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Google Talk Available Early
smash writes "Google's new IM service is already live. All you need is a Jabber-compatible Instant Messaging client (such as Apple's iChat, or gaim), and a GMail address." This should answer, at least in part, all of the speculation that has been flying around the net over the last couple of days. Update: Many users have been eager to let us know that Google Talk in indeed live.
Stay tuned to Google tomorrow for details.
Er, is that one http://tomorrow.google.com/ ?
Any word on when Gmail is going to go public? Last I heard google news was waiting because of it's inability to create revenue because they were using other peoples news or some such. But the mail portion has adds and the like, so I guess it is able to make revenue.
What is a google?
Use the power of google search to find juicy tidbits in other's google talk conversations!
... with all the other IM servies I have to sign in on at once to be in contact with everyone. MSN, AIM, misc jabber servers... and on and on. I wonder what google thinks they're going to add to chat services?
I just created my account. I'm cbergeron.
I'm bgates$$. Please feel free to add me to your list.
r u google? omfg! lol
Um. Jabber is a full fledged messaging program.
This is basically just google providing a public jabber server. I haven't gotten around to setting one up for myself, but have wanted to use a high quality, highly available, reliable jabber server to stick an account on. Now that google is doing it - I absolutely will.
This is exactly what I said they should do in the first place. Hurray!
-- For iChat, just enter the information above.
1. Add an account, select "Jabber" as the protocol.
2. Your screen name is everything before the '@gmail.com'.
3. Server is 'talk.google.com' as listed above.
4. Click "show more options" and make sure "use TLS if available" is checked. Leave "Force old SSL" and "allow plaintext..." unchecked for now. Connection port should be 5222, connection server should be blank... if not just 'talk.google.com' without the quotes.
5. Ta-da! Just login and you should be good-to-go.
All the trouble and... no one's online. Anyone wanna break it down why I should use this thing?
All it is is proof that google has a public jabber server.. One can assume they will be releasing a client anyday now... Let them at least... ANNOUNCE the product before you judge it.
- what is the definition of simultanagnosia?! I've been meaning to look it up!
the point is... google is teh cool
My other sig is crap too
GAIM won't let me on, using me@gmail.com as a username, it seems to be trying to resolve me@gmail.com@talk.google.com and fecking it up. anyone have ideas?
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Google Talk is great, but what I REALLY need is 'Google ShutUp' to make the irritating people I know go away while providing them with targetted, text-based ads.
There's another nice jabber client for windows available here http://www.miranda-im.org/.
It supports AIM, ICQ, Jabber, IRC, MSN and maybe some others.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
Will they release an office suite?
Will they release a browser?
Will they release a line of refrigerators?
Will they purchase Oracle?
Will they purchase Uruguay?
Will they hire Stallman?
Will they hire Ballmer?
Will they hire Peter Griffin?
I sure as hell don't know, but I'm sure I'll hear about it constantly on GashDot. Um... I mean Slashoogle. Er, that is... Slooshdot. Eh, fuck it.
I'm very happy that this indicates they may be using the Jabber protocol for IM. I've been using it for my friends and family (I run my own Jabber server behind an OpenVPN network) for quite some time now and it's a much nicer protocl than any of the other ones out there. The main reason being that it's free/open. Plus, I don't need to change my chosen clients to talk to the rest of the world now since anyone who matters (to me) has a GMail account. Here's to Google making a wise choice yet again! :)
-"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
I wonder if they will add Google-style spellchecking... omfg lol rofl - Did you mean "I'm a sad script kiddy?"
My other sig is crap too
Ok, so their server works. That's the part that most of us don't care about. What sort of client will GIM be using? Isn't that what makes it or breaks it for most of us?
It's going to be great to be able to leverage Google search stuff into IM conversations. I know, we already have logs and Google Desktop, but the same could have been said about email prior to Gmail. I know I make use of Gmail's powerful search on at least a weekly basis. After your messages reach the thousands, it makes things so much easier, and I'm sure most people IM more than they email.
'Every story, if continued long enough, ends in death.' --Ernest Hemingway
The reasoning behind google sponsoring so many people to work on GAIM for summer of code? Maybe they will release a gaim based client?
