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Chinese Websites Used As Launchpads For Cracking
An anonymous reader writes "A Washington Post article reports that Chinese networks are being used to breach hundreds of unclassified U.S. government systems. The article goes on to say that some analysts believe the activity to be tied to the Chinese government, although there is also some dissent." From the article: "Whether the attacks constitute a coordinated Chinese government campaign to penetrate U.S. networks and spy on government databanks has divided U.S. analysts. Some in the Pentagon are said to be convinced of official Chinese involvement; others see the electronic probing as the work of other hackers simply using Chinese networks to disguise the origins of the attacks."
FTA: "It's not just the Defense Department but a wide variety of networks that have been hit," including the departments of State, Energy and Homeland Security as well as defense contractors, the official said. "This is an ongoing, organized attempt to siphon off information from our unclassified systems."
This seems like the work of terrorists to me. They gather unclassified intel from multiple sources and then they can prove/disprove rumours (leaks?) of a secret nature. This puts a strain on the agencies to ensure that solid intel can not be assembled from less potent information, and yet many citizens complain about the slow pace in which free information flows out of the government. Look at what they are up against, today. (I know I'm going to get hammered on that statement) I think we're seeing that delicate balance between freedom of information and security will be tipping in the near future as a direct result of these attacks. It's never been very balanced anyway. I might be a touch left-wing, an idealist -- but to me there needs also to be a careful approach to protecting the homeland, whether it's in Canada, the US or abroad. I have a sneaky feeling that someone we know had something to do with this, and it's likely not the Chinese government -- I think it was the FSM, or possibly a smaller cell -- the Army of the 12 Monkeys!
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By the same logic the Chinese Government is trying to overthrow western democracy using methods indistinguishable from incoherent spam emails about cheap viagra.
Athletic Scholarships to universities make as much sense as academic scholarships to sports teams.
How can you use a "web site" to attack someone? Wouldn't it be just a box sitting somewhere attached to a Chinese network?
Other than the fact that the attacks are coming from machines attached to a Chinese network and the reports that the PLA has been concentrating a little more on network warfare, what evidence are they basing their claims on that the attacks are coming from the Chinese government?
What's the problem exactly? It's not like this is an act of espionnage.
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In soviet China, website hacks you. /flinches for rotten fruit attack
Hmm, let me see, shall I attack the US govt. by using machines from a virtual black hole or not ?
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
I don't see why the government doesn't just create it's own private network for data communication. And maybe if they were feeling really generous they could let some of the more prestigious universities out there onto it also...
I'll turn into a supernova and burn up everything. Well I'll turn into a black little hole and you'll turn into string.
I used to work in physical security (a clerical job I had in high school), and it was always fun to talk to the old-timers and hear their stories.
My favorite was about how the KGB operatives in DC in the late 50s stayed in good graces wtih their Moscow overloads with a minumum of effort:
They were supposed to keep tabs on the ongoings of the US political system by establishing inside contacts, and reporting back. So, they just summarized the political news from each day's New York Times, and kept their jobs for years.
The Americans pulled an good one on them: To spy at the Russian consolate in New York, the CIA recruited Xerox to install a minature camera in the consolate's copy equipment. When he came to do "regular maitenance" each month, he'd also replace the full tapes with new ones.
Sorry for no linkies, my source for these is an 80 year old CPP.
I wonder how many of these attacks are really coming from America. Standard practice is to spoof somewhere that seems to be not worth their time to look into if anyone catches you - eastern europe used to be a favourite, with its famously corrupt and incompetent police forces and the sheer physical distance acting to dissuade US companies or government agencies from bothering to try and bring anyone apparently from there to justice. With the additional hostile political environment and famed elite hackers, China would make a very attractive place to spoof an attack as being from.
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Talk about weak:
"Some in the Pentagon are said to be convinced of official Chinese involvement..."
So, other people have said that some people in the Pentagon are convinced. We don't even know who is doing the "saying."
Sounds like weak speculation to me.
Then you have nothing to fear from the Chinese knowing all the information the US government has collected on you.
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OK, further investigations revealed that the whole issue was seriously inflated. It was just about chinese user's (pirated) Windows XP computers being infected by worms and turned into zombies sending gazillions of blaster/sasser/zotob/whatever to .mil computers. OK nothing to worry about.
Next story : old korean grand-mothers hacking Pentagon's SMTP servers.
"others see the electronic probing as the work of other hackers simply using Chinese networks to disguise the origins of the attacks.".
Clever, but i think it is the Chinese making us believe that the hackerz are American that use Chinese networks in order for us to believe that that Chinese are behind this crap.
