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PSP vs. DS Six Months On
Gamasutra has a follow-up to a previous Question of the Week about the PSP and the DS. The question this past week was: "Which handheld do you think is winning the most hearts, and which the biggest marketshare in each territory?" From the article: " My personal view of the PSP hasn't changed at all. It's not what I'm looking for in a portable system. Seriously, who actually wants to watch a movie on a tiny screen? The DS genuinely has more options for innovation when it comes to unique software, but because the general masses are easily influenced by what is cool, I can foresee less developers spending time on creating innovative software on the DS in an effort to cash in on the popularity (and mass marketing) of the PSP. Still, the DS has sold quite a number of units, also, where I currently reside, the PSP has only just launched recently, so it's still hard to say. -Anonymous "
Personally, I took advantage of the PSP vs DS to buy a used Game Boy Advanced SP. Sure, I'm years behind on the handheld, but I'll wait out this current battle, and buy in once it is more affordable and has enough interesting games on one of the systems to really pull my interest.
I do look forward, though, to seeing what a Zelda or Mario game on the DS would be like (and I don't mean a port).
It's no 42" plasma, but compared with a portable TV its huge and beautiful, watching movies on it is easy, and with a big enough memory stick, extremely convenient.
Let's see...
PSP == good games, nice little portable
DS == dual-screen gimmick with few or no games that usefully take advantage of the second screen.
Yeah. Gee, whatever would one choose?
That said, at this point the PSP is starting to come into it's own. It is starting to get some games that are the kind I want (note: I own both). While there have been some nice games (Hot Shots Golf used up a lot of my time), Burnout: Legends just came out. Lots of content, fun to play, looks FANTASTIC. SSX on Tour is looking very interesting to me. GTA: Liberty City Stories will sell a ton and might be great.
While the DS has better pick up and play games and short games. The PSP is a PS2 to go. The kind of games seem to be quite different. While that at first made me less interested in the PSP, I've come to a realization. I don't play my consoles much any more. I just don't have that kind of time that I like to devote to it. But I love the ability to play between classes on campus, when I have nothing to do at work, etc. Even just sitting at home and watching TV while playing. I really LIKE this ability, and I can see myself playing the PSP more and more if they have games I like. Since I can put the PSP on hold at any point, I don't have to worry about if I can pause/save when something is happeneing.
I've played my DS more. I'm starting to like my PSP more. They are both good consoles, and I think they have such different market segments (at least for me) that it's not a problem. The DS has more "GameBoy" games, while the PSP has more "Console" games.
If I had to choose one? The DS. I've played it more so far, found more games I like so far. And while I have no doubt there will be good games for the PSP, I always know I can count on my Nintendo consoles for great (and interesting) games. But it would be a hard choice. If you had asked me 3-4 months ago, the choice would have been MUCH easier.
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DS == dual-screen gimmick with few or no games that usefully take advantage of the second screen
All you need to play is Advanced Wars DS and you will change your mind. It's all I need for entertainment... I've stopped playing computer games. I can still hear the main theme battle song while I type this at work. I want to go home and play it right now.
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But I still don't know which of these, if either, I want. For a while I had the PSP on my Amazon wishlist, now it's a DS--maybe I'll switch back--I kind of want someone else to decide for me. Here's how I see them: The DS has better games (Kirby Canvas Curse, Advance Wars, Meteos), the PSP has the better screen and homebrew possibilities. The DS is cheaper, but the PSP can play movies.
Neither of them has managed to court me sufficiently. Maybe by year end the games will decide it.
blarg.
Christ, you people need to grow up. The man is doing his job, leave him alone. He's supplying information, that's what he's there to do, and he's doing a damn good job, so back off. This subject is offtopic anyway (my own post included, I won't exclude myself from the blame).
- The touch screen
- Download games and programs from peers
The second option has seeded the way for using the DS to interact with the Revolution, because this allows you to use it as part of the game, not just for transfering information.Wonder what the public key field is for?
(not that uninformed is bad - perceptions of people who own neither system are what will ultimately decide which becomes dominant.)
Now, here's what I see as the difference between the DS and the PSP:
1. The PSP costs twice as much.
2. The PSP won't fit in my pocket as easily.
3. The PSP's battery life is so short that it's not really all _that_ portable. For example, it probably won't be able to keep me entertained for the length of a long flight.