(Thirty-odd comments and the site is little slow. Just in case...)
:)
I'm on Google Talk right now.
Google Talk = Google's new IM service that they're announcing tomorrow.
All you need is a Jabber-compatible Instant Messaging client (such as Apple's iChat, or GAIM), and a GMail address. Digg this, NOW!
WELCOME SLASHDOT!
Server: talk.google.com
Username: youremail@gmail.com **OR** youremail@talk.google.com (pick one)
Password: yourpassword
Note: If you can't login, try to turn off 'Secure Messaging' or 'Encryption'... etc.
-- TRILLIAN USERS: Someone just told me that they got it working with Trillian, but I can't verify this. Just go to Trillian's plugin page on their site and download the Jabber plug-in, install it, and configure a new connection as below:
"server : talk.google.com
port : 5222
Use legact SSL for connection : not checked"
How to set it up with GAIM on Windows/Linux, or Adium on the Mac:
-- For iChat, just enter the information above.
1. Add an account, select "Jabber" as the protocol.
2. Your screen name is everything before the '@gmail.com'.
3. Server is 'talk.google.com' as listed above.
4. Click "show more options" and make sure "use TLS if available" is checked. Leave "Force old SSL" and "allow plaintext..." unchecked for now. Connection port should be 5222, connection server should be blank... if not just 'talk.google.com' without the quotes.
5. Ta-da! Just login and you should be good-to-go.
Another user reports the following:
"weird, I've never sent you email from my gmail, and now that you're on my buddy list on google talk, it autofilled your email address, and alias on my gmail"
-- The "/me" command works too, even on iChat. "/me says hi" translates to "smash says hi" or whatever if you're not familiar!
Feel free to IM around with fellow GMail users just by adding their addresses to your list! I'm not sure how long this is going to work, but let's make the best of it.
UPDATE: I'm online right now, give me a hollar if you're able to login! I'm talking with someone I added to my list.
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
Now I have yet another account with no buddies in Gaim.
I've been using http://adium.sourceforge.net/ for a while now, it totally rocks.
Then this oughta give you the creeps.
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
Despite attempts at breaking into the instant messenging market, I believe AOL still rules the market, atleast here in the US. Yahoo, MSN, etc. didn't really decrease the market share of AIM. I doubt this Google IM thing will be any different.
In europe MSN is pretty much king and yahoo second. Almost no one uses AIM.
And which architecture was designed with the ability and the intention to bridge to those existing services?
Right - only Jabber.
Microsoft gets a bit of its own poison - embraced and extended by an open standard.
Does anyone know if Hello will work with Google Talk? I don't feel like having to run Hello and Google Talk. However, if they do both work together, what would be the point of Google having both Hello and Google Talk?
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison
looks like it allows connections from tor servers. I love routing my IM's over tor to stop prying eyes. ;-)
The reason for their distribution pattern is a little to prevent abuse, a little to create a community network and to be honest, it was a really good beta testing idea.
It prevents spammers auto-registering a ton (if someone starts to invite a bunch of spam bots, you can easily trace and break the propagation chain) and prevented the server from being overloaded during the initial run.
From a Computer Science and Social Engineering standpoint, it was/is a good setup. Get over it.
some news agencies are quoting a AP press report:
http://www.kron4.com/Global/story.asp?S=3757295
Is there anyway to get a list of conference rooms on Google Talk?
You say things that offend me and I can deal with it. Can you?
I've been using Google Talk for a little while with my Gmail account and iChat. One interesting thing I noticed is every time you send an e-mail in Gmail, that person is automatically added to your buddy list as "Not Authorized" (where users I add are "Waiting for Authorization", at least until I talk to them). This is kind of annoying, since there are lots of people I contact using Gmail that I know will never get Jabber (for example, a mailing list e-mail address).
Other than that, it seems really neat. Oh, also, icons and offline IM don't appear to work. If someone knows how to get those to work, I'd be interested to hear it.