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Although there certainly are penetration methods that use web sites, I would guess that many other application layer IP services are being used for these attacks. The media's use of the term web site to mean any IP device is deceiving.
------ Take away the right to say fuck and you take away the right to say fuck the government.
Next time I'll make sure to include a huge "THIS IS SARCASM" disclaimer. Although that would tend to kill the joke...
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This is the same govt. that employs a police force tasked with ensuring that chinese citizens don't visit or use the internet for nefarious reasons.
.02 and you overpaid :P
Obviously it has something to do with the govt. sanctioning these attacks and intrusions! Otherwise the chinese govt. would be arresting individuals constantly for exploiting US governmental resources
Just my
Perhaps you don't remember a few years ago when the Chinese government used tanks to murder hundreds of unarmed students. It's not like they're change since then.
That's exactly what the American hackers posing as Chinese spies posing as American hackers posing as Chinese spies WANT you to think!
The laws of probability forbid it!
How many years are these people behind? I thought it was common knowledge. I like to acl all of china and korea just for good measure.
Under the heading "unclassified documents":
"For Official Use Only" - things which don't contain classified data, but contain information that should be kept within the government. Someone made a decision to mark this document as FOUO.
"Sensitive" - a more generic type of document which contains information which is probably not suitable for public release, but is not determined as such. This may be marked FOUO at some future point.
The big problem with the standard information classification guidelines is what you need to do if you classify the document. First, people can't attach them to the normal email system, or in fact even have it on an unclassified computer system. Second, if you print it out you have to print it on a classified-only printer, lock it in a safe and sign for it, sealing the room from those who have no clearance before taking a look. Google AR 25-2 and read the pdf (public distribution) for more specific information on how such documents are handled.
This provides a lot of impetus to keep data that is not truly secret from being classified as such. So many documents are FOUO or considered "sensitive". It doesn't mean the data in the hands of an enemy couldn't be damaging, particularly in the aggregate.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
I can no longer sit back and allow Chinese infiltration, Chinese indoctrination, Chinese subversion, and the international Chinese conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious computers.
I'm not afraid of the possible Windows or Office source code out there floating around - I'm worried about that "Great Firewall" thing I hear people going on so much about.
Doesn't that mean that I can't get back at the bastards?
Seems like someone isn't playing fair...
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China _does_ have oil.
Well, there now, sounds to me like they may be harboring terrorists and weapons of mass destruction.
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I would suspect that the Chinese Govt. is doing what just about any government would do. Monitoring what's happening, but keeping out of it just enough for plausable deniability.
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The Chinese government is a mafia. Which controls its population through propaganda, purges, public executions, defamation, and other terrorism. Terrorism isn't the planebomb that blows up the building. It's the planebomb that blows up the building on TV, controlling literally millions of times as many people as it killed. That's the "asymmetric" threat, that weaker/poorer adversaries like the Qaeda, China or McVeigh can use to beat the US government and the American people. There's no line between "terrorists" and a country's military, as Kadafi, Gerry Adams, Saddam or Arafat would tell you.
The decentralized Internet can be threatened only by decentralized attacks: DDoS, for example. Russian Communism was no match for decentralized American Capitalism, focused in centralized American Federalism. But Chinese Communism, grafted into their state capitalism, is much more decentralized. With a huge domestic population, connected to a distributed, sophisticated "overseas Chinese" population, they have a much larger "surface to volume" ratio than we do for challenging the US. Combined with their insider clout, controlling so much American manufacturing while owning so much Treasury debt (and providing its best market), they already have the US over a barrel.
It was a terrible mistake to put George Bush in charge of defending us from enemies like China. Not only can't he think for himself, but his (literal) legacy is the market that his father opened as Nixon's first ambassador to China. Judging merely the results of that policy through the decades since, I'd say that the deal was cut 35 years ago. Carving off a huge chunk of American security to China, with the Bush dynasty taking its fat cut. Fortunately for us, America is so open, decentralized, aggressive and regenerative that we start out with a huge advantage. But if we keep letting these Bush people run the show, we'll start looking a lot like England did through the 20th Century, as their former hick colony obliterated them on the world stage. The difference is that China is no American colony, they don't speak the English that could combine our societies for truly mutual benefit, and the world is a lot smaller today - while China is a lot bigger.
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If the Chinese Government wanted to break into the websites of foreign powers, they probably would have broken into them all by now. Think about it, China has a population of roughly 1,306,313,812 (July 2005) and a purchasing power of $7.262 trillion. Chances are that someone in China will be able to break into a Government website, and with that kind of purchasing power they could probably get a PC or 2. However, if China really wanted to do some damage they could always get everyone in the population to refresh a page a few. Although this may be slightly unpractical, it would certainly be noticed.
