism... by goof21 · · Score: 1

      Ah, now I completely understand. I've met a few other Russians who also say that capitalism ruined everything, and the Soviet form of communism was the greatest thing ever. Yeah, I guess I can understand why you would have that perspective when one day you have bread, and the next, none.

      But a free market economy's still the way to go. Capitalist nations are the global spearheads of innovation. I grant you that the USSR had one or two milestones of invention. The eye surgery that corrected my vision was developed by a Russian who's still practicing today. They were first to put a man in space. They've the only national airline in the world flying zero aircraft built in the U.S. I could be mistaken, but I can't think of anyone outside of Aeroflot not flying something made by Boeing or MD (if there's an airline that's 100% airbus, I do apologize). But because, as you say yourself, the Soviet Union (and China) had zero respect for IP rights, how many of those innovations can they honestly take full credit for without having to thank some hard-working western scientist or engineer or programmer for? Who's more motivated to invent, the guy with the job security and food on the table, or the person with both a fat bonus and a pink slip dangled in front of him at the same time?

    17. Re:Capitalism... by danila · · Score: 1

      Ah, now I completely understand. I've met a few other Russians who also say that capitalism ruined everything, and the Soviet form of communism was the greatest thing ever. Yeah, I guess I can understand why you would have that perspective when one day you have bread, and the next, none.

      You understand it completely wrong. It is very difficult to understand why communism is better if you are brought up in a capitalist society, because so many assumptions are ingrained in your brain by the time you are an adult. It's not much easier to understand why communism is better even if you grow up in a communist state (that's why most people didn't oppose the destruction of the Soviet Union).

      But if you make an effort, you may eventually come to understand at least some of the complexity of the problem and to understand why (and when) planned socialist economies are better than market-based capitalist ones.

      It also helps that the facts show this as well. When you adjust the figures available for the inequalities in starting conditions, you can clearly see that Soviet Union
      the economy of the was much more efficient than even the American economy. The key point here is that Soviet Union and the United States operated in very different conditions, so different that a straightforward indicator such as income per capita per annum is completely useless.

      But a free market economy's still the way to go. Capitalist nations are the global spearheads of innovation. I grant you that the USSR had one or two milestones of invention.
      Unless you are blind (which, thanks to the Soviet science you are not), you should realise that it wasn't just one or two milestones. Soviet Union had achieved enormous success in pretty much every field of science and technology. And it's even more amazing when you compare the metrics such as value of equipment per scientist. Soviet scientists in some fields had as little as 1/100th of the equipment (in dollar value) as their American counterparts, but managed to stay competitive through superior education, better organisation of science, abolishment of intellectual property and other factors.

      Today capitalist countries lead the world in innovations, but it's only because the USSR is gone. 20 years ago there was relative parity between the two superpowers.

      But because, as you say yourself, the Soviet Union (and China) had zero respect for IP rights, how many of those innovations can they honestly take full credit for without having to thank some hard-working western scientist or engineer or programmer for?

      Who cares about full credit? It's not like they had a SCO-like monster looming above and demanding code audits. So what if the average Soviet invention had 5% of foreign science in it? That's the way science and technology work everywhere, even in the US - and it doesn't matter whether certain technology was licenced or "obtained by other means". That doesn't say anything about the effectiveness and efficiency of the system.

      Who's more motivated to invent, the guy with the job security and food on the table, or the person with both a fat bonus and a pink slip dangled in front of him at the same time?

      Of course, the first one is more motivated. It is widely accepted even in American economic and management science (there have been countless publications in journals such as HBR and others) that money rarely motivates people. And it certainly doesn't motivate relatively affluent engineers and scientists. The best R&D is done by self-motivated specialists in organisations where they are given some stability and creative freedom and are not intimidated with pink slips. Do you think Linus Torwalds was threatened with pink slips? Or do you think that Microsoft OS developers are? Or may be the NASA engineers who put a man on the Moon were constantly harassed by threats of layoffs and lured with fat bonuses? I think not.

      Soviet system worked great without "fat bonuses" and without fears of pink slips. If you look

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    18. Re:Capitalism... by goof21 · · Score: 1

      As an exercise (to see whether you can see through the fog of propaganda), please think of at least one factor that greatly benefited the United States (and European countries), which was not present in either Russia or the Soviet Union and of one huge shortcoming that Russia/Soviet Union had, which most of the other countries didn't (and don't).

      That's easy. The New York Yankees. :D

      We're both equally brainwashed by the ideologies of our respective nations, so I'm letting this thing lie.

    19. Re:Capitalism... by danila · · Score: 1

      We're both equally brainwashed by the ideologies of our respective nations, so I'm letting this thing lie.

      I am not. The simple fact of life is that in every dispute one person is usually more qualified than the other. Just because we hold different opinions doesn't mean they are equally valid. Usually (not always, but usually) there is some sort of truth and one side (at least one) is wrong.

      In this particular case you are wrong. I cannot accurately judge your motivation, but your unwillingness (inability?) to even think that the competition between Soviet Union and the United States was not fair in terms of starting conditions is suspicious.

      You can "let this thing lie", but in reality it's just an euphemism for "be stubborn and refuse to discuss this rationally". You are indeed brainwashed.

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    20. Re:Capitalism... by goof21 · · Score: 1

      I never said our opinions were equally valid. What you're missing here is the fact that nothing I have to say will do anything to influence your thinking, which really is the bottom line in any dispute. If I know you will walk away, thougts and opinions unchanged, what have I achieved? Nothing. I have accomplished the equivelant of exchanging my ideas with a pile of bricks. Your very matter-of-fact assessment of my position being "wrong," tells me anything I have to say has nearly zero chance of influence; you've already made up your mind. Even if I weren't "wrong," in your very objective opinion, any fact or point I bring forward to debate your position would be readily discounted by you as "western propaganda," and my sources of information you would find credible are extremely limited. It's kind of sad, really... you'll wander through life advocating a system that trades off limitless human potential so everyone can have the same scrap of bread, and if they're really thrifty, the same crappy car. But anyway... since you're so convinced you're right, why should I continue to discuss this with you? To what end? Perhaps I am being stubborn, but Sun Tsu sees this situation differently:

      Move not unless you see an advantage; use not your troops unless there is something to be gained; fight not unless the position is critical. If it is to your advantage, make a forward move; if not, stay where you are. Anger may in time change to gladness; vexation may be succeeded by content. - Sun Tzu

      Not seeing the value added in using my time to engage in this discussion further doesn't make me stubborn; it makes me a capitalist. No profit? No point! ;)

      You're also missing the fact that not everything is so truly black and white. Right/wrong, better/worse... rarely are things so neatly categorized when considered in proper context. Perhaps your experience leads you to believe something different. So be it. The fact is your government failed where mine hasn't even hiccuped. Capitalism is a thriving reality while the Soviet Union is a chapter in history books. The fact is you lost when you said no country should respect the IP rights of others, as I believe our original discussion was about innovations. See, an truly innovative society doesn't have to rip-off, or lay foundations with, ideas from other nations. It comes up with its own. Unfortunately for you, it's difficult to gauge the true innovativeness of the USSR, as most of the Soviet Union was built on science and technology developed by Americans:

      Essay on propaganda in the early Soviet Union - "Energetic factory workers sometimes got written up in local papers as our Russian-Americans. These propaganda terms of praise encouraged others to copy the "Americanisms": speedy, efficient work skills and willingness to adapt to new ways of doing things. Pravda, long the written propaganda bellwether noted in 1935, "Comrade Stalin teaches us to combine the broad scope of the Russian Revolution with American efficiency...For us America ought to be that standard according to which we can constantly test our technical attainments."" source = (note: PBS = Public Broadcasting System, or Public TV. About as left-thinking as you can get here in the USA)

      So you were in space first. Whoopie. Innovation is about who's doing it better. If the Soviets were equally (remember, that's the context of this discussion... equally) innovative to their capitalist counterparts, what were they sharing with the rest of the world that was so great? What brand recognition did the Soviet Union enjoy? Perhaps the USSR did a fair share of business in bringing its puppet satellite nations outside of Eastern Europe out of the stone age, but never in the West did anyone ever say, "Hey, the Soviets build a better light bulb!" Fact of the matter is, if the Soviets were doing it better, they'd still be running the show over there. Sadly the short-sightedness of Soviet leadership and the narrow scope of a communist agenda prevented any chance the USSR had of sustaining itself before the horse even left the gate.

    21. Re:Capitalism... by danila · · Score: 1

      What you're missing here is the fact that nothing I have to say will do anything to influence your thinking, which really is the bottom line in any dispute.

      I am aware that most debates are futile for the reasons you provide, but I am also aware that in some cases they can be fruitful. I am changing my mind quite often and although I cannot claim to be perfectly objective, I think I am rather good at accomodating new evidence. If you believe you are capable of this as well, our discussion may end with one of us changing his position at least to some extent.

      I am saying that your position is wrong, because that's my current opinion. I am judging only by the facts and arguments that I already heard. Similarly, I haven't heard any rebuttals of my mains points from you. Still, I am open to the possibility that you will refute my main points and provide solid arguments in favour of capitalism. Then (after double-checking your evidence) I may change my position and agree that you are right.

      any fact or point I bring forward to debate your position would be readily discounted by you as "western propaganda,"

      I understand why you may be thinking so and I know that some people would behave exactly in that way, but it is not true in regards to me. But when you give an obviously inflated and obviously inaccurate number of 100 millions victims (which is unusual even among the Big Number school), I clamly state that this is indeed a piece of propaganda. Give me a different fact and I will try to objectively judge it.

      You're also missing the fact that not everything is so truly black and white.
      Nope. But some things are. And please realise that it's not always possible to accomodate for the complexity of the reality in a discussion. Even though, I am aware that the history of Soviet Union (and its relations with the USA) is very complex, difficult, sometimes controversial and it's not easy to understand or describe it.

      See, an truly innovative society doesn't have to rip-off, or lay foundations with, ideas from other nations. It comes up with its own.
      According to your personal definition of the innovative society, may be. According to the commonly accepted one - not.

      Essay on propaganda in the early Soviet Union
      How exactly does that make Soviet Union not innovative? These very same skills (business organisation) that you are talking about were then copied by Japanese in 1940-1950s and then they were copied by the Americans in 1960-1980s (TQM, JIT, etc.). Does that make Japan or the United States less innovative? If you claim that a truly innovative society must not use ideas from other nations at all, but come up only with its own, then there are no innovative societies at all, even the US doesn't qualify. An alternative explanation is that your definition of "innovative society" is fundamentally flawed.

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    22. Re:Capitalism... by danila · · Score: 1

      forgot to add:

      Hey, the Soviets build a better light bulb!"
      The fact is that they built many better light bulbs and mousetraps. Less attention was paid to consumer goods, obviously, so you may not be very familiar with them, but it doesn't mean there weren't many.