4. With the PSP, I'm paying for oodles and oodles of features that I know I will not use.
5. I can play all those Game Boy games that are still on heavy rotation on the DS.
6. The PSP costs twice as much.
DS homebrew is cheap and easy now that the SuperCard flash system for the GBA/DS has had a firmware upgrade allowing it to run DS software from a CF or SD flash card. I use my GBA all the time with a SC system I think I'm upgrading to a DS soon.
Personally I think it's a toss-up between the two. IMHO both have a few games that are interesting but not enough to really warrant a purchase.
I only have a PSP so far but I use it more for homebrew (ScummVM baby!) and movies (great for long flights) than actual gaming.
For me a huge gorgeous screen on the PSP coupled with it's pretty damned powerful processor is more "innovative" than microphone and touchscreen. My Palm has had that for quite a while, I want something new.
In the end I'll likely get a DS as well. But I may actually pick up an extra PSP before that (white, 2.0 so I can play new games without losing out on the homebrew).
I love my PSP, but only for homebrew, emus, etc. God knows why Sony wish to stop people using the PSP for the only thing it's good for.
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i have both machines. Just bought the DS for Nintendogs. Briliant game, my 6 year old loves it. Nintendo builds great games for kids. PSP is excellent for videos. i've ripped kid's videos for long plane trips and car trips. cheaper than putting a DVD in your car, and less bulky than portable DVD players. games are weaker so far. i don't think the machines will necessarly compete for the same demographics, and will settle into their own niche. the PSP may be more of a competition for the iPod though.
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Well, that's a switch.
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This game is 99% PERFECT. All it's missing is online play. I'd pay $43 CAD again just to get online play. Although, the CPU opponent is quite challenging and fun.
Damn, I wish I had friends who had a DS, and the same games as me.
How in the hell does this constitute a summary of PSP vs the DS 6 months in??
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Yes, but I'm not going to pay a portable based on ONE game.
Seriously, I don't care that the Nintendo fanboys modded me "flamebait". The fact of the matter is, the "dual screen" idea is nothing more than a gimmick. I have seen countless DS games and while they may display something on the second screen, they don't actually utilize it in an interesting or useful way. Hell, look at the most popular game out there right now - Nintendogs. What does it use the second screen for? From what I could tell, it just shows a clock and that's about it.
A bigger screen would be more useful than a dual screen - at least in the way that they're creating games for it right now. I think if you're going to get suckered into a DS, you should do it for the touch-sensitive games (which look dumb to me, but at least that's something different for once) rather than because it has two screens. Advanced Wars is the only game I've seen on DS that uses it in the way it should be used. It's like the developers of every other game didn't even KNOW there were going to be two screens.
Alrigth well if you think the second screen hasn't been used well how about Ridge Racer... or better yet meteos... being able to see how you're opponent is doing is a pretty good use if you ask me... or then there is Feel the Magic XX/XY they used the top screen pretty well there too...
Where's that cap to the Decanter of Endless water???
PSP, since the majority of DS games are glorified tech demos
I recently started working in the electronics dept at a local walmart, and the DS is whooping the PSP's proverbial butt.
Every time I go in there are less and less DS's (till we restock). I've only seen one PSP sold and never notice any less in the glass case.
Damn, I wish I had friends who had a DS, and the same games as me.
Actually the only downside to Advanced Wars is the download play doesn't do the full game with other people who have a DS but don't have the game. I was able to play the Combat mini-game with them, but apparently they need the full game to play the regular mode.
I could be mistaken about this since the instructions are very vague with the download play. I could always force them to buy the game. Puyo Pop fever and bomber man are better for the download play games.
I'm still waiting for the day I can hook the DS to a wireless router and hit up anyone on the internet.
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....Then maybe the PSP's UMD movies would appeal to me. I could watch movies as my driver takes me to a fancy specialty store to buy my $400 bottle of wine. But as fate would have it I'm not rich. The only time I have any time for movies is when I am at home and I already own a DVD player. Therefore for myself, and many others, the UMD movies are worthless. Besides that I would need to be a little better off to own a $250 piece of handheld machine in the first place. As an MP3 player it once again misses the mark for me. I already have a radio and cd player in my car. If I am not in my car or in my home I am at work where we are not allowed to have personal music devices. As far as the games are concerned some look fantastic, but they dont warrent an extra $100 more than a DS for features I wont use. I proudly own a DS and although there are only a few solid games at the moment(but many more are on their way) it is exactly what I need - An innovative handheld gaming device and nothing more.