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I'd hate to see what a sophisticated enemy could do to this country if it wanted to. The lame security on the US gov servers is lamantable. We hear the same old story over and over again and no one learns. The Germans during WWII had better security -- it actually took brains to crack the Enigma codes. Nowadays, any old script kiddle can bring down a US Goverment server!
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Maybe you have a weak memory, or your tons of useless eye candy channels from your cable TV let you far away from reality, because you are talking about an old fact, an internal revolution. What are USA's gov doing n-o-w in Irak and Afghanistan? By the way, don't talk me about terrorism, Mideast was a region without any reasson to atack (11-S) USA until Bush (the father) invades Irak. After that, the shit smells worst day by day.
Oh, american people, keep George Bush far from red nuclear button, please!!
Nowhere does TFA describe the attacks themselves. I guess we are to assume they are malicious Attacks to gain control of DOD computers. I try to never assume anything based on vague DOD statements. So I'm going with hits on the serveer Logs. Seems like a cute way to get approval for Classifying these UNClassified Systems. This administration has been overly secretive in a whole slew of areas, add one more to the list.
I give it a week, then quietly changes will be made and this info will dissappear off the web, innaccessible to all but the DOD.
Wouldn't it be interesting to know how many "Attacks" the chinese government receives from the US.
The number of attempted intrusions from all sources identified by the Pentagon last year totaled about 79,000, defense officials said, up from about 54,000 in 2003. Of those, hackers succeeded in gaining access to a Defense Department computer in about 1,300 cases. The vast majority of these instances involved what VanPutte called "low risk" computers.
Gained access, Shit man, Raise Terror Threat Level to chartruse.
This is an ongoing, organized attempt to siphon off information from our unclassified systems."
No kidding, People are using computers to gather publicly available information. Oh.. My.. God.. Raise to level Periwinkle.....Get Dick to an undisclosed location. Get Condi on the horn.
Either you are with us or your with the Chinese Websites.
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That explains the terrorist activity in the Phillipines and Thailand. Bush the elder's attack on Iraq.
Except for ending slavery, the Nazis, communism, & securing American independence, war has never solved anything.
That's what governments do; even friendly ones. We're just arguing about whether we have caught them in the act.
I expect they're being more sophisticated. How about sniffing everything that goes over the internet. I bet they're doing that.
I remember describing something as having more antennas than a Russian fishing trawler. Those trawlers were of course not fishing for fish.
How do you "breach" unclassified material? It's wide open.
Did Matthew Broderick teach us nothing?
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I don't know what the big deal is. This just means computer systems in China is just as insecure as computer systems in the US. If crackers want, they can also use US computers system to attack Chinese ones, only they don't beacuse for some unknown reasons (ahem, ahem) 'terrorists' love to target US. I wonder why.
why aren't the DoD, DHC, and other security-sensitive agencies firewalling all of China in the first place?
--- Asking inconvenient questions for over 30 years...
While I don't buy into the very thin link to this being the work of the Chinese govt. there are a few examples of prior de'art I think worth mentioning:
"The more you read and learn, the less your adversary will know."
"A military operation involves deception. Even though you are competent, appear to be incompetent. Though effective, appear to be ineffective."
"O divine art of subtlety and secrecy! Through you we learn to be invisible, through you inaudible and hence we can hold the enemy's fate in our hands."
"Secret operations are essential in war; upon them the army relies to make its every move."
"The ultimate in disposing one's troops is to be without ascertainable shape. Then the most penetrating spies cannot pry in nor can the wise lay plans against you."
"If your opponent is of choleric temperment, seek to irritate him."
Make no mistake...the rules of war by Sun Tzu are as well posted in the halls of the DoD as they are in the far East.
We are doing the same to them. Make no mistake about it. Our government is busy trying to crack every Chinese gov. computers that it can, or is simply using the built-in backdoors on the windows systems.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Those hacking jobs rightfully belong to Americans!
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Did anyone read the second page?
...It said the People's Liberation Army (PLA) sees computer network...The PLA has likely established information warfare units to develop viruses to attack enemy computer systems.
RBCP does it again!
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With all the American telecom and networking firms outsourcing development to China, there's no need for the Chinese government to probe US government and commercial sites from outside the enterprise firewall.