      As for space, if you don't understand that the Soviets were "doing it better" with the Mir space station, then you are so horribly brainwashed that it's unlikely this can ever be undone.

      Fact of the matter is, if the Soviets were doing it better, they'd still be running the show over there. Sadly the short-sightedness of Soviet leadership and the narrow scope of a communist agenda prevented any chance the USSR had of sustaining itself before the horse even left the gate.

      You don't understand the reasons why Soviet Union collapsed at all and keep repeating the same unreasonable claim. Please, think a bit and try to come up with the answers to 2 questions that I asked in my previous post.

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  7. Scammers... by M$+Agent+2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I get a laugh out of these things in my mail, I honestly dont see how some one could be foolish enough to believe these scams. This page hit a note with me though as two weeks ago I got a phone call from "Miami/Dade County Correctional" at any rate out of curriosity I accepted the collect call and some one potraying themselves as a police officer said that some one was in the hospital yadda yadda yadda and tried to get me to dial a number *76 something something LOL anyway it turned out after looking like 2 seconds on google that its a number to forward the charges from the number you dial to your phone bill. I didnt fall for it but it was interesting.

    1. Re:Scammers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > out of curriosity I accepted the collect call

      Let's define "falling for it", shall we?

    2. Re:Scammers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Consider that the price of entertainment. And the scammers didn't get that money (unless they work for the phone company).

    3. Re:Scammers... by pyrrhonist · · Score: 2, Insightful
      This page hit a note with me though as two weeks ago I got a phone call from "Miami/Dade County Correctional" at any rate out of curriosity I accepted the collect call and some one potraying themselves as a police officer said that some one was in the hospital yadda yadda yadda and tried to get me to dial a number *76 something something LOL

      Did you call the police? I'm sure they'd be interested in a person at a correctional facility who poses as a law enforcement officer and attempts to defraud people using prison phone facilities.

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    4. Re:Scammers... by iminplaya · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm sure they'd be interested in a person at a correctional facility who poses as a law enforcement officer and attempts to defraud people using prison phone facilities.

      Wadda they gonna do? Arrest him?

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    5. Re:Scammers... by bani · · Score: 1

      double, triple his prison sentence. judges take a very dim view of criminals who commit further crimes while incarcerated.

    6. Re:Scammers... by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I heard what they did to Martha Stewart the other day. I know. She's not in jail, but work with me, will ya?

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    7. Re:Scammers... by alienw · · Score: 1

      Well, you probably got scammed for like $5 by the phone company. Those prison collect calls are like $1.00 per minute.

    8. Re:Scammers... by M$+Agent+2 · · Score: 1

      Actualy I did call the police they didnt want to do anything at all... I guess lazy ? I know if I impersonated an officer I would get charged and go to jail but since they are already in jail I guess the cops dont want to do anything lol

    9. Re:Scammers... by M$+Agent+2 · · Score: 1

      Yeah but the laugh I would have gotten out of it would be worth the 5 bucks if it was some one I knew :)

    10. Re:Scammers... by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1
      Actualy I did call the police they didnt want to do anything at all... I guess lazy ?

      That's not good. They very should be concerned about a prisoner actively trying to commit fraud. Someone dropped the ball, and should be punished accordingly.

      Write a letter to your police commissioner, describing the situation and what his unit isn't doing about it. Then CC the letter to your state's attorney general, and the local paper. Someone will take notice at that point.

      You could also call the prison and complain to the warden.

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    11. Re:Scammers... by M$+Agent+2 · · Score: 1

      Falling for it IE not letting some criminal make phone calls on my phone bill from jail wich according to the web page the police have online about it can "cost up to several thousand dollars" while 5$ might seem like alot of money to some... LOL

  8. who the hell reads news on iwon.com??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's an AP story, foolio.

    take yer pick.

    1. Re:who the hell reads news on iwon.com??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not news, it's Slashdot.org!

      [/fark]

  9. 419 eaters by Eugene · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.419eater.com/ is a nice place to see the successful story against 419 scammers

    1. Re:419 eaters by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 1

      Uh... not that I do this, but, er, a friend did it...
      Does anyone else reply to these scam emails with the name and phone number of ex-girlfriends/people they can't stand? Not that I would ever do that...
      Of course scamming is wrong, but seriously, at least these guys aren't killing anyone. I mean, ask yourself seriously, if you had a college degree, and lived in Nigeria and had no job prospects, would you ever consider this? Desperate times=desperate measures...

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    2. Re:419 eaters by sleeper0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I went to this website and browsed around. In particular I read some of the letters/reports listed on this page: http://www.419eater.com/html/letters.htm

      It seems to me the top section is reports done by the website owner as opposed to the bottom section of letters "submissions from fellow scambaiters"

      I thought it was pretty interesting that this guy actually scams the scammers, according to notations in big red bold letters he's taken people who wrote to him for over $1200 and I'm sure he's hoping that number climbs as he eagerly awaits more email of marks to flood into him. I assume (since he runs an "anti-scam" website that he's never himself been scammed out of money.

      That's really cool. I'm hoping maybe this guy can expand his business, maybe going out on the streets at night and robbing people at gunpoint who approach him that he might think are suspicious

    3. Re:419 eaters by Dimensio · · Score: 1

      I'm hoping maybe this guy can expand his business, maybe going out on the streets at night and robbing people at gunpoint who approach him that he might think are suspicious

      Wow! What a totally invalid analogy!

    4. Re:419 eaters by sleeper0 · · Score: 1

      Wow, you're so right. Thanks for setting me on the correct path. This guy who is scamming poor people out of money is doing god's work.

    5. Re:419 eaters by Dimensio · · Score: 1

      This guy who is scamming poor people out of money is doing god's work.

      He's conning criminals, not scamming poor people. 419 scammers are rarely, if ever, "poor". Not if they can afford regular Internet access (or Internet access at all) in countries where people are often lucky to have electricity.

    6. Re:419 eaters by m00nun1t · · Score: 1

      Be careful - there have been several reports of them killing people, not to mention kidnapping.

      One of the variants of the nigerian scam has them getting the suspects to illegally enter the country, then hold them ransom or threaten to turn them over to the nigerian authorities. There are other variants. People HAVE been killed.

    7. Re:419 eaters by bentcd · · Score: 1

      I find it ironic that in your attempt to admonish people who abuse apostrophes, you elect to abuse capital letters _and_ exclamation marks in order to make your point :-)

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    8. Re:419 eaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. For true poetic justice take two 419 emails, tell each scammer that you're changing your email address soon, and give as your new email address the contact info for the other scammer.

  10. These guys are terrorists, right? by bgfay · · Score: 3, Funny

    "It's a war on terror. These scammers, they hate freedom. That's the only reason they do this. It isn't about the money. It's about hating freedom, and liberty too, and all the other stuff in that yellowed up paper down in the National Archives. We gots to smoke 'em out of their holes and kill 'em."
    --G.W. Bush

    "These Nigerians need to be deported back to Nigeria. What do you mean they're already there? Deport them to some place else then. (Did I say it okay George?)"
    --Tony Blair

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    1. Re:These guys are terrorists, right? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      "It's a war on terror. These scammers, they hate freedom. That's the only reason they do this. It isn't about the money. It's about hating freedom, and liberty too, and all the other stuff in that yellowed up paper down in the National Archives. We gots to smoke 'em out of their holes and kill 'em." --G.W. Bush

      I think you've got it wrong.

      "It's a struggle against oppression. These noble freedom fighters are simply using the tools of their oppressors to liberate themselves. We can't sit by and idly allow these requests for financial aid to Nigeria go unanswered. It's treason against humanity! That the brave underclass in Nigeria must resort to having their requests badly translated and misunderstood by cynical propogandists like Fox News is just a sign that we're not sending enough money their way. When will George Bush face up to his obligation to the Nigerian community?" --Ted Kennedy

      "These Nigerians need to be deported back to Nigeria. What do you mean they're already there? Deport them to some place else then. (Did I say it okay George?)" --Tony Blair

      Well, now that's not fair. The Nigerians (unlike the extreme Islamist jihaddist types that Blair has actually been talking about) have no interest in the destruction of Western civilization. They need Americans and others with money in the bank for their little charade to continue to work.

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    2. Re:These guys are terrorists, right? by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      More like "Annoyerists," but hey, who knows what sort of weapons of mass destruction they could have?

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    3. Re:These guys are terrorists, right? by Frogbert · · Score: 1

      "What about us!!! We can be a target too! Look at me George look at me!!!!"
      -- John Howard

  11. Lameness filter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How the hell did you get past the lameness filter? It always tells me I'm 'shouting'...

    1. Re:Lameness filter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zonk posted it, obviously. A normal user couldn't possibly have dodged the lameness filter like that.

    2. Re:Lameness filter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does this work?

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      AMERICA,AND BRAVELY SERVED HIS COUNTRY AS DIRECTOR OF THE UNITED STATES
      CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY.IN THE DECADE OF THE NINETEEN-EIGHTIES, MY
      FATHER, THEN VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, SOUGHT TO
      WORK WITH THE GOOD OFFICES OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ TO
      REGAIN LOST OIL REVENUE SOURCES IN THE NEIGHBORING ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF
      IRAN. THIS UNSUCCESSFUL VENTURE WAS SOON FOLLOWED BY A FALLING-OUT WITH
      HIS IRAQI PARTNER, WHO SOUGHT TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL OIL REVENUE SOURCES
      IN THE NEIGHBORING EMIRATE OF KUWAIT, A WHOLLY-OWNED U.S.-BRITISH
      SUBSIDIARY.

      MY FATHER RE-SECURED THE PETROLEUM ASSETS OF KUWAIT IN 1991 AT A COST OF
      SIXTY-ONE BILLION U.S. DOLLARS ($61,000,000,000). OUT OF THAT
      COST,THIRTY-SIX BILLION DOLLARS ($36,000,000,000) WERE SUPPLIED BY HIS
      PARTNERS IN THE KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA AND OTHER PERSIAN GULF
      MONARCHIES, AND SIXTEEN BILLION DOLLARS ($16,000,000,000) BY GERMAN AND
      JAPANESE PARTNERS. BUT MY FATHER'S FORMER IRAQI BUSINESS PARTNER
      REMAINED IN CONTROL OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ AND ITS PETROLEUM RESERVES.

