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30Gigs Web Mail Launches Into Beta
gaanagaa writes "Neowin reports, that a new web mail service launched today is promising to bring users an email inbox of 30gb." The original intent of 30gigs.com was apparently to create an "'All in one' site for the webmaster and avid computer users. According to the sites 'about us' page, combining personal file storage, GD2 signatures and anonymous email all in one service, which would be free." In their brief review of the service a Neowin user also offers a word of caution with regards to their extremely short terms of service and privacy policy, calling them "shady".
Can someone give me an invite? Oh, and maybe First Post.
According to their website, they provide you with a "malibox"!
I can't fill up my 2 gigs on Gmail, nor my gig on Y! mail, why in the world would I need 30 gigs?
-Palal
I am not sure i like that. I think a playful method like a web based slot machine that lets you win an invitation (ajax based not to hammer the servers) would be nicer. Sigh.
---- MISSING MISCELLANEOUS DATA SEGMENT --- [sigdash] trolololol
1 terabyte, right here.
word of caution with regards to their extremely short terms of service and privacy policy, calling them "shady".
It should be a good thing to not have a long lawyerlike TOS. Terms of service is a way for companies to bypass the laws and shouldn't be needed at all. Period.
To anyone that thinks this is a serious contender in the Webmail wars, you're missing the point. I doubt very many people use their entire storage, or even come close. It's just used as a marketing point. The reason that any particular mail storage will beat the others is because of it's features. Gmail is popular (well, for starters because it's google and at the moment google is sexy among some geek circles) because of it's interface. Yahoo recently realised this and brought out a new interface of it's own (well, I say new. As in new for a webmail provider. From the articles it's just an Outlook Express clone, although it may be quite useful, I don't know. Like google, Yahoo has decided to not open it's new and improved webmail service to everyone, at least last i heard anyway).
Having said that, I doubt anyone is going to win the Webmail wars. All that will happen is they'll fight amongst each other to get more of a customer share by adding more features. Which is great for us. But 30gigs isn't going to be a contender anytime soon (if ever).
I remember when everyone used hotmail, back when it used to be usable. Then Microsoft screwed over its users with more and more intrusive ads, shitty interface and more. I'm just waiting for Microsofts response to Yahoo and Google's improved webmail interface.
With a box that big you could, if you developed a network, work out an eMail p2p system.
Simply upload the stuff you want to trade and forward it to people who need it. How do you know who would want the stuff you've uploaded? You'd need to develop a network where your node advertises what it has available, and autoforwards the file when someone requests it.
After the initial uploading there is really no more bandwidth costs for you as you can forward the files for free - the email providers' servers handles the load.
See, if you could use it as intentional FTP space or some such, there might be a use, but really, a 30 GB e-mail service is no differnt than a 250 MB e-mail service for 99.9% of people out there, including me. Most mail systems limit attachment size somewhere around the 5 MB mark, so it is not like you can either expect or send large files to use that space. Nice advertising gimic, but no real use.
The privacy policy doesn't state that they won't read your data or not give it out to other people. I certainly wouldn't store my tax return on this server.
If there would be the ability to have a "webdrive" like there's available for google, this might be interesting.
;)
Otherwise, to keep 30G of chainletters, spam, and the occasional email seems like a waste of space. In the line of google's history, they'd come out with 50G mailboxes in no time to stay current and on top.
I think we can keep recursing like this until someone returns 1
It's a cocktail. Mixture of Malibu and Oxtail soup.
Google mail does. Both ways too, unlike how yahoo only legs you get, not send.
"I can't fill up my 2 gigs on Gmail, nor my gig on Y! mail, why in the world would I need 30 gigs?"
If you belong to a lot of yahoo and google groups, and the groups you belong to like to send a lot of attachments (porno) you can fill up 2 gigs in a couple of days.
Not that I know from experience or anything...
I tried out this thing yesterday for a bit.
Here's the problems:
1) The domain name sucks. Who wants to be john@30gigs.com
2) The interface sucks. Hard. It's about as plain as it can get (it looks like they're just using Squirrelmail with their own stylesheet).
3) Their privacy policy is vague on what kind of information they share
4) There doesn't seem to be any reputable parent company behind it meaning it's chances of survival are questionable.
Overall rating: THUMBS DOWN.