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I am going to get hammered for this one. Here is the problem as I see it. 1. Chinese IP addresses are known for massive hacking attempts and brekins. 2. Excessive amounts of spam come for Chinese IP addressses, quite possible the largest percentage. 3. The Chinese government censors the Internet for it's public, not permitting a very large percentage of U.S. sites access. For these three reasons alone, the U.S. government needs to pass a law, that until the Chinese get thier act together - ALL IP ADDRESSES ASSIGNED TO THE CHINESE BE BLOCKED. The only acception for this is email addresses be allowed only to companies that formally request access. This is harsh but necessary. I see the Chinese as a threat to the freedom that is the Internet.
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This is today's version of the Top Gun film. There is a silent war happening between two superpowers and the heroes of that war are neither remembered or mourned. I'd say the American team of computer experts fighting virtual dogfights with Chinese hackers are just as brave and committed as those fine pilots like Maverick, Iceman or Joker. And let us hope there is no Goose - that these brave experts do not pay for the work they do on our behalf with their lives.
I wonder if the American computer experts do an electronic 'flyby' of their bosses computer systems. I bet they do, and so they should, for our country is a country undeniably committed to freedom and no concentration of force in real or virtual worlds will change that. Let the Chinese do their worse - they will soon learn that superior American training and technology and goddam GUTS, like in Top Gun, will prevail.
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The moderation did not match my intent either :)
Then whose going to make the stuff you buy at walmart and whose gonna hold the paper on your mortgage???
1.) Unsubstantiated
...with more Chinese users on the net than Americans, making Chinese the most widely used language on the net, you may want to rethink that little claim :)
2.) Studies I've seen in the last year show equal amounts from the mainland and north america.
3.) this one is just plain funny - the percentage is in the single digit range...get a clue.
'our' internet?
I would not be surprised if this turns out to be a project of some Chinese intelligence agency. Worldwide espionage seems a "normal" activity for any large government. The USA do this at an even larger scale with a worldwide net of listening stations, the so-called Echelon net:
http://fly.hiwaay.net/~pspoole/echelon.html
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That's just some worm some kid released, right?
Sounds kinda convenient that there aren't script kiddies in China who are bored enough to probe around US government computers. Heck US kiddies does it, why not Chinese kiddies?
"ALL IP ADDRESSES ASSIGNED TO THE CHINESE BE BLOCKED.....I see the Chinese as a threat to the freedom that is the Internet."
Do you see the paradox you created?
The number of attempted intrusions from all sources identified by the Pentagon last year totaled about 79,000, defense officials said, up from about 54,000 in 2003. Of those, hackers succeeded in gaining access to a Defense Department computer in about 1,300 cases. The vast majority of these instances involved what VanPutte called "low risk" computers.
I don't care if it's Low Risk; a 1.6% success rate is unacceptably high for Department of Defense computers.
In a similar vein, if I knew that 1.6% of all women in the world would sleep with me, I'd be a much happier camper.
"Diplomacy is something you do until you find a rock." --Richard Pound
I'm sure its them, and just using chinese systems to throw everyone off and redirect blame to the chinese government instead.
Easy solution would be to ban any ip address that originates in any undesireable country.
( before you freak on and mod me into the ground...yes I'm kidding about that)
---- Booth was a patriot ----
"Whether the attacks constitute a coordinated Chinese government campaign to penetrate U.S. networks and spy on government databanks has divided U.S. analysts. Some in the Pentagon are said to be convinced of official Chinese involvement; others see the electronic probing as the work of other hackers simply using Chinese networks to disguise the origins of the attacks."
I would say... a little bit of column A and a little bit of column B
I just lit back up a site that had been registered, but off-line for about 2 years. I decided to just watch and baseline things before doing anything with the site. The site had zero content and no robots file.
Beyond the ususal search engines trying to index the site (actually only a handfull of indexers), the *ONLY* other traffic the site received was shitloads of probes and out-right attemptes to exploit primarily from Chinese address space.
Most of the attempts has been pretty script-kiddish; it would appear that they're looking for large numbers (a bot army).
So....
Since I really don't give a flying crap about my Chinese audience (or being a part of their bot army):
http://www.okean.com/sinokoreacidr.txt
Korea got thrown in to boot because:
1) Korea (north and south) is nothing more than Mid-Southern China
2) high percentage of always on DSL
3) some of the more technical attacks were comming out of Korea
So...
Not enough can be said about having pf in front of apache, not to mention a having a transparent reverse proxy.
from -1 flamebait to +3 funny... this thread has it all...