      MY FAMILY IS CALLING FOR YOUR URGENT ASSISTANCE IN FUNDING THE REMOVAL
      OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ AND ACQUIRING THE PETROLEUM
      ASSETS OF HIS COUNTRY, AS COMPENSATION FOR THE COSTS OF REMOVING HIM
      FROM POWER. UNFORTUNATELY, OUR PARTNERS FROM 1991 ARE NOT WILLING TO
      SHOULDER THE BURDEN OF THIS NEW VENTURE, WHICH IN ITS UPCOMING PHASE MAY
      COST THE SUM OF 100 BILLION TO 200 BILLION DOLLARS ($100,000,000,000
      -$200,000,000,000), BOTH IN THE INITIAL ACQUISITION AND IN LONG-TERM
      MANAGEMENT. WITHOUT THE FUNDS FROM OUR 1991 PARTNERS, WE WOULD NOT BE
      ABLE TO ACQUIRE THE OIL REVENUE TRAPPED WITHIN IRAQ. THAT IS WHY MY
      FAMILY AND OUR COLLEAGUES ARE URGENTLY SEEKING YOUR GRACIOUS
      ASSISTANCE. OUR DISTINGUISHED COLLEAGUES IN THIS BUSINESS TRANSACTION
      INCLUDE THE SITTING VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
      RICHARD CHENEY,WHO IS AN ORIGINAL PARTNER IN THE IRAQ VENTURE AND FORMER
      HEAD OF THE HALLIBURTON OIL COMPANY, AND CONDOLEEZA RICE, WHOSE
      PROFESSIONAL DEDICATION TO THE VENTURE WAS DEMONSTRATED IN THE NAMING OF
      A CHEVRON OIL TANKER AFTER HER. I WOULD BESEECH YOU TO TRANSFER A SUM
      EQUALING TEN TO TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT (10-25 %) OF YOUR YEARLY INCOME TO
      OUR ACCOUNT TO AID IN THIS IMPORTANT VENTURE. THE INTERNAL REVENUE
      SERVICE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WILL FUNCTION AS OUR TRUSTED
      INTERMEDIARY. I PROPOSE THAT YOU MAKE THIS TRANSFER BEFORE THE FIFTEENTH
      (15TH) OF THE MONTH OF APRIL. I KNOW THAT A TRANSACTION OF THIS
      MAGNITUDE WOULD MAKE ANYONE APPREHENSIVE AND WORRIED. BUT I AM ASSURING
      YOU THAT ALL WILL BE WELL AT THE END OF THE DAY. A BOLD STEP TAKEN SHALL
      NOT BE REGRETTED, I ASSURE YOU. PLEASE DO BE INFORMED THAT THIS BUSINESS
      TRANSACTION IS 100% LEGAL. IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO CO-OPERATE IN THIS
      TRANSACTION,PLEASE CONTACT OUR INTERMEDIARY REPRESENTATIVES TO FURTHER
      DISCUSS THE MATTER. I PRAY THAT YOU UNDERSTAND OUR PLIGHT. MY FAMILY
      AND OUR COLLEAGUES WILL BE FOREVER GRATEFUL.

      PLEASE REPLY IN STRICT CONFIDENCE TO THE CONTACT NUMBERS
      BELOW.

      SINCERELY WITH WARM REGARDS, GEORGE WALKER BUSH

    3. Re:Lameness filter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, it just works I guess. See?

      URGENT ASSISTANCE - FROM USA
      IMMEDIATE ATTENTION NEEDED: HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL
      FROM: GEORGE WALKER BUSH 202.456.1414 / 202.456.1111 FAX: 202.456.2461

      DEAR SIR / MADAM,

      I AM GEORGE WALKER BUSH, SON OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
      STATES OF AMERICA GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH, AND CURRENTLY SERVING AS
      PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THIS LETTER MIGHT SURPRISE
      YOU BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT MET NEITHER IN PERSON NOR BY CORRESPONDENCE. I
      CAME TO KNOW OF YOU IN MY SEARCH FOR A RELIABLE AND REPUTABLE PERSON TO
      HANDLE A VERY CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS TRANSACTION, WHICH INVOLVES THE
      TRANSFER OF A HUGE SUM OF MONEY TO AN ACCOUNT REQUIRING MAXIMUM
      CONFIDENCE.

      I AM WRITING YOU IN ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE PRIMARILY TO SEEK YOUR
      ASSISTANCE IN ACQUIRING OIL FUNDS THAT ARE PRESENTLY TRAPPED IN THE
      REPUBLIC OF IRAQ. MY PARTNERS AND I SOLICIT YOUR ASSISTANCE IN
      COMPLETING A TRANSACTION BEGUN BY MY FATHER, WHO HAS LONG BEEN ACTIVELY
      ENGAGED IN THE EXTRACTION OF PETROLEUM IN THE UNITED STATES OF
      AMERICA,AND BRAVELY SERVED HIS COUNTRY AS DIRECTOR OF THE UNITED STATES
      CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY.IN THE DECADE OF THE NINETEEN-EIGHTIES, MY
      FATHER, THEN VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, SOUGHT TO
      WORK WITH THE GOOD OFFICES OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ TO
      REGAIN LOST OIL REVENUE SOURCES IN THE NEIGHBORING ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF
      IRAN. THIS UNSUCCESSFUL VENTURE WAS SOON FOLLOWED BY A FALLING-OUT WITH
      HIS IRAQI PARTNER, WHO SOUGHT TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL OIL REVENUE SOURCES
      IN THE NEIGHBORING EMIRATE OF KUWAIT, A WHOLLY-OWNED U.S.-BRITISH
      SUBSIDIARY.

      MY FATHER RE-SECURED THE PETROLEUM ASSETS OF KUWAIT IN 1991 AT A COST OF
      SIXTY-ONE BILLION U.S. DOLLARS ($61,000,000,000). OUT OF THAT
      COST,THIRTY-SIX BILLION DOLLARS ($36,000,000,000) WERE SUPPLIED BY HIS
      PARTNERS IN THE KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA AND OTHER PERSIAN GULF
      MONARCHIES, AND SIXTEEN BILLION DOLLARS ($16,000,000,000) BY GERMAN AND
      JAPANESE PARTNERS. BUT MY FATHER'S FORMER IRAQI BUSINESS PARTNER
      REMAINED IN CONTROL OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ AND ITS PETROLEUM RESERVES.

      MY FAMILY IS CALLING FOR YOUR URGENT ASSISTANCE IN FUNDING THE REMOVAL
      OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ AND ACQUIRING THE PETROLEUM
      ASSETS OF HIS COUNTRY, AS COMPENSATION FOR THE COSTS OF REMOVING HIM
      FROM POWER. UNFORTUNATELY, OUR PARTNERS FROM 1991 ARE NOT WILLING TO
      SHOULDER THE BURDEN OF THIS NEW VENTURE, WHICH IN ITS UPCOMING PHASE MAY
      COST THE SUM OF 100 BILLION TO 200 BILLION DOLLARS ($100,000,000,000
      -$200,000,000,000), BOTH IN THE INITIAL ACQUISITION AND IN LONG-TERM
      MANAGEMENT. WITHOUT THE FUNDS FROM OUR 1991 PARTNERS, WE WOULD NOT BE
      ABLE TO ACQUIRE THE OIL REVENUE TRAPPED WITHIN IRAQ. THAT IS WHY MY
      FAMILY AND OUR COLLEAGUES ARE URGENTLY SEEKING YOUR GRACIOUS
      ASSISTANCE. OUR DISTINGUISHED COLLEAGUES IN THIS BUSINESS TRANSACTION
      INCLUDE THE SITTING VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
      RICHARD CHENEY,WHO IS AN ORIGINAL PARTNER IN THE IRAQ VENTURE AND FORMER
      HEAD OF THE HALLIBURTON OIL COMPANY, AND CONDOLEEZA RICE, WHOSE
      PROFESSIONAL DEDICATION TO THE VENTURE WAS DEMONSTRATED IN THE NAMING OF
      A CHEVRON OIL TANKER AFTER HER. I WOULD BESEECH YOU TO TRANSFER A SUM
      EQUALING TEN TO TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT (10-25 %) OF YOUR YEARLY INCOME TO
      OUR ACCOUNT TO AID IN THIS IMPORTANT VENTURE. THE INTERNAL REVENUE
      SERVICE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WILL FUNCTION AS OUR TRUSTED
      INTERMEDIARY. I PROPOSE THAT YOU MAKE THIS TRANSFER BEFORE THE FIFTEENTH
      (15TH) OF THE MONTH OF APRIL. I KNOW THAT A TRANSACTION OF THIS
      MAGNITUDE WOULD MAKE ANYONE APPREHENSIVE AND WORRIED. BUT I AM ASSURING
      YOU THAT ALL WILL BE WELL AT THE END OF THE DAY. A BOLD STEP TAKEN SHALL
      NOT BE REGRETTED, I ASSURE YOU. PLEASE DO BE INFORMED THAT THIS BUSINESS
      TRANSACTION IS 100% LEGAL. IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO CO-OPERATE IN THIS
      TRANSACTION,PLEASE CONTACT OUR INTERMEDIARY REPRESENTATIVES TO FURTHER
      DISCUSS THE MATTER. I PRAY THAT YOU UNDERSTAND OUR PLIGHT. MY FAMILY
      AND OUR COLLEAGUES WILL BE FOREVER GRATEFUL.

      PLEASE REPLY IN STRICT CONFIDENCE TO THE CONTACT NUMBERS
      BELOW.

      SINCERELY WITH WARM REGARDS, GEORGE WALKER BUSH

    4. Re:Lameness filter? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Informative

      It appears to pass because it exceeds 3000 bytes in length. If you trim the post to 3000 bytes or less it gets rejected with the YELLING message.

    5. Re:Lameness filter? by balloonhead · · Score: 1

      I was wondering how he FP'd such a long comment...

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      This idea was invented by Shampoo.
    6. Re:Lameness filter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hay guyz have you heard this yet

      URGENT ASSISTANCE - FROM USA
      IMMEDIATE ATTENTION NEEDED: HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL
      FROM: GEORGE WALKER BUSH 202.456.1414 / 202.456.1111 FAX: 202.456.2461

      DEAR SIR / MADAM,

      I AM GEORGE WALKER BUSH, SON OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
      STATES OF AMERICA GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH, AND CURRENTLY SERVING AS
      PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THIS LETTER MIGHT SURPRISE
      YOU BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT MET NEITHER IN PERSON NOR BY CORRESPONDENCE. I
      CAME TO KNOW OF YOU IN MY SEARCH FOR A RELIABLE AND REPUTABLE PERSON TO
      HANDLE A VERY CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS TRANSACTION, WHICH INVOLVES THE
      TRANSFER OF A HUGE SUM OF MONEY TO AN ACCOUNT REQUIRING MAXIMUM
      CONFIDENCE.