Andrew
PS: You can jabber me at adpowers@gmail.com
Google Talk ... and all that dark fibre Goggle has been buying up? This isn't just about instant messenger - Google is building the next voice communications network! With their new WiFi hotspots - it could be wireless voice communications (at least if you're in a major center).
Bee-bee-boo-boop "Picard to all phone companies: You are being replaced."
- The Kessel run is for nerf herders. I can circumnavigate the entire Central Finite Curve in a lot less than 12 parse
I've got it working via Trillian Pro, and posted the details here: here. Works great, but nothing to get excited about. Right now it looks and acts like a standard Jabber server. I'm more interested to see if they'll include connectors for the other IM networks (I suspect they will) and what the Google Talk client looks like. With multi-network support, a no-nonsense UI (while most IM programs are nonsense-full), and voice chat (or better yet, VoIP) support -- Google Talk will rock.
What does that tag cloud look like? http://www.jeffhester.net/
I understand that (a) Jabber is XML and open protocol and all that, and (b) anyone can install a Jabber server, and (c) Jabber provides secure connections to said server, in Google's case by default.
Granted all this. But speaking as someone who's just running a client, why should I care? Aside from the secure connection, will chatting on Jabber be much different for me than chatting on Yahoo or AOL or ICQ?
With GMail, there's a web-based client which has a lot of whiz-bang features that clearly distinguish it from AOL Webmail or Yahoo Mail. But I need a chat client to connect anyway, and it's the client's features that impress me, not the protocol.
Hmm, perhaps I just answered my own question.
Myself and a buddy of mine just got kicked off. Think they found out and shut it down? Any others having the problem?
We could use a group search feature. If we all are talking via IM why not let one person search and have everyone access the results?
I logged in earlier, but now I'm blocked.
Another thing some people might have noticed is that reverse DNS for talk.google.com is toolbar.google.com. Now have a look at JEP0151.
No GNU has been Hurd during the making of this comment.
For those people using Psi:
You will get SSL cert warnings, but you can get rid of them via the "Ignore SSL warnings" checkbox (but do so at your own risk!).
You can still log in to the server! You just need to fudge it a little.
:cool:
In Gaim's "Server" field put in gmail.com.
But, in the "Connect server" field put in talk.google.com.
Now, connect
From http://www.google.com/intl/en/corporate/tenthings. html
Google does search. Google does not do horoscopes, financial advice or chat.
(Guess they better remember to update that page when they make the announcement...)
And the real burning question - When can I get my Googlescope???
Did I say overlords? I meant protectors.
Here are the exact settings that are working for me as of this current timestamp:
Gaim: 1.5
Protocol: SILC
Screen Name: [Google Account username]
Network: talk.google.com/Gaim
Password: [Google Account password]
Alias: [Blank]
For "Show More Options", use the defaults.
Good luck!
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2005/08/23/googe-talk -review/
Wrong. Jabber is a instant messaging protocol (a great one, by the way). If you are talking about the chat application, then you should call it a jabber client.
For more information check out jabber's site
Slashdot, fix your code or at least hire someone who is competent at it to do it for you.
Used my gmail address for username, same pw.
On the second Tab I checked the first 3 boxes and set the server to talk.google.com with port auto set to 5223.
I had an error with qca tls on connection, but an apt-get install qca-tls later I was online.
Now if only all my contacts would get over to google messenger we would be set...
JCLoony [is at] gmail [you know the rest]
On Arrakis: early worm gets the bird. Magister mundi sum!
Here's how you can connect to all 5 IM protocols with Apple's iChat.
u gh-jabber
:-)
http://allforces.com/2005/05/06/ichat-to-msn-thro
It works flawlessly and yes, it uses Jabber
Animoog.org
Hmmmm, as of this point it doesn't appear that you can have contacts on other jabber servers.
The whole point of jabber is that servers are distributed, the server name is part of the JID (Jabber ID) which means that JID's look a lot like email addresses.
I hope the inability to have contacts with non @gmail.com JID's is merely a pre-launch wrinkle.
Command attempted to use minibuffer while in minibuffer
Apparently a Google Talk client already exists:
k -review/.