The analyists make it sound like one or the other but nothing precludes it being both simultaneously. Personally, I doubt it's the PRC gov't because if I were them I'd be saving my hacks for a more important moment.
if anyone spys on another person, it mean jail time for them. Spying on people is invasion of pivacy. IF the chinese do this to, why not do this to them too and find out what they're plans are. It's like a pay back time or something.
China _does_ have oil. Let's wait what CNN decides...
Dude, your funny joke was too insightful to be modded anything else than flamebait at this time of the day and in our hemisphere.
Here is a list of the IPs of systems that have been attempting to access my computers with invalid account information. I am running a firewall with a script that looks at my logs and adds a firewall rule to block the offender.
59.120.31.216
61.100.12.63
61.106.124.59
61.155.9.171
61.183.248.130
61.185.220.46
65.182.181.70
66.207.100.4
66.27.133.45
67.153.120.12
82.100.0.62
86.127.6.100
140.112.67.57
163.17.10.127
199.77.128.210
200.46.226.55
201.17.147.42
201.225.227.138
202.164.181.82
202.64.177.6
202.82.17.17
208.187.165.249
208.49.141.47
209.217.122.119
210.0.176.37
210.104.198.214
210.150.102.158
210.202.245.67
211.192.25.167
211.21.62.108
211.227.249.117
211.99.43.214
218.27.88.170
218.58.76.237
218.75.120.146
220.130.196.23
220.194.55.126
"Mr. President, I need to talk to you about the nuclear weapons program in--"
"AAAUGH!! NUKES! WMDs! WMDs!! AL-QAEDA!!!" *hides under desk*
This is just your average everyday paranoid American propaganda. OH NO...everybody is out to get me!!! The Terrorists are coming!!! Run Away Run Away!! *sigh* Sure, it's likely that the Chinese are spying on the US..so what. What do you think the US government is doing to the Chinese??!? Christ, the damn US government spies on it's own citizens more than anyone else on Earth. You guys really need to pull your heads out of your collective asses and look at the big picture. Also, if the US government is so worried about being hacked...maybe they SHOULDN'T HAVE THEIR SECURE PCS PLUGGED INTO THE DAMN INTERNET!!!!
Translation: Of course the Chinese government is behind all this.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
This shouldn't suprise any one, after all if you are a potintial enemy of the US and you have a tech savy society then one of the best stratigies in being prepared for any futur engament would be to probe that countries computers. If you can find a way to disrupt communication system then you very well may gain an advantage. I'm sure the US has hacked every computer system they can find, just in case. What the US needs to take away from this is a need for improved security even on thier low priority, unclassified systems. And by the way they did say UNCLASSIFIED not PUBLIC DOMAIN thier is a diffrence.
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My firewall for my home PC gets hammered quite a few times a day with portscans/exploit attempts from Chinese-ish IPs.
I set up a passworded share to see what would happen, and damn if there weren't systems trying to bruteforce the password on it.
Job? I don't have time to get a job! Who will sit around and bitch about being broke and unemployed then?
Although I wouldn't put this in the same category as government network hacking, I've had similar problems. I run a message board that focuses on military matters with a bias towards the US side of things. As the popularity has grown, so have the hacking attempts. Luckily they've all been unsuccessful because I'm on top of software updates, but the amount of times that I've had to block these idiots where they try to download my entire site with leech clients, flood the forum search engine with countless requests per second, initiate thousands of connections to the web server but timeout causing the number of apache processes to skyrocket, and do other things to try and bring it down is getting too many to count. The one thing that unites all of this? 98% of these shenanigans are coming from Chinese subnets. Only a few have been from elsewhere, namely France and Germany. What's crazy about it, is that the ip's that they're using from China are all over the continent. We're talking well over 100 subnets. Late last year I finally started blocking all of the Chinese subnets and voila! All problems with the site have gone away. It's rather unfortunate as I had a lot of Chinese visitors that I had to shut out.
How does the release of sensative information,per se, indicate that the administration doing so is fascist. Where's this fascism from?
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When I worked for state government 90% of the thwarted attacks came from Chinese ISP's.
The ChiCom party either knows about this and condones it or is actively sponsoring it.
Therefore it is in our best interests to cut China from the net. But this plays right into the hands of the ChiCom party.
After all, a disconnected China is pretty much free of pesky dissent sites.
It would be interesting to see if the Pentagon and other government agencies could somehow use situations like this to their advantage. TFA stated that unclassified systems were probed. While there wouldn't be any secret information that could be obtained from them, it's possible to get useful data from seemingly useless stuff. An example would be something like common billing information. Someone could come across invoices for a hundred vending machines and catering contracts. That in itself would be useless, but if it was also found out that they were meant for division X in a laser weapons research center, one could probably guess that operations would be expanded there.