      I AM WRITING YOU IN ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE PRIMARILY TO SEEK YOUR
      ASSISTANCE IN ACQUIRING OIL FUNDS THAT ARE PRESENTLY TRAPPED IN THE
      REPUBLIC OF IRAQ. MY PARTNERS AND I SOLICIT YOUR ASSISTANCE IN
      COMPLETING A TRANSACTION BEGUN BY MY FATHER, WHO HAS LONG BEEN ACTIVELY
      ENGAGED IN THE EXTRACTION OF PETROLEUM IN THE UNITED STATES OF
      AMERICA,AND BRAVELY SERVED HIS COUNTRY AS DIRECTOR OF THE UNITED STATES
      CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY.IN THE DECADE OF THE NINETEEN-EIGHTIES, MY
      FATHER, THEN VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, SOUGHT TO
      WORK WITH THE GOOD OFFICES OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ TO
      REGAIN LOST OIL REVENUE SOURCES IN THE NEIGHBORING ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF
      IRAN. THIS UNSUCCESSFUL VENTURE WAS SOON FOLLOWED BY A FALLING-OUT WITH
      HIS IRAQI PARTNER, WHO SOUGHT TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL OIL REVENUE SOURCES
      IN THE NEIGHBORING EMIRATE OF KUWAIT, A WHOLLY-OWNED U.S.-BRITISH
      SUBSIDIARY.

      MY FATHER RE-SECURED THE PETROLEUM ASSETS OF KUWAIT IN 1991 AT A COST OF
      SIXTY-ONE BILLION U.S. DOLLARS ($61,000,000,000). OUT OF THAT
      COST,THIRTY-SIX BILLION DOLLARS ($36,000,000,000) WERE SUPPLIED BY HIS
      PARTNERS IN THE KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA AND OTHER PERSIAN GULF
      MONARCHIES, AND SIXTEEN BILLION DOLLARS ($16,000,000,000) BY GERMAN AND
      JAPANESE PARTNERS. BUT MY FATHER'S FORMER IRAQI BUSINESS PARTNER
      REMAINED IN CONTROL OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ AND ITS PETROLEUM RESERVES.

      MY FAMILY IS CALLING FOR YOUR URGENT ASSISTANCE IN FUNDING THE REMOVAL
      OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF IRAQ AND ACQUIRING THE PETROLEUM
      ASSETS OF HIS COUNTRY, AS COMPENSATION FOR THE COSTS OF REMOVING HIM
      FROM POWER. UNFORTUNATELY, OUR PARTNERS FROM 1991 ARE NOT WILLING TO
      SHOULDER THE BURDEN OF THIS NEW VENTURE, WHICH IN ITS UPCOMING PHASE MAY
      COST THE SUM OF 100 BILLION TO 200 BILLION DOLLARS ($100,000,000,000
      -$200,000,000,000), BOTH IN THE INITIAL ACQUISITION AND IN LONG-TERM
      MANAGEMENT. WITHOUT THE FUNDS FROM OUR 1991 PARTNERS, WE WOULD NOT BE
      ABLE TO ACQUIRE THE OIL REVENUE TRAPPED WITHIN IRAQ. THAT IS WHY MY
      FAMILY AND OUR COLLEAGUES ARE URGENTLY SEEKING YOUR GRACIOUS
      ASSISTANCE. OUR DISTINGUISHED COLLEAGUES IN THIS BUSINESS TRANSACTION
      INCLUDE THE SITTING VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
      RICHARD CHENEY,WHO IS AN ORIGINAL PARTNER IN THE IRAQ VENTURE AND FORMER
      HEAD OF THE HALLIBURTON OIL COMPANY, AND CONDOLEEZA RICE, WHOSE
      PROFESSIONAL DEDICATION TO THE VENTURE WAS DEMONSTRATED IN THE NAMING OF
      A CHEVRON OIL TANKER AFTER HER. I WOULD BESEECH YOU TO TRANSFER A SUM
      EQUALING TEN TO TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT (10-25 %) OF YOUR YEARLY INCOME TO
      OUR ACCOUNT TO AID IN THIS IMPORTANT VENTURE. THE INTERNAL REVENUE
      SERVICE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WILL FUNCTION AS OUR TRUSTED
      INTERMEDIARY. I PROPOSE THAT YOU MAKE THIS TRANSFER BEFORE THE FIFTEENTH
      (15TH) OF THE MONTH OF APRIL. I KNOW THAT A TRANSACTION OF THIS
      MAGNITUDE WOULD MAKE ANYONE APPREHENSIVE AND WORRIED. BUT I AM ASSURING
      YOU THAT ALL WILL BE WELL AT THE END OF THE DAY. A BOLD STEP TAKEN SHALL
      NOT BE REGRETTED, I ASSURE YOU. PLEASE DO BE INFORMED THAT THIS BUSINESS
      TRANSACTION IS 100% LEGAL. IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO CO-OPERATE IN THIS
      TRANSACTION,PLEA

  12. MESSAGE No. 419 - MC Frontalot, anyone? by Gamzarme · · Score: 1

    Got Message No. 419 Anyone?

    it was just like a scene in an intrigue film and I'm still not convinced that it wasn't for real This isn't intended for me, I don't think. It's a missive from the edge of despair, I mean brink of total desperation; the communication therein says her hopes for survival are slim and she's writing to the Front, though we've yet to meet, with a confidential matter cause she's heard I'm discreet. And the urgency of her request for my aid is matched by the depth of the trust she displayed. "Don't betray me like our oil minister did, staged a coup and I'm about to flee Nigeria soon but I'll never make it out," she says, with twenty million three hundred twenty thousand US dollars that are still in her possession. She embezzled them, I guess. Look, I don't really know her so uh... that's none of my business. She's the LADY MARYAM ABACHA, deposed. These days can't even get her caps-lock key unfroze but yo, something 'bout a widow in distress (with 20 million dollars hidden in a metal chest) softened up the Frontalot's heart no doubt so I hit the reply button, tell her I can help her out. She writes me back: DEAR FRONTALOT, UNITED STATES... she acts so thankful. A bank full of money awaits! And I hate delays so I'm quick to turn around with my full name and the number to my checking account and the scan of my license to drive an automobile and my passport number proving Frontalot's for real! Then I'll meet the money in Stockholm, ain't gonna walk home, think I'll retire to the south of Spain and sip gazpacho. Not so quick, there's a little problem. LADY A apparently had difficulty running all them numbers I give her, but look, the fake ID's my only one and that's a real passport, I got it off usenet and checked, I'm not dumb. I'm not some idiot who's about to lose your money for you, quicker than I'm getting it and of course my bank balance is negative, whose isn't? That's why I need your 20% money laundering commission. And I'm wishing I could talk about this further with you but I can't. I just got an email from DR. UBUGU of Chad. He's got a hundred and seventy-seven million in a bag. I feel I got to help him 'cause his story is so sad. it was just like a scene in an intrigue film and I'm still not convinced that it wasn't for real

    Mirror, just in case

    --
    Pat
  13. Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I work as a relay operator that does Internet Relay calls which are for the deaf and hard of hearing. They log in, type in their message and we speak it to the person they want to call. Pretty useful for someone who can't hear. Plus it's a pretty easy job that lets me study between calls.

    Unfortunately , Nigerians have discovered this service, and are using it to do scams. Roughly 90% of all Internet Relay calls we get now are Nigerians doing scam calls. There's nothing we can do because it's a mandated service by the government.

    But it's damn annoying to have to relay for someone you KNOW is a Nigerian scammer. Management doesn't do anything because we get paid if it's a scam call or not.

    Meh. No really.

    "PLS I MR JOHNSON JOHNSON FROM NIGERIA PLS I WANT 2 BYE 500 PUPPIES TO SHIP TO LAGOS NIGERIA I HAVE 5000 DOLAR MONEY ORDER GAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGA"

    Anyways, if you ever get a relay call, for god's sake, don't accept a money order to ship anything to Nigeria.

    (posted as Anonymous Coward for obvious reasons)

    1. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Management doesn't do anything because we get paid if it's a scam call or not.

            Wonderful business ethics your management team has. It's like me in my job. I get paid either way if you live or die, since it's the hospital that pays my salary, not you. So why should I care? Right...argue THAT one in court. Better yet, try to live with yourself.

            Have you ever thought of challenging your manager on this issue? You might be ignored, and you might be fired. Or you might be successful. But you will have done SOMETHING about it.

      --
      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    2. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're either a part of the problem or a part of the solution, fuckwad!!!

    3. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by autopr0n · · Score: 1

      A friend of mine tried to sell a motorcycle online once, and got a scam relay call like that, from someone in italy. It was the first we'd heard of the service.

      Anyway, we had a blast crank calling people for weeks after that. Keep up the good work!

      --
      autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
    4. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by mikael · · Score: 1

      So what happens if they use obscene, derogatory, insulting, or threatening language?

      Do you still relay the message?

      --
      Vintage computer adverts: http://www.vintageadbrowser.com/computers-and-software-ads
    5. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Wonderful business ethics your management team has. It's like me in my job. I get paid either way if you live or die, since it's the hospital that pays my salary, not you. So why should I care?

      Have you ever thought of challenging your manager on this issue? You might be ignored, and you might be fired. Or you might be successful. But you will have done SOMETHING about it.


      This I believe is the domain of the FCC... a manager would have absolutly no power or authority to regulate communications from Nigeria.

      The problem is it's very ethical for relay operators to relay "all messages" without any feeling or emotions. They are not a participant nor is it their job to make valued judgements whether business dealings are scams or not. In fact it's their job dispach all messages without prejustice. It's a system for deaf users to communicate to hearing users with all the same expectations for privacy.

      Now I agree that these scammers are exploiting the system, but I for one am at a loss for a resolution that wouldn't infringe on the rights of deaf users. This is something that should be bought to the attention of the FCC, but can not be done by the relay operators as they have a moral and ethical obligation to relay messages from terminals to hearing users without disclosing anything they over hear. I would love it if the operators were required to say "this is a phone call from Nigeria... beware".

      --
      There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
    6. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Of course I did something.
       
      I complained to management. Everyone here complains about Nigerian calls. We make fun of them. We use every damn technicality to get rid of them as fast as we can. Because everyone was so angry about having to do those calls we had a big meeting last month with management. I told them I get over 100-150 prisoners trying to either chat up with a female operator or trying to make a free call through us (speech to speech). Ugh. But if it's not the hundreds of Nigerians, or the prisoners, it's the near constant teenagers doing prank calls.
       
      What we were told is that the Nigerian problem though is a problem for all relay call providers in the US. It has been for years. While I blame management, technically it's the FCC's fault for mandating that we process all calls verbatim.
       
      Simply put, currently, a relay operator has to relay everything verbatim and can't hang up on any caller no mater what. If we do hang up on them, we can get fined. Yay. I hate management for not pushing the FCC hard enough on this. I hate the Deaf and Disabled telecomunications program for not listening to complaints. Nobody cares.
       