The folks over at Download Squad have a copy. Read the review: http://www.downloadsquad.com/2005/08/23/googe-tal
Now I'm just hoping we all get a copy damn soon.
I've got mine setup in gaim as:
Screen Name: ashlux
Server: gmail.com
TLS: checked
Port: 5222
Connect Server: talk.google.com
And it works just fine.
I posted instructions on using Trillian with GoogleIM on my site.
-nick
You only need one Jabber ID to talk to every internet-connected Jabber server out there. You only need to register your logins on the other IM systems and you've just obsoleted the need for Trillian, Gaim, Kopete and all the other half-assed attempts at IM unification. You're thinking this is added complexity, when it's actually complexity removed.
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Jabber's use of a dedicated SSL port is legacy and deprecated behavior, in favor of using STARTTLS to negotiate SSL on the normal port.
That's how they "get off".
- close miranda
- go to plugins folder and make a copy of the jabber.dll to gtalk.dll
- start miranda
- username: gmail username without the @gmail.com
- password: gmail password
- Login Server: gmail.com
- Use SSL checked
- Manually specify connection host checked
- Host: talk.google.com
- Port: 5223
This works as of this posting.
I forgot to mention to get these dll's and put them into the Miranda folder (not the plugins subdirectory):
http://jabber.au.edu/miranda/openssl097d_dll.zip
You don't need to ask someone for an invite anymore...
https://www.google.com/accounts/SmsMailSignup1
Jabber is an open protocol and XML-based.
Read some more on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabber
The Google Talk developer's page gives a good overview of Google's short-term plans for GTalk, such as partnering with Earthlink and Sipphone (or federating as they call it)
"It's like the Federation of Planets on your Star Trek program."
"Ohhhhhh"
Well then, I clicked on the video icon in my iGoogleChat buddy list to start a video chat with my friend, and it worked just fine. User experience and video qualkity were the same as "native iChat". Not sure who's "fault" this is -- iChat for managing to send video presence info through Jabber, or Jabber for supporting video presence. Whoever is responsible though: well done.
[ReidNews]
Hey, at least, they don't use a proprietary protocol to talk to us :P
Cesar Cardoso can be found at cesar at zyakannazio dot eti dot br (or at least I believe so)
Ha! Begging for Gmail invites! That's so 2004.
In the Google Talk client, in the icon tray, select About. Notice on the bottom light grey characters on the which background. They read: "play 23 21 13 16 21 19 7 1 13 5" Using a=1, z=26, it translates to: "play wumpus game" Not sure what to do with it, just thought it was interesting that it was there. Investigating...
I'll see your buddy-free accounts and raise you a buddy-free server. So that my excessively arrogant and self-centered e-mail address would be matched with an equally cocky IM address, I ran my own Jabber server for several years and had on it just the one account and on that account zero contacts.
After a bit more investigating, you can add the gmail user, er bot, wumpus.game@gmail.com and type "play" in the chat window to play the classic wumpus game.
from Wikipedia "wumpus": Hunt the Wumpus was an important early computer game. It was based on a simple hide-and-seek format, featuring a mysterious monster (the Wumpus) that lurked deep inside a network of rooms. Using a command line text interface, the player would enter commands to move through the rooms, or shoot arrows along crooked paths through several adjoining rooms. There were twenty rooms, each connecting to three others, arranged like the vertices of a dodecahedron (or the faces of an icosahedron). Hazards included bottomless pits, super bats (which would drop the player in a random location) and the Wumpus itself. When the player had deduced from hints which chamber the Wumpus was in without entering it, he would fire an arrow into the Wumpus' chamber to slay it. However, firing the arrow into the wrong chamber would startle the Wumpus, which might then devour the player. [...] Versions of Hunt the Wumpus are currently available all over the Internet, for almost all operating systems and machines, including Linux, Palm Pilot handheld computers, and mobile phones. The first bot on IRC was a multiplayer Hunt the Wumpus game, in which firing an arrow into a room with other players caused another player to be killed: "Foo is hit in the back with an arrow!" Unfortunately, the "Wumpus-o-Matic" player never made it off the drawing board. See also Rog-O-Matic. Wumpus have also made an appearance in the TCG Magic: The Gathering, specifically in the 1999 Mercadian Masques expansion. They appear mainly in the art for green cards in the set, though two are playable creatures: the appropriately named Hunted Wumpus, and also Thrashing Wumpus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wumpus
This is what happened to the guy who spread the news early on:o tostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/smash/36648272/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/smash/36659424/in/ph
Simpy
rumor has it - invite wumpus.game@gmail.com, then IM it 'play'
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True, but they don't allow gmail users to add jabber users from other servers. Also they block any sort of communcation (chat or message) from other jabber servers. Doesn't seem very open to me.