A little creative disinformation could be useful (and possibly entertaining). If division X were having their Christmas party and had a hypnotist performing, that could be written on the division budget as a "hypnosis/psychological expert", and if anyone fell for the quit-smoking seminar some of those guys have, someone who was bored could type up a joke report detailing success/failure rates of test subjects being subliminally programmed at said laser research division.
It's a silly example, but something more elaborate could have an effect of diverting and wasting resources from foriegn intelligence agencies and having little busybody spies end up looking foolish.
If someone breaks into someone's house and raids their fridge, noone is going to feel sorry for them if they get food poisoning.
It's time to "liberate" the chinese citizen it seems...
YEAH, cos like EVERY terrorist on the planet is a part of the SAME GLOBAL NETWORK!! OMG, GWB save me!!
So, what's the IRA and McVey's excuse? Terrorism comes from all backgrounds. The anti-US terrorism is 100% the product of your foreign policies. Whether those policies were just is another debate, however there is a clear cause and effect. They don't hate freedom, they just hate you. Until the UK got involved in Iraq, we have NEVER had a suicide bomber. There was not a single case of Islamic terrorism. Now we have suicide bombs on the transport network and armed police everywhere. But it's because they hate freedom right? Must be terrible in Denmark, Holland, Canada, France, Austrialia etc, they also have freedom. Oh wait, they don't have Islamic terrorism...hang on, our leaders are lying to us, arghhh!!
NO! You don't say! Cracking and Hacking coming from China? I don't believe it! Maybe Spam and Phishing, but Cracking! Thats unpossible!
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I mean- all manufacturing has gone to China and other quasi-third world countries. Its debatable whether a pure service industry in the US can be forever sustained without massive improvements in education i.e. NEW IDEAS and CREATIVITY. So who in China would really give a damn what your address or DL number is? Or cracking into Dominos Pizza to see what people order? The credit agencies already send out data to just about anyone. Get real, China doesn't care about us in that way. Its somebody else.
It seems obvious that the gp post describes alternatives not continuation of description of single case in his mention of fascism: a government with classified information but that is open about unclassified information, and a government that is uniformly closed. It seemed that second alternative was what was implied to be fascist. Read it again with this interpretation and you will likely be able to make an even more detailed analysis without being caught on that small point of misinterpretation that you are now.
OK, one's an acronym. So sue me.
Note to moderators: please don't mod me down until you've checked a couple of those stories.
Lets keep investing in China! It's a great move!
The CHINESE have Hackers!!!!!
Just look how many Chinese sites are on the block list. http://isc.sans.org/top10.php
We like slave labor. It's America man, dont you remember when we exploited the blacks and the chinese here on our own lands?
Actually I read that the CIA used the Xerox trick in more places, and that it was their most successful spying technique ever.
Maybe if you'd eaten more fish and chips instead of paint chips as a child you'd not be so retarded as you are now.
Tell that to Theo Van Gough.
And you missed my point. American foreign policy is not the reason for Islamic terrorism. Their ideology that drives them to attack the Phillipines and America and London is. That is the common denominator.
Except for ending slavery, the Nazis, communism, & securing American independence, war has never solved anything.
North Koreans hacking into Chinese infrastructure (mostly without them knowning) and then using it as a steppingstone to further malicious activities.
We should be asking ourselves why governments need "secret" information in the first place. If we the people own our government, and Chinese people like us are curious and do not trust our government any more than we do, is it terrorism or is it just hacking?
Hackers have been hacking the government since the internet was first invented. Now because the chinese are doing it suddenly its supposed to be terrorism?
I'm sick of every crime being redefined as terrorism when it is commited by any minority group, as if the majority group never commited acts of cyber terrorism before.
Face it, the more people you allow online, the more people you allow to intergrate into society, the more hackers you end up with. Hacking isnt always bad for the people, its bad for the government yes, but the government is not always doing what is in our best interest. So while I will not go as far to endorse hacking the government, I wouldnt call it terrorism either.
I'd consider it terrorism if hackers from China were hacking me, and this is the difference. When they do it to us then its terrorism, when they do it to the government then its business as usual. The government already knows everyone wants to hack them, its the government!
because the attacks are coming from China and because we have a complete lack of imagination, it must be the Chinese Government spying on the US!
I'll try to shake it up, for what it's worth...
- The attacks come from China because their networks are the most vulnerable.
- The Chinese government would do something about it if the complainers were prepared to put their money where their mouth is
- People from the chinese government are involved because they like to make a bit of money on the side.