I want to go home and play it right now.
Psst! Hey Bud, rumor has it that the DS is a portable system.
Advance Wars DS certainly has taken the edge off my daily bus ride to the university.
Psst! Hey Bud, rumor has it that the DS is a portable system.
I know. Sadly, the day I bring my DS into work is the day they fire me for not working.
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Yes, but I'm not going to pay a portable based on ONE game.
Tetris
Ouch, DRM make you pay twice? It's said you are willing to accept that.
Better/more numerous games
More innovative
High potential as a gaming system
Won over the hardcore audience
Durable
Acceptably priced
Battery life is excellent
PSP Pro :
Superior hardware
UMD movies
Beautiful screen for a handheld
Buries the DS in marketing
Seen as 'hip'
Future game releases could be a serious tide-turner (if things aren't already in favor of the PSP)
DS Cons :
Still viewed as 'kiddy' (Nintendogs isn't helping this image)
Nothing to match the PSP's music and movie playing abilities (third party add-ons don't count)
Games are largely untraditional (Kirby Canvas Curve takes some serious getting used to)
Poor marketing ('Touching is good'? Wth?)
Still fairly small game library (not including GBA games)
PSP Cons :
Poor construction for a portable device (Scratchy screens, UMD shooting abilities, dead pixels, etc)
Firmware alienates all homebrewed software (early adopters are in the minority with no hope of increasing in number)
Battery life is horribly short for a handheld (Most users report between 3~12 hours usage depending on whats it used for)
Game library pathetically small even compared to the DS (Homebrewed games and emulators don't count)
Although future releases promise PSP domination, they're still future releases and have not been launched
A year or two ago I was one of those players who bashed Nintendo for having kiddy games. However, I was getting bored with most new games coming out for PS2 and XBOX (same game formulas but better graphics). However, I played metroid huntters in the store about a month before the DS release and I was sold. I got the DS for Christmas and thought it was fun with Mario 64 but the game library was lacking. I was almost going to give up on it until this summer when it seemed like every couple of weeks crazy innovative games were coming out for it. Meteos is an excellent puzzle game, nintendogs is just technically impressive, and Kirby Canvas is addicitve as hell. And the fact is that if any of these games were on the PSP or console they would just be average because of one screen and you would have to use a regular controller. I can't explain how fun it is to play Kirby with the stylus pen. Yes, I still want games like GTA and Doom but I can't stress enough how innovative/creative these games for DS are.
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I own a PSP and it is uncomfortable to play games that use the analog stick for more than like 20 minutes, it makes my hand hurt! Also the screen has a refresh rate that is somewhat slow and makes my eyes hurt. My girlfriend agrees, and on a recent long car trip she had to take frequent breaks from playing the thing complaining that it was hurting her eyes. Thats pretty bad. I have actually gone back to playing Gameboy SP, its smaller, more comfortable to hold and easier on my eyes, even with its little screen....its something to do with the way it refreshes or the way it does 3d.
That would be me. I ride the bus every day, and it is quite a nice change of pace to watch one of my dvds (ripped w/ pspvideo9) every now and then. And when my wife and I went to Las Vegas, we watched a couple episodes of 24 season 1 while on the plane. Yes I do play games mostly, but I love it's movie capability as well. And judging from the success of UMD sales in this country, I'm not alone.
I was being generous in my previous post. Other than wrapping everything up in a nice neat package, the PSP doesn't have much going for it since most of its pros have already been outdone.
Nintendo didn't drop the SP's price anytime near the launch of either the DS or PSP...
Then again, someone who played through Advance Wars on the GBA might make a quality opponent and just be too cheap to buy the DS version, so what do I know? :)
You mean it'd make sense to you to have the player use the screen he is playing the game on as his makeshift trackball? I don't know about you but I'd like to see where I'm going while I'm controlling the game.
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the PSP has the better screen and homebrew possibilities.