The about box in the windows client says that it includes audio components from Global IP Sound. I don't know anything about the Jabber protocol's capabilities but maybe the whole voice chat thing is the selling point?
Yeah, it's a nice little game. It lacks the long text discriptions of the bsdgames version, no mention of falling to the center of the earth to see if you stop there.
SAILING MISHAP
I don't see what your point it?
In my opinion, using jabber in a mainstream IM client (ie, one that is going to be used by joe schmoe and susy ann in jr. high keyboarding class while the teacher isn't looking) is a dramatic step forward.
Google is competing head on with the services that yahoo, aol, and msn provide. Only they are doing it using open standards, and allowing 3rd party clients. From my perspective, this is equivilent of Google putting the rest on notice:
"Look, we aren't going to let you rape your users anymore. We are going to do what you do... Properly."
I think this is a great step forward. Sure, you might think it is a waste of time in the long run.. and you might be right. But something like this NEEDED to be done in order to get the other IM services to play fair. Everyone already knows that the other services would have never opened their protocols without something like this coming forward. The rest will be required to follow suit or bail out of the business. (you may not see it now, but it is coming.. just watch)
Your ignorance is infinitely greater than you realize.
"Griffin in finance or the mythical creature?"
"Whichever is harder."
You're right to be concerned.
You're wrong to blame Google for it, though. All Google is doing is making the technology of surveillance more obvious. Your emails and IMs aren't, and never were, private. Unless you were using some form of end-to-end encryption, that is. But for the vast majority of people, that assumption of privacy, at least when it comes to the Internet, is just that: an assumption. And a very poor one at that.
Frankly, I like GMail. I think everyone ought to use it. Okay, not really. But I like that it makes people like my parents, who despite years of cautioning never gave a second thought about emailing someone their bank routing number or Amex-online account login, think twice about what they type in. You can rail all day to people about how email is really nothing more secure than a postcard, passed from machine to machine across the network, but that's all very abstract. The first time you notice how those GMail ads seem to eerily change depending upon what you're writing about, the whole thing becomes more clear.
Google isn't invading your privacy. It's just making you aware of the fact that you never had any.
Of course, people say, before Google existed and thousands of users' emails were archived and indexed, intercepting email was hard. Okay, point granted. But really how hard? Certainly not outside the reach of government agencies. If you're really afraid of the three-letter-guys, then everything Google does to drive the unencrypted=insecure link home to the average user is good.
Because the only privacy you'll get on the internet is the kind you create for yourself. The more users who realize this and the sooner they take steps to implement it, the better. When everyone starts actually encrypting their email and messaging, then we'll actually have some privacy for the government to try and invade.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
But what if a major event happened and everyone needed to email each other to say everything's okay??? Would Google have enough space to hold all the emails?? I demand to have a federal email corporation that insures that there's enough space in times of emergencies! If Google runs out of space, then the government should give us enough space for 100,000 emails. Otherwise, the people who send emails first will get all the email space and everyone else will be silenced and forced on the streets (to talk to people in person, God forbid!!).