- The Chinese government thinks the bad networks are infiltrated by western hackers trying to access western targets.
- The Chinese government thinks that as long as they don't suffer much, the networks are not a priority.
- The Chinese government thinks if the western governments aren't acting against their hackers, why should the Chinese government
- The Chinese government may need a very good reason to act against these networks because many people are making money from it. And they don't have that reason yet.
- The Chinese government thinks the many bad networks provide good cover for an occasional hacking attempt that they might consider.
- The Chinese government supports strongly the bad networks because it is an interesting way to make money.
- the Chinese government would like to intercept and suppress the bad networks but they want to use their own hardware and software, and it's not good enough yet.
- the American government prefers the weak chinese networks, because it gives them the possibility and the cover to operate inside China.
- the Chinese government is trying hard to suppress the networks, and haven't succeeded yet.
- The American government works to strengthen the bad networks
next try, sometime.
While you are technically correct, the IE lusers do not realize that they are "requesting" extra files (i.e. downloading virii and automatically running them as trusted executables via ActiveX) until they have already visited the site. By then, it's all too late. They're 0wn'd.
Why would Al Qaeda hide behind China? Al Qaeda might have cells in China. There are Chinese muslims.
I do not understand why people seem to think that a super power is the least likely to be hacking America when the most likely group involved is always going to be the group with the most to gain from it. America is super power, China is intending on becoming the next superpower, it makes all the sense in the world to not only buy the American government but to spy on what you have purchased. No one wants to purchased something and not know what they are purchasing.
China knows America will sell out itself. America is loyal to money, so all China has to do is buy our politicians and buy our government. Where do you think all this money comes from to run for office? It's coming from China. Who do you think keeps our economy afloat?
Al Qaeda might want to know what our government is doing, but so do we. Terrorists are going to be attacking our government essentially forever, because our government has been attacking them forever. Aggrression + aggression = aggression. It's simple math. I'm not saying world peace is easy, I'm just saying that whatever our government is doing to protect corporations from terrorism, it has nothing to do with us ordinary citizens, and its not to make us safer, its to protect economic interests of a few monopoly industries the USA wants to protect. What is the problem with this? The problem is, even if you use the government to provide corporate welfare and to defend powerful corporations, it does not prevent China from just saving its money and buying them up, or from buying all the land, or from buying cities, states, and eventually our currency itself. We are losing the economic shadow war. The physical war is just shock and awe, the real war is the war of economics and as citizens we are all losing. China is winning in a landslide, and the only industry we will have left will be the patent industries which China is completely ignoring. Honestly unless the world accepts our patents what exactly will we compete with? Al Qaeda already has us by the balls, because they have most of the worlds oil. We bombed Iraq to get more oil, but we have already approached peak oil which means oil is running out in the world and soon we will be going to war over something else. We can't go to war with China because China influences our economy. Peace is maintained when people intergrate economics.
I suppose the concept of military intelligence should be redefined as an oxymoron. Those who think otherwise should be assembled for the purchace of mountain land in florida and I have a fine bridge for them to buy in Brooklyn.
I once heard of a government lab where the Chinese, Russians and Indians tried every night to crack the lab security. So every night the lab simply disconnected the ethernet cable connecting them to the base network and thworted the attackes most successfully. You see the govenment bureaucrats in Russia, China and India went to work every day and tried to crack. Naturally being on the other side of the world the American lab wasn't open during their work day. Of course this security measure was not part of the US Base security plan. It was applied by some caring Americans. Of course this story couldn't be true could it?Of course it couldn't also be true that every computer on that American Base was to have the same top domain password so that the boss could look into all the computers for preserving base security. And it couldn't be true that such wide open security was required as a matter of policy. The same base couldn't have prohibited Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird while forcing the use of IE for "Security".
This of course is all delusional fiction well, maybe?
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Your statements are ridiculous. The US terrorist groups such as the KKK killed millions. Then we have the mafia and gangs which also killed millions.
Why are you attacking China? I know you hate the Chinese but if you are going to be a racist, don't embarrass the country by making ridiculous statements.
Yes China has terrorism, the USA has terrorism, every country has terrorism. Yes China isnt where the US currently is on every issue, but the US isnt where the rest of the world is on certain issues. So what?
Thirty million people killed in China? the USA killed over 50 million blacks, killed millions of native americans, and certain terrorist groups like the Nazi's are more dangerous than Al Qaeda, have killed more people than Al Qaeda (if you remember the holocaust). China has its problems, they had their holocaust. I'm sure China has learned from it.