      Thankfully I graduate next semester so it'll be someone else's problem.

    7. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what happens if they use obscene, derogatory, insulting, or threatening language? Do you still relay the message?

      Does the post office deliver letters that contain obscene, derogatory, insulting, or threating language?

      Does your telephone automaticly hang up if you use obscene, derogatory, insulting, or threatening language?

    8. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by learn+fast · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You should report all of this stuff to the US Secret Service Financial Crimes Division. They handle international fraud schemes like this.

      Here's their 419 site and a list of crimes they cover

    9. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Simply put, currently, a relay operator has to relay everything verbatim and can't hang up on any caller no mater what. If we do hang up on them, we can get fined."

      Back in college, a good friend of mine abused these lines quite a bit.

      Sadly, he was deaf.

      I'd get a call in the middle of the night and there was a single line message stating this was a speech to text call from XYZ and that was the only thing the operator could say outside of what the friend said.

      He'd start off asking if the operator was a man or a woman and then start telling us what he'd do to this operator. And then get the operator to say quite a bit of sexually explicit talk to make it sound as though it was the operator saying this. I'd apologize to the operator and tell them that my friend is an idiot, and most of the time they would not say ANYTHING, they'd just pass on the message. The few times they'd say anything, they'd tell me they are obligated to say exactly what the deaf user was saying and they cannot deviate from this. And when I'd apologize, he'd start getting abusive to the operator.

      Who says the handicapped can't be just as much an asshole as anyone else...probably why the guy hung out with me and my crew (as we were pretty much known to be jerks back then...some would say still to this day).

      So even though it wasn't you, I apologize for taking part in anything that abuses folks like you that have to undertake this very serious activity so that others can communicate like everyone else (though these days, I skip the phone when I need to get ahold of Deafie and send him an email...for some reason, he is still more happy with phone calls than this medium though...and I hate the phone...hmmm).

      Anonymous because my current work situation is far to politically correct to talk about this type of activity.

    10. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by twistedcubic · · Score: 1

      Yes, they do, as Howard Stern demonstrated on his show last month. It was very uncool of them, but hilarious nonetheless.

    11. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yes. As long as they don't break the rules by trying to talk to the operator, we have to process the call.
       
      Last week, a bunch of teenagers fed a homosexual child porn story to an operator who had to read it in it's entirety. It was about 50 pages long and he had to read it aloud for about 20 minutes until he had to go for his lunch break. I took over the call and heard the called party talking about how funny it was to do these prank calls before I turned off mute. Sadly, since my supervisor was in his office, I accidentaly started reading an article in newsweek about the history of netscape instead of the porn story. For some unknown reason, the called party called me an idiot, and both caller and called party hung up. (how did the caller who typed that story know that I was'nt reading the right text? hrmmmmm)
       
      Naturaly, officialy, the above never happened.
       
      But yes, technicaly, we have to process calls that are obscene, derogatory, insulting, and have threatening language. And I do process a lot of legitimate obscene, derogatory, insulting, and threatening calls. Deaf people can be crude just like hearing people. :)
       
      It's just that the ones trying to defraud the system are more memorable. Sides, it's not like we relay operators can't tell the prank/nigerian/prison callers from "REAL" deaf people, it's just that we can't do anything about it.

    12. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by bani · · Score: 1

      so if someone calls up to use you to relay to the white house in order to make death threats against the president, you have to do it?

      you do realize you'd be the one ending up in prison...

    13. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a question. When you are processing a call, do you use that funny accent speech thingy that deaf people use? I'm just askin' is all.

    14. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      In fact it's their job dispach all messages without prejustice.

            Even if that involves the perpetration of a crime? What a sad, sorry loophole these relay operators are in if that's the case. How can the law expect human beings to act blindly and not think? This can't be right at all. No person or agency government or otherwise can ask another person to participate in a crime (the exception being unless you are a soldier in a time of war and you are told to kill a legitimate enemy, which is not a "crime").

            As a doctor there is NO way I can hide behind patient confidentiality and allow harm to come to my patient or others. I _have_ to report it to authorities. I also have to attempt to warn the potential victim, believe it or not. Why should "privacy" permit a crime to occur? There's something wrong there.

      --
      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    15. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by EvanED · · Score: 1

      What if the conversation contains more than merely threatening language, to the point of, for instance, conspiring to commit a crime?

      Assuming you have to/can report it, where does the line fall?

    16. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by gardyloo · · Score: 0

      I hate the Deaf and Disabled telecomunications program for not listening to complaints.

            *cough* Of course they're not going to listen to the complaints...

    17. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simply put, currently, a relay operator has to relay everything verbatim and can't hang up on any caller no mater what. If we do hang up on them, we can get fined.

      Good! Otherwise it'll be censorship. And if you folks started censoring the calls and the story got to /., there'd be a huge uproar. And exactly how do you decide it's a real scam and not a parody played by a friend?! Hm?

      And to "bani": so if someone calls up to use you to relay to the white house in order to make death threats against the president, you have to do it?
      you do realize you'd be the one ending up in prison...


      No, because these folks are like common carriers. They're just relaying the messages verbatim, so they're not responsible.

      Come on folks!!! If we're going to hold others up to high standards for free speech, we must follow them ourselves. No censorship no matter the circumstance, no slippery slopes!

    18. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by zakezuke · · Score: 2, Informative

      Even if that involves the perpetration of a crime?

      Federal rules require them to make the calls and keep the contents strictly confidential, even if the relay operator suspects fraud.

      What a sad, sorry loophole these relay operators are in if that's the case

      You've said it.

      This can't be right at all. No person or agency government or otherwise can ask another person to participate in a crime

      They are not participating in a crime no more so than a telephone is participating in a crime. They are relaying words on a system that's designated to allow the deaf over terminals tty or otherwise. That is their job and fuction as designated by the FCC. They are not a person but a relay... they have NO legal accountability what so ever.

      Is the post office participating in a crime when they deliver those 419 scam letters? Hell no.

      Their job is to read what's on a screen and to type what they hear... and that is it.

      As a doctor there is NO way I can hide behind patient confidentiality and allow harm to come to my patient or others. I _have_ to report it to authorities. I also have to attempt to warn the potential victim, believe it or not. Why should "privacy" permit a crime to occur? There's something wrong there.

      Why should privacy permit a crime to occur? Because people have rights. What you would sugest would amount to a phone tap for all deaf users. It's generally believed that the deaf should have the same rights as anyone else... hince this wacky loop hole scammers are using. If I were to commit a crime and the only evidence was a an illegal phone tap.... well guess what... it's not admissible.

      I would agree, something needs to be done... but at the same time people like your self have to realise that this is a system designed to give the deaf the same access to the telephone network as hearing users... with the same level of privacy.

      But you are right "something" needs to be done... something that protects the spirit of the system but make it easier to report and blacklist fraudsters.

      --
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    19. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      hmm.. You say you can't hang up.. but do you have to actually copy the call? I mean, you must take breaks sometime right? so can you just refuse to copy the call and hand off to someone else? if all the grunts did that eventually management would have to take the calls or petition for new policy to be made.

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    20. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by jcr · · Score: 1

      Just wondering... Why didn't you kick your friend's ass after the first time he pulled this stunt? Having a disability isn't a license to be an asshole.

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    21. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      I would say that the "something that needs to be done" is for the deaf people in question to take action themselves. Just because someone is deaf doesn't mean they're stupid, and the vast majority of deaf folks have the same critical thinking skills that anyone else does. I can't imagine that most deaf people are running to get their checkbooks when presented with unsolicited calls like that, and I would imagine that the relay operators have something like ANI where they could pass the calling number along to the recipient. With that information, the deaf recipient has everything they need to pursue action against the scammer themselves without the relay operator falling afoul of the law.

      Now the question *I* wonder about - if I was receving such a call from a scammer, my replies to them would probably be fairly well laced with profanity - do the relay operators have to pass that along too? :-)

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    22. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so if someone calls up to use you to relay to the white house in order to make death threats against the president, you have to do it?

      you do realize you'd be the one ending up in prison...


      No, the individual making the call would "end up in prison." The relayer is only a conduit, as specified by law-that's why they can't say anything not typed by the caller. Would you have mail carriers arrested for delivering hate mail?

    23. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am a relay operator as well, so all of this I can back completely. You're right that the deaf community needs to do something... unfortunately, because the deaf people aren't the ones receiving the calls, they don't see firsthand what a problem it is. Also, because of the strict confidentiality rules we have to abide by, we can't just print out a transcript of a fraud call and show it to someone who's deaf. Funny you mention ANI. We do have originator ANI infomation, but all of the originating numbers are from call servers owned by our company; the calls are placed via the internet (a web portal and instant messaging service), so that calling-from number doesn't really matter. And the operators don't get information such as what IP address they're using or their screename. And if you EVER receive a scam relay call... by all means, through as much foul language in there as possible. It would make a relay operator's day if you very explicitly told a scammer exactly what you think of them. God knows it's what we'd all like to say to them but aren't able to. ~lthoth@gmail.com

    24. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope.. we can't report ANYTHING. As long as the calls are directed toward the party they're on the line with, it doesn't matter what the content is. That said, it's fairly common for a relay operator to receive a few "legit" (ie, from actually deaf people) calls related to drug deals and other less than legal things. If we do report something, we'll almost positively lose our job, and we could also be subject to legal ramifications after being fired. I could deal with getting canned; but do I really want to go to jail for something that's not my responsibility? It's a pretty shitty lack of morals they make us swallow before taking the job, but... ~lthoth@gmail.com

    25. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by EvanED · · Score: 1

      Wow, so your confidentiality extends beyond the legal privilege communications of attorney-client, spouses, doctor-patient, etc. Interesting.

      I would have thought it would have been roughly in line.

    26. Re:Nigerian Internet Relay scam calls by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Just because someone is deaf doesn't mean they're stupid, and the vast majority of deaf folks have the same critical thinking skills that anyone else does.

      The people using these service can hear, and use it to talk to hearing people, just via a terminal relay, and more recently via a terminal on the internet.

      While i'm sure there is a record "somewhere" of all phone calls, from my understanding the relay operator doesn't have access to the IP address of the text user, and even if they did, chances are they are in a net cafe, phoning all over america *FOR FREE* using a native speaker as a relay.

      --
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  14. Revenge on a scammer (priceless) by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The first time I read this, I nearly shat myself because it was so funny.

    It's the story of a man who is targeted by Nigerian scammers but gets revenge on them and actually screws them out of some money. The whole thing takes place over several months and includes pictures, audio recordings of phone conversations, email correspondence and other stuff.

    It's quite long, but worth a read if you have the time.

    1. Re:Revenge on a scammer (priceless) by Joey+Patterson · · Score: 0

      That link seems very slow... Here's the Coral Cache link.

