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ATI Launches Crossfire... Finally
Steve from Hexus writes "After a long wait, ATI's multi-GPU solution - CrossFire - is finally here. Hexus checks out Crossfire using an X850 Crossfire setup, which can be beaten in performance by a single GeForce 7800 GTX in some games. Too little too late, or will R520 based Crossfire prove more fruitful? Hexus also examines how Crossfire works, how easy it is to setup and what its limitations are with current hardware." Looks very interesting - I'd love to get one for review.
You guys trying to kill Hexus today or what?
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Crossfire.... remember that board game when we were kids?
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http://www.letsgoretro.com/classic_games_crossfir
Happy "Abuse Hexus Day" everyone!
the server was already down from the last story and you posted this? now thats 2 useless posts on the front page
Max res of 1600x1200 at 60hz...how...disapointing.
You can tell I'm an aries because of my ram.
Yeah, we'd all want to read that review; just like your "review" of the Monarch computer from a few days ago. I'm sure ATI would love one of those too.
Hexus is hardly a victim here if they submitted their own article.
Maybe it wasn't the best idea to link 2 Hexus articles in a matter of hours... I doubt anyone will read this article until tomorrow.
first post!?
Great! Now we'll only have to wait about two years for mediocre linux support.
I can't think of any other reason why they'd link two front page stories in one day to them.
That sound you hear is their servers melting under the stress.
III.IIVIVIXIIVIVIIIVVIIIIXVIIIXIIIIIIIIVIIIIVVIII
...for Jon Stewart. Folks say that man has been known to cease CrossFires that are just full of hot air. ATI had better deliver.
IGB: More fun than eating oatmeal!
Just who is this evil "Steve from Hexus" guy and why does he hate Hexus so much?
Coral Cache
Why, why, why, can't the editors change the links to use coralcache ? It's retarded that every story on slashdot concerns an article that no one can read. Is it really any wonder that people post without RTFA?
Since when did operating systems become a religion?
http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/crossfire/r ossfire_detail/1.htmle viewxxx/e id=730&cid=2e /index.x?pg=1/ index.html
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2005/09/26/ati_c
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/crossfireatir
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=ODE1
http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.cfm?articl
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=168
http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.php?id=404
http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q3/ati-crossfir
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050926
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1862962 ,00.asp
Multiprocessing general-purpose apps on a GPU?
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I just checked ati.com :)
Crossfire....you'll get caught up in the....Crossfire, crossfire, CROSSFIRE!
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Too bad for ATI, I will not get caught up the crossfire - I'll keep my SLI for now.
Yes, with the bigger displays getting cheaper by the day, a higher resolution than 1600x1200 at 60Hz would really be preferable. At least run it at 100Hz. 60Hz really strains your eyes.
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Those poor souls
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...is a link to the single page version:
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http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review_print
Dude, you post this ridiculous mess of a message every time a linux story is submitted.
Note to author:
Please get a grip man, and enter a neat place called reality.
Thank you.
NVidia currently has a couple SLI cards, which perform quite well. I recently picked up a 7800 GT, the low-end of the high-end cards, for around $350. The plan is to pick up a second one when the price drops to around $100. It's very reminiscent of my Voodoo 2 experience - the first cost $300 and the second cost $30.
Of course, Crossfire has the benefit of working with any other ATI card past a certain point. With NVidia's offerings, you have to match the card exactly (though supposedly the manufacturer doesn't matter). For my needs, it doesn't matter all that much, but it's something to consider.
Not that I'm a fanboy of either vendor. My last card was a Radeon 9800 Pro, which has worked great these last couple years. Now it seems that NVidia has the card that works best for my needs. Ain't competition grand?
I recently took the plunge and went back to ATI after hearing their drivers had much improved. After far too many VPU errors I ditched them again and went back to nVidia. Is it just me that has these problems? I wonder if the same driver issues will come up in the SLI cards.
It sounds like, even though Crossfire might not be the glorious thing everyone has been waiting for, that in the future it might prove better than SLI. I for one though, feel that it would be better to just wait for that one graphics card than to get two at the moment, considering how fast they become obsolete.
Anyways, from what I've read and been told, SLI requires special profiles to be taken advantage of in games, while crossfire simulates 1 graphics card and doesn't require anything but the default drivers to be taken advantage of.
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Tomorrow has been canceled due to lack of interest.
Page 2 :
"By definition, a single-link DVI connection only has enough bandwidth at its maximum clock rate to carry a 1600x1200 image at up to 60Hz, or a 1900x1200 image displayed at 54Hz. Therefore in terms of what the slave can send the master board for output via the compositing chip, it's limited to those resolutions."
Limited only if you read the original DVI spec. How does he think people run the HP and Apple 23" displays and the Dell 24" display over a single-link connection?