Besides, size isn't everything!
- Do anyone know how much spam you get with this service?
- How does it handle attachements and their sizes?
- How fast does mail travel through their servers?
- How high uptime do their servers have?
- Customizable mail filters to manage mail?
- Multiple labels per mail, set by filters?
- POP3 forwarding/servers?
- Address books?
- Antivirus checks?
- Do they backup?
I mean, if you have 1 GB+, why in the world would you want more?
My over-a-year-old Gmail account use 16 MB now. 0.016 GB. It can fit about 150x more mail. Now, how many years is that?
To me, it's just not a valid selling argument anymore.
I'd like it if they supported IMAP... Not even POP3. Now Gmail is a better choice for me.
Seriously, I have used my Gmail account for at least a year, and it uses about 16 MB. Let's say I was a quite heavy mail user and used 40 MB per year... That's 0.04 GB, or 62 years to fill 2.5 GB.
When mail space pass about 1 GB, it's simply not an issue for me anymore. We'll probably use mail in a totally different way than now in 30 years anyway. Maybe we won't even use much e-mail then. It's eons in computer technology.
What matters more to me are the other features. Does this service provide free POP3 server access to use your mail client of choice in addition to the webmail? Uptime? Mail server latencies/delays? Attachement sizes? Mail filter customizability? You know... Important stuff!
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
That's all I can say. I'm sticking with gmail.
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Hey folks!
I'm planning to unveil my ONE Terabyte Free webmail service by the next couple of weeks and all people on slashdot will receive invitations ASAP.
PS: Anybody got old HDD?! wish to get rid of em? Don't hesitate to contact me
So email me, if your project is interesting to me I'll give you free web space on my super high-speed connected server. ;)
I'm working to make a free website interface but I want it to be worlds better than Geocities and similar sites so it'll be a while before it's ready. In the meantime I have space available for the asking.
gmail.com!mogmios
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
For just few months we have massive improvement of internet bandwidth and storage.
So it's a matter of time that a hardware will arrive that OS and applications will use that free Giga spaces. The good thing about it is your data and OS preference will be centralized. Weather you use internet cafe, pc in the office or school they are still there.
I was talking to a friend the other day and we were laughing about our old systems. I remember having a conversation where we said "What on earth would you do with a 1GHz processor?" or "I got this new 1GB HDD and it should last me a couple years at least!" 30GB email boxes seem rediculous now but don't discount them. It's hard to imagine now but someday in the not too far future we will be laughing about how we somehow managed to get by with our 500MB hotmail account or our tiny 2GB GMail accounts!
The domain 700petabytes.com is still available!
30gigs.com page is kind of a mess. Nice.
If you transfer that much data you should think about designing a small interface to handle it, to include shortcuts for the functions you use. After all, it has to be a bit cumbersome to work with that much data through a mail client.
So a long privacy policy is a good privacy policy? I think not. 30 pages of lawyerspeak is for the birds - all privacy policies (at least the ones you have to click through to obtain some service) should fit on a page or less, else they aren't generally read.
ok, someone invite me to this and I'll start work on an open source webdrive for it
-- Cheers!
If I don't have a TOS, I can more or less do with your data what I please. There are some limits, but not many. However if I have a TOS that says I won't hand it out, and then I do, you can sue me for it, and get an injunction to stop me from doing it. I can't go back on my word. At the very least I have to change the TOS, and let you know I've changed it first.
While I agree TOSes shouldn't be unnecessiarly long or hard to understand, a good company will have a TOS and part of it will be what they are giving to YOU. If you get a high grade Internet connection, like a T1 line, the TOS will come with a provision often called a Service Level Agreement. This will state the garenteed uptime of your line, and the reimbursment you'll recieve should that not be met.
Even TOSes that do nothing but state what you aren't allowed to do are good, because then you know where the line of demarcation lies. Hard to obey rules when you don't know what they are, and better you know what the rules are before you get in to something.
What I'm waiting for is someone that offers a PAID service, say around $5-10 a month.
Not only would this eliminate any and all advertising in the interface and your outgoing mail, but it would invariably come with guaranteed availability. Y! and Gmail make no promises whatsoever that the mail stored on their servers won't get wiped due to a failure, upgrade or whatever.