The supply of PSP units with 1.50 firmware on the used market is dwindling fast as homebrew players snap them all up on eBay, and the 1.51 or later firmware is not cracked to my knowledge. The most common Nintendo DS firmware, on the other hand is fully cracked ("PassMe" and "WiFiMe"), and even the new version in Chinese units and some Japanese units has a preliminary crack for it.
The DS is cheaper, but the PSP can play movies.
The Nintendo DS plus a portable DVD Video player is $250 just like the PSP, and there are a lot more lawfully available feature length movies on DVD Video than on a PSP compatible format. In fact, Disney/Pixar's Toy Story is the only G-rated movie available on UMD Video in North America. Read More...
Games which are the same on both (racing, snowboarding, so on..) will of course look better on the PSP and probably play better with the analoge stick so that's a reason to get that.
Ports of PC RTS games such as the rumored port of Starcraft would play with the controller that is more like a keyboard+mouse, and that's the Nintendo DS touch screen, not some analog stick. Starcraft on PSP would handle like Starcraft 64, that is, it'd feel like Mouse Keys.
The DS on the other hand got that touch screen, but there are a bunch of stupid boring games for that like WarioWare
"Stupid boring"? Have you even tried Kirby Canvas Curse?
And Downloadable homebrew!
Yeah, if you pay extra for a 1.50 on eBay, and then you have to be extremely careful about what games you run, or it might get inadvertently upgraded to 1.51 or later that locks out homebrew. Nintendo DS games on the other hand do not have built-in firmware upgraders, and even the new new red DS in Japan that blocks the first version of PassMe apppears to have a working downgrader available, letting the DS homebrew scene continue.
I don't want to interact with my games by touching them
Would you rather play Starcraft with an analog stick or with something that feels like a mouse?
even with all that you have a whole bunch of oversized cards sticking out of the DS
Once you can run DS homebrew, you can soft-mod your Nintendo DS by using the "FlashMe" firmware hack. That eliminates the need for carrying around the PassMe card.
[On the PSP,] home-brewn stuff works out of the box via memstick when you have the right firmware
Unlike PSP units with the "right" firmware, Nintendo DS units with the "right" firmware are still sold in stores.
Plus its quite a bit faster then DS and allows SNES games at full speed from what I heard.
You seem to underestimate the number of Super NES games that work well in snesDS. The ScummVM port to the DS feels better as well because the touch screen is more like the mouse for which the games were designed than an analog stick is.
Yeah, just one more addition ;)
As you can see we only have crap. Piracy ftw.
+PSP: UMD movies
Which G-rated titles (plural) are there other than Disney/Pixar's Toy Story?
+PSP: Future game releases could be a serious tide-turner (if things aren't already in favor of the PSP)
Same for the DS. The mysterious future will always be the mysterious future until the day the console manufacturer EOLs the system.
-DS: Nothing to match the PSP's music and movie playing abilities (third party add-ons don't count)
Third-party add-ons do count, as long as they're under 120 USD (the price difference between the Nintendo DS and the PSP). Besides, where do you get lawful copies of movies for the PSP other than the pitiful selection of UMD Video titles?
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Yes, but I'm not going to pay a portable based on ONE game.
Neither am I, especially given that there doesn't seem to be anyone in Fort Wayne, Indiana, who's hiring CS grads without a driver license in an entry level position, which is why I decided to make it $290 cheaper for everyone else.
I quote, from the summary:
"My personal view of the PSP hasn't changed at all. It's not what I'm looking for in a portable system. Seriously, who actually wants to watch a movie on a tiny screen? The DS genuinely has more options for innovation when it comes to unique software"
Then it goes on to basically accuse the PSP of being just hype, causing developpers to stop writing innovative stuff (as if writing software for another resolution automatically turns a genius designer into a me-too cloner, or viceversa), and so on.
There's a difference between posting information, and posting such inflamatory crap as above. If it was a regular post, it would get modded troll. See the post which said the DS is just a gimmick, and how fast that got moderated down.
So, no, you get a clue already. Noone's saying there shouldn't be Nintendo-related news, but FFS, keep it news, not lame fanboy trolling. It's called "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." I'm sure some fanboy's foaming at the mouth against Sony is _not_ news, and it's sure as hell _not_ "stuff that matters."