All card manufacturers, and 1920x1200 display manufacturers, allow you to run the channel with a reduced blanking interval, and so squeeze in the extra bandwidth needed for 1920x1200x60.
Bad start to the review - I'm not going to continue reading (even if I could after it has been slashdot'ed.
Your idea of reality is this magical place where no one ever disagrees with the Slashbot groupthink. Sieg Heil!
but where are the Linux drivers? Doesn't matter how awesome the card is if we have to wait two years for drivers.
Steve K, I've never heard of you or hexus today, but please stop spamming slashdot to push up your unique visitors for your ads. It's lame. If your articles are any good, rest assured someone else will submit them. kthxbye.
Who the hell is this jerk? Why can't he come up with something new or at least factually correct? I mean come the hell on, I don't understand the whole troll mentality to begin with, but surely it would be more fun to come up with something creative and new to piss people off with, wouldn't it? At least some of the GNAA posts have been kindof funny.
They actually do original quality articles, unlike Roland Piquepaille who just merely steals articles and re-summarizes them.
I feel that crossfire's biggest flaw is that there is a resolution limit at 1600x1200 @ 60Hz with crossfire enabld.
The customers who ATI developed this product for (the most rabid and devout hardware addicts with large budgets) most likely have either large CRTs (FW900) or high resolution widescreen LCD's (2405FPW, etc).
The failure to recognize that these customers would want to run games at their display's native resolution is unexcusable.
Seriously, why elso would someone drop $1000 to upgrade their graphics hardware if it wasn't so they could run the latest games at high resolution with full detail settings.
Looks very interesting - I'd love to get one for review.
Just one?
Two stories on here both from Hexus. Haha. What was the poster thinking?! He wanted hits but now the site is down!
Crossfire will never work because who would buy a slave card... If you're primary card fails, you're out 2 cards! Ain't that some stuff!
Oh, and I was an ATI man myself for years. Started before Radeon, now I have a 7800GT and I will never go back... unless they offer me some kind of deal, and buy SLI rights.
Who is that masked man?
Looks very interesting - I'd love to get one for review.
More like...
This article looks very interesting - I'd love to see the review.
Who cares about this stuff other than the tiny portion of the population that will ever use it?
The whole point of this SLI stuff is marketing. It convinces people to buy a more expensive video card than they otherwise would have so that they can fool themselves into thinking they'll get a huge performance boost a few years down the line when they add a second card on the cheap.
In reality, when the second card comes down in price, the SLI configuration will be outclassed on the same order of magnitude as the single card alone by the latest stuff, and you'll just end up having to buy a whole new expensive card, or living with slow graphics.
So unless you've got a boatload of cash and are going to buy two top of the line cards *right now*, it really doesn't matter if either of these manufacturers SLI technology is any good. It's just a marketing gimmick.
There aren't any games that require a 7800 SLI configuration and probably won't be for some time. If NVIDIA wasn't worried about releasing a card to wipe out ATI in performance, they could of released the 7800 series in another year or two and everyone would of been happy as pigs in shh.
If Radeon can offer their SLI combination at an affordable price, there's nothing stopping me from saving a few hundred dollers and purchasing a card that generally is in the same era that games are currently in.
Sometimes it's not all about speed, nor price, but value.
Valkyrie is about to die! Wizard needs food -- badly!
Um.. Why was the parent post modded down? He pointed out the fact that the article submitter was Hexus itself thus nullifying the sensationalist argument that Slashdot has some sort of evil plot to take down Hexus.
What is even more chilling is the fact the the moderator used the Overrated moderation which will not be metamoderated, thus allowing this kind of abuse to continue unchecked.
This quote is taken from an interview about how they had to "Start Longhorn over" in early 2004. It has thus does not relate to Windows Vista (Longhorn's new name) because it contains none of that code base which was dumped.
Crossfire is ATi's attempt at SLi, it's not "multi-gpu", since that means multiple GPU's on one board, which crossfire is not. :/
I've written this in other comments and my karma has been oblitterated for it, but the simple answer is:
They don't give a shit.
Combine delusions about what Slashdot has become, with deliberate ignorance of how it is affecting the users and linkees, and you get Malda & co's current "service level".
They don't give a shit about dupes, flamebaiting and inaccurate articlet titles, slashdotting or anything else.
Not everyone on /. is a gamer. Moreover, a 16MB simple card works great for most of us. I often wonder why so much discussion about what ATI and NVIDIA do?
True, there aren't games that _require_ such a configuration, but people hardly by video cards that fit the bare requirements. Typically, especially when dealing with the latest technology, people are looking to buy something that will play their games with all the bells and whistles.
So, here's a challenge for anyone with the fastest card in the universe. Try running Everquest 2 in Extreme Quality mode. Zip through the detailed configuration and make sure everything is cranked. I'm talking environment shadows, maxed bump mapping distance, maxed textures, maximum number of lights and specular lights; the works. Then go on a 24 person raid, or heck, just try to stand in the middle of Willow Wood without the game turning into a slide show.