Such a service would also probably include features that you'll never see from the free ones, like telnet/SSH access (perhaps with a pine-like interface), access via POP, IMAP and maybe even certain groupware suites (GMail has POP, but the terms suggest they might do away with it in the future), ability to use your own domain, and high-security storage (encrypted disks and such).
> Besides, size isn't everything!
Ah, one of those again... luckily I've just set up my own dual RAID-5 mailserver for just my own mail, on 2.4TB disk.
Whaddayamean, compensating?
That's true, although Gmail rebadges all emails sent through its SMTP server to be from your_address@gmail.com, regardless of what the from field was originally.
Apart from that its an awesome service. One I use on a regular basis.
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sounds like a test ground for that audio file spider that deletes whatever it finds..
Hhhhmmmmmm. Malibox ...
Salty Coconut goodness.
"I used to have that really cool,funny sig
Why the hell is this rated flamebait? Does someone have an agenda against marcello or something? There's nothing here, inflammatory, trollish or even offtopic.
i would be eternally gratefull to anyone that can send a invite towards, gagansingh89@gmail.com
How long would it take to fill this inbox, even by uploading files? For me, 40KB/s. 30GB = 31457280B 218.4 hours nonstop Now maybe if I could leech someone else's connection...
how can these huge email services be economical? just by signing up they have to spend about $10 on you.
the type of ad support probably gets more and more intrusive as the services get larger and larger amounts of storage to give away. I wouldn't trust such a service, especially since 100 Megabytes (or less) suits me just fine, and that can be supported using normal ad revenue and not any of the personalized crap that gathers your info and throws ads at you based on your info.
I'd like to know where that £30/pm colo is...
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Is that for a whole rack?
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Is this thing on? Hello?
I wouldn't mind trying this thing out. Anyone have an extra invite code?
If you want an invite send me an email mailto:nthitz@gmail.com I still have like 8 left. The service is pretty stupid though.
From http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answe r=10350&topic=194
"POP access is free for all Gmail users and we have no plans to charge for it in the future."
What in that statement suggests that they might do away with it in the future? Or were you just spreading FUD based on something you read a long time ago?
Talk about being a masochist...
And alternative that is not free, but very full featured is RUNBOX (www.runbox.com). Runbox offers 10GB email, and 1GB of file storage. They also offer POP, IMAP, Webmail, WAP and Mobile access. They even provide SSL access to boot. Pretty great service for a small fee. You can also host your own domains email on their server, thus giving you the ability to keep your johndoe@mymail.xxx accounts if you desire. Check it out, I've been using it for several years and love it.
30 gigs? suso.org has been offering no quota email since 1997.
they DO collect your personal info(data)!
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- Do anyone know how much spam you get with this service?
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You don't get spam from them. The spam filter has been excellent for me so far - and I've used it for a long time.
- How does it handle attachements and their sizes?
An e-mail can be up to 10 MB once encoded, including the message body and attachments. http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answ
- How fast does mail travel through their servers?
Who cares? It probably doesn't take very long.
- How high uptime do their servers have?
24 hours a day most days, but sometimes there are a fwe hours of unreliable service.
- Customizable mail filters to manage mail?
Yes.
- Multiple labels per mail, set by filters?
Yes.
- POP3 forwarding/servers?
Yes.
- Address books?
A basic one.
- Antivirus checks?
No (but viruses probably enter the spam box).
- Do they backup?
Dunno. Don't really care much, either. Google are good at storing data.
Note their SMTP banner:
220-server.solostar.ca ESMTP Exim 4.52 #1 Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:23:15 -0400
It doesn't even have their domain name in there, which is a good sign that they don't have their own server but are using shared web hosting or bought a dedicated server from a host. I doubt there's more than one server available.
Then note the occasional MySQL errors trying to get to their home page.
Then look at solostar.ca, the domain in the SMTP greeting, and all the weird spammy links on their home page.
My guess is this is a site set up by one teenager somewhere and won't last more than a few weeks. It's impressive that he got it up on here, though, so maybe he has a future in future plans that are thought out better than this one...
I think the biggest issue here is that people are more and more inclined to want/expect an all-in-one, one-stop experience everywhere they go. Much like the Wal-Mart Supercenter, or the ever-expanding features of amazon.com, everything is slowly being tailored to provide all amenities a person could want, rather than having to go to multiple places for individual services.