And let's RTFA while we're at it. It's news... how? Exactly what's the information there? It has no sales numbers, no feedback from actual developpers, no market survey, etc. It's just a bunch of letters to the editor, so to speak, no better and no worse than your average Slashdot posts. It's just a bunch of readers posting out of the ass.
So this whole "story" is what? A link to a bunch of fanboy posts (from both camps), and he chooses the most inflamatory anti-PSP troll from an Anonymous Coward post. (Ok, so on Gamasutra it's called just "Anonymous", without the "Coward" past.)
I could see a point if someone from EA or Ubisoft or whatever told me that it's harder to develop for the PSP or whatever, or what keeps them from being innovative on a PSP. Or if it was some actual market survey about how many people want to watch movies on the road. You know, something that actually has _some_ information in it.
But an AC bashing a console, and pulling wild generalizations like "who wants to watch movies on a tiny screen" out of the ass? (I know people who bought PDAs for that, and a lot of companies are selling portable DVD players. So at least _some_ people must want that. Go figure.) Geesh. Exactly since when the heck does an AC troll count as news? Are we going to get links to the most inflamatory AC posts on Slashdot next, or what?
That's the problem. It's not that it's a Nintendo "story", it's not that it's biased, it's that it's just worthless content-free AC trolling. If anyone published this kind of mindless fanboy crap against the DS, I wouldn't think it deserves a its own Slashdot story either. Much less being quoted right in the summary as "news".
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The PSP /WILL NOT/ upgrade your PSP automatically. It will simply refuse to play the game until you upgrade.
If 90 percent of titles force an upgrade, then what is the difference? And if you buy a disc that turns out not to work unless you upgrade, you're out fifty bucks.
I think it's safe to assume that the Eu market will soon crack that firmware.
Unless the new PSP firmware was designed with formal verification. In that case, you'd need to find space inside the case to install a modchip.
Oh and *plonk*.
Last Word Fallacy?
You're both (to a degree) wrong. You don't need tow copies of the game to play multiplayer. You don't need two DSs to play multiplayer. Hotseat mode. It is pure genius. You only pass around the DS to each person. I've played it myself.
Oh, and as strategy games go, Advance Wars is easy to learn. It's simplistic nature made it possible to tell my friends the basics, and they figured out the rest. One friend even gave me an excellent run for my money. He was setting up covering fire, blocking his shorelines, attempting to retake the crucial, yet seemingly inert central island... I couldn't believe it since it was his first time laying eyes on the game. He bought a DS shortly after.
Number of DSs that I've seen:
4, not counting demo units (managed to get them all in one place)
Number of PSPs I've seen:
0. No demo unit. Nothing. Never even saw anyone with one while waiting for someone at the airport.
When the PSP came out I said if it overcame three problems, it'd be great. Price, battery life, and durability. It's still quite expensive for a portable device, it's battery life is still quite a bit shorter than an SP or DS, and it's still fragile.
You pay $130 for a DS, and if you get a game, such as Bomberman, Meteos, Advance Wars: Dual Strike, or the soon to be released Castlevania for $30-35 and you're set. You don't need to buy any accessories.
Now, you pay $250 for a PSP, it includes a small memory stick. The games are $40-50. If you want to watch movies or listen to music you gotta break out $50-100 for a memory stick large enough to fit them.
Make sure you don't discount third party addons (ie: Play-yan, which is endorsed by Nintendo) while not discounting the need for the memory stick.
Do I hate the PSP? No. Will I buy a PSP? No.
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tepples: where do you get lawful copies of movies...?
wheany: I get them from movies I have downloaded off a p2p network.
Which feature-length movies lawfully available on eDonkey or BitTorrent do you suggest for other PSP owners reading Slashdot? There's Night of the Living Dead, and there are several propag^W educational films produced by the U.S. Government, but what other public domain or otherwise Free feature films available on peer-to-peer are worth watching?
How did you earn the money to move your family to Finland in order to escape the copyright law of most developed countries? And what did you do before September when the PSP came out in Europe? Did you import a PSP in violation of Sony's patent, or does Finnish patent law allow for parallel imports from outside Europe? Or did you just get your PSP?