If you manage to pull that off without crying, try 16xAF and 4xAA at 1600x1200. SLI might make it a little better, but I don't think we're going to see _smooth_ gameplay, in these conditions, at Extreme Quality with high resolution and AA/AF in this game for a year or two.
If I'm wrong don't tell me because I don't wanna know. I can't afford it.
Why won't ATI heed Jon Stewart's plea? Stop, stop, stop, stop hurting America!
" ATI Launches Crossfire... Finally "
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And NO Duke Nukem Forever Jokes???????
well allow them to commence in:
5,
4,
3,
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Oh yeah, this is a Duke Nukem post, that countdown never hits zero...
Crossfire by Kansas
Underneath the sky of blue, it's a time of choosing
Everybody's holding on, to what they're losing
But it all works out okay, if you give your life away
To the one who's holding fast, it's a promise that will last
You're caught in the crossfire
Of a greater love than man has ever known
Caught in a crossfire
And you've got to choose which way you're gonna go
Caught in a crossfire
In a world of darkness turn to the light
Time's disappearing, all that you're fearing
Dreamers awaken, chances are taken away
There isn't any in-between, there's no escaping
If you step across the line, it's illuminating
And the words are clear and true
And they all were meant for you
For you harvest what you sow, so where you gonna go
There's no pretending no other ending
All is forgiven, if you are living anew
Everybody faces it, now or later
You can't get around it, 'cause it's human nature
And deep within the hardest heart
There is something there that knows
There's a hunger life can never fill
'Til you face the one who rose
Time's disappearing, all that you're fearing
Dreamers awaken, chances are taken
There's no pretending no other ending
All is forgiven, if you are living anew, living anew
Why can't he come up with something new or at least factually correct?
I believe a lot of this crap is just copied verbatim from the anti-slash site: the theory is that if a post gets highly moderated *once*, posting it again might get a troll some karma, allowing them to post real troll crap safely later. I suspect the theory is bollocks.
This is where the serious fun begins.
1. Have story posted to slashdot
2. Have story posted to slashdot
3. Watch the webserver melt from being slashdotted.
4. ???
5. PROFIT!
Looks very interesting - I'd love to get one for review.
The point is to get TWO for review. =)
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Thank god for guys like you. Without you, my middle of the line video card would cost a lot more. On behalf of everyone who enjoys high performance $150 video cards, thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Is ATI support on this going to be as good as it was for buyers of the ATI Rage Fury, as in:
1. Hype multi-GPU product up in response to VooDoo SLI solution
2. Provide decent performance in "ringer" drivers for specific games for reviews
3. Provide crappy real-world performance
4. Refuse to improve drivers
5. Discontinue driver support
Also, how much support are they going to provide for X.org and other GPL/open source projects? Is it going to be at least as good as Radeon efforts? Oh really, equally as good? Thanks, I'll stick with NVidia. Screw you, ATI.
Oh come on! Nobody else watches The Daily Show?
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and were were told this was not a paper launch. we just got nforce 430 in however.
ignorance is bliss. googlefiberatx.com
lolz
RTJKJAS
you can't buy it, believe me, i've tried.
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> Hexus checks out Crossfire using an X850 Crossfire setup,
> Hexus also examines how Crossfire works, how easy it is to setup
Strange, I checked out crossfire: http://crossfire.real-time.com/ without any dedicated setup, and it was fine; the source package is autoconf based, and there are lots of binary packages available too.
That was awesome, thanks! I wish my mod points hadn't just expired.
I can't take it. I couldn't read the article, though I did try. My brain wants to skip ahead and my eyes won't let it and.. I just get one heck of a headache. Am I alone here? eesh..
This would have been great. But ATI failed to deliver. The people like me who game every once in a while would have loved this-- we could get great frame rates without top-end cards, and we would happily buy a medium-range card (sub-$100 but over $50) for good game performance. Oh, well.
ATI's software is "Offtopic"?
Morons. Mod him down for using an apostrophe in "sucks" instead.
i will first admit, i did not finish the article. I got to the second paragraph of the second page. already i knew it was no sort of review. He had already made up his mind about what he though. are not reviews supposed to be objective? I mean i am no pro but almost all the reviews i have had the chance to come across and read usually are(objective) and then at the end the author states his opinion. .... ughhh closemindedness
as for all you guys with the whole speed issue... fps.. not always important, not everone is a gamer. I will stand by ATI no matter what, they have served me well for the last 15 years (since my 286 was ati powered) as well as Matrox. As a practical person i will take quality over quantity any day. (plus they are both canadian companies)
at any rate i am begining to digress. no new to market technology is perfect, time is the factor that will tell what is will pass and what will fail peoples expectations.