What's a GD2 signature? A quick search only brings up material related to the GD graphics library, plus a handful of articles related to this webmail site.
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With our storage space in our email inboxes getting larger and larger, and as companies increase the maximum size of file attachments that can be sent thru email, I predict that eventually email will become just "another P2P" to a point. Sure, it'll still be used for sending emails, but now, instead of spam, we'll be seeing huge full-length movies dropping into our inbox, waiting for us to download.
I wonder how long it'll take the **AA to sink their claws into that one?
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
How much does it cost to get a blatant ad like this posted as a story? Because I'd sure love to post a few ad^H^Hstories myself.
I signed onto gmail about 6 months ago, about when they upped their quota to 2 GB. How fine!
Except since then, I've accumulated 172 MB of mail and the Gmail quota has gone up in steps to 2650 MB.
I am falling behind by nearly 100 MB a month. Help!
Fiat Lux.
"Google clandestinely ups its Gmail storage limit to 100 gigs."
Well, soon enough at least.
eric http://www.ericdfields.com/
What use is it, if it already has been slashdotted!!! First attempt to visit their homepage, sql error...
my mail is jorgedf [at] gmail.com thanks a lot
make no promises whatsoever that the mail stored on their servers won't get wiped due to a failure, upgrade or whatever.
Any company making this gaurantee is asking for a world of hurtin in the future. It's along the lines of doctors saying it's 99.9% effective...there is always that slim sliver of a chance that something might go wrong. Saying 100% and backing it up is a tough thing to do.
I mod down so you can mod up. Your welcome.
finally i have some free dump space to put my pr0n, i seriously just finished filling my 120gb hd and im using my ibook's 60gb hd for backup storage,... well cause what good is os x?
I sincerely doubt that they would offer 30 gig of email space, first off, no one would need that much space, and secondly why would anyone, but an amateur noob give away practcally a whole hard drive? I don't like the looks of this.
... how Johnny Come Lately and pointless is this? It's like the guy in Something about Mary and 7 minute abs. At the rate at which I recieve extra space on GMail, I'm likely to hit 30GB of storage on there before I ever use the 2GB they start you out with. I've been using GMail for almost a year now and I have barely used 200MB of storage and I now have 2.6GB of accumulated storage.
So if all things being rationally tilted for GMail, including trustworthyness and the fact that Google has a scary vibe of keeping their users best interests at heart, (until we see their real evil plans) in addition to using a free product provided by a company with billions of dollars in net worth and a strong supporter of open source, I say GMail is still really the only way to go, unless you are too attached to hotmail or yahoo to switch.
Can someone send me an invite to persyus[AT]gmail[DOT]com?? Thanks in advance!!!
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I will just tell my clients that my email provider was having trouble connecting to MySQL and I apologize that I couldnt get back to them
is longevity.
I never heard of 30gigs.com, they have no track record with me, and therefore I don't intend on trusting them with 30 gigs of my email and watching them become another dot com flameout.
Google, OTOH, is not going anywhere anytime soon. They are big enough that if they start to go under, they'll be bought out by one of the other major players (Microsoft, Apple, Yahoo, etc), so even then I don't foresee Gmail disappearing in the next ten years.
Way to copy and paste my post from yesterday. Nothing quite like stealing other people's posts and claiming them as your own.
"I filter at +6, and have yet to miss out on an important comment." (#822545)
I tried out this thing yesterday for a bit.
Here's the problems:
1) The domain name sucks. Who wants to be john@30gigs.com
2) The interface sucks. Hard. It's about as plain as it can get (it looks like they're just using Squirrelmail with their own stylesheet).
3) Their privacy policy is vague on what kind of information they share
4) There doesn't seem to be any reputable parent company behind it meaning it's chances of survival are questionable.
Overall rating: THUMBS DOWN.
(I posted this review to Neowin yesterday BTW).
"I filter at +6, and have yet to miss out on an important comment." (#822545)
Two possible cases where you wouldn't want someone to read the mail with the encrypted message: A) You're not using a block cipher, so it's possible to tell how long the message is, and B) you don't want anyone to know that you're corresponding with the recipient of your message.
In example A, say someone responds to a message in a non-block-cipher way. The message sent first says, "Should we attack at dawn?" The message you send back has enough information for two characters. Your enemy knows to not expect an attack at dawn.