my blog
wumpus.game: Welcome hagrin@gmail.com/Talk.v64E5DFD1CB
INSTRUCTIONS (Y-N)
Robert: Y
wumpus.game: WELCOME TO 'HUNT THE WUMPUS'
THE WUMPUS LIVES IN A CAVE OF 20 ROOMS. EACH ROOM
HAS 3 TUNNELS LEADING TO OTHER ROOMS. (LOOK AT A
DODECAHEDRON TO SEE HOW THIS WORKS-IF YOU DON'T KNOW
WHAT A DODECAHEDRON IS, ASK SOMEONE)
HAZARDS:
BOTTOMLESS PITS - TWO ROOMS HAVE BOTTOMLESS PITS IN THEM
IF YOU GO THERE, YOU FALL INTO THE PIT (& LOSE)
SUPER BATS - TWO OTHER ROOMS HAVE SUPER BATS. IF YOU
GO THERE, A BAT GRABS YOU AND TAKES YOU TO SOME OTHER
ROOM AT RANDOM (WHICH MAY BE TROUBLESOME)
TYPE AN E THEN RETURN
WUMPUS:
THE WUMPUS IS NOT BOTHERED BY HAZARDS (HE HAS SUCKER
FEET AND IS TOO BIG FOR A BAT TO LIFT). USUALLY
HE IS ASLEEP. TWO THINGS WAKE HIM UP: YOU SHOOTING AN
ARROW OR YOU ENTERING HIS ROOM.
IF THE WUMPUS WAKES HE MOVES (P=.75) ONE ROOM
OR STAYS STILL (P=.25). AFTER THAT, IF HE IS WHERE YOU
ARE, HE EATS YOU UP AND YOU LOSE!
YOU:
EACH TURN YOU MAY MOVE OR SHOOT A CROOKED ARROW
MOVING: YOU CAN MOVE ONE ROOM (THRU ONE TUNNEL)
ARROWS: YOU HAVE 5 ARROWS. YOU LOSE WHEN YOU RUN OUT
EACH ARROW CAN GO FROM 1 TO 5 ROOMS. YOU AIM BY TELLING
THE COMPUTER THE ROOM#S YOU WANT THE ARROW TO GO TO.
IF THE ARROW CAN'T GO THAT WAY (IF NO TUNNEL) IT MOVES
AT RANDOM TO THE NEXT ROOM.
IF THE ARROW HITS THE WUMPUS, YOU WIN.
IF THE ARROW HITS YOU, YOU LOSE.
TYPE AN E THEN RETURN
WARNINGS:
WHEN YOU ARE ONE ROOM AWAY FROM A WUMPUS OR HAZARD,
THE COMPUTER SAYS:
WUMPUS: 'I SMELL A WUMPUS'
BAT : 'BATS NEARBY'
PIT : 'I FEEL A DRAFT'
HUNT THE WUMPUS
BATS NEARBY!
I SMELL A WUMPUS
YOU ARE IN ROOM 14
TUNNELS LEAD TO 4 13 15
SHOOT OR MOVE (S-M)
Hagrin.com
According to the Google Talk developer page, Google is only planning pre-arranged peering with a set of providers. Their goal, it appears, is to reduce spam and other abuses by ensuring that all clients are connecting through trusted services.
While I see their point, it does seem like a bit of a cop out. "Service choice" doesn't really mean much unless I can choose to use my own service and still inter-operate. A truly open system should allow anyone to play, not just the big boys.
It just looked like YAIM to me until I read this:
You should also be able to use Google Talk at your company, since voice calls should work across any firewall or NAT.
If this is true, then it blows MSN Messenger, AIM, Yahoo Chat, iChat etc. out of the water.
Getting these kinds of applications to work is getting harder and harder due to all the broadband routers out there your NAT-lock you in - and making it pretty damn hard for Joe Sixpack to configure it to properly route incoming UDP and TCP connections.
For me, being on a campus network not allowing incoming UDP nor remotely-initiated TCP connections it's been impossible to you use any kind of voice functionality in IM clients (with the exception of Skype).
Has anyone tested this? Is Google Talk using a P2P approach similar to Skype to make this work?
Google needs to see your conversation in order to target an advert at you.
What would they try to sell you if all they saw was an encrypted stream?
For those that are stuck behind a firewall, I wrote up a detailed, step-by-step guide on using Google Talk over SSH. This includes instructions for Windows, Linux, and Mac OSX, and focuses on the official Google Talk client, iChat, and Gaim.
You can find the guide at Google Talk over SSH.
Enjoy!