    2. Re:Revenge on a scammer (priceless) by cei · · Score: 1

      Actor Dean Cameron ("Chainsaw" in Summer School) did similar and turned it into a play that's currently running at the Edinburgh Festival. He hopes to get some backing for a New York run soon.

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    3. Re:Revenge on a scammer (priceless) by kokeman · · Score: 1

      The original link loaded fast for me, only the images took a while. The link to the Coral Cache took forever to load, and it linked to the same images as the main site. (which are hosted on a separate and much slower server anyway)

      If you're hoping that cache will make it load faster than I'd hate to disappoint you...

  15. But... by HeroreV · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Yes, but do they run Linux?

  16. Who is the thief? by cowboy76Spain · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's see:

    1.- A honest person from the First World receives an email from the empoverished nation of Nigeria. 2.- The email states that if the honest person helps someone to deal an big amount of money from the poor country, he will get a share. 3.- The honest person agrees to help in the theft, and is scammed.

    Morally, I could not care less for the scammed. He was scammed because he tried to steal from someone, not because he wanted to be involved in a legal bussiness.
    From anoter point of view, this is Darwinism at work: people so stupid to get involved would probably have its money lost in other ways.

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    1. Re:Who is the thief? by cowboy76Spain · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sorry for the editing...

      for (int i = 0; i < 100; i++) {
      chalkboard.write("I will use the preview button more often\n");
      }

      --
      Why can't /. have a rich-text editor? Editing your own HTML is so XXth century.
  17. Have a heart. by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 0

    A lot of these people are older folks who grew up in a different time. Many of these victims really shouldn't be managing their own money. And, not everyone was born with good sense, but that doesn't mean they should be fair game for scamming, that's just not right.

    --
    "Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
    1. Re:Have a heart. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why cause you cant handle being wrong, or do you feel sorry for every idiot who willfully commits a fucking crime to get rich (the victims were asked to commit a crime and they obliged) fuck them and their greed.

      these criminals are no worse than the victims, greed and not an ounce of ethics controls both

    2. Re:Have a heart. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blaw, blaw, blaw...

    3. Re:Have a heart. by ozbird · · Score: 2, Funny

      A lot of these people are older folks who grew up in a different time.

      I don't know about them being older folk; to get suckered in by these schemes, they must have been born yesterday.

    4. Re:Have a heart. by Ponzicar · · Score: 3, Informative

      A different time? Have you never heard of PT Barnum, pyramid schemes, snake oil, and patent medicine? Or on this matter specifically: "This type of scam takes different forms of disguises and dates back to 1588 where it was known as the 'Spanish Prisoner' scam." From http://www.scamwatch.gov.au/content/amazing_offers /frauds_hid.asp or see: http://www.answers.com/topic/spanish-prisoner While I know there are some old timers out there, I don't think any were around before the 16th century.

  18. It's baffling how people could fall for it by Cerdic · · Score: 1
    From http://www.419eater.com/html/419faq.htm

    4-1-9 Schemes frequently use the following tactics:

    An individual or company receives a letter or fax from an alleged "official" representing a foreign government or agency.

    An offer is made to transfer millions of dollars in "over invoiced contract" funds into your personal bank account.

    You are encouraged to travel overseas to complete the transaction.

    You are requested to provide blank company letterhead forms, banking account information, telephone/fax numbers.

    You receive numerous documents with official looking stamps, seals and logo testifying to the authenticity of the proposal.

    Eventually you must provide up-front or advance fees for various taxes, attorney fees, transaction fees or bribes.

    Other forms of 4-1-9 schemes include: c.o.d. of goods or services, real estate ventures, purchases of crude oil at reduced prices, beneficiary of a will, recipient of an award and paper currency conversion.

    Considering what it requires one to do (lots of illegal stuff), anyone suckered into one of these probably deserves to be taken.

    --
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    1. Re:It's baffling how people could fall for it by usurper_ii · · Score: 1

      When I first started getting these e-mails and faxes, I thought the scam was that they got your bank routing information and transferred money out of your account. I never could see how someone just having your account number could let them withdraw money from your account.

      What really baffles me now, seeing that that wasn't the scam at all, is that someone willing to hop on a plane and fly to Nigeria, obviously has a little money. I mean, if someone asked me to fly to Nigeria, I couldn't go even if I wanted to. So someone who does go, obviously has a little money to burn. I can't imagine someone who has the brains to make that kind of money is dumb enough to fall for this. What kind of people actually are dumber than dirt and have a large amount of money? Did they win it at the state lotto? Did they win it in Vegas? Did they steal it to begin with? Did they inherit it from a relative who did have some brains? I just don't get it...but I highly doubt anyone who falls for this actually worked to get their money.

      Usurper_ii

  19. An example of this by Mishra100 · · Score: 1

    Here is a shorter example of what these people post for anyone who is interested. From: michael Ezra [mailto: ezrabank6@hotmail.com] To: mishra_cale@excite.com Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:51:07 +0000 Subject: Private Business. From: The Manager,
    International Commercial Bank Ghana
    First Light Branch
    Accra, Ghana.

    Dear Sir

    I got your contact during my search on the Internet. My name is Mr. Michael Ezra.. I am the manager of the International Commercial Bank Ghana, First Light Branch Accra. I am a Ghanaian married with two kids.

    I am writing to solicit your assistance in the noble transfer of US$900,000.00. This fund is the excess of what my branch in which I am the manger made as profit during the last year.
    I have already submitted an approved End of the last Year report for the year 2004 and also submitted report of first quarter of this year 2005 to my Head Office here in Accra and they will never know of this Excess.

    I have since then, placed this amount of US$900,000.00 on a SUSPENCE ACCOUNT without a beneficiary. As an officer of the bank, I cannot be directly connected to this money thus I am impelled to request for your assistance to receive this money into your bank account.

    I intend to part 35% of this fund to you while 65% shall be for me. I do need to stress that there are practically no risk involved in this deal. It is going to be a bank-to-bank transfer to your nominated bank account anywhere you feel safer.

    All I need from you is to stand as the original depositor of this fund. If you accept this offer, I will appreciate your timely response.

    With regards,

    Michael Ezra.



  20. from the scammer himself... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Bo bo Do Bo Bo Ba Bo Do Do Bo *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *cick* *click* *click* *click *cick* *click*click* *click* *click* *click*clk**click* *ick* *click* *cck* *cck* *click* *clik* *click* *click* *click* *click* *cli* click* *cliick* *cck* *click* *click* *click* *click* Bo Bo Bo Bo Ba Bo Throw-Spear Bo Ba Ba Bo Ba Da Da Bo Bee-Bee Ba Da *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click*"

    SO THAT'S HOW HE DID IT!!!!!!!

  21. And this is how I scammed the scammer. by TheGlover · · Score: 2, Informative

    And this is how I scammed the scammer. Don't you just hate those offers to buy a laptop outside of eBay from someone in Nigeria via fake money order? Yeah, me too. Check out this article on my website where I scammed the scammer! http://www.theglover.net/home/node/56

    1. Re:And this is how I scammed the scammer. by Baddas · · Score: 1

      You're going to feel like a real ass if the payment actually shows up, aren't you? :)

    2. Re:And this is how I scammed the scammer. by TheGlover · · Score: 1

      You had better beleive it. But since the BidPay confirmations have major syntax and spelling errors... I think I'm safe. Now, being arrested by US Customs and Boarder Protection and / or being sued... that's another story. lol. Hope you enjoied the article.

  22. Interestingly by soniCron88 · · Score: 1

    Interestingly, perhaps ironically, I frequently get phisher email from iWon.com email accounts. Seems like this story is yet another ad-funnel. Guess phishing offers Slashdot more turnaround than their usuals.

  23. why???? by eight+and+a+quarter · · Score: 1

    why do these scams work? why would someone in a foreign country offer you free money? i get these scams 3-5 times a week.. i see HELLO SIR OR MADAM in the subject line. I KNOW THIS IS A SCAM. if these people knew me, they'd know im a SIR and not a MADAM.

    i should send emails to these people about $20 for a flux capacitor which will get your car 500mpg.. dead sir or madam, e-mail me if interested ;-)

    --
    lameness filter thwarted.
  24. The Good Old Days (tm) by xlr82xs · · Score: 1

    What ever happened to the good old days where you got 419 scams via your fax instead of via email ?

    Because that atleast always gave you the option of sending the scammer a fax of 3 peices of a4 paper taped together back, which if you used white paper didn't really do much to his ink or paper load, but did keep their fax busy for however long it took them to figure out they stopped getting money a few hours ago.

    1. Re:The Good Old Days (tm) by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      which if you used white paper didn't really do much to his ink or paper load

      Why would you go to all that trouble, and not use black paper?

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      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
  25. I hate these scammers... I'm scamming the scammers by TheGlover · · Score: 1

    Don't you just hate those offers to buy a laptop outside of eBay from someone in Nigeria via fake money order? Yeah, me too. Check out this article on my website where I scammed the scammer!

    http://www.theglover.net/home/node/56

  26. A Day in the Life by sound+vision · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I read the news today oh boy 3,000 holes in Windows Long-... Vista And though the holes were rather small They had to exploit it all Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the OK yeah you fill in the rest.

  27. I feel sorry for the poor bastard by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    Spam was invented when it became blindingly obvious that some smartass would type:

    for a in $alladdresses
    do
    qmail-inject $a < blurb.txt
    done

    ...and make a fortune with a four line shell script. But this guy is doing it the hard way and has certainly not heard of scripting.

  28. I hate like hell to post this by kilodelta · · Score: 1

    But not all of Nigeria's 419 scammers are at all intelligent. http://www.419eater.com/html/hall_of_shame.htm/

    1. Re:I hate like hell to post this by statixz · · Score: 0

      Like they can't copy and paste a URL.

  29. something awful email prank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone decided to screw with one of these scammers and recorded the correspondence here.

  30. Why Nigeria by dourk · · Score: 1

    OK, they're Nigerian 419 scams, but why do they only come from nigeria?

    There are bad people all over the world, why don't I get these scams from other countries, or even here in the US?

    --
    Wake up.
    1. Re:Why Nigeria by bani · · Score: 1

      because nigeria is the most corrupt country in the entire world. #1 on the list. the government is totally completely mind-blowingly corrupt. no other country even comes close to the corruption of nigeria.

      that is why the scams overwhelmingly come from nigeria and nowhere else.