However when Americans go around talking about terrorism and crime when we have more prisoners than any country on the planet and more violent crime than anywhere else on earth, it makes us look bad, so please use something else to attack China.
Look at the actions of Bush and the actions of Clinton, look at the laws which passed. Neither of them are perfect, but under which president was your salary higher? This is how you decide on who to vote for next. If you have a higher salary, then vote for Republicans, if you were doing better under Clinton, then vote for the Democrats. Each party has its industries and special interest groups to protect and unless you work for big oil or some protected Bush industry, then its pointless to vote for him.
You want to know who to vote for? Learn about the backround of the politicians, learn which companies they work for and sit on the board of, and if you work for the same company then vote for them.
NOT! do you know why most comoputer attacks and email spams are from China? No, it has little to do with chinese government. That's because over 90% of the computers in china run pirated software, they are not updated often or can't be updated. Also internation traffic usually costs more than domestic traffic plus, it takes forever because of small bandwith, so people patch their software when it's available on pirated CD on the street. The little known secret is chinese PCs are perfect zombies, because they are easy to crack. Majority web admins know little english, are paid peanuts by their employers. Most don't have the ability to track the latest threats and apply updates, and worse, most employers and web admins are very ignorant about computer security and frankly, security just isn't that a big priority. Personal computers are mostly used for gaming and emailing and browsing news and forums etc, people just don't care that much if they are hacked and turned into a zombie. Annoyed maybe, but not a big deal. People often forget, China is still a 3rd world contry, most banks and grocery stores don't use computers. If the computers were gone today, the world wouldn't come to a halt in china. People still keep their important information on paper, not in computer. y
Which basicly sums up the problem of a 'from the people, by the people, for the people' democracy.
In some cases, a democratic society is a good idea (it forced a reluctant U.S. government to pull out of Vietnam, no comment on the after-effects, and it helped create a technology boom during and after WWII). In other cases it (arguably) indirectly caused the prolonged suffering in numerous wars (the late entry into WWI which was viewed as a 'European war' and the failure to properly respond to Japan's invasion of Manchuria).
Chinese networks are being used to breach hundreds of unclassified U.S. government systems.
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That was murder, not terrorism. Where I'm from, Prodestants kill Catholics and vice-versa almost every time there is an old-firm soccer match. Literally, mostly stabbings. Woopie do, racist/religious violence has been around since the dawn of time and will be present in almost every multi-cultural country. It's not the work of terror cells however, just a nutter with a gun/knife. Some of the most famous people in history have had their lifes ended that way. Was John Lennon the subject of a terrorist attack by your definition?
Their ideology that drives them to attack the Phillipines and America and London is. That is the common denominator.
No. They have political views and they use the ideology to make others tag along. Much like the KKK, the anti-abortion bombers and any other Christian wackos. Even Bush plainly plays on the Christian support, he references "God" in almost every speach. The jihaders really don't like us messing about in their country, that's all there is to it. They don't like democracy, however largly they don't want to enforce their way on others. Sure, there are guys with hooks for hands babbling on about a world of islam, but how's that any different from the recent comments on US TV suggesting that certain South American presidents should be assasinated? Seeing the extreme Christian view on western TV is a rarity, however much time is given to the nutjobs in the Islamic world.
The UK was never the target of Islamic terrorism prior to getting involved in Iraq. That is a undebatable fact. The US is due to your support of Israel, the Saudi Royal Family (and dictators), the US troops in Saudi backing up that investment, and now the "jihad" in Iraq (as they see it). Teh bad guys have clearly stated their beefs, but clearly it's not in our leaders benefit to respond to them. Instead they say things like "they hate freedom" as they know we will stand sholder to sholder to defend it. Perhaps one day we'll get a news service that calls the bullshit for what it is.
This whole article puzzles the hell out of me. It sounds as though no one in our government has ever heard of firewalling. Is it really the case that there are thousands of government computers directly visible over the Internet? How could anyone managing computers for the government think that's a good idea?
And, even if they're incapable of protecting individual machines, how hard would it be to block inbound access from IP blocks belonging to China (or anyone else for that matter)? Can't they just erect a couple of firewalls between, say, the IP block assigned to the State Department and blocks of foreign IPs?
Others in this thread have pointed out that they see Chinese intrusion attempts on their firewalls. If random Slashdot readers can keep out the Chinese, why the hell can't the US government?
This seems to be yet another example of heightened tensions between the US and China. Not only has China been beating the US economically, but they have also been gathering military strength. I would predict that before long, relationships will become hostile. Not necessarily military hostilities, but probably economic.
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