What I wanted to say there seems to be many "tech demo"-like games for the NDS so far and not that many games where the touchscreen really makes sense, with a few exceptions.
What I wanted to say there seems to be many "console"-like games for the PSP so far and not that many games where the portability really makes sense, with a few exceptions.
Remember that a handheld will likely be turned on for 10 minutes at a time, so there have to be games that don't give you NOW LOADING all the time and don't require 30 minutes of play between save points. Nintendo DS games have tended to be better on those issues than PSP games.
It's quite apparent that you like your DS and have no interest in knowing what the PSP can do.
It's quite apparent that you have more money than most people. If you want this to turn into a rational discussion, then please read my analysis of the pros and cons and respond publicly or privately (through my contact page).
It's quite apparent that you like your DS
I can't afford a DS nor a PSP. If I want to buy two PSPs (one for homebrew and one for commercial games), and CareerBuilder.com, Monster.com, and Dice.com list no entry-level IT job opportunities in Fort Wayne, Indiana, then what should I do?
I finally saw, and played a PSP. It's a nicely designed unit, but the softcase is mandatory. It looks great, and the controls are nice. If it were $150 w/game I'd probably get one. I'd have to see what games I'd want for it though. The current price point is just way too high for me though.
Current games I'm wanting:
Castlevania (DS)
Burnout Revenge (PS2)
Advance Wars:DS (DS)
Osu Tatakae Oendan (DS, Japan only)
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Oh no the parent post possibly shows the PSP in a non negative light, and shows why some sicko prefers the PSP - we can't have that can we? Quick let's mod it down!
I've noticed that about the other posts in under this story, it's like reading Fox News for Nerds (only left wing).
Remember: Nindendo good, Sony bad! Funny how times change.
Given Sony (in there capacity of a major music publisher specifically) are now 'the enemy' it would seem to be a collective case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I'm sure that the favouratisim will dissappear fairly quickly when the same people read about how Nindendo are using (shock, horror) DRM to protect the ROM files people are downloading via the Revolution. Then they will have to find a new 'good guy' to line up against the 'bad guys' of the X-Box, PlayStation and Revolution.
Ironically since making that post it's come to light that Nintendo do actually think that improving the GBA design is worth doing, as it seems they've gone back and improved the screen (albeit slightly) on new GBA SP units (though this may have to do with streamlining the manufacturing process, given they seem to be using very similar screens in the new GB Micro's).
I am heartend by this though, as it seems they have not yet abandoned the superior (IMHO) compact clamshell approach. Shame it doesn't have an integrated 3.5 mm audio jack yet. I really can't see the logic behind it not having one - even if they absolutely could not fit it inside the case and had to bolt it on, it need only stick out less than half a centimeter from the back or so.
I expect one day we will see a redesigned DS, with improved build quality, reduced size size. Hopefully it won't take them so long that it makes no difference to the ability of the unit to be competative (against a PSP lineup which will undoubtably gain strength).
One thing I'm seeing here in London is very few PSP's or DS's in public (even though every man and his dog seems to have an iPod and PDA in addition to the obligatory mobile). I'm still seeing a lot of GBA & GBA SP users on the tube and on trains. While the PSP is highly desirable it is too expensive for many (at least as an impulse purchase), and while the DS has a far more attractive price point, the bulky form factor just doesn't make it a desirable item.
There is no comparison. As soon as the saw the DS I knew it was a piece of crap. Besides the fact that most of the games are for children, as in 10 and under, the rest are rediculous. They're trying to be revolutionary. And they are failing. Badly. PSP is a mini PS2. The games look great, sound great, and play great. The best games for DS are really for GBA. Plus you can listen to music or watch movies on a PSP. And anyone who says why would I watch a movie on that little screen, remember, that little screen is 4.3 inches and looks great. If you saw it you'd know. As big as the DS is, the screen is still tiny.
Wow the DS has a touch screen. So what!!! It just makes bad games more complicated. And the "text message" stylus thing is weak. As close as you have to be to use it you could just speak up. They'll hear you. But the main thing is the games. If you can play Need for Speed on PSP and it looks and plays like the PS2 version, and this is a launch game, how can you compare.
PSP is number 1! The DS, like Gamecube is a joke. Nintendo let's us down again.