Also, if you're an executive of a publicly traded company, and someone sees you sending lots of email with another executive of a direct competitor. People looking at this traffic can see that something big is happening, possibly a buyout of one company by the other, so they load up on stock. This isn't something you want to happen, lest the SEC get wind of it.
I don't know why I responded like this to an AC... you'll probably never read it.
You should check out www.fastmail.fm. They have a wide variety of domains to choose from. Or if you would prefer to host your own domain you simply point your domain's MX records to their servers(I use three of their smtp servers for redudancy two are in the US and one is in europe). You then simply use their web interface to bind the domain to your account(so they know how to relay the mail to). I've been using it for several years and they have an incredible uptime record. If they ever do go down they send me an email a week in advance saying something along the lines of being down for several minutes to do maintenance. I pay $40 a year for email and get:
-No Advertisements
-2 gigs of space
-imap and pop
-virus scanning and spam filtering(they might be using clamAv and SpamAssasin)
-very customizable rules interface(You can use their interface or write your own sieve scripts.)
-Email forwarding(even via SMS)
-File Storage(Accessible via web interface or webdav)
-Subdomain(Great for wildcarding---fast and easy to create throw away email addresses)
-Customizable CSS stylesheets to customize the look and feel of your mailbox to your own needs. They have a whole bunch of prebuilt ones you can choose from as well. Personally I like Slipstream Pro
-Multiple Personalities(Useful for managing multiple email addresses with one mailbox. EXAMPLE: I receive all my ebay email at ebay@my.domain.com. This email is filtered into a folder called ebay. I assign an ebay personality to that folder. When I browse my ebay folder and reply the email goes out as from ebay@my.domain.com not from my default account.)
-You can download all your attachments in an email as a compressed file instead of individually downloading all of them.
-You can transfer attachments to your file storage for easy access
-You can download all your emails as a compressed file for personal archiving(I tested this and was able to download my entire inbox, 160mb worth of stuff, and import it into my mail client on my computer)
-Phishing Protection: Disable links in emails that point appear to point to sites inconsistent with the link text. This can be turned on or off.
-WebBug Protection: Disables display of images from the web in html emails, to prevent spammers tracking whether you open spam; also disables forms. This can be turned on or off.
The list goes on and on...People laugh at me for paying for email....I don't mind paying for a service that actually does what I want it to do. Check it out. They have a guest account which is free. It doesn't have much storage space and a few of the advanced features are disabled but it will still give you a taste of what it offers.
Darren
You know, I heard this rumour the other day...careful who you repeat it to, I wouldn't want to get anybody in trouble...but I heard...now you must keep this under your hat...that there's this magical thing called...listen closely now...an attachment. Apparently it lets you send, like, files and stuff. Over email. But shhhhh. I think it's in beta.
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Competing on space is useless. I use google's gmail not because of those 2.x GB they give me, I use them because I like their ajax interface, I like the fact that there's no forced ads and so on. Speaking of space, I have around 200 MB filled (and still, I suppose I'm ahead of ~70% other gmail users by the space usage). It's overselling. Impossible for everyone to fill their 2 GB, same applies to this 30 GB mailbox.
DevBlogs
I have all my (non-spam) email since 1995, and I get alot of email, including several lists.
It's 252MB currently.
30GB is a advertising stunt.
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In their brief review of the service a Neowin user also offers a word of caution with regards to their extremely short terms of service and privacy policy, calling them "shady".
So let me get this straight.. you're saying I shouldn't entrust an unknown startup to store all my important files and personal information? I personally went to the website, and after I gave my credit card informatin to the talking moose in a popup, it seemed perfectly fine to me. I went ahead and cut-and-paste My Documents to MyFiles on the website, and now I have all this free hard drive space to download Elf Bowling! Oooo, this other popup wants to install MyWebSearch.exe any time I put my mouse over it. How many times do I have to click OK before it goes away?!?!
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
Or 1000 GB at Mailnation (as seen on digg.com)
http://www.mailnation.net/
Do you really people can't see through posting A/C twice to the same post making the same point? Whoever you are, start paying attention to things other than slashdot, then start criticising other people on their political leanings. Idiot.
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you're too late !!
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they may have the storage capacity, but can they handle a dotting? hehehehe.