    2. Re:Why Nigeria by daremonai · · Score: 3, Informative
      The answer, of course, is that they don't all come from Nigeria. In the 90(!) of them I have received in the last week, they've come from the Netherlands, the UK, Palestine (via France and Ireland), Burkina-Faso, the UAE, China, Iraq (via Switzerland), the Philippines, Cote d'Ivoire [Ivory Coast], Benin, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Spain, India, Liberia, the Congo, Russia, Togo, Swaziland, Ghana, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Senegal, and a couple labeled vaguely "West Africa" or just "Africa." Oh, and a passel of them from Nigeria, of course. [I'm just reporting the nominal origins of the mail here; often this is faked, of course. In fact, a lot of the allegedly Nigerian mail really comes from South Africa or other places.]

      Looking over this crop, it does appear Nigeria still has first place, but the UK, the Netherlands, and Russia in particular are moving up fast. So it's not just a third-world thing.

      To answer your other question, I guess scammers in the US are too busy phishing to bother with relatively labor-intensive deals like the typical Nigerian scam.

      And in case you're wondering, yes, I do have a job where my email address has to be prominently posted on a number of web pages. And yes, I do have 3 layers of spam filtering on the account - these all came out of the spam trap.

  31. Re:FP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    You didn't get FP, idiot. A much better post than your worthless piece of ... junk did.

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  32. Article didn't live up to my expectations by serutan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dang. I was hoping his day would go more like this:

    Wake up.
    Go to internet cafe.
    Discover all my credit cards are maxxed out and my bank accounts are empty. WTF?
    See CNN report about manhunt for international child porn dealer. Hey, that's my photo! That's my address!
    Notice geeky looking guys with laptops at the next table. What are they laughing at?

  33. I've seen this done in Nigeria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In 2002, I was working on a project in Nigeria for a period of about six weeks. During my first day, I stopped into an Internet cafe.

    Posted throughout the room were printed notices warning the patrons that these types of scams were illegal and not tolerated. People are quite aware of this problem, and for the most part frown upon it severely.

    After I took my seat at a PC, as I went about my business, I couldn't help but notice that the person sitting next to me was composing a 419 scam email. (He was using Yahoo mail.) Sure enough, he was typing in the same stereotypical message you've seen numerous times. After he clicked the "Send" button, he immediately began composing a similar message to someone else in his mailing list.

    I couldn't help but steal a glance at the list of messages in his inbox; many of the incoming messages were bounces, as you can imagine, from incorrect addresses.

    After I was finished, I discretely reported his behavior to the manager of the Internet cafe. The manager was young, and thanked me for the tip, but didn't confront the scammer, who was older, larger, and clearly wealthier. And the scamming continued...

    1. Re:I've seen this done in Nigeria by srobert · · Score: 1

      So you surreptitiously read what was on the monitor he was using and then reported his illegal activities to the authorities, huh?
        Good work, citizen!

    2. Re:I've seen this done in Nigeria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not normally a "don't get involved" kind of chap, but you might have been a bit lucky here. After all, for all you knew the manager might have been connected with the scumbags in some way and you might have got a lesson about "noses" and "business"

  34. As a rabid Republican.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not bad... Not real good, frankly, but not bad. What it lacked in humor is made up for in length... or something like that.

  35. people infected with their spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who the hell reads news on iwon.com

    people infected with their spyware ?, i wonder if Claria/Gator have any interesting news on their site too ?

  36. RTFA by DJStealth · · Score: 1
    From TFA:
    Why Nigeria? There are many theories. The nation of 130 million, Africa's most populous, is well educated, and English, the lingua franca of the scam industry, is the official language. Nigeria bursts with talent, from former NBA star Hakeem Olajuwon to Nobel literature laureate Wole Soyinka.
  37. Hakeem Olajuwon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't understand why Nigeria was such a hotbed of internet scamming until this article explained that Nigeria is bursting with talent like Hakeem Olajuwon. Now it all seems so clear.

  38. Slashdot frontpaged a scam site!! by mattr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Boy this was a shocker. Anybody notice the domain the story comes from? iwon.com may belong to askjeeves, but I KNOW I get spam from iwon.com that I never signed up for.

    And look at all their (apparently lucrative) advertisers! Let's see, you can buy Hoodia, Investigate Anyone Anywhere, incredible reload the page and there are more and more banners and text ads.

    What is scary is that it looks partially legit, in that my guess is they actually do run some kind of lottery (I wonder what the legal basis is for running a lottery on the net, sounds awfully lucrative). But I am pretty sure that iwon spams, and that their advertisers are bigger spammers.

    So if the article is about a "cheeky" move by a Nigerian posing as the head of the antifraud department, then I find a spammer posing as a news site, carrying a news story about how spam pays off, and getting paid to do it by spammers, who are getting their page hits from slashdotters who hate spam, to be a utter masterpiece of cheekiness. My hat is off to you Iwon, you won!

    Another thing I would like to note for all those slashdotters who are still laughing and unconvinced (and especially the dude who got past the lame filter and posted an all caps Bush spam message). I am guessing that any people who still get caught by these things are disadvantaged somehow.

    Either they are kids with money, or depressed, or schizophrenic, or fanatically religious, or something, but they are missing something in the immune system that everyone else has. Personally I find the all capitals letters to be especially worrisome. There is most likely a large amount of mental illness in the world not being treated, or treated unsuccessfully, or the result of a temporary fugue of some sort such as normally makes people suicidal. Maybe there are even people who figure someone, anyone else could use the money better than themselves and this is a way of hurting themselves.

    At the very least, it is now mainstream knowledge that just about anyone will cave in if shouted at and abused enough. I strongly believe that the shadiness of Iwon, and the sheer volume of spam with its various types of shouting, exerts a significant pressure on people. This story is about how that works really well, about how it is a natural outcome of a burgeoning, talented, but wild west style country, and about how it still pays if you walk the fine line like Iwon.com does.

    It sounds like a primer that the flopped dotcommers of the next thread should have read before going through their money. One dotcom they mention closed down before using all its cash, while one scammer in the article made 250 million bucks, about 10 times as much, only gave back a tenth of it, and presumably had a nother 200 million left after the 2 years of prison! Who's laughing now?

    1. Re:Slashdot frontpaged a scam site!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yes, iwon.com is wellknown to be involved in the fraud lottery scam, at least as a safe haven for reply mail accounts.

  39. Next time do the right thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And pull out a gun and shoot him in the face. When everyone in the cafe screams in horror simply yell "419 baby!" and walk out.

  40. Yesterday on Howard Stern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone who listened to Howard Stern's show this past friday some woman called in and triggered the posting on this.

  41. Perfect Timing... my own examples by CyborgWarrior · · Score: 3, Funny

    Lol, I've been playing around with one for a little bit now, (just a coupla days actually). Here's the Convo:

    Scammer:
    I lost the first email, but basically he's saying he's british and I have the same last name as somebody rich who just died, so he wants to split the multi-million dollar inheritance with me in exchange for me posing as a relative.

    Me:
    I am interested in your offer. However, I'm not
    satisfied with the percentages. I required 60% to be transferred to me as I am the one taking the risk of legal reprisal by claiming myself as the next of kin. Please contact me for further information.

    Scammer:
    Dear Justin,
    Why have I not hear from you again I have agrred for your 60 40 for peace to reing but remmber you are taking the chance since i can not make this claim alone so let me know your mind so that we can proceed immediately.

    thanks and god bless
    ALFRED
    (caps removed for /. filter)

    Me:
    I am sorry for the delay in communications, I am in the process of moving to a different place of
    residence and have an unreliable Internet connection. What would be the easiest method for you to transfer the funds? I know that such services as Paypal provide an anonymous bank transfer system. If you would rather work directly with a bank account number, I can open a new account in a few days and leave it empty for the
    convenience of easily keeping track of who gets what portion. Also, do you have a bank account number I can have so I can easily facilitate the immediate transfer of your portion of the funds upon your deposit of the complete sum in mine?

    Scammer:
    dear justin,

    i am glad to hear from you today and i must say that you should try to get back to me so that we can be fast to make sure we achieve this goal..as you said if you dont have an account already you can go ahead and open another but if you have i feel there is no needof opening fresh one because all you will do is to forward it to the bank fro the fund transfer.

    before i will give you the bank contact address i will like if you have to know your datas as to know whom i am trusting this fund to his care pending when i come over for the disbursement.and i will also like you to send to me your direct telephone numbers so i can speak with you.

    please try and get back to me as soon as possible so that we can proceed immediately.

    thanks and god bless.

    ALFRED CHINEDU.PHONE 2348033621506

    That's it so far. You know you could almost love these guys if they weren't scammers, they're all so friendly and accomodating! A quick note: I dont know of any paypal method for anonymous transfers, I was just throwing that in there to see if he was dumb enough to give out HIS bank account information.

    --
    If you can't say something nice, make sure you have something heavy to throw.
  42. Ever been tempted to respond just to mess with em? by Solarbeat · · Score: 2, Informative

    This guy did: http://www.yrad.com/ It takes some real talent to put together some of his replies...

  43. Hell, I don't look down on the scammers... by Hosiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They know one thing most of us don't: To ensure your continued success, all you have to do is build upon the foundation of inexhaustable human ignorance. Works in business and politics!

  44. Well deserved by etzel · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have yet to see a Nigerian scam message that looks legit. People who fall for these things are too ignorant or too desperate to make a quick buck. Shame on you rednecks!

    --
    "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
  45. Tracing those calls is frustrating by billstewart · · Score: 1
    I received one of those calls a few years ago. The spammer didn't realize that it was a different time of day here in the Western US, much less that it was Sunday on a holiday weekend, or a loud science fiction convention :-) I tried to get the operator to trace the IP address the spammer was connecting from, but they didn't have the tools to do that. Extremely frustrating, especially since I was working for a phone company, though I don't remember which of the companies was doing the relay.

    Apparently the government not only mandates that they provide the service, but also pays for it (I think it's Universal Service Fund or the Al Gore tax or the Spanish American War telephone tax or something.) And yeah, the employees aren't supposed to be able to tell the recipient "Yes, it's another Nigerian scammer" - tracerouting the source to a Nigerian cybercafe and telling the recipient that that's where it's from would help.

    --

    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  46. Princes by CriminalNerd · · Score: 0

    How come there aren't any news about princes being arrested for scamming? =P

  47. Real origins or Claimed origins? by billstewart · · Score: 1
    I've gotten Nigerian 419 scams *purporting* to be from all kinds of places, but most of them have either been from free email providers (teenmail.co.za is especially popular, so it's still Africa, and virgilio.it or sometimes Hong Kong) or from IP addresses that are satellite connections to Nigeria, typically from cybercafes.

    I've gotten very little that actually comes from African countries other than Nigeria (though obviously the emails pretty randomly pick corrupt countries for the corrupt official or dying cancer patient or whatever to be from, depending on what's been overused recently.) The traceable ones that aren't from Nigeria are usually from the Netherlands, but still seem to be Nigerians using cybercafes or occasionally hosting.

    --

    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  48. Stupid Greedy People, mostly.... by billstewart · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I really liked the early 419 scams, where the perp was claiming to be some corrupt official trying to illegally ship stolen money around, because anybody who fell for them was themselves corrupt and greedy and couldn't go to the cops because they were participating in what they *thought* was a criminal activity, though in reality they were the victim as well as a wannabee perp. Too bad the rest of us have to be inundated with spam in the process.

    The newer ones are too tame - the fake lotto scams exploit stupid greedy people (but so do the government-run lotteries they're usually pretending to compete with), and the "dying cancer patient wants to do something good with the rest of her life" tearjerkers are really only exploiting the gullible, who don't deserve to be abused the way the classic 419 victims do.

    --

    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  49. I stopped getting 419's by sik+puppy · · Score: 1

    I just emailed them a picture of some south african getting necklaced. No replies, comments or anything - the spams just stopped. I guess they got the hint.

    --
    The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. Shakespeare, Henry VI, Part 2, Act 4, Scene 2
  50. a little chat by rndmcnlly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Heres a transcript of my chat with a scammer on Y! messenger. We had been talking via email for about a week. http://adamsmith.as/typ0/crack.txt

    1. Re:a little chat by DannyiMac · · Score: 1

      Brilliant! That was hillarious! Too bad you couldn't scam the scammer, but he was falling for it.

      --
      - Danny
  51. Nigerian Civil Rights Union by Phoinix · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear Mr/Ms/Mrs Slashdotter,

    We here in Nigeria are learning from you guys and we have established the first Nigerian Civil Rights Organization dedicated to defend our birth right to scam people. We are currently gathering funds and we need your help. In return, we will name a chapter of our organization after you. Please send us any amount of money you have; $5000 is a good start.

    And God Bless You.

    Sincerely

    GW
    The Nigerian Civil Rights Union

    P.S. You may be puzzled by the lack of obvious spelling mistakes in this email, well fear not since an English teacher has just joined our ranks.

  52. They're really doing it manually by Pegasus · · Score: 1

    I'm an admin for a medium sized free webmail and I regulary observe 419 folks creating accounts manually and using them to send their shit out, manually. I'd say they have a text file of addresses and some body templates where they just change the names, copy/paste it into the webmail and click send. Once I observed some nigr doing this for eight hours straight. They must be really desperate ...

    Btw, I have most of the IP spaces of Nigeria, Lagos and Ivory coast in my firewall by now. It seems like the only way to get rid of them.

  53. Re:Self preservation (c/trojans/greeks/g) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    crap, i'm asleep. I meant greeks with horse/greeks with swords c/trojans/greeks/g

  54. Ebay Nigerian Scammers by LogicX · · Score: 1

    While they're doing a crackdown -- they should hit up my Nigerian Ebay Scammer.

    --
    May this post be indexed by spiders, and archived for all to see as my Internet epitaph.
    1. Re:Ebay Nigerian Scammers by DisgruntledGirl · · Score: 1

      I made an acct just for you (^_^). Nice to see a fellow Ebay Scam Hunter. I've bookmarked your page and await to see how you'll further burn this guy. Contact me anytime to talk about Ebay Scam Killing.

  55. check out this scammer-scammer by bobcave · · Score: 1

    I don't know if anyone's mentioned this guy yet, but he (they) really jerk these 419 scammers around pretty good.
    www.ebolamonkeyman.com


    --
    There is no such thing as 'chocohol' or 'workahol'.
  56. Nigerian EBAY SCAMS! by orateam · · Score: 1
    I have seen EBAY scams become rampant.

    They buy your auctions using buyitnow and send Spoof'd paypal emails to you tha it has been paid.

    The typical email look like this:

    Hello,

    I bought your item using BUY IT NOW. A friend introduced me to eBay, he said I could buy things at cheap rates and get it shipped to me. This item is meant to be a birthday gift to my best friend who works with the Netherlands High Commission in Africa.

    I am a scientist and I work with the Tennessee Forestry Research Institute. I am not in the city but in the forest as I have an ongoing project presently. I won't be able to ship directly to my friend in Africa due to my busy schedule. I will pay you using Bidpay Postal Order and I will also add a postage cost, you can either post via DHL or Fedex priority as I would like the item to get to her soonest as her birthday is getting closer.

    Her address is as follows; Mrs. Folorunsho Akinlawon 14 Iyo Street Akintan Meiran

    Lagos State. 234001

    Nigeria. Warm Regards

    You will also get an email from paypal@bullshitemail.com

    Greetings,We want to inform you that your money has been processed already and it is ready to be credited into your paypal account,And also the pin number given you by us (PayPal RoutingCode: C826-L023-Q999-T5266) is the number to know the processing of your money because we process many order online,But we need the shipment tracking number for shipment verification in other to secure both the buyer and the seller,So kindly ship out the package immediately and mail us back with the shipment tracking number for verification..

    Here's another 'purchase' i got :

    Dear Seller Am Mrs Mariah Jones,I saw your item on ebay so i took interest in it and decided to buy it for my Fiance in Nigeria so i will be glad to know the cost of the item with shippmet to nigeria through DHL and also get back to me with your full name and paypal email address so that i can make the payment Asap via PAYPAL ok here is her postal address below where the item will be shipped to ok get back to me as soon as you through with the enquires so that i can proceed with the payment asap. Name....Ademola.A.Tomisola Address..55 yaya abatan street ijaiye ogba Agege Lagos Nigeria 23401

    1. Re:Nigerian EBAY SCAMS! by clockpenalty · · Score: 1
      mmm.

      Interesting... those addresses appear to be real. The names most definitely do not appear to be made up (most names on 419 mails are obviously fictitious to any native observer.... Dr. john usman danjuma? please.)

      I'd never attempt to buy anything online, least of all on ebay, mostly cos I'm sure the reputation built up on the 'net by these scammers will make anyone with half a brain throw my request in the bin as soon as he sees 'Lagos, Nigeria'. Such a pity, really. I've been thinking of getting myself a mastercard, but since I heard that amazon.com does not honour Nigerian billing addresses, I wondered, what's the point?

      The irony of it all is this: Most goods acquired through credit card fraud and 'yahoo yahoo-ing' are sold dirt cheap, over here- much cheaper than if they had been purchased legitimately. *shrug* that's what life is like, ne?

      --
      Shinsengumi de gozaru
  57. Re:I hate these scammers... I'm scamming the scamm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thats great man! I bookmarked the page so I can find out end of the story

  58. Peer to peer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Encode some music files and transfer those as peer-to-peer. Take a speech recognition program and decode. Will RIAA sue the government for making a system you can transfer copyrighted files with?

    Seriously. That system needs common sense. Nigerian scams and abusive stuff should not be sent. People have a skill of judgment. The calls could be taped. If someone feels there is a wrongdoing, let them escalate the issue. Then a board would listen to the tape and decide.

  59. Heres a new flavor of the 419... by sargeUSMC · · Score: 1

    Just got this one this morning. I'm a winner baby! .Apologies for the poor formatting, but I posted it "as is" (or would be that "as was"). Anyways:

    FROM:THE DESK OF THE MANAGING DIRECTOR
    INTERNATIONAL/PRIZE AWARD DEPT
    REF:PL2/209318/09
    BATCH:18/103/HME.
    Attn:Dear Sir/Madam
    We are pleased to inform you of the result of the
    Lottery Winners International programs held on the
    23/3/2004. Your e-mail address attached to ticket
    number 653164251591-6011 with serial number
    7321410,batch number 7151085135,lottery ref number
    6376527711 and drew lucky numbers 4-9-17-36-44-78
    which consequently won in the 1st category, you have
    therefore been approved for a lump sum pay out of
    US$1.500,000.00 (One Million, Five Hundred Thousand
    United States dollars)
    CONGRATULATIONS!!!
    Due to mix up of some numbers and names, we ask that
    you keep your winning information confidential until
    your claims has been processed and your money Remitted
    to you. This is part of our security protocol to avoid
    double claiming and unwarranted abuse of this program
    by some participants. All participants were selected
    through a computer ballot system drawn from over
    40,000 company and 20,000,000 individual email
    addresses and names from all over the world. This
    promotional program takes place every year. This
    lottery was promoted and sponsored by
    Association of software producers. we hope with part
    of your winning,you will take part in our next year
    US$20 million international lottery. To file for your
    claim, please contact our paying officer:
    Contact Person:Mr.Paul Zimmerman
    TEL:+31-617 786 389
    FAX: +31-847 518 429
    Email:adsqueen_rhoda07@yahoo.de
    Remember, all winning must be claimed not later than
    14th of August 2005. After this date all unclaimed
    funds will be included in the next stake. Please note
    in order to avoid unnecessary delays and complications
    please remember to quote your reference number and
    batch numbers in all correspondence.
    Furthermore, should there be any change of address do
    inform our agent as soon as possible.
    Congratulations once more from our members of staff
    and thank you for being part of our promotional
    program.
    Note:
    Anybody under the age of 18 is automatically
    disqualified.
    yours Sincerely,
    Mrs.Queensley Rhoda,
    For Management.

  60. Scammers. by daed350 · · Score: 1

    I've noticed a ridiculously larger amount of these e-mails coming through, especially the lotto scams. For a split second I saw the website and got excited.. then I realized I was retarded. How does this activity go unpunished by the governments of foreign countries?

  61. the new nigerian scam by bonezed · · Score: 1

    it has evolved, My father was almost taken in.

    a west african company (looked like non-nigerian) wanted to import bottled water. My Dad was all set to do it until I did some investigation and found that some of the corrospondence was very Nigerian scam like, plus a lot of the communication details (phone numbers, address' etc) were leading back to Nigeria.

    anyway, long story short, DO NOT do business deals with any West African companies, just to risky.

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    ---- Put Sig here:
  62. Old people by lorcha · · Score: 1
    Old people find it utterly incomprehensible that their grandkids can send them a letter through the computer, free of charge, and instantaneously. Is it such a stretch that someone from Nigeria is offering to send them money through the computer? Not if you're already floored by e-mail to begin with. As far as they're concerned, that box on their desk nothing short of pure magic.

    To someone who's grown up with computers, e-mail is boring, old technology. That someone from Nigeria wants to send you money is laughable, and because you aren't amazed by email to begin with, you can see the scammers for what they are.

    I bet many people who respond to 419'ers through email would junk the very same message if it came through postal mail.

    --
    "Avoid employing unlucky people - throw half of the pile of CVs in the bin without reading them." -- David Brent
  63. Some times we take the calls by floormasn56 · · Score: 1

    To suck the stolen credit card numbers from them then call them in to the banks. Some times we get 2 or 3. They usually want to buy 1000 ink carts but then we offer to sell them 10 laptops at cost but we need another credit card number to process the laptop order. They tend to jump all